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		Comment on The Kind of Christian I Was by Lilia		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-christian/#comment-33832</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lilia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-christian/#comment-33806&quot;&gt;Jenn Ostrander&lt;/a&gt;.

I had much the same experience, Jenn. I didn&#039;t grow up particularly religiously and really do believe that all faiths have places of beauty within them, but during those times when I have tried to be part of Christian church, I always felt like I wasn&#039;t feeling what everyone else felt either. The only real moments of connection I had were in moments where there was music, but even then it was a connection to creation and not necessarily the God they were teaching about. The place where I always have intuitively sought refuge and connection, even as a young person, has been in nature. The first time I really felt that same connection in ritual (and church services ARE a form of ritual) was in attending a Beltaine ritual at a friend&#039;s house. I think that was the beginning for me of trying to find my place within Paganism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-christian/#comment-33806">Jenn Ostrander</a>.</p>
<p>I had much the same experience, Jenn. I didn&#8217;t grow up particularly religiously and really do believe that all faiths have places of beauty within them, but during those times when I have tried to be part of Christian church, I always felt like I wasn&#8217;t feeling what everyone else felt either. The only real moments of connection I had were in moments where there was music, but even then it was a connection to creation and not necessarily the God they were teaching about. The place where I always have intuitively sought refuge and connection, even as a young person, has been in nature. The first time I really felt that same connection in ritual (and church services ARE a form of ritual) was in attending a Beltaine ritual at a friend&#8217;s house. I think that was the beginning for me of trying to find my place within Paganism.</p>
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		Comment on Overwhelmed with Thoughts of Jesus by Jason		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/thoughts-of-jesus/#comment-33831</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oddly enough, I have also felt pulled back into my prior Christian beliefs within the last few weeks.  I&#039;m not really sure what it is, but I think some of it has to do with trying to simplify my beliefs.  One of the things that drove me away was the legalism and never feeling good enough, but I&#039;m seeing a different side of it all now from the outside.  As long as I focus on the force of Love (something I always felt while praying my rosary and meditating upon the mysteries of Jesus) then maybe there is more to it. One of the few places I feel at peace is Mass and maybe that&#039;s because I belong there.  I guess what I have felt is a gradual acceptance of a unitarian approach where everyone is called to follow the Divine, whatever it is, based on their own means, circumstances and destination on the spiritual spectrum.  If the way I most fully experience the Divine is through Christ and his Church, then maybe I should just accept it and try to enjoy the Mystery...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, I have also felt pulled back into my prior Christian beliefs within the last few weeks.  I&#8217;m not really sure what it is, but I think some of it has to do with trying to simplify my beliefs.  One of the things that drove me away was the legalism and never feeling good enough, but I&#8217;m seeing a different side of it all now from the outside.  As long as I focus on the force of Love (something I always felt while praying my rosary and meditating upon the mysteries of Jesus) then maybe there is more to it. One of the few places I feel at peace is Mass and maybe that&#8217;s because I belong there.  I guess what I have felt is a gradual acceptance of a unitarian approach where everyone is called to follow the Divine, whatever it is, based on their own means, circumstances and destination on the spiritual spectrum.  If the way I most fully experience the Divine is through Christ and his Church, then maybe I should just accept it and try to enjoy the Mystery&#8230;</p>
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		Comment on Overwhelmed with Thoughts of Jesus by Leona Oigheag		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/thoughts-of-jesus/#comment-33830</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leona Oigheag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It may be that you&#039;re being called back to the Church, but I don&#039;t see that as moving away from your path.  In the last year that I have known you, I have seen you learn and understand more about individuals&#039; relationship with religion.  

I was raised Roman Catholic, and left the Church when I was 15.  I returned for a while when I was in college because I needed that feeling of belonging again.  Earlier this year I spent some time with Momma Starr, a Christian root worker, and she helped me to realize that some Christians can get along just fine with pagans ... and have some amazing conversations that accept that all gods are accepted, if not worshiped.  

Maybe you are being called to be a Christian again, maybe not.  I faced that decision a few months ago and decided that I was a pagan ... but your choice may be different.

