The Cult of Sahaj Marg ( Shree Ram Chandra Mission)

Sahaj Marg in Nut-Shell

2011-10-15T17:42:00.000+05:30

The group run's as "Shree Ram Chandra Mission" which teaches a technique called "Sahaj Marg" the group is not very popular currently has approximately 200,000 worshipper across the globe, but the disturbing aspect here is, the group has presence in most of the countries. However the groups activities has led to its inclusion in list of "harmful sect" in 1995 list of cults in a french government report, ( [www.cftf.com] ) and again in 2003 report of "miviludes" (http://www.miviludes.org/IMG/pdf/Report_MIVILUDES_2003.pdf refer footnote on page 81) The cult of sahaj marg was started in 1945 by a person named Ramchandra (aka Babuji 1899-1983) who worked as a typist in divisional court of a small town of Shahjahanpur Uttar Pradesh India, The cult claims that its founder is Ramchandra (same name as that of founder1873-1931) aka "Lalaji". These two people are differentiated on the basis of the town they belonged, Founder of the cult was from Shahjahanpur (hence called Ramchandra of Shahjahnpur) and claimed founder was from Fatehpur Uttar Pradesh India, (hence called Ranchandra of Fatehpur).

The group claims its founder as "Lalaji" on basis of a dream which the founder had in 1945, in which he sow "Lalaji" instructing him to start Sahaj Marg, this dream appeared 13 years after death of "Lalaji".

The group was initially restricted within India, with small following in few states, during the life span of the founder it was stated that group follows philosophy of Islam in general and Sufi concepts in specific, following Sufi practices of Transmission,( [naqshmumraif.googlepages.com] ) un-conditional love and devotion towards Master, and absolute dedication towards the Mission, Later however, the teachings which principally remained same were advertised as Hindu concept in general and Raja Yoga in specific, it is understood that this U-turn from Islam to Hindu was mainly due to failure of the group to reach people in name of Islam. The group went to Europe and other countries first time in 1973.

After death of founder in 1983, dispute to control the mission arose and many sub-factions came into existence, all claiming to preach teachings of founder, of all the groups which were operating independently one is run by family members of founder(Umesh Chandra Saxena/Navneet Kumar Saxena), other is run by one of founder's close disciple and his son (K.C Narayana), and the most harmful one is run by an ex-businessmen and one of the follower of founder named Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari also known as "Chariji".

The one run by Chariji has re-registered the society and the group in USA in 1997, and arranges marriages of its members inside the group, mainly the marriages are focused on getting Indian women of the group married to people of western origin, under disguise of spiritual marriages, this particular group is also involved in absolute brainwashing of its victims and forcing them to do free labor and also sells costly books (costing more then $250).

This group maintains absolute control over its victims by asking them make note of every thoughts which happen to them in a diary and submit that diary to his/her preceptor, in essence these preceptors which are appointed the leader of this cult manage life the victim, there has been many cases of sexual abuse reported in Indian media, by preceptors and the leader himself. This group as all other cults encourages its members not to get married out side the group and those who do get married outside are asked to make sure that spouse and his/her family is also taken into the cult, incase the family and/or spouse opposes to emotional manipulation by the members of the group, the group has clear policy, get divorced / discontinue relation with those who do not believe the unbelievable things proposed by this group.

Some of the absurd hypothesis proposed by this group is summarized below for reference:-

1. The group claims that there is a place they call "Brighter World" where elevated souls of this cult go after they die.

2. The group claims that there is a French lady, who receives messages from BRIGHTER WORLD from departed souls of this cult, (these messages are sold at a price of $250 per 600 messages).

3. The group claims that leader of the cult transmits divine energy into the heart of its members via appointed preceptors.

4. The group claims that it is divine organization and its leader is divine.

5. The group claims that anyone who does not adhere to the principles laid by the cult are "enemies of spirituality"

6. The group claims it arranges divine marriages, and such marriages are blessed by divine power. (However numerous cases of divorce has been reported, in 3 such cases marriages have ended up the same day they took place) list of such divorces and other forced divorces can be found at [www.geocities.com]

7. The group claims that it is ONLY through practice of Sahaj Marg can one reach salvation

8. The group claims that people from any religion can become member of Sahaj Marg, however the leader claims that â€œAll religions are divisive, and Sahaj Marg can unite humanity.

9. The group asks its members not to be attached with anything material, however the leader of the group is fighting various court battles for control property, land and bank accounts of the founder. (http://judis.nic.in/supremecourt/chejudis.asp case type Appeal (Civil) case number 6619 year 2000)

10. The group claims that it preaches love and peace, however the leader himself has been convicted in 1987 for spreading violence, family member's of the founder have appealed to the president of India for their safety as the group and its brainwashed members have attacked them violently (proof's about the police report and newspaper clipping are available at [www.freedom2think.org]

When we read this, we get astonished as how is it possible that a sane person believes such unbelievable things? Answer to this can be understood in the fact that group is highly manipulative in nature, on surface it claims that its practices are useful for normal householders, what it hides is, one of the main conditions of this group is absolute obedience and absolute devotion to the leader of the group, how can a person be 100% devoted to family and at the same time 100% dedicated for the mission? it is like asking a person to be present at two different place at the same time, but still there are people who follow such absurdity, because they have accepted one fallacy (that the group is ONLY group which is divine) and since they have became believers they can accept any absurdity afterward, the logic is flawless. Once they give up their rational faculty and believe in an absurdity, they might as well believe in anything. Once they let themselves to be fooled, then they are fooled again and again because there is no end to foolishness.

What the group does not disclose is that the leader of this cult has a criminal background and has recently been charge-sheeted in several criminal cases, detailed information about this groups activities can be found at blogs and websites of ex-members and family members of those who were affected directly or indirectly by teachings of this cult, below is the list of such websites and blogs.

1. List of criminal cases and fraudulent activities by the leader of the cult is listed at [www.freedom2think.org]

2. Exposing lies and manipulative tactics of this cult is listed on ex-members blog [4d-don.blogspot.com]

3. Ex-preceptor and one time head of cults affair in United states blog is here [innercircleofsrcm.blogspot.com]

4. Ex-member and discussion blog in French [pourquevivelesahajmarg.blogspot.com]

5. Blog of zonal-in-charge of Netherlands (member for 12 years) [pitfallsofspirituality.blogspot.com]

Shashwat Pandey

Sahaj Marg of Swami Nityananda

2010-04-23T11:23:00.002+05:30

Ok, there is a huge similarity between Nityananda Dhyanapeetam Ashram and Sahaj Marg Ashram, in a recent report published in Indian media, their ashram in Bangalore was used for some sexual tantric activity, the report published in times of india is as follows:-

Godman's flock signed 'sex pacts'

BANGALORE: Nudity, sexual activity, and physical intimacy were part of the “learning and practice of ancient tantrik secrets’’ at Dhyanapeetam Ashram of controversial godman Swami Nityananda at Bidadi, near Bangalore. Nityananda was caught on camera during an alleged sex romp with an actress last month.

Bizarrely, those who volunteered for the programmes were made to sign an agreement prohibiting them from disclosing any of these details or taking legal recourse after practising “ancient tantrik secrets’’. The programme is called ‘Learning from the Master Program’.

The "non-disclosure agreements" were part of the documents seized by CID during raids on the ashram, where they seized computer hard disks, laptops and mobiles.

One clause of the agreement, accessed by TOI, states: “Volunteer understands that the Program may involve the learning and practice of ancient tantric secrets associated with male and female ecstasy, including the use of sexual energy for increased intimacy/spiritual connection, pleasure, harmony and freedom. Volunteer understands that these activities could be physically and mentally challenging, and may involve nudity, access to visual images, graphic visual depictions, and descriptions of nudity and sexual activity, close physical proximity and intimacy, verbal and written descriptions and audio sounds of a sexually oriented, and erotic nature, etc."

It further says: "By reading and signing this addendum, Volunteer irrevocably acknowledges that he/she is voluntarily giving his unconditional acceptance of such activities and discharges the Leader and the Foundation, and anyone else not specifically mentioned here but directly or indirectly involved in the organization, management or conduct of any such programs from any liability, direct or indirect, arising from such activities."

