<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:blogger='http://schemas.google.com/blogger/2008' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005" xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883</id><updated>2025-05-30T10:26:10.472-04:00</updated><category term="DUI"/><category term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category term="AA"/><category term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category term="DWI"/><category term="Fundamentalism"/><category term="12 Step"/><category term="Atheism"/><category term="IDIP"/><category term="New Hampshire"/><category term="God"/><category term="WIDIP"/><category term="Amethyst House"/><category term="Establishment Clause"/><category term="Christian"/><category term="Religion"/><category term="rip off"/><category term="scam"/><category term="Cult"/><category term="Freedom of Religion"/><category term="LADC"/><category term="Effectivenss of Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category term="Serenity Place"/><category term="drunk driving"/><category term="red flag hearing"/><category term="Criminal Law"/><category term="REAP"/><category term="RIASI"/><category term="Arrest"/><category term="BAC"/><category term="DRI-II"/><category term="Epping"/><category term="First Amendment"/><category term="MADD"/><category term="MOP"/><category term="Phase II"/><category term="assessment"/><category term="Bullshit"/><category term="Debra Oberlin"/><category term="Supreme Court"/><category term="The Rapture"/><category term="Tri-County Community Action Program"/><category term="Wreckless Driving"/><category term="court"/><category term="hypocrite"/><category term="ineffective"/><category term="intake"/><category term="recovery"/><category term="rehab"/><category term="stupidity"/><category term="After the Rapture Pet Care"/><category term="Aftercare"/><category term="Board of Directors"/><category term="CADC"/><category term="CAIP"/><category term="Charlie Sheen"/><category term="Civil Rights"/><category term="Civil Rights violation attorney wanted new hampshire"/><category term="Disproportionate"/><category term="Driving"/><category term="Efficacy"/><category term="Eternal Earth-Bound Pets"/><category term="Greed"/><category term="Harold Camping"/><category term="Jack Trimpey"/><category term="Judgment Day"/><category term="LSD"/><category term="Money"/><category term="Newdow"/><category term="Newt Gingrich"/><category term="Nonprofit"/><category term="Nut Jobs"/><category term="PSA"/><category term="Penn and Teller"/><category term="Pets"/><category term="Pledge of Allegiance"/><category term="Procedure"/><category term="Punishment"/><category term="Science"/><category term="Southeastern New Hampshire"/><category term="Stuart Smalley"/><category term="Studies"/><category term="Terry stop"/><category term="Texting"/><category term="Theories of Punishment"/><category term="Under God"/><category term="appeal"/><category term="copy of"/><category term="example"/><category term="interview"/><category term="neoprohibition"/><category term="probable cause"/><category term="prohibition"/><category term="reasonable suspicion"/><category term="reddit"/><category term="sample"/><category term="talking hotdog"/><category term="teens"/><title type='text'>Forced Worship</title><subtitle type='html'>“Forced worship stinks in&#xa;God’s nostrils” Roger Williams&#xa;Providence 22 June 1670&#xa;&#xa;This blog describes how corporations like Amethyst Foundation, Inc., in New Hampshire, are arbitrarily revoking driving privileges, mandating participation in religious AA meetings, AA &quot;sponsorship&quot;, and AA counseling, and overstepping legal authority with little or no accountability.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default?redirect=false'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25&amp;redirect=false'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>55</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-7463969809280798664</id><published>2013-10-31T13:42:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-10-31T13:43:09.042-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Amethyst House is still requiring AA attendance in violation of State and Federal Law</title><content type='html'>A reader posted the recent comment:&lt;br /&gt;
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Anonymous   has left a new comment on your post &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/06/apparently-amethyst-house-sucks.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Amethyst Foundation, Inc.:  Actual Consumer Review...&lt;/a&gt;&quot;:
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I&#39;ve been dealing with this for 9 months now and this is my first DUI 
with no history of alcohol or other abuse. Initially I went to my 
screening and was told that it&#39;s not pre determined that I&#39;ll need an 
evaluation which costs $200. So I filled out the first form. The second 
form was all about my financal status and standing. After filling that 
out the woman took it out back to enter the info and gave me the third 
form. When she came back out she said I would be required to do an 
evaluation. I kept my mouth shut, but seriously? I haven&#39;t even done the
 screening questionaire, only the general info and financial paperwork. A
 week later I did my evaluation and was given 9 weeks of after care and 6
 self help sessions to go to AA. I completed the weekend course, my 9 
after care sessions, my 6 AA meetings and I&#39;m still waiting on Amethyst 
to send the paperwork to the DMV. I&#39;ve called a few times and they Ssay 
that I&#39;ve got to wait 3 more months, each time I call they say this. The
 Court initialaly said 9 month loss of license with eligibility to get 
it back after 90 days and the completion of the program. Now I have 
another hearing with the dept of safety to see if I need a breathalizer 
installed in my vehicle when I get my license back because amethyst 
turned my paperwork over to them. This is my first DUI!!!! and I have a 
clean record. &lt;br /&gt;
This foundation is awful to deal with and whatever you
 do don&#39;t get upset with them or you will end up with anger management 
classes as well. Just ask the 2 guys in my weekend course. &lt;br /&gt;
Oh and AA??? Absolutely a religious organization. I went to 6 meetings. 4 dealt entirely with peoples discussions with god. 
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So, despite the NH legislature expressly forbidding AA attendance in a recently enacted law, Amethyst continues to force people to go to AA and partake in religious activity.&lt;br /&gt;
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I broke the law.&amp;nbsp; Fine me, imprison me, take my license away--just don&#39;t force your religion on me.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/7463969809280798664/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2013/10/amethyst-house-is-still-requiring-aa.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/7463969809280798664'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/7463969809280798664'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2013/10/amethyst-house-is-still-requiring-aa.html' title='Amethyst House is still requiring AA attendance in violation of State and Federal Law'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-4806066686509969107</id><published>2013-07-26T17:56:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2013-07-26T17:57:22.944-04:00</updated><title type='text'>WMUR Story on Amethyst&#39;s Abuses?</title><content type='html'>A reader posted the following on Forced Worship:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;i have had it with this foundation i have contacted the tv station wmur 
and i want to talk to everyone who has or had problems with these 
people, not on the computer where they can see im dead serious on taking
 them to court  a robert kelly and kim   think they are  god, i despise 
these so called people who think they can run our lives and call us 
alcholics  when they never even met me or spoke to me  people please 
contact  asap at 423 453 0102  asap leave message if i dont answer  ill 
get back to u after work i need to hear fron you soon as the tv station 
wants to get on this soon thanks debbie&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#39;d love to talk to reporters at WMUR!&amp;nbsp; Also, I invite everyone willing to speak out against Amethyst to join.&amp;nbsp; They have been abusing their authority for too long!&lt;br /&gt;
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Now is your chance to do something.&amp;nbsp; Seize the moment.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/4806066686509969107/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2013/07/wmur-story-on-amethysts-abuses.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/4806066686509969107'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/4806066686509969107'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2013/07/wmur-story-on-amethysts-abuses.html' title='WMUR Story on Amethyst&#39;s Abuses?'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-6054613124727732932</id><published>2013-01-04T15:16:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2013-07-26T17:51:25.026-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Forced Worship now at 20,000 hits</title><content type='html'>The hits keep coming at Forced Worship.&amp;nbsp; I&#39;m happy that readers are finding this content useful!&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#39;m not so happy to hear reports that Amethyst is still ordering people to go to AA and otherwise abusing their authority.&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;This is now against the law!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Contact the Governor&#39;s Office and/or Director Harding.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/6054613124727732932/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2013/01/forced-worship-now-at-15000-hits.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/6054613124727732932'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/6054613124727732932'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2013/01/forced-worship-now-at-15000-hits.html' title='Forced Worship now at 20,000 hits'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-2429226076384151003</id><published>2013-01-04T14:36:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2013-01-08T18:38:31.218-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Newly updated New Hampshire State Law Forbids AA Requirement for IDIP Aftercare</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;
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Good news! Amethyst Foundation, Inc., and other NH IDCMPs can no longer require AA or any other type of religious or spiritual-based program if a &quot;client&quot; objects: &lt;/div&gt;
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Under section: He-A 507.04 Service Plan Development, in effect as of January 1, 2013:&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;(i) IDCMPs may include in a client’s service plan a recommendation for, but&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;shall not require, the client to participate nor make participation a&lt;br /&gt;
requirement of program completion, in any 12-step program or any type of&lt;br /&gt;
religious or spiritual based program if the client raises any objection at&lt;br /&gt;
any time to participating in such a program.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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If you are told to attend AA as part of your aftercare requirement, tell them &quot;no&quot; and you will not have to. If religion is part of any non-AA program, simply raise an objection, and you will not have to continue attending such a program as part of your aftercare requirement.&lt;/div&gt;
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What if Amethyst Foundation responds to your objection by telling you that you are free to attend any self-help group you can locate? They said this to me, knowing full well that only AA was available in New Hampshire and that I would have to travel, without a license, to Massachusetts to attend an alternative, non-religious program such as Rational Recovery or SMART Recovery.&lt;/div&gt;
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Having to go out-of-state to attend a 
non-religious self-help group as an alternative to AA will now be considered
 an &quot;undue burden.&quot; You cannot be required to go to Massachusetts to 
attend a non-AA self-help group.&amp;nbsp; (AA is still the only self-help 