You are who you are, and being an amazing person is independent of religion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be that you&#8217;re being called back to the Church, but I don&#8217;t see that as moving away from your path.  In the last year that I have known you, I have seen you learn and understand more about individuals&#8217; relationship with religion.  </p>
<p>I was raised Roman Catholic, and left the Church when I was 15.  I returned for a while when I was in college because I needed that feeling of belonging again.  Earlier this year I spent some time with Momma Starr, a Christian root worker, and she helped me to realize that some Christians can get along just fine with pagans &#8230; and have some amazing conversations that accept that all gods are accepted, if not worshiped.  </p>
<p>Maybe you are being called to be a Christian again, maybe not.  I faced that decision a few months ago and decided that I was a pagan &#8230; but your choice may be different.</p>
<p>You are who you are, and being an amazing person is independent of religion.</p>
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		Comment on The Kind of Pagan I Am by Griffin		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-pagan/#comment-33829</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Griffin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If any religion is for the common person, it should be paganism. All this academic elitism seems foolish, if you think about it. I believe it&#039;s inherited thorough a Christian influence - a religion must have labels, guidelines, hierarchy...foolishness. Even reconstructionists - they&#039;re reconstructing from people that were originally just taking the lead from nature.

Sadly it&#039;s here to stay, because people perceiving themselves as in authority (or rather, confusing bureaucratic authority with religious authority) won&#039;t put their energy into truly creating a spirituality of peers. Those of us that try fight the tide, and eventually often walk away.

Measure a person by words and  actions and life lived. Yes, it&#039;s harder than having a (made up) hierarchy tell you who to listen to, but it&#039;s real.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any religion is for the common person, it should be paganism. All this academic elitism seems foolish, if you think about it. I believe it&#8217;s inherited thorough a Christian influence &#8211; a religion must have labels, guidelines, hierarchy&#8230;foolishness. Even reconstructionists &#8211; they&#8217;re reconstructing from people that were originally just taking the lead from nature.</p>
<p>Sadly it&#8217;s here to stay, because people perceiving themselves as in authority (or rather, confusing bureaucratic authority with religious authority) won&#8217;t put their energy into truly creating a spirituality of peers. Those of us that try fight the tide, and eventually often walk away.</p>
<p>Measure a person by words and  actions and life lived. Yes, it&#8217;s harder than having a (made up) hierarchy tell you who to listen to, but it&#8217;s real.</p>
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		Comment on The Kind of Pagan I Am by Benn MacSteven		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-pagan/#comment-33828</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benn MacSteven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I tend to think that the word &quot;religion&quot; gets a bad rap, I like the old Latin meaning &quot;reverence for God or the gods, careful pondering of divine things, piety&quot;, with a heavy emphasis on the &quot;careful pondering&quot; part.  Over time I have come to really cherish my uncertainty and my paradox, as they help me connect with others who feel exactly the same.  I have also found that when I loose touch with my paradox and uncertainty I end up knocked of my high horse by the gods who watch over and love me!

Your point about ethics being a rare subject among pagans is spot on.  I find it hardly surprising that this reluctance to commit to an ethical truth is one of the criticisms leveled at pagans most often by Christians.  In fact I had a Christian tell me once, &quot;Yours is the religion of anything goes, and I&#039;m not into that.&quot;  I enjoy talking and pondering ethics and morality as I think they are a central element to my life as Druid.  And I, of course, feel that *my* ethics are spot on!  ;-)  I try to approach ethical dilemmas with strength and compassion for those who disagree with me; not always an easy task.  But I *always* learn something.

From my perspective pagans shy away from ethics precisely because they have been judged harshly by others in the past.  I understand this.  But it is a step to far (obviously) to then decide that all actions are equal in the spirit of non-judgement.  Perhaps some more discussion on ethics would be stimulating to us, your loyal readers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to think that the word &#8220;religion&#8221; gets a bad rap, I like the old Latin meaning &#8220;reverence for God or the gods, careful pondering of divine things, piety&#8221;, with a heavy emphasis on the &#8220;careful pondering&#8221; part.  Over time I have come to really cherish my uncertainty and my paradox, as they help me connect with others who feel exactly the same.  I have also found that when I loose touch with my paradox and uncertainty I end up knocked of my high horse by the gods who watch over and love me!</p>
<p>Your point about ethics being a rare subject among pagans is spot on.  I find it hardly surprising that this reluctance to commit to an ethical truth is one of the criticisms leveled at pagans most often by Christians.  In fact I had a Christian tell me once, &#8220;Yours is the religion of anything goes, and I&#8217;m not into that.&#8221;  I enjoy talking and pondering ethics and morality as I think they are a central element to my life as Druid.  And I, of course, feel that *my* ethics are spot on!  😉  I try to approach ethical dilemmas with strength and compassion for those who disagree with me; not always an easy task.  But I *always* learn something.</p>
<p>From my perspective pagans shy away from ethics precisely because they have been judged harshly by others in the past.  I understand this.  But it is a step to far (obviously) to then decide that all actions are equal in the spirit of non-judgement.  Perhaps some more discussion on ethics would be stimulating to us, your loyal readers?</p>
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		Comment on The Kind of Pagan I Am by C.A. Young		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-pagan/#comment-33827</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C.A. Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know that you&#039;ve stepped away from ADF, but that idea that a paganism is best when it &quot;pushes back&quot; is part of why I ended up there.  That balance of individuality with the concept of virtue ethics and the emphasis on scholarship is sort of a good blend of work and comfort for me.