A CID official said most of those who enrolled for this programme were women, and 90% were from Tamil Nadu. CID sleuths had watched a CD with more than 35 video clippings of Nityananda in compromising positions with at least five women.

Now exactly similar report was published about sahaj marg in the year 2001 published in The Pioneer News paper published from India, the report was/is as follows:-

The Original Sin

This is a story that defies all grades of imagination, of right, of wrong of possibilities and situations. It is a story of woman who has grown up on incest with the full support of her family, who has serviced an 80 years old guru at the tender age of all, who has slept with her father and brother before the very eyes of her mother and sisters, Who has borne the children of her father and then passed them off as her husband's off springs. This is also the story of a woman who, at 35, has risen above the opiated existence of sex, sleaze and incest only to save her daughter from the same fate that she lived through. As the bizarre case awaits its second hearing after being reopened on a year's persistence by a hounded family, JITENDRA VERMA recounts the story which details life's unholy twists and turns. Back in the Pooja room, the family was ready for the ritual. Their guru's pooja hung proudly on the wall and the family was in full attendance Pragya's grand father, father, mother, brother and two sisters all without a stitch of clothing on their stark naked bodies. "Hey nath, tu hi ek maatra dhyey hain, hamari ekshahyen, hamari winti mein bandhak hain". The nude poojas, she recalls, were followed by group sex in which all family members had intercourse with each other. My grandfather had it with my mother and my brother was with my sisters and father and vice verse, she tells you rather stoically. For your benefit her husband adds that the expression lessness is the result of years of being doped by the family which, he explains, is part of the closed religious cult known as the sahajmargi. In short, sahajmargi is an atheist cult which does not believe in any kind of familial ties., "its only religion being open sex". There are no brothers, sisters, father or mother. All human beings are same. I was told again and again. She says. Brainwashed with this potent logic day in and they out, Pragya and scores of other girls, including her two sisters and five cousins were donated to the ashram. Pragya still remembers the day of initiation when she was taken to a separate room in the ashram by 30-yearold abhyasani (disciple) Brij Bala, Thakur. She gave me some white tablets to consume and smeared my private parts with some kind of paste, says Pragya, then, she was taken to guru Ramchander's room where she was disrobed and initiated into a system which proved to be her nemesis. The Guru sex with me and I was later told that I had been married to the great man. Says pragya...

This is what spirituality of these fake Godman's leads to, we need to be on the lookout for loopholes when we are getting involved in any such group, we would not know when they have brainwashed us and have begun using us.

Be very very careful, unfortunately if you are trapped and want to get out of sahaj marg, kindly read our article on Leaving Sahaj Marg

Sahaj Marg U turn

2010-02-22T13:22:00.001+05:30

Over a period of time it seems the business-men running the sahaj marg and shri ram chandra mission company have lost sight of what the agenda was to begin with.

A glaring example of this is evident in the recent announcement made by their CEO Mr. P Rajagopalachari.

Mr. P Rajagopalachari has announced that it is beyond the scope of sahaj marg to erase samskara and one has to pay for its deeds, here is what he is saying:-

So, you see, you people better understand that nothing will change in your physical life, material life, except it be in your samskara. A poor man will become rich, if it is in his samskara. A rich man will become poor, if it is in his samskara. A healthy man will become sick. A sick man may become healthy, all subject to your samskaras. Unless you understand this clearly, every one of you is in danger of leaving this Mission sometime or the other when something which you don’t want to happen, happens. People will die. When people are born, they will die. That which comes must go. That which is born, must die. That is the law. Even the avatars died. You know how Lord Krishna died — by an arrow in his foot. You know how Lord Rama died — he entered the Sarayu and went away

http://www.sahajmarg.org/literature/online/speeches/understanding-sahaj-marg

This statement is published on their website under article "Understanding Sahaj Marg"

This understanding of sahaj marg however is quite different from what is propagated to new recruits, a person who is new to sahaj marg is promised that his/her Samskara's will be removed if they become obedient to these businessmen...

Here is what they explain in the FAQ section of their website:-

Sahaj Marg believes that it is crucial for a spiritual system to offer a solution for the accumulation of samskaras, which appear as coverings around the human soul. Through the combination of meditation and cleaning practices, we have the opportunity to live and act in the present moment, gradually becoming unencumbered from the thoughts, worries and emotions that color our lives.

http://srcm.org/welcome/faq.jsp#faq8

And while explaining what is samskara in their website they claim that these impression from one soul are removed by practice of sahaj marg read this:-

The Sahaj Marg practice offers a method whereby our samskaras are dissolved and removed, opening the way for inner expansion and freedom from the weight of these impressions. This cleaning process leaves us with a feeling of lightness, as if more space has been created inside us for the Divine

http://www.sahajmarg.org/sm/practice/samskara

Now sir may I ask how, when and where did sahaj marg failed to dissolve samskara of their adherents?

This disclosure that sahaj marg cannot remove samskara is based on the fear that people are now leaving sahaj marg because they realize that they have been fooled in this mission, When the group promised them that their samskara will be dissolved and after spending good amount of time they find that it is having reverse impact on them and they are degrading from human to zombies they will leave...

And this is precisely what is happening, people are leaving sahaj marg because it has failed to deliver what it has promised and it was foolishness of those who got involved in this cult to start with thinking that their samskara's will be removed if they become a zombie... this is impossible, and this truth has now come out in public domain, now no face saving mechanism will save their lies.

If we observe the life of a abhyasis we will find that almost all of them are having marital issues and issues in adjusting in society and they feel getting divorced and breaking off relations will help them somehow... they are mistaken and will have to learn the truth the hard way, lies cannot remain hiding for long, and when it comes out.. it brings only embarrassment, same as what these cult members are facing.

Evil comes in various forms, most dangerous one is that form when it hides behind the viel of virtue, sahaj marg is one such evil which is hiding behind vial of spirituality.

Sooner you realize better for your life.

Fake currency in Sahaj Marg

2010-01-05T16:11:00.001+05:30

In the recent past, few spiritual groups from India are in media view for all the wrong reasons. First one is that of Aasaram bapu, he is charged with attempted murder and various other similar charges, other one is Shri Ram Chandra Mission.

Just a few days back (30th Dec. 2009 to be precise) two foreign national were held by Chennai police for overstaying their visa period and possessing fake currency notes.

Kindly refer to news article published Deccan Chronicle (http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/iranian-woman-nabbed-counterfeit-currency-mall-712), the report says that both these abhyasis of sahaj marg had overstayed their valid visa period and for reasons best known to Shri Ram Chandra mission, it was not checked or informed to the police that these two abhyasis are overstaying in India.

Complete article reads as follows:-

Dec. 29: The city police on Monday arrested an Iranian woman who reportedly possessed fake currency and tried to purchase several articles from a well-known mall in Mylapore. They also seized counterfeit currency with the face value of Rs 27,500.
Further investigations revealed that the accused Ashraf Murtazavi (62) and her daughter Salomi Afthahi (29) hailing from Iran, held visas that had expired a few months ago and had overstayed.

The duo claimed that they came to India a few months ago to take meditation classes at a centre in Manapakkam. On Monday evening around 5.30 pm, the two went for shopping at a popular mall in Mylapore. When they handed over Rs 4,000 at the cash counter for settling the bills, the shop owner suspected the authenticity of the notes and alerted the police. The Mylapore police who rushed to the spot found that the currency notes were fake and picked up the two women for enquiry. Investigations revealed Ashraf Murtazavi was the one who held the fake notes and her daughter had no connections with it. “Ashraf Murtazavi claims that she got the currency notes from a Noor money exchanger which is under the supervision of Central bank of Iran. After enquiry we seized counterfeit notes with the face value of Rs 27,500 including the notes they had given at the mall,” said A.G Mourya, deputy commissioner, Mylapore.

This news article was published in various newspaper across india, which include times of india, Chennai town, The Hindu, Zee News and many more...

There are more details in the Times of india report which has published the statement of Mylapore deputy commissioner of police, it says:-

Asraf and Salom-e-Abtahi were in Chennai to attend meditation sessions at the Sri Ramachandra Mission Babuji Meditation Centre in Manapakkam. They had visited the city in July this year and stayed for more than 15 days.