group available in the State of New Hampshire.)&lt;br /&gt;
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To ensure compliance, the New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services has implemented&lt;br /&gt;
comprehensive oversight measures, including inspection of records, participant feedback, and undercover IDIP participants. Both IDCMPs like Amethyst Foundation and LADCs performing aftercare will be monitored.&lt;/div&gt;
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There still exist tough penalties for being found guilty of a DWI offense, but at least forced religious indoctrination will no longer be one of them.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;I&#39;ve put quite a lot of effort into writing this blog. I hope it&#39;s been helpful.&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Judging by your visits, it has. This blog has nearly 12,000 total hits now, with an average of over 30 hits a day.&amp;nbsp; Obviously, many of you have gone through what I did and are likely as infuriated as I was.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;I&#39;ve also contacted several government officials and legislators, as well as civil rights organizations. I&#39;ve done all I can&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;:&lt;/span&gt; now it&#39;s your turn.&amp;nbsp; Change will not happen unless you make your voice heard. Only by voicing your complaints will Amethyst Foundation, Inc. be held accountable. Your silence will assure that they continue to abuse their power with impunity, and that others will suffer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;These are the people you should send your complaints to:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Governor&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; Margaret Wood Hassan &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Office of the Governor &lt;br /&gt;
State House &lt;br /&gt;
107 North Main Street &lt;br /&gt;
Concord, NH 03301&lt;br /&gt;
(603)271-2121 (phone) &lt;br /&gt;
(603)271-7640 (fax)  &lt;br /&gt;
Email:  &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:governorhassan@nh.gov&quot;&gt;governorhassan@nh.gov&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Director Joseph P. Harding&lt;br /&gt;
State of NH Department of Health and Human Services&lt;br /&gt;
Division of Community Based Care Services&lt;br /&gt;
Bureau of Drug and Alcohol Services&lt;br /&gt;
105 Pleasant Street&lt;br /&gt;
Concord, NH 03301&lt;br /&gt;
(603)271-6110 (phone)&lt;br /&gt;
(603)271-6105 (fax)&lt;br /&gt;
Email:   &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:jharding@dhhs.state.nh.us&quot;&gt;jharding@dhhs.state.nh.us&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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Don&#39;t bother sending your complaints to Amethyst or the Dep&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;artment&lt;/span&gt; of Safety--they will not care. &lt;br /&gt;
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If you don&#39;t complain, nothing will be done.  Amethyst Foundation&#39;s abuses will continue.  And, believe me, both &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;former &lt;/span&gt;Governor Lynch and Director Harding are aware of these abuses.  In fact, they&#39;ve had to step in before to stop them.  I contacted them and got my license reinstated within two weeks (Amethyst was trying to permanently revoke it, even after I had successfully completed all of my assigned aftercare.)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#39;ll maintain this blog with updates.  In the meanwhile, good luck to all of you.&lt;br /&gt;
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Atheos</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/6343815196679729946/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/10/heres-where-to-complain-about-amethyst.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/6343815196679729946'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/6343815196679729946'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/10/heres-where-to-complain-about-amethyst.html' title='Here&#39;s where to complain about Amethyst Foundation, Inc.&#39;s abuses'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixvS0NOwrb1UR5vEHcaxntC3d6iOhYsmz5blbGWKMuw9hbd-S1KGooP677urysY-zRqze_SCjIFBx3thQ4Z7ytzwjJsJOwiHGXmQXDwgl58m23Hl-e04KOEfSfZaCTUMqeTg-eMyxnia_N/s72-c/images.jpg" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-5290069938471116216</id><published>2012-05-12T11:03:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2012-07-04T13:06:17.257-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst House"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Arrest"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DUI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DWI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="IDIP"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="LADC"/><title type='text'>NH House panel backs bill further punishing DWI arrestees</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;
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I recently found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120508/NEWS06/705089899/0/NEWS03&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; by Ted Siefer, the Union Leader&#39;s State House Bureau correspondent:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;blockquote class=&quot;tr_bq&quot;&gt;
CONCORD – Repeat drunk drivers could be required to use an ignition 
interlock device when their driving privileges are restored under a bill
 backed unanimously by a House committee.&lt;br /&gt;
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The House Transportation Committee voted 10-0 Tuesday to endorse Senate Bill 282, which was passed by the Senate in February. &lt;br /&gt;
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The
 bill would allow the Commissioner of Safety to request an 
administrative hearing before returning the driver’s license or driving 
privileges to anyone who was convicted for drunk driving, aggravated 
drunk driving, reckless driving that involved alcohol, negligent 
homicide that resulted from drunken driving, or being a habitual drunk 
driver.&lt;br /&gt;
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Under the bill, offenders could be required to use either
 a standard interlock or “enhanced” device, which takes a photo when 
users breathe into it, for a period of one to two years. &lt;br /&gt;
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The 
bill is one of several being pushed by the Department of Safety this 
session in an effort to crack down on repeat drunk driving. Last month 
the Senate passed a House-passed bill, HB 482, which would require 
anyone who tries to circumvent an interlock device to use the enhanced 
device and face other penalties.&lt;br /&gt;
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A full House vote on SB 282 has not yet been scheduled. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&amp;nbsp;Here&#39;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/507899&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;official version&lt;/a&gt; of the proposed bill:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Twelve&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;AN ACT authorizing the commissioner 
of safety to require the installation of an ignition interlock device as
 a condition of restoring driving privileges in certain instances.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;Be it Enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court convened:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;1  New Section; Department of Safety 
Authority to Order Ignition Interlock Device Installation.  Amend RSA 
265-A by inserting after section 36 the following new section:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;265-A:36-a  Department of Safety 
Authority to Order Ignition Interlock Device Installation.  The 
commissioner of safety may require an administrative hearing prior to 
the restoration of the license or driving privilege of a person whose 
license or driving privilege was revoked or suspended as the result of a
 conviction of any offense under RSA 265-A:45, RSA 265-A:2, RSA 265-A:3,
 RSA 265:79-a where alcohol was involved, RSA 262:19, or RSA 630:3, II, 
and, upon a finding that the safety of the person and of other users of 
the highways would be enhanced thereby, may order the person, as a 
condition of restoration of his or her license or driving privilege, to 
install an ignition interlock device in any vehicle registered to that 
person or used by that person, for not less than 12 months nor more than
 2 years, subject to the same conditions and prohibitions as if the 
interlock was ordered by a court under the provisions of this 
subdivision.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Century Schoolbook;&quot;&gt;2  Effective Date.  This act shall take effect January 1, 2013.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
(Note that this bill says &lt;i&gt;nothing &lt;/i&gt;about &quot;repeat offenders.&quot;&amp;nbsp; The Union Leader is the worst example of &quot;journalism&quot; I&#39;ve ever encountered.&amp;nbsp; It&#39;s usually rife with factual, spelling, and typographical errors.)&lt;br /&gt;
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I lost my driving privileges, due to a 1st Offense DUI in NH, for almost a year.&amp;nbsp; This was mainly due to the holy rollers at Amethyst Foundation punishing me for my &quot;willfulness&quot; (their actual words) in objecting to being forced to go to religious AA meetings.&amp;nbsp; During this period, I spent thousands on car rides to and from work (and mandated AA meetings).&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;
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Bill 282 now provides additional hoops to jump through once you complete your aftercare:&amp;nbsp; an administrative hearing.&amp;nbsp; Administrative hearings, as I have posted before, are dangerous.&amp;nbsp; Unlike a criminal or civil court proceeding, administrative hearings do not afford the defendant much in the way of procedural protections.&amp;nbsp; Administrative hearings, in the name of judicial expediency and efficiency, often make quick, cursory, and subjective determinations.&amp;nbsp; See my previous post entitled:&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/16-red-flag-hearings-14-affirmed-0.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;16 Red Flag Hearings: 14 Affirmed, 0 Reversed, 2 Remanded &lt;/a&gt;&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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While restoring driving privileges on the condition that an ignition interlock device sounds reasonable (I would have gladly done this if it meant I could drive to work), it will likely open the door to further administrative requirements such as more aftercare being assigned, extra fees, and extended suspensions of driving privileges.&amp;nbsp; I see nothing in this bill that would restrain the administrative judges from doing this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Further, ignition interlock devices (IIDs) are quite expensive.&amp;nbsp; In California the average cost for an IID is about $2.50 per day.  Some 
companies additionally charge around $75-$100 for installation.  You will also need to pay fees approaching $100 each month for the maintenance and calibration of your 
ignition interlock device.&amp;nbsp; Additionally, you will need to apply, and pay the fee, for a special IID license.&amp;nbsp; So, under NH Bill 282, the minimum one year IID could cost you around $1,300.&lt;br /&gt;
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All this for a &lt;i&gt;1st Offense DUI&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; you complete your aftercare.&amp;nbsp; Again, my concern is that once forced into the administrative court hearing, you are relatively helpless to the whims of administrative judges, who, in the past, have not shown much leniency (or fairness, in my opinion).&lt;br /&gt;
