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Does "berth" mean any berth or loading berth?

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:27:31 +0000

Vessel has berthed to layby on arrival (terminal request, since loadberth is busy and vessel is at risk to stuck in ice at anchorage). Owners are calculating laytime upon berthing at layby and do not deduct shifting from layby to loadberth. Is that correct? We assume that "berth" in clause 6 means loadberth. So laytime to start 6 hours after NOR or upon all fast to loadberth? or any berth?

Edited: CHTR'S ACCOUNT OR OWNER'S ACCOUNT

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:56:48 +0000

The vessel was shifting at the port , hence this shifting bunker cost will be owner's account or charterer's account??

It didn't say anything at CP.

Answered: CIFFO our discharge berth is the second one should the master tender nor at second discharge berth

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:12:53 +0000

My humble opinion is opposite. Your first NOR is valid as vsl arrived at 7 pm. But I would like to hear other opinions. I know that theoretically you're right, but I had almost similar situation and had to accept their counting!

Commented: Commencement of laytime when vessel tender's NOR from previous berth working for other charterer

Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:34:29 +0000

So, it means that the Captain Diary is valid doc what vsl did in 5 h 50 min. Or not?

Edited: What exactly means "Teroristic Act" and who is able to legally confirm it?

Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:54:09 +0000

Regarding new geopolitics situation in the world, especially in chartering, if some fool attack some vsl with havy weapon it is probably not Teroristic Act, but who is in charge to define some attack as Teroristic Act from the legal point of view? This is very important also from the insurance point of view. Let's imagine such situation in international waters without any state jurisdiction! Maritime laws did not define such situation well. Many insurance companies under Force Majeure recognise only if some state's authorities proclaims Force Majeure. Lot of idiots, heavy armed, walk, fly or travel with vsl and could do some stupid thing in any given time with or without reason - although there cannot exists reason for attacking even one person! This question is pure technical issue. How would Lloyd react if they asses that there were no terrorism? But vsl is damaged, lives are lost or endengareous.

Commented: the question of the river mouth NOR tender

Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:29:06 +0000

This has been an issue only in the near past as CJK was the place to tender NOR and shoud still be.
Logically the right place to tender is at the end of the sea voyage where the master can say "here I am - what do I do?"
This is the place where vessels sea log ends and thereafter it is harbour steaming.
NOR does not have to be accepted as the vessel tenders its own readiness and only if it is not ready can a NOR be rejected.
Tankers tender from the forst avaiable anchorage where vessels wait and the NOR for Antwerp in Belgium is tendered from Flushing, Holland.
Not to be inside a port authority does not matter.
One of the problems (all problems in tankers originates from dry vcargo decisions which are more strict han tanker forms) is the decisiosn of the Agagemnon, a vessel loading out of Baton Rouge which has its own Port Authority.
The Gencon charter party allows laytime to count for time awaiting berth even though NOR cannot be given.
Vessels calling Baton Rouge gets turn to berth on arrival South West Pass and from turn given until the berth is free time is spent waiting for the berth to be available, but in litigation the decision of Johannah Oldendoerf rules i.e. the vessel must be inside the commercial limits of the port, in all reaspects ready and at charterers immediate disposal.
The vessel was a grain vessel and grain has leprous terms.
The owners must arrange hold inspection and (only) when passed can the vessel tender NOR and get turn to berth when NOR is presented week-days in office hours accompanied by the Clean Certificate.
In all other trades vessels get turn to berth by mere arrival and is then in exactly the same position as a grain vessel with clean certificate. unreasonably punished.
Unfortunately, the legal profession are unable or unwilling to appreciate the difference in philosophy between different trades where different terms in parcatice is solved by different freight rates.

A large number of tanker fixtures are on Worldscale terms and WS only have one singe aim i.e. to secure owners the same daily income on the same WS-rate regardless of employment.

Tankers are unreasonably punished when WS allows only 72 hours total for loading and discharging with 12 extra hours in each port to allow for notice time, shifting etc.
Time is essense and all time must count against charterers except time loss which would also qualify for off hire.
If this is not accepted one can throw away the WS-book.

Answered: Laytime counting for 2nd subsequent terminal

Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:35:13 +0000

Strictly speaking a charterer have no right to use 2 berths which is in conflict with 1 SB/SP which again is in conflict with charterers right to shift.

In any case, time runs uninterrupted until hoses disconnectted at second berth.

The owner/master only give one NOR i.e. on arrival while a second NOR for the second berth is given on behalf of charterer to his secons supplier/receiver which has no influence for owners

Answered: What is ASBA stands for?

Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:55:51 +0000

Assosiation of ShipBroakers and Agents

ASBATANKVOY

Kind regards, Shipping & Logistics student

Vestfold University College

lay time calculations

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:59:49 +0000

will the lay time counted on gross total cargo of more than two charterer cargoes discharged at same port to same consignee ?

Answered: Part II Clause 6 : "reason over which Charterer has no control"

Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:50:59 +0000

Normally that refers to major weather disasters or similar.

Answered: Why is Asbatankvoy so outdated?

Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:50:04 +0000

The asbatankvoy C/P is a framework from which to work. Many of the clauses are ammended according to the needs of the parties involved.

A new version would require consensus, and most people feel confortable working with the existing document and simply making the ammendments they need.

Answered: what is the different between old edition and new edition asbatankvoy?

Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:02:08 +0000

The original Asbatankvoy is updated and modified to adapt to different markets. It is normal for instance to use:

C/P: Asbatankvoy Charter Party with logical amendments incl Gasvoy cancelling clause and warrisk if any.

In the case of gas gargoes, for instance.

Answered: should Nor be tendered at disport or EOSP?

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:57:06 +0000

Clause 6 in Part II says:

6 NOTICE OF READINESS

Upon arrival at customary anchorage at each port of loading or discharge, the Master or his agent shall give the Charterer or his agent notice by letter, telegraph, wireless or telephone that the Vessel is ready to load or discharge cargo, berth or no berth, ...

So NOR should be tender upon arriving as such anchorage.

Answered: Any learning resources/courses for developing charterer negotiation, sales and option-trading skills?

Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:41:29 +0000

One good way is asking questions and participating in this website.

The problem with Shipping is that much of the training has to be done on the job. And this site is probably the closest you can get to that :D

Answered: Laytime reckoning

Mon, 22 Aug 2011 07:29:12 +0000

No. The Charterer has to provide a safe and available berth.

If there is another ship, time starts counting.

Answered: How the authenticity/originality of the CP can check?

Mon, 22 Aug 2011 06:45:41 +0000

There are companies that sell the original Asbatankvoy C/P in the famous green color.

But at the end of the day, the asbatankvoy C/P, like the other Charter Parties, it is simply a framework for a contract among the parties. Can and should be ammended to suit the parties.

You can always check the full text in our pages, in the full text of the Asbatankvopy Chater Party. But be aware that a non-modified C/P is not necessarily the best for you.

Commented: Proof of freight payment

Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:23:39 +0000

It's your money .... :)

Answer edited: Where can I find the full text of the Asbatankvoy Charter Party ?

Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:49:18 +0000

You can find the full version in our page of the Asbatankvoy Charter Party