Efficient Energy

Wall Plates Vs Tubes Cell

2012-02-12T23:37:00.000-08:00

Every one planning to build HHO cell by himself wonders what design is batter: tubes or plates.
The time has come to compare what is better: Tubes or plates.

The criterions:
1) Working area - Which one is bigger?
2) Time to prepare - What is faster?
3) Current - Which one can take more current without going to dangerous temperature area?
4) Cost - Which one is chipper?

HHO generator with Plates	HHO generator with tubes
Consider one wallplate work area from my free design: Number of working sets: 10 Work area of one set: 8112 mm² Total work area: 81120 mm²	Number of working tubes: 18 couples. Work area of one set: 4020 mm² . Total work area: 72360 mm² The true benefit of this design is the efficiency increase due to voltage spread on more working couples. The result: less energy converts to heat.
From the moment of material receive: About 5 Hours including cutting ssl stripes, pvc walls and drilling wallplates.	From the moment of material receive: About 10 Hours including plastic pattern accurate drilling, filter drilling, complex electrical connection of the tubes.
Can reach easily up to 19 AMP in safe 60 degrees C.	Can reach up to 30 AMP without passing the 60 Degrees C.
Relatively low cost: wall plates can be bought for 2.5$ each on amazon, Rest of the part are cheap too.	Relatively high cost: custom made tubes make the cost to rise.
If it’s your first HHO cell go for plates / wallplates. It’s cheap and easy to build, the results are good and fuel economy increase is significant. EFIE is the best but Oxygen sensor spear can also do the job for many cars.

Best Electrolyte For HHO Cell

2012-02-12T23:29:00.000-08:00

Use an electrolyte that suits the best to you HHO Gas generator design. The distance between the electrode plates does really matter.

A - For electrodes with little distance between the plates you could use: tap water or distilled- rain- or demi water with a very little of any of the catalysts mentioned below.

B - For electrodes with more space between the plates tap water won't work. So use distilled- rain- or demi water with a little of the catalysts mentioned below.

C - For electrodes with a lot of space between the plates tap water won't work. Use distilled- rain- or demi water with a one of the catalysts mentioned below.

1 - Tap Water - H2O (containing minerals, salts etc.)

Advantages:

Available everywhere
Cheap
Safe

Disadvantages:

Water might turn brown with smudge on the electrodes
Water that contains chlorine should not be used

2 - White Vinegar - acetic acid - H₃C-COOH

Advantages:

Stainless electrodes stay clean
Available everywhere
Cheap
Safe

Disadvantages:

Smells

Available at your local grocery store.

A good mix for medium distance electrodes: 100% vinegar with (only if necessary) some baking soda. (If do so be carefull, because the reaction will produce co2 and some other gasses!)

2 - Baking Soda ( Natriumbicarbonate ) NaHCO3

Advantages:

Available everywhere
Cheap

Disadvantages:

Electrodes and water might turn brown
Produces Co2 (30%) and Co (4%).
For this reason not recommended

Pure Baking Soda might leave a brown tinted residu.

3 - Sodium Hydroxide also called Lye = NaOH

Advantages:

Electrodes stay clean
Cheap
95 - 100% pure HHO (oxygen hydrogen) Gas production with right generator design
Safe
Available in the Grocery store
recommended

Disadvantages:

Limited dangerous to work with

Pure sodium hydroxide is a white solid; available in pellets, flakes, granules and as a 50% saturated solution. It is deliquescent and readily absorbs carbon dioxide from the air, so it should be stored in an airtight container. It is very soluble in water with liberation of heat. Use with distilled water.

4 - KOH

Also called pottassium hydroxide.

Advantages:

Electrodes stay clean
95 - 100% pure HHO gas production along with the right generator design
strong and pure electrolyte

Disadvantages:

Not available everywhere
dangerous to work with

Recommended as very good electrolyte (recommended by Honda in 2001)

5 - K2CO3

Pottassium Carbonate.

Advantages:

Maximum HHO gas production
Very pure HHO gas production along with the right generator design
Efficient
Safe to work with

Disadvantages:

Not available everywhere
It is possible (sometimes necessary) to mix it with a little Naoh to draw more amps.

Winter Electrolyte:

Developed by mr. M. Moldoveanu

Water+Ethyl Glycol+KOH will provide the benefit the technical of low freezing point but high boiling point at the same time.

General information to get the best results:

For the flat-plate-design electrodes you might want to consider pulse power to get more efficiency using less amps making better gas. VERY good results are possible with a Stanley Meyer like PWM.

For most cars between 4 - 20 amps should give good results. Medium Diesel engines need less amps (2 -12) Prevent to add too much watervapour into Diesel engines. Too much watervapour will delay the ignition of the fuel mixture which might cause using more fuel.

Do not try to get too much HHO gas volume out of your generator by using a lot of amps etc. It will certainly become overheated and your electrodes could be damaged. Or you will generate steam. It is better to a larger number of (small) generators to get the gas volume you need. Or use a HHO generator with a pump system. Advantages: The generators will stay cool / warm, uses less power, is safer and will last longer(!)

HHO Dry Cell vs Wet Cell

2012-01-24T08:30:00.000-08:00

HHO Dry Cell vs Wet Cell

So, what's all the controversy about? Why is the HHO Dry Cell a better design?

Here are 2 main reasons:

1. When the edges of the plates of a hho generator are submerged in the water/catalyst bath a great deal of the electrical current passes through the edges of the plates. This current is largely wasted in terms of HHO production. When the edges are outside of the bath, as with the hho dry cell, all of the current is forced to travel directly to the faces of the plates. Therefore all of the current supplied to the hho generator is utilized in efficiently making HHO gas.
This is the main reason the hho dry cell design has become so popular.

2. The electrolyte bath attacks and will eventually destroy the electrical connections if they are submerged. With the hho dry cell design they are outside of the water/catalyst solution which is stored in a separate reservoir and recirculated by the hho dry cell, this help in producing more hho gas and less heat (steam)

The plates of our HHO dry cells are made of 316L stainless steel. This has been found to have the best properties of resistance to attack from the process of electrolysis. However, mounting hardware and wire and cable are very difficult to find in 316L grade and are very costly to use.
Therefore copper cable is usually used by Hydrogen on Demand installers when installing their hho generators. And a lower grade of stainless steel nuts and bolts are used by hho generator builders for assembly and when these are submerged in the electrolyte, they rapidly get eaten away.

With the HHO dry cell design, all of these connections are outside of the electrolyte so this isn't an issue.

Why is it that a hho dry cell design produces more hho gas?

Because it is efficient, there is not a lot of wasted spaced and electrolyte solution that is not being used and charged with current. The very small volume of electrolyte solution that enters the hho dry cell is subjected to electrical current and able to react and create hho, then exit the hho dry cell generator and recirculate.

Why do hho dry cells run cooler than other hho generators?

Again, because of the design of the hho drycell, with the "wet cell" generators the heat created by the electrolysis process has no place to go. With the Dry Cell Design the electrolyte solution is gravity fed in order to keep it replenished. A constant flow keeps the unit from overheating.