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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
came across this case when I was reading a book called “Burned: A
Story of Murder and the Crime that Wasn&#39;t” by Edward Humes.  Much
like the book I read recently on the murder of Roger “Scott”
Dunn, the case did not end when the book did.  In the latter case
there had been a prosecution without a body.  The book was published
in 2005 and in 2012 Scott Dunn&#39;s body was finally found.  Humes&#39; book
was the story of a woman who was convicted of starting a fire that
killed her three children.  This is one of those cases in which I was
glad I read the book to know more of the story because while
researching the case online there was not as much information as was
provided by the book.  Burned was published in 2019 and argued that
JoAnn Parks had been wrongly convicted of murder.  The book very much
dove into the investigation that was later taken over by the
California Innocent Project (CIP) as well as what had been discovered
about the nature of fire since the “crime” had occurred in 1989. 
&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
was thankful that I had read Humes&#39; book, not only because it was
very informative but also because once I sat down to do my research
nearly all of it surrounded more recent events in the case.  In 1993
JoAnn Parks received a sentence of life without parole after being
convicted on three counts of first degree murder.  Prosecutors
argued, obviously successfully (which we will be getting into) that
she had purposely set a fire that had claimed the lives of her three
children. Over nearly thirty years there were many filings and
arguments looking to have at the very least a new trial and at the
very most, to have her exonerated completely.  All of the court
proceedings failed.  But, then in 2020 Governor Gavin Newson commuted
JoAnn&#39;s sentence which made her immediately eligible for parole.  It
was another nine months but in January of 2021 she was released from
prison.  When you research the case however it is a bit misleading. 
Most everything says that she was exonerated, wrongly convicted or a
combination of these things.  In reality she was not exonerated, nor
as of August of 2022 has it legally been found that she was wrongly
convicted.  That is not to say that I agree with these rulings, I am
just stating the facts.  In fact, in August of 2021, after her
release the previous January the courts ruled once again.  CIP was
specifically asking for her to be officially exonerated but the
courts basically said that it all still came down to a “battle of
the experts” and refused to grant the motion.  What all of this
means is that it is going to be up to you to decide what you think. 
As always I will give you the information that I have gathered
through my research.  I have already expressed a bit of my feelings
but as usual you will also hear more of what I believe.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
the early morning hours of April 9, 1989 JoAnn Parks ran to the home
of her neighbors, Bob and Shirley Robinson, in Bell California (now
basically a suburb of Los Angeles) and banged on the door.  They did
not need her to tell them why she was there because as soon as they
opened the door they saw flames coming from the newly converted
apartment the family had moved into just a week earlier.  JoAnn
informed the Robinson&#39;s that her three children, four year old Ronald
Jr, two year old RoAnn and one year old Jessica, were still inside. 
While Shirley first called the authorities she then went out to stay
with JoAnn and Bob ran to the burning home.  He entered the home and
while it seemed as if he was gone for quite some time, he did not get
very far and nearly collapsed from the smoke himself. Another
neighbor had been walking home when he noticed the flames and had
grabbed a nearby garden hose to try to help put it out while waiting
for firefighters to arrive.  Both this neighbor and Bob Robinson,
along with at least a few police officers who reached the scene first
would say that they could hear the children screaming during this
time.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;One
of the officers that reported this was not permitted to testify in
JoAnn&#39;s 1993 trial because prosecutors would say that his
recollections had changed over time and they claimed he was
unreliable. Reality is that is that his core issues and testimony
were consistent not only with the evidence, but with other testimony.
 The “unreliable” part was that the officer later seemingly made
an effort to sound as if he had made more efforts than he actually
did to save the children.  Let me start with saying that while I do
believe he made what could have been a fatal mistake (I will get into
this in a bit) in his efforts, that he did do all that he could or at
least knew to do to save the children.  I believe his story later
likely changed more out of guilt.  The fact that three children, who
were alive when he arrived and were not saved can weigh heavily on
someone.  And, the officer was not the only one to make such claims.
JoAnn Parks would do the same in a later interview apparently after
her husband made a comment, for others to hear, all but blaming her
for their children dying.   In another interview she too apparently
made it seem she had done more to reach her children.  But, while the
prosecutors took these statements deliberate lies and used them
against JoAnn and the officer, I honestly do not see them this way. 
The prosecutor gained leverage by taking this position but again, we
will get into that in just a bit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Authorities
went inside the home once the fire was out.  RoAnn and Jessica were
found in their room and while Robbie was also found in his room, he
was found in his closet.  The home was all but destroyed either by
the fire itself or by the firefighters who went through it after
looking for hot spots.  A fire investigation is much different than
other crimes scenes and investigations.  Yes, sometimes evidence is
destroyed or moved, sometimes on purpose (usually maliciously) or by
accident in other crimes but when it comes to fires almost ALL
evidence is affected.  First, the fire itself can destroy everything
it touches.  That obviously depends on a lot of things.  If something
is not destroyed by the fire, it could be damaged or destroyed by the
water used to put the fire out.  Then firefighters comb through the
structure with pick axes where they dig through debris, move things
around and often throw large flammable and damaged items outside of
the structure itself to prevent the fire from reigniting.   So, when
investigators go in to see where a fire may have started or why they
may not see the entire picture.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
will use a good example of this in this particular case.  It was said
that the Parkses had an “old style” (remember they said this in
1989... so it was old for that time) television.  The television had
been obviously damaged.  The question over the years would be whether
the damage the television suffered came from the fact that it was the
source of the fire, or damaged by the fire itself.  It is unclear if
the television was available to be examined to investigators.  Two
investigations were done in this case.  The first determined that the
fire was an accident and electrical in nature.  Whether the
television was examined is unclear.  What we do know is that a second
investigation was made and in that case we know the television was
not examined.  There were indications that it was somehow available,
whether still in the rubble in or outside the home, but that the
investigator chose not to examine it.  That being said only a trained
investigator would likely be able to tell the difference between
knowing if the television was the source of the fire or damaged
BECAUSE of the fire. Then again right around the time of this fire in
1989 and into the next few years some investigators were starting to
learn that everything they had been taught about arson investigation
may have been wrong.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;For
decades those investigating fires were told what to look for to
determine how the fire started, including knowing the signs of where
the fire started and knowing when an accelerant is being used. 
Around the time of the fire at the Parkses home things were starting
to change.  But, let me say that it was not, and still apparently is
not an easy change or one that everyone accepts willingly.  And, as
we know and have seen so often when it comes to court battles it
seems that either side is capable of finding an “expert” that
will testify for their side.  This case has often been argued by the
court in appeals to be “a battle of the experts” and sadly this
seems to be why nothing has really changed. A seasoned and well
respected arson investigator by the name of John Lentini was one of
the first to discover that everything he had been taught about fire
had been wrong.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Lentini
was one of many investigators who had the opportunity to examine an
area after a wildfire had gone through the area.  The significance in
this was that they knew the fire had technically started some
distance away from the structures that they looked at.  This meant
they knew the fire had not started with an accelerant, nor had their
been an electrical fire.  The other advantage that these
investigators had was that the fires had been allowed basically to
burn out themselves so there was not the typical water damage, nor
were firefighters going through these structures and moving things
around.  What they did know was that something called “flashover”
had occurred.  Flashover happens when oxygen comes into an area of a
fire and will basically engulf a room in flames.  It does not mean
that the entire room technically catches fire at that time, but it
does mean that flames have touch basically every section of the room.
It will and generally does spread naturally but some items in an area
when there is flashover can immediately catch fire also.  Lentini and
his fellow investigators were surprised to see things like “V”
patterns in the structures they looked at after the wildfire.  They
had been taught that these patterns were classic signs of an
accelerant being used and the origin of the fire.  They absolutely
knew this was not the case here.  They also absolutely had to know
that flashover had occurred in these structures.  As windows would
have cracked and/or busted out oxygen would have entered the
structure and “fed” the fire.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Learning
these things Lentini basically began a whole new level of research
when it came to fires. Not long later Lentini was called into another
case of a house fire where a man was accused of setting the fire that
killed several members of his family.  The initial investigators had
ruled that it was arson and since the man was the only survivor in
the home the prosecutors decided he had started the fire.  So,
Lentini seemingly found a home just a few doors down that was empty
and laid out the exact same way.  He was somehow able to obtain the
rights and the ability to use this home as a “test” home.  It was
said to have been furnished similarly to the man&#39;s home and a fire
WAS set.  Of course in this instance they would have known where it
was set and how.  When it was all said and done once again Lentini
was able to prove that the same marks in the original fire were found
in the demo fire, showing that marks in the original fire that had
been pointed to as signs of arson were not true.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Lentini
made it his mission to re-evaluate fires and basically become a “new”
fire expert.  He eventually started working with the CIP and looking
into old cases.  Many who had highly respected Lentini were now at
odds with him and despite his proof, they disagreed with his
findings.  Many of the “old school” investigators vehemently
disagreed with Lentini, as well as prosecutors.  One has to ask if
this stubbornness to accept the now proven science behind fires was
attributed to simple denial or the fact that they knew that every
single case that involved arson would be under review.  How many
innocent people had been sent to prison, or even received a death
penalty.  These questions came about fiercely both before and after
the 2004 execution of Cameron “Todd” Willingham in Texas who was
sentenced to death for starting a fire that killed his children. 
Many believe to this day that he was wrongly convicted, let alone
executed.  Many prosecutors believe cases like these are hills worth
dying on.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;So,
as I stated earlier, the initial investigation into the fire at the
Parkses home was ruled accidental.  In fact, neither JoAnn or her
husband, Ronald, were not aware that a few short days later the
investigation was opened again or that nearly three years later it
was still being conducted.  I do not want to say that they had moved
on, but I guess that is what they did.  They had moved away and were
both working and outwardly doing well it seems.  So why was there
another investigation done?  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;A
few days after the fire a woman by the name of Kathy Dodge contacted
authorities in Bell.  Dodge had been a neighbor of the Parkses  in
late 1988.  Earlier that year, prior to Dodge meeting the family, the
Parks family had their first home fire.  That fire had been ruled
accidental and electrical and there was ample proof of this.  In
fact, there were multiple witnesses that there were electrical
problems in the house while the Parks family were renting and a day
or so before the actual fire the fire department had come in and had
the electrical turned off on the house saying there was a hazard and
the landlord needed to speak to an electrician. It had been said that
if more than one appliance ran the breakers would trip.  The
following day however, while Ron was at a park with the two older
children JoAnn apparently turned the breakers back on in the home
saying they needed it for whatever reason.  She then left with their
youngest child, Jessica and met the rest of the family at the park
for a picnic.  While they were gone the fire started and the family
lost everything.  However, unlike the second fire, no one lost their
life.  The family did not have insurance and there was no indication
that they had any financial motive to have started the fire.  After
this fire they had moved to a nicer area and this is where they met
Kathy Dodge.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;By
most accounts the family was doing well there, maybe better than they
had at any point in time before.  JoAnn became friends with Kathy
Dodge, for a while at least.  At some point the two women had a
falling out.  Kathy accused JoAnn of stealing some sort of cashier&#39;s
check that she had received.  Kathy even called the police who could
not prove that JoAnn did anything at all.  It was alleged that while
Kathy never found the cashier&#39;s check she was able to have one
re-issued, that is if it was missing at all.  You may understand in a
bit why I have said this.  Soon after this argument Ron Parks was
laid off from his job and soon the family was homeless again.  Kathy
told authorities that before the Parkses left that she and JoAnn had
made up but whether JoAnn had agreed with that seemed a bit unclear
for me.  There was some indication that Kathy may have stated that
they had made amends so that she did not seem to be a bitter person
because the things she told authorities were pretty damaging.  I want
to take sections of what she said and examine them but note that when
she told them to authorities they not only seemed to take them at
face value and they spread them to other investigators.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Kathy
stated that JoAnn had made comments that if Jessica had died in the
previous fire that the couple would have gotten quite a bit of money.
 First, no one was in the home when the home caught fire, let alone
baby Jessica.  Secondly, there was absolutely no evidence that the
Parkses had any kind of life insurance on any of their children at
any point including at the time of either fire.  In fact, there was
no evidence they had any sort of renters insurance during either
fire.  The couple had filed a lawsuit after the first fire against
the landlords but it was later dropped after the second fire
occurred.  Lastly, while some of the statements made by Kathy were
said to be corroborated by a few other people, from my understanding
that was not completely true.  I was led to believe that those who
had said they had heard these statements also would later say that
they never heard them from either JoAnn or Ron Parks, but from Kathy
herself saying that they had been said.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Kathy
told authorities that JoAnn gave the children cough medicine on a
regular basis so that they would sleep throughout the night.  
Autopsies were done on the bodies of the children and it was
determined that no cough syrup was found.  At some point Ron&#39;s
ex-wife was interviewed and she stated to authorities that while they
had been together Ron had given cough syrup to their son (I have no
idea what came of this child but it does appear that his name too was
Ron, odd, I know).  This of course does not mean that Ron, who was
much older than JoAnn had not “trained” her to do the same with
their children but again, nothing was present apparently during the
autopsies.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;These
were the main things that Kathy Dodge would allege and as I said were
passed on to investigators.  She would add things as well as
seemingly take things away from statements throughout the
investigation.  In the end when JoAnn was put on trial in 1993 Kathy
Dodge was on the witness list but the prosecutors decided not to call
her.  Between her inconsistent statements, her criminal history and
some other things apparently they felt she was too unreliable. But,
it was her statements to authorities in the beginning that re-opened
the investigation into the fire that had already been ruled
accidental.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
CIP would delve into this a lot and talk about how bias came into the
picture.  In fact, at some later point they would present to the
court a witness who discussed how not only fire investigations had
changed over the years but also how allowing fire investigators to
have unrelated information presented them with a bias opinion before
ever going inside a structure.  The fire investigator who went into
the home the second time, after Kathy Dodge&#39;s statements to
authorities, not only knew about these statements but he also knew
that he had been the investigator at the previous fire, one that he
ruled accidental.  I will be the first to admit that for a family to
have two fires within two years would be unusual but I also do not
think that especially this investigator should have taken that into
consideration since he himself ruled the first one an accident.  I
say this because this particular investigator, even when faced with
the science and research discovered by Lentini and others, refused to
admit he could have been wrong in the case of the second fire.  And
yet, while he did not go back and officially change the ruling on the
first fire that he investigated involving the family, he did indicate
that he may have believed it too was set.  In fact, years later,
after CIP was involved in the case and talked to the prosecutor about
looking the case over they found an “expert” who not only agreed
with the ruling on the second fire but in his report repeatedly
called JoAnn a “serial arsonist.”  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;So
the second investigation began after Kathy Dodge had made her call
and as I stated the investigator knew the allegations that were made.
 This was done before any toxicology could have returned to prove
there was not cough syrup in the children&#39;s bodies.  It was later
said that no only did he know these things, that he had discussed
them with another before going inside.  Once inside not only did he
determine that this was not an act of accident but of arson, he
stated there were two points of origin.  One was in the front room
around the cord of the television set and the other was in the room
where the girls slept.  Later he would revise a little saying that
the cords in the front room had “nicks” in them and he believed
that while it was attempted to start a fire her that it had not taken
off.  He would be asked about his examination of the television as
well as if he could absolutely determine where these “nicks” came
from.  The answer to the first question was that he had not examined
the television and despite any answer he may have given there is no
way he could have known for certain that the “nicks” came from
someone tampering with the wire.  They could have just as easily come
from the axes used by firefighters.  The investigator also made the
claim that four year old Ronnie had been barricaded in his closet
indicating that someone had put him there before the fire. He would
claim that a laundry basket had been put in front of the closet.  The
said laundry basket was plastic and it was unclear whether it had
mostly melted away or if it had completely melted away.  There was a
mark near the door where the investigator claimed the basket must
have been at some point during the fire.  The problem was too that no
one could say for certain if when investigators went into the home
after the fire if the closet door was open or closed.  When he left
the home the investigator had alleged believed that both Ron and
JoAnn were guilty of starting, or at least attempting to start, the
fire.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
want to stop here for a moment and go over these theories of the
investigator.  He knew going into the home that Ron Parks had some
electrical experience; he also knew that their last fire had been
ruled accidental due to a circuit overload to and extension cord. In
addition to this he also knew that when the fire started Ron was at
work.  His working theory was that Ron had set up the wires in the
front room to basically be a delayed detonator.  When that apparently
failed he believed that JoAnn had set a fire in the girls&#39; room.  He
also believed that at least one of them had barricaded Ronnie in his
closet.  He was also armed with all of the stories that Kathy Dodge
had told.   In the end since no one could prove that Ron had anything
to do with the fire and JoAnn was the only parent home when it
occurred prosecutors eventually filed charges against her and not
Ron. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;While
we all know that a prosecutor does not have to present the court with
a motive,  we also know that juries like to have them.  Whether they
present a motive or not there has to be a reason and the evidence has
to make that reason make some sort of sense to someone at least, even
if it is only to the perpetrator of a crime.  Financial motive was
ruled out. Not only did the family not have insurance to protect
their belongings (despite having a previous fire), there was no
evidence of insurance on the children.  So it appears that the
alleged motive became simply wanting to be rid of the children.  But,
I take issue with this too.  First, once again, there was no evidence
that there was any kind of cough syrup or any other sort of drug or
chemical in the bodies of the children that would have allowed them
to maybe sleep more heavily.   If we go by the investigators theory,
of which the prosecutor based their theory upon, then only one of the
three children were “barricaded” and a second fire was started in
the room where the other two children slept.  This makes little sense
not to mention that Kathy Dodge was the ONLY person who indicated
that JoAnn was not a good mother or made particular comments about
her children and she was so discredited that the prosecutor never
ever called her to the stand to testify.  I should say that there
were a few others who made the claims about JoAnn&#39;s parenting but in
the end they admitted that they heard these things from Kathy Dodge
and had not seen or heard anything directly from JoAnn.  And yet
still these allegations from Dodge were used as first the basis to
come to decisions in the case and later based in the theory made by
the prosecutor.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
I stated earlier the prosecutor also chose not to allow one of the
officers that was first on the scene to testify, claiming that his
story had changed.  I already spoke about why I believe this was the
case and I touched on the fact that his main allegations or report
was not only substantiated by others, but very important.  Everyone
agrees that when the officer arrived at the scene the children were
alive and could be heard.  There was desperation all around to reach
them.  The officer went around to the back of the home where their
windows were.  He reported that the fire had not yet fully engulfed
at least the girls&#39; bedroom.  However, this is when he likely made a
fatal mistake.  In his effort to reach the children he began breaking
the window.  After, or during that effort, “flashover” occurred
and not only all but blew the officer back from the window, it
overtook the room.  There were witnesses to this who saw the officer
being pushed back.  The significance in this is the fact that Lentini
had discovered that “flashover” had the ability to create
patterns in which until that point they had been told were signs of
arson.  Whether the second investigator refused to believe
“flashover” occurred or simply dismissed the fact that it had the
ability to make these patterns is unclear. But this same investigator
argued that a second fire was started in the girls&#39; bedroom and it
seems to contradict the other information given.  But, because the
prosecutor did not call the officer to the stand that information was
not given to the jury.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;JoAnn&#39;s
attorney had his work cut out for him.  In the process he actually
upset one of his main witnesses.  Lentini testified about the new
progress made in fire investigations.  It was not widespread by that
time in 1993 so there was some push back from other investigators.
This would be the beginning of what many consider the case becoming a
“battle of the experts.”  Lentini was upset because his core
belief was that the fire was not arson but electrical in nature. 
And, while I understand him being upset with the defense attorney
there is also a part of me that understood what the defense was
doing.  Obviously it would be best to basically stick to one theory,
especially if you are a prosecutor.  However, when it comes to
defense attorney&#39;s their job is to create holes in the prosecution
theory and show the jury there is reasonable doubt.  While yes, the
defense was arguing that JoAnn had not set the fire that killed her
children, they also knew that if the jury believed it was arson they
could sentence her to death and he wanted to prevent that also.  The
defense put Ron Parks on the stand.  He was not a likable guy anyways
and he proved so in front of the jury.  The defense theory was that
if the jury believed the investigators that the fire was set and that
there had been a failed attempt in the living room, and Ron Parks had
electrical experience that they would not believe she planned to set
the fire alone.  Ron was not charged with anything so the defense
believed if the jury believed Ron was also involved they would spare
JoAnn the death penalty believing he also was involved and faced
nothing. They may have actually right in that aspect.  Ron made some
comments on the stand that did not sit well with some people,
including JoAnn.  First, he came off as very distant but when he
talked about his children he spoke as if he never thought of them or
about their lives, let alone their deaths.  He actually referred to
his children as “spilt milk.” &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
defense was not sure until the end whether Kathy Dodge was going to
testify, and in turn were unsure whether they would put JoAnn on the
stand.  They felt as if Dodge testified JoAnn would absolutely have
to.  They would confront her with Dodge&#39;s allegations and let the
jury see her for who she was, but putting a defendant on the stand is
always risky because you never know what the prosecutor has in store
for them.  In the end since Dodge did not testify, neither did JoAnn
and the defense felt that for the jury it would come down to which
side of experts they believed.  They were correct in many aspects but
in this area they were wrong.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Throughout
the fire, and even on into the night JoAnn&#39;s neighbor, Shirley
Robinson stayed practically next to her.  While there were some
allegations by people who either saw JoAnn from a distance or had
sporadic contact with her throughout that time that they found her
behavior or emotions odd, Shirley Robinson disagreed.  However,
Shirley&#39;s observations did not fit into the prosecution narrative. 
During the time of the fire one investigator kept going over to the
two women and was assuring JoAnn that her children were first, “going
to be” and then later were okay.  In fact, after knowing that the
children did not survive the investigator still convinced JoAnn of
this and also convinced her to go to the police station for an
interview.  On the surface this interaction seemed like nothing in
the realm of the investigation.  It was not something the defense was
concerned about and it is likely the prosecution did not give it a
second thought themselves.  It was at the police station that JoAnn
would be informed about the fate of her children and it was where Ron
and JoAnn first had contact after the fire.  Again, despite other
reports, from mainly officials, Shirley Robinson maintained that
JoAnn was devastated by this news, and later her husband&#39;s reaction. 
After the verdict in the case jurors would stun the defense when they
announced that they came to their decision that JoAnn was guilty
based on the fact that she left the scene of the fire without
physically seeing her children.  It was their belief that a mother
would not have left the scene without knowing for certain where and
how her children were.  But, as I stated earlier, she was not given
the death penalty.  Her sentence for three counts of first degree
murder was life in prison without the possibility of parole.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;CIP
(California Innocence Project) were asked to get involved a few times
in the next several years.  At least once they had denied looking
into the case. Eventually they did take the case and began diving
into fire investigations. They even had an “arson review panel”
look over the case and they determined not only one fire began and
that was in the front room but also that there was absolutely no
evidence that something was barricading the closet door in Ronnie
Jr.&#39;s room.  CIP went to the prosecutors with their case and were
hoping that they would agree that fire investigation had changed and
they would admit and see that an injustice was done.  In fact,
according to CIP attorney&#39;s the prosecutor even gave that impression
at least initially.  In fairness, it is the prosecutors job to look
into the case and determine the accuracy of what the CIP gave them. 
Even still, the CIP was shocked at the response they later received. 
&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
prosecutors found an expert of their own that looked the over the
case.  Not only did this person still proclaim that the 1989 fire was
a case of arson, and accessed that JoAnn had set that fire, he also
proclaimed that the previous fire, a year earlier, was also arson
(apparently without any evidence to prove such) and repeatedly called
her a “serial arsonist” in his report.  So, based on this report
the prosecutor was not about to agree with CIP and agree to releasing
JoAnn in any manner.  This forced the CIP to file for an  hearing
with the court.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
court heard the case in 2016.  The CIP argued that in the original
trial that “investigators and the jury were misled by bad science,
or no science at all.”  The part that blows me away is that
apparently the state “admitted much of the evidence was false”
they still “ignored changes in science and opined that even with
the false evidence that evidence presented was true.”  Yes, those
were quotes and it is a lot of in my opinion, talking out both sides
of their mouths.  They were in essence saying.... yeah.... the
evidence may have been false.... but it was good evidence.  In the
end the judge “called it a case of a battle of the experts” and
the CIP lost.  They kept up their fight but it seemed they could not
get past basically how the judge ruled.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
CIP created what became known as “The California 12.”  It was a
list of twelve people who had been incarcerated that the CIP believed
were wrongly convicted.  It has been said that when JoAnn Parks was
released after the Governor had granted her clemency she became the
9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; of the twelve people to be release.  I cannot tell you
for certain how many of those people were or have been exonerated or
if they were simply released.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;One
of JoAnn&#39;s supporters had been a man by the name of Bob Lowe.  He was
a former Los Angeles fire department captain and an arson
investigator.  Bob would die before JoAnn was released but his wife
and children took over his fight for her.  In fact, upon her release
it appears that she had to first spend time in a place much like a
half way house and then the Lowe family planned to take her in.  It
is unclear whether the CIP will continue to fight for her complete
exoneration since their most recent loss has just occurred in August
of 2021 where once again the judge faced opposing experts.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
promise I am coming to an end here and I apologize for any mistakes
within.  I have had a lot going on in my life the last month and a
half and doing research  and then sticking with the case to get it
composed has been a challenge.  In fact, I initially had another case
researched first and it seemed to be taking me so long to get
everything together that I lost interest in it and that hinders me in
putting it together.  I almost got to that point with this case but I
really think it is an important case that should be heard.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
that note I want to add a few things.  I found a notation that Ron
and JoAnn divorced at some point and in 2009 he remarried.  He died
in 2011.  I also want to note that on Findagrave.com you can find the
stones of the children (as well as Ron also) along with a story. 
Within that story it is said that JoAnn suffered burns on her face
and hands due to the fire.  I found this interesting because from my
understanding, and most accounts, her story was that she opened her
bedroom door, saw the fire and knew she couldn&#39;t get back through so
she went out an outer door from her bedroom.  Some have argued that
leaving her own inner door open, and then possibly the outer door
also could have fed the fire, which helped it spread more.  I am not
here to determine if that is true, nor am I here to fault her for
that if it is true.  None of us were there and it was not our
children or even our home on fire.  We have no idea what we would do
and how we would react.  That being said I still am uncertain about
the burns.  Nothing I found, including the book, indicated that she
was treated for any burns at the scene or at the hospital later. 
While if she had burns on her body it may not completely vindicate
her, it also could have possibly given the defense more to work with.
 The prosecutors may have tried to argue that she received them while
setting the fire or even claim she had minor burns and caused them
purposely so it “looked like” she tried to reach her children,
the defense could have also likely worked with it also saying she
made an effort and could not reach them. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
I said in the beginning this is a case that as of now has “legally”
been solved but if you believe Ed Humes, it was a crime that never
was. It will likely always come down to what each individual person
believes.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Once
again I have come across a case that as I sit down to put things
together I am unsure what my opinion is on what occurred in the case.
 There is not a lot of information out there on this case and I was
forced to rely partly on comments made on some websites to which I
will, as always, let you, the reader know when things like this
occur.  Part of the reason that there is not a lot of information
about the crime itself or the victim is the fact that the person who
was convicted of the crime, Donald Ruby, was not only exonerated but
was said to be “factually innocent.”  There is still a dispute on
that apparently both from the public and from law enforcement.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;On
May 27, 1984 in Perry County Pennsylvania a cardboard box was found
along the shore of the Juniata River.  Inside the box was the torso
of a woman.  The legs had been removed at the knees; the arms had
been cut off at the shoulder and the head had been removed.  Neither
the limbs or head have ever been found.  About 10 months later there
was a small article in the local newspaper about how the torso was
preparing to be buried without identification when authorities
received a phone call.  The call was from a woman, that is clear, but
it is not clear if that woman claimed the body could be that of her
sister, sister-in-law or ex-sister-in-law, as I have seen all three
claims. The woman claimed that thirty-one year old  Edna Posey had
been missing for about that period of time.  The torso ended up being
identified as Posey through scars and birthmarks found that allegedly
matched her.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Many
say that this was the start of investigators having “tunnel vision”
and focusing in on Donald Ruby.  Ruby had been a scoutmaster for many
years and Edna Posey&#39;s son, Randy, had been a member of his troop. 
Edna Posey was said to have “fought mental illness and alcoholism
for years” and sometime in 1983 she had decided to go into
treatment and gave guardianship of her twelve-year old son to Donald
Ruby and his wife.  People who knew Edna said that, while a resident
of Maryland herself, she had gone to Ruby&#39;s home just days before her
body was found to get her son back. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;The
story goes that on May 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Edna went to Donald Ruby&#39;s
home.  Her son says that night the two of them fell asleep on the
couch together.  At some point in the middle of the night he said a
loud noise woke him up and he noticed his mother was no longer on the
couch. It took a year and a half but in September of 1986 Donald Ruby
was arrested and charged with first degree murder.  His trial was
conducted in February of 1987.  At the trial Randy testified about
not seeing his mother on the couch that first night but he also
testified to some other things.  He stated that there were two
occasions where he and Ruby had been “engaged in wrestling matches”
and he believed Ruby had become “sexually aroused.”  He also
stated that Ruby once took him to an adult bookstore and allegedly
asked him once if he could take pictures of him in the nude.  The
state called an FBI agent to the stand who profiled Ruby as a
pedophile based on Randy&#39;s testimony “and the fact that Ruby had
been a longtime scoutmaster.”  It was said that the defense did not
object to this witness or this testimony.  A forensic pathologist
stated that the autopsy indicated that Edna Posey had died between 18
and 30 hours before her body was found, which was not long after
going to Ruby&#39;s house.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
is unclear whether Donald Ruby testified in his own defense but at
some point he had told investigators that he had taken Edna Posey to
buy clothes on the 26&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; and then dropped her off at a
convenient store in Middletown about one that afternoon saying that
she said she was meeting someone.  He claimed that was the last that
he had seen her and that he had believed that she “had left and
gone back to Florida where she had been in a psychiatric facility.”
 What is known is that Donald&#39;s wife, Leigh testified at the trial. 
She claimed she was with Donald and Edna during the shopping day but,
prosecutors were able to prove that she was lying because they had
obtained her time card from work proving she had been there all day. 
She would later obviously have to admit that she was not with her
husband but said she thought she was “helping” him.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;There
was not a lot of forensics, but then again it was 1987.  There were
some questions about the box that the torso had been found in but
while there was apparently some sort of evidence that Ruby had used
the product that came in the box, it also appears it was very common.
 The jury convicted Donald Ruby and on March 31, 1987 he was given a
life sentence.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;The
case was appealed and in March of 1992 the court vacated the
conviction and ordered a new trial.  Something here happened that I
had not seen before, at least not in the manner in which I found it. 
I have talked a lot lately online about what the function of the
appeal courts as people are discussing the fact that both Johnny Depp
and Amber Heard have filed notice that they plan to appeal the
verdict in their case.  The general rule when it comes to appeals is
that the court decides if decisions made by the judge were accurate
and legal AND that the attorney at the trial had to object to the
ruling.  Appeals are not used to bring forth any new evidence, that
is a whole different part of the courts.  Since I did not see the
actual appeal papers I cannot say for certain but I believe that the
appeal in this case may have also included the claim of ineffective
counsel.  I say this because the reason the court vacated the
conviction was based on the fact that they believed the FBI agent
should have never testified and told the jury that he had basically
profiled Donald Ruby as a pedophile by saying he “fit the profile,”
for two reasons.  The first is that apparently he had come to this
conclusion based just on Randy&#39;s testimony and the fact that Ruby had
been a scoutmaster.  The other reason was that Ruby had never been
charged, or aside from Randy&#39;s testimony accused, much less convicted
of being a pedophile and telling the jury this information “cast a
light on him that he could have committed the murder.”  It was
noted that the defense attorney had not objected to this, and that
was noted which is why I believe it is possible that ineffective
counsel was also argued.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
May of 1993 Donald Ruby went back on trial.  This time the defense
had not just additional evidence, but evidence that disputed the
evidence presented by the state. A new expert testified that based on
pictures that were taken at the time that the torso had been found
and an analysis of blowfly eggs the time of death was not 18-30 hours
before the body was found as had been testified in the first trial
but closer to just a few hours prior.  They also determined this
based on the dew that was absent from the “swath” or path left
when the box had been slid down the hill to its resting place.  It
appears that they were able to determine that Donald Ruby was at his
home some ninety miles away at that time.  Other evidence presented
by the defense was DNA from semen recovered from the torso.  It was
said that there was evidence of three different men, and none
belonged to Donald Ruby.  I will touch on this again in a bit because
there has been controversy about whether these samples have ever been
tested again, or placed into the CODIS system.  On May 20, 1993
Donald Ruby was acquitted and released after serving more than six
years in prison.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
was said that Ruby&#39;s second trial “was one of the first, if not the
first, to use DNA in a criminal case in central Pennsylvania.”  At
the time of his release it was said that Ruby had “lost his family”
and did not have a “penny to his name.”  I did find something
that indicated that he had stated he had no plans to sue the state
for wrongful imprisonment and I have never seen anything that he has.
 This brings me to comments that I found on websites.  I may have
actually found this case after watching Forensic Files although
admittedly I do not remember the episode.  I did see comments
relating to this episode that stated the show had if not eluded to,
flat out called Edna Posey a “tramp.”  It seems there was a lot
of victim blaming in this case, at least after Ruby&#39;s exoneration and
the presence of multiple contributors of semen. It was also on one of
these sites that I found a comment that was allegedly written by
Randy Posey, Edna&#39;s son.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;According
to the poster that claimed to be Randy Posey, and I cannot confirm or
dispute it was actually him, investigators have told him that the DNA
semen samples were fairly degraded and there was not a lot left after
the initial testing.  He claimed that investigators indicated they
did not want to waste what was left unless or until they were
absolute certain they would get a match.  That being said, I
understand that, however what I am confused about is why the results
from the initial tests have not been provided and compared.  It was
also eluded to the fact that they possibly were inconclusive.  The
poster claimed that there was still a possibility that the semen
could have belonged to Ruby.  Keep in mind that this was not
something presented in court, or even a newspaper article, but from
an ordinary citizen on the Internet.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Some
may agree and/or believe that Donald Ruby is a pedophile but I cannot
say that I believe this with certainty.  I need more information than
what I have found here or was even determined for me to decide how I
feel about this.  I do agree with the courts that it should not have
been entered into the trial.  The theory by the prosecution was that
Ruby was infatuated with Randy and wanted to prevent Edna from taking
him and while I admit that a few things that he stated did not sit
well with me but again I need more information.  He never claimed
that Ruby had molested him.  It simply said that he “believed”
Ruby got “sexually aroused” when they wrestled a few times. 