“We have to verify whether Asraf had collected Indian currency from the exchange in Iran. We are also verifying if she had contacted any other person during her stay in the ashram in Manapakkam. We inspected her room in Manapakkam and collected some documents. We have asked immigration officials to check whether they are frequent visitors to Chennai and how long they had stayed here earlier. Also, whether they tendered fake currency at other shops in the city,” Mylapore deputy commissioner of police AG Mourya told The Times Of India.

These two abhyasis in addition to overstaying in india also had fake Indian currency notes, one of them is now arrested and other one is detained for questioning. Babuji Memorial ashram in chennai was also searched in this connection by police and their other contacts in SRCM are also under police scanner.

Sahaj marg as a practice promotes money laundering, and dealing in black money, if we take the comment of Joelly at its face value, P. Rajagopalachari insists on having money in cash and not in form of cheques or in a form in which it can be traced.

So is this spirituality? like Aasaram bapu, P. Rajagopalachari is a fake manipulative cunning and dis-honest person, these people are playing with the emotions of innocent people who seek spirituality, while looking for spirituality victims are trapped in fraud and manipulation and are made to commit crimes which under normal circumstances they would not have done.

In case of Aasaram bapu, those who follow him are called "Sadhak" (one who practice) in case of SRCM followers are called "Abhyasis" (one who practice) these cult use such names to trap people.

If you are a follower of sahaj marg and are reading this note, kindly open yourself to the possibility that sahaj marg is a fraud, it has got nothing to do with spirituality and all the gooblygoody talks of brighter world are nothing more then fooling tactics to milk you of your money, open your eyes and see the truth.

If you do not wake up now, you might well be caught doing some illegal activity like the two foreign national abhyasis of SRCM arrested in India for indulging in illicit activities, or like many followers of Aasaram bapu, or like followers of Dera saccha sauda.

Wake up before it gets too late and all doors are closed to you.

Rajagopalachari is not the president of the mission

2009-07-17T17:14:00.000+05:30

A report published in Indian daily Amar Ujala (http://www.amarujala.com/today/default.asp) dated 27th June 2009, states that P. Rajagopalachari is not the president of Shri Ram Chandra Mission.

Newspaper article can be found here ( http://www.freedom2think.org/documents/newspaper1.pdf )

Translation of this report is as follows:-

Rajagopalachari is not the president of the mission

Shahjahanpur, Amreeesh kumar, member of working committee of Shri Ram Chandra mission has said that parthasarthi rajagopalachari is a self proclaimed president of Shri Ram Chandra Mission, he also said that P rajagopalachari is running a parallel organization and is misguiding people by using name of Shri Ram Chandra mission, P. Rajagopalachari is already facing charges of illegal possession of property and other similar charges in court. Amreesh Kumar has further stated that in supreme court order dated 29^th april 2008, it is said that since P. Rajagopalachari is not a family member of babuji (direct line of succession) hence he cannot become representative of babuji and president of Shri Ram Chandra Mission.

This short report was published by the newspaper in order to counter the false propaganda spread by P. Rajagaoplachari, that the supreme court of India has ordered that he is the president of Shri Ram Chandra Mission.

This particular episode from the daily soap of "sahaj marg spirituality" is something like this:-

Uma Shanker bajpai (secretory of chari group) published an advertisement in another newspaper (Dainik Jagran) that "according to the supreme court order P. Rajagopalachari has become the president of SRCM, and he is visiting shahjahanpur ashram after a gap of 19 years".

When this advertisement came to notice of parent body of SRCM (run by Shri Navneet kumar), a case was filed against Uma shanker bajpai and the newspaper which published this advertisement, this advertisement was part of the larger conspiracy of spreading false propaganda that according to supreme court order P. Rajagopalachari has won, whereas facts were just the opposite. ( the newspaper has since published an apology, copy of which i do not have currently)

Order regarding the case filed by original SRCM related to the advertisement issued in Dainik jagran was passed by Shahjahanpur court (case number 220/08) on 5th May 2009. (see order here ) in which it is stated that since Uma Shanker bajpai has deliberately tried to mislead people by issuing a false advertisement which said that the supreme court has given a certain order which was not true, hence he is guilty under section 199 of the IPC and section 200 of the IPC, order has been passed by the Shahjahanpur court that proceeding regarding spreading false information with a deliberate intention of misleading the judicial process, and lying under oath, should be initiated against Uma Shanker bajpai and others, which is under way.

Now this to me seems to be a desperate attempt by Chari to somehow maintain control over SRCM, otherwise there is no reason as why anyone would issue an advertisement in a newspaper that a case has been decided in favor of a person when in reality the court order was just the opposite!!

Chari has been able to fool/manipulate people by using these tactics since 1983 onwards, its only now, that with the help of Internet humanity is able to see his true cunning face.

Translation of the order dated May 05 2009

Sequence of Events (SRCM-1983-1984)

2009-07-04T17:41:00.000+05:30

In my previous post i had published interviews and testimonials of some senior preceptors of Shri Ram Chandra mission, and all of them in one voice said P. Rajagopalachari was not elected as president of SRCM, but started his own group in parallel to what was functioning since 1945.

People who have testified till now are:-

1. Kasturi Chaturvedi

2. Dinaysh Kumar Saxena

3. Manbhawati devi

4. K.V Reddy

5. Punnet Saxena.

6. Amreesh Saxena.

Dispute between both the parties is still pending in court, and according to functionaries of SRCM-1945-India, there are violent clashes between the two group in court premises on each date of hearing.

Legal dispute is between Indian SRCM-1945 and California based SRCM-1997. Attempts for amicable settlement of the dispute was attempted, which failed, and matter reach in Indian court in 1984, and in USA court in 2000. (see here).

Matter is still lingering in court. (see here)

However we attempted to find out sequence of events which led to this situation, and is largely responsible for downfall of sahaj marg system of meditation, which currently is nothing more then a cult, involved in property shenanigans, poisoning, incest, divorces and other similar activities.

This all started immediately after death of the founder of Shri Ram Chandra Mission.

Sequence of events are as follows:-

1. Founder died on 19th April 1983.

2. Meeting of working committee of SRCM was held on 10th June 1983, in which P. Rajagopalachari and Sharad Saxena presented their claims for nomination. (Umesh did not present his claim in the first meeting) no decision was taken at that time, it was agreed in the meeting that both the claims will be examined and decision will be taken in next meeting.

3. P. Rajagopalachari started influencing members. between 1st meeting and second meeting (according to Manbhawti Devi).

4. During this period, Umesh Chandra presented his claim.

5. Second Meeting (scheduled in 10th June 1983 meeting) took place on 6th and 7th Feb 1984 (two days).

6. In this meeting all the 3 claims were examined and Umesh Chandra was declared as president as his nomination letter was considered to be genuine by the members of the working committee.

Following people were present in the meeting:-
1. Mr. P.C Chaturvedi (Chairman of the meeting)
2. Mr. P.C Saxena.
3. Mr. B.M Heble
4. Mr. R. Rajagopalachari
5. Mr. R.L Mimani
6. Mr K.V Subba Rao
7. V.R Vipat
8. Dr. S.P Shrivastava
9. Mr. K.C Narayana

http://www.freedom2think.org/documents/minutesofwc1984.pdf

7. After this meeting, S.A Sarnad (who was appointed secretory of SRCM in 1982 by the founder) circulated the appointment of U.C Saxena as president of SRCM on 15 Feb 1984.

8. P.C Chaturvedi who was chairman of the committee which appointed Umesh Chandra Saxena as president of SRCM is father of Kasturi Chaturvedi, (who some say drifted towards Chari, then moved away from him) but while talking to me, she did not mention that she ever endorsed Chari's nomination as president, she told me that Chari was never appointed as President of SRCM, which is consistent with the resolution adopted in 1983-84 meeting's.

What followed there after is legal battle, which is continuing even today.

9. According to K.V Reddy, who was overseas secretory of SRCM since 1980, K.C Narayana was neutral till 1991, started his own group ISRC with a commitment to umesh chandra that his group will be merged in his, once the legal skirmishes are over.