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A fairer version of this bill would allow the use of IIDs &lt;i&gt;during &lt;/i&gt;the suspension period. Unless you live in Manchester or Concord, there is no public transportation.&amp;nbsp; Private rides cost $50-100, each.&amp;nbsp; Drivers on Craigslist are unreliable and sometimes dangerous.&amp;nbsp; Many people lose their jobs because they cannot afford this expense.&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;That&#39;s too harsh a penalty.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Not to the people at Amethyst Foundation, though, who will take glee in your suffering.&amp;nbsp; They are all former drunks who had to go through the same punishment, and will love to make you go through it, too.&amp;nbsp; Maybe, I&#39;m sure they hope, you&#39;ll become a born-again Christian in the process, too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please feel free to look at some of my earlier posts for an understanding of what you need to do to get your driving privileges back.&amp;nbsp; The licensed alcohol and drug counselors (LADCs) who determine whether or not you deserve this believe the standard AA religious pseudo-science:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;you have a disease called &quot;alcoholism&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;the cure is to admit this and ask for God&#39;s help (&quot;hit your knees&quot;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;this cure requires nothing less than the complete abstention from alcohol&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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This is what places like Amethyst Foundation, Inc., and those that work in the recovery industry, want from you.&amp;nbsp; We all know how deluded this is.&amp;nbsp; The crime for what you&#39;ve been arrested is for &lt;i&gt;driving while&lt;/i&gt; impaired, not being impaired.&amp;nbsp; It is not against the law to consume alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;
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Go along with this charade and do your best job at acting to make them believe you.&amp;nbsp; Do not show any sign of &quot;willfulness,&quot; intelligence, or independent thought.&amp;nbsp; AA is a cult, and these AA-trained LADCs want mindless, subservient, stupid followers to recruit. Pretend that you are one of the &quot;pigeons&quot; they want.&lt;br /&gt;
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Be very careful until you get your license back.&amp;nbsp; Good luck.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/5286774510084935403/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/04/forced-worship-reaches-7000-hits.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5286774510084935403'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5286774510084935403'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/04/forced-worship-reaches-7000-hits.html' title='Forced Worship reaches 7,000 hits'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdvp3g27g1nTIoqs2CROlM1C4AnAo2sQjdSmDb0Exm18V_CY4igfPKXy-rDFx7Wa1rHfFnsYeRvgBPLeE9ljY0wuWfl47xNVPOASVviK1MbmLaw3suLI-56pBHiCcOagi-QYYZ4tJIdPQX/s72-c/circle+prayer.jpg" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-9209215318409370123</id><published>2012-04-16T18:44:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2012-04-16T18:49:07.319-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst House"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DUI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DWI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="IDIP"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="New Hampshire"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="rip off"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="scam"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="WIDIP"/><title type='text'>Amethyst Foundation, Inc.&#39;s 2010 IRS Form 990 -- More of the $ame</title><content type='html'>I&#39;ve previously &lt;a href=&quot;http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/07/amethyst-foundation-financial-documents.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;posted&lt;/a&gt; on the outrageous amount of money Amethyst Foundation, Inc., brings in, all &lt;i&gt;tax-free.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, their IRS Form 990 for 2010 is &lt;a href=&quot;http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/orgs/profile/020363792?popup=1#forms&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;now available&lt;/a&gt; and shows more of the same:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;a whopping total revenue of $1,165,753.00, of which $1,161,774.00 is entirely program service revenue from the state.&lt;/li&gt;
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And, apparently, Amethyst Foundation, Inc., operated in the red last year, with expenses of $1,185,201, including:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;$557,353 in wages (!)&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Really?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;$76,623 for Director Bob Kelley&#39;s salary&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;$35,476 for office supplies (!!)&amp;nbsp; I saw one old HP inkjet printer when I was there.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;$109,868 for &quot;all other expenses.&quot;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;
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And if you buy that, I have some swampland in Florida I&#39;d like to sell you.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;tr_bq&quot;&gt;Several years ago, the state of NH privatized its impaired driver  intervention programs, or IDIPs.&amp;nbsp; They are now all run by private  organizations, of which Amethyst Foundation, Inc (aka &quot;Amethyst House&quot;)  is the largest.&amp;nbsp; Supposedly a &quot;non-profit,&quot; Amethyst Foundation, Inc.,  nets well over a million dollars a year, all of which is tax-free.&amp;nbsp; They  list one employee, Bob Kelley, on their IRS statements.&amp;nbsp; NH law  mandates that you go to the closest organization, which for most people  in the state means going to Amethyst Foundation.&amp;nbsp; They have a virtual  monopoly.&amp;nbsp; Additionally, to ensure that the &quot;customers&quot; continue to roll  in, Amethyst Foundation employs several experienced, influential  lobbyists that apply pressure on NH State Representatives to maintain  strict penalties for DUIs.&amp;nbsp; Bob Kelley has a sweet scam going, and it&#39;s  all legal.&lt;br /&gt;
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I admittedly made a huge blunder resulting in a 1st Offense DUI.&amp;nbsp; Though  I had already paid large court and administrative fines, I was resigned  to doing the IDIP program which met once a week for four weeks.&amp;nbsp; I was  not prepared for what I would encounter there.&lt;br /&gt;
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Most of the people that work at Amethyst Foundation, almost without  exception, seemed bitter with the hand that life had dealt them, had a  hateful, puritanical streak, treated clients like garbage, and were all  too happy to exact punishment for the slightest infraction.&amp;nbsp; I suspect  that most were former heavy alcoholics who had gone through the highly  religious Alcoholics Anonymous program to stop drinking (they &quot;hit their  knees&quot; in AA-speak, found god, and got dry).&amp;nbsp; I suspect that their cognitive abilities  were affected by their past alcoholism, rendering them absolutely  incompetent at their jobs.&amp;nbsp; I was pressured from day one, and throughout  the IDIP program, to attend AA and get a sponsor.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;
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I told them that AA has been ruled by both Federal and State Courts to  be a religious organization for purposes of the Establishment Clause of  the 1st Amendment.&amp;nbsp; Despite this, and the fact that this was my first  DUI, they assigned six months of twice weekly mandatory attendance at AA  meetings.&amp;nbsp; At each meeting, I was pressured to pray, listen to these  people&#39;s ignorant, holier-than-thou, pseudoscience rantings based on the  Big Book written by Bill W. (really, the radical puritan/evangelical  Oxford group--google it).&amp;nbsp; At the end of every meeting, members hold  hands and recite the Lord&#39;s Prayer.&amp;nbsp; Nonbelievers are treated with  contempt, scorn, and pity--this was perhaps the most egregious of the  insults.&lt;br /&gt;
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I complained in writing, sent certified/return receipt requested, to  Amethyst Foundation, Inc. throughout this procedure.&amp;nbsp; Most of my letters  were ignored.&amp;nbsp; The responses I got dripped with contempt.&amp;nbsp; Mr. Kelley  went so far as to even attempt to mislead me over the phone into  exhausting my one administrative hearing so that I wouldn&#39;t have another  one for a year.&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to attending AA meetings, I also had to see a Licensed Drug  and Alcohol Counselor, or LDAC, weekly, for four to six months.&amp;nbsp; This  person was also a hard-core AA true believer.&amp;nbsp; These meetings consisted  of him, not trying to help me with any supposed alcohol problems, but  with trying to convince of god&#39;s existence and how wonderful AA is.&amp;nbsp; I  had to pay him for this privilege.&lt;br /&gt;
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The LDAC told me that Amethyst Foundation, Inc., punishes people who  complain by taking their licenses away permanently or effectively doing  so by ordering extensive aftercare.&amp;nbsp; When I completed my initial  aftercare of AA and LDAC meetings, I received a notice from the  Department of Safety of an Administrative Hearing requested by Amethyst  Foundation to permanently revoke my license.&amp;nbsp; This occured despite the  fact the I attended, with verification, all required AA meetings, and  obtained a positive evaluation by my LDAC.&lt;br /&gt;
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Luckily, I had written to the Governor several weeks prior, whose staff  then contacted the Head of the NH Dept of Health and Human Services.&amp;nbsp; I  updated the Governor&#39;s staff on what Amethyst Foundation had done.&amp;nbsp; The  NH Dept of HHS then reprimanded Mr. Kelley, including sending him a  written notice that mandating AA attendance was illegal.&amp;nbsp; I got my  license back within a week.&lt;br /&gt;
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Supposedly, Amethyst Foundation has been ordered to stop all aftercare  self help group attendance.&amp;nbsp; I doubt that they will do this.&amp;nbsp; The staff  there are on a religious mission to save people by getting them to go to  AA.&amp;nbsp; They are really religious prohibitionists that want to eliminate all alcohol use, not just merely prevent future DUIs.&amp;nbsp; History has shown that you cannot stop religious zealots.&lt;br /&gt;
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Surprisingly, I&#39;m really not angry at what happened.&amp;nbsp; I&#39;m more saddened  and disappointed that in this day and age such backward religious  zealots can still do such harm.&amp;nbsp; I thought that we, as a country that so  highly values individual rights and freedoms, had moved beyond that  long ago.&amp;nbsp; Ironically, this occurred in NH, the &quot;live free or die&quot;  state.&amp;nbsp; How hypocritical and ignorant some NH residents are.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/6580221758963774845/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/02/my-post-to-ripoff-report.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/6580221758963774845'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/6580221758963774845'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/02/my-post-to-ripoff-report.html' title='My Post to the Ripoff Report on Amethyst Foundation, Inc.'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-3389470063739487131</id><published>2012-02-03T16:23:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2012-02-03T16:37:24.124-05:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Aftercare"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst House"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Establishment Clause"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="First Amendment"/><title type='text'>Forced Worship Reaches 5,000 Hits</title><content type='html'>Visits to this website have reached over 5,000!&lt;br /&gt;