Taking him to an adult bookstore was inappropriate but in the same
respect was maybe just a stupid move.  Then there is the issue where
Randy alleged that Donald Ruby asked to take naked pictures of him. 
I want to know when these statements were made to authorities and
were they all made at once.  Did Randy believe Donald Ruby had done
something to his mother and started saying things and when one thing
did not seem to get anywhere, did he add something else?  Now, I do
question where Randy was on May 26&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; when Donald claims
that he took Edna shopping.  It was a Saturday so one could not say
he was in school.  Donald&#39;s wife was at work.  But, this was his
mother, why did he not go with Donald and Edna?  He was clearly old
enough to stay home alone but would he have wanted to considering he
had apparently not seen his mother in quite some time?  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Did
the state have the right person and blew the investigation and the
trials?  Did the investigators, and then later the prosecution have
tunnel vision?  Were they just trying to close out the case?  For
that matter was the body even that of Edna?  I mean someone told
investigators about a scar and birthmarks and from my understanding
this was the only thing used for identification.  Did Donald, or
anyone he knew have the skill or skills to dismember a body?  That is
not something that is easily done.  Was there semen of three
different men found on the torso and if so why has this not been put
through CODIS and at least looked into?  All of these things seem
possible to me and in my opinion the blame for the fact that a woman
was obviously murdered lies with the state and the investigators.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
do not care if Edna Posey slept with every “Tom, Dick and Harry”;
I do not care if she had mental issues or was an alcoholic.  She did
not cut her own limbs and head off, nor did she deserve to be found
the way that she did.  Had she been found in tact and in the woods,
or in a field with a clear cause of death I think one could possibly
believe that it was a suicide or an accidental death but the fact
that she was dismembered means that someone else did that act.  And,
just like any other victim she deserves justice.  If that person was
not Donald Ruby then that should be known not just for her family but
so the person is punished and Donald Ruby no longer under suspicion. 
&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;This
is one of the few cases that I blog about that does not involve a
murder.  There was a “plan” for a death; there were other crimes;
there was even a dead body involved.  These things alone make the
case interesting.  However, the other side of this case is the almost
humor in the stupidity, arrogance and idiotic ideas of the
perpetrators.  The fact that they thought they could get away with
their crime seems so ridiculous.  I do not think the show exists any
more, I could be wrong, but there used to be a show called America&#39;s
Dumbest Criminals.  I completely believe that Clay and Molly Daniels
would be candidates to be on that show. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;On
June 18, 2004 authorities in Leander Texas were called.  My research
was not clear as to whether when called if there was a vehicle still
on fire, or even if it was hot at all.  In the end what they did find
was a Chevy Cavalier down in a ravine that had been burnt beyond
recognition.  The fire had burned so hot that even the metal on the
vehicle had began to melt away.  It was said that investigators
thought it was suspicious right away but of course they had to have
some more investigating done before deciding for sure.  They could
tell that someone had been in the vehicle but because the fire had
burned so heavily the head and the legs of the person were no longer
there, and all but ash.  There were no skid marks on the road leading
down to the ravine either.  It was possible that the person behind
the wheel had fallen asleep and had inadvertently driven down the
ravine, crashed and the car caught on fire. But, a few of the
officers had seen many car accidents and nothing compared to this
one.  None of it really seemed to make sense.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Investigators
were able to determine that the car belonged to Clay and Molly
Daniels, local residents.  They went to the couple&#39;s home and talked
to Molly. Molly told them that Clay had gone to his mother&#39;s home the
night before but had never returned.  Investigators would later say
that Molly seemed to be unusually calm about hearing that her
husband&#39;s car was in a ravine, had been burnt and that there had been
someone in it, someone who was now obviously dead.  It was said that
family members saw some items that somehow had survived the fire and
identified them as belonging to Clay.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Initial
identification by the coroner, based on the information they were
given also seem to identify the person from the car as Clay but I am
quite confused of this.  It was not just that my research indicated
that everyone simply believed that because it was Clay&#39;s car, and
some of his belongings that it was him, it said the coroner
positively identified the body as belonging to him.  It was said that
the body no longer had a a head or legs and presumably the hands were
likely too charred to obtain fingerprints so, in my opinion the only
way to positively identify the body would have been through DNA.  In
my opinion this should have been done before any positive
identification was released.  Not only would a DNA test tell the
coroner if the body belonged to Clay but as a Google search says the
“simplest thing that DNA can tell you” is if it is a man or a
woman.  It does seem that despite a positive identification by the
coroner at some point DNA was ran and compared to Clay&#39;s mother.  But
again.... remember, “the simplest thing that DNA can tell you” is
whether someone was a man or a woman.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;But,
while investigators had suspicions and had to wait further
investigation, Molly was moving on with her life.  Her co-workers had
gathered some money to help her out.  Molly even put out flyers
looking for a babysitter saying she was a recently widowed mother of
two.  She had a four year old son from a previous relationship,
although Clay was the only father he had ever known, and the couple
had a one year old daughter at the time of Clay&#39;s alleged death. 
Clay had mainly been a stay at home dad so now Molly needed someone
to watch the children.  Those in the community were sympathetic and
helpful.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;A
few weeks after Clay had allegedly (and by now I know you are
catching this phrase) died Molly began dating a man named Jacob
“Jake” Gregg.  It was clear that she had introduced Jake to her
son as her new boyfriend.  In reality Jake was Clay Daniels with dyed
hair.  It is unclear exactly who “Jake” was introduced to besides
the children.  It would seem unreasonable, but you can never tell
with this case, that he would have been introduced to anyone that
actually knew him prior to his supposed demise.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
the meantime DNA had been compared between Clay&#39;s mother and the body
found in the burned out vehicle. It was proven that they were not
related.  But, let me go back to where I talked about before about
how DNA absolutely can tell the gender of a person.  I can only
assume that at this point not only did they not find a genetic
connection between the body and Clay&#39;s mother, but they now knew that
the body in the vehicle was not even male.  I cannot tell you how and
when this plot was fully brought to light or exactly what
investigators had when they made arrests in this case.  I can only
tell you what they had in the end and the theories behind it.  One of
the theories involves a completely different crime which I will
obviously be getting into.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
can tell you that a search was done of Molly&#39;s home and of her
computer.  There was evidence that there had been ample effort made
to create a new identification, birth certificate, and Texas driver&#39;s
license for “Jacob Gregg.”  There were also searches done about
how to burn a body beyond recognition and how to fool arson
investigators.  Molly, and maybe Clay, would later admit that they
had done searches on people who had fairly recently been deceased and
buried in a local cemetery that was said to have a significant amount
of people who were indigent and had few family members.  Allegedly it
was her idea that the body used would be that of eighty-one year old
Charlotte Davis who had died in December of 2003, six months prior. 
Charlotte had been mentally and intellectually disabled all of her
life and so in Molly&#39;s thinking she at her age she did not have a lot
of close family members left who cared a lot about her or would
notice anything at her grave.  It is not clear if one or both of the
couple dug the grave.  There was some indication that Molly did it
alone but I am unsure that was possible.  The body was then put into
Clay&#39;s vehicle along with one of his hats and dressed in some of his
clothes.  Lighter fluid had been spread throughout, specifically
around the body and the car had been rolled down an embankment after
being lit. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Prosecutors
would say that the ploy was to obtain $110,000 in life insurance
money.  Defense attorney&#39;s, who could not argue really that their
clients were innocent argued that it was not the greed for the life
insurance money that was motive, but something else.  At the time of
all of this Clay was twenty-four years old.  It had been found that
when he was sixteen he had raped a seven year old cousin.  It was
years later that this crime had come to light and eventually he
pleaded guilty to aggravated sexual assault on a child.  Now, there
is some confusion as to what his sentence actually was.  One thing
stated that “under a deferred adjudication deal, he had to serve 30
days in jail to start on June 21, 2004 (just a few days after the car
fire) and then ten years on probation.”  It also pointed out that
he had to register as a sex offender.  However, other parts of my
research indicate that he initially was not to serve any jail time
and only had the probation and registration requirements but that he
had failed to report to his probation officer which had resulted in
the thirty day jail sentence.  Either way he was to report to the
jail on June 21&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt;, just three days after the car fire. 
Molly&#39;s defense argued that her motives behind the plot was keeping
her family together.  She “feared” according first to her lawyer
and then by her own words to the judge, that Clay having to register
as a sex offender would prevent him from being around their children.
 While so many others were speaking of the ignorance of not only the
plot itself but the fact that after they remained in the same area
and did not move away, the defense was arguing it was still about
keeping her family together.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;From
my understanding while both Clay and Molly pleaded guilty to their
charges, a jury still decided their sentence.  Molly pleaded guilty
to insurance fraud and hindering apprehension in May  2005,  while
Clay pleaded guilty to insurance fraud, arson and the desecration of
a body. Molly&#39;s jury decided to give her the maximum sentence of
twenty years for insurance fraud.  She was also given a ten year
sentence on the other charge to run concurrently and fined $10,000. 
After her sentencing her father told the media, “If I was on the
jury I might have gone for the max.  That might make me sound like a
bad father, but she did something really wrong.”  In fairness it
was said that he he had hoped she would get less but was not
surprised at the sentence.  It is not clear when she was released
from prison.  Her family became guardians of the children while she
was incarcerated.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Clay&#39;s
case is a bit more complicated.  While he too pleaded guilty for the
charges related to the faking of his death, he also still had the
issues relating to the sexual assault.  My information states that he
received a thirty year sentences and that “1/3 of the 30 year
sentence was in connection to a “probation” violation for the
assault.”  There were some that stated confusion on why he had
initially received the sentence that he did as he was facing up to
twenty-five years.  Apparently it is a mandatory twenty-five years if
the victim was under six.  This victim was only a few months past
that time.  But, when I went to the Texas Department of Corrections
website I became a bit more confused.  It states that he is currently
incarcerated with a “max out” date in December of 2034.  He was
eligible for parole starting in 2014 and his last denial occurred in
March of 2021.  His next hearing his in March of 2024. But, here is
where it gets confusing.  According to the website the sexual assault
apparently had occurred in July of 1997 and he was charged with two
counts of “aggravated sexual assault of a child” and a charge of
indecency with a child.  It states that he received 20 years for each
of those charges.  His max out date indicates the thirty-year
sentence he received in the faking of his death and related charges
so if he was later sentenced to twenty years for the sexual assault
it must be running concurrently (together).  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;As
I said in the beginning, these people should have been given an award
for being the dumbest criminals.  This was 2004, not 1954.  Forensic
technology may not have been what it is in 2022, but it definitely
was not ancient.  Aside from the stupidity of thinking that this
would work in the first place, there are so many other stupid (and
there is no other word I feel would be as fitting) moves made here. 
Lets start with the fact that they picked a female body.  They had no
way of knowing just how much of that body would burn even by using an
accelerator and how identifiable it would be, let alone DNA testing
being run.  I mean they had the means and know how to search things
like making new identifications, plastic surgeons in Mexico and how
to fool arson investigators but they did not search enough to see how
easily a body could be identified? I mean, lets be real here, not
that it would have been a valid argument but if they at least had a
male body and the DNA did not match Clay&#39;s mother they could argue
that he was switched at birth or adopted.... or something.  The fact
that it was a female body just blows my mind.  Then, the whole idea
that they stayed in the exact same area and reintroduced him to her
son as someone else, again, blows my mind.  It was said that Molly
believed that Clay had been “railroaded” in the molestation case
but he pleaded guilty to those charges.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;While
what Clay and Molly did was disgusting in and of itself and obviously
what they did was a crime but I am thankful that it was not a worse
crime.  However, I think they showed that being master criminals is
not something they were capable of being.  They were caught very
quickly and I have no doubt they would have no matter the crime they
attempted to commit.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
am pretty sure this is one of the cases that I discovered while
watching “Forensic Files,” which is in my opinion one of the best
true crime shows.  Unlike other shows this one is only thirty minutes
long so there is little time to be bias and it fully sticks to the
facts.  They have portions where they interview people of course but
again, it is full of facts.  You can generally find the episodes
fairly easy through different streaming apps, including YouTube so if
you have not seen this show and you like true crime, which if you are
here I suspect you do, it is worth checking out.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Helen
“Marlene” Oakes had been married to Bill Major for about nine
years in 1980.  They had married when she was sixteen and he was
about twenty-seven.  By 1980 they had two children, eight year old
Donald and four year old LaLana and were living in Verona Kentucky.
It was said that both Marlene and Bill were known to see other people
through their marriage.  In fact, it was well known that Marlene was
involved with a man named Glen St. Hillaire.  He lived on their
property and worked with Bill but even Glen says that Bill encouraged
the relationship.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;My
research says that in 1975 Bill had been convicted for the
molestation of two boys.  This obviously happened while he and
Marlene were married but I did not find any more information about
this conviction, including how much time he was given in prison, if
in fact he served any time.  My assumption is that this may explain
the four years in between the ages of their two children.  I also
have no information about what Marlene may have thought about this
but it seems apparent that they remained together.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Sometime
around September or October of 1980 Marlene that she had caught Bill
sexually molesting their son and she apparently “lost it.”  She
reported it in her diary, something she did with everything, and gave
it to Glen to hold on to.  She confronted Bill and let him know she
was planning to divorce him.  She wrote later in her diary that Bill
agreed to sign the divorce papers if the abuse was not made public. 
She wrote that if he changed his mind she would tell her
mother-in-law (although at least one report says she said her
sister-in-law).  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;On
October 11, 1980 Marlene talked to her sister twice.  In the first
conversation she told her sister her plans to divorce and about the
abuse.  She also told her that she had proof of this and that if
something happened to her that the authorities would get the
information and that it was somewhere that Bill would never find it. 
Presumably she was talking about the diaries that were now in Glen&#39;s
possession.  She called her sister back later and told her that she
and Bill had had an argument she was upset but apparently it was not
the last argument of the night.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
was said that Marlene and Bill were arguing and Glen was apparently
around when it started because it was said that he left to “cool
off.”  It was not made clear whether he had been involved in the
argument or just a bystander.  When he returned to the property in
the early morning hours he noticed that Bill was home.  Marlene&#39;s car
was gone and when Glen talked to Bill he was told that Marlene had
left and took the children with her.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
was not until a few days later that Glen learned that Bill had taken
the children to a neighbor&#39;s home and told them that Marlene had left
and abandoned the children.  He then sold several firearms to another
neighbor and had expressed that he planned to move back to his native
Rhode Island.  It is unclear whether Glen or Bill contacted the
police first but around the same time they both contacted
authorities.  It was said that Bill reported Marlene missing while
Glen technically did the same, he also filled investigators in on
other things too, including Marlene&#39;s diaries.  A search was made but
authorities did not seem to feel as if anything was off.  It seems
however, that the only two things gone were Marlene and her car. 
Even her driver&#39;s license had been left at the home.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
is not clear what was done at that time or what investigators
believed.  But apparently Bill did in fact move to Rhode Island and
took Donald and LaLana with him. On November 29, 1981 a hunter was
out on some land at a farm about a mile away from where Bill and
Marlene had lived when he came across the partial remains of a skull.
 They were able to determine that the skull likely belonged to a
white female, approximately thirty years old (Marlene was
twenty-five) and that she had died from multiple gunshot wounds. The
skull or at least the portion found did not have any teeth and at
that point there was no way to identify the remains.  Over the years
some suspected that it was Marlene but as DNA made strides there were
different reasons that it could not be checked because of the
deterioration of the bones.   &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
the meantime Bill was living in Rhode Island and had remarried.  The
children, who were living with Bill and his new wife, not only lost
their mother, but a new nightmare began.  While there had been the
allegation from Marlene&#39;s diary about Bill abusing their son, Donald,
it was in Rhode Island where he not only abused Donald, but also his
daughter, LaLana.  It was said that he would take the children with
him to work and sexually and physically abuse them. In 1984 Bill&#39;s
second wife went to authorities after the children had come to her
with their claims.  They claimed that Bill would tell them each that
if they ever told anyone he would kill their sibling.  The police
came to the house to investigate and it was said that just days later
he threatened LaLana at gunpoint to “keep her mouth shut.”  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
1985 Bill was convicted in Rhode Island for the abuse of his
children.  He was given a fifteen year sentence and his children went
back to Kentucky to live with Marlene&#39;s mother.  It is unclear
whether she formally adopted the children but I can say that at some
point Donald began using the Oakes surname.  Whether LaLana did also
is unclear as it appears the name I have found her under is a married
name but I can only assume that she too took her mothers maiden name.
 Marlene&#39;s mother apparently never held back the fact that she
believed her daughter not only was dead, but that Bill had murdered
her.  At some point she shared these beliefs with LaLana.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Although
he was sentenced to fifteen years Bill served eleven years in Rhode
Island and he was then sent directly to Kentucky where initially he
was to face charges related to his abuse against his son.  Although
he was held for a bit, I was unable to determine how long, charges
were dropped when first authorities realized there was a statue of
limitations on the charges and they did not feel they had enough
evidence.  But while he was being retained in Kentucky he had a
conversation on the phone with his father.  It said that the calls
were not recorded. For me this fact seemed very odd to me until I
thought about it being in Kentucky.  I currently know of someone who
is and has been in a county jail in Kentucky, which I am likely sure
that Bill would have been, and while I cannot say that they do not
record phone calls, I can say that their mail is “uncensored” and
when approached about it they say they cannot stop something from
being mailed to a particular address, which I also find odd but would
make sense that the calls were said not to be recorded when Bill was
in jail.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;That
being said, Bill&#39;s father claimed to authorities that he had
confessed to murdering Marlene when they talked on the phone. 
Authorities knew that this alleged confession would not be enough to
file charges and it was said there was “significant animosity”
between father and son.  My research then said that in March of 2000
Bill&#39;s father agreed to let his phone tapped and they had a
conversation.  My initial information indicated that this call was
the “gotcha moment” and it led to Bill&#39;s arrest for murder.  But,
according to an appeals paper I found it sounded as if Bill did not
trust his father&#39;s motives in the call and expressed that.  In the
call it was said that Bill had admitted to his father that he had
previously admitted to the murder but he blamed it on the fact he was
incarcerated at the time and emotionally unstable at the time of the
confession.  Bill and Marlene&#39;s daughter, LaLana stated that sometime
after Bill&#39;s incarceration she confronted Bill about murdering her
mother.  She claims that he stated “if you think I&#39;m going to tell
you where your mother is buried, you&#39;re crazy.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;LaLana
had become focused on finding her mother and finding out the truth. 
It was said that she was able to fully see the files that
investigators had compiled and she basically did her own
investigating.  She had long learned about the skull that had been
found not long after her mother had “disappeared.”  She talked to
investigators about what it would take to get testing done.  It seems
that it was not going to be just as easy as obtaining DNA but it was
about comparing it to LaLana.  There seemed to be an issue initially
whether the state would pay for the testing, and it was sent for
mitochondrial DNA along with a DNA sample from LaLana.  In early 2001
it was reveals that the skull was a “maternal relation” to
LaLana. There seemed to be no question that the skull belonged to
Marlene.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
July 2001 Bill Major was official charged with the murder of his
wife, Marlene and with tampering with evidence. Soon after his arrest
Bill confessed, although like many murderers I do not know that his
story was completely true.  He told investigators that he and Marlene
had argued in her car and that she had pulled a gun on him.  He said
they struggled, he took the gun from her and “lost it” firing it
at her until it was empty.  He said he took the body to the farm in
which the skull was found, and dumped her into a sinkhole, covering
it with dirt and pieces of rolled fencing.  He stated he tossed the
weapon in a nearby pond and pushed her car into the Ohio River near a
ferry.  He even drew a map to where he left her remains and yet still
nothing but that portion of the skull was found.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Truthfully
I am unsure how much of that story I believe.  It is possible he shot
her while in the car but he would have been covered in blood and it
does not seem that he was gone a super long time and seems odd he
would not have missed something.  If it was her car then one can
assume that she was in the driver&#39;s seat but he would have had to
move the body to drive it away.  Not to mention after doing all that
he said unless he had help, which I never found evidence referring to
this, he would have had to walk back to another vehicle somewhere,
and again, he would likely have been covered in blood.  Also, I do
not necessarily believe that he dumped her body the way that he
stated.  It was learned that Bill had allegedly told several people,
including Glen St. Hillaire, that if Marlene tried to end their
relationship that he would murder her and had gone into details of
how he would remove her teeth to make her body “unidentifiable.” 
&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Despite
his confession and other things when it came time to plead in the
court he pleaded not guilty and took the case to trial. He had
suffered a stroke in 1995 and was in a wheelchair at his trial. The
jury took less than an hour to come to a guilty verdict and on July
28, 2003 Bill was sentenced to life in prison.  But, in 2005 a
appeals court reversed his conviction and sentencing.  They did so
because LaLana had testified about the abuse she suffered from her
father and the threat he had made to her after things came to light
in Rhode Island.  Donald also testified to the abuse he suffered in
both Kentucky and Rhode Island.  The courts believed that the abuse
suffered by the children in Rhode Island should not have been brought
into the trial.  Of course the abuse that Donald was said to have
suffered in Kentucky played a key role, although Bill was never
convicted for that.  There was also evidence about firearms that the
court said should not have been admitted because they were “factually
unconnected” to the crime charged.  I assume this was a reference
to the firearms he sold to the neighbor just after Marlene had gone
missing.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Bill
was re-tried on the charges and was once again found guilty.  He was
given a life sentence for the murder and five years on the tampering
with evidence charge.  A 2009 appeal upheld the conviction and
sentencing.  On October 15, 2018 Bill Major died at the age of
seventy-three in prison. It seems that no one claimed his body and he
is buried at the State Reformatory Cemetery in Kentucky.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
have about three passions in life, true crime, genealogy and history.
 I admit that I am not an expert in any of these fields and I also
admit that when it comes to history I am least interested in the
World War II era.  I do not know why, maybe it is the whole Hitler
aspect, but I am least interested in that era. But, when it comes to
civil rights and things like that I at least thought I knew quite a
bit.  I of course know about the cases such as Emmett Till, Medgar
Evers and such. Apparently I had heard about Willie McGee or his name
would not have made it to my list but I am unsure how much I knew. 
In my list it simply says “Willie McGee-Executed 1951.”  I admit
that even when I go through the list I do not go through every one of
them each time so today was the first time I had really dug into the
case.  It is possible that previously when going through the list I
just simply was not in the mood to do a case that involved execution.
 This makes me a bit sad because while yes, this is a case about an
execution, it is also about so very much more.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;This
became one of those rare cases where I started putting together the
story and when I went back to check some research to clarify some
things that I ended up not only doing more research, but that
research drastically changed the way that I felt about the case and I
ended up erasing all that I had put together.  It is a case that it
appears that there are strong feelings on both sides of this case. 
Some believe an innocent man was executed; some believe sadly that he
got what he deserved. Was Willie McGee innocent of the charges of
rape?  I cannot say for sure but I do believe two things. While I
cannot say necessarily that I do not believe anyone should be execute
for the charge of rape, I think it should be one of extreme violence
that causes, again, extreme, injuries.  And, as with all cases that
involve execution I think there needs to be absolute proof and
certainty that the person executed was guilty.  So, while I cannot
tell you if Willie McGee was innocent, I can tell you that I believe
he was executed unjustly.  And, that belief is based solely on the
evidence of the crime.  That being said, I also believe that a large
reason as to why he was executed had to do with his race.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;I
do not know how many of you believe in “signs” so to speak.  I am
one of those people who believe that things happen for a reason, even
if we do not know the reason.  It felt a little eerie when I went
through to do my second round of research on this case. I had come
across a story written by an author who had been doing research on
this case.  He spoke to many people who knew the characters in this
story and a few who had actually witnessed things.  I like the
approach that he took.  Like myself, he was simply gathering
information and then trying to put it together the best he could and
make some sense out of it.  He spoke about the age of some of the
participants that he spoke to and admitted that at some points he
would be on the fence about whether their recollections were
accurate, but then in many areas found things to collaborate their
stories.  I will get more into that later, but while I was reading
this story two things jumped out to me.  First, while this case took
place in Mississippi in 1945, one of the daughters of the alleged
victim in the case has spoken and mentioned that in the early 1940&#39;s
during World War II the family had lived in Evansville Indiana, the
town I currently live in.  She mentioned that she could not recall
exactly when the family moved back to Mississippi but she did know
that her youngest sister had been born here..... on February 24,
1944.  I too was born here, although I spent most of my life out of
the area, on February 24, 1972.  For me I guess the sign was that I
was supposed to find this story because in the end it did kind of
change my perspective on things.  But, let us get into the story and
let you decide what you think.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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the early morning hours of November 2, 1945 married mother of three,
Willette Hawkins reported that she had been inside her home with her
family, asleep next to her youngest child when a black man broke into
her home and attacked and raped her in her bed in Laurel Mississippi.
 The following day a man named Willie McGee was arrested, not for
rape but on charges of grand larceny.  He worked for a grocery
company and apparently he had taken the money from at least one of
the jobs, bought some alcohol and gambled and lost the rest of it. 
He had also taken the employee truck with him.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
was alleged that two of McGee&#39;s friends had told authorities that he
had been in the area of the Hawkins home around the time of the
reported rape.  It was also said that shortly after his arrest that
McGee made some sort of confession. Apparently it seems that in his
first talk with police and a theme that was carried on throughout the
case was said that McGee had stated that he and Hawkins had a
consensual affair.  This thought and theme went down into history as
being at least possibly true, and part of the reason for that is that
it made it into the newspapers.  It was never brought up in court
because his attorney&#39;s stated that being in the south, in front of
all white juries, they never thought it would be believed.  This is
quite possibly true.  There were people then, and people today, who
believe/d that at that time a white woman would never have sex with a
black man willingly.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;From
things that I have read, it seems that Willette Hawkins could not
fully identify the man she says raped her.  I will get into what she
said occurred, where others in her home were located and what
neighbors would say later, but again, from my understanding she was
not specific as to who the man was and there were indications that
she never positively identified Willie McGee.  So, beyond a strange
confession that was allegedly heard by the county attorney and “other
members of the local political power structure” I am completely
uncertain what evidence there was against him.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;It
appears that he was charged on November 9, 1945 for the rape charges.
 On December 3, 1945 it was said he was indicted on the grand larceny
as well as the rape charges.  It also says that he entered a plea of
not guilty.  This is where things get crazy, or more crazy I should
say, in my opinion.  It appears that within DAYS of the indictment
McGee&#39;s first, of what would ultimately be three trials began.  From
all indications it was a one day trial and it took the jury two and a
half minutes to deliberate before finding him guilty and he was
sentenced to death.  The odd thing is that in my research I found no
information discussed about the rape in the first trial.  It was as
if it focused on the grand larceny charges.  National Guard troops
had to escort him to and from the jail and court because there were
many rumors of lynch mobs consisting of white supremacists. The case
was appealed and the Mississippi Supreme Court overturned the
conviction saying that the court had failed to consider a change of
venue out of Laurel.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;McGee&#39;s
second trial took place in November of 1946.  This one was moved to
Hattiesburg.  As was the case with the first trial this jury too was
full of white jurors.  This time the jury took eleven minutes to come
to a verdict of guilty.  Once again McGee was sentenced to death. 
But again, the verdict was overturned when the court ruled that
people of color had purposely been excluded from serving on the jury.
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;A
third trial began in February of 1948.  It was said that “for the
first time in Jones County history, African Americans were
registered” to be jurors.  But still none actually served on the
jury.  Decades later it would be reported that “one of the
prosecutors allegedly boasted that they had changed the roll of grand
jurors to falsely include two black doctors whom they knew would
remain silent.”  So, if true, while it looked like they were not
excluded on paper, people of color were still excluded.  But, that
would not be revealed until it was all too late.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Let&#39;s
start and examine the prosecution and what they presented.  The
prosecution put both Willette Hawkins and her husband Troy on the
stand.  As I mentioned earlier it was said that Willette claimed that
the man had come through a window in the house and had attacked her. 
She claimed that she believed the man had a knife and that he had
threatened to kill her and her family if she made a noise.  Troy
testified that he and Willette had been up until well past four in
the morning because their youngest daughter, who was less than two
year old, was six.  When he went to bed he testified he went to a
bedroom in the back of the house.  The media reported as if the room
was simply right next to the room in which Willette was attacked but
the article I mentioned earlier went into more detail after one of
Willette and Troy&#39;s daughters had spoken out.  The room that Troy
slept in was not right next to the room she was in and added to the
fact that she stated the attacker threatened her if she made noise it
gave some more credence to her story than the media had allowed. 
Aside from that and evidence of his alleged confession I cannot say
that anything else was presented, and keep in mind that I mentioned
earlier that it seemed apparent that she was unable to positively
identify her attacker, let alone that it was Willie McGee.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;As
far as the defense goes from my understanding in my research they did
not present any witnesses and did very little cross examining of the
state witnesses.  However, with that being said there was a bit of a
twist.  A woman who stated her name was Rosalee McGee.  She had given
a sworn statement to the court stating she was Willie&#39;s wife and the
mother of his children.  She would say that she knew of the affair
between Willie and Willette.  While this was allegedly given to the
court, it does not seem that it was presented in court considering my
information stated the defense offered basically nothing and there
were specific references that the idea of there being an affair
between the two was not presented as it would not be believed. 
Rosalee was not Willie&#39;s wife, in fact her name was not even Rosalee.
 It was discovered later that her name was actually Rossetta Saffold.
 It is unclear what connection she may have had to Willie prior to
the case or if she was simply sympathetic of his situation.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;When
he was arrested Willie was legally married and had four children with
his wife, Eliza Jane.  But, they had separated in 1942 and after his
arrest Eliza Jane filed for divorce. Eliza Jane first moved the
children away from the area but apparently still in Mississippi and
then eventually moved them to the Las Vegas area where people of
color were treated much better.  Although life for Eliza Jane and her
children remained in turmoil.  In 1958 their twenty-two year old
daughter Gracie died from a gunshot wound when she was injured trying
to break up a fight.  Eliza Jane remarried in 1959 and sometime in
1963 or 1964 she was murdered by her second husband.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Willie
McGee&#39;s third trial would never be overturned.  No one really
expected that it would be.  The Governor of the state, Feilding White
was a known white supremacist and segregationist so no one ever
expect when the courts stopped being supportive that White would step
in and change things.   On May 8, 1951 what was called “the
traveling execution chair” was brought to the courthouse in Laurel
Mississippi, where he had first been convicted, and constructed.  In
front of a crowd, thirty-five year old Willie McGee was executed for
the crime of rape by the state of Mississippi.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Now,
as I stated early on, I came across some late information that
changed the tone of how I was feeling about this case.  Let me be
clear in the fact that I do not believe that Willie McGee, guilty, or
innocent of rape, should have been executed for that crime.  First, I
do not think the crime warranted an execution.  Secondly, I fully
believe that his execution had to do with his race.  I did find
evidence that the prosecutor had sought the death penalty for at
least one white man accused of rape around the same time period.  The
man, Laverne Yarbrough was convicted of raping a young black girl.
But, the all white jury that he had chose to give him a life
sentence.  Thirdly, as a reader you have heard me often say that I am
neither necessarily for or against the death penalty but I believe it
should only be used for the “worse of the worse” and when there
are absolutely no questions as to who was involved.  From everything
I have gotten that was not the case here.  There were no reports
about any sort of forensics like fingerprints or anything else, and
remember, Willette could not say for certain Willie was her attacker.
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
the same respect, it appears that the newspapers at the time began a
campaign against Willette.  She was harassed and taunted, as was her
husband.  One of the biggest problems is that many inaccuracies about
the situation made it into the newspapers and then they made it into
legend.  Legend was that Troy Hawkins was in the room right next to
his wife when she was allegedly attacked and he heard nothing. 