If we read the documents containing minutes of working committee meeting of 1984, we will find that there were serious efforts to pacify P. Rajagopalachari, who are furious because he was not elected as president of Shri Ram Chandra Mission, and was adamant to break away, as the nomination letter produced by him was found to be result of forgery, still P. Rajagoplachari started his parallel organization and spoiled the very essence on which Sahaj marg system is based. (brotherhood amongst followers), as is case with other personal religions of the world namely Islam and Christianity.

Hinduism however believes in "Vasudeva Kutumbakam" (entire world is my family). Struggle for money and power defines sahaj marg. We all must be aware of these facts before we venture out in these cults.

I personally feel that information presented by various bloggers and website owners are enough to convince any normal thinking person that Sahaj marg (as it is today) is no-where related to spirituality or love, but for those who are trapped in, it will be difficult to digest these informations.

When i spoke to Dinaysh Kumar Saxena (grandson of lalaji), I realized that people in sahaj marg are intemidated, they are made to believe that they cannot survive outside sahaj marg, and mostly people are trapped in SRCM because of fear and psycological barries, they have had developed faith in this group, and when i read statements by those involved and i read them saying "My Mission" i sense the psycological manipulation here, where members are made to identify themselves with this cult. This treand is very dangerous, as any identification with any object is not spiritual, spirituality means freedom, identification is slavery which causes miseary.

In course of this faith, members are trained in not to use their thinking capacity and are made obedient so much so, that they fail to see the obvious.

I will cite an example here.

In year 2007 P. rajagopalachari celebrated his 80th birth anniversary (see here) I will reproduce what is written in that link:-

Sahaj Sandesh No: 2007.20 – Thursday, May 10, 2007

Dear Sister / Brother:

Registration for July 2007 Celebrations

The last date to register for Rev. Master’s 80th Birth Anniversary celebrations has been extended to May 31, 2007. Please ensure that all abhyasis who are planning on attending this auspicious and joyous occasion submit their registration forms by this date.

Now have a look at celebration for the year 2009:- (see here) it says:

Wednesday the 15th April 2009

Dear Brothers & Sisters,

Pranams! We are deeply grateful and joyous that our Beloved Master has graciously permitted us to celebrate His 83rd birthday at Tiruppur, India.

Only two years have passed between 2007 and 2009, and P. Rajagopalachari has crossed 3 years. i.e according to sahaj marg logic 80+2=83.

We cannot expect those people to think who belive that 80+2=83. All the documents which we have presented here, will not convince those who believe that 80+2=83, those who know that 80+2 <> 83 but 82, will leave this cult immediatly and those who believe that 80+2=83 will continue to be an abhyasi.

Who can help those who do not care for their family, lie, manipulate and fools their family members because they have faith that 80+2=83!!

I cannot, but i can surly help those who still know that 80+2<>83.

With love
Shashwat

Shri Ram chandra Mission 1980-present

2009-06-28T14:42:00.001+05:30

Sometime back during my last visit to India i spoke to kasturi Chaturvedi [(download Kasturi Chaturvedi interview) OR watch Kasturi Chaturvedi interview on youtube ] wherein I asked her how is it possible that a person like babuji could appoint a person like P. Rajagopalachari as president of his organization. Her response was "If you can think like this, then babuji was a special personality".

In nut-shell, she said, babuji did not appoint Chari as president of Sahaj marg. Since then i was trying to find the truth as what has led to downfall of sahaj marg, during this quest, recently i spoke to two prominent person's who were very active during 1980-1990.

First person i spoke to was K.V Reddy, who was appointed overseas secretory of SRCM in 1980 and Manbhawati Devi, who was a close disciple of babuji (founder of this mission).

K.V Reddy was the chairman of the function held in Paris in which Manbhawani Devi was present with babuji and informed us of the first hand account as what all happened there at that time.

K. V Reddy is the current secretory of SRCM (Navneet group). He was made overseas secretory of SRCM by founder of sahaj marg system, and was chairman of conference held in Paris-france, which was the last overseas conference attended by the founder.

Interview of K.V Reddy (interview is in English):-

Sequence of events in Paris Chari's removal from SRCM in 1982 Current status of SRCM Status of ISRC of K.C Narayana

In this conversation, Mr. K.V Reddy, who is part of sahaj marg system of meditation since 1976 onwards, explains the character of P. rajagopalachari, he explains that chari was very "possessive", and wanted to become president of SRCM at any cost, he was presenting himself as president of SRCM, while founder was healthy and was functioning, his activities such as attempting to break the mission and shift operations to Chennai (then Madras), made babuji to remove him from the post of secretory of SRCM for indian affairs in 1982. Chari wrote this letter in response to his removal from SRCM. At that time overseas secretory was K.V Reddy and secretory for indian affairs was P. Rajagopalachari, after removal of Chari, S.A Sarnad was made secretory of SRCM for Indian affairs, and chari was asked to leave.

After his removal from the post of secretory Chari was furious as he has been presenting himself as president of SRCM before abhyasis of south India and international abhaysis .

Chari purchased the tickets to paris on his own, and while in flight exchanged the boarding pass with kanshiram, who was given the seat next to babuji, chari somehow manipulated Kanshiram and sat next to babuji in flight.

Mr. K.V Reddy also informs that babuji was quite healthy while he was boarding the Air India flight to Paris, he walked till the aircraft himself, but when he reached paris, babuji was semi-conscious, initially they thought that it may be jet-leg, but later when kanshiram told everyone that as how chari was eager to sit next to babuji and in a way forced him to exchange boarding pass, convinced everyone that something was fishy about it.

While in france, no Indian other than K. V Reddy and Mrs. Manbhawani Devi Aggrwal were present around babuji during his stay in Paris, Andre pory and other europiens were more close to babuji than Chari. We are also informed that babuji did not gave personal sitting to members in Paris (barring two occassions), but this job was delegated to K.V Reddy, (the statement which was read in the hall by S.A Sarnad had K.V Reddy's name).

K.V reddy also informs that Babuji said that chari should not be allowed to come near him.

Same sentiments were echoed by Manbhawati devi also, she in an interview to me said that babuji was very upset on Chari, while in france, and did not wanted to even see him around.

Initial reply of Manbhawati Devi (interview is in hindi):-

Manbhawati devi Interview File by Bigupload.com

While in france, Chari collaborated with some danish woman's, and started spreading the rummer that babuji has appointed him as the president of SRCM as babuji has now become old, (This information was given to K.V Reddy by a denish lady)

Chari was spreading this rummer that he has become president of SRCM, even before babuji expired.

According to Manbhawati Devi (who was present in the Paris conference and was in the room with babuji) Kanshiram abused and scolded Chari very aggresively, Manbhawati Devi also said that babuji was very upset on Chari, she narrated a specific instance wherein once in Shahjahanpur babuji asked her to sit in a car which was suppose to take him from his home to the ashram, Chari who was there told her that there is no room in the car and she cannot sit, at this she returned, and babuji when found that she was coming back asked her why she is not in the car, to which she replied that Chari has said that there is no room in car, at which babuji also returned and did not sit in the car, Chari then apologized, and babuji sat next to Chari, who was driving the car, and Manbhawati devi sat behind the car, but she said, babuji did not even looked at chari once.

She has also informed us about numerous incidences where Chari did not allowed babuji to even go for toilet or to brush his teeth, but forced him inside a room and made abhyasis enter the room one by one.

She was very sadden to see the condition of babuji, when chari was around.

Manbhawati devi further stated that Chari opposed the idea of babuji where he created zones for proper management of mission, on Chari's behest, some members from Chari group approached babuji and said that they are not comfortable with the concept of zone's presented by babuji, they threatened to leave the mission if this idea of zones was not dropped, babuji asked them to leave the mission, and this proved to be the beginning of difference between chari and babuji.

Manbhawati devi also informs us that babuji was quite concerned about Umesh Chandra and his well-being, babuji's attachment towards Umesh Chandra became stronger when his youngest son Sarvesh Chandra Saxena left babuji's home and started living in his wife's home.

All in all, Manbhawati devi has stated that Chari was not appointed representative of babuji, infect, she said that when babuji's signed papers where stolen babuji asked her to find out where those papers had gone missing, as he was afraid that someone might mis-use them.