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Lots of people are, apparently, still being assigned attendance at AA meetings as part of &quot;aftercare&quot; by Amethyst Foundation, Inc.&amp;nbsp; If this has happened to you, please note that:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Several Federal District Courts and State Courts, including the U.S. District Court for the District of New Hampshire, have ruled AA to be a &quot;religious organization&quot; for purposes of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.&amp;nbsp; Coerced attendance at AA as part of your aftercare is&lt;i&gt; &lt;u&gt;illegal.&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Amethyst Foundation, Inc., will often try to direct you to attend a &quot;self-help&quot; group as part of your aftercare, knowing full well that the only self-help groups available in the state of New Hampshire are AA.&amp;nbsp; They will then respond to your complaints by stating that &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;you are not being required to attend AA and are free to attend any self-help group you can find.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Should this happen, immediately inform Amethyst Foundation, Inc., the Governor of New Hampshire, and the Director of the State of New Hampshire Dept of Health and Human Services in writing, by certified mail/return receipt requested.&amp;nbsp; This should solve your problem.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the unlikely event that this does not provide relief,&lt;b&gt; file, &lt;i&gt;pro se&lt;/i&gt;,&amp;nbsp; for a preliminary injunction in the United States District Court for the District of New Hampshire.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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There is no reason to attend AA or any type of self-group as part of your &quot;aftercare.&quot;&amp;nbsp; Yes, it was wrong to drive with a BAC over the legal limit.&amp;nbsp; But that does not justify your being punished by the religious zealots of Amethyst Foundation, Inc., REAP, Serenity House, and others of the &quot;recovery industry&quot; with forced participation at cult-like, religious AA meetings.&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/3389470063739487131/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/02/forced-worship-reaches-5000-hits.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3389470063739487131'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3389470063739487131'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/02/forced-worship-reaches-5000-hits.html' title='Forced Worship Reaches 5,000 Hits'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-4144295795633517843</id><published>2012-01-04T14:42:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2013-01-08T17:16:50.211-05:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="First Amendment"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Freedom of Religion"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Newt Gingrich"/><title type='text'>Newt Gingrich, Big Book Thumper</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: left;&quot;&gt;
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&quot;there was a part of me that was truly &#39;hollow&#39; ...and finally, a banker, who was a friend of mine from Georgia, gave me &#39;the two  books that make up Alcoholics Anonymous&#39;&quot;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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&quot;Now...I wasn&#39;t drinking, but I had precisely the symptoms of someone who was collapsing under this weight&quot; [referring to his hollow feelings].&lt;/div&gt;
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Reading the Big Book and trying to understand where I had failed and why I was empty and why I had to turn to God.&amp;nbsp; I think if I had not had that experience, that intervention, that I would have collapsed totally.&amp;nbsp; And that was really the beginning of turning my life around...I&#39;ve been blessed.&quot;&lt;/div&gt;
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I don&#39;t know what is more frightening:&amp;nbsp; The idea of this idiot being President, or the thought of people being so ignorant as to actually vote for him.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/4144295795633517843/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/01/newt-gingrich-big-book-thumper.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/4144295795633517843'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/4144295795633517843'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2012/01/newt-gingrich-big-book-thumper.html' title='Newt Gingrich, Big Book Thumper'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-1228937522259584263</id><published>2011-12-13T13:24:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2012-07-22T13:45:56.084-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Cult"/><title type='text'>More from Bill W., Cult Leader</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;
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It&#39;s simple:&amp;nbsp; you either go to AA, conform complete to its covenant, or you die.&lt;br /&gt;
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Update:&amp;nbsp; AA removed these videos from YouTube.&amp;nbsp; Even they are embarrassed by what their founder says.&amp;nbsp;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/1228937522259584263/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/12/more-from-bill-w-cult-leader.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/1228937522259584263'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/1228937522259584263'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/12/more-from-bill-w-cult-leader.html' title='More from Bill W., Cult Leader'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-5736990520694831963</id><published>2011-12-13T13:13:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2012-07-22T13:48:37.577-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><title type='text'>Bill W. speaks of &quot;The Only Way...&quot;</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;
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Straight from the cult leader&#39;s mouth.&amp;nbsp; Religion is everything to AA.&lt;br /&gt;
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Again...I don&#39;t mind so much if people wish to do this foolishness on their own time.&amp;nbsp; People are free to do or worship how they wish.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Even&amp;nbsp; more so in New Hampshire, the &quot;live free or die&quot; state.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, it is wrong, legally and morally, for a State government to force non-willing participants to attend what is, in essence, an undeniably religious organization.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh...and don&#39;t tell me &quot;AA has changed,&quot; because it hasn&#39;t.&amp;nbsp; They still strictly adhere to the tenets of Bill W.&#39;s &quot;Big Book&quot; which they regard as their bible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Update:&amp;nbsp; AA has removed these embarrassing and disturbing videos of their founder.&amp;nbsp; I&#39;ll find them and repost them myself.&lt;br /&gt;
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It revealing that AA has done this.&amp;nbsp; They don&#39;t stand behind what their leader says and what is written in the &quot;Big Book.&quot;&amp;nbsp; They feel the need to hide it from viewers of Youtube.&amp;nbsp; What hypocrites.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/5736990520694831963/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/12/bill-w-speaks-of-only-way.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5736990520694831963'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5736990520694831963'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/12/bill-w-speaks-of-only-way.html' title='Bill W. speaks of &quot;The Only Way...&quot;'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-3377352479523124166</id><published>2011-10-19T12:11:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-19T12:11:02.519-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst House"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DRI-II"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="drunk driving"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DUI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DWI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Establishment Clause"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Fundamentalism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="God"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="IDIP"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="LADC"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="MOP"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="New Hampshire"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="REAP"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="red flag hearing"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="WIDIP"/><title type='text'>Forced Worship Celebrates 4000 hits!</title><content type='html'>This tiny blog got over a thousand hits this week!</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/3377352479523124166/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/forced-worship-celebrates-4000-hits.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3377352479523124166'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3377352479523124166'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/forced-worship-celebrates-4000-hits.html' title='Forced Worship Celebrates 4000 hits!'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-664180823620048987</id><published>2011-10-18T13:49:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-19T06:24:28.795-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Debra Oberlin"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DUI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Establishment Clause"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Freedom of Religion"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Fundamentalism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="God"/><title type='text'>AA didn&#39;t work for Debra Oberlin....apparently</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; 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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;h1 class=&quot;art_head&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Former president of MADD arrested on DUI charge&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;art_byline&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;By &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:swirkoc@gvillesun.com&quot;&gt;Cindy Swirko&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Staff writer&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;art_pubdate&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;art_pubdate&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Published: Thursday, February 24, 2011 at 11:58 a.m. &lt;br /&gt;
Last Modified: Thursday, February 24, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;article_text article_paragraph0&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;A former president of the defunct local chapter of Mothers Against   Drunk Driving was arrested recently by the Gainesville Police Department   on a DUI charge.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Debra Oberlin, 48, was  arrested after she had difficulty on a field  sobriety test. She  registered a .234 and .239 on breath alcohol tests.  Florida&#39;s legal  limit for driving is .08.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Oberlin, a Realtor, had no comment when contacted Thursday by The Sun.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;On  Feb. 18 at 1:10 a.m., an  officer spotted Oberlin driving erratically on  Northwest 19th Street,  swerving and crossing lanes, an arrest report  states. Oberlin was  pulled over in the 3600 block of Northwest 39th  Avenue.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The officer wrote that  Oberlin smelled of alcohol and had  watery, bloodshot and dilated eyes.  The report states that Oberlin told  the officer she had four beers.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Gainesville&#39;s MADD chapter  existed  for several years in the 1990s before closing in 1996 because  of lack  of financial support. Oberlin was the chapter president for  three years.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;width: 280px;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Blogger Jeremy Witteveen (&lt;a href=&quot;http://cafewitteveen.wordpress.com/&quot;&gt;Le Café Witteveen&lt;/a&gt;) posted a blog entry entitled &quot;&lt;i&gt;I love you, Debra Oberlin&lt;/i&gt;&quot; and got this response: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;This hippocritical bitch should be public beat to death or better  yet,turned over to any 100 of the thousands whose lives she helped ruin  with her holier than thou bullshit,and let them deal with her.It would  be too much to ask for that the system will subject her to the full  extent of the law.