I&#039;m starting to think that the work of finding the right place to experience that push-pull may be an important part of the religious process for folks.

(And hey, I still have a couple of Bibles too.  And a Qur&#039;an.  And other stuff.  High five.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that you&#8217;ve stepped away from ADF, but that idea that a paganism is best when it &#8220;pushes back&#8221; is part of why I ended up there.  That balance of individuality with the concept of virtue ethics and the emphasis on scholarship is sort of a good blend of work and comfort for me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to think that the work of finding the right place to experience that push-pull may be an important part of the religious process for folks.</p>
<p>(And hey, I still have a couple of Bibles too.  And a Qur&#8217;an.  And other stuff.  High five.)</p>
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		Comment on The Kind of Pagan I Am by Aine O'Brien		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-pagan/#comment-33826</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aine O'Brien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent post, and I can relate to almost everything you wrote.  I have pondered this a lot over the years and the only thing I know (right now) is that there are many truths, not just one - or perhaps there is a great truth taught in many different ways to many different people.  



I think that spiritual people are being guided, even if they don&#039;t recognize the voice of the spirits and believe in things like coincidence and chance.  Perhaps when they feel the knowing, they believe they must have read about it in a book once.  That&#039;s how subtle the guidance is at first and only grows stronger and clearer with our acceptance and belief.  I am now at the &quot;there are no coincidences&quot; phase, and know without a doubt that I am guided towards people, places and situations. My magical work is completed channeled.  And my spiritual path has been a journey well planned, including all the stops along the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, and I can relate to almost everything you wrote.  I have pondered this a lot over the years and the only thing I know (right now) is that there are many truths, not just one &#8211; or perhaps there is a great truth taught in many different ways to many different people.  </p>
<p>I think that spiritual people are being guided, even if they don&#8217;t recognize the voice of the spirits and believe in things like coincidence and chance.  Perhaps when they feel the knowing, they believe they must have read about it in a book once.  That&#8217;s how subtle the guidance is at first and only grows stronger and clearer with our acceptance and belief.  I am now at the &#8220;there are no coincidences&#8221; phase, and know without a doubt that I am guided towards people, places and situations. My magical work is completed channeled.  And my spiritual path has been a journey well planned, including all the stops along the way.</p>
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		Comment on Overwhelmed with Thoughts of Jesus by Dee		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/thoughts-of-jesus/#comment-33825</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I could have written what you posted. I like to say I am a pagan who is very fond of Jesus, but it&#039;s closer to the truth to say that there are pieces and parts and beliefs and practices of all the major religions that ring true to me. And plenty of those things that don&#039;t. I think my aversion to organized religion is that in order to participate with other people, I think I have to buy-in to the whole thing. The whole thing never feels right to me, so now I&#039;m trying to learn how to go with my intuitive gut-feelings and not worry about the rest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have written what you posted. I like to say I am a pagan who is very fond of Jesus, but it&#8217;s closer to the truth to say that there are pieces and parts and beliefs and practices of all the major religions that ring true to me. And plenty of those things that don&#8217;t. I think my aversion to organized religion is that in order to participate with other people, I think I have to buy-in to the whole thing. The whole thing never feels right to me, so now I&#8217;m trying to learn how to go with my intuitive gut-feelings and not worry about the rest.</p>
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		Comment on The Kind of Pagan I Am by Celestine Angel		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-pagan/#comment-33824</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Celestine Angel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You sound like the kind of Pagan I would enjoy having a conversation with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound like the kind of Pagan I would enjoy having a conversation with.</p>
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		Comment on The Kind of Pagan I Am by Nick Ritter		</title>
		<link>https://www.bishopinthegrove.com/kind-of-pagan/#comment-33823</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Ritter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think that polytheist reconstructionists are doing religion.&quot;


Bless you, sir.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that polytheist reconstructionists are doing religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bless you, sir.</p>
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