Manbhawati devi has also refuted claim of Chari that babuji use to call abhyasis PIG's (see here), she also said that babuji was very much against the concept of marriages inside the mission, on the contrary babuji advocated that everyone should get married in his/her own caste (a practice still prominent in India).

All interview's of manbhawati devi can be downloaded from following location (interview is in hindi)

Manbhawati Devi Part-1 Manbhawati Devi Part-2 Manbhawati Devi Part-3 Manbhawati Devi Part-4 Manbhawati Devi Part-5 Manbhawati Devi Part-6 File by Bigupload.com

However, all members of the working committee of SRCM in 1983 rejected nomination letter presented and circulated by P. Rajagopalachari, soon after the death of babuji, primarily because the nomination letter presented by Chari stated that Chari has been appointed "president of sahaj marg system" and not of Shree Ram Chandra Mission, whereas there cannot be any president of sahaj marg system, but president can be for "Shri Ram Chandra Mission". Sahaj marg system is the name of a meditation method and is not an organization or a society which can have any president.

Everyone who was in sahaj marg at that time knew that sahaj marg is a meditation method, and hence there cannot be any president of sahaj marg system.

For clarity about this consider an example:- A person can become president of an organization and not of a product, to understand it better, Bell canada is a telecommunication company in Canada, which offer "broadband services" to its customers, can anyone become president of broadband technology?? and not of Bell canada? Can a person, who registered the company appoint someone as president for the services which the company offers and not for the company itself?

Based on this, and the evidence that signed letter heads were stolen from the office of SRCM, Chari's claim was rejected and nomination letter of Umesh Chandra was accepted, which was then circulated by the then secretory for internal affairs of SRCM, S.A Sarnad.

S.A Sarnad was made secretory after removing P. Rajagopalachari, on 28th july 1982 by babuji (founder of this system). Chari's removal was effective via Letter number P/60-2780 of of the mission , the letter in the link clearly states that S.A Saranad has been appointed as secretory of the mission. (June 28 1982)

One thing which we are very much sure of is that babuji was very upset on chari, to the point that he did not even wanted to see him around.

Dinaysh kumar saxena, (grandson of lalaji) voiced a similar opinion, but later he requested me to remove his interview from internet, (his detailed interview is now removed from this blog) as he was afraid that if he opens his mouth he may also meet the same fate (un-natural death) as Umesh Chandra has met, his admission can be found below.

Download his interview

Dinaysh Chandra has not yet asked me remove this confession. as and when i get request from Dinaysh Chandra to remove this, I will have no option but to remove it.

In essence mystery around Chari's nomination, and his subsequent hostile takeover of
SRCM has begun to give way to clarity.

We now know (from 3 different sources) that babuji was not at all happy with the activities of P. Rajagopalachari, so much so that he removed him from all administrative activities of SRCM, and did not liked his presence.

Manbhawati Devi, had given an example for this, she said, that babuji was preparing a preceptor, who was suppose to leave shahjahanpur later that day, Chari told babuji that his remaining two sitting he will give, babuji refused immediately and asked chari not to give sitting to that person.

We also now know that P. Rajagopalachari was very possessive about his position in SRCM and had already declared himself as president of SRCM while babuji was still alive.

Later after the death of babuji, Chari called everyone one-by-one and asked them if they are going to accept him as father or brother, according to Mabhawati Devi, Chari asked her also the same question, and she replied that babuji had already told her that Chari would do something like this, and she cannot accept chari in place of babuji as babuji himself have asked her not to do so.

P. Rajagopalachari has been able to manipulate innocent people with the help of some high ranking police officials and some ex-judges and some current administrative officials, presence of IPS, IAS and judges in his working committee clearly indicates that Shri Ram Chandra Mission run by P. Rajagopalachari is not for spiritual uplift-ment but for proper management of activities of P. Rajagopalachari during 1974-1995.

The funny part of all this drama is that, it is all in the name of spirituality!!!

Violence, (see here), fraud (see here), manipulation (see here) and cunning-ness (see here) which defines sahaj marg today can largely be attributed to selfishness and lust for power of P. Rajagopalachari.

We want to present the truth, brutal, honest, and naked truth!! We are not against the sahaj marg system of meditation, but we want everyone to know the truth before they get involved in anything of this kind.

Spirituality cannot be transmitted by a tained person, a person should claim to be spiritual only if s/he has come out of all controvercies and allegations levelled against him/her. Till matter is in court, one must not declear themselves as president of an organization, which is taken over by violence fraud and manipulation.

Thank You!!

Shashwat

Corporate policy of layoff

2009-06-01T07:08:00.000+05:30

These are hard times, there is an apparent slowdown in economy world wide, with people loosing their jobs, don't have money to spend, thereby causing more losses in various other area's which in turn causes more job-loss.

There is one thing common world-wide in this times of recession, lay-off, which people across the globe have now accepted as part of life.

There are some companies which are honest and are transparent in their undertakings and there are some companies which have stick to manipulative tactics throughout their life span, the honest companies, when they face losses, their employees know that their company is loosing money and need to take some difficult measures for the survival of the company, honest companies present their condition in-front of their employees and then present the list of lay-offs, employees of such companies are also honest because they have been working in an honest environment, they understand and accept whatever their company has to offer.

Whereas the cunning and manipulative companies use manipulative and cunning tactics for cost reduction, the cunning and manipulative company will create an impossible kind of working environment so that employees leave their jobs by their own, puzzled, as what has happened to these people who were soo good the previous day and have changed suddenly!!!

Now coming to Sahaj marg which is the topic under discussion in this blog, recently the cunning and manipulative leader of this cult has announced a series of cost cutting measures in his organization which is not making enough money as he was anticipating.

Parthasarthi Rajagopalchi has made a long speech announcing these cost cutting measures and also announcing the near impossible condition of survival inside the cult for its members.

On the face of it, it appears to be a good move as it will enable people to think as they will be able to get some time of their own when they spend time away from this cult, but it has a hidden meaning as well. We will try to understand his trap of change in time and no food policy of SRCM once again by taking the analogy of a corporate body.

When environment is made hostile and it become hard to survive in a company, the best brains which will get any job any where, will be the first to leave, only the rotten bottom employees remain in an organization where working conditions have become hostile, primarily because they cannot get job anywhere else.

Motive's and intentions of Chari has been exposed now, and many people who were working with him now know the true face of Chari, he needs to save his face more then he cares about mission or Ram Chandra Saxena for that matter, primary reason of this sudden tughlaki order from chari is this only, he is now threatened by some people inside the mission who know more then what they are suppose to know, now Chari need to find a way to keep them at bay, and this sudden order is the proof of it.

Now lets focus at some aspects of what chari has actually said and lets analyze it

Chari has said:-

I remember way back, I proposed to Babuji Maharaj that we have a bus to convey people from Shahjahanpur station to the ashram. He said, "I like your idea, but I do not want too much comfort. It is against spirituality."

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090531_NewDelhi.jsp

It is not clear as when babuji said that, but the point that Chari has made, that babuji was against the idea of having a bus to carry zombies from station to zombie manufacturing camps as It is against spirituality . It is well known that zombie's are carried from station to zombie grounds on each of his birthday bash organized in various towns of India, even if we have a look current registration form available at other section of the same web-site, it talks about comfort dorm's (http://www.srcm.org/members/24july2009/information.jsp), buses are available from station, so these acts are against spirituality, and chari has been doing this act, which according to himself is against spirituality, but still brainwashed zombies think and claim that sahaj marg is a spiritual system!!! either people living in comfort dorms are not spiritual people but PIG's (as Chari calls them) or are fools of highest order (as i call them)

Chari has further stated:-

He had a big family. Babuji has very vividly said how even in the coldest winter of Fatehgarh, he used to sleep with his whole family under one torn blanket.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090531_NewDelhi.jsp

It is so astonishing that chari is giving example of lalaji's family who is no-where related to sahaj marg, but he has never ever uttered a word about babuji's family!! WHY??? why Chari has never said a single statement about family members of babuji?