&amp;nbsp; They will probably coddel her because of the income  flow she helped create.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Mothers Against Drunk Driving &quot;was originally formed by Candice  Lightner, who later left the organization. In 2002 she said that MADD  &#39;has become far more neo-prohibitionist than I had ever wanted or  envisioned ... I didn&#39;t start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD  to deal with the issue of drunk driving.&#39;&quot;&amp;nbsp; MADD, like AA, the &quot;recovery&quot; system, and IDIP providers here in New Hampshire like Amethyst Foundation, Inc., Serenity House, Inc., REAP, Inc., don&#39;t want to eliminate drinking and driving--they want to eliminate drinking &lt;i&gt;entirely &lt;/i&gt;in keeping with the religious/cult doctrines of AA (while making quite a nice, tax-free, profit doing so).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Good job, AA!&amp;nbsp; You took an organization that once had merit (MADD) and ran it into the ground, trampling people&#39;s civil liberties, creating a legion of people that absolutely despise you. &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;  &lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;The fundamentalist, former drunks who run AA (and the entire &quot;industry&quot; including Amethyst Foundation, Inc.), if they had functioning intellects, would quickly realize that the Twelve Steps are heresy.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But, either by choice, or by past alcohol use, or genetics, or a combination thereof, they don&#39;t.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&#39;ll spell it out for them:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&quot;I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me.&quot;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;1st Commandment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;In the Alcoholics Anonymous program, you can use anything for your &quot;God&quot; or &quot;Higher Power&quot;. A.A. has lots of stories of people using a bedpan, a teacup, a doorknob, a stone, a teddy bear, a mountain, a motorcycle, or &quot;Good Orderly Direction&quot; for their &quot;Higher Power&quot;. You can pray to any Golden Calf, stone idol, or Higher-Powered item of Household Hardware that you like.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One of the more ridiculous word redefinitions that A.A. offers us is, you can make the word &quot;G.O.D.&quot; mean &quot;Group Of Drunks&quot;.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The LADC I was mandated to see told me, therefore, that my atheism was no excuse not to like A.A.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;A.A. founder Bill Wilson (&quot;Bill W.&quot;) wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;I must quickly assure you that A.A.&#39;s tread innumerable paths in their quest for faith.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;...&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;You can, if you wish, make A.A. itself your &#39;higher power.&#39; Here&#39;s a very large group who have solved their alcohol problem. In this respect they are certainly a power greater than you, who have not even come close to a solution. Surely you can have faith in them. Even this minimum of faith will be enough.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;--Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, William G. Wilson, page 27.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Given that most Christians believe in the holy trinity (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost), I don&#39;t think many of them would think kindly to praying to a Group Of Drunks, or seeking and doing the will of a bunch of drunkards.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Also, how would Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, or Jews feel about being told this?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;But then, that&#39;s assuming that people that go to A.A. think.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They don&#39;t.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;In addition, the Twelve Steps talk about &quot;God as we understood Him&quot;. Members are allegedly free to define God however they imagine or understand &quot;Him&quot; to be. Bill Wilson told A.A. recruiters to&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;Stress the spiritual feature freely. If the man be agnostic or atheist, make it emphatic that he does not have to agree with your conception of God. He can choose any conception he likes, provided it makes sense to him. The main thing is that he be willing to believe in a Power greater than himself and that he live by spiritual principles.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;--The Big Book, William G. Wilson, Chapter 7, Working With Others, page 93.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Obviously, this makes A.A. incompatible with atheism.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Atheism is the non-belief in a higher power.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But A.A. members just see an atheist&#39;s nonbelief as another fault (like his alcoholism in denial) that needs to be cured.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;God will cure the poor sap&#39;s atheism--he just needs to be dragged in to A.A. meetings.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;How about making my higher power Satan?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Or Hitler?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Or Wotan, Thor, Loki, etc...?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some of the people I&#39;ve meet at A.A. meetings are absolutely insane.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They have truly drunk the cool-aid and are full-blown cult followers.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&#39;m sure some of the things they understand god to be would get them committed if anyone looked at A.A. with any degree of scrutiny.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(A.A., for some reason, likely ignorance, gets largely a free pass by society, despite it being a religious cult which is completely ineffective at treating alcoholism.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;Bill Wilson emphatically repeated that doctrine in the Big Book:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;Despite the living example of my friend [a sober Ebby Thacher] there remained in me the vestiges of my old prejudice. The word God still aroused a certain antipathy. When the thought was expressed that there might be a God personal to me this feeling was intensified. I didn&#39;t like the idea.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;..&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;My friend suggested what then seemed a novel idea. He said,&quot;Why don&#39;t you choose your own conception of God?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;That statement hit me hard. It melted the icy intellectual mountain in whose shadow I had lived and shivered many years. I stood in the sunlight at last.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It was only a matter of being willing to believe in a Power greater than myself. Nothing more was required of me to make my beginning. I saw that growth could start from that point. Upon a foundation of complete willingness I might build what I saw in my friend. Would I have it? Of course I would!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Thus was I convinced that God is concerned with us humans when we want Him enough. At long last I saw, I felt, I believed. Scales of pride and prejudice fell from my eyes. A new world came into view.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;--Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, Chapter 1, &quot;Bill&#39;s Story&quot;, Page 12.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;We were now at Step Three. Many of us said to our Maker, as we understood Him: &quot;God, I offer myself to Thee — to build with me and to do with me as Thou wilt. Relieve me of the bondage of self, that I may better do Thy will. Take away my difficulties, that victory over them may bear witness to those I would help of Thy Power, Thy Love, and Thy Way of life. May I do Thy will always!&quot; We thought well before taking this step making sure we were ready; that we could at last abandon ourselves utterly to Him.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;--A.A. Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, page 63.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;Follow the dictates of a Higher Power and you will presently live in a new and wonderful world, no matter what your present circumstance.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;--The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, page 100.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;You might be thinking that this is just &quot;The Big Book&quot; and A.A. doesn&#39;t really follow it strictly.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;You would be wrong in thinking so.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;You will very quickly learn that &quot;The Big Book&quot; is the absolute final authority and is never to be questioned!&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Bill W. is viewed as a near-God by these people.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This, despite his well-documented abuse of his wife, infidelity, narcissism, and his utter failure at being sober (he cried out for whiskey on his deathbed).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;The blind, cult-like obedience to the religion of A.A. extends beyond the meetings in church basements.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In New Hampshire, the agencies entrusted with carrying out court-ordered Impaired Driver Intervention Programs (IDIPs), such as Amethyst Foundation, Inc., REAP, Inc., and Serenity House, Inc., are owned, operated, and staffed by A.A. members.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Staff members spread the gospel of A.A. during IDIP classes, declare everyone an alcoholic (either admitted or in denial) and order mandatory A.A. attendance as part of the aftercare that virtually everyone is assigned.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Also, as part of the &quot;aftercare&quot; is mandatory counseling sessions with Licensed Drug and Alcohol Counselors, who happen to espouse...yes, that&#39;s right, the tenets of A.A.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;In essence, the state of New Hampshire let A.A. infiltrate a significant component of the government.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(And I haven&#39;t even mentioned A.A.&#39;s role in New Hampshire&#39;s prisons, parole hearings, professional disciplinary proceedings, and others yet...I will later.)&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The entire recovery industry is reaping in huge (tax free) revenue while indoctrinating new member into their A.A. cult.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It&#39;s a great scam, and I&#39;m sure the smart ones at the top are laughing their way to the bank.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The stupid ones being exploited merely think they are saving souls.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Here&#39;s one final secret about A.A. members:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;they lie.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They lie because they believe they are saving souls and that they know better than you.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&#39;ve caught people at A.A. meetings (and at Amethyst Foundation, Inc.) red-handed in the act of lying, with well-documented evidence, and they still shamelessly maintain they are right.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;If you are at the mercy of these people and need your license back, you need to understand the personalities you are dealing with.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These are people who think they are fault-less and perfect because god has revealed to them the truth.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They take pity on you.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;With the power they have been entrusted by the state they will bend you to their will.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Play dumb.