Reality is that he was much further than simply right next door.  The
newspapers were reporting it was a consensual relationship and that
when Willette got “caught” she “cried rape.”  But article I
found late in my research put a new light on things.  The interviewer
had talked to Willette and Troy&#39;s children.  The oldest daughter
recalled being about eight years old at the time and stated she still
remembered when her mother had began screaming and running through
the house.  In her account her father was closely following her but
her account seemed to end there, at least about the night.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;A
man who was a teenager in 1946 says that he had gotten up early to go
to work before school when he heard Willette screaming and crossing
the street, completely naked.  He says she came to their back door
asking for his mother.  His mother placed her in his bed, since he
was already up, to comfort her and by his account it was indicated
that it was his mother who took Willette to the hospital to be
examined.  The neighbor did not mention Troy in his account.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;The
newspaper claimed that Troy was a “traveling salesman” but
according to the daughters at the time of the attack Troy worked
second shift at the post office and was home when the attack
happened.  Allegedly they were sleeping in separate rooms that night
after being up until “sometime after four in the morning” when
their youngest child was sick. The daughters also went through the
family history.  I have spoke about the rumors of this being a
consensual sexual relationship.  While apparently it was not in the
courts someone, somewhere, whether it was the fictional (unknown to
be at the time) wife or Willie himself had allegedly spoke of
specific incidents.  Two things stuck out.  One was the time period
in which the alleged affair had taken place.  The family had left
Mississippi during World War II and moved to Evansville Indiana where
Troy worked at a factory and their youngest daughter was born.  The
daughter was not certain when they for sure had moved back to
Mississippi but one thing she was certain about, and the interviewer
was able to talk to others and confirm, was that their mother had
never learned to drive or had a driver&#39;s license.  This also goes
against the stories told about the affair because apparently at least
one involved Willette allegedly driving.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
is said that if you go to Laurel Mississippi today and speak to those
who know about this case you will hear that a majority of white
people believe that Willie McGee was guilty of rape.  Whether they
believe he deserved to be executed is a different question that I am
unsure how people feel.  But, most of the black people in Laurel
believe that there was a consensual affair between the two.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;But,
the article I read come up with a third option.  Willette&#39;s daughters
did speak about how after the attack their mother fell into a deep
depression and her personality severely changed.  It was even said
that she became dependent on alcohol.  I had found my way to this
article after being curious about the fact that Willette had died on
March 25, 1967 at the age of fifty-three and her husband Troy died a
few days later on April 2&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt;.  It is not uncommon for
couple to die fairly close together but they were both still in their
fifties which did make it unusual.  At first the article indicated
that the daughters said that Willette was a sickly woman and had
medical issues but it was not there that I learned the cause of her
death.  It was later when the interviewer talked to a older lady in
the community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;The
interviewer admitted that while talking to the elderly lady, who was
in her 80&#39;s or 90&#39;s, he wondered how much of her recollection was
true.  She had claimed to know both Willette Hawkins and Willie McGee
around the time of the attack and the trials.  The interviewer knew
that her recollection of how Willette looked physically was off which
added to his skepticism. But, the woman had a theory.  She thought
Willie McGee was innocent.  She claims that on the night of the
alleged attack and into the early morning McGee was out gambling (his
employers money) with her brother.  She completely discounted the
consensual relationship theory too.  In fact, while she does not
believe technically that Willette was raped at all, she does believe
that Willette believed she had.  According to the woman prior to the
alleged attack Willette suffered from violent, realistic nightmares
and it is her belief that this occurred on that night.  As I said the
interviewer was a bit skeptical even about how much the woman knew
the family and then after visiting with Willette&#39;s daughters again he
came across a picture that showed this woman with the children and it
had her name on it.  The woman had also mentioned the topic that had
brought me to the article to begin with. Apparently the reason
Willette and Troy died so close together, and at a relatively young
age was that they had been involved in a car accident.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;For
me, I think I also have to discount the consensual relationship
theory.  That is not to say that I believe Willie McGee raped
Willette Hawkins, or had any relationship with her at all.  So that
would bring the question as to why Willie would say this at all.  I
believe that it had to do with the times.  First and foremost we need
to remember that this was the deep south in the Jim Crow era.
Interrogations were done differently than they are today anyways,
regardless of who the person was.  Investigators could literally do
or say whatever they wanted to get a confession from someone.  There
was never an idea in that era that someone would give a false
confession.  To add to this people of color were literally considered
less than.  I was going to say “second class citizens” because
that is what you hear but I do not think that adequately describes
how they were treated at that time, especially in the deep south. 
Lets be fair here, we all know the “back of the bus” and separate
water fountains and bathroom things but a person of color was to look
at the other drivers at an intersection and if there was a white
person at one of them they automatically got the right-a-way. 
Couples were not allowed to express PDA in public because it “made
white people uncomfortable.”  People of color were easily, easily,
blamed and “framed” more or less for things.  It is more than
likely that the investigators physically assaulted Willie through his
interrogation or at the very least there was the threat of physical
abuse.  In his mind he may have thought, regardless of his guilt or
innocence, that if he admitted being with her he would avoid a
beating and maybe have his best chance at a defense.  It would also
mean that he was not admitting to committing a violent rape. That
being said, as I have mentioned, this was not brought up at the trial
because the defense did not believe that the jurors would believe it.
As I mentioned earlier, I think this is a valid point.  The thoughts
of the day was that basically no “self respecting” white woman
(of which Willette seemed to be) would have willingly had sex with a
man of color.  So had that been said at the trial there was the
possibility they could have angered the jury more because they would
have thought he was lying, on top of being a rapist.  It is likely
that the defense relied on the lack of evidence and identification
and hoped beyond hope the jury would see things differently than they
evidently did.  They likely knew if they saw him also as a liar who
they also believed he was guilty that he would have absolutely been
given the death penalty.  Without the added ire they at least had a
chance that the death penalty would not be imposed.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
was said that of all the people who were chastised throughout these
proceedings and after, it was Willette Hawkins who received the most
backlash.  Her daughters spoke of how not only was she traumatized by
the events of that night, real or imagined, they were real to her,
but also by the media and the perception made of her that somehow
made it into legend. She was portrayed as a liar who was responsible
for the death of an innocent man.  According to her daughter
Willette&#39;s personality completely changed after the attack.  She had
issues with sleeping and doctors gave her medications that apparently
did not work and then suggested that beer at night would help her. It
was alleged that this led her to become an alcoholic near the end of
her life.  In fact the day after Willie&#39;s execution a newspaper
published a front page article that said, “Willie McGee was
murdered because the white woman who had forced an illicit affair
upon him for more than four years suddenly shouted “rape” after
the whole town discovered the story.”  It was said that Willette
sued over this but it is not clear what happened in that case.  I
have not been able to discover where the newspaper got that
information. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
seems unreal that if the “whole town” knew about the affair that
no one else, or someone credible, came forward with this information
to the court.  I get that it was “Jim Crow South” with their
backwards rules and thinking but surely not everyone in that town
felt that way.  Then again, it was also a time of “minding your own
business” and maybe someone did not want to get involved or feared
the backlash of supporting Willie McGee.  I suppose some could argue
this is why despite the conviction Willette was chastised. For me
though, and maybe it is just wishful thinking and hoping for the good
out of people, if the whole town knew about this alleged affair why
did it still take the jury only two and a half minutes to decide he
was guilty and sentence him to death?  Despite how any of those on
the jury felt about people of color I question if they knew about the
affair that they would have sentenced him to death. I do not think
they would have had qualms about giving him a life sentence, but I
would think at least a few of them would have feared the wrath of God
if they condemned a man to death for a crime they personally knew he
was not guilty of committing.  So no, I do not think the “whole
town” knew anything.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;font-style: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Doing
this case has given me a whole new perspective on this era.  I did
not and do not consider myself to be an ignorant person by any means
but this case showed me that there is so much more to learn about the
history of our fellow citizens.  In my personal opinion while there
are those in this country that seem to think we should not teach this
sort of history to our children, I disagree.  I think we all need to
know and understand this history.  I think white children need to
know how less than people of color were treated and understand why
the 1960&#39;s was full of civil right movements; I think children of
color should know, understand and respect how their ancestors were
treated and how they fought for them to have a better life when they
could.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;So,
I walked into my research on this one thinking that at worse I would
have the issues that I often face doing a very, very old crime where
dates and stories conflicted from read to read.  I thought this case
was pretty cut and dry... there was a mass murder, there was a
perpetrator... the end.  But thankfully for both you and I, I do not
just stop at just a few things.  I will dig and dig, sometimes to the
point that I have to force myself to stop, this is just such a case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;This
case happened in 1920 and is still considered to be the worse mass
murder incident in North Dakota.  It is also alleged that “this is
believed to be the fastest administration of justice on record in any
state” and I cannot be sure I disagree, at least from a legal
sense.  Whether justice was actually served is apparently up for
debate.  A book was released in 2010 called The Murder Family by
Vernon Keel.  I have checked my local library to see if I could
manage to find this book and so far I have not had any luck. 
Apparently Keel is from the area where this crime took place and has
done extensive research on this case. In fact, I read something in
which he alleges an alternate suspect in this case but to be fair,
without reading the book I have no idea how he came to this
conclusion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;On
April 24, 1920 a man by the name of John Kraft noticed that the same
laundry had been hanging on the line at the Jacob Wolf Farm in Turtle
Lake North Dakota for two days.  Some reports say that as he headed
to the house he heard a noise from the barn and so he went there
first.  Other reports say that John&#39;s wife was with him and they had
heard a baby cry inside the home and went there first.  Regardless of
whether Kraft was alone, or in what order he went around the property
what he found does not change.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Jacob
Wolf was considered to be a well-known, fairly well-liked it seems
and a prosperous farmer in the area.  He lived with his wife, Beata
(sometimes spelled Beatta) and their six daughters.  It appears that
not only did he own his farm but he owned another piece of land not
far from the farm.  In between his farm and the other land was a farm
owned by a man  named Joseph Meyer and just north of the other piece
of land was a farm owned by Henry Layer.  It would later be said that
Jacob had told another friend a few weeks prior to April 22&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;nd&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;
that a “vengeful neighbor might do him harm” but the friend did
not get the name of the neighbor, what the issue had been or even
took it seriously.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;So
now, on April 24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;
John Kraft was walking into a horror story.  In the barn he would
find the bodies of forty-one year old Jacob Wolf, his ten year old
daughter Maria (also saw her name as Mary) and eight year old
daughter Edna.  They had apparently been shot and then covered by
dirt and hay.  Next he went into the house.  It is not clear whether
he went into the bedroom first where 8 month old Emma was found in
her crib, alive or whether he looked down the cellar door and saw
five more bodies.  In the cellar was thirty-five year old Beatta, her
daughters, thirteen year old Bertha, six year old Lydia and three
year old Martha.  Sprawled across them was the body of thirteen year
old Jacob Hofer, often described as a farmhand.  All but Martha, like
those in the barn, had been shot.  Martha had been killed with a
hatchet.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;It
was said that the baby, Emma, was cold, weak and hungry when she was
found.  There also apparently was a rumor that she had seemed to be
perfectly fine as if someone had been changing her and feeding her
but apparently, Vernon Keel, who I mentioned earlier claims that he
found no evidence of this.  Emma was taken to a neighbor until her
aunt, Christina Hofer, her mother&#39;s sister came and got her.  Emma
would be raised by Christina and her husband, Emanuel until about the
eighth grade when the couple both began to have failing health.  I
will get more into her life story in a bit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;The
sheriff was notified but because of the magnitude of the crime it was
not feasible for him to investigate it alone so the chief of police
from Bismarck was contacted.  The problem was that the chief, who was
apparently bringing in more investigators, could not arrive until the
following day. Not only did the scene need to be secure until the
others got there, but apparently protocol was that the bodies were
not to be moved until the investigation was done.  So that night the
sheriff, along with three neighbors, all apparently related to Beatta
stayed at the farm.  One of the men was Emanuel Hofer.  Not only was
he married to Beatta&#39;s sister but Jacob Hofer, the farmhand, was his
brothers son.  The four men stayed the night keeping watch and as
dawn was about to break the three neighbors decided to go to Hofer&#39;s
farm and get breakfast.  They agreed to bring breakfast and coffee
back to the sheriff who continued to stand watch.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Not
long after the men left the sheriff heard a car come up the road and
stopped at the farmhouse.  It is likely the sheriff was waiting to
see what the man in the car was going to do before he exposed
himself.  The man got out and started looking through the windows of
the house.  That is when the sheriff made himself known.  Initial
indications in my research made it sound as if the sheriff did not
know who the man was but that sees odd to me as the town was small
and you would think he would have known everyone.  The other reason I
find this odd is because after getting the mans name, Henry Layer,
when the other men returned later he asked if they had driven past
Layer&#39;s farm on the way home.  The theory became that Layer would
have recognized Hofer&#39;s car and believing he, along with the others
had left the scene it was safe for him to go there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;At
any rate according to the sheriff over the next close to two hours he
and Layer spoke but Layer never removed a hand from one of his
pockets.  Later it was said that Layer “kept pointing out obvious
things to the sheriff.”  After the other men returned and the
sheriff had eaten the sheriff had taken Emanuel Hofer off to the side
and confirmed his suspicion that he had driven by the Layer farm
earlier that morning.  Later Layer suggested that they go look for
eggs in the barn, which considering the situation was described as
“absurd” but the men decided to see where this went.  One of the
men went into the barn with Layer and while the man was in fact
looking for eggs Layer suddenly yelled out that he had found some
shotgun shells in some hay.  Sure enough there were shotgun shells
there but what the sheriff noticed most was that they were found in
an area that had already been searched and that suddenly Layer&#39;s hand
was no longer hidden in his pocket.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;The
Wolf Family family was laid to rest on April 28&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;.
 There are pictures of their tombstones laying side by side, along
with the one belonging to Jacob Hofer.  Some reports say that Jacob&#39;s
funeral was separate. A large stone was place that translated from
German says “The Murdered Family.”  In a row in front is an
individual tombstone for each of the Wolf family members.  Jacob
Hofer is buried beside them.  One of the reports I found said that at
the funeral Henry Layer allegedly insisted each casket lid was raised
so he could see their faces.  I cannot say for certain this is true
or whether it was done.  It was also said that while Layer was at the
funeral there were investigators at his farm searching and talking to
his family.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;A
murder weapon was found near the farm in a slough but my research
says that “tracing was unsuccessful” and “not even the
manufacturer had a record of it.”  The community of course was up
in arms.  They wanted to know who had committed this crime and they
wanted it solved quickly.  Rewards were offered and apparently two
different men were arrested but I never found any names.  It was only
said that they were “false” arrests and the men were released. 
There was another incident where community members detained a young
boy until investigators could arrive to which he too was released. 
At this point the state attorney apparently insisted there was to be
no more arrests until there was absolute clear evidence.  But, the
eyes were still on Layer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;It
was learned, or at the very least rumored, that Henry Layer and Jacob
Wolf had at least one incident happen between them, although it could
have been two.  It was said that “livestock” belonging to Layer
had trespassed on Wolf&#39;s land.  I can only assume that this was the
piece of land that he owned outside of his farm that was next to
Layer&#39;s farm.  This apparently did not go over well with one or both
of them.  Whether it was at this time, or possibly another time, it
seems that one of Layers cows had been bitten by the Wolf&#39;s dog. 
Investigators came to believe that Layer was the neighbor that Wolf
had spoken about to the friend prior to the murders.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Layer
would be arrested.  Now, a lot of the information says that arrest
occurred on May 11&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;,
but a newspaper article I found said the 13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;.
 While I would normally believe the newspaper account as it occurred
in that time period, I question that here.  I found a calendar from
May of 1920 and the 11&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;
is on a Tuesday.  Knowing this and knowing things other articles
stated, using days of the weeks, I do believe the 11&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;
is the correct date.  To be fair, aside from rumor and suspicion, and
despite the state attorney insisting on no arrests without evidence,
I do not know what they had.  A lot was made about the fact that he
had gone to the farm early the morning after the crime had been
discovered and his behavior then and some behaviors after.  It
appears that even Henry&#39;s wife, Lydia, had claimed he had been home
all day on the day investigators believe the murders occur and she
had detailed their activities.  As I mentioned earlier the alleged
murder weapon had been found but they could not link it to anyone.  I
saw a newspaper article that stated “blood soaked overalls
concealed close to the five victims”(the ones in the cellar) were
found but I cannot say anything more about them.  Blood typing was
available at that time, as well as the ability to take fingerprints
but I found nothing that said the evidence against Henry Layer that
caused his arrest.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;We
have to remember that interrogations were done very differently in
1920 than they are now.  Investigators are still allowed to lie to
you throughout an interrogation but even then the lies are looked at
closely.  Investigators are not allowed to physically harm a person
or “beat” a confession out of them now days, but they could back
in 1920. We have heard of modern cases where super long
interrogations that end in a confession or went on with out food,
water and other accommodations have harmed a case.  Again, that was
not the case in 1920.  Basically investigators were allowed to say
and do whatever they wanted.  One of the biggest things though that
is much different today is if someone is being interviewed and they
ask for an attorney the interrogation is to be stopped immediately
until an attorney can be found to represent the person.  That being
said, while I cannot tell you that Henry Layer actually asked for an
attorney throughout his interrogation, even if he had he did not have
to be honored as it is today.  My research stated that Layer was
arrested and brought into the station and interrogated immediately. 
It was said that for hours, upon hours he maintained his innocence. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;While
the interrogation was going on something else happened that was
commonplace back then and taboo today.... a newspaper reporter was
allowed to sit in during the interrogation.  This was much the era of
“yellow journalism” which I have discussed often within my blogs.
 Reporters and writers for the newspapers were more like amateur
detectives.  I have heard story after story about reporters being
allowed to walk crime scene with detectives on their first runs as
things were being first discovered.  I have heard stories of scenes
not being secured and reporters going in and trampling on things and
allegedly finding evidence. While I will not say that every newspaper
or news group in today&#39;s world could be considered legitimate, most
of the ones at the time of this crime were more like tabloids.  It
was all about the drama; it was often about making things up so that
newspaper got the readers and scooped the other competition.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;After
hours of what was described as “rigorous questioning” and
maintaining his innocence it was said that the reporter in the room
suggested to the investigator that pictures of the bodies, as well as
baby Emma, were shown to Layer and see what happened.  This was done
and it was said not long later Layer confessed.  However, this is
only part of what allegedly made him confess to the murders.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;During
the interrogation Layer had been told that there was a mob outside
the jail waiting to come in and lynch him at the nearest tree.  I
know there have been questions as to whether the mob actually existed
but I was unable to determine whether it had been confirmed or not. 
Layer was told basically that everyone knew he was guilty so he may
as well admit to it and that prison was the safest place for him at
that time.  He was also told that once he was sentenced to prison he
could file for a change of plea and get a jury trial.  The following
is what Layer said in his confession....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Layer
claimed that he walked to the Wolf farm and into the house and
demanded that he be paid for the injury done to his cow by the Wolf&#39;s
dog.  Jacob Wolf ordered him to leave and when he did not do so Wolf
allegedly grabbed and loaded his shotgun.  Layer claimed that they
struggled over the gun and that it “accidentally discharged”
twice.  He said one shot killed Beatta and the other killed Jacob
Hofer.  He then claimed that Jacob Wolf fled the house, while Layer
got in the drawer and got more ammo.  He then followed Wolf into the
yard and shot him. At that point Maria and Edna began screaming and
went running towards the barn and he followed them where he shot and
killed both of them.  He then went back in the house where he shot
and killed Bertha and Lydia and then hit three year old Martha with a
hatchet.  He was quoted as saying “The reason I did not kill the
baby was I believe, because I did not go into the room which the baby
lay.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;His
later comment indicated to others, or was thought to mean that had he
known baby Emma was in the other room he would have killed her too. 
Some investigators would say that they did not believe Layer had gone
to the Wolf farm to commit murder but it is unclear exactly what they
thought.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;It
was said that Layer made his confession at about 12:30 am on
Wednesday and by later that day he was in front of a judge pleading
guilty to the murders.  It was said that the judge discouraged this
plea and pointed out that he had the right to an attorney.  But, it
was said that Layer insisted and the judge felt he had no choice.  At
that point likely less than or just near twenty-four hours after he
was arrested, Henry Layer was give a sentence of life in prison “at
hard labor.” “And, exactly forty-eight hours after his arrest he
entered the state prison.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;As
I stated in the beginning, on the surface this case seems pretty open
and shut.  Things like Wikipedia and Murderpedia do not go too much
further than to say Henry Layer was the murderer.... pleaded
guilty... got a life sentence and then died following an operation
for appendicitis in 1925, just five years after his sentence.  There
is mention of Vernon Keel&#39;s book but not a lot of details in those
places.  It took quite a bit more digging to get more information. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;It
appears that immediately after entering the prison system Henry Layer
began saying that his confession was given under duress and not true.
 This is when the allegations were made that the investigators had
told him he was safer in prison and should file for a change of plea.
 He did apparently get an attorney, as the judge had suggested and
they did file for a change of plea in November of 1920.  The filing
talked about the long interrogation efforts where the investigators
allegedly intimidated him.  There were also allegations that the
officers involved had also beaten Layer to get the confession.  I
found a notation that said “their motion is strengthened when some
new evidence is discovered on the Wolf family farm only days before
the motion is filed.”  I never found what that new evidence
entailed. The judge, the same one who had tried to talk him out of
pleading guilty and advised he should get an attorney, also denied
his change of plea.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;There
have been many theories as to what exactly happened more than one
hundred years ago.  One is that it was Henry&#39;s wife, Lydia who
committed the murders and that he took the rap for her.  I have only
heard this theory, not how this conclusion was made however.  In
February of 1921, long after Henry had pleaded guilty a newspaper
reported that the AG of North Dakota  was making trips to Turtle
Creek and that more arrests were coming.  Then very quietly the
investigation ended the following month.  In December of 1930 all of
the AG files were destroyed in a fire and it does not seem that
anything survived or was seen before that.  It has been said that the
issue involving the cow and the dog had occurred several months prior
to the murders and there are many who believe this had been settled
and was not a motive any longer.  They claim that the two neighbors
no longer had an issue with each other.  It does not appear that any
other neighbors were suspected or possibly even investigated despite
the fact that Jacob Wolf had made a statement about a neighbor to a
friend. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;The
only survivor, Emma, as I mentioned earlier went to live with her
aunt and uncle, Christina and Emanuel Hofer.  This is where things
get a bit confusing.  On Findagrave.com under Christine there is a
narrative as to what occurred in relation to Emma.  It had me on a
quest but then I became even more confused.  It was said that
Christine and her husband had to fight to adopt Emma because the
“appointed guardian of the Wolf estate wanted her raised in an
institution until she could inherit the land.” I went on to find a
newspaper article that said exact this at the time.  The Hofer&#39;s had
even gone to the Governor to help them.  They did win custody of Emma
but it was said that when she was in the second grade “someone
claimed her aunt and uncle were unfit parents” and they had to
fight again.  Once again they were able to keep Emma.  Where the
confusion comes in at is that I was never able to find out who this
“guardian of the Wolf estate” was, or at least not who these
articles referred to.  I found another article though that said two
weeks after the murders an auction was held on the farm where
livestock and household goods were sold.  According to that article
Emanual Hofer was the administer of the estate.  I suppose
“administer” and “guardian” could be different people but it
still left me a bit confused.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Emma
lived with the Hofer&#39;s until the early 1930&#39;s when their health
declined.  Emanual died in 1932 and Christina passed away in 1934. 
Emma was in the eighth grade and  was sent to live with a couple
named Emil and Vera Haas.  They became her legal guardians.  They
owned the town store and according to Emma she was to work in the
store for her room and board. She was forever known as “The Wolf
Girl” and she struggled with that.  Emma married a man named
Clarence Hanson and they had three children.  Once married the Wolf
farm was being used again.  That was around 1949.  It is said as of
2020 the land “sits” quiet again, although apparently still owned
by descendants.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Henry
Layers family did not have things much better.  After his confession
his wife Lydia sent five of their six children to an orphanage in
Minnesota.  She kept her one year old son and sent four sons and her
daughter, Blanche, to the orphanage.  Two years later six year old
Berthold Layer was killed when he was “run over by a farm wagon.”
 Sometime after 1925 when Henry died in prison Lydia remarried and
Blanche, along with two of her brothers returned to North Dakota. 
Blanche was said to have stated that life back in Turtle Creek was
difficult due to her family&#39;s connection to the crime.  I should
point out that I found something that called Blanche Henry&#39;s adopted
daughter but I found nothing for certain to know the situation.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;So,
this brings us to the point where I pull things together and state my
opinion, when I have one, and of course I do.  Emma&#39;s son has been
recorded as saying that while he, and presumably his family passed
through time, do believe that Henry Layer was involved in the murders
but they do not believe he committed the crimes alone.  I saw nothing
in which he stated where suspicions lie.  He has also made a comment
that while research indicated that Jacob Wolf was a well liked man,
that he had been told from family that he was “not an easy man to
get along with.”  This actually makes me wonder if he was as
“well-liked” as it was initially stated.  I have to agree with
Emma&#39;s son at least to the point that it does not seem possible that
one person could have committed these murders alone.  I think we
first have to look at Henry&#39;s confession.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;According
to Henry&#39;s initial confession he stated that Beatta Wolf and Jacob
Hofer were both killed when the gun “accidentally” went off, not
once, but twice, while he and Jacob Wolf were struggling for the gun.
 Not only is it unlikely that a gun would “accidentally”
discharge twice, but in both instances were close enough to people to
kill them.  I understand, and have seen pictures, of the home and
know that the home was not very big but it still seems very
improbable to have happened that way.  I could understand where maybe
three year old Martha could not have gotten away or understood enough
to hide while Henry was allegedly outside killing Jacob, Maria and
Edna. But Bertha was still inside and thirteen years old.  Six year
old Lydia was also inside.  Some could argue that maybe Bertha
thought she should stay to protect her three sisters but that doesn&#39;t
explain why she did not sent even six year old Lydia to get help,
obviously going in the direction opposite of Henry.  The only way I
see that one person could have done this is if Henry&#39;s story is true
about Jacob Wolf running across the yard and shooting him, is that he
does not then go to the barn leaving the three young girls, plus baby
Emma in the house, but shoots Jacob from the door, kills the girls in
the house and then went to find the two girls that had fled to the
barn.  Even then it still seems unlikely that this could have been
done by one person.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I, of course, cannot say that Henry&#39;s
confession was coerced but I absolutely believe it was possible.  It
was said that after hours upon hours of denying involvement he
confessed after seeing the pictures of the victims and being told a
mob was outside ready to lynch him.  People do not just go in front
of judges within hours of making an alleged confession, plead guilty
and the judge sentence them and within forty-eight hours of his
arrest is sitting in a prison cell serving a life sentence.  I think
all of this give credence to Henry&#39;s argument later that he was told
by investigators that the safest place for him was prison until
things died down.  I am severely surprised however that the attorney
he got after his sentence actually filed for a change of plea.  I am
going to guess though that it was not that simple. A change of plea
is not uncommon, but not after someone has already been sentenced.  I
suspect that it was more likely something closer to having the
conviction overturned and what we see as appeals in modern times.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;There
was a lot of nationality talk.  The victims in this case, but also
the Layer family were German/Russian immigrants.  There was
apparently a large population of German/Russian immigrants in the
area.  It was said that this crime hurt the immigrant community but
this leaves me a bit pondering to me.  It would seem to me that while
yes, other immigrants in the community would have been hurt by this
and upset that one of their own were responsible but considering the
large population I do not see it being the big deal that was made
out, unless the references were against the authorities. I keep
thinking back to the Lindbergh kidnapping case.  Part of the outrage
in that case that took place twelve years after this one, in 1932,
was the nationality of Richard Hauptmann who was a German immigrant. 
But the victims in that case not only were famous, or at least
Charles Lindbergh was, and wealthy, but they were American born.  I
am just uncertain whether it had as much to do with the Wolf case as
has been made out.  At the very least it was not explained
adequately.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;I
like cases that have trials; I like cases that have appeals that I
can read.  That is where the information gets out whether it is to
the press or to the court.  This is obviously not such a case.  I
cannot tell you whether investigators got the right man because other
than hunches, theories and quite possibly a false confession I have
no idea what evidence was used to come to this conclusion.  Was Jacob
Wolf referring to Henry Layer as the neighbor he had issues with or
was there someone else?  It&#39;s unlikely anyone will ever know for
sure.  That being said I think those websites that do not give the
full story or speak of inconsistent things are doing a disservice. 
As I said, this is not as cut and dry or black and white as it
appears on the surface.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/6163945572547189340/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/the-wolf-family-murders.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/6163945572547189340'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/6163945572547189340'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/the-wolf-family-murders.html' title='The Wolf Family Murders'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-7334665933614772548</id><published>2022-07-05T16:19:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2022-07-05T16:19:34.361-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Arthur Lawson"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Charlie Lawson"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="family annihilator"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Fannie Lawson"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Germantown North Carolina"/><title type='text'>The Murders of the Lawson Family</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;You
have often heard me state how I love hearing stories from the early
1900&#39;s and prior.  But, you have also heard me state they prove
difficult to research because it is hard to distinguish between fact,
rumor, and just a story that becomes a legend disguised as a fact. 
This is just such a case.  There often are just not enough facts
known to make a decent story out of things and so things become
“fillers” so to speak.  I am not saying that I do not do the same
sometimes, however, I do not state things as facts if I cannot prove
them to be so, if there is conflicting information, or as in this
case there is really not enough information in my opinion to know
exactly what happened and in what order.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
will start with the facts that we do know.  We know that on December
25, 1929 in Germantown North Carolina forty-three (some say
forty-two) year old Charles “Charlie” Lawson murdered his wife
and six of their seven living children on their farm.  Several hours
later he would commit suicide.  His only surviving child was James
“Arthur” who was sixteen at the time and had been sent on an
errand prior to the crime being committed.  The entire family was
buried together and a tombstone, with three sides were erected
showing all of the family members, except for Arthur, but including a
son, William who died in 1920 of pneumonia at the age of six.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Now,
if you search out this story you will hear a narrative of what
happened when, and how.  But, keep in mind that there were no eye
witnesses to this crime so to know exactly what happened and when
cannot possibly be known for certain. It does not mean that the
narrative given is not true, it just means that it was likely the
best theory had and had been repeated so much in the almost 100 years
that it has become thought of as fact.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Some
reports say that earlier in the day on December 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
Charlie had taken the family to a town nearly fifteen miles away
where they had a “shopping spree” and after buying new clothes
wore them for a family portrait.  Other reports say that this
shopping trip happened a few days or weeks prior.  In my opinion the
latter was probably more likely.  I know that in modern times we are
used to many, if not most places being closed on Christmas Day and I
feel as if that would have even more true back in 1929. Some saw this
act as showing that Charles had premeditated the crimes; some reports
stated that the family did not have the means to be spending the
money they had; yet still other reports stated he was prosperous and
“well off” indicating he did in fact have the money to spend. 
There is a picture available of the entire family including the baby,
Mary Lou who was four months old when the crime occurred on
Christmas.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;The
story goes that some time that day Charles sent his oldest son,
sixteen year old Arthur, “on an errand.”  Some stories will say
that it was to a relatives home; others say that Charles and Arthur
had been out hunting and allegedly ran out of ammo and sent Arthur to
get more.  Of course there are theories abound about why he sent
Arthur away.  Was it because he was the oldest son and at sixteen may
have been able to resist Charles the most as opposed to the rest of
the family? Was it because by leaving his oldest son alive his son
could carry on his name?  No one will ever know.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;And
then comes the theory of how each of the remaining members of his
family died, and how.  It is believed that Charlie hid out by the
tobacco barn, basically lying in wait, as two of his daughters,
twelve year old Carrie and seven year old Maybell was within his
range as they headed to go visit an aunt and uncle that lived nearby.
It is said that they were each shot by Charlie and his 12 gauge
shotgun and then were “bludgeoned” to ensure they were dead. 
Their bodies were found inside the barn.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
is then believed that Charlie moved his way to the house where Fannie
was on the porch.  Reports say that seventeen year old Marie, who was
inside the home screamed, but again, how can anyone know this? 
Everyone at that home were either already dead when the crime was
discovered or soon would be without ever speaking to anyone or
telling the details of what happened.  It is believed that Charlie
then went into the house and shot Marie.  It has also been theorized
that after Fannie was shot that four year old James William (yes, he
had the same first name as Arthur and his middle name was the first
name of Charlie and Fannie&#39;s child who died in 1920, a common thing
in those days) and two year old Raymond had found a place to hide and
that after finding them Charlie also shot them.  From there it is
believed that four month old Mary Lou was “bludgeoned” to death. 
&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
is not clear whether the bodies were moved at all or just simply
staged. It was said that Carrie and Maybell were still in the barn
but it was not clear whether Fannie had been moved from the porch. 
But, the bodies were all laid out to the point in which their arms
were crossed.  Some reports say there were rocks under all of their
heads while others say that only the girls in the barn had rocks and
the others had pillows placed under their heads.  It is also not
completely clear who found the bodies.  Some reports say that it was
Arthur when he returned from his “errand” and other reports say
it was other family members.  Apparently the authorities were called
and they, along with Arthur, and apparently many others who had heard
about the crimes and gone to the home were all outside “several
hours” after the murders were committed when they all heard a
gunshot from within the nearby woods. Charlie was found dead near a
tree from an obvious self inflicted gunshot wound.  It was said that
there were footprints circling the tree as if he had paced around for
those hours before actually shooting himself.  Most reports say there
were letters to his parents on crumbled paper nearby.  One report
stated that one of them said “Blame nobody but I.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Friends,
family and neighbors all began looking for a reason.  The first
theory was that several months earlier Charlie had suffered from a
head injury.  Reports were that he had accidentally hit himself in
the forehead with an ax.  Many said that he had a personality change
after this incident and the ongoing theory is that this head injury
had caused him to go “mad.”  But, it was said that after the
crime, or at some point later, Charlie&#39;s skull was examined by
professionals a Johns Hopkins Hospital “found no abnormalities.” 
Despite this it seems it became the prevailing theory as to motive,
at least until several decades later.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
1990 a book was being published on the case and Charlie&#39;s niece,
Stella had been interviewed.  Stella was the daughter of Charles&#39;
brother Marion and around the time of the writing of the book would
have been in her seventies.  &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Things
were a little unclear on how things went down but it appears that “an
anonymous source” had heard a rumor during one of the tours (I will
get into this in a bit) of the Lawson home after the murders.  The
rumor was a claim that Charlie had sexually abused seventeen year old
Marie.  It appears that Stella had already been interviewed and the
book, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;White Christmas, Bloody Christmas &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;was
set to be published soon when she contacted the author again.  She
relayed a story that she claimed she had overheard Fannie&#39;s sister in
laws, her aunts, including Stella&#39;s mother, discussing the fact that
Fannie had “confided” in them that she was concerned that there
was something going on between Charlie and Marie.  Stella&#39;s mother,
Jettie, died in May of 1928 so if true, then this was said long
before the murders in December of 1929.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;In
2006 the same author released another book on the case called &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;The
Meaning of our Tears&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt; and by then
apparently they had dug deeper into the sexual allegations.  It was
said that a friend of Marie&#39;s claimed that a few weeks before the
murders Marie had told her that she was pregnant and that the child
belong to her father.  The friend, Ella May, stated that according to
Marie both of her parents knew of the situation. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;It
is unclear whether Arthur, Charlie and Fannie&#39;s only surviving child,
ever stated or made a comment about this issue or even what his
theory may have been about a motive.  He apparently did not remain on
the farm, or at least living in the house because it was said that
Charlie&#39;s brother, Marion, opened up the house for tour at .25 a
piece.  A cake that Marie had made earlier in the day was on the
table.  It was said that people who toured the home began taking
raisins from the cake a basically “souvenirs” and that eventually
a glass cover was placed over the cake.  It is not clear how long the
“tours” lasted but they eventually did stop and the home was
demolished at some point.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;As
far as Arthur goes, he was killed in an automobile accident in 1945
at the age of thirty-one.  It was said that he left a wife and four
children. I do want to point out that if you visit the website
Findagrave.com you will find Arthur (listed as James Arthur).  His
tombstone says the years 1911-1944 but a contributor says that is
wrong and his birth date was August 18, 1913 and his death date was
May 5, 1945.  I believe the contributor is correct for several
reasons.  First, several areas stated that Charlie and Fannie were
married in 1911.  Every story about this case indicates that Marie
was seventeen at the time of the murders and the oldest child.  Her
tombstone states she was born in April of 1912.  It seemed
unreasonable to believe that Arthur was born in 1911, the same year
they were married and yet be their second child, especially in that
era.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
told you I would get away from Kentucky this time!!  Now I have moved
on to Texas.  I have seen this case covered on many crime shows
including one of my favorites, Forensic Files.  I am sure most of you
have watched that show but for those of you who have not you should
check it out. It is on several different streaming channels.  It is a
short thirty minute show that focuses solely on forensics.  They do
not have time to be overly bias one way or another in my opinion and
is just long enough to give the facts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
am also in the middle of reading a book that was written in 2005.  It
was written by Scott Dunn&#39;s father Jim, in collaboration with Wanda
Evans and is called Trail of Blood.  I already know that the book
ended technically I guess we can say before the case actually did. 