Here is the reason why

http://www.youtube.com/user/exposingsahajmarg

Chari started his speech by saying:-

I'm sorry to say that I don't see this nowadays. And perhaps it is my fault that I have permitted timings to be changed, routines to be changed, requirements to be weakened. Being led to believe that if our requirements are stringent, people will not come. We have made the mistake of not obeying Babuji's principles where he said, "I want quality, not quantity." I believe that somewhere along the way in the past forty five years, this mistake was made by me first, that we started thinking of numbers and not quality so that today we have a great deal of numbers and not much quality.

This man is shameless, he admits that he has not been obeying his own master and has been vomiting countless speeches about obedience!!! this can happen only in sahaj marg, reason as why he took help from criminal minded people is pretty straight forward, he needed to maintain his control over the property of the mission created by babuji and he needed goon's and criminals as well as police officers and people in judiciary on his side so that he can maintain the power and control over mission which rightfully belongs to someone else, he has snatched the home and property of others and needed protection, and this is the only reason as why only criminals or police officials and members of judiciary are the working committee member of SRCM controlled and run by P Rajagopalachari.

We need to be vigilant against such fake, manipulative and cunning individuals who would go to any length to get benefit for their own self.

your safety is in your own hands

Not to judge

2009-05-21T01:40:00.000+05:30

In one of the post on website of Chari's SRCM Chari has said and i quote

So what do we go there for? Are we serious about what we are looking for? Or are we just going to re-evaluate this phenomenon that we call the guru, judge the sitting, but by what? "It was cold and you know there was a kankad [stone] under my… we sat mostly on stones, and…", you know. And judging the physical environment: the lack of comfort, the simplicity of the food, people even criticising it. "Yeh kutta bhi nahi khaayega [Even a dog would not eat this]," I have heard people say.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090417_Tiruppur.jsp

Chari also comes up with all the made up stories from hindu mythology which he does not hesitate to rubbish when it suites him.

It is very important to realize the importance of critical thinking, A person who cannot walk himself is trying to teach how to win a race!! Chari is not a guru but a wolf hiding behind a fake mask, various court cases and allegation of fraudulent activities are proof.

I would not like to comment myself about importance of critical thinking but instead i would like to present a proof about the same.

If you listen to what is said at 3:01 in the video above you will understand the importance of critical thinking, if you do not have capacity to think critically which Chari and his gang members try to erase, "YOU CAN BE BRAINWASHED" and remember sahaj marg exists today only because it is able to brainwash people. Start thinking critically it is very important for survival from beasts faking as spiritual person.

Apart from that, we already know that chari has labeled all bloggers are enemy of spirituality, and chari is convinced that entire civilization is enemy of spirituality

You know how much we suffer from our sophistication, our civilization. It has led me to believe that civilization is an enemy of spirituality.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090417_Tiruppur.jsp

Remember when you see everything wrong in the world, it is YOU who is wrong and not the world, neither the bloggers nor the civilization is enemy of spirituality but it is people like P. Rajagopalachari and cults like sahaj marg who are enemy of spirituality.

Sahaj Marg

2009-04-16T12:49:00.000+05:30

Concept of sahaj marg is fundamentally wrong. It is not a spiritual or religious system, but outcome of hallucination. Ignoring the acts of criminal minded P. rajagopalachari and his bete noire Navneet, Kasturi and K.C Naryana, if we try and analyze concept of sahaj marg itself we can come to a conclusion that it is just a business like any other business group, aim is to make money, please keep in mind we do not have unselfish people nowadays.

Before we move into analysis of sahaj marg, we must observe the outcome of sahaj marg which is present currently, I am not going to attempt to demonstrate any psychic phenomena from a scientific basis, because it will require a great deal of preparation for both the presenter as well as audience, therefore i will not demonstrate sahaj marg directly but we will demonstrate the outcome of teachings of sahaj marg which in turn will explain sahaj marg in detail.

If we have to give an psychic explanation of sahaj marg, it will require the subjective and the objective side. In case of sahaj marg we have subjective side (transmission) but the objective side is missing... (where does it lead to???)

To make this point more clear, as why sahaj marg is rotten, Take example of chemistry and physics, with which we are so familiar, and of which we have read so much, is it true that everyone in this world is able to understand the demonstration even of the commonest subjects? Take any boor and show him one of your experiments. What will he understand of it? Nothing. It requires a good deal of previous training to be brought up to the point of understanding an experiment. Before that he cannot understand it at all. That is a area difficulty in the way. If scientific demonstration mean bringing down certain facts to a plane which is universe for all human beings, where all beings can understand it I doubt that there can be any such scientific demonstration for any subject in the world. So, on the face of it, it is absurd if this be the meaning of scientific demonstration, the bringing down of intricate facts to the plane on which we are now.

The next approach should be the correct one, perhaps, that certain facts should be adduced as proving certain more intricate facts. There are certain more complicated intricate phenomena, which we explain by less intricate ones, and thus get, perhaps, nearer to them; in this way they are gradually brought down to the plane of our present ordinary consciousness.

Therefore choosing the second option, lets try and bring down sahaj marg to our plan and understand it, first step is to observe the immediate outcome of sahaj marg which is present in our own time, currently, right now, we will not go into past, nor we intend to predict the future, we will observe the ground reality which is present currently.

After Ram Chandra expired in 1983, battle for ownership started, this in itself demonstrates that Ram Chandra was not an enlighten person nor was he a person who could enable people become more subtle and loving, because if this was the case, people who were very close to him would not have become lusty and power hungry.

There are at-least 5 branches of sahaj marg started by Ram Chandra (aka babuji). We will not consider off-shoots of lalaji because it has been established before that lalaji has nothing to do with sahaj marg. ( see here .)

Five people representing sahaj marg currently are:-

1. Navneet Saxena (http://www.babujimemorial.org)

2. K. C Narayana (http://www.sriramchandra.org/)

3. Kasturi Chaturvedi (http://kasturibhenji.blogspot.com/) as in case of other cult’s she is also scared of criticism hence their blog is blocked

4. Raghvendra Rao (http://makamsureshkumar.blogspot.com/)

5. P Rajagopalachari (http://www.srcm.org)

Therefore first outcome of sahaj marg which is evident by the fact presented above, and which we can easily understand using common sense is "division". Sahaj Marg is divisive, we can safely conclude from this, that anyone who is going to get involve in sahaj marg will eventually become like the people above, who cannot stay together with their group or society, and will branch out claiming themselves to be the rightful owner of sahaj marg.

The second outcome of sahaj marg which is visible is "greed" which always results in "violence", "manipulation" and "cunning approach", example is capture of various properties and hostile takeovers of one group over other, this is also a sahaj marg outcome (see here). There is no denying fact that P. Rajagopalachari was associated with Babuji, and from the letters written by Babuji himself it is evident that Chari was close to him as well, now looking at the behavior and acts of P. Rajagopalachari, we can safely conclude what type of teachings he has gone through and what has made him the kind of person he is today, its SAHAJ MARG, P. Rajagopalachari not only claims himself to represent sahaj marg, but also claims that babuji appointed him as his successor, and all he is doing is propagating the teachings of babuji. Therefore "greed", "violence", "manipulation" and "cunningness" forms the character of sahaj marg, and are integral part of this concept.

Third outcome of sahaj marg is "divorces", this in turn destabilizes the society and makes sahaj marg an anti-social and harmful cult (see here). Sahaj Marg as a concept is directly responsible for all the divorces happened inside this cult, because it teaches that "Master" is most important person in life of its victim, no method is defined in sahaj marg for roll-back process, sahaj marg explains only how one can join it, (three sitting with a lusty preceptor) there is no process defined on how to un-join sahaj marg, this one way approach is what is responsible for divorces.