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Reveal no will, backbone, or free-thought.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Lie, as they will lie to you.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Escape their clutches, get your license back and flip them the bird in your rear view mirror as you drive away.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNoSpacing&quot; style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;If there were a god, and the Ten Commandments, these people would surely be going to hell.&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/5398329519543826042/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/heresy-of-twelve-steps.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5398329519543826042'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5398329519543826042'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/heresy-of-twelve-steps.html' title='The Heresy of the Twelve Steps'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-3149237789657782371</id><published>2011-10-08T11:10:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-08T11:11:17.154-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Atheism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Fundamentalism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="God"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Religion"/><title type='text'>Atheism:  Ready for Primetime!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirVzewV8datG6rKz08j2-LIC4n2ZbQgpq55myfBjAV-FKmZ_qNKT5SGt06qVD6OowMJHWjvOSncr4HussiSsoEtf71i6T89ZNfs6EMLYZFDC3321x3yvG4gshxYztIwYpRhu5UZ7u7uHxr/s1600/yweFF.jpg&quot; imageanchor=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;236&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirVzewV8datG6rKz08j2-LIC4n2ZbQgpq55myfBjAV-FKmZ_qNKT5SGt06qVD6OowMJHWjvOSncr4HussiSsoEtf71i6T89ZNfs6EMLYZFDC3321x3yvG4gshxYztIwYpRhu5UZ7u7uHxr/s400/yweFF.jpg&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#39;s great to see an admired, lead character in a popular prime time television program trash religion.&amp;nbsp; This makes me optimistic about the future of society.&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/3149237789657782371/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/atheism-ready-for-primetime.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3149237789657782371'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3149237789657782371'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/atheism-ready-for-primetime.html' title='Atheism:  Ready for Primetime!'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirVzewV8datG6rKz08j2-LIC4n2ZbQgpq55myfBjAV-FKmZ_qNKT5SGt06qVD6OowMJHWjvOSncr4HussiSsoEtf71i6T89ZNfs6EMLYZFDC3321x3yvG4gshxYztIwYpRhu5UZ7u7uHxr/s72-c/yweFF.jpg" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-1639204294544074936</id><published>2011-10-03T10:18:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-03T10:20:26.933-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="drunk driving"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DUI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="DWI"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="IDIP"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="New Hampshire"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="WIDIP"/><title type='text'>Forced Worship Celebrates 3000 hits</title><content type='html'>Though it doesn&#39;t sound like very much, three thousand hits is actually a fairly impressive number for a little blog like this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Good luck to those of you who are going through what I had to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
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Would you like your story heard?&amp;nbsp; Send it to me!</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/1639204294544074936/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/forced-worship-celebrates-3000-hits.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/1639204294544074936'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/1639204294544074936'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/forced-worship-celebrates-3000-hits.html' title='Forced Worship Celebrates 3000 hits'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-5321175670332871080</id><published>2011-10-03T10:01:00.023-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-03T10:21:09.345-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst House"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="REAP"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="red flag hearing"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Serenity Place"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Supreme Court"/><title type='text'>16 Red Flag Hearings:  14 Affirmed, 0 Reversed, 2 Remanded</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Looking for Justice by holding a Red-Flag Hearing?&amp;nbsp; Don&#39;t Count On It&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;The Department of Safety, Bureau of Hearings, has posted a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/hearings/compendium/superior/miscellaneousappeals.html#III&quot;&gt;Compendium of Superior Court Cases&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Under &quot;I. Substance Abuse Completion Requirements&quot; there are listed sixteen red-flag hearings, or appeals of decisions made by Amethyst Foundation, REAP, or other administrators of IDIP programs.&amp;nbsp; Of those sixteen hearings, none were reversed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&quot;90 meetings in 90 days&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;bold&quot; style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Keskula v. Beecher&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;, 04-E-142, (Merrimack, Lewis, 07/19/04) AFFIRMED&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Referred to further counseling by LADAC; Petitioned for, and  after a hearing, Hearings Examiner entered as his disposition the  indefinite suspension of Petitioner&#39;s driving privileges and further  directed that he attend 90 self-held group meetings in 90 days, and  securing a low-risk alcohol evaluation from a LADAC …; Petitioner  disagreed; appeal filed; HELD: &quot;The Hearings Examiner acted within his  discretion in making the rulings and determinations … There is ample  support for the conclusion that the required aftercare was warranted in  this case.&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Charming.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Ninety meetings in ninety days is an old AA slogan.&amp;nbsp; It is how new people (&quot;pigeons&quot; in AA slang) are recruited.&amp;nbsp; Like other cults, AA tries to insulate new member from the outside world during the period of indoctrination.&amp;nbsp; There&#39;s no evidence that this helps in maintaining sobriety at all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Issues of effectiveness aside, ordering AA attendance, which this clearly is doing, is unconstitutional.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;   All of these courts have ruled that Alcoholics Anonymous is a religion or engages in religious activities: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the Federal 7th Circuit Court in Wisconsin, 1984. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the Federal District Court for Southern New York, 1994. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the New York Court of Appeals, 1996. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the New York State Supreme Court, 1996. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the U.S. Supreme Court, 1997. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the Tennessee State Supreme Court. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the Federal 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, 1996. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh District, 1996. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the Federal Appeals Court in Chicago, 1996. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, September 7, 2007.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, 2006.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, 2005.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;the U.S. District Court for the District of New Hampshire, 2006&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;The United States Supreme Court has refused to hear challenges to those rulings, or to change or over-turn &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;those lower court decisions. By letting them stand, the Supreme Court has made them the law of the land.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; In the case of &lt;i&gt;Grandberg v. Ashland County&lt;/i&gt;, a 1984 Federal 7th Circuit Court ruling concerning judicially-mandated A.A. attendance, the court said: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times,Roman; font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times,Roman; font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times,Roman; font-size: small;&quot;&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt; Alcoholics Anonymous materials and the testimony of the witness established beyond a doubt that religious activities, as defined in constitutional law, were a part of the treatment program. The distinction between religion and spirituality is meaningless, and serves merely to confuse the issue.&lt;br style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot; /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt; — Wisconsin&#39;s District Judge John Shabaz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times,Roman; font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times,Roman; font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times,Roman; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Really, could the law be any clearer than that?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&quot;Conflicting LADACs&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;bold&quot;&gt;Reyno v. Beecher,&lt;/span&gt; 05-E-603,(Merrimack, Fitzgerald, 01/18/06) AFFIRMED&lt;br /&gt;
Referred to further counseling by LADAC;   suspension sustained after hearing with conflicting testimony from more  than one LADAC. Program disagreed with LADAC. Hearings Examiner held  that Petitioner must follow program&#39;s recommendation. Court affirmed in a  short one-line opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class=&quot;bold&quot;&gt;Bastille v. Beecher&lt;/span&gt;, 05-E-055,(Rockingham, McHugh, 04/27/05) AFFIRMED&lt;br /&gt;
Referred to further counseling, suspension was sustained  after hearing with conflicting LDACs. Director ordered counseling. Court  ordered Petitioner to submit to a new LDAC evaluation. Evidence was  sufficient to sustain order, but time was up and court ordered  restoration after it reviewed additional submissions by petitioner about  two weeks later.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;The bottom line appears to be:&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt; In a contest of opinion between an Amethyst Foundation/REAP/Serenity House LADC vs. your outside expert, you lose. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&quot;The Court may not &#39;Second Guess&#39; the Examiner&#39;s reliance on the Reports, as to what weight and credibility to assign them.&quot; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;bold&quot;&gt;Gregoire v. Beecher&lt;/span&gt;, 04-E-0063, (Strafford, Smukler, 07/07/04) AFFIRMED&lt;br /&gt;
Referred to further counseling; did not comply and at a  hearing, the Hearings Examiner ordered Petitioner to show compliance;  Petitioner argues that although the examiner was correct in reaching the  foregoing conclusions based on the evidence before him, the evidence  upon which he relied was inaccurate. HELD: Petitioner has not met his  burden of demonstrating that the examiner&#39;s decision was unreasonable or  unlawful. &quot;The Court … may not second-guess the examiner&#39;s reliance on  the reports or his determination, as to what weight and credibility to  assign them.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class=&quot;bold&quot;&gt;Oeser v. Beecher&lt;/span&gt;, 02-E-50, (Cheshire, Groff, 8/19/02) AFFIRMED&lt;br /&gt;