It was said that Jim reportedly said after writing the book he was
giving up his “obsession” with finding his son&#39;s body and it was
time to just accept the inevitable, that his son was dead and had
been murdered.  But, by that time two people had been tried and
technically convicted for Scott&#39;s murder and that is one of the
reasons this case is most interesting.  I have found conflicting
evidence but I can for sure tell you that Scott&#39;s murder was the
first “no body” case tried in Lubbock but it may have actually
also been the first case without a body in the entire state of Texas.
 It was said that at the time of his murder in 1991 Texas had a law
about having to have a body.  We will get into that in a bit but for
now lets just say that authorities were able to convince prosecutors
they really did have a body.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
May of 1991 twenty-four year old Scott Dunn was living in Lubbock. 
He had grown up in Texas and Lubbock was his father&#39;s hometown. I am
unsure how old he was when his parents divorced but in 1991 his
father, Jim, was remarried and he lived in Pennsylvania with his
wife.  Jim would say that the last time he had talked to his son he
had mentioned he had planned to marry a girl named Jessica.  He had
met the girl a few years before and they had briefly dated and then
she had gone off to school but apparently now she was back and they
had rekindled their romance.  It was said that he was planning to
take her to Pennsylvania to meet his dad sometime soon. Prosecutors
would say she was finally the girl “decent enough” to meet his
family.  Scott installed automobile stereo systems and it was said he
was quite good at it.  There had been many shows and competitions and
he had won quite a few.  In fact, the shop he worked at was preparing
for one when Scott disappeared.    &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;On
May 14, 1991 Scott had gone to a party and while there he had gotten
sick.  He ended up spending the night on his bosses&#39; couch.  The
following day it was said that Leisha Hamilton picked him up. 
Apparently Scott and Leisha had been living together for a few months
but no one in his family knew anything about it or even about her,
but we will get to that in a bit.  According to Leisha after picking
Scott up he continued to be sick and spent the day in bed.  That
night one of his co-workers had come by and talked with him for a
bit.  Scott&#39;s car, his cherished yellow Camaro, was still parked at
the shop where he worked and Scott asked if the co-worker would come
by the next morning and pick him up for work as he was feeling
better.  The next morning, Thursday the 16&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;, Leisha says
that she talked to Scott, asking if he needed a ride to work, and he
told her no, that the co-worker was coming and then she left for her
job as a waitress.  She would say that she came home after work and
not only was Scott gone, but so were some of things.  She would
allege later that a few days after that her home was broken into and
again, things belonging to Scott were gone.  And yet his keys to his
car were still there and his car was still sitting at his work.  The
co-worker stated that he had gone to Scott and Leisha&#39;s apartment
that morning to get Scott but there was no answer at the door so he
assumed that Scott had gotten to work another way.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;On
Sunday May 19&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Leisha called Jim Dunn in Pennsylvania. 
Jim had never heard of her, let alone knew that his son was living
with this woman.  She claimed that she found his number on a phone
bill and thought he should know that she had not heard from Scott in
about four days.  Jim did not know what to think. She had relayed the
story about him being sick and her coming home on the 16&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
and he not being there.  She had also relayed the stories about how
her apartment had been broken into but even on other occasions things
of Scott&#39;s was missing. He sat on this information for a little bit. 
Keep in mind this was not a situation like today where Jim could just
pick up his phone and reach out to his son on a cell phone.  In Jim&#39;s
mind initially since he had never even heard of Leisha, he just
assumed if what she was telling him was true that Scott had just
simply up and left.  He figured he would give it a few days even
though he was perplexed and a bit worried.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;He
kept in touch with Leisha and as time went on he began taping their
telephone calls.  He also called Scott&#39;s boss.  Their first
conversation was not a good one.  His boss was angry.  He felt as if
Scott had just up and took off and left him hanging, not just with
the shop, but also for the competition they had.  This left Jim
concerned also but he did not get really any answers from the boss
since he was so angry. A few days after her initial call to Jim,
Leisha called again and she mentioned that she had gone to pick up
Scott&#39;s car at his job because his boss had insisted on it and was
threatening to have it towed.  Again, this concerned Jim.  How did
Scott leave and not take his car?  Not to mention it was said to be a
prized possession and Jim did not think there was anyway that Scott
would have left it.  Part of him knew he needed to call the Lubbock
police and report Scott missing but another part of him not only did
not want to believe that this was the case, he also wondered if Scott
had not just left Leisha and would turn up in a few days.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Some
information says that Scott went missing on May 31&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; and
not on the 16&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; but I think the confusion lies with when
he was reported missing, which was almost two weeks after he was
actually gone.  In fact, his tombstone has the date of May 16&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
as his death.  I was quite surprised that even the website for The
Charley Project used the May 31&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; date.  I do not use that
site a lot because most of the cases I research do not start out as
long term missing person cases which is a lot of what they are
involved with.  But, it had come up and I thought I would take a
look.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Whether
Jim finally reported Scott missing on the 31&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; or not is
unclear but that date does coincide with Scott being gone about two
weeks.  Jim contacted the Lubbock police department and they admitted
later that initially they did not take the report super seriously. 
In fact, they had another case at the time of a missing person that
they thought was in more danger than Scott Dunn.  A few days later
the other man showed up unharmed.  The investigator would later say
that looking at that case and the case of Scott Dunn they had
misjudged which one was the more serious.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Investigators
made their way to the apartment that Scott shared with Leisha. 
Pretty quickly they knew they were behind the eight-ball in this case
and that something was not right.  It is not completely clear whether
Leisha pointed out to the investigators a spot under her couch or
that they discovered it themselves.  But, a piece of carpet had been
cut out.  She would claim that since Scott had left she had slept on
the couch and had a sheet over it and had not noticed it but she had
also told Jim Dunn of two nights since Scott had left that she had
men over for the night.  One was a co-worker and the other was a man
by the name of Timothy Smith.  Smith lived in the same apartment
complex and Leisha seemed wishy-washy and inconsistent about just
what their relationship was.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;The
investigators asked Leisha&#39;s permission to search the apartment and
the other rooms and she agreed.  While one stayed in the room with
her talking to her, the other went into the bedroom. There was little
to no furniture in the bedroom and Leisha had already told them that
a blanket spread out in the corner of the room was the last place she
had seen Scott.  She claimed that she had not disturbed anything in
that room in the two weeks he had been gone.  That alone seemed
suspicious but even more so when the investigator in the bedroom
lifted the blanket and saw the piece of carpet cut out of the living
room carpet patched into the carpet in the bedroom.  They were able
to easily pull the piece up.  They were able to tell that it had been
put down with basically duct tape and saw a dry, dark color in the
padding and the floor.  They immediately called in a forensic
investigator to take a sample to be tested.  They needed to know if
the substance was blood and if so, was it human.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
the meantime they decided to take Leisha down to give an official
interview.  When it was over they asked her if she could remain out
of her apartment for a few days so that they could investigate more
and she agreed.  Fairly quickly they learned that the substance they
found was blood and it was human.  It was decided to take a team
inside the apartment and investigate more.  They were able to spray
luminol, a substance that will glow when it comes in contact with
blood, even when it has been washed away or cleaned up.  When they
sprayed luminol on the carpet and the walls of the bedroom and waited
to see if it glowed, to say that it did would be an understatement. 
Samples were taken of the areas and it was tested again.  It was
determined that the blood was type O.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Investigators
were not sure what motive Leisha Hamilton would have had to harm
Scott Dunn, nor were they sure she could have done it alone. By her
own admissions Leisha kept up bring up Timothy Smith.  To
investigators she seemingly kept trying to push the idea that Smith
had a motive to harm Scott. Jim Dunn called the Lubbock police every
single day to see how the investigation was coming and it was said
that investigators were beginning to feel like Leisha was calling
just as much.  She “remembered” something about that time or
Smith had done something or said something “odd.”  At one point
she brought a bunch of notes and letters to investigators that were
addressed to her and from Timothy Smith. Sadly those letters came to
them after they had all but lost their chance to really interrogate
Timothy Smith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Investigators
had gone to his home early on.  According to the book I am reading he
had already moved into another, bigger, apartment in the complex when
they talked to him but my research for this blog indicated that he
was preparing to move but had not done so yet.  Either way when
investigators went to talk to him one of them noticed a roll of duct
tape sitting out.  They went into another room and when they came
back the tape was gone.  Finding this even more suspicious they asked
him where the tape had gone and he “played dumb.” Finally he
pulled the tape out from beyond some books in a bookshelf.  They
tagged and bagged it for evidence.  He then voluntarily went to the
police station for an interview.  He did not provide a whole lot of
information but they did determine that Smith was very much in love
with Leisha.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Investigators
had already asked Leisha to take a polygraph test and she had agreed.
They now asked Tim Smith.  He also agreed and the investigators set
up times for both of them with the polygraph expert.  Leisha did show
up for hers.  She had been told that there would not be questions
such as “Did you kill Scott Dunn,” but more along the lines of
“Do you know what happened to Scott.”  I never officially heard
what her results were but I got the impression through the book that
while she proclaimed to have passed investigators indicated she had
failed in certain questions such as her knowing what had occurred. 
As we know polygraphs are not allowed in court and results are used
more as an investigative tool, but they weigh heavily with
investigators and help them know their next moves.  Between the time
of his first interview with investigators and the time for his
polygraph Timothy Smith retained a lawyer and then declined to take
the polygraph.  Investigators were upset they had not pushed him
harder when they had him and now they faced a brick wall.  They were
also getting all of this new information from Leisha pointing to him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Timothy
Smith was described basically as an “odd duck” who had not had a
lot of relationships with women.  But, he seemed to be obsessed with
Leisha.  Investigators would basically come to believe that this was
by Leisha&#39;s doing.  They read letters that Smith had written to her
basically telling her that he felt she was stringing him along. 
There was mention of Scott, although not by name.  Tim indicated that
she was having a sexual relationship with them both at the same time.
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Now,
when you look up Scott Dunn you will see things that say things like
he was a “lady&#39;s man” and talks about the fact that he was seeing
“several women” at one time and engaged to one of them.  I cannot
say for certain that anyone knows anything about any other woman
besides the Jessica that his dad mentioned early on in the
investigation about his last conversation with his son.  But, even if
true, it does not appear that Leisha was much better.  Since few
people knew she even existed in Scott&#39;s life prior to his
disappearance I think it would be safe to say that even fewer knew
the dynamics of their relationship.  I never found anything that
discussed what Scott may or may not have thought about or said to
anyone about Leisha.  To be fair, I also did not hear anything about
any other women except what his dad stated about his conversation
about Jessica.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Speaking
of Jessica, when Leisha first talked to Jim Dunn she indicated as if
she had never heard of Jessica or even knew her name.  Later she
would comment that she herself had called Jessica after he
disappeared, although that is not clear.  What is clear is it was
said that shortly before he disappeared Jessica had called the
apartment and Leisha had answered. I am unsure what conversation they
ended up having or what either woman had to say to Scott about it. 
My point in all of this is that the only person that gave information
about their relationship was Leisha and she from the get go seemed to
be saying she knew nothing, but basically if something happened it
must have been Timothy Smith&#39;s doing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Investigators
suspected that Leisha, along with Timothy were involved in Scott&#39;s
disappearance and they were convinced that it was more than a
disappearance considering how much blood was in the apartment but
they could not prove anything, especially without a body.  The
residents of the complex as well as the manager and the community at
large were questioned about what they may or may not have seen around
the time Scott disappeared.  One nearby resident talked about seeing
something odd at the dumpster in the complex.  Investigators spoke to
the people at the landfill to determine where the dumpster had been
dumped around the time of his disappearance.  Cadaver dogs were taken
there but nothing was found. Many years later people would ask why
those dogs had not been taken to the apartment and around the
complex.  Texas law at the time did not allow them to file murder
charges against anyone without a body and this hindered investigators
despite the fact that were all but certain, especially as time went
on, that Scott had been murdered inside his own apartment.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
1992 Jim Dunn, who lived in Pennsylvania heard about an organization
called The Vidocq Society.  It was a group of over eighty
criminologists, some even from Scotland Yard, that was based in
Philadelphia and they investigated cold cases as a hobby.  Jim was
able to convince them to look at Scott&#39;s case. After reviewing the
evidence at hand and knowing the Texas law the Vidocq Society was
finally able to convince the prosecutor in Lubbock that the “sheer
volume of blood constituted a body” and they decided to dig in the
case even further and eventually in 1997 they would charge both
Leisha Hamilton and Timothy Smith with the murder of Scott Dunn.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
could find very little concerning the trials of the defendants.  I
did learn that they had separate trials.  The prosecution theory was
that Leisha had been involved and murdered Scott because either she
had learned he was not faithful or he had told her he was planning to
marry Jessica and was leaving her.  Their theory as far as Timothy
seemed to be that he too was involved because he wanted Scott out of
the picture so he could have Leisha all to himself.  I was able to
determine that aside from knowing that the blood that had obviously
been cleaned up, they were able to determine that the duct tape found
at Timothy Smith&#39;s home came from the same roll as the one used to
tape the piece of carpet down in the bedroom.  They also found two
hairs on the used tape, none belonged to Scott, but there were hairs
belonging to both Leisha and Timothy.  They had learned that Leisha
had in fact gone to work on the 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; of May, the day after
it is suspected that Scott was murdered, but Timothy did not. 
Reality is that it was Leisha&#39;s apartment in which all of this
happened.  There was massive blood in that house and there is no way
that it happened without Leisha knowing about it. I was never able to
hear exactly how prosecutors theorized things happened or how much
either was involved for certain.  But, knowing what I have determined
in this case it sounds as if they believed Scott was murdered on the
16&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; (although without a body they were unsure how) and
that at the very least Timothy Smith was involved in the clean up, if
not also the murder.  We all have to remember that Scott was gone for
four days before Leisha even called his father, across the country,
and it was almost two weeks before investigators got inside to look
around.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
cannot tell you exactly what the charges were made against Leisha and
Timothy.  I can only tell you what at least part of the outcome of
their trials were. They were both found guilty of at least something.
 Leisha got  a sentence of twenty years.  She was eligible for parole
in 2009 but it was denied.  The prosecutor vowed to make her serve
out her sentence and it looks like that happened as she was not
paroled until 2016.  I cannot tell you what has become of her since. 
Timothy Smith is the one that I am most curious about.  I am sure
somewhere in the book I am reading this will be addressed but he
apparently was found guilty of “something” because he received a
sentence of ten years probation.  I am going to gander to guess that
it was something along the lines of tampering with evidence but I
cannot say for sure.  I suspect they could not prove that he was in
the apartment when Scott was killed and probably believe that he was
the one who came in and cleaned up the mess.  This would make sense. 
Investigators and prosecutors already felt like Timothy was more like
a puppet for Leisha and he did what she wanted him to do.  It would
make sense that she somehow killed Scott and then called Timothy to
help clean it up the next day while she went to work.  Considering
the fact that his body was not in the home presumably it would have
had taken two people to carry him out of the apartment especially
since Scott was not a small man.  Were those two people Leisha and
Timothy or was there someone else involved?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
May of 2012, twenty-one years after Scott Dunn was presumed to be
murdered some maintenance men for the apartment complex (now under a
new name and ownership) were repairing a sewage line on the grounds
when they came across the remains of a body.  The body had been
wrapped in a “blue vinyl type material” described as being like
from a waterbed, a comforter and a sheet that was now in tatters. 
The body was found about 100 feet from the apartment once shared by
Scott Dunn and Leisha Hamilton and in a shallow four foot by eight
foot grave.  Those who had been around over twenty years before, as
well as investigators immediately believed that it was likely to be
Scott Dunn.  The body was not as decomposed as one would think as it
was said that the material it had been wrapped in actually helped
preserve it just a bit and kept insects and animals away.  Still, it
had been more than two decades so there is no way there could be a
visual identification.  But, there was a gold ring found near the
body. Scott Dunn had a gold ring that his grandmother had given him. 
Scott&#39;s parents were both called before official identification and
told of the body being found.  It would be a few days before a
positive identification would be made using dental records.... but
everyone had been correct.... It was Scott Dunn.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Scott
parents had long ago resolved that he was not coming back.  In fact
they had placed a tombstone at a cemetery in Lubbock never thinking
his body would be found.  But here it was 2012 and it was!  It was
said that 90% of his body was recovered and apparently all of his
skull, that needed to be rebuilt.  After doing so the coroner
believed that the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. 
A blood splatter expert had testified at one of the trials and stated
that based on the blood there had been a minimum of four blows given.
 &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Scott&#39;s
body was released to his family and on June 16, 2012, 21 years, and
one month to day he died, he was placed in the grave where his
headstone had long ago been placed.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;There
was talk in the very beginning that the investigators were going to
hold a few things back for a bit until they determined what had
happened.  They wanted to be sure that they felt no one else was
involved.  They must have come to that conclusion later as they were
quoted as saying they did not expect there to be any additional
charges filed in the case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
would have loved to have been a fly on the wall wherever Leisha
Hamilton (she was still in prison) and Timothy Smith may have been
when Scott&#39;s body was discovered!  The investigators were given a
hard time that they had not taken the cadaver dogs to the complex and
because it seems the grounds may not have even been searched.  Surely
if they had been a freshly dug grave would have been noticeable. On
the other hand this case made history by being the first murder case
presented without technically a body.  I know what the Vidocq Society
said, and I do not dispute the findings or the idea.  It seemed
rather obvious that Scott was killed in that apartment and had they
not found a way to prosecute someone they would have gotten away with
murder.  It also set precedence which is something that can be good,
or bad.  In this case it was a good thing.   &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
absolutely believe that at the very least Leisha Hamilton killed
Scott Dunn.  I do not know that I can believe that Timothy Smith was
also involved in his actual murder, but I do believe he was involved
in the clean-up and the aftermath. If you believe Leisha&#39;s story then
Scott was killed in the bedroom, the massive blood was cleaned up,
the body was removed and aside from the carpet patches that she
claimed to not notice anyway, which is ridiculous, nothing seemed out
of place.  She would claim some of his belongings were gone but
nothing out of place.  And all of this would have had to happen while
she was at work that day.  My theory is that  either a fight ensued
between Leisha and Scott or she already knew about the other women
and had waited until the opportunity to strike Scott. I believe she
caught him off guard, maybe when he was sleeping. No one ever
mentioned her having any injuries, but then again by the time anyone
saw her Scott had been gone for two weeks.  That being said she did
contact Jim Dunn four days later and so she could have been seen
sooner by authorities if he had called sooner and she likely had no
way of knowing that he would wait to call.  I think when it was all
over she made a phone call to Timothy Smith and told him what she did
and come over.  I think the two of them wrapped up Scott&#39;s body and
got it out and buried in the dark of night and then she went to work
the next day leaving Timothy there to clean up the rest.  I think her
plan was to set Timothy up to take the fall and for whatever reason
she never thought they would suspect her.  Boy, was she wrong!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/8702079380528694737/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/the-murder-of-roger-scott-dunn.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/8702079380528694737'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/8702079380528694737'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/the-murder-of-roger-scott-dunn.html' title='The Murder of Roger &quot;Scott&quot; Dunn'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-1340488052658049311</id><published>2022-07-02T12:10:00.004-07:00</published><updated>2022-07-02T12:10:51.928-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Donald Mills"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="drug addiction."/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="drug deals"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Eric Baker"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Matt Bevin"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="pardoned by the Governor"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="state vs federal"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Stinking Creek Kentucky"/><title type='text'>Patrick Baker</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
bet you guys thought I would be done with Kentucky cases!  Well, to
be fair, I thought I was for a while too.  I checked out a few more
on my list that were clustered with the last several I have done
recently and nothing “caught my bones.”  So I moved on and it
just so happened the next case that I decided to write about is from
Kentucky. But, I will say this is not a death penalty case so it is
not completely like the others.  In fact, this case is quite
interesting because it first involves what is called the  “dual
sovereignty doctrine.”  Basically it means that state governments
and the federal government are considered to be separate with their
own laws and their own ability to prosecute.  You may have often
heard about “double jeopardy.”  That is the law that says you
cannot be tried twice for the same crime.  But, with all things there
are exceptions and this case is an example of one of those.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;This
case also addresses the power given to officials.  We have heard a
lot about that the last few years.  There were questions about some
pardons that Donald Trump issued to some people that had been
convicted of crimes. There has also been questions of people who were
in his inner circle who were asking about receiving pardons before he
left office.  Well, that is kind of what happened in Kentucky.  Matt
Bevin&#39;s term as Governor had been filled with strife and that is
saying something.  Bevin was a Republican in a pretty red state.  I
say it that way because they have only had three Republican Governors
since World War II but most of their senators and legislatures are
Republicans.  This is the state in which hails Mitch McConnell and
Rand Paul, two of the most staunch Republicans in the business.  This
should not be a surprise really because Kentucky is a “coal state”
and most of those are Red States.  In fact, it is a big more
surprising that they have had so many Democratic Governors.  Now, I
suspect part of his issue began right at the start.  In 2013 Bevin, a
wealthy businessman, decided he was going to run against Mitch
McConnell for his seat the following year.  McConnell runs some
fairly vicious and some say false, attack ads when he&#39;s running and
despite what many may think of him the people of Kentucky continue to
elect him.  So, Bevin lost and yet, after all the attacks on him when
Bevin decided to run for Governor the next year Mitch McConnell was
on his side.  Now, I am not a fan of McConnell so I will say this
behavior is not unusual for him.  He quite often speaks out of “both
sides of his mouth.”  But, Bevin barely won the Republican
nomination.  In fact, he only won by .03 percent of the votes. He was
serving that term, as I said filled with strife and decided to run
again in 2019.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;A
big thing against Bevin throughout his term was an issue with
teacher&#39;s pensions.  I will not go into all the details about it but
let&#39;s just say he did not have one of the biggest organizations in
the state on his side when he ran again.  He won the Republican
nomination again, more than he had the first time but that&#39;s likely
because he was the incumbent at the time and those are generally
easier to win but then he lost to Andy Beshear who was the Attorney
General and ran as the Democratic nominee.  It is unclear if Bevin&#39;s
next actions after finally conceding the election were in his mind
legitimate or figuratively speaking sending a big middle finger to
the State of Kentucky.  When he was done neither political party was
happy with him.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Within
the last few days of his term Bevin issued more than 400 pardons and
or gave clemency to some.  It was said that a vast majority of these
were to those convicted for low level drug crimes but they not all of
them were.  There were several that were questionable.  One was to a
woman named Elizabeth Stakelbeck who was said to be a friend of
Bevin&#39;s wife and sister. She had attempted to hire a hit man to
murder her ex-husband and his new wife.  The hit man was an
undercover agent.  By December of 2019 she had served her time but
said he issued a pardon because “the compelling testimony of
Elizabeth&#39;s friends and family and her desire for a fresh start in
life.” Another was a man named Johiem Bandy who at fifteen was
given a thirteen year sentence for robbery and assault.  He had
served two years when Bevin pardoned him.  In June 2022 he again was
arrested and is currently awaiting trial for charges of
strangulation, assault and other charges.  A man by the name of
Dayton Jones had his sentenced commuted.  He had been convicted of
sodomizing an unconscious fifteen year old boy. In 2021 he pleaded
guilty in federal court for pornography charges and received an eight
year sentence.  And this brings us to Patrick Baker. This, I believe
was the one that sent politicians on all sides over the edge.  After
he left office the new Attorney General and the head of the
Republican Party in Kentucky asked the Department of Justice and the
FBI to get involved and start an investigation into the pardons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Baker
came from a fairly prominent family.  In fact, in 2018 Patrick&#39;s
brother, Eric and his wife had hosted a fundraiser for Matt Bevin and
his campaign.  Patrick was convicted in 2017 and was serving a
nineteen year sentence on charges of reckless homicide, first degree
robbery, impersonating a peace officer and tampering with evidence.
He had served about two and a half years of his sentence when in
December 2019 Matt Bevin issued him a pardon.  Bevin&#39;s reasoning was
that he had been convicted on “sketchy evidence.” &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;On
May 9, 2014 Patrick Baker and a man named Christopher Wagner posed as
U.S. Marshals and entered the Stinking Creek (Yes, it really is a
place) home of Donald Mills in Knox County in Eastern Kentucky. Once
inside they held Donald, his pregnant wife and their children hostage
while they ransacked the home looking for Oxycodone pills and cash. 
There is not a lot of information about how things got out of hand.
Baker would claim that Mills pulled a gun on him and he was “forced”
to shoot him.  Authorities would see it another way.  Donald Mills
would be shot and killed while his wife and children watched.  One
report says his mother was also present and held him as he died, but
to be fair I am uncertain about this.  Some reports said along with
the family there was a “guest” but never mentioned a name and
only the one report mentioned his mother.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
is not clear exactly how both Baker and Wagner were caught. It could
have been possible that Mills and/or his family recognized him at the
scene but I cannot say for sure.  According to Wagner who apparently
testified in the 2017 trial, after leaving the Mills home the two men
went to Bell County where they buried parts of the gun.  He would
take authorities to this area.  Shell casings from the crime scene
were said to be linked to the gun and the gun belonged to Baker. 
Even Baker does not dispute that he owned the gun used in the crime. 
I am also going to be a bit fair here and say I am uncertain exactly
what other evidence was presented at this trial. I will get into what
evidence there is against Baker in a bit but as far as this 2017
trial I am going to leave it at the fact that the jury convicted him.
It appears that Wagner pleaded guilty and accepted a plea deal.  He
was given ten years each for the charges of first degree manslaughter
and first degree robbery.  It seems that they are running
concurrently, meaning together and he is eligible for parole in
October of 2022.  According to the Kentucky Department of Corrections
website it is likely that he will be paroled then but his max out
date is in April of 2024, meaning he cannot be kept longer than that
time.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Then
came December of 2019 and Matt Bevin&#39;s flurry of pardons. Prosecutors
and family members of victim were extremely irate because no one had
been given any clue that this was going to go on.  As an
investigation was launched it seems that the federal government began
looking at the more high profile cases involved, including Patrick
Baker. Federal authorities made it clear they would do what they had
to to get Patrick Baker back behind bars.  It took them a bit, but
let me tell you as someone who has had dealing with Federal
prosecutors and the system, justice comes slowly sometimes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
May of 2021 a federal grand jury indicted Baker on charges of using a
gun during a drug trafficking offense.  This is where the dual
sovereignty doctrine comes in.  I am sure Baker&#39;s attorney&#39;s
attempted to stop the investigation and indictment using the idea of
double jeopardy.  I say this without seeing it because despite
knowing that it is legal to do so I have never seen a case in which
an attorney still does not try to use that legal maneuver.  In the
end his attorney&#39;s would admit that it was legal and there was
nothing really to fight it.  Instead there would just be a new trial,
only this time at the federal level, and it would be their job to
defend their client.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Baker&#39;s
trial began in August of 2021.  While I admitted that I do not know
just what evidence was presented at his state trial what I can say is
that if the same evidence that was presented in his federal trial was
presented at his state trial Matt Bevin&#39;s comment that the evidence
was “sketchy” is not accurate.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;The
federal prosecutors were able to show that this was a planned job by
Baker.  He had saved a picture of the Mills home from Google Earth on
his Ipad and had been bragging to at least one person, some say more,
that he was “getting ready to make a big score.”  His ex-wife,
among others,  testified that he had confessed to the crime.  To his
wife in particular he had said that Mills “pulled a gun on me and I
had to shoot.”  Wagner also apparently testified at this trial also
and told about the shooting and what they had done with the weapon. 
Prosecutors had a surveillance video from a Dollar General in London
Kentucky that showed seven hours before the crime Baker was seen
buying “plastic handcuffs.”  The same type of handcuffs were
later found just feet from where Donald Mills was shot.  And, despite
what you will hear me say later that Baker himself testified to, cell
tower records tracked him from London, to Stinking Creek, to Bell
County where Wagner stated they had buried pieces of the weapon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Baker
got on the stand and still proclaimed innocence.  As far as the
confession, he said that was not an actual confession to his now
ex-wife, Lori Hammack, but he had said he felt “responsible” and
she must have misunderstood him.  He had to admit that the gun used
in the crime was his, but he claimed that a man by the name of Adam
Messer, a convicted felon, “found” it in his truck and took.  He
went on to claim that Wagner, along with Messer were the ones to
blame for the crime, not him.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
did not hear anything about a jury or how a conclusion was made in
this case.  I only heard the conclusion and remarks from the judge. 
I cannot say if this was a jury trial or a bench trial (where only
the judge decides) to be fair.  But, if this case proves anything it
is “careful what you wish for” and “maybe you should not run
your mouth,” let alone commit crimes.  Baker was found guilty.  And
this time the judge “wasn&#39;t playing.”  Baker was sentenced to
forty-two years in a federal prison, with three years of supervised
release and was ordered to pay the victim&#39;s family $7,500 for funeral
expenses.  He was given credit for the thirty months he served in the
state prison before Bevin pardoned him.  The federal government
calculates things by months so while I said forty-two years, by their
calculations it is 504 months!  This was more than double than the
nineteen years he got sentenced in state court.  To add to this he
may have served half of that nineteen years in Kentucky but federal
rules are much different.  There is no parole.  An inmate serves 85%
of their sentence.  Now, they are entitled to 10% or “up to one
year” in a half way house or home confinement that does come off of
the 85%.  This means that Baker will have to serve 428 months which
is more than thirty-five years.... minus the thirty months he served
previously.  He will be eighty-three years old before he is eligible
for release.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I want to point out that when he was sentenced the judge stated that he had obstructed justice, not just by trying to destroy the weapon and bury it, but also by perjuring&amp;nbsp;himself.&amp;nbsp; The judge flat stated that Baker lied on the stand when he testified on his own behalf.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;After
the flurry of news when Bevin issued all of those pardons on the way
out the door, and the calls for investigations over the next few
months things seemed to die out.  Other than the fact that the state
began working on laws to limit the power of the Governor in some
cases I have not heard a lot.  In fact, I am unsure that any of those
laws were passed.  It does seem however that the federal government
may not be done working on looking at those cases and the media is
not against pointing out when someone Bevin pardoned gets in trouble
again.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;By the way, I promise my next one will not be a Kentucky story!&amp;nbsp; I already know what I want to do next.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/1340488052658049311/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/patrick-baker.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/1340488052658049311'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/1340488052658049311'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/patrick-baker.html' title='Patrick Baker'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-4821827392559889374</id><published>2022-07-01T09:07:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2022-07-01T09:07:21.838-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="David Matthews"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="habeas corpus"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Kentucky death penalty"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Louisville Kentucky"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Magdalene Cruse"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Marlene Matthews"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="murder of a spouse"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="state vs federal"/><title type='text'>David Eugene Matthews</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;This
will be my fourth case that involves a death penalty case out of the
state of Kentucky.  One would think so many of them would be rather
routine or at least similar in nature, but if these four cases show
anything it shows that anything can happen, every case is different
and you never know what legal maneuvers will be tried and which ones
will fail and which ones will succeed.  Some only succeed
temporarily. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Marco
Chapman murdered two children, injured their mother and sister and in
the end volunteered for the death penalty.  Yet the courts had to
decide if he had that right. Thomas Bowling Jr. was convicted and
sentenced to death for the  killing a couple in their car and
shooting their son but in my opinion there was insufficient evidence.
He died in prison of cancer. John Garland was convicted and sentenced
to death for the murder of three people. He maintained his innocence
until his natural death in prison, blaming his son.  This latest case
is one in which David Matthews was convicted of killing two people
and claiming at trial that he suffered from “extreme emotional
distress” and actually got a court to overturn his conviction
before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and reinstated his
conviction.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Death
penalty cases are riddled with appeals. I do not believe that every
state, but many have automatic appeals when it comes to death penalty
cases.  This case actually had more appeals than I have seen before
due to the fact that it was appealed to the 6&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; District
Circuit Court at the federal level and then that was appealed up to
the United States Supreme Court. Appeals are great because you get a
lot of information out of them but they can also be tiring and
mundane because sometimes they can drag on and on and it is easy to
miss some things.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;David
Matthews had been married to his wife, Mary “Marlene” for about
two and a half years in 1981.  The lived in Louisville Kentucky. The
last year of their marriage had apparently been full of many
separations and court filings.  David would move out of the home
where Marlene and her young daughter stayed apparently because the
home was owned by a family member of hers and she rented from them. 