Fourth outcome of sahaj marg is suicidal tendencies, (see here) and statement from one of the representative of Babuji

And I pray to you, beloved Master, to grant us this privilege of rejoining you in the brighter world as soon as possible

Note:-Only dead people live in "brighter world"

We do not intend to discuss all the googblygoody talks about sahaj marg, that it has to be felt, and there is some kind of transmission happening in there, and if you imagine smoke going out from you back you are actually elevating spiritually, because there is no evidence nor any logical proof nor there is any attempt from srcm to explain these claims by explaining certain lower aspects which can be explained and understood, which in turn would testify for something higher if there is anything of that sort, for example imagining smoke going out from your back side, how anyone can become spiritual? there is no answer to this, neither there is any attempt from those propagating it to explain it, therefore we have the liberty to accept that, which is visible and is evident. Now what we have understood, clearly demonstrates and points out, that sahaj marg is not a spiritual practice but a mind controlling, brainwashing cult (the concept itself), which is divisive, harmful, induces suicidal tendencies, instigates divorces, induces hallucination and reduces capacity of rational thinking, negates positive human growth, and suppress natural spiritual quest. (no particular group but the concept itself).

This confirms that sahaj marg is not spiritual or religious group but is a harmful cult similar to jim jhones Peoples temple or AA kind of a thing.

These are the basic characteristic of sahaj marg, and any group which claims to teach sahaj marg is basically propagating qualities explained, these are part of sahaj marg, and any group claiming to teach anything other then this, is not teaching sahaj marg but something else.

Have a look at all these glaring realities about sahaj marg and instead of trying to squeeze oil from stone, become normal and get rid of sahaj marg and help others also to get rid of this disease.

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A Fake spiritual Guru

2009-04-08T09:24:00.000+05:30

Common sense tells us that we must always test claims of people before we accept them as fact, we may accept a person as good by assuming good faith, till that person does not demonstrate him/herself to be otherwise, but as far as accepting any claim, it must be proved and must satisfy our intellect.

In-case of Sahaj marg, there is no proof, no logical conclusion, nothing exists to establish the validity of this system. The most prominent aspect which is clearly visible in sahaj marg is elevation of ego, and breaking of families associated with it. Since our objective is to enable people to think for themselves and do not fall in trap created by cunning and manipulative guru of sahaj marg (California based) and his army of lusty preceptors, we tried to find out as how do we distinguish between a fake and an real enlighten master.

To start with here is one video i found on youtube, where someone is explaining precisely the same thing.

I do not know as who this person is, i have never heard his name, nor i have visited his website or website of people dis-satisfied with him, nevertheless, I find his explanation to be worthy of discussion, and putting P. Rajagopalachari under the scanner of this person's explanation.

In his statement person in video has explained certain characteristics of an enlighten master and those of fake cunning guru's.

I will list down the gist of comments made in this video and below each comment i will put what chari say's:-

1. It is very difficult to prove that a person is enlighten because such a person would never say that s/he is enlighten.

Here is Chari claiming that he is a liberated one

I told Babuji one day in Shahjahanpur, I think it was in 1968 or '69. He congratulated me and said, "Now you are liberated."

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090318_Raipur.jsp

2. True enlighten masters are very simple, and down to earth, mostly they are not even noticed, because they never declare themselves to be a master.

Chari is fighting battles in courts to prove that he is an enlighten master.

http://www.indlii.org/JudgementDetailPF.aspx?JudgementID=6444

3. Even if animals pass by an enlighten master, they forget their birth enmity towards other animals, like snakes and mongoose, in presence of an enlighten master, they forget their birth enmity towards each other.

Chari himself has various criminal cases against him which are related to violence, fraud and cheating, people who are closely related to him, like general secretory U.S bajpai, vice president A. P Duari, and all most all members of his inner circle, they all have criminal cases against them for violence

http://srcmcultofindia.blogspot.com/2008/10/proof-that-parthsarthi-rajgopalachari.html

4. In case of any natural calamity, place where an enlighten master is present there will be little or no effect.

Recently there were floods in Chennai, this is what happened in Sahaj marg head quarters

"The flood this November has been the worst so far. Water has never entered the cottage, but last night there was nearly two feet of water inside the cottage. The compound wall in the rear - Lion gate to the cascade, behind the Babuji Mantap - has collapsed. In the general dining area there is more than six feet of water. At the North-Eastern end, there is reportedly nearly ten feet of water. The parking area in front is under five feet of water. The ashram has been evacuated yesterday late evening, and today all will be moved to a Kalyana Mantapam [wedding hall] in Mylapore, along with residents behind the ashram in the Garden Road. The Police Commissioner has promised to assist with boats, which will hopefully arrive in a few hours time..."

http://www.srcm.org/members/ssandesh/2008/2008_36.jsp

5. An enlighten master would never force anyone to do anything.

Here is Chari forcing people to buy his costly book messages from brighter world:-
So I would take this opportunity of imploring you all to read these messages again and again. Read it with, you know, an open heart so that the meaning goes into you direct into the heart without going through the brain. We have to bypass the brain if you are going to be a spiritual person seriously interested in your evolution. Anything that you subject to your brain for evaluation will only doom you to further slavery. I hope you will take this last warning of mine to heart - put away your head completely.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090202_Satkhol.jsp

And here is Chari hammering stuffs in his victims:-

See, this sentence is to be hammered into your hearts. If you can't accept it, somebody should hammer it. Keep your Master happy under all circumstances.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090321_Kolkata.jsp

6. All enlighten masters do not depend on any books, their knowledge come by itself, because soul has infinite power.

Chari has been trying very very hard to sell his book, "Brighter World" In my books of Sahaj Marg, what Babuji wrote, often a book is one sentence. But that sentence has to be opened, analyzed, gone into, day after day, and then you will find that it is really a book. Please try it. Thank you.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090315_Pune.jsp

7. A fake guru would not allow you to react, whereas an enlighten master will always encourage you to react.

Chari has always been saying one must not react, the only requirement to is to become a mindless obedient drone. No questions. Totally unquestioning obedience is the only requirement of this spiritual way that I know, Sahaj Marg. The moment you start asking questions, it is implicit that you are questioning the wisdom of your Master, the intentions of your Master and his existence itself - never done, except at the peril of your own evolution.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090202_Satkhol.jsp

Hence we find that Chari and his sahaj marg, does not even stand anywhere close to a definition of true enlighten master or a true spiritual system, across a very amateur standard of spirituality.

Open your eyes and look at this fake manipulative and cunning guru, get rid of him, and start living a free life, which is truly spiritual. Do not fall in traps of sahaj marg.

Cannibalism in Sahaj Marg

2009-03-08T12:34:00.001+05:30

Sahaj Marg run by P Rajagopalachari is based on fraud and manipulation, according to Puneet Saxena, grandson of Babuji and legal advisor of SRCM (Shahjahanpur), Chari has used his marketing strategy and appointed high ranking police and judicial officers, along with businessmen in his "SRCM working committee". These people in turn are lured into greed of being appointed in a post in "international organization" and then they fight for Chari in courts and in public, partly to save their own position in the company SRCM and partly to maintain the structure which is based on lies and manipulation.

here is puneet explaining the manipulation:-

Spirituality of SRCM (Chari group) as explained by senior citizen (65+) helpless and beaten by goons of P. Rajagopalachari, thrown out from their homes and roaming free... because the goons were once part of administration and used their influence to silnce the poor and helpless victims, primarily family members of the founder of sahaj marg system:-

In all there are 17 video's where deeds of fake, manipulative and cunning P. rajagopalachari is exposed, you can find all videos on youtube.

kasturi chaturvedi explains sahaj marg

2009-02-23T00:59:00.000+05:30

Transcript of conversation with kasturi chaturvedi

Interview can be downloaded here

Alternate link to download this conversation is here

for transcript of this conversation see don's blog.

Lalaji and Sahaj marg.

2009-02-19T23:20:00.000+05:30

By looking at the absurd statements made by Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari regarding lalaji and his group, we decided to investigate this claim of Shree RamChandra Mission run by Chari & company, we were astonished when we came to know that Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari lie's about Lalaji and makes up stories about RamChandra of fathegarh alias lalaji, which were in absolute contradiction to the character of lalaji, we discussed and referred to some more groups and organizations which were established by lalali himself and we finally came to conclusion that parthasarthi rajagopalchari has made up all the stories about lalaji and used those stories to manipulate and fool people all in name of spirituality.

This post contains discussion our from orkut community freedom from SRCM-Sahaj Marg Discussion can be found under topic Lalaji

After our investigation and discussion, we came to this conclusion that lalaji was never associated with Sahaj marg, he had his own method, which is taken care of by santmat of fathegarh, and another organization in mathura, Chari's claim that lalaji is a master in the linage of sahaj marg is a bogus claim, exactly similar to their claim that sahaj marg is modified version of raja yoga.