After a hearing ordering aftercare, Petitioner appealed  raising &quot;the following five issues on appeal: (1) …sentence has been  served and her license must be restored; (2) … was not granted a  hearing; (3) … license must be reinstated after 1-year; (4) hearing  violated … right to due process and the DOS regulations; (5) … counselor  is unqualified and the tests used … to determine her risk of  re-offending were unreliable.&quot; Court held: &quot;clearly the statute provides  for continued revocation of the license of a person convicted of a DWI  offense beyond the 1-yr period, if the person fails to meet the further  counseling requirements. The Court finds that there is no evidence the  hearings officer failed to follow the departmental regulations in the  conduct of the hearing, or failed to give … a full and fair hearing in  complete accord with all constitutional requirements of due process.  Finally, the Court finds that … has failed to establish as a matter of  law that the counselor was unqualified or that the tests were  unreliable. The Court finds that the hearings officer&#39;s acceptance of  the counselor&#39;s opinions and recommendations for treatment were  reasonable.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class=&quot;bold&quot;&gt;Ferris v. Beecher&lt;/span&gt;, 01-E-42, (Strafford, Mohl, 4/6/01) AFFIRMED&lt;br /&gt;
Referred to further counseling by CADAC; after  hearing the Hearings Examiner agreed with the CADAC and concluded that  petitioner&#39;s alcohol abuse problem was not under control and that he was  at risk to be a repeat DWI offender; appeal filed; petitioner considers  himself only a &quot;problem drinker&quot; and argues that his test scores were  inaccurate because he answered the questions based on his life style  habits in 1998 as opposed to the present, as directed to do by the  CADAC. The Court held: once petitioner demonstrates compliance with the  program and is not at risk to recidivate, he can then petition to be  decertified as an Habitual Offender.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;So not only will your expert witness be wrong, the court will too, and it must defer to the wisdom of the Amethyst Foundation/REAP/Serenity House LADC!&amp;nbsp; Nevermind that to be a LADC requires only a rudimentary training, and not even a high school diploma, which is driven by christian fundamentalist ideology that is unconcerned with issues such as fairness.&amp;nbsp; Retribution, punishment, and &quot;saving you&quot; for your own good is all that they are concerned with.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/5321175670332871080/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/16-red-flag-hearings-14-affirmed-0.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5321175670332871080'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/5321175670332871080'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/10/16-red-flag-hearings-14-affirmed-0.html' title='16 Red Flag Hearings:  14 Affirmed, 0 Reversed, 2 Remanded'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-3293446860467093166</id><published>2011-09-21T18:56:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T18:57:36.195-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Cult"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Fundamentalism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="God"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Stuart Smalley"/><title type='text'>I Don&#39;t Care If People Don&#39;t Like Me</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;iframe allowfullscreen=&#39;allowfullscreen&#39; webkitallowfullscreen=&#39;webkitallowfullscreen&#39; mozallowfullscreen=&#39;mozallowfullscreen&#39; width=&#39;320&#39; height=&#39;266&#39; src=&#39;https://www.youtube.com/embed/6ldAQ6Rh5ZI?feature=player_embedded&#39; frameborder=&#39;0&#39;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Senator Franken got it almost right with his character, Stuart Smalley.&amp;nbsp; But Stuart is kind and assumes the best in people (just not himself).&amp;nbsp; The twelve-steppers of AA, founded on Christian born again fundamentalism, aren&#39;t&amp;nbsp; They are full of fear, intolerance, and hate.&amp;nbsp; The audience of SNL wasn&#39;t (and probably still isn&#39;t) ready for this type of honest depiction, however.&amp;nbsp; It&#39;s still taboo to criticize religion.&amp;nbsp; Hopefully people will start to see these psychotics for the irrational, dangerous, lunatics they are.&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/3293446860467093166/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-dont-care-if-people-dont-like-me.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3293446860467093166'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/3293446860467093166'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-dont-care-if-people-dont-like-me.html' title='I Don&#39;t Care If People Don&#39;t Like Me'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-4493989117689592228</id><published>2011-09-21T18:46:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T18:49:52.897-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bullshit"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Cult"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Effectivenss of Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Fundamentalism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="God"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Religion"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="rip off"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="scam"/><title type='text'>Naturally Incapable of Rigorous Honesty and Suffering From Grave Emotional and Mental Disorders</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFrKS29p0n-HbgCnxoUhSdkn8UehuK3MQg2CNudGQph29zfkXUPon-cXf0gTSVBdNsbkSRR-vLov-TkNn2AEC1aBQM4iNZ2HyfW67i6Whebtw6CSAZrMDQfLyuw-h94GEsyzbKJHS4hWTF/s1600/obamabill1.jpeg&quot; imageanchor=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;320&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFrKS29p0n-HbgCnxoUhSdkn8UehuK3MQg2CNudGQph29zfkXUPon-cXf0gTSVBdNsbkSRR-vLov-TkNn2AEC1aBQM4iNZ2HyfW67i6Whebtw6CSAZrMDQfLyuw-h94GEsyzbKJHS4hWTF/s320/obamabill1.jpeg&quot; width=&quot;210&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Every AA meeting opens up with this prayer: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path.  Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely  give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are  constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are  such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born  that way. There are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a  manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less  than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and  mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity  to be honest.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;If you have any independent thought, you will soon grow extremely tired of its astounding degree of condescension, blaming, arrogance, and shockingly blatant effort at manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Rarely have they seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow.&amp;nbsp; It sounds like AA is very effective!&amp;nbsp; This is a lie.&amp;nbsp; Even AA admits it.&amp;nbsp; They qualify this statement by &quot;thoroughly.&quot;&amp;nbsp; If it doesn&#39;t work for you, it&#39;s your fault--you didn&#39;t follow their (simple) path thoroughly enough.&amp;nbsp; It&#39;s your fault!&amp;nbsp; You can&#39;t even follow a simple program!!&lt;br /&gt;
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The truth is that people who quit on their own have an equal, if not higher, success rate than those that follow AA&#39;s path.&amp;nbsp; The problem isn&#39;t with the person, it&#39;s with the program.&amp;nbsp; AA simultaneously falsely legitimizes itself as effective when it is not, and then bashes the poor alcoholic when AA doesn&#39;t work for him/her.&amp;nbsp; Charming.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves.&amp;nbsp; There are such unfortunates.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This is perhaps the most condescending statement I&#39;ve heard anyone utter.&amp;nbsp; The idea that a group of deluded, unthinking, unquestioning sheep could know myself better than I do is outrageous.&amp;nbsp; They can&#39;t even accurately assess their own lives or critically assess the AA program.&amp;nbsp; They unquestioningly accept what Bill W. says as the truth.&amp;nbsp; If they are unable to question themselves critically, they are in no position to do so to me.&amp;nbsp; But they do, and take pity on me as a hopeless case...an &quot;unfortunate&quot; who they turn their backs on.&lt;br /&gt;
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People who fail are either:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&quot;naturally incapable of grasping and developing a  manner of living which demands rigorous honesty&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I always snorted when someone said this.&amp;nbsp; If AA members lived in a manner demanding rigorous honesty they would realize:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;that AA has been repeatedly shown, using rigorous double-blind, placebo-controlled trials, to be utterly ineffective in achieving sobriety.&amp;nbsp; The likelihood of success is just as high in those that stop drinking on their own.&amp;nbsp; One major study showed that people who attend AA are 9-times more likely to binge drink, compared with those who do Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy (REBT).&amp;nbsp; Even AA&#39;s triennial survey admitted to the ineffectiveness of its program.&amp;nbsp; But AA members reject these pieces of evidence.&amp;nbsp; They are in a constant state of denial, which is ironic because that&#39;s how they dismiss others (like myself) who disagree with them.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;that the evidence for a Christian God, which is what AA is based on, is nonexistent.&amp;nbsp; Combine this with the many suspect, self serving reasons to believe in such a god (fear of death, fear of others unlike us, fear of change, selfloathing, etc...), and all this god talk begins to sound like a type of psychosis.&amp;nbsp; I heard many testimonies about personal visits and conversations from God by people in AA meetings.&amp;nbsp; I was scared that such delusional people were, not just walking the streets, but approved of by society.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;they are, in no way, superior to me in being capable of being honest with myself. Not only am I incapable of being rigorously honest, but I&#39;m naturally incapable of even grasping it!&amp;nbsp; I was evidently born defective mentally, and cannot operate at the high plane of mental functioning that average AA members are able.&amp;nbsp; And even more, I&#39;m so stunted intellectually and/or morally that I&#39;m incapable of realizing it!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;they were wasting half their lives at AA meetings in dark damp church basements where all anyone ever talks about is how great the program is, how close to death they were, and how they would be dead if it weren&#39;t for AA.&amp;nbsp; Say it enough times, and people will believe it, maybe, is what they are shooting for.&amp;nbsp; This is also called &quot;brainwashing.&quot;&amp;nbsp; Look into it.&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;u&gt;&amp;nbsp;&quot;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;suffer from grave emotional and  mental disorders&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;I guess&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt; my doctors are all incompetent.&amp;nbsp; I must be bipolar or schizophrenic and they missed it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;Maybe I should trust AA instead of them, especially since they&#39;re so rigorously honest, unlike my physicians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;many of them do recover if they have the capacity  to be honest.&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;So all you have to do to succeed at AA is have the capability of being honest.&amp;nbsp; I guess &quot;honest&quot; really in the language that AA uses means &quot;gullible.&quot;&amp;nbsp; It certainly doesn&#39;t mean believing the truth.&amp;nbsp; It means believing the lies that AA tells you, and then spouting off constantly about how wonderfully it works.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;This mean-spirited, &quot;kick &#39;em when their down,&quot; attitude is common to christian fundamentalists.&amp;nbsp; It&#39;s not the version of Christianity taught in the older, more traditional forms of Catholicism, Protestantism, or other religions.&amp;nbsp; The christian &quot;born again&quot; fundamentalists are a sick, twisted, selfish, and hateful lot. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;I don&#39;t know which is more shocking to me:&amp;nbsp; that society has such a beneficent view of the AA, or that people in AA can be such gullible idiots.&amp;nbsp; Society doesn&#39;t really know that much about AA.&amp;nbsp; Most people only know of someone who has gone to meetings.&amp;nbsp; If they had gone themselves, or have read the lunatic rantings of Bill W. in the &quot;Big Book&quot; that is read like scripture in every meeting and followed with blind obedience, I&#39;m sure they would think differently.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;The sad fact of the matter is that there are many people truly helpless at the hands of alcohol.&amp;nbsp; They are decent people who, for some reason, cannot stop drinking.&amp;nbsp; They are suckered into the scam that AA will save them, if only they are subservient enough and give up all critical reasoning ability.&amp;nbsp; Why trust medical researchers and physicians, when you can trust a former drunk&#39;s uncritical, uneducated religious rantings in the basement of a church?&amp;nbsp; The fact that AA preys on these, the real &quot;unfortunates,&quot; is the worst aspect of this entire sham.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/4493989117689592228/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/09/naturally-incapable-of-rigorous-honesty.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/4493989117689592228'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/4493989117689592228'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/09/naturally-incapable-of-rigorous-honesty.html' title='Naturally Incapable of Rigorous Honesty and Suffering From Grave Emotional and Mental Disorders'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFrKS29p0n-HbgCnxoUhSdkn8UehuK3MQg2CNudGQph29zfkXUPon-cXf0gTSVBdNsbkSRR-vLov-TkNn2AEC1aBQM4iNZ2HyfW67i6Whebtw6CSAZrMDQfLyuw-h94GEsyzbKJHS4hWTF/s72-c/obamabill1.jpeg" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-1250204201856114004</id><published>2011-09-21T17:19:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T17:21:13.042-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="12 Step"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="AA"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Alcoholics Anonymous"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Amethyst Foundation"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Atheism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Freedom of Religion"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Fundamentalism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="God"/><title type='text'>Atheists Aren&#39;t The Ones Who Are Arrogant</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYmF2fh_rrSxJFuKpi7KcbZNCWUdqHn9VQ-0OfNFPESOszO18hKg9SSGuuWCathHivic3Cl8fFvDl6ZN9DcBX5uGOQvGSWc1JlXUp3q7-i-rl9fZpOkYiGIMM7qopV0ymkITN4F_7XODCZ/s1600/Atheism-arrogant.jpg&quot; imageanchor=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYmF2fh_rrSxJFuKpi7KcbZNCWUdqHn9VQ-0OfNFPESOszO18hKg9SSGuuWCathHivic3Cl8fFvDl6ZN9DcBX5uGOQvGSWc1JlXUp3q7-i-rl9fZpOkYiGIMM7qopV0ymkITN4F_7XODCZ/s1600/Atheism-arrogant.jpg&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;During my IDIP courses at Amethyst  Foundation, Inc., the LADC who was &quot;teaching&quot; told me repeatedly that my  &quot;arrogant atheism&quot; prevented me from ever being able to deal with my  &quot;drinking problem.&quot; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;I  encountered this same insanity during the AA meetings I was forced to  attend (especially when I refused to hold hands in a circle and pray  with those losers).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;You  know what&#39;s arrogant?&amp;nbsp; Thinking that the supreme being is interested in  your sorry ass or your whining about your &quot;drinking problem.&quot;&amp;nbsp;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;That&#39;s&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt; the height of arrogance.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;It&#39;s  also the height of stupidity.&amp;nbsp; But if you&#39;ve been through this, you  already know how stupid these people are.&amp;nbsp; Willful ignorance is a  prerequisite to being a LADC, and it&#39;s why they drank to deal with their  problems before being certified to push their nonthinking ideology on  others.&amp;nbsp; I&#39;d rather they had stayed the pathetic drunks they were.&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/feeds/1250204201856114004/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/09/atheists-arent-ones-who-are-arrogant.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/1250204201856114004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4125430038902722883/posts/default/1250204201856114004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://forcedworship.blogspot.com/2011/09/atheists-arent-ones-who-are-arrogant.html' title='Atheists Aren&#39;t The Ones Who Are Arrogant'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYmF2fh_rrSxJFuKpi7KcbZNCWUdqHn9VQ-0OfNFPESOszO18hKg9SSGuuWCathHivic3Cl8fFvDl6ZN9DcBX5uGOQvGSWc1JlXUp3q7-i-rl9fZpOkYiGIMM7qopV0ymkITN4F_7XODCZ/s72-c/Atheism-arrogant.jpg" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125430038902722883.post-8477134086569184949</id><published>2011-09-21T17:00:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T17:01:30.813-04:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Civil Rights violation attorney wanted new hampshire"/><title type='text'>Wanted:  Civil Rights Attorney</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;I&#39;ve been contacted by several people who, like me, are deeply offended by being forced by the state of New Hampshire to attend AA meetings that are religious, ineffective, and insulting to anyone with any degree of intelligence.&amp;nbsp; We would love to file a class-action lawsuit in Federal Court on Establishment Clause grounds.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Are there any seasoned civil rights attorneys out there who would be willing to help?&amp;nbsp; This abuse of power needs to be stopped.&amp;nbsp; If so, please email me at AtheosAmericus@gmail.com&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When I was arrested for DUI, a lot was at stake: jail time, huge fines, etc... I went to one of the most reputable law firm in New Hampshire. It would seem a logical choice, but I ended up getting crappy representation from an inadequately supervised junior associate who was too afraid and insecure to admit when he didn&#39;t know something.&amp;nbsp; I trusted him because he worked for a highly respected law firm. This was a mistake. I ended up making wrong, uninformed (and expensive) decisions--some of which I actually had to correct for him by filing court paperwork later. To add insult to injury, the guy was a former cop who just dripped with a snarky, judgmental, &quot;you deserved it, so stop whining&quot; attitude. I really felt ripped off.&lt;/div&gt;
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My advice to anyone looking for a lawyer to is surf the web and look for attorneys that show a passion for criminal defense work in general, and DUI defense in specific. DUI laws are grossly unfair and extremely punitive. Because of hysterical MADD lobbying groups and religious AA prohibitionists, state legislators, district attorneys, sheriffs and other elected officials are pressured to enact and enforce ridiculous DUI laws.&lt;/div&gt;
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Good attorneys know this, and they know that good citizens are being unfairly punished and need good representation. Their passion will show in their websites. A good DUI lawyer will blog about DUI laws, defenses, and legislation, etc... and I&#39;m sure they would have done a better and cheaper job then the jerk I hired.&lt;/div&gt;
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Here are some sites that impressed me. I wish I had checked them out:&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nhduidefense.com/about_us.html&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Eugene C. Struckhoff, III&lt;/b&gt;, Lothstein Law Office, PLLC, Concord, New Hampshire&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Gene Struckhoff (&quot;Citizen, Lawyer&quot;), a graduate of Harvard Law who has been defending individuals since 1969, has a long essay entitled &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nhduidefense.com/why_I_defend_DWI.html&quot; style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;The Importance of Defending DWI/DUI Cases&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; I couldn&#39;t help but be impressed with this.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.byebyedwi.com/&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mark Stevens&lt;/b&gt;, The Law Offices of Mark Stevens, Salem, New Hampshire&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Mark Stevens specializes in DUI representation and is extremely experienced at it, as indicated by his online &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.byebyedwi.com/&quot; style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;attorney profile&lt;/a&gt;. He went to law school at Massachusetts School of Law, which is not a very good law school. But the truth is that law school really doesn&#39;t teach you how to be an attorney, practicing law does.&amp;nbsp; Getting into Harvard Law really only shows that you got (very) good grades as an undergraduate and scored (very) high on the LSAT.&amp;nbsp; Stevens looks good, and his passion for what he does is evident.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nhdwiguy.com/&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Daniel Hynes&lt;/b&gt; (aka, &quot;The NH DWI Guy&quot;), The Law Offices of Daniel Hynes, Nashua, New Hampshire&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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I was very impressed with Hynes&#39;s plucky attitude. He&#39;s gotten great reviews on Google and Yahoo. He does mainly DWI cases and has a lot of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daniel-hynes.com/&quot; style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;experience&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; His passion for his work comes across in his website videos, his online guidebook to DWI defenses, and extensive website DUI-related material. I feel that anyone who takes the time to write and make available content like this has a passion for what he does, and would likely do a great job defending you. He also seems aware of and sensitive to the expense of representation.&amp;nbsp; Hayes went to University of Albany (Criminology Major) and then to Western New England Law School.&amp;nbsp; Again, Western New England Law is not Harvard Law, but I&#39;m not sure how meaningful the difference is in reality.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.russmanlaw.com/about-us.html&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ryan Russman&lt;/b&gt;, Russman Law Offices, Exeter, New Hampshire&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Russman looks very experienced and accomplished. A graduate of Suffolk Law and author of two books on DUI defense, he offers extensive resources on his website and is impressive. As a semi-finalist in both the ABA National Trail competition and Suffolk Law third year moot court competition, he&#39;s probably a great attorney if you have to go to trial.&amp;nbsp; He has great customer reviews, too.&lt;/div&gt;
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I&#39;m sure there are other great attorneys out there. You should look 
for someone who specializes in DUI cases, is smart, and is 
passionate. Passion is indicated to me by the degree of intellectual 
curiosity shown on their websites and their accomplishments. The 
attorneys above have written books on DUI defenses, have specialized 
training in DUI law, and even teach CLE courses on this stuff.&amp;nbsp; They 
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Keep in mind that if you go to the firms above, you may very well be represented by a supervised, junior attorney. But be careful. Get assurances that they are competent and well supervised.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though the attorney I hired worked for an impressive law firm, and was under the supervision of one of it&#39;s partners, he was a joke (an expensive one).&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;nbsp;Do you know of a good attorney?&amp;nbsp; If so, email me!
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