David would go and live with his mother. It was said that within the
five weeks previous to the end of June two warrants had been issued
against David in relation to their relationship.  The first one was a
warrant in which it was claimed, apparently by Marlene, that David
has sexually abused her then six year old daughter.  The second one
was a warrant related to David breaking into her home.  It was said
that David was arrested on the first warrant and was released but was
forbidden to contact Marlene.  He was not served with the second
warrant before June 29&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Around
mid-morning of June 29, 1981 Lawrence Cruse, Marlene&#39;s father, had
gone to her home.  It is not clear whether he was still married to
Marlene&#39;s mother, Mary “Magdalene.”  Because of this it was not
clear whether Magdalene was living with Marlene or had simply spent
the night in her home with her.  Regardless, Lawrence walked into a
nightmare.  Magdalene was in bed with a gunshot wound to the back of
her head.  Amazingly, and sadly, she was still alive.  It was
determined later that she had laid in agony and convulsing for about
eight hours before she would die.  Inside the other bedroom Lawrence
would find his daughter, Marlene.  She had a gunshot wound in the
back and one in the chest. It was determined later that she likely
died almost immediately.  The side door of the house had the screen
cut and the glass broken; a pocket knife was found on the steps.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
can only assume that because of the history between David and Marlene
he became the number one suspect and law enforcement immediately
wanted to talk to him. They found him at his mothers house later that
morning.  It was said that he had already began washing the clothes
that he had been wearing.  I am unsure if he was technically arrested
at that time or whether he was just asked to go to the station for
questioning.  Of course he could be arrested on the warrant for the
previous burglary on Marlene&#39;s house.  I did not find specifics on
things but I would gander to guess that before going over to find him
at his mother&#39;s home that law enforcement had ran a check on him, if
for no other reason than to get an address and would have found the
warrant at that time.  It was said that the warrant was not served
until after the crime.  The warrant alone would have given them
reason and cause to arrest him.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Seemingly
while David was at the police station a search was done at his
mother&#39;s home.  It was said that the murder weapon, a .22 caliber
handgun he had “purchased with borrowed funds just hours before the
crime,” was found in a “secret” area below the floorboards of a
shed that was in the backyard at his mother&#39;s home.  Meanwhile back
at the station David was denying that he was involved in the crime. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;By
the time David went on trial in October of 1982 he had changed his
story.  His defense attorney&#39;s not longer claimed that he had not
committed the murders.  They argued however that he had done so under
“extreme emotional distress.”  While David himself did not
testify on his own behalf a psychiatrist who he had spoken to did. 
According to the psychiatrist he had been drinking heavily and doing
drugs when he broke into Marlene&#39;s home around one or two in the
morning.  He said that he found Magdalene in a bed and shot her,
believing her to be dead.  That would be a good guess since the
coroner would later say that the gunshot wounds indicated that the
gun had been no more than eighteen inches away. He then went into
Marlene&#39;s room where he said he had sex with her one or two times
before staying with her until about six that morning.  At that point
he shot her.  He claimed to have shot her twice because he believed
the first one had missed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
did not find or read through a lot of things from the trial and most
articles and information revolved around his claim of “extreme
emotional distress” but everything I found and read, from articles,
to appeals to anything else claimed there was an overwhelming amount
of evidence that made his guilt clear.  This sometimes happens when
there is a core issue that is disputed.  You lose a lot of the little
things that were said and done throughout the trial because appeals
are generally very narrow in their findings and their reasons.  In
this case the big dispute came first whether the courts had applied
the law correctly pertaining to extreme emotional distress and then
later whether federal courts had the authority to make decisions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;On
October 8, 1982 the jury convicted David Matthews of two counts of
capital murder and one count of first degree burglary.  On November
11, 1982 he was sentenced to death, times two and also given a twenty
year sentence for the burglary.  Over the years the Kentucky courts
denied all of his appeals.  In 2008 U.S. Judge stated that he
believed that while Matthews evidence of guilt was “quite clear”
that the trial court had not followed the law when considering the
defense of extreme emotional distress.  He claimed, and apparently it
was true, although, subjective, that when a defendant showed clear
evidence of extreme emotional distress that the law at the time
required that the prosecutors showed that this was not true.  If the
prosecutors failed to do so, as this judge felt they had here, then
the person could not be convicted of first degree murder, but of
manslaughter instead, which did not qualify for the death penalty. 
He ordered that the case should be reviewed and either order a new
trial, or of course they could overrule his decision.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;This
is where it gets a bit confusing.  From my understanding this case
then went back to the Kentucky courts who ruled that while he had
claimed extreme emotional distress he had not shown “beyond a
reasonable doubt” as required that this was the case, therefore the
prosecutor did not in fact have to prove that he did not suffer from
this.  Their interpretation of the law, which is what they do, was
that the prosecutor was required to disprove this only when there was
overwhelming and convincing evidence from the defense.  It appears to
me that the only real evidence they had was a psychiatrist who
testified about what Matthews had said to him and likely rendered an
opinion as to his state of mind.  As I stated earlier I did not find
a lot of trial information but I am going to gander to guess that the
prosecution had their own witness who likely testified differently as
to Matthews state of mind or they felt they cross examined the
psychiatrist adequately to meet the burden of proof they needed. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Then
in 2011 a habeas corpus was filed in federal court.  Basically a
habeas corpus means that the person is claiming that their
Constitutional right to “unlawful or indefinite” imprisonment is
being violated.  This was heard by the 6&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; District
Circuit Court.  From the way I understood it, they agreed with the
judge in 2008 that the prosecution had not, yet should have, proven
“beyond a reasonable doubt” that Matthews did not suffer from
extreme emotional distress.  This led to another appeal that made its
way to the United State Supreme Court in 2012.  They finally ruled
that both federal courts were wrong in their decisions.  The ruled
that not only had they both given poor examples of cases they used to
bolster their decision but they ruled it was wrong that they were
“using a federal habeas corpus review as a vehicle to second guess
the reasonable decision of the state courts.”  They ruled that the
6&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; District “had no authority” to rule on this case
at all.  So when it was all said and done David Matthews&#39; conviction
and sentencing remained as they had been in the beginning.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
cannot tell you if today in 2022 what “line” Matthews lies in the
“longest serving death row inmate in the state.”  At one point he
was listed third, then I saw he had “moved up” to second.  He may
be first at this point.  He is not “moving up” because Kentucky
is executing inmates,  it is because they are dying.  Some of
illnesses; some of old age.  Currently Matthews is seventy-three
years old and has been in the Kentucky prison system, with a death
sentence since 1982.  The last thing I found surrounding his fight
for release was in 2013.  He had as a federal court to grand him
funds to pay for a MRI to be used with “an expected clemency
petition.”  It was rejected on the grounds that this was not a
federal case and they had no position or stake in the case.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/4821827392559889374/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/david-eugene-matthews.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/4821827392559889374'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/4821827392559889374'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/07/david-eugene-matthews.html' title='David Eugene Matthews'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-6028976478658069983</id><published>2022-06-30T06:38:00.003-07:00</published><updated>2022-06-30T06:38:21.381-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Chris Boswell"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Crystal Conaster"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Kentucky death penalty"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Roscoe Garland"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="son testified"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="triple murder"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Whitley City Kentucky"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Willa Jean Ferrier"/><title type='text'>John Roscoe Garland</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
have mentioned many times in the past that when cases make it to my
list of cases to research they often fall in groups with related
topics or places.  I do not always do them obviously in any sort of
order.  It depends on my mood at the moment but sometimes, like now,
you will notice the trend because my last two blogs were about men
who were sentenced to death in Kentucky, and here we are with another
one.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;This
is a case that going into it I thought was probably pretty cut and
dry but then the more I dug, the more issues I saw.  We all know that
court cases come down to who the jury believes in the end.  This was
a case that pitted father against son inside the courtroom.  It is
seemingly a case that continued to pit father against son until the
father died in prison in 2018.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Before
I want to start telling the story I want to clear up something that I
was confused about at first.  The first thing that I came across was
a Murderpedia page that took the facts of the crime from an appeal
that had been filed.  It stated that on “Saturday March 9, 1997”
the victims of this crime had gone out.  It went on to say that they
ended their night in the early morning on Sunday and their bodies
were found later that day.  And yet I kept seeing things that said
their date of death was March 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  This did not seem
plausible if the story started out on the 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; and we knew
they were still alive at least at 1 in the morning of the 10&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
that they would have died on the 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  Even each of the
victims tombstones stated the 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  So, finally I pulled
up a calendar from March of 1997 and discovered that Saturday was the
8&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; and Sunday was in fact the 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;, the day in
which the victims died.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
cannot tell you at what time the bodies of twenty-six year old Willa
“Jean” Ferrier, twenty-two year old Crystal Conaster, and
thirty-eight year old Chris Boswell were found in Willa Jean&#39;s
Whitley City Kentucky mobile home on that Sunday March 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;,
or even who found them.  But, found they were, all in a rear bedroom
of the home.  Chris and Crystal were shot at least twice and Willa
Jean was shot once.  I also cannot tell you for sure exactly how law
enforcement and John Garlands son, Roscoe first made contact with
each other but he would be considered the “key witness” in this
case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
1997 John Garland was fifty-four years old and was apparently
divorced at least twice it seems.  I found the names of an ex-wife in
my research and also on Findagrave.com the name of the mother of many
of his children.  There seems to be no dispute that at some point
John and Willa Jean had dated. It appears that at the time of the
murder they had recently broken up.  According to John&#39;s son, Roscoe,
he was very jealous of Willa Jean dating other men, and according to
sixteen year old April Sexton the night before the murders she was
with Willa Jean at a local country music “dance hall” and they
had driven around the parking lot a few times to ensure that John
Garland was not there stalking her.  So there seemed to be some fear
from Willa Jean toward John Garland and it seems to be a valid fear. 
Investigators would find an answering machine tape at Willa Jean&#39;s
home after the murder that would boost this idea.  On the message
John seemed angry and mentioned something about believing she was
pregnant and a man by the name of Gary Roberts was the father. It was
said that by March of 1997 Willa Jean was dating Gary Roberts but I
never found anything that indicated that at the time of her death she
may have been pregnant.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Apparently
it was routine for at least Willa Jean and Crystal Conaster to go to
the dance hall on Friday and Saturday nights. The night of Saturday
March 8&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; was no different and April Sexton had also gone
along.  While there thirty-eight year old Chris Boswell began dancing
with Crystal and apparently decided to go home with the women.  Willa
Jean dropped April off at home between 12:30 and 1:00 that morning. 
It was said that they then drove to Gary Roberts house where they
pulled in the driveway and honked the horn.  Soon after, without
contact with anyone apparently they then drove back to Willa Jean&#39;s
home.  This is where things get sticky.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;According
to Roscoe Garland he was with his father that night and they were
going to go to some sort of auction.  He says they got in a big
traffic jam and had decided to turn around and not go.  According to
his account they then saw Willa Jean&#39;s car and John decided to
follow.  Seemingly he recounted watching them drop off April at her
home, going to Gary Roberts&#39; home and then ending up at Willa Jean&#39;s.
&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;John&#39;s
account was different.  He claimed that yes, they were going to the
auction and yes, they got into a traffic jam but that they still went
although got there as the auction was ending.  He first claimed that
he had been with Roscoe basically the entire night and then later
said that he dropped Roscoe off at his home and headed to visit his
ex-wife, Eula Isgrigg.  Eula first claimed that she did not see him
until sometime on Monday, after the murders had been discovered.  She
later then said that she had seen him at at two in the morning on
Sunday.  Her initial claim for lying to the police was that she was
scared although it was not specific as to what she was allegedly
scared about.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Roscoe
would claim that after getting to Willa Jean&#39;s home his father had
gone inside and he heard some arguing so he went inside.  He said
both his father and Willa Jean looked disheveled as if they had
“tangled” a bit.  At some point Chris Boswell came out of the
bedroom and Roscoe claims that John shot him; then he shot Crystal. 
Roscoe stated that John then shot both of the victims a second time
before shooting Willa Jean also.  Roscoe admitted, or claimed,
depending on if you believe him or not that his father asked him to
help cover things up such as moving things around the mobile home,
help him burn some clothes and hide the gun, which was a .357.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Roscoe
claimed that the following day John came to his home and gave his
girlfriend some money to obtain a new .357 because he said everyone
knew he carried a gun and it would look suspicious if he did not have
one. Roscoe would later take authorities to where the weapon was
located.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;It
was not clear exact when John was arrested and charged with the
murders but he did go on trial either in late 1998 or early 1999.  As
I mentioned earlier Roscoe was the “key witness” in the trial
against him. And, while the prosecutors painted a picture of John
being the murderer it seems the defense not only disputed that but
they pointed to Roscoe as the murderer.  They hammered hard not just
at the evidence against John, but also the lack of evidence found
against him but most importantly at Roscoe&#39;s credibility.  Roscoe had
claimed that he himself had once owned the murder weapon but had sold
it to his father long ago.  The defense argued that was not true and
that the weapon still belonged to Roscoe.  The defense pointed out
that John did not have an “extensive prior criminal history” but
that Roscoe did.  The noted that at some point apparently John had
been given temporary custody of Roscoe&#39;s two children when they were
taken from Roscoe and his ex-wife.  Roscoe had also served prison
time in the past for beating a man.   They argued that Roscoe himself
had a motive because despite having a girlfriend at the time he was
interested in dating Crystal Conaster.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;One
of the biggest things they argued was that there was no physical
evidence apparently linking John to the scene.  To be fair, there was
never any mention of any evidence linking Roscoe to the scene, but
that agument would come later in an appeal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Since
I have already told you this is a death penalty case, and that there
was an appeal in the case, it should be no surprise to you that the
jury found John Garland guilty of the three murders.  On February 15,
1999 he was sentenced to death. But, of course the story does not end
there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;In
January of 2007 John filed a pro-se motion asking for DNA testing on
many items.  The main thing included was a clump of hair that had
been found in Willa Jean&#39;s hand and at least one strand found from
fingernail clippings.  The hair appeared to be blackish/brown in
color and the only people who had that color hair were Chris Boswell
(whose body was near Willa Jean&#39;s when found) and Roscoe Garland.  It
was said that the court denied this on November 5, 2008 but a copy
was never given to John.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;By
the following month he had a public defender working on his case and
on December 8&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; they filed for DNA testing but only on the
hairs mentioned above. This then became an argument between the state
and defense attorney&#39;s.  The state argued that this had already been
denied and they had missed the chance to appeal. In April of 2009 the
courts accepted the appeal as a “delayed appeal.”  Part of the
argument had been that if the hairs matched Roscoe that went with
John&#39;s theory that it was Roscoe who was the murderer. The courts
disagreed with this saying that even if the hairs did match Roscoe it
only meant that he was more involved than he had testified to, not
that John was not also there and the murderer.  However, they sent
the case back to the circuit court basically ordering them to conduct
DNA testing.  While they stated that it did not prove John was not
there, if the hairs matched Roscoe it would point to his credibility
as a witness which was seemingly highly relied upon by the jury.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;I
can get on board with this decision.  In my opinion the courts were
correct in their thinking.  Roscoe admitted being at the scene and he
admitted helping cover it up.  If the hair was Roscoe&#39;s then it meant
he also tangled with the victims, something he had not admitted to
doing. But, it did not also mean that John was not present.  However,
allegedly there was no physical evidence putting John at the scene
and Roscoe was the only person or thing that could and if the
evidence showed he was obviously more involved than he had admitted
to that made his entire story suspect.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Eventually
the testing was done and the argument against Roscoe became moot
because the clump of hair in Willa Jean&#39;s hand belonged to Chris
Boswell.  Then there were two other strands found.  One was Willa
Jean&#39;s, the other belonged to Chris.  So, none of the hairs belonged
to Roscoe. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Next
I found a 2015 appeal in which apparently more items were asked to be
tested for DNA but they had been destroyed previously making testing
obviously impossible.  The appeal argued that they had been destroyed
in “bad faith” by officials.  Basically what they were saying was
that the items were destroyed and not kept because someone did not
want them tested and hence hindered his ability to prove his
innocence.  The courts disagreed.  While apparently some of these
items had been included in John&#39;s 2007 pro-se filing, when his
attorney&#39;s filed again the following year and it was listed as a
delayed appeal they had only asked for the hairs to be tested.  The
court ruled that by doing so they had “abandoned” the request for
the other items and in their view they were not longer needed.  They
also stated that they had not proved that the officials had “bad
faith” when the items had been destroyed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;This
seems to be the end of his legal fight.  At that point in my research
I went to the Kentucky Department of Corrections to see his status. 
Generally when I high profile inmate dies in custody, by any means,
that is published in an article and is easily found.  I had found
nothing so I had no reason to believe that John was not still in
prison.  So I was a bit surprised to run a check and not be able to
find him.  I did find a Roscoe Garland Jr, apparently his grandson,
currently serving time for sexual assault and drug possession.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Finding
nothing in the DOC I next tried the Findagrave website where I
discovered that on April 22, 2018 John Garland had died.  It seems
apparent that he died while in prison because I discovered that in
2017 one of his sons had died and John&#39;s town was listed as
Eddyville, where the state prison is located.  While there I did some
digging and while it is not necessarily important to the case at
hand, I did find it interesting.  According to John&#39;s obituary he had
had three children, one son and two daughters who had died
previously.  It also said he had two sons, and two daughters
surviving.  Interestingly both the sons listed here were named
Roscoe... Roscoe Lee and Roscoe James.  So I dug a bit further
looking into the obituaries of some of his children, as well as their
mother.  John&#39;s obituary was the only one who listed the two
Roscoe&#39;s.  In his son&#39;s obituary his brothers were listed as Roscoe
and Daniel.  In a daughters obituary who passed after John died names
were different still.  I point this out because there are podcasts
and things available on the Internet talking about this case and I
saw a comment on one that stated that John apparently had two sons
named Roscoe.  I am just not certain of this fact.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;So
this brings us to the end, where I generally give my opinion on the
case.  I have to be fair, I am unsure what to think.  There seemed to
be nothing that linked either John or Roscoe to the scene aside from
Roscoe&#39;s story.  I find this in itself odd.  If they were moving
things around the mobile home and obviously one, the other, or both
of them handled the gun, where are the fingerprints?  I heard of
absolutely none.  If John&#39;s prints were on the gun then I would think
that would prove he had used it. The fact that I did not hear
anything about that and there were indications that they were not
there or not available tends to make me wonder if he was wrongly
convicted.  I think this, and the fact that Roscoe had a criminal
background helps John.  But, then we have the answering machine
message, the testimony of April Sexton that Willa Jean was scared of
him and was cautiously looking to make sure he was not around that
night gives John more of a motive.  Add this to the fact that his
ex-wife, who later changed that story, initially said she did not see
him until the day after the bodies were discovered and that leads
towards his guilt.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Consolas, monospace;&quot;&gt;Another
thing I found odd was the fact that Roscoe claimed that he and his
father had followed Willa Jean that night.  He said they saw her drop
off April Sexton, then stop at Gary Roberts&#39; home before going back
to her home.  For someone who was so worried and cautious about their
surroundings you have to wonder if she saw him following her or not. 
Did she really not see them?  Did she see them and just believe that
once inside her home she was safe, especially since she had others
with her?  This question can obviously never be answered.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Did
an innocent man spend twenty-one years in prison for a crime he did
not commit or did a guilty man try to place the blame of three
murders on his own son?   &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;There
are certain things that are so commonly heard in murder cases that
they sometimes seem so routine and mundane.  One of the biggest
things you will hear is the argument about “ineffective counsel.”
 I have actually read an appeal in which a judge discusses his
disdain for this phrase as that seems to be a “given” in an
appeal after a conviction.  He is not wrong but the sadder part about
that is that there are cases in which ineffective counsel is very
valid but it can get lost in the shuffle because so many make this
claim.  Now, let me be clear that while Bowling would basically make
this claim after his conviction, personally to the judge and not
necessarily through an appeal, I have to say I agreed with the judge
on this point, one of the very few it seems, when it was denied.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Another
thing you hear a lot, if not more than the claim of ineffective
counsel, is that the defendant is innocent.  More often than not
state prosecutors (or federal attorney generals if it applies) prove
differently either by a guilty verdict, or sometimes it can be argued
through the evidence.  But, just as I mentioned earlier, that is not
always the case.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;A
third thing you hear a lot about is “circumstantial evidence”
(sometimes this is called indirect evidence). You will hear an
attorney argue that the case is “solely circumstantial” and a lay
person would maybe believe that to mean there was not evidence to be
found.  That is not always the case.  There are two types of
evidence, direct and circumstantial.  Direct evidence is that in
which there is no refuting what happened.  If you were to look up
examples of direct evidence in murder cases one of the things you
will see is a statement that someone physically seeing someone commit
a murder is considered direct evidence.  I agree with this but only
in situations in which the person who testifies to seeing the murder
is not directly involved with the murderer or associated with them. 
A statement from a passerby or a victim would be a better example. 
Circumstantial evidence is generally something or a combination of
things that one has to infer that the person was involved.  For
example, someone identifies seeing a defendant running from a scene
of a murder.  You add that to other things like ballistic evidence,
fingerprints, a license plate number... etc..and you have a PILE of
circumstantial evidence that when combined allows the average person
to believe that the defendant is guilty.  So, when an attorney states
things about a case being “purely circumstantial” at the
attorney&#39;s in this case claimed the words alone mean very little.  In
fact, when I first came across the phrase in my research I am sure I
rolled my eyes a bit as it seems as routine as the argument of
ineffective counsel.  But, just as I stated in the other two things,
sometimes the attorney&#39;s do have a point.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
have often talked about here how when I start researching a case I go
in with the belief that the jury got it right, no matter the verdict.
 As I research the case I either affirm that opinion in my mind or
there are times that the research leads me to believe otherwise. 
Even in those cases I still try to remind myself that there was
likely something that the jury heard that I had not found.  This is
often why I find interviews with jurors after a case so interesting. 
I have done cases here where former jury members have even commented.
In one particular case the jury acquitted a person and while I
believed the person was more than likely guilty I did not feel the
state had proven their case and stated why.  A juror commented on the
case and confirmed my suspicions and why they came to that
conclusion. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
you may have already suspected this is a case where all of these
things were directly or indirectly claimed either by the defendant in
this case or by his attorney&#39;s.  But, this is also a case in which I
have been left to wonder if the jury really did get it right and one
in which I believe if the death penalty that was imposed would have
been carried out that there may have been an injustice on more than
one level.  Let me be clear in saying that the defendant was never
removed from death row either by a new sentence or through execution
but by an illness that took his life.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
the morning of April 9, 1990 a car containing twenty-five year old
Eddie Earley was in his vehicle with his twenty-two year old wife,
Tina and two year old son, Christopher outside a dry cleaning
business that they owned in Lexington Kentucky.  Their car was rammed
by another and then a man shot all three of them.  Christopher would
live, but both of his parents would die from their wounds. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;There
were several witnesses near the scene who would give law enforcement
information about what they saw.  It was said that at the scene
authorities had determined that the car that rammed the Earley&#39;s car
was a 1981 Chevrolet Malibu and they knew the color.  They also knew
a man by the name of Thomas Clyde Bowling Jr.  but it was said they
did not seek him out and followed some other leads.  But, I am going
to say right here and now, that while this was said to be the case,
after doing my research on this case I have to wonder if that was
really what happened.  I find it extremely odd that authorities would
say they knew the make, model and even the color of the car that
allegedly rammed the car where three people were shot, two died and
they knew someone that owned just such a car but did not go looking
for him.  I am left believing that that did not have as much
information as quickly as was reported. They may have had a
description of a car but as far as make and model I am not so sure. 
It does seem clear that they released information about what the car
“looked” like at the very least. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
following morning Bowling&#39;s sister called the Lexington police.  She
told them that she had not seen her brother since about six the
morning before and while she lived in Knoxville, her family owned
property in the nearby county of Powell.  She stated that she and her
mother had seen the description of the vehicle they were looking for
and had driven to the property in Powell county where they found
Bowling&#39;s car.  They had then driven back to her home in Knoxville
where they found Bowling sleeping on her couch. Within hours
authorities would pick up Bowling and also the car.  They also found
a .357 gun buried nearby.  The Earley&#39;s had been shot with a .357.  I
will state here that initially my information stated that Bowling was
arrested on the 11&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;, two days after the crime, but it
appears the following day seem to be more accurate.  As always if
that date is wrong, I apologize but in fairness the one day
difference makes little difference.  The only thing that I think it
really affects is going back to what the authorities allegedly knew
so early.  If that is to be believed and in fact the arrest did not
happen until the 11&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; that would mean they still had not
reached out to Bowling for two days despite supposedly knowing the
make/model/color/year of a vehicle in the chrime and knowing Bowling
owned such a car.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Ultimately
authorities would charge Bowling with the crime and his trial began
in December of 1990.  The state provided three “eye witnesses.”
One was a man named Larry Turner who apparently came up on the scene
as the car was driving away and never personally saw the shooter. 
The second was a man named David Boyd.  He did see the shooter and
described him as about six foot tall, medium build, wearing a black
jacket and a brimmed hat.  But he never positively identified that
person as being Bowling.  The defense cross examined him but I will
get to that in a minute.  The third witness was said to be a man
named Norman Pullins but he did not physically testify at the trial. 
My information said that he could not be found by either side but he
had given an interview the morning of the crime.  He had been in a
building across the street from the shooting.  It is not exactly
clear what information he had or if it matched the description of
Bowling.  To be fair I am going to guess that his interview may have
been just as important to the defense as it was the prosecution
because I cannot imagine an attorney allowing this to be entered
without some sort of benefit.  A man by the last name of Brackett
testified that he had sold Bowling a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;.357
just a few days before the crime.  A ballistics expert testified that
the Earley&#39;s were in fact shot with a .357.  There were others such
as police officers and even apparently it seems his sister was called
by the prosecution.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Now,
it was said that the defense called no witness when it was their
time. In fact between the conviction (you know this happened, I
already said this was a death penalty case) and the sentencing phase
Bowling file a pro-se (meaning without an attorney) motion asking to
fire his attorney&#39;s saying they had not properly defended him.  The
judge denied this.  That being said the defense did in fact cross
examine witnesses and was able to get a lot of information out that
way. When it came to David Boyd, the witness who made a description
of the shooter they were able to show that his initial description
stated the shooter had long hair, a dark complexion and quite
possibly a mustache, none of which described Bowling.  They were able
to get Brackett to say that while he apparently sold and traded guns
regularly that he kept no records and had a very poor memory.  This
was to show they could not be sure when the Bowling actually got the
gun or even if the gun found was the one he claimed to have sold him.
 &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
became a bit confused when it came to the testimony of the ballistics
expert.  I got the impression that it was possible that while the
ballistics expert stated the Earley&#39;s were murdered with a .357 that
they were unable without a doubt to say the gun found was the gun
used.  The defense was able to get the expert to say that the gun was
one of hundreds, maybe more, that could have been used.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
defense was able to get out that there had been no blood found on any
of Bowlings possessions, no prints on gun or the crime scene matching
him.  The only gunshot residue found had been on the inside left
pocket of a jacket they had found of his (that was black) at his
sisters home but no one could say where that came from.  They were
able to get out to the jury that Bowling had a low IQ and had been
tested at the age of twelve or thirteen as having an IQ of 74, which 
is in the range of mentally challenged.  The Supreme Court would rule
several years later, in 2002, that such people could not be subject
to execution.  I will touch on this again in a bit considering at the
time of the trial this was not yet a law.  But, within all of this
they were able to show that he had a history of being a “follower”
and was easily manipulated.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;They
would never argue that Bowlings car had not been used at the crime
but they did argue that no one could prove he was driving it.  In
fact, they made another very good point in my opinion.  They were
able to show that Bowling did not know, nor had he ever met the
Earley&#39;s and while they are not required to provide a motive, the
prosecution absolutely could not come up with one.  More importantly
the defense claimed that there had been a local family in which Eddie
Earley had recently gone to the police about and reported drug
actively.  Some family members were arrested for that and were
allegedly holding a grudge against Eddie.  It was later said that
Bowling claimed he was intoxicated on the day of the crime and
remembers very little but that he was told by members of the family
mentioned earlier late that afternoon to take his car out of town.  I
did find it interesting that I found nothing that indicated if his
car was in Powell County Kentucky how he got to Knoxville Tennessee
more than two hours away.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;At
the end of the trial the jury asked that the judge include in jury
instructions things about extreme emotional disturbance, explain
circumstantial evidence and instructions on reckless homicide but
once again the judge denied this.  They had also asked for other
things like explaining what mitigating circumstances were.  These are
things such as mental illness, lack of intelligence, as well as the
fact that he had apparently been a model citizen while behind bars. 
The judge denied this too.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
jury agreed with the prosecution and found him guilty.  He was
ultimately given the death penalty.  Bowling joined with another
inmate in a filing that challenged the constitutionality of the death
penalty in Kentucky and they lost.  As I stated, in 2002 the United
States Supreme Court ruled in was unconstitutional to execute someone
who had what they called “mental retardation” based on their IQ
scores.  According to the research most individuals have an IQ of
between eighty and one hundred and twenty. The average person has an
IQ of one hundred.  The Supreme Court ruled that basically anything
under seventy-five was considered to be “mental retardation.”  It
appears that the defense had shown back in 1990 that Bowling fell
into this range and yet, by the time of his death in 2015 he was
still on death row.  On March 21, 2015, after spending time in a
prison medical facility for cancer Bowling was taken to a hospital
where it was said he was pronounced dead at the age of sixty-two.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
have so many questions about this case!  We could sit here and argue
for days about how in 1990 there was not the forensic testing
available that we have now.  And this would be very true but I found
nothing in this case that would indicate that modern technology would
have changed the evidence.  All of the technology they needed they
already had.  There was ballistic testing; there was fingerprint
testing; there was GSR testing.  They even had what I would consider
primitive DNA testing in 1990.  But the problem is that there did not
seem to be anything there.  They argued, and the defense did not
dispute, that Bowlings car had been involved.  This only proved that
it was his car that rammed the Earley&#39;s car.  This did not prove that
he was driving or that he was the shooter.  Even those who saw the
shooter made a description that did not match Bowling.  I can only
assume that there were fingerprints in Bowling&#39;s car that matched
him, but it was his car, but it was said that there were none
matching his at the scene.  I got the impression that there was no
GSR on his hands or his clothes, other than the pocket of a black
jacket. The authorities apparently scoured the crime scene, the area
in which his car was located and his sisters home and they found no
evidence of blood connecting him.  Presumably after shooting three
people the shooter would have been covered in blood.  Ballistic
testing apparently could not say that the gun that was found near his
car apparently buried was the gun used in the shooting and even if it
did there were apparently no fingerprints to say he had used that gun
and since it was with the car, and not with him and they could not
prove that he had driven the car, then they could not prove he fired
the gun.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
I stated earlier a prosecutor does not have to prove motive but in
general juries still like to hear one.  There was not one here. 
Sure, Bowling, who claimed to be intoxicated that could have rammed
the car while drinking and driving but if he had been so drunk to ram
the car, then he likely could not have functioned enough to not only
get out and shoot the victims but leave the scene quickly, hide his
car, bury the gun and get to his sisters house, which again I found
no reference to how he got there.  And, driving drunk and wrecking a
car is a far cry from getting out of the vehicle and shooting three
people.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
told you in the beginning that it was alleged that investigators knew
literally at the crime scene, the make/model/year and color of the
vehicle that had allegedly rammed the Earley&#39;s car and that they
allegedly knew that Thomas Bowling owned just such a car.  But, they
alleged they did not go searching for him because they followed other
leads.  What other leads?  Obviously the defense brought up one when
they mentioned the family that Eddie Earley had reported but are you
going to tell me that there was not enough investigators.... in
Lexington Kentucky.... a far cry from a small town, to send one or
more investigators to investigate the family and one or two to go
look for and find Thomas Bowling?  A mother and father had been
gunned down in their car in the parking lot of their business and
their two year old son had also been shot.  You cannot tell me that
there was not outrage about this and that they did not put MANY, if
not all investigators on this case in the initial hours tracking down
every single lead there was.  Does that mean that they did not ever
know exactly what type of car was used?  No, it does not.  But I
absolutely do not believe they knew at the crime scene, or maybe even
before Bowlings sister called the following day that he owned the car
used.  Sure, they had a description from eye witnesses and they
released that which is what allegedly prompted his sister to look for
his car and check out land owned by the family.  In my opinion this
was released and said to make it look like the investigators did not
have tunnel vision and focused on Bowling in the initial stages. 
There is a complete difference in following ALL the evidence and
leads in a case and focusing on one person.  Having a vehicle
description is a far cry from knowing everything about a vehicle and
knowing a particular person owns such a vehicle, as they claimed, and
then NOT following that lead is also bad investigating.  So no, I do
not believe that they knew this information early on and decided to
“look at other leads first.”  Does this mean that they looked
into the family that the defense mentioned?  I would hope so but I
heard nothing more about it.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Taking
that line is it possible that the family members involved in the
other case could have manipulated Bowling into doing the deed for
them?  Maybe, but again where is the evidence?  Is it possible that
someone obtained Bowlings vehicle without his knowledge or even with
his knowledge?  Sure.  While I did not see any real evidence
presented that the other family was involved, in my opinion there was
not enough evidence to prove that Bowling committed this crime.  Then
again, that is just my opinion. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Once
again I have chosen to talk about a death penalty case.  I know there
are fierce people on both sides of this subject, I just do not happen
to be one of them.  I have often said that I am neither for, nor
against the death penalty.  I do believe there are cases that warrant
it, but only those in which there is no question in whether the
person is not only guilty, but that that conclusion was come to
fairly.  I also believe that in decades past that courts were too
fast to carry out the death penalty.  We have found too many, and one
is too many in my opinion, of people who were executed only to
discover later were innocent.  Well.... you cannot ever fix that
wrong!  With that being said, I feel as if we do not do them fast
enough today.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;There
are those who are very pro-death penalty who will argue that as a tax
payer they do not feel as if we should house inmates on life
sentences and should speed up the process.  First, let me point out
that Texas used to execute so often that the joke was they had an
express lane to the execution chamber and yet they much too late
realized that there were errors not just in the death penalty system
itself, but also in many of the cases.  They have the longest list of
exonerated people than any other state. Also, the reality of it is
that it costs more to house someone on death row than it does to
house someone for the rest of their lives... both of which many
states are doing now anyway.  There are constitutional rights to
appeals in death sentences that are not afford unilaterally to other
prison inmates.  Those cost money from anywhere from transportation
to courtroom time to lawyers, right down to often extra guards and
special wings of the prison.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;This
case is a bit different.  I have seen and written about cases in
which a convicted felon has decided to drop all remaining appeals and
tell the court that they were prepared to have the death penalty
carried out.  I have seen a case or two where the defendant at
sentencing after a trial has requested the death penalty.  In this
case the defendant was still in the pre-trial process and he sent a
letter to the judge asking to fire his attorney&#39;s, plead guilty to
the crimes he committed and be given the death penalty.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
August 23, 2002 Marco Allen Chapman, not to be confused with John
Lennon&#39;s assassin, MarK David Chapman, knocked on the Warsaw Kentucky
 door of Carolyn Marksberry sometime close to four in the morning. 
Carolyn, who was the city clerk of Warsaw, lived with her husband
Chuck, who was on his way home after being out of the country for
work, and her three children, six year old Cody Sharon, seven year
old Chelbi Sharon and ten year old Courtney Sharon.  It was said that
Courtney had known Chapman for years but it was also said that he was
dating her best friend that lived very close by and Carolyn had been
encouraging her to leave the relationship because Chapman was abusive
to her.  The friend, who was many times referred to as “unnamed,”
allegedly often spent the night on the Markberry couch to get away
from Chapman.  It was said that Chapman asked Carolyn to use the
phone when she answered the door so she let him in.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Apparently
according to Carolyn when she let him inside he immediately began
attacking her with a knife that he had brought with him.  Chapman was
able to tie Carolyn&#39;s hands with duct tape and then using the a cord
he cut from the vacuum he tied her to the bed frame where he
proceeded to rape her and then stab her repeatedly.  It was said that
he literally broke two knives, one inside her chest.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;At
some point six-year old Cody was awakened by the noises.  He went
into his mother&#39;s room but it is unclear what was going on at that
moment but it was said that Carolyn told him to go back to his room. 
Instead he went to ten-year old Courtney&#39;s room.  She too had been
awakened by noises in the house and Cody stated he thought their
mother was in trouble.  The two children went into the hallway where
they were met by Chapman.  Chapman attempted to take the knife he had
and slit Courtney&#39;s throat.  Apparently without realizing it he
missed and instead cut her ear but Courtney was bright and smart. 
She fell to the ground and “played dead.”  Chapman then turned to
Cody and this time he succeeded and while he fell to the floor it
seems he did not die immediately.  Chapman then proceeded to go into
seven-year old Chelbi&#39;s room where he also cut her throat.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;While
he was in Chelbi&#39;s room Courtney began her plan to escape.  She would
later say that Cody was still alive at that point and begged her not
to leave him.  Courtney explained that she was going to the neighbors
home to get help.  As she made her way out of the house Chapman heard
the back door slam.  He came out to find Courtney gone.  It was said
that he then stole some things and left.  It is likely that he knew
the authorities would be coming soon.  In the mean time Carolyn, who
was severely injured, but also still alive literally “gnawed
through her restraints” and broke free. She had listened as her
children screamed within the house.  She crawled out into the hallway
and then crawled to the neighbors home and made it to their porch. 
It was said that she “used her head to bang on the door.”
Authorities received a 911 call about 6:00.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;From
my understanding both Chelbi and Cody were either already dead when
authorities arrived, or likely died soon after.  Carolyn was in
critical condition and I am sure there were questions whether she
would survive.  Courtney, while injured, was less severe.  Chapman
was no where to be found but amazingly it would not take long.  He
was found in Shrewsbury West Virginia and arrested about 12:30 that
afternoon. While they waited for investigators from Kentucky to get
there, question him and take him back he began telling law
enforcement there a story. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Those
investigators said he seemed unremorseful.  He claimed that he and
Carolyn had been having an affair for about a year and that he had
gone there to have consensual sex with her, knowing that her husband
was out of town.  He admitted bringing the knife because he said he
planned to steal from her afterwards.  He went on to say that they
did have consensual sex and that Carolyn “raised all kinds of hell”
when he told her he was going to steal from her.  It does appear that
through the course of the early morning, while no one believed the
consensual sex part, he had stolen from her and Carolyn had given him
all of her credit cards and what cash she had.  It seems though that
throughout his talk with West Virginia authorities he was starting to
become remorseful and even asked the officers to kill him.  By the
time Kentucky authorities arrived it was said that he was remorseful
and while he would claim to not remember a lot or even why he did it
he did admit the crime.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Chapman
was charged with two counts of capital murder in the deaths of Cody
and Chelbi, two counts of attempted murder for Carolyn and Courtney,
first degree rape, first degree burglary, first degree robbery and
second degree “persistent felony offender.”  The last charge
apparently stemmed from the fact that at one time he had been charged
federally for a bank robbery in Texas.  Whether that was the extent
of his criminal activity or at least times that he was caught is not
clear.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
is routine his initially hearing in which his charges were read a not
guilty verdict was given to the court and he was given attorney&#39;s to
defend his case.  It is not clear whether the prosecutor planned to
ask for the death penalty or not.  In January of 2004 during a
“routine transfer” to court for a pre-trial hearing Chapman
somehow got out of leg shackles and tried to make a run for it. 
Authorities tackled him just a few yards away while he still had a
chain around his waist and was handcuffed.  He would later say that
this was an attempt to provoke the officers to shoot him.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
October of 2004 Chapman wrote a letter to the judge.  He informed him
that he wanted to fire his attorney&#39;s, change his plea to guilty and
wanted the death penalty as his sentence.  The judge did not just
unilaterally accept this.  He brought Chapman into court and asked
him directly.  Chapman was still adamant that this was what he
wanted.  The judge ordered what would be Chapman&#39;s second competency
hearing.  The first had determined that he was competent to stand
trial.  The second was after he had written the letter.  The judge
wanted to know if he was competent to be making this decision.  A
psychologist testified and told the judge that he did believe Chapman
was competent but he also thought that with some mental heath
treatment he would possibly change his mind.  So, the judge ordered
him to be treated for thirty days and re-evaluated.  Once again he
was evaluated and it seems despite being given an anti-depressant,
Chapman was still as confident this was what he wanted as he had been
prior.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
judge decided that he would grant Chapman&#39;s request, within reason. 
He allowed him to fire his public defenders but ordered them to
basically “be on call” in case Chapman would need them.  One  of
the attorney&#39;s objected to this “saying he wanted no part in
Chapman&#39;s suicide” but the judge stood firm.  The lawyer would
later say that Chapman wanted to commit suicide and he was getting
the Commonwealth of Kentucky to do it for him.  Chapman would later
be quoted as saying, “I guess it&#39;s kind of my Christian upbringing.
 Suicide is unforgivable.  I figure if I&#39;m not doing it myself it&#39;s
not suicide.”  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Chapman
consistently asked that all appeals be stopped but that still did not
mean his execution was a foregone conclusion or would be swift. 
While my research stated that the only attempt to stop his execution
came from a group that challenged the state regulations on lethal
injection, which the Supreme Court denied, I did find an appeal that
was filed in 2007.  While it was titled Chapman v. Commonwealth of
Kentucky, it appears that it was not Chapman himself who filed the
appeal.  Again, it was said that he consistently asked that appeals
be stopped.  I do want to talk about this 2007 appeal however.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;First,
this is where I learned the information about the three competency
hearings that were asked for in this case.  The courts stated, “The
case before us is to review Chapman&#39;s conviction and sentence in
which we are asked to resolve several questions considering the death
penalty in Kentucky.”  It went on to say “The ultimate question
is whether a defendant may enter into a plea agreement and volunteer
for the death penalty.”  The court ultimately ruled yes.  In the
end, while yes he received the death penalty for the two murders, he
was still sentenced on the other charges.  Because he was found to be
a “persistent felony offender” the burglary and robbery sentences
were enhanced to life terms.  He had also received a life term for
the rape of Carolyn.  As far as the other charges I am uncertain what
his actual sentence was.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Chapman
would be quoted as saying “It&#39;s long and drawn out.  I don&#39;t see
why it should take so long.  If a man is sane and competent, he ought
to be able to get his wishes, especially when you plea bargain for
it.”  I cannot say that I disagree with him.  Chapman was executed
by the Commonwealth of Kentucky on November 21, 2008 at the age of
thirty-eight at Eddyville Kentucky where the Kentucky State
Penitentiary is located. A statement was read before his execution,
written by him, he made a short statement and then after his
execution another statement was released. It appeared that he was
remorseful for his actions, which ultimately is a good thing but in
the end does nothing for the family of his victims.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
of June of 2022 he was the last person executed by the state and only
the third person since the death penalty was reestablished in 1976. 
As of January of 2022 it was said that there were twenty-six people
on Kentucky death row and at least twenty-one of them were sentenced
before 2000.   It was also said that as of May of 2022 California had
the most people on death row at 689 and yet has not executed a
prisoner since 2006.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;There
is a part of me that completely understands the fact that the judge
ordered two competency hearings after Chapman asked to be put to
death.  He wanted to be certain that Chapman understood what he was
asking for and that he was of sound mind to make that decision.  But,
I agree with Chapman.  It should have ended there.  I do not believe
that others had the right to come in and ask that that decision be
changed.  In the end he spent six years on death row, four years were
after he had asked for the death penalty.  While that pales in
comparison to those who have spent more than twenty years on death
row, it still seems unnecessary.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;You
have often heard me speak of very old cases, such as my last blog,
and how difficult determining facts are.  I run into a few things
that are confusing on more modern cases, and I also state those
things, but I am unsure that I have ever come across such a case that
has taken place in the last twenty years which so many conflicting
facts and information!  Everything from what day Susan was killed,
when she was found, to even the relationship between the fathers of
her children seem to be at odds.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;What
I can tell you is that in February 2005 twenty-six year old Long
Island New York resident Susan Ambrosino went missing and her brother
made the report to law enforcement.  Her purse was found in Queens
and law enforcement decided to make a perimeter to search for Susan&#39;s
car, that was also missing.  The car was soon found.  The front
passenger seat had been covered up with a sheet or a towel but was
found to be covered in blood.  The body of Susan was found in the
trunk of her own vehicle.  It was determined that she had died the
previous day when she was shot, presumably in her own car, in the
left side of her head, just behind her ear.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Some
reports say she was murdered on February 24&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;; some say it
was the 21&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt;.  Based on that the date her car was found
also changes.  I attempted to dig a little deeper to try and resolve
this.  Findagrave.com shows a date of the 28&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; but they do
admit this may be the date she was buried and a picture I found of
her ex-husband and daughter seem to confirm that it was the day of
her funeral.  I even pulled up a February 2005 calendar.  One article
said that her car was found on Tuesday which would have been the
22&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt;, making her death on the 21&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt;; another
said the 25&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;; even a third with a picture indicated the
car was found on “Monday” evening which was the 21&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;,
making her death the 20&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  So how do I try and determine
which days are right?  Well, I have to make an educated guess.  I
found an article that stated that Susan&#39;s brother reported her
missing “early Tuesday” (the 22&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt;) and that later that
day her purse was found and then a while later after that her car was
found.  I also found an article written on Thursday, which was the
24&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; that spoke about the fact that a suspect had been
arrested the day before.  So with putting all of that together and
looking at how often, or not often things were said I believe that
the most accurate seems to be that she was murdered on February 21&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt;,
her vehicle with her body inside was found on the 22&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt;, a
suspect that you will hear about later was arrested on the 23&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt;
although not for murder just yet and she was laid to rest on the
28&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;She
how did she get there and what happened?  As I said earlier Susan was
twenty-six years old.  Her daughter was said to be eight at the time
of her death but then there were reports of nine a few days later. 
Regardless that means Susan was fairly young when she had her first
child who&#39;s father was Keith Ambrosino.  There was not a lot of
information about when the couple got married or for how long they
were married.  To be fair it&#39;s not even completely clear whether
Susan and Keith were officially divorced at the time of her death or
just separated, but apparently they were attempting to rekindle their
relationship.  Some reports called Keith her ex-husband while others
called him her estranged husband.  There was one thing that stated
they divorced in 2002 but I cannot say that was completely true
either.  What we do know, that seems consistent, is that the night
that she died Susan called Keith.  She told him that she had
something very serious to talk to him about and he said she was very
upset.  It appears that he was awaiting to hear back from her to set
up a time or place but he never did.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Keith
would later learn not just what Susan had wanted to tell him but that
the fact she wanted to tell him was allegedly, at least in part, the
motive of her murder.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
I stated earlier it was not completely clear what the legal
relationship was between Susan and Keith at the time of her murder. 
He would later say that he believed that part of the reason for the
break up was that they had been very young at the time they got
together.  Keith was in the military for a time and at some point he
was deployed.  Initially he was supposed to be gone for up to a year
but reports stated that he suffered a back injury and returned home
after a few months.  It was said that Keith had stated that Susan was
definitely not looking forward to him being gone and it just being
her and their daughter but that he had reassured her that his half
brother Steven Schiovone (some reports say step-brother which is
always an issue it seems but it appears that the two men shared a
mother) and his girlfriend would be looking after her.  After Keith
came home he claimed things were very different and that it appeared
his brother had gotten very comfortable in the home, with his child
and especially his wife.  Apparently Keith and Susan argued over it
when Keith had asked Steven not to spend so much time at his house
and this was allegedly the reason for the failure of their marriage. 
&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
timing of this is something I have a question about.  As I said
earlier I found a report that the couple divorced in 2002, so nearly
three years prior to Susan&#39;s murder but the reason I wonder about
this is because in 2005 it is apparent that Susan and Steven were
having or had had an ongoing affair and both Susan and Steven&#39;s
girlfriend, the same girlfriend he had prior to Keith being deployed,
 were pregnant by him.  I just find it odd that they could have had
the relationship going on for that long with few people knowing about
it or catching on.  What I can tell you is that in February of 2005,
at the time of her murder, Susan was between three and four months
pregnant.  Her family would later tell law enforcement that she was
pregnant and that Steven was the father so they knew but it is not
clear for how long they had known.  This has been said that it was
this “secret” that Susan had planned to tell Keith.  Keith claims
that he knew nothing about a relationship between Susan and Steven
until after her murder.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
cannot say for a fact that at the time of her murder Susan and Steven
were still involved.  Her family would say that Steven had encouraged
her to have an abortion and Susan had refused.  In fact, apparently
she knew she was carrying a boy and had given him a name.  But, law
enforcement were quickly made aware of the relationship and it almost
appears as if they zeroed in on him fairly quickly.  Experience tells
us that both Keith and Steven would have been on the radar of law
enforcement but the fact that on Wednesday, the day after her body
was found that they arrested Steven (although not for murder just
yet, there was not even an autopsy done as of yet) that they had
pretty much eliminated Keith as a suspect.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Steven
was initially arrested on charges of driving without a seat belt and
driving with a suspended license and registration.  It would be a few
days before they gathered enough to file murder charges on him and in
fact, it was the actions of one of Steven&#39;s friends that gave them
what they needed.  The crime scene had pretty much determined that
Susan had been shot behind her left ear in the passenger seat of her
car and then her body was moved to the trunk.  An autopsy revealed
that the gun had been a .380.  They searched Steven&#39;s home, the one
he shared with his pregnant girlfriend, and while they found manuals
and other things connecting him to a .380, they did not find the gun.
 And then his friend came forward.  Steven had asked the friend to
hold a gun for him, it just so happened to be a .380, and had asked
the friend to lie and provide him an alibi  The friend refused and
contacted law enforcement giving them the gun.  It would be the
murder weapon.  He was officially charged with second degree murder,
criminal possession of a weapon and tampering with evidence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Have
you ever noticed that after someone is arrested and the “story”
is told in the newspaper and then they go to court for the first time
and plead “not guilty” how often people get upset at that plea? 
I am not one of them. One hearing does not drag a case out and cost
the community “so much money” as people will claim, for one, for
two in a lot of the cases a judge will already enter a not guilty
plea for a defendant in the initially hearing.  While officially a
plea has to be entered into the record, the initial hearing is really
where the judge reads the charges and officially charges the person
and tells them if and how much jail time they could face.  It is also
at this hearing where the defendant is told of their LEGAL right to
representation.  It is not unheard of for a defendant to enter the
courtroom with an attorney but those who cannot afford one have the
right to be represented by law and the initial hearing is when that
happens.  There is generally so much that goes into preparing a case
and later possibly offering a plea deal that the average defendant
does not understand and needs counsel.  With that being said, you do
not always here an attorney make a statement right away.  It is not
unheard of however and that was the case here.  Steven&#39;s attorney
very early on stated that he was innocent of the charges and stated
“there&#39;s a lot more to this story than has been told.”  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;That
all changed when in early 2007 Steven Schiovone pleaded guilty to
second degree murder and in May of that year he was sentenced to
thirty years in prison.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
2010 Susan&#39;s mother began an event  where every February diapers and
newborn items were collected for mothers and donated in Susan&#39;s
honor.  It is called a Remembrance Baby Shower.  Her mother died in
July of 2016 and had been the main organizer of the event  The
following February Susan&#39;s sister took over the reigns but that year
was a bit different that one year where they collected just diapers
and at a much lower level than past years.  Her sister explained that
this was due to her mother&#39;s passing and vowed to continue the event
every year and back to normal operations by 2018.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
mentioned this case in my last blog.  In fact, I had just learned of
this case when I was doing research for the last.  I love these sorts
of cases but they prove very difficult to research.  This case took
place in 1901, execution were conducted in 1903 but the story started
many, many years before that in the 1800&#39;s which makes things harder
to confirm and separate fact from fiction.  The core story, the
execution of three brothers within just a few minutes of each other,
is the one thing that cannot be disputed so please bare with me as I
attempt to tell you the story that led up to this event.  I can tell
you that these events all occurred in the state of New York but I
cannot necessarily tell you exactly where as nothing seemed to be
consistent.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
three brothers were named Willis, Burton and Frederick Van Wormer. 
The first dispute not just how old they were but in what order they
were born.  The one thing that does seem to remain consistent is that
Burton was the middle son.  My initial research stated that Frederick
was the oldest and that Willis was the youngest but later research
indicated this was the other way around.  Findagrave.com is one of
the things that says Willis was the oldest but to be fair there are
no tombstones available to see nor any other real documents to prove
this. I attempted to find an 1880 census record to see if I could
maybe fix this confusion but I was unable to do so.  That could be
for many reasons.  One is that there is some confusion on the name of
their father.  Findagrave states that their father&#39;s name was Charles
while a website called Executed Today says his name was John.  Of
course his name could have been John Charles.  Other information
indicated that their mother&#39;s name was Ella Smith.  I was able to
find a census record from 1880 with a Charles Van Wormer married to
an “Ella S.” located in New York but there were no children
listed as I could tell. By the dates I have seen by 1880 they should
have had at least two sons. However, from here on out I will be
referring to their parents as Charles and Ella.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
never found anything to indicate that there may have been more
children born to Charles and Ella, but then again, I never found
anything that indicated that there were not.  At the time of their
executions in 1903 it was said the boys&#39; ages ranged from twenty to
twenty-six.  So this would have had the youngest, whoever he may be,
to be born around 1883 (Findagrave shows the youngest being born in
1881).  My early research stated that Ella has passed away when the
boys were “very young.” I found something else that stated her
year of death as being 1885.  If Findagrave is correct on the years
of birth for the children (even if they may be out of order, or not),
it made the oldest of the three children to only be nine or ten.  It
was said that Charles was a steamship captain and was gone nearly all
of the time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;My
next set of conflicting information came from where the children went
after the death of their mother.  It appears that an unnamed aunt
raised them but whether it was in the home that the children occupied
with their parents or in another home is unclear.  Regardless it was
said that an uncle, Peter Hallenbeck, had the “mortgage” on the
home. Peter was married to Margaret Smith, the sister of Ella.  It
was said that Charles sent money back home for the raising of his
children.  It was also indicated that this money was quite a lot for
the times and the boys wanted for nothing.  Of course some of this
could have also been because of the sympathy that was poured upon
them.  It seems not just family members, but the community itself
felt sorry for the children after their mother died, which may have
led to the boys being less disciplined or controlled than they should
have been.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;It
was said that the boys, at an early age became undisciplined and
their antics began “nocturnal larks” meaning things done at
night.  There were indications that the boys were cruel to small
animals such as cats and were rather bullish when they went to
school, which was said to be only when they wanted to.  Despite their
antics it was also said that the boys were quite charming and
respectful to elders, at least apparently to their faces. This all
with the outpouring of sympathy towards them did not seem to help
matters.  The boys were soon in to petty thievery and when they were
discovered much of the time they were “chalked up to boys being
boys.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;But,
as time went on and the boys got older and less disciplined their
crimes became more heinous.  In September of 1900 Charles died and so
the income he had been sending back home now ceased.  The boys had
never had to work and had relied on their thievery and the money sent
by their father.  It is unclear what happened to the “aunt” that
had cared for them but apparently the boys lived alone, together, at
that time.  Without Charles&#39; money the boys expanded on their crimes.
 It was said that they became MAJOR chicken thieves in the area and
would raid farms for miles, and miles around. They would apparently
steal the chicken and then sell them into other cities or states. 
There was a report that at some point their barn had been opened and
that while there were no chickens inside, there were enough feathers
to make everyone in the county a pillow.  They also began carrying
guns with them and threatened anyone who resisted them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Now,
instead of having sympathy for the boys, the town now feared them. 
The boys&#39; uncle, Peter Hallenbeck had also defended his nephews up to
this point.  Hallenbeck was well respected and fairly influential in
the area.  It was said that over the years he had paid more than
$1,000 (a lot of money back then) cleaning up their messes.  But, by
the summer of 1901 even he had been pushed to the brink it seems.  No
one in the town stood up to the boys out of fear but Peter Hallenbeck
apparently had an ace up his sleeve.  As I mentioned before, the home
in which the boys lived in was technically owned by Hallenbeck. It is
unclear if he had received monies over the years for the home when
Charles had been alive but it was also said that by 1901 he still
held the mortgage to the home and he decided the only way to get the
boys out of the area was to foreclose on the home and kick the boys
out and that is exactly what he did.  The boys ended up moving to the
town of Kinderhook which was said to be close to twenty miles away
from where they had grown up.  It was also said that the boys were
seething now at the actions of their uncle.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
December 24, 1901 Peter Hallenbeck, his wife and mother were at his
home.  He saw a buggy pull up and four men get out.  It was indicated
that Peter did not recognize the men but commented that he believed
they were likely chicken thieves.  Margaret Hallenbeck and her mother
in law apparently went up to the attic to hide and Peter went and
grabbed his shotgun.  It was said that there was then a knock on the
door and when Peter opened it there were two men wearing masks and
two men with face paint and beards who opened fire on him.  He was
shot 11 times and died almost immediately.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Of
course the brothers, along with a cousin, Harvey Bruce who had often
ran with them on their exploits, were the first suspects.  That was
not the only evidence however.  There were footprints in the snow
that eventually matched the boys&#39; shoes.  There was also a hoof print
from a horse with a “deformed” foot and an odd shaped shoe. 
Those prints led back to a stable in Kinderbrook.  The owner of the
horse stated that he had rented the horse to none other than Burton
Van Wormer.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;All
three of the brothers and their cousin Harvey Bruce were arrested. 
To avoid the death penalty Bruce testified against the brothers.  It
is unclear exactly what kind of sentence he received or what happened
to him after the crime. The trial began on March 31, 1902.  The
defense attempted to say that it was a “prank gone wrong” and
claimed that they only fired at Peter when he pointed a shotgun at
him first. There were reports that a shotgun was found next to his
body.  There was also evidence from the person who stated they had
sold the men the disguises.  The jury did not believe this was a
prank and convicted the three brothers giving them each a sentence of
death.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
surprised to learn that the electric chair had been invented as early
as it was.  It was first used in 1890.  New York adopted the method
in 1899.  The brothers were held at Clinton State Prison in
Dannemora.  It was one of only three prisons at the time that
conducted executions with Clinton being the least famous, and the
least used.  It was said that there were only 26 executions there,
three of them being the Van Wormer brothers.  They were executed on
October 1, 1903, one right after another.  It was said that each one
went smoothly and it was all over within about fifteen minutes. 
Their bodies were transported back to Kinderhook where they were
buried in a local cemetery.  There are no markers, although it is
said there is a post with the number “2” near where one of the
boys lay.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
found an interesting article attached to Margaret Hallenbeck&#39;s
memorial on Findagrave.com.  It stated that after the trial Margaret,
who apparently had no children with her deceased husband, Peter, the
victim, in this case, was concerned that the brothers may benefit
from her death so she made sure to made out a will.  There was a line
in the article that stated, “Bequests were also made to her sisters
with the exception of Mrs. Van Wormer, mother of the boys. She is
allowed the use of a small portion.  The Van Wormer boys are cut off
absolutely.”  Now, I could see if their mother would have been
mentioned, even though she had passed, many, many years ago, so that
it was clear that her estate was not to be fully passed to her
siblings and therefore their children.  However, the notion that “she
is allowed the use of a small portion” was completely puzzling
considering that Ella Smith Van Wormer died in 1885, nearly twenty
years prior.  Obviously the reporter was either informed or something
was going on here but I point this out because this is just one
example of how difficult these cases are to put together sometimes. 
Margaret did in fact die in July of 1903 before the brothers were
executed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;These
two brothers were listed, one after another, in my list of cases and
I decided to go ahead and do both of their cases, even though their
crimes are not related to each other.  The fact that brothers, or
relatives at all, can spend time in prison for separate crimes is not
all that unusual but what is unusual and said to be unique is that
they were both executed in two different states for two different
crimes, several miles and years apart.  My research stated that there
have only been three sets of brothers executed in history but they
were the only ones involved in different crimes.  That being said I
did a little research to see if I could determine if this was true.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
did find three other cases of brothers.  One of those cases, that of
Jonathon and Reginald Carr from Wichita Kansas I have already blogged
about.  But, those brothers are still sitting on death row.  I should
point out that in January of 2022 the state affirmed their death
sentences but it is unclear if or when that will that place.  Another
case of brothers is the case of Karl and Walter LeGrand, whose case
is on my list now.  They were executed in February and March of 1999
by the state of Arizona when a person was killed during a bank
robbery they were involved with.  The third case I had never heard of
and made it to my list for a future blog (maybe soon).  It was the
case of Willis, Burton and Fred VanWormer who were convicted and
sentenced to death in 1902 for the murder of their uncle the previous
year.  The three brothers were executed by the state of New York in
1903, all within fifteen minutes of each other. Strangely these were
a bit difficult to find without having specific names.  As far as I
can tell these were the only cases of such and so it does appear that
the Berget brothers were in fact unique.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
Berget brothers had a rough bringing.  It was said in the cases of
both brothers that their father, Benford, was an abusive man.  Some
reports say that after he failed as a farmer in South Dakota he began
to drink heavily and this contributed to things.  It was also said
that both boys, Roger being two years older than Rodney, were the
last of their children and born after the failed farming attempt. 
When I was researching Roger&#39;s case there was even a mention that
allegedly around the age of “nine or ten” his father had kicked
him out of the home.  It was said that he was living in an abandoned
home and his mother would bring him food there.  It went on to say
that when his father found out about this he beat both Roger and his
mother and proceeded to burn down the abandoned house.  Now, this is
one of those things that was stated but I could not determine if it
was factual but I thought the allegation was rather significant.  The
boys&#39; parents divorced in the early 1970&#39;s and both boys started
getting into trouble with the law.  I found something that stated
that both boys had done “prison” time for the first time in their
teens.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Throughout
their lives the two boys were in and out of prison.  In 1986 Roger
was arrested in Oklahoma when he and another man on robbery charges. 
It was at this time that Roger confessed that he and another friend,
Mikell Smith had kidnapped and killed a man named Rick Patterson in
1985.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
October 20, 1985 thirty-three year old Rick Lee Patterson, a middle
school math teacher,  was headed to his car in a grocery store
parking lot.  Roger and Smith forced him into the passenger seat the
car and while Roger drove the vehicle, Smith sat in the back.  They
drove to a deserted area and tied Patterson&#39;s hands and taped his
mouth and placed him in the trunk of the car.  The two drove to an
“isolated” area and when they opened the trunk they discovered
that Patterson had gotten his hands free.  They re-tied his hands
behind his back this time and had him stand next to a tree.  This is
where Patterson was shot and killed with a shotgun.  Some reports say
that Roger shot the man twice, others say it was Smith who did this. 
A witnessed testified at one of the trials stating that Smith had
told him that he and Roger had each shot Patterson in an attempt to
make them both culpable so they could not snitch on each other. 
Regardless of which of the two men did the shooting, the following
day Patterson&#39;s body was found by two hunters. Three days later
Patterson&#39;s car was found in a field near Tulsa.... it had been
burned out.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
1987 Roger pleaded guilty to first degree murder but he changed his
previous confession saying that he had not shot Patterson at all but
that Smith had done the shooting.  The thing I found interesting
about this was that Roger apparently pleaded guilty without any sort
of deal from the prosecution.  Prosecutors wanted the death penalty
and barring a deal that takes that off the table or cases where the
defendant wants the death penalty, capital cases should be taken to
trial regardless of the evidence.  I mean, let&#39;s be real, there no
sentence worse than death and if you take the case to trial the worse
that can happen is the death penalty is imposed, which you are
already at risk of receiving without a deal from prosecutors.  And,
Roger&#39;s case is a prime example why I believe in this.  The judge did
ultimately sentence him to death.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
want to point out here that it was said that when Roger confessed to
the murder of Patterson, he also allegedly confessed to the murder of
a man named James Meadows.  This case has also made it to my list of
future cases because it appears that Roger was not the only one
involved and I am even unsure that it was confirmed he was involved. 
I found an article in which it stated that Meadows&#39; step-son, Mark
Liles, who himself was an inmate on Oklahoma death row was being
investigated as being involved along with his mother, and James&#39;
wife, LaDonna.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Between
his guilty plea and his sentencing Roger testified in Mikell Smith&#39;s
trial.  At his trial Roger&#39;s story changed again.  He testified for
the defense arguing that Smith was not involved or present at the
time.  Roger&#39;s attorney would later say that he believed his client
did this out of fear of Smith.  Smith was also ultimately convicted
and sentenced to death but in 1992 was granted a re-trial.  Before
that could happen he made a deal in which he pleaded guilty and was
given a sentence of life without parole.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Over
the next several years Roger&#39;s attorney&#39;s argued against his sentence
and asked for clemency several times.  They often pointed out that in
the many years Roger spend on death row he had never received any
sort of write up or been in any trouble.  And yet, his
co-conspirator, Smith, not only was not on death row, while in prison
he had killed another inmate, stabbed a guard and stabbed another
inmate.  According to the Oklahoma Department of Corrections Smith is
serving four sentences.  Of course there is the life without parole
in the Patterson murder but he received a 500 year sentence in 1992
for assault, another life without parole sentence in 1994 for murder
and in 2014 he received another fifty years for second degree murder.
 &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Roger&#39;s
attorney&#39;s failed in their bid to receive clemency for him and on
June 8, 2000, at the age of thirty-nine Roger Berget was executed by
the state of Oklahoma.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Just
a few months after Roger pleaded guilty to murder in Oklahoma his
brother, Rodney, who was serving time in a South Dakota prison on
charges of grand theft and escape, made another escape attempt and
succeeded.  Rodney, along with five other inmates greased their
bodies up with lotion, slipped through a hole in air vents and then
cut through some window bars and escaped.  It was said that Rodney
was a fugitive for more than a month.  I found no details on how he
was captured or any sentence he may have received as a result.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
2002 Rodney was released from prison.  It was said that his sister
threw him a 40&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; birthday party, his first birthday party.
 But by the following year he was back in prison.  This time he got a
life sentence for attempted murder and kidnapping.  In 2011 once
again Rodney was thinking of escaping. It was said that over the
period of several months Rodney and fellow inmate Eric Robert devised
a plan.  On April 12, 2011 the two men ambushed a guard by the name
of Ronald “R.J.” Johnson.  It was Johnson&#39;s sixty-third birthday
and it was said he was nearing retirement after nearly twenty-four
years in service.  Rodney and Robert beat Johnson with a pipe and
then covered his head in plastic eventually smothering him.  When
they were done Robert put on Johnson&#39;s uniform and hat and the two
put two boxes on a cart.  Rodney was inside one of the boxes.  It was
said that they made it through one gate but were stopped at the
second by another guard.  That guard was assaulted but the escape
plan failed.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Both
Rodney and Robert were given the death penalty.  It is unclear
whether they pleaded guilty or took their cases to trial.  A third
inmate, Michael Norman was given a life sentence for providing the
pipe to the two men.  Eric Robert fairly quickly it seems gave up his
fight for an appeal and was executed on October 15, 2012.  In 2016
Rodney filed an appeal to fight the death sentence but it was said
that on advice of his counsel he decided to not more forward with it
and he too abandoned his appeals.  It seems that the idea of spending
the rest of his life in prison was less appealing to him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
October 29, 2018 the state of South Dakota executed Rodney Berget. 
Both Rodney and Roger were buried together in the same cemetery as
their mother who passed away in 2005.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;We
hear the phrase “born evil” a lot and I would gander to say that
many people may believe this is possible of many murderers,
especially serial killers.  What I think this story shows is that
while yes, we could argue maybe the boys were “evil” but that
sometimes it&#39;s nurture, not nature that plays a role. If the story
about Roger being kicked out of the home at the age of nine or ten is
true then what kind of life did these children have?  It was said
that their legal troubles began in their teenage years and after
their parents divorced.  I did not hear about what kind of
relationship they may have had with their father after the divorce
but it does appear that both of their parents remarried. It seems
that they were early pre-teens at the time of the divorce so clearly
old enough to have known and witnessed the dynamics in the home.  It
is likely that their mother had little to no control over them as it
appears she had little or no control over herself while married to
their father. While we could sit here and argue all day about how
they got there, why they got there or even whether they deserved to
be executed I am sitting her thinking of Charles Manson.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Now,
I am not necessarily  trying to compare the Berget brothers to Mason
as far as evil or crime wise as that is for another day.  Maybe they
were just as bad, maybe they were not.  But, he comes to mind because
he was most comfortable in prison.  He had spent most of his life in
and out of juvenile homes, county and state prisons.  He knew very
little of life outside prison walls …. even in 1969 when he was on
Spahn Ranch and out of prison for a short period.  Maybe they spent
so much time in prisons for the same reason.  It may very well have
been the best and only real home they knew or were comfortable in.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
have put together over 800 blogs here.  Most, although admittedly,
not all involve murder. I have read countless appeals in cases and
have almost exclusively true crime books for decades.  I am in many
true crime groups and even “death hag” groups on social media.  I
hear stories all the time.  I read about them; I see pictures; I
study them.  It takes a lot to surprise when it comes to brutality;
it takes even more to have gasp when I am reading about how a crime
took place.  This is one of those cases.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
often talk about how I come across cases and how they make it to a
list I have compiled.  Initially I removed the cases from the list
when I blogged about them but I found that that hindered me from
realizing I may have already done a case.  That being said, not every
case I have blogged about is on it.  I generally have a sub-list
started that I add to the bigger list later and when I do that
sometimes I will work off that list first and not add them to the
larger one.  When I do blog about a case, or on the rare occasion in
which I have researched the case and discovered there is just not
enough information to put together, I highlight it to indicate it has
been done or leave a note with it as to why I did not.  That list is
over 1600 cases long at this point.  I do not always know where the
cases come from.  Sometimes they come from a list of cases I have
found on a website online; sometimes I get in a groove where I am
watching a true crime series and cases come from there.  By the time
I do them I do not always know exactly where I heard about the case.
I can only assume that I got the name Jeremy Musall for this based on
something to do with Indiana crimes, but I cannot say for sure.  I am
quite surprised that as many times as I thought I went though the
list, often one by one, this case has never popped out to me.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
first thing that I came across in my research was an appeal filed by
Jeremy Musall in 2013.  As I stated earlier, this was a case that
while I read about the crimes that Musall committed and the brutality
that he placed on his victims I was left gasping out loud.  I was
surprised to discover that the state did not seek the death penalty
despite the fact that the last person executed in the state was
Matthew Wrinkles in 2009.  I did actually find an article in which
the prosecutor in Parke County Indiana very quickly stated that he
would not be seeking the death penalty.  There was speculation that
this was because the last time the county had done so was several
years prior and it had cost the county a lot of money and the judge
gave the defendant a sentence of life without parole.  When
specifically asked if this was the reason for not seeking death for
Musall the prosecutor failed to answer.  As a reader you have often
heard me say that I am not necessarily for or against the death
penalty.  I do believe that in particularly heinous crimes and where
there are absolutely no questions as to who committed the crime I do
find it an appropriate sentence.  In my opinion, this case absolutely
deserved to have the death penalty on the table.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
August of 2011 Jeremy Musall was twenty-eight years old.  He was
divorced, although I cannot say for how long, and he had a son but I
cannot tell you how old he was.  Musall had a pretty substantial
criminal history full of violence.  He had several arrests, at least
one that resulted to jail time between 2006 and 2011. What I believe
happened that resulted in less jail time than he deserved or would
have gotten is it seems that each and every time he pleaded guilty to
the crimes which likely resulted in a much lower sentence.  In one
case, in December of 2008 he was sentenced to a year in prison from a
charge of “felony battery resulting in serious bodily injury.” 
By 2011 he had at least four previous charges of battery resulting in
bodily injury, a charge of misdemeanor domestic violence, two charges
of disorderly conduct, two charges of public intoxication and a
charge of resisting law enforcement.  It was also found that he
repeatedly violated his probation on these charges that led to
fourteen additional charges throughout that time.  And yet, aside
from his crime in 2011 I only found one other time in which he spent
time in a state prison and that was from the 2008 battery charge
where he was sentenced to a year.  It was later said by a victim in
his 2011 case “You almost took another man&#39;s life a few years ago
and they let you out and gave you another chance.”  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
know I have rambled, as I tend to do from time to time, before
getting to the case before us but I wanted you to have a picture of
Jeremy Musall.  I wanted you, the reader, to see that the crime
Musall committed in 2011 could have possibly been prevented. 
Officials had many opportunities to incarcerate Musall and prevent
what occurred but especially in 2008 when he apparently severely
injured another man.  Murder is not the only thing that can result in
a lengthy prison sentence and that was the last of many crimes before
2011.  I could sit here and tell you that officials in the State of
Indiana should be held accountable for murder and I am unsure that I
am wrong, but as we know, that is not how the legal system works.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
2008 a woman named Tanya Yeagley began dating a man named Joseph
“Joe” Snow.  The two would date “off and on” for the next
several years and early 2010 they had a daughter together.  In
mid-2011 it was said that Tanya Yeagley dated Jeremy Musall for a
period of three months.  It appears as if they had just recently
split up and Tanya and Joe got back together.  It was not completely
clear if on the day of August 12, 2011 if they were officially living
together at a mobile home in Rocky Fork Lake in Parke County Indiana
but they were together. Tanya would later say that throughout the
entire day she received several threatening text messages from Jeremy
Musall.  It is unclear if she reported them or just simply did as
many of us do and ignored them.  Later, Musall showed up at the home
unannounced.  It was said that Tanya wanted to conceal the fact that
she and Joe were back together from Musall so when he showed up Joe
had gone and hid in a closet until he left.  I found nothing that
stated what was said or done at this point either between Musall and
Tanya or what Tanya or Joe may or may not have reported.  I have to
presume that while it seems clear they were worried about Musall they
had not contacted authorities.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Tanya
and Joe had planned to go to one of their mother&#39;s homes but it was
said that instead they stayed home and went to bed. It was unclear
whether this decision was because of Musall or not.  Tanya would
later say that at some point in the middle of the night she was
awaken to find Musall in the bedroom and he had begun to beat Joe
Snow.  Joe was knocked unconscious for a period of time and during
that time Musall had demanded their cell phones.  Tanya gave him hers
but he did not get Joe&#39;s.  At some point the badly hurt Joe woke up
and tried to escape by crawling through the home.  Musall chased him
down, catching him in the kitchen.  Musall repeatedly punched Joe and
began strangling him all while saying “You&#39;re gonna fucking die
tonight.”  This was a phrase that Tanya would later say he said
more than a few times, not just to Joe but to her too.  After
subduing Joe, Musall headed back to the bedroom where he grabbed
Tanya by the hair and drug her into the front room while also
punching her repeatedly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;While
all of this was going on Tanya and Joe&#39;s daughter had woken up.  She
was twenty months old at this time.  She was not just crying but she
was said to be slipping and sliding in the blood, mainly that
belonging to her father.  Tanya said Musall repeatedly also
threatened the life of their daughter.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Once
both Tanya and Joe were in the front room of the home Tanya would say
that Musall sat down, lit a cigarette and began drinking a beer. 
Musall proceeded to put the cigarette out in Joe Snow&#39;s eye!  He then
beat Joe, while Tanya and their daughter watched, with a vacuum
cleaner until it broke.  He then went into the kitchen and got a
knife and began stabbing him. After this he bound Joe with duct tape
and the vacuum cleaner cord.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Next
he insisted that Tanya take a shower.  It was not completely clear
whether he took the shower with her.  He then raped her first
vaginally and then attempted, more than once, to rape her anally.  He
proceeded to perform cunnilingus on her and forced her to do the same
to him.  All the while he was taking pictures with his phone.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Tanya
was supposed to be at work at 6:00 that morning and when she did not
show her phone rang.  Musall told her to call them back and tell them
she would not be into work that day.  She later stated that while she
was preparing to do this Musall discovered that Joe had died.  Musall
removed the tape and vacuum cord and wrapped Joe&#39;s body in a quilt. 
He then placed Joe&#39;s body in the trunk of the car he had borrowed to
drive to the home, grabbed Joe and Tanya&#39;s daughter, telling her that
the child was going with him and she was to follow him in her car and
if she did not both she and her daughter would die.  Tanya asked to
get the child&#39;s diaper bag and Musall allowed her to do so.  When she
did she found Joe&#39;s phone under the bed, grabbed it and hid it in her
clothing.  As she was following Musall to the next county over where
he planned to basically dump Joe&#39;s body, Tanya used Joe&#39;s phone and
called 911.  Authorities responded but not before Musall dumped Joe&#39;s
body in a cornfield and then got away.  Tanya let them know who he
was and that he had family in nearby Cloverdale.  Shortly authorities
found Musall at a family members home and found Tanya daughter
unharmed.  Some reports stated that it was Musall&#39;s mothers home
where he was arrested, another said it was his grandmother&#39;s home. 
It is unclear which is correct.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
August 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Musall was officially charged.  He was charged
with murder, felony murder, two counts of burglary causing bodily
injury (one for Tanya, one for Joe), felony rape and felony
kidnapping.  As I stated earlier, the prosecution fairly quickly
announced they would not be seeking the death penalty.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Joe&#39;s
official cause of death was listed as blunt force trauma to the head
and strangulation.  He had twenty different head and brain injuries.
He had several skull fractures, a crushed windpipe and broken ribs. 
There was evidence of manual and ligature strangulation.  Tanya was
taken to the hospital and examined.  She had multiple bruises and
scrapes on her scalp, face and ears.  She had swelling, redness and
discoloration around her throat area and her arms, legs and back were
covered in bruises.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;A
year later, in August of 2012 Musall went to trial in Rockville
Indiana in Parke County.  I found little regarding the trial and what
may or may not have been presented.  I did discover that on August
12&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Musall was sentenced to 165 years.  A few of the
charges like the two kidnapping charges were to be served
concurrently, meaning at the same time... but ultimately he was
ordered to serve the 165 year sentence.  Prosecutors were asking for
215 years, but really when you get that many years, does it really
matter?  The judge stated that the aggravating circumstances far
outweighed any mitigating circumstances that were presented.  He has
to serve eighty-four years before he is even eligible for parole in
February of 2095.  He will be one hundred and twelve years old so he
will not be set free.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
2013 Musall appealed the sentence saying it was “too harsh.”  The
courts disagreed.  In fact, the court was quoted as saying “Musall&#39;s
offenses are among the worst we have seen.”  It was said that his
sentence was an “aggravated term.”  Now, I can tell you how they
come to that conclusion but I am unsure that I know if it made a
difference in how much of his time he would have to serve.  I suspect
that it is very little considering that he is only required to serve
three years more than 50% of his sentence before being eligible for
parole.  What the court meant by the aggravated terms was the fact
that Musall did not just shoot and murder Joe Snow... he tortured,
strangled and beat him more than was ever needed to kill him.  When
it came to the rape of Tanya he did much more than “just rape”
her... he beat and attempted to strangle her also. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
I was reading through the account of how things happened I was simply
appalled.  Not only did he torture and murder Joe, he tortured, beat
and made Tanya realistically believe she and her daughter were next. 
Authorities and judges have said they hope that the baby, who slipped
in her own father&#39;s blood was too young to remember this incident but
regardless her entire life was altered on that night!  This is one of
those cases where I can confidently say he deserves to be UNDER the
prison.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/733127823991722412/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/jeremy-musall.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/733127823991722412'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/733127823991722412'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/jeremy-musall.html' title='Jeremy Musall'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-8960240256510304622</id><published>2022-06-21T06:58:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2022-06-21T06:58:33.405-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Ana Roybal"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Kerrville Texas"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Mary Moon"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Mental illness"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="murder of a sibling"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Twisted Sisters"/><title type='text'>Ana Roybal</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;CENTER&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
was a bit surprised at how little I found on this story.  If I had
not found an appeal on this case with some good information I am
unsure that I would have even sat down to compose this story and I
find that odd considering the case and the things involved.  There
has been an episode of the show, “Twisted Sisters” that dealt
with this case and while I cannot recall that may be where I first
heard this story.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
August 25, 2001 a man named Erik Anderson and his wife were driving
past The 720 Club, a place described as being used by “self help
groups” such as AA and others, in Kerrville Texas when they saw two
women in the parking lot having an argument.  He had his wife stop
the car, called 911 and went towards the women.  As he did one of
women, later to be determined to be Ana Roybal, threw a knife (not in
his direction apparently) and took off running.  Ana ran into the
building with Erik Anderson chasing her.  He finally caught up with
her and detained her until the police would arrive.  As he was doing
so Ana was screaming and yelling something about her social security
checks.  At the time no one knew for sure what she was talking about.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
the parking lot would lay Mary Moon, Ana&#39;s sister.  She had been
stabbed at least four times and one of those stab wounds punctured
her heart.  She was taking to the hospital and died a few hours later
there.  And, while it seems that Ana was arrested on that day it was
several days before she was officially charged with murder on
September 6&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  She would plead not guilty by reason of
insanity.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
found reports that stated that in 1986 Ana had given birth to a son
she named Michael but that she had almost immediately abandoned him
with what it said was HER grandparents but I cannot confirm this.  It
may have actually been her parents and Michael&#39;s grandparents but I
cannot be sure.  It was said that she eventually lost custody of him.
 In 1995 her died and Mary, who was married without children began
taking care of Michael.  I was unable to determine when or where Ana
was throughout all of this time.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Apparently
at some point she had come back.  At the time of the murder it was
said that Ana had accused Mary of stealing her social security
checks, having sex with her ex-boyfriend and for “allowing men to
sexually assault her seventeen year old son.”  I found nothing to
state that these allegations were true in anyway.  That being said, I
would be remiss if I also did not point out that I found nothing that
said they were false either.  In fact, I found nothing at all other
than the allegations so I am uncertain how Ana had come to these
conclusions.  It was eluded to that these were basically ideas that
she had conjured in her head.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Ana&#39;s
trial began on August 5, 2002. Several witnesses testified that she
had “a history of bizarre and erratic behavior for many years”
leading up to the murder.  Two expert witnesses testified that she
was “psychotic and delusional” at the time of the murder.  I did
find something that stated that Ana “had been prescribed medication
for schizophrenia and other mental conditions” but it was not
specific whether this had been going on for years or only
discovered/treated after her arrest.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
found very little about what the prosecution argued at trial but I
can only assume that they argued she was not “insane.”  That is
not a difficult thing to do though and there have been many arguments
over the years about the rule of court when it comes to insanity.  I
have said it many times here before but the long and short of it is
that if the person knows the difference between right and wrong then
they are not legally considered insane.  This is called The M&#39;Naghten
Rule in which has been considered, with very few alterations or edits
since the mid- 1800&#39;s.  Many have argued that the law itself is
antiquated and I am unsure that I can disagree.  We obviously know
so, so much more about mental illness today than we did in the 1800&#39;s
and I think making this basically a black and white issue is not
necessarily justice.  The only case in which I can think off the top
of my head in which was ever considered differently, and then only
after a trial and a conviction, is the case of Andrea Yates who
drowned her children.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
jury convicted Ana and she was sentenced to sixty years in prison. 
According to the Texas Department of Corrections website she is
eligible for parole in September of 2031 but they have her projected
date of parole listed as her maximum date which is in September of
2061.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
did find something else interesting on the Department of Corrections
website.  In 1997 Ana was sentenced to two years on charges of
“injury to a child.”  I found nothing else related to this so I
cannot give details but I did find this interesting. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Obviously
with such little information I cannot say for certain whether I
believe the jury “got it right” or not and in those cases I
always defer to the jury and believe that they did.  I can only
assume that they relied on the M&#39;Naghten Rule in determining her
guilt which is the legal way to do things but I question whether this
is one of those cases in which I believe that rule to be inadequate
to use.  I say this because I do know people who suffer not just from
mental illness but from schizophrenia in particular.  I am not one
who believes that mental illness is a reason or an excuse to “get
away” with murder, but I do believe that in cases such as these
things should be looked into more and considered at a different
level.  I want to know things about when she was diagnosed with
mental illness; was she prescribed medication at the time of the
murder, and was she taking it; just how severe was her mental illness
and how far back had this been an issue.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
lay people we often say that for someone to commit murder they must
be “crazy” and while on the surface that may sound legit, I think
that too goes too far “the other way” from the M&#39;Naghten Rule.  I
believe there must be some sort of happy medium somewhere that takes
into account mental illness or at the very least addresses this and
provides some sort of therapy if there is going to be incarceration. 
This is something we are hearing a lot about especially at local
levels.  Jails are being overcrowded as it is and many are filled
with people who keep returning because they are not receiving the
care they need when they are there.  I suspect Ana falls into this
category, but then again I could be wrong.  Maybe she cannot be
helped and maybe being kept away from the public is the best
solution, at least at this time. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
am putting this case together literally the day after the verdict was
read.  I admit that I heard a little about case throughout the trial
but really knew very little about it except for the fact it was a
case of a wife murdering her husband with a kitchen knife.  I also
heard rumors that her husband used to be her stepfather, but again, I
knew none of the details.  Today it is difficult to find those
details because the first things to pop up revolve around the
verdict.  I do know that domestic violence was alleged and after the
verdict the case was often compared to the now infamous Depp V. Heard
trial that ended earlier this month.  More specifically many of the
law shows talked about the difference between Amber Heard&#39;s testimony
and that of Danielle Redlick.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
I said finding deep specifics about this case proved to be a bit
difficult but I will do the best that I can and hopefully any of you
that watched the trial or know more can chime in.  What I can tell
you is that at the time of his death Michael Redlick was sixty-five
years old.  His wife, Danielle was twenty years younger than he and
they had been married for fifteen years at that point.  So, they were
approximately thirty and fifty years old at the time of their
marriage.  They also had a fifteen year old daughter and an eleven
year old son at the time of his death.  At some point Michael had
been married to Danielle&#39;s mother and after she died Michael and
Danielle got together. Nothing was ever clear anywhere how old
Danielle was when Michael became her stepfather or how long Michael
and her mother were married.  I saw things that said neither side
super addressed this in the trial.  The prosecution of course would
not want to but it would have seemed helpful to the defense, or it
could have been, again depending on how long that marriage had lasted
and how old Danielle was when it began.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Some
of you may be asking yourself why I feel the stepfather/stepdaughter
relationship could have been important... here is why.  In most
families that involve a stepparent that stepparent is give authority
over the children.  They are expected to respect them and listen to
them just as they would any parent.  Depending on how old Danielle
was when her mother entered the relationship with Michael can make a
huge difference because it would have set the tone for Michael and
Danielle&#39;s relationship.  While we do not often use the words
dominant and submissive in every day relationships, we do hear about
them in ones in which there are allegations of abuse and we do not
generally use those words when describing parent/child relationships
but in this case that dynamic was different.  If Michael was a huge
authority figure to Danielle when he was her stepfather and she
basically “did as she was told” then it would not be a stretch to
believe that that dynamic remained between them when they became
romantically involved.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
the morning of January 12, 2019 Danielle Redlick called 911 from her
Winter Park Florida home.  She reported that there had been a
“tragedy” in her home and she believed her husband was
“deceased.”  She even told the 911 operator that she believed he
may have had a heart attack.  Now, over time Danielle&#39;s story would
change repeatedly.  In another version she attempted to say that
Michael had stabbed himself.  At her trial she told another story
that involved self defense.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Now,
I have heard and seen stories where there were comments that Michael
was stabbed several times but from everything I could find that was
not the case.  He had one stab wound to his left shoulder, done
admittedly, or obviously, not sure if it was both, and coroner
believed he had defensive wounds on his arms or hands.  Whether the
coroner believed those “defensive wounds” were from the knife I
cannot say.  But, here is where it gets a bit sticky.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Even
before her trial it was determined that after Michael had been
stabbed Danielle had waited about eleven hours before she called 911.
 Prosecutors say that within that eleven hours she got on a dating
website, attempted to clean up the blood in the house and his body
and may even slept before later cutting her own wrists. I do want to
say that I cannot say for certain that she cut her wrists prior to
the 911 call but I found nothing that stated she spoke of this on her
911 call.  So, either she had done it prior and did not call 911 for
herself at all, or she did it after the 911 call and prior to the
police arriving to the home.  She seemingly did not, or could not
dispute these things from happening.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
following month she was arrested on charges of second degree murder
and tampering with evidence. At some point she was offered a plea
deal where if she pleaded guilty to manslaughter she would receive a
sentence of ten years.  She rejected that deal.  Her trial began on
June 5, 2022 and lasted until June 17&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;.  After four hours
of deliberations the jury returned with their verdict.  They found
her not guilty on the murder charge, but guilty on the tampering
charge. I knew the case was going on and when it started but had only
really turned my television on on the last day.  The jury had
returned that morning to deliberate so I knew they had only been
deliberating for a few hours.  I left my house and I received a
notification on my phone (through the Court TV app) that a verdict
had been reached.  Again, knowing very little about the case other
than she was facing a murder charge I remember thinking to myself
this was a not guilty verdict.  I just did not feel that they had
been out long enough to come back with guilty.  That being said I was
unaware at the time about the tampering charge but even still I
believe that was likely an easy decision to come to.  Police officers
had reported smelling bleach when they entered the home and found
Michael&#39;s bloody shirt under some blood soaked towels.  It was also
said that there were “swirls” on the floor indicating there had
been some mopping.  But, lets be fair... she obviously did not
completely clean up the scene before officers got there or they would
not have seen these things.  I think that is important and I will
touch on that later.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
prosecution argued that Danielle was the aggressor in the family and
that she had murdered Michael so that she could have a “new life.”
 They pointed to her going to a dating website, her lies to 911, her
changing story, and stated that her slitting her wrists was a sign of
guilt.  Danielle and Michael&#39;s now eighteen year old daughter
testified against her mother saying that she was very close to her
father and saying that her mother was “toxic and very
manipulative.”  The prosecution made it sound as if Danielle had
repeatedly stabbed Michael but I can only assume that they were
referring to what the coroner referred to as defensive wounds.  I say
this because this is where some of my confusion came.  I heard clips
from the trial that showed the prosecutors closing arguments among
other things and I kept hearing this being referenced yet my research
and other things that I found repeatedly stated that Danielle stabbed
him one time.  There was at least one other witness, a friend of
Michael&#39;s, that testified that Danielle was the aggressor in the
relationship.  The prosecution was asking for a sentence of life
without parole.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
defense, for their part argued there was domestic abuse in the
relationship and said Michael was the aggressor.  They presented two
witnesses, besides Danielle who testified she suffered from domestic
violence at the hands of Michael. For her Danielle testified that on
the night of his murder the couple had an argument and in the process
she claimed that he had choked and attempted to smother her.  She
claimed that she was pinned down on her back by him and had been able
to reach a drawer and retrieved a knife.  She claimed she stabbed him
once in the left shoulder, got away and ran to the bathroom to hide.
She claimed when she finally came out that his blood was everywhere
and she had even began to slip in it.  She went to him and discovered
him not breathing and attempted CPR.  I cannot say for certain her
reasoning for waiting eleven hours before calling 911 or what the
defense would claim.  While the prosecution argued this was all but a
planned killing the defense argued that there was no way of anyone
believing that a stab wound to the shoulder would have killed
someone.  I am unsure whether it was the defense or prosecution who
presented the evidence but it was determined that the stab wound had
hit a major artery and had punctured his lung.  They estimated that
he bled out in a matter of about six minutes.  The defense also
argued, “she doesn&#39;t have to have injuries, she just has to
reasonably believe that his violent attack against her will cause
death or bodily harm.” &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;After
the trial one of the jury members was quoted as saying he “believed
the state left too much room for reasonable doubt.  When you have a
history of abuse and so many other factors, and you can&#39;t say 100
percent, because this is somebody&#39;s life that is being determined
then we can only do the best we can.” Michael&#39;s friend that had
testified for the prosecution seemed to agree and criticized them for
not portraying her as the aggressor in the relationship.   &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Throughout
this case my mind kept going to the Susan Wright case.  For those who
do not recall this case there is a blog about it but I will give a
quick version here.  Susan Wright murdered her husband, Jeff, in 2003
in their Texas home, in their bed.  She claimed that he was abusive
to her throughout the marriage.  She proceeded to bury him in the
backyard of their home.  Five days later she contacted an attorney,
confessed and a few days later turned herself into authorities.  She
argued at her trial that basically she had PTSD after the event and
while she did murder him by stabbing him 193 times, and bury him in
the backyard she could not process that and believed he was still
alive.  The jury did not believe her and convicted her.  She was
sentenced to twenty-five years. Later she was given a new sentence
but it was only five years left.  She was released in 2020.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Danielle&#39;s
case was not this extreme obviously as she called 911 eleven hours
after she stabbed her husband but any time there is a delay it looks
bad.  There is the idea that was pushed in the Wright case of
insanity or lack of awareness would be a more accurate wording.  I
think Danielle&#39;s defense attorney&#39;s were correct in their argument
that a reasonable person would not have believed that a single stab
wound to the shoulder would have caused death.  I am unsure if I
heard how long she allegedly stayed in the bathroom after the
incident. But, as I stated earlier it was determined that it likely
took less than ten minutes for Michael to die from the wound.  While
the prosecution alleged the eleven hours was spent basically for lack
of a better phrase “doing her own thing” I think the defense
argued it was more for being in a fog and lack of awareness.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
prosecution brought up that within that eleven hours Danielle got on
a dating website and I want to address this issue.  There was
evidence that both Danielle and Michael had been unfaithful
throughout the marriage.  It was said that he had been the first (I
did not see when this happened) and Danielle left him.  Her defense
attorney&#39;s argued that Michael had begged her to come back and then
when that did not work he threatened to take their home and their
children from her so apparently she went back.  An article then
stated that according to the defense, “when Danielle later began
speaking to other men Michael became angry and jealous.”  It is
unclear what sort of arrangement the couple had but I wanted to
mention this here because her being on a dating website sounds as if
it was possibly a normal routine for her.  It is not as if she
stabbed and murdered her husband and then went online to a dating
website for the first time.  I fully got the impression that this was
far from her first time.  Am I wrong?  Anything is possible but I
feel as if it was the first time I would have found something that
stated this.  And, let&#39;s be fair, this may be one of the areas where
both a juror and a prosecution witness saw the prosecution in failing
to make their case.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;It
is clear that Danielle “tampered with evidence” and the jury was
justified in that verdict but I also think the way things were
tampered with tells us a story.  The prosecution made it sound as if
she was hiding things and lying and of course had murdered her
husband with premeditation.  And of course they made a huge deal
about the eleven hours it took her to call 911.  In my opinion the
fact that there were bloody towels still laying around and officers
reported finding bloody mop water and blood “swirls” on the floor
says that she did not do a good job and I believe that is telling. 
If her goal was to hide things and cover things up she would have
done a much better job at cleaning the scene in those eleven hours
before calling 911.  That is not to mean that if everything would
have been clean and pristine when the officers arrived that things
did not happen the way she testified.  Think about the movie
“Sleeping With the Enemy” about domestic violence.  The woman
faked her death to get away from her abusive husband but even when on
her own she caught herself making sure things were exactly the way he
had liked them such as everything being in its place and turned
correctly. &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
this case though I think the fact that she did not clean everything
up, or clean up very well could indicate she was in a panic or
anxiety ridden state at that time. The question would be why wait
eleven hours to call 911 and make a half attempt of cleaning, rather
than completely clean or do none at all.  I do believe this points to
her not planning for this to happen or having those thoughts in her
head.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Early
on I mentioned that many legal commentators have compared this case
to the recent Depp V Heard case.  Again, while murder was not the
subject of the Depp trial, domestic abuse was.  In both cases the
alleged victim got on the stand and told their story.  Legal analysts
and body language experts have weighed in on both cases and say there
were vast differences in their testimony.  Most believed that
Danielle sounded much more credible than Amber Heard in their
testimony.  To be fair I have only seen snippets of Danielle&#39;s
testimony after the fact but I have heard the analysts.  With this
all being said I have also heard things as far as Amber Heard&#39;s
testimony being either “too rehearsed” like when she faced the
jury every time she answered a question, to not rehearsed or guided
enough by her attorney&#39;s when she would get more hostile with the
other attorney&#39;s or refuse to take accountability.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
do not know if the jury actually believed that Danielle was a victim
of domestic violence or not.  The verdict itself would indicate that
they did.  However, the comment from the juror gives the impression
that this was more of a case in which the prosecution simply did not
prove their case and the jury felt there was reasonable doubt.  I
feel as if the prosecution was “banking” on those eleven hours
after Michael was stabbed as their “home run” of sorts and yet
everything was not so cut and dry.  This is how the law does, and
should work.  Some could say it was just another case in Florida
where someone got away with murder.  Florida has gotten this
reputation since the Casey Anthony and George Zimmerman cases.  In
fairness I believe the prosecution in those cases proved their cases
and yet the jury still acquitted them so people do have a point when
it comes to Florida.  However, I just do not feel that is the case
here. It is the job of the prosecution to convince a jury beyond
“reasonable doubt” that a defendant is guilty.... that is their
job.  It is the job of the defense to poke holes in the theory and
create reasonable doubt.  It has been said repeatedly when it came to
the Depp V Heard case that her lawyers were “out lawyered” by his
and this may be true but it was a civil case, not a criminal case. 
No one was looking at jail time and losing their freedom in that
case. Danielle&#39;s case was different.  This is why a defendant can
file an appeal for “ineffective counsel” in a criminal trial. 
But in cases where the prosecution is out lawyered, well, that is
their one chance and if they lose, they lose forever.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;After
the verdict a judge granted Danielle a bail and later that afternoon
she was released.  She is scheduled to be sentenced this coming
August for the tampering charge.  Most believe she will likely get a
sentence of “time served.”  The maximum sentence she could
receive is five years and by the time of the trial she had already
served three and a half.  Florida requires that an inmate serve 85%
of their sentence but most do not believe that she will get the
maximum sentence in this case.  If she were she to get the full five
years she would have to serve less than a year more of time.  I
suspect that the prosecutor will push for the maximum considering
they lost their main charge in court.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
began reading a book about old Indiana cases called “Murders That
Made Headlines” by Jane Simon Ammeson.  The book is full of cases
from the 1920&#39;s and before that happened in Indiana.  I have not read
every story but I did skim it to see what the cases were and added
them to my list to research.  In fact, I sat down all day yesterday
researching a case and putting it together only to realize when I
went to publish it that I had already done it in the past!  I have
double checked the others now :)  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;When
you search about this case you are given the impression that an
entire family is involved.  Four people from one family were arrested
for this crime but in the end it appears that only one was convicted.
 I say “appears” because when you are looking up old cases, such
as this one, I often find some conflicting evidence.  Cases like
these often prove difficult to research because things that are
actually rumors or legends within the story often are passed down as
fact and it is difficult to determine which of those things are true
and which are not.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
the night of March 12, 1921 a train was on the tracks near the
unincorporated town of Atwood Indiana, near Warsaw Indiana. 
Basically what that means is that the “town” does not have a
local government and today, more than 100 years later they are
described as “existing by tradition.”  In order to be an official
town there must be a post office.  Yes, I know that sounds odd but
that is how it works.  There are many of these little places all
over, particularly in the northern part of the state where there is a
lot of farmland.  Also, many areas were named prior to this “rule”
and the names have just kind of “stuck.”  That being said, in
1921 the town was considered to be Atwood.  As the train was on the
tracks the conductor saw a horseless buggy on the tracks but it was
too late for him to stop.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Eventually
the train did stop but not before it hit and ran over the buggy. 
While the buggy was not little more than kindling, between the tracks
laid a young man, unconscious but alive.  He was taken to the nearby
town of Bourbon presumably for medical care.  It was said that he
never spoke and he died just a few hours later.  Several things at
the scene, and the condition of the body, led law enforcement pretty
early to determine this was not an accident.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;First,
it was discovered that the victim appeared to have been tortured. 
His lower jaw was broken and there were marks on his neck that
indicated there was an attempt to strangle him.  It was also said
that “escelsior” was stuffed in his mouth.  I had never heard of
this and as long as the definition I found is correct, it was said to
be “softwood” or softwood shavings.  The victims clothes were wet
and he was covered in sand.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Near
the tracks was an abandoned Ford vehicle.  At the time it was unclear
if this vehicle had anything to do with the crime.  Then there were
horse tracks.  It was said that the shoe of the horse was very
distinctive.  Law enforcement officials followed the horse tracks
that led away from the crossing and it went to a farm owned by Fred
Decker.  In fact the horse was in the Decker barn.  The horse had a
harness on it still but it appeared as if it had been cut by a knife.
 &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;From
the information I gathered, Fred Decker lived on the farm with his
wife and at least his eighteen year old brother, Virgil lived with
them.  It is not clear whether law enforcement attempt to speak with
anyone at the farm that night.  I got the impression that this crime
happened at night but I could not find anything that gave me any sort
of time and it was later said that Fred and his wife had been out of
town until about ten that night and that had been verified.   It was
said that in the “coach pocket” was a letter that “identified
the victim as Virgil Decker.”  I too this to mean as being part of
the buggy that the train had destroyed and not necessarily on the
victim himself.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
following day, on March 13&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Fred Decker, along with his
mother Calvin “Cal” and their mother, Lydia identified the body
as that of Virgil Decker.  However, the next day an Elkhart couple
arrived and viewed the body and said it was their son, nineteen year
old Leroy Lovett.  According to the parents Leroy was a friend of
Virgil Decker&#39;s and that two nights previously Virgil had picked up
Leroy in a vehicle and was supposed to take him to visit Leroy&#39;s
sister but he had never arrived.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Law
enforcement learned quickly that both Virgil Decker and Leroy Lovett
looked very similar to each other so they were not sure what to
think.  The Decker family insisted they did not know where Virgil was
at the time so the local sheriff believed he needed to be looking for
another person.  What he did not know was whether he would find
another body or a live person.  It was said “up to the hour of the
inquest both families continued to claim the body.”  On March 15&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
the coroner positively identified the body as being that of Leroy
Lovett and the Decker family withdrew their claim.  At that point
there was a warrant issued for Virgil&#39;s arrest charging him with
first degree murder.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;It
is unclear at what point the sheriff discovered what he believed to
be the primary crime scene.  I cannot say if this was before or after
the body was positively identified.  There was a “summer cottage”
along the Tippecanoe River about a mile south of the railroad tracks.
 It had been empty since the previous fall.  Inside there were broken
windows and cupboards.  Furniture was overturned but most importantly
there was blood apparently everywhere.  Some was just blood splatter
but it was said that there were bloody hand prints on the door both
inside and out.  There was also an indication that someone had at
some point crawled from the river back to the cottage.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
March 16&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; “word came that Virgil had been arrested”
and was being held at the jail in Marion Indiana.  The local sheriff
went there and brought him back to Warsaw that day.  Initially Virgil
claimed innocence.  He said that on the 12&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; he had been
doing work on the farm.  Apparently several people witnessed him
several times in town throughout the day also.  It appears that no
one seemed to find anything odd with him, but to be fair I cannot say
that with complete certainty.  According to Virgil he left on the
evening of the 12&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; and went to Marion to visit an uncle. 
&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;It
was discovered that within three months leading up to Leroy&#39;s murder
that Virgil had obtained three life insurance policies on himself
that totaled $24,000.  Two of those policies paid double if he were
to die accidentally. The policies cost $500 a year for the premiums
and Virgil&#39;s brother, Fred, was the beneficiary on all of them.  The
theory became that Virgil had tortured and later set up Leroy to be
murdered because he looked so similar to himself that people would
believe it was him and his family, and ultimately he, could cash in
on the policies.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Then
it seems that Virgil began making a series of confessions.  In the
first two he alleged that another man from Elkhart, only using the
name “Guy,” was the killer of Leroy.  In his third confession he
admitted that he was the murderer but could not give a reason with
only saying “The devil made me do it.”  He admitted that he had
rented the abandoned car that was found, this was proven by a man who
identified Virgil as the person to rent the auto only under a
different name, and said that Leroy had decided not to visit his
sister and it had been suggested they go to the “cottage” and
“cook some chicken.”  Still in a fourth confession Virgil named a
family friend as the murderer but that man was proven to be innocent
of the crime.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
case was sent to a grand jury and five days later they returned
indictments of first degree murder not just against Virgil but also
against his two brothers, Fred and Cal, and his mother, Lydia. 
Presumably the other indictments were due to the fact that the grand
jury must have believed that the family was in on the murder to
procure the insurance policies Virgil had taken out.  Virgil
requested that his trial be separate from the others and that request
was granted.  His trial began on June 1, 1921, less than three months
after the crime. Prosecutors brought in pieces of things from the
cottage showing the blood and evidence that had been found there. 
They also alleged that the “death weapon” was an iron bar that
was about 2.5 feet long.  Whether they produced that weapon is
unknown. They also of course pushed the issue about the insurance
policies but interestingly enough, despite the fact that there were
others awaiting trial for the murder it was said that the prosecution
claimed that Virgil, and Virgil alone committed the crime.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;As
far as the defense goes, they proved that it was the insurance agents
that had approached Virgil and not the other way around indicating
that at the very least there had not been a plan in place to fake his
death or at least prior to obtaining the policies.  Of course that
does not mean that after getting them the idea had not come to him. 
They also pointed out that while Fred was listed as the beneficiary
on all the policies he not only did not appear to have money
problems, hence needing the money, but his father-in-law was
apparently fairly wealthy himself so if Fred needed money he could
have gone to him.  The defense also argued that Virgil was well known
in the Marion Indiana area and it would have made no sense for him to
“run” there to hide if he had committed the crime.  As we know he
was found rather quickly after the warrant for his arrest was issued.
 The defense also provided two witnesses who stated they saw a
“stranger” near the cottage and farm on the night of the crime.
It appears that between this and the fact that it was allegedly
proven that Virgil had been seen in town several times throughout the
day the defense was banking on the idea of reasonable doubt.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
June 10, 1921, after three hours of deliberations the jury returned
with a verdict of guilty.  The prosecution had asked for the death
penalty but the jury had recommended a life sentence.  It is unclear
how much of his sentence he served but according to Findagrave.com
his name was actually James Virgil and he died in 1984 at the age of
eighty-two.  It also claims that he was married to a woman named
Elizabeth who died in 1974.  There were no children listed but then
again that is not unusual whether there were children or not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;This
is where it gets a little confusing.  My initial information said
that four days after Virgil&#39;s conviction Fred and Cal were released
on bond and that Lydia was held not responsible and was released,
with all charges dropped.  It went on to say that Fred was tried for
the murder in Columbia City at some point but was found not guilty
and that Cal was never tried.  However, according to a genealogy site
that allegedly quoted The Elkhart Truth from January of 1922, Lydia
had also been tried and given a life sentence but had been released
on her “own recognizance” only to have the charges dropped later.
 This seems rather odd that she would have been convicted and given a
life sentence only to be released and charges dropped.  I feel as if
this was likely misquoted or had misinformation and that it is more
likely that charges were dropped before she ever went to trial. 
Lydia died in 1938 and I can say that at that time it appears that
Virgil was still in prison in Michigan City.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;There
was one report that allegedly Virgil had placed his own overalls on
Leroy&#39;s body and that may account for the letter that was found that
initially had law enforcement believing that it was he who had died,
but I cannot confirm this.  I do agree that all of the evidence
pointed to Virgil.  There was the fact that a car that he was known
to rent had been abandoned nearby, the horse that had presumably
pulled the buggy to the tracks was found in the barn of the home he
lived, and it was known that he had picked Leroy Lovett up at his
home.  It is less certain as to whether his family was in on it. It
does seem that there was enough belief that they were involved
because while doing a search you will find things that indicate they
were all involved.  Theoretically, the insurance policies could have
been obtained, making Fred the beneficiary without anyone&#39;s knowledge
of any sort of plan, but they would have had to eventually been in on
it.  It does not mean that when they identified the body as belonging
to Virgil they were being deceptive.  There is no way of knowing
whether they would have known at that point that Virgil was still
alive.  I suspect that the prosecutor knew this too and after Fred
was acquitted at trial he knew there would be no way to convict the
others.  Fred would have been the next best shot at a conviction.  He
lived at the home with Virgil, he owned the farm in which the horse
had come from, he lived near the scene and he was the beneficiary on
the life insurance policies.  Failing to obtain a conviction there
pretty much ensured the others would go free.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/6955626715585134871/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/virgil-decker.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/6955626715585134871'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/6955626715585134871'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/virgil-decker.html' title='Virgil Decker'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-418950840272544521</id><published>2022-06-14T11:14:00.004-07:00</published><updated>2022-06-14T11:14:56.786-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="bench trial"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="burglary"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Donald Wall"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lynda McClelland"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="mother in law"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="North Braddock Pennsylvania"/><title type='text'>David Repasky</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;When
I research a case I basically put the information I find in different
categories and give them the weight I feel it deserves.  At the top
of that list are appeal records. If I can find an appeal record that
is not just the thing I rely on the most, but will also be the first
thing I will read to get information.  The next level is newspaper
articles and those are pretty much sub-divided.  From time to time I
will find one that did a day by day or even a timeline throughout a
day update article and those are fairly good.  From there I have to
be a bit skeptical because many times as stories are updated they
will basically re-publish much of a previous article and if it had
some facts confused or misleading it can become a bit of a problem. 
It may seem odd but the sources that I depend on the least are blogs
such as mine.  It is not that I do not have respect for most of those
who do this, but I find a lot of misinformation in blogs especially
when it comes to the legal issues.  I recently blogged about a case
in which there had been two trials that ended in hung juries.  I
found a blog that repeatedly stated that the person had been found
“not guilty” and “innocent of all charges.”  Neither of these
statements are true in that particular case.  Through blogs I may
find new information that I have not discovered but I do try to
verify that information.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;With
all of that being said, when it came to this case I did come across
several articles but few were written at the time of the trial or
during the investigation.  Many were written a long time after,
sometimes years.  I also came across several blogs, but again, I tend
to go through those with a grain of salt.  Normally finding the
little information that I found would have had me question whether I
would even blog about this case at all.  However, this case intrigues
me, maybe it is  because there is so little information with evidence
and facts available. Based on the information released there is no
way of knowing what, besides the word of a man who first was arrested
with David Repasky on other charges and later confessed to helping
him commit another crime, one more serious, and being granted
immunity from prosecution, was entered into evidence proving David
Repasky&#39;s guilt.  So, lets dig in, shall we?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
June of 2000 David Repasky married his long time girlfriend, Amanda. 
They already had two children and Amanda was pregnant with their
third.  Amanda&#39;s parent had long been divorced and while she was very
close to her mother, Lynda McClelland, it was also said that her
childhood with her mother, who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia,
had been difficult.  Lynda had bouts of depression and expressed
suicidal thoughts.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
the night of July 26, 2000 David and Amanda had gone over to Lynda&#39;s
North Braddock Pennsylvania home because she was “upset.”  This
appeared to be one of the times that Lynda talked of suicide but it
was said that she “did not seem serious.” This was the last time
Amanda saw her mother. The couple left and went home to their home
where they had a babysitter for their other children who decided to
spend the night at their home.  Amanda went to bed but David had
stayed up.  The following morning Amanda got up around 8:00 and David
was not home.  According to the babysitter he had left around five
that morning.  He returned between 9:00 and 9:30.  I found nothing
that stated where he claimed to have been or even what he looked like
when he returned home.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;It
is unclear at what point Amanda realized her mother was gone.  I saw
a very quick reference that did not go into detail that she may have
had a boyfriend but again, I have no real information on that.  At
some point in 2002 Amanda even went on the Montel Williams show when
he had psychic, Sylvia Browne on his show. Regardless of what you
think of psychics or Sylvia Browne specifically is another blog for
another day.  On this episode Sylvia told Amanda that Lynda had been
abducted by a man with the initials “M.J.” and was taken to
Orlando Florida and was still alive.  It is not clear whether Amanda
believed this or pursued the lead. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
March 10, 2003 David Repasky, his best friend Donald Wall and at
least eight others were arrested and accused of being involved in a
burglary ring that was responsible for “more than 300 burglaries in
eight Western Pennsylvania counties.”  It was indicated that David
had in fact cooperated with authorities prior to the arrests being
made and that Donald Wall knew about it.  By all indications on that
day Donald Wall began to talk about the disappearance of Lynda
McClelland.  I suspect however on that day he told them he had
information because it was four more days before Wall took
investigators to where Lynda&#39;s body had been buried and in the
process he was given immunity from prosecution.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;David
went on trial in December of 2003. According to Wall, David had
murdered Lynda in her home on the morning of June 27, 2000. 
Allegedly David was having an affair with Lynda although I found no
other details other than this statement.  Prosecutors would say that
she was murdered because she had threatened to tell her daughter
Amanda about the affair but this theory seems to have come from Wall
who would claim that David said he had had sex with Lynda and then
choked her and stood on her neck when she threatened to tell Amanda.
This is where things get even more questionable.  One article I read
stated that Wall stated that he had dug a hole on some property that
was less than a half mile from his grandmothers house.  He may or may
not have been living there at the time.  There was an indication that
he hung around and waited for David and when he did not show Wall
went home and called him.  Later he went back and said he found a
body wrapped in garbage bags and duct tape and that he put the body
in the hole and buried it.   Another article however said that Wall
told authorities that David had driven him to a store to buy trash
bags and duct tape and that the two of them wrapped Lynda&#39;s body and
put it in her basement, covered with clothing.  Of course that does
not mean that the first scenario I mentioned did not also happen but
the latter information seemed to show that Wall was more involved
than the first one had indicated.  Three days after the body was
found David was charged with the first degree murder of his mother in
law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;David
did not have a jury trial.  The wording I found was “non jury”
which indicates a “bench trial” meaning that only a judge was
left to decide his fate.  This is not unheard of in murder trials but
it is also not all that extremely common. Pennsylvania is one of the
few “commonwealth” states and they do things a bit different but
they do still require that a jury be unanimous in criminal
convictions.  This is why it is unusual for someone to have a bench
trial in a criminal case.  Twelve (generally, or sometimes less
depending on the state rules) have to agree on a verdict and that
gives a defendant more of a chance to at the very least have the jury
come to no conclusion and there be a hung jury.  When only a judge is
involved then that judge is the sole decider in the case.  Again, I
am not proficient on Pennsylvania law but some states require more
than the word of a co-conspirator in order to file charges against
another person.  While Wall made a deal for immunity, it would still
not have been enough, in some states, to file charges against David. 
As I said from the beginning I found little information on this case
and the words of Donald Wall was the only evidence that I found. 
Does that mean there was not more?  Absolutely not. It is completely
possible that there were security cameras showing the two men going
to a store that day to buy trash bags and duct tape.  The problem is
that I do not know.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
defense argued that David was framed because he had agreed to testify
in the burglary case and would have testified basically against
Donald Wall.  Amanda, who had divorced David the month before his
trial began testified about the night before and day of her mother&#39;s
disappearance.  There were comments made that Amanda absolutely
believed her husband to be guilty in the murder of her mother.  With
all of this being said the judge declared David Repasky guilty and he
was ultimately given a sentence of life without parole.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
found David in the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections but with
little information.  Some states are better at this than others. 
Interestingly I found nothing related to Donald Wall there.  Yes, he
was given immunity in this case but there was still the alleged
burglary ring that he and David had been involved in.  In fact, I
found nothing more on that case at all aside from the connection to
Lynda&#39;s murder.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Did
David murder his mother in law?  Maybe but the media never released
enough information to allow anyone to make an informed decision. 
Generally you will hear me say that we have to believe that the “jury
got it right” but in this case there was no jury... there was a
single person sitting behind a bench.  In this case we do not even
have twelve people that are able to come back and tell us why they
came to the decision that they did.  Some could say that the fact
that Amanda believes it is enough and again, maybe he did do it, but
was there really enough evidence to convict him?  I have seen case
after case where family members do not believe in their guilt until
prosecutors convince them, but then cannot do the same to a jury. 
Sometimes family members want to believe there is justice for their
loved one, regardless who it is and is willing to believe whatever
law enforcement and prosecutors tell them.  I am not saying that is
for certain the case here but in my opinion more should have been
released to the media at the time of the crime for informed opinions.
 At this point most will not question the verdict, and I am unsure
that is valid.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/418950840272544521/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/david-repasky.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/418950840272544521'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/418950840272544521'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/david-repasky.html' title='David Repasky'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-192197322996438042</id><published>2022-06-12T07:50:00.006-07:00</published><updated>2022-06-12T07:50:55.673-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Casey Anthony"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="JonBonet Ramsey"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Keddie Murders"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="The Black Dahlia"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Unsolved Crimes"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Zodiac"/><title type='text'>What Unsolved Crime do you want Solved?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p align=&quot;CENTER&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
feel like I say this often.... we are going to do something a little
different here.  I do not blog about a lot of “unsolved” cases
here because I am the type of person that likes a conclusion to
things.  In the same respect I have done several where someone was
tried and acquitted such as the Casey Anthony and the O.J. Simpson
cases.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As technology and advances in DNA continually evolve
we are seeing more and more cases that we never thought would be
solved in fact come to an end.  There have been cases like that of
The Golden State Killer that have been solved by using genealogy and
DNA results to solve.  Many cases sitting and awaiting trial right
now are cases that were long ago cold such as the Sheila Keen-Warren
case.  She is accused of dressing up as a clown and murdering the
wife of the man she would go on to marry in 1990.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Then
there are the cases that likely will never be solved like the case of
JonBonet Ramsey who was murdered in her home in 1996 or as in the
case I recently blogged about, the murder of Brittany Eldridge. 
These are cases where the investigations were either so inept or too
focused on particular people to ever think there will be justice. 
What about the Keddie Cabin Murders in 1981 where a woman and three
children were killed?  What about the mysterious disappearance of Amy
and Scott Fandel in Alaska in 1978?  Then there is always the
question of who killed and dismembered  “The Black Dahlia” in
1947.  Who really was Jack The Ripper?  Was it one man or were there
simply copycats?  What about The Zodiac killer?  Has he really been
identified? Were the murders of Tupac and B.I.G. related to each
other and was B.I.G&#39;s murder retaliation? And if so was it, I do not
want to say “justified” but legit in the idea that he was behind
the murder of Tupac? Was Lizzie Borden really innocent or did the
jury just fail to convict her in the murders of her father and
stepmother because she was a woman?  Who bludgeoned Bob Crane in his
bed? Who murdered little Amber Hagerman who is now the namesake of
Amber Alerts?  Did Sam Sheppard murder his wife or did the “one
armed man” do it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;If
you were told that you could have one crime solved (and there be no
question that it was the truth) that has never been solved or the
identity of a suspected serial killer... which one would you pick?
Would it be one of those I mentioned above?  Would it be on that
involves someone you know or were close to?  I think for me it would
be a toss up between either JonBonet Ramsey or Caylee Anthony.  For
the Ramsey case I truly just want to know who did it and how.  Of
course I have my suspicions, but so does everyone else.  Lets have it
solved, was it a family member or was it not?  As far as the Anthony
case, I, like most people truly believe that Casey Anthony is/was
guilty.  I believe there was plenty of evidence to prove that in her
trial but the jury ruled differently.  I have heard that they have
said they ruled the way they did because, although it was of no fault
of the prosecutors, there was no clear cause of death.  I would just
like to see the full truth out there.  Of course Casey Anthony could
never be tried again which is a shame but the entire world would no
without question.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/feeds/192197322996438042/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/what-unsolved-crime-do-you-want-solved.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/192197322996438042'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1402918129554330465/posts/default/192197322996438042'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truecrimediscussions.blogspot.com/2022/06/what-unsolved-crime-do-you-want-solved.html' title='What Unsolved Crime do you want Solved?'/><author><name>Indianagirl22472</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-4356414598115576171</id><published>2022-06-11T20:32:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2022-06-11T20:32:41.873-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Brittany Eldridge"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="hung jury"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Knoxville Tennessee"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Norman Eugene Clark"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="two trials"/><title type='text'>The Murder of Brittany Eldridge</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;This
is one of those cases that as I sit down to write I am unsure exactly
what I think about the case.  Sometimes when this happens by the time
I am done I have leaned a little more in one direction.  Currently I
am unsure with the information that I have researched that this will
be one of those cases.  By the time I am done, I may still be on the
fence.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;In
December 2011 twenty-five year old Brittany Eldridge was murdered in
her Knoxville Tennessee apartment.  Investigators believe she was
preparing for a shower when she was attacked from the back..  She was
choked and suffocated and then stabbed in the neck two times with
what was believed to be scissors.  Brittany was nine month pregnant
with a son she planned to name Ezekiel.  He would die in womb.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
father of Brittany&#39;s baby was a co-worker named Norman Eugene Clark. 
When Brittany had not shown up at work Clark called her mother and
asked her to check on her because he could not reach her.  Brittany&#39;s
mother went to her apartment and found her body.  The police were
obviously called.  Inside the home the contents of Brittany&#39;s purse
were thrown about; televisions had been removed from their stands and
placed on the floor; drawers had been open and rummaged through. 
But, according to investigators nothing was taken, not even
Brittany&#39;s debit card that had the password code attached to it.  Law
enforcement believed that the scene was staged to look like a
robbery.  They noted the lack of forced entry.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Of
course Norman Clark became a prime suspect right away and he was
interviewed. He consented to have his car and phone searched.
Investigators launched an investigation into Clark and learned that
he was involved with several women at the same time, and it seems
that none of them knew of the others.  They learned through text
messages that Clark was supposed to meet with Brittany on the night
of her murder but he claims he did not show.  It was said that his
phone had been shut off about 9:06 pm that night but I never saw
where it stated that when his phone was turned back on.  It was also
said that between 9 and 10 Brittany had sent three messages to Clark
but I found nothing that told what those text messages said.  It is
not clear exactly what Clark claimed to have been doing but at
10:40pm another girlfriend of his, who was said to live just a few
miles from Brittany, says she woke up and he was “in her bedroom.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
am going to be fair here and say I am uncertain what happened or what
was found that two and a half years after Brittany&#39;s murder Clark was
arrested on May 14, 2014.  My research says that there was no DNA
found, at least none pointing to Clark, nor was the weapon, thought
to be scissors found.  In August of 2015 Clark went on trial. 
Prosecutors seemed to bank on his personal life as being the basis
for their theory.  They claimed that Clark killed Brittany because
she had threatened to sue him for child support and that the mother
of his other daughter would do the same (I found something later that
said she was already receiving child support) and he already had
“money issues.”  Clark&#39;s attorney&#39;s argued the burglary angle. 
The trial ended with a hung jury.  They had voted 11-1 for acquittal.
 Prosecutors decided to try him again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Now,
when there is more than one trial in a case prosecutors tend to have
the advantage and in this case that was surely true.  Both sides knew
that all but one of the jurors had not believed that the state had
proven their case.  That meant if the prosecutors wanted to win they
were going to have to step up their game.  After the trial Clark did
an interview with Dateline and prosecutors attempted to sue to get
the footage before it aired.  It was not clear if they were
successful.  Clark had been held in jail from the time of his arrest
in May of 2014 until the en of his trial in August of 2015.  At that
point his bail was reduced and he was released.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Clark&#39;s
second trial took place in September of 2017.  From all that I can
tell the only real difference is that prosecutors showed dash cam
footage taken by a police officer speaking to him a few hours after
hearing the news.  They argued that he was extremely calm.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Aside
from arguing that the crime scene was a burglary it appears the
defense also spoke of the timeline.  It is unclear when Clark says he
got to the other girlfriends home but as I stated earlier she says
she woke up at 10:40 to find him there.  I cannot say exactly what
time prosecutors argued the murders took place but obviously sometime
after 9:00 as they spoke of his phone being off.  I am also curious
about the alleged three text messages that Brittany sent him between
nine and ten, what they said, whether it was her, and when was the
last one.  The defense argued that if Clark were the murderer he
would have had to do the deed, ransack the apartment (without leaving
DNA), somehow and someway get rid of his bloody clothes and the
weapon and then drive to the other woman&#39;s home.  They also argued
that twenty DNA samples were taken from the scene and not one of them
matched Clark.   &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Just
as his first trial ended in a hung jury, so did his second trial only
this time instead of the jury being 11-1 for acquittal they were 10-2
for conviction.  The prosecutor decided not to seek a third trial
unless new evidence comes to light. Now, I want to be clear on what
this means because I found a blog in which it was stated first that
Clark was found “not guilty on both counts, twice” and then later
stated he was “found innocent of all charges.”  This is blatantly
false and it is statements like this that irritate me because it
gives out wrong information.  First, if he would have been found “not
guilty” in the first trial he never could have been tried the
second time.  That is nearly the number one rule of law... double
jeopardy.  But, because there was never a guilty plea by Clark who
continues to maintain his innocence and neither jury was able to come
to a decision this case is not resolved in the least. Does that mean
it will ever be solve?  In my opinion, no.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Did
Norman Clark murder Brittany Eldridge?  I do not know.  But, based on
the information I found, or I should say the lack of information I
found, there was not enough evidence against him to prove anything. 
Prosecutors know that they need evidence and in today&#39;s world juries
want DNA and forensic evidence.  There apparently was none of that
here.  The dash cam video proves nothing.  We all know that everyone
deals with stress, grief and life experiences differently and that
appears to be the best they had.  Of course he would have been the
prime suspect, and of course the fact that he apparently was involved
with several women at once did not look good for him.  But, those
things do not make him a murderer.  I do not believe that Clark will
ever be convicted, even if he is tried again and there&#39;s absolutely
no way that anyone else will ever be convicted for Brittany&#39;s murder.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Any
evidence found against Clark at this late stage would be considered
tainted considering there have already been two trials. The same
could be true about evidence that could point to someone else but the
prosecutor would have a very hard time selling a case to a jury with
a new defendant.  Any defense attorney worth his or her salt would
hammer the fact that the prosecutors were so sure in from 2014....
until presumably someone else was charged that Clark was their man
and they of course would likely push what they could about him.  The
long and short of it is that I honestly do not think this case will
ever be solved.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;And
that is the biggest injustice of it all. A young woman and her soon
to be born child lost their lives and no one will likely ever be held
accountable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Coming
off the Depp v Heard case, this case seems rather fitting to put
together.  This too is a case in which the accusing party was
unquestionably believed in an attempt to ruin someones life.  The
difference here is that this case became a criminal case and the
innocent party was looking at life in prison.  She lost her job, her
home, and her freedom for several months all based on the lies of
other people.  While the lies were bad enough, it was fairly clear
early on, even prior to an arrest, that everything was not as it
seemed and yet law enforcement continued in their pursuit against
Michelle Hadley.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Twenty-six
year old Michelle Hadley had met Ian Diaz in late 2013 on a dating
website shortly after getting a divorce.  Ian was thirty-five, lived
with his mother and worked as an U.S. Marshal.  By the following year
the two were living together.  In December of 2014 the two got
engaged and in the early summer of 2015 they bought a condo together
in downtown Anaheim California. Michelle had paid the $14,400 down
payment and they had gotten a joint mortgage.  By the end of summer
they had split up.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;I
did not hear exactly what happened between the two but Michelle has
said that looking back there were several red flags in the
relationship and there had been some episodes of domestic violence. 
It was believed that Ian had kept a close eye on Michelle&#39;s computer
and online activity throughout their relationship.   He even talked
her into changing jobs to a marketing position at a Disneyland Resort
where he used to work.  Looking back she is convinced that was so
that his friends and former co-workers could help him keep an eye on
her. Michelle also believed he was some how tracking her whereabouts.
She would later say that anytime she seemed to be outside a
particular area of a direct route of where she was headed she would
get a phone call from him. He was very particular how she looked and
dressed and always seemed to be pressuring her to do things his way.
But, most of these things she looks back at in hindsight and sees the
signs.  Like many in those types of relationships she was deeply in
love and feels like she was blinded by things.  She never reported
any violence or issues with police although it was said that she had
talked to a few people, such as friends and family.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Michelle
would move out while Ian would stay in the condo but she continued to
pay half the mortgage, at least for a while.  There were several
email exchanges between the two and some were rather bitter.  In one
email in September of 2015 Michelle wrote to Ian... “Your sins are
many, including defiling me and my family with your wicked and evil
sexual acts, your financial coercion and irresponsibility, your
gluttony, your greed, your lust, your sloth, your wrath, your envy,
and most of all your pride. I will bring the full force of the Law
and the Word of God against you to judge you.”  It is not one that
Michelle seemed to be particularly proud of but she had been angry
and was “over” dealing with Ian and coming to an agreement about
the condo.  I quoted this one particular email because it played a
few parts in things to come.  By this time Michelle claims she was
seeing Ian&#39;s vehicle following her places, including onto the campus
of the local college she was attending.  She had reported this to her
school and they had banned him from the property.  Ian then attempted
to use the email she had written as well as the ban from the school
property to obtain a restraining order against her but it failed. It
is said however that his attempt by Ian did put Michelle on the radar
of the local law enforcement.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;By
the end of 2015 it seems that Michelle and Ian had a legal written
agreement that stated that Ian had until June of 2016 to fully assume
payments on the condo and if he was unable to do so that it would be
sold and the profits would be split between the two.  It is unclear
if Michelle was continuing to pay part of the mortgage each month
while paying rent on her own apartment or if this was to have it
legally changed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;It
appears that both Michelle and Ian began moving on with their lives. 
Ian met a woman named Angela in January of 2016 and they were married
a month later.  It was said that she was pregnant and I will get more
into that later but I will just say here that it is uncertain if she
was pregnant or not.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;By
the end of May some weird things were going on.  Michelle was getting
notices from Google and Microsoft.  Google sent her a message that an
email account she had never started had been shut down.  Microsoft
sent messages that her primary email account was being used as a
recovery contact for a “handful” of new Outlook addresses.  Over
the next month Michelle contacted the police at least four times to
tell them she suspected someone was impersonating her online.  She
also contacted the FBI and the DOJ, nothing was done.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
June 6, 2016 Angela Diaz applied for and apparently received a
restraining order against Michelle.  According to Michelle she did
not even know she existed let alone had ever met or spoken to her in
any way.  The restraining order was obtained because Angela showed
several threatening emails she had received allegedly from Michelle. 
The emails had much of the same “tone” as the one that I quoted
earlier.  Many threatened Angela&#39;s life and included photos of women
who had been beaten and naked. They had come from several different
accounts seemingly belonging to Michelle.  It is unclear if the
police ever spoke to Michelle about this or what really was done over
the next few weeks pertaining to the restraining order.  Around this
same time an ad on Craigslist was made looking for a “rape fantasy”
partner.  This too had the same tone as the emails.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;On
June 13, 2016, after the restraining order had been apparently
granted someone using the name “Lilith Hadley” replied to the
Craigslist ad and provided the address to the condo that Ian and
Angela Diaz were living in.  On June 21&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;st&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;
Michelle received an email from Craigslist asking her to verify that
she had created a new ad titled “gang rape fantasy.”  Michelle
said she emailed them back about fake ads but never heard back from
them.  Three days later on June 24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;
Angela Diaz called 911 saying a man had tried to rape her in the
garage of her home.  She had red marks on her neck and her shirt was
ripped.  A few hours later, while returning home after a date, the
police went to Michelle&#39;s home and arrested her.  Law enforcement had
warrants to search her phone, tablet and laptop and ceased them. 
Michelle was interviewed and would later say that when she talked
about Ian being abusive in their relationship she was dismissed and
taunted basically because she had not mentioned it before.  She also
stated there was a lot of questions about her sex life post Ian Diaz
that really had nothing to do with the case.  She was charged with
orchestrating the attack on Angela. Michelle&#39;s parents posted her
$10,000 bond the following day and soon after the emails resumed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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July 13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;
Angela again called 911 and claimed that a “mysterious teen” was
lurking around their condo.  The following day Michelle was arrested
again, this time on a one million dollar bond.  The district attorney
stated they believed that if Michelle were released that Angela would
be raped or killed.  This time her parents could not bail her out
because it became an issue of whether they did that, or retained a
lawyer to fight the charges.  Michelle would spend the next three
months in jail.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;What
Michelle did not know is that prior to her first arrest there had
been evidence that many of the emails that Angela allegedly received
had come directly from the condo itself.  The second time emails were
allegedly sent they had been done between her arrests where she did
not have access to her accounts or her devices as they were still in
police custody.  She also did not know that in neither incident, the
one where the man allegedly attacked Angela or the “lurking”
teenager, surveillance cameras at the condo had shown no activity. 
By this time Angela was alleging that she had miscarried her baby due
to the stress involved with everything.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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is believed that the police had universally believed Ian and Angela
in their stories because he worked for as a U.S. Marshal and it was
basically the “blue code” that stopped them from objectively
investigating this case.  Keep in mind that all of this went into
full gear beginning the end of May and into June of 2016, right
around the time Ian was to either take over payments of the condo, or
sell it.  Michelle always believed that while Angela was making most
of the claims, with Ian&#39;s backing, that it was Ian who had actually
orchestrated this plot.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;And
then on September 30, 2016, after he had sold the condo and had given
nothing to Michelle, Ian went to the police and told them a new
story.  It is unclear whether Ian and Angela had an issue and had
separated or whether he knew that authorities were going to figure
out that the charges against Michelle were bogus and he needed to
save himself.  Ian was now saying that he believed that Angela had
set Michelle up and that her claims of a miscarriage were bogus.  He
told them that when they married she was pregnant but that he had
encouraged her to have an abortion because she was unsure who the
father of the baby was and that a second claimed pregnant had never
existed.  &lt;/span&gt;
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still took another week to release Michelle from custody, although
apparently charges were not dropped.  It also took another three
months before Angela was arrested on January 6, 2017 and Michelle was
exonerated on January 9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;.
 Authorities would later claim that Angela had “faked checks, jobs,
doctors notes and cancer” in the past.  Investigators now took
credit for solving the case and releasing Michelle saying that emails
came from the condo, the area around Angela&#39;s father&#39;s home and her
cellphone.  Little was mentioned about Ian being involved but
Michelle was not keeping quiet about that aspect.  The case was being
compared to the book and movie “Gone Girl” where a woman had
faked her own kidnapping and possible murder to set up her husband,
later she faked a rape to set up another man.  Again, the Depp v
Heard case has also been compared to this movie.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On October
17, 2017 Angela Diaz pleaded guilty to ten felony charges that
included false imprisonment and perjury.  She was sentenced to five
years in prison.  For her part it seems Michelle filed a few
lawsuits.  One was filed in California in 2017 and in December of
2018 she filed a civil lawsuit in federal courts.  Another was filed
against the city of Anaheim and the police department in 2019.  She
claimed that local police had “protected and believed” Ian simply
because he was a U.S. Marshall; she claimed that law enforcement
knew, or should have known, prior to her arrests that she was
innocent of the charges; she alleged that three days prior to her
arrested and the alleged attack on Angela law enforcement discovered
that the emails were coming from the condo itself. In September of
2020 a judge denied the city in having the lawsuit dismissed and  in
August of 2021 the city of Anaheim settled the lawsuit for an
undisclosed amount.  It is unclear what has become of the others.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Still,
Michelle was trying to regain her life.  She moved out of the state
of California and tried resume things.  While she was never convicted
of a crime and still has no criminal background, all it takes is a
Google search of her name to find her story.  She also tends to have
to explain a void in her work history.  She has alleged, and I have
no doubt, that this has caused her much stress and anxiety.  And
still she pushed and pushed in her idea that Ian was behind it all.  &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;It
is unclear exactly what the circumstances were that finally led to
Ian Diaz being indicted on charges that included perjury and
conspiracy to commit cyberstalking by federal authorities in this
case in May of 2021. I went to a legal website and saw that other
charges included obstruction of justice and another conspiracy
charge.  As of now his trial is set to commence in May of 2023.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p align=&quot;LEFT&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
scary thing about this is that any one of us could have been or even
become Michelle. On the surface it does not seem possible considering
how just a little bit of investigating would have uncovered the crime
but it is possible because it did happen.  Based on the charges
Michelle was looking at a sentence of life in prison all because she
walked away from a man.  &lt;/span&gt;
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