Here is the statement from Chari which instigated us to get to the roots of Lalaji's association with Chari's Sahaj marg.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/070202_Tiruppur.jsp

Lalaji Maharaj, whose birth anniversary we are celebrating today has ordained–it was not merely an expression of his wishes–has ordained that abhyasis should marry amongst each other, so that in two or three generations we have an exploding Sahaj Marg population.

Go through the discussion and feel free to add your comments.

Orkut Discussion:-

Shashwat

SRCM claims that lalaji is the founder of the system of sahaj marg, not only this, our funny joker P. Rajagopalachari also claims that lalaji has ordered that members of his cult must marry each other.

If we try to find out the roots of the problem we are facing today (i.e sahaj marg), we may end-up finding various version of lalaji and his theory of transmission, Chari's gang claims that Lalaji re-discovered Raja Yoga, here is what they claim in their website:-

He rediscovered and refined the ancient raja yoga method of pranahuti, whereby divine energy is transmitted by the Master into the heart of the aspirant in order to expedite his or her spiritual development

Now there is something also called as Raja Yoga system of "Pranahuti", this is not patanjali's Raja Yoga but raja yoga of "Pranahuti" and it is ancient as well, the same group also claims that same system is modified version of Patanjali's Raja Yoga wherein they start from the last stage of patanjali's raja yoga, these hopeless attempt to present sahaj marg as modified version of raja yoga speaks volumes about true nature of this system.

Sahaj Marg has got nothing to do with raja yoga, it is simply a product of hallucination on part of Babuji, and Chari has simply made it worst.

Lalaji on other hand seems to be a follower of Islam, we have three groups currently which claims exclusive successor-ship from Lalaji, they are:-

1. Ramashram satsang

2. Santmat

3. SRCM

There are few more, but they do not claim exclusive ownership of Lalaji, we are aware of Lalaji's family linage, and they are also into this business of selling divinity.

All these group present a different picture of Lalaji and color Lalaji according to their own vision and do not present the true picture. We need to know and understand few things here they are:-

1. What has caused sahaj marg to come into existence!

2. Why and how sahaj marg turned out to be a worst kind of brainwashing cult!

3. Is there anything spiritual in sahaj marg? if yes what?

4. How come Lalaji is involved in something of this nature which is hell bent in destroying the foundations of our society?

5. Why sahaj marg breaks family?

6. Why and how sahaj marg makes its followers week and cowards?

We need to find out answers to these questions and i intend to start a discussion on these 6 topic in our forum, so that all those who are reading our forum may get a glimpse of what is sahaj marg in relaity?

I intend to start with Lalaji, and i will take 3 references for the same, to start with we will analyze the Ramashram satsang version of Lalaji's history, here is their link:-

http: //spiritual-meditation. org/background. htm

They say:-

Rev. Lala ji Maharaj was formally initiated by his Master into the Spiritual Transmission system of Meditation on 23 January 1896 and was finally proclaimed a great saint and spiritual Master on 11 October 1896 in a large convention of saints and advanced devotees. After the demise of his spiritual Master, Rev. La1aji Maharaj took up the mission of spreading the Spiritual Transmission linked Meditation system to the needy aspirants in a big way from 1911 upto Aug.14, 1931 when he merged into supreme consciousness for ever. His most beloved disciple Rev. Dr. Srikrishan LaUi Maharaj was proclaimed as saint vested with full spiritual powers by Rev. Lala ji Maharaj in his life time itself, who continued the mission of his Master from 1931 onwards from his Ramashram located at Sikandarabad (UP.)

Another version of Lalaji is available here:-

http: //astrologerjolly. tripod. com/ramashram. htm

When Mahatma Ji was eighteen, he came in contact with a great Sufi Master, Maulana Fazal Ahmed Khan Saheb. Khan Saheb was totally above the preposterous idea of man-man divide in the name of religion. "Khuda mazhab mein nahin, muhabbat mein hai" (God is not in religions, He is in love) was his fundamental belief. He was a siddha, an enlightened master. His followers included people from all faiths. He found in Mahatma Ji an able soul who could further his mission to awake general masses to devote themselves to the path of God.

Like his master, Mahatma Ji was a great humanitarian. He lived a simple life. Many of his disciples carried his mission of spreading the light of truth. A number of such organisations are today working pronouncing that the wisdom of sages are meant for the common people and boundaries dividing the mankind are only man made.

Thakur Saheb Shri Ram Singh Ji was a Sant in the lineage of Sufism and Santmat in India. A great generous and reformist Sufi mystic, Maulana Fazal Ahemad Khan Saheb chose to bestow his grace on his able desciple belonging to Hindu faith, Mahatma Shri Ram Chandra Ji Maharaj (Lala Ji). Thakur Saheb was one of the great disciples of Mahatma Shri Ram Chandra Ji Maharaj.

This is another linage of Lalaji.

nd finally the version of Lalaji presented by Chari's gang:-

http: //www. sahajmarg. org/welcome/masters/lalaji. html

His personality, mode of living and general behaviour earned Lalaji the respect and affection of his neighbours. He was much loved by Hindus and Muslims alike, and though he loved his followers with all their faults, he was also a strict disciplinarian. In contrast to the practices of his time, he was very much against rituals and idol worship and in favour of the remarriage of widows as well as the education of women.

Display of any kind was repugnant to Lalaji, and he advised aspirants to stay away from powers until they reached their goal and discipline was perfected. He felt that every aspirant needed a spiritual Master, and that great care should be taken in selecting one. His doors were open to all, and he would frequently transmit to his followers until 2 o’clock in the morning. He regarded morality as essential to
Self-realisation and love as the greatest spiritual practice.

On August 14, 1931, Lalaji passed away, leaving Babuji to continue his work for the upliftment of humankind.

From these 3 version of Lalaji, at max only one of these can be true, which in turn means, two of these groups are liars and are fake, manipulating people and fooling them in name of someone who died long back !!!

We need to analyze these 3 groups to start with our quest to find the roots of our problem which is sahaj marg.

I hope we will have some good discussion about this topic and can come to a conclusion.

All the 3 groups in question claim that Lalaji left his most beloved disciple to carry forward his work, first one is

1. His most beloved disciple Rev. Dr. Srikrishan LaUi Maharaj was proclaimed as saint vested with full spiritual powers by Rev. Lala ji Maharaj in his life time itself, who continued the mission of his Master from 1931 onwards from his Ramashram located at Sikandarabad (UP.)
http: //spiritual-meditation. org/background. Htm

2. Maulana Fazal Ahemad Khan Saheb chose to bestow his grace on his able desciple belonging to Hindu faith, Mahatma Shri Ram Chandra Ji Maharaj (Lala Ji). Thakur Saheb was one of the great disciples of Mahatma Shri Ram Chandra Ji Maharaj.
http: //astrologerjolly. tripod. com/ramashram. htm

and

3. On August 14, 1931, Lalaji passed away, leaving Babuji to continue his work for the upliftment of humankind.
http: //www. sahajmarg. org/welcome/masters/lalaji. html

They all cannot be true at the same time, only one of these groups is honest and a genuine one, question we need to answer is which one?

cyril

Shashwat:
You say:

Lalaji on other hand seems to be a follower of Islam, we have three groups currently which claims exclusive successor-ship from Lalaji, they are:-
1. Ramashram satsang
2. Santmat
3. SRCM
Of the three groups you mentionned, which group is SANTMAT? What is SANTMAT? The use of Shabda, as in SOUND or a MANTRA? You don't mention SANTMAT in any other group.
You also say: "Lalaji seems to be a follower of Islam". You will note that in the "golden chain" on Lalaji's family site: NaqshMuMRa Nexus, the Prophet Mahummad has been removed by Dr Chandra Gupta, to whom the Sufi Saints and Sufism site of Dr. PK Gupta: http://www.geocities.com/sufisaints/ and the words: "my master, my GOd" have been inserted.
http://laalaajinilayam.googlepages.com/goldenchain
Also...
If you want input from everyone, such as myself, let us keep words of "insult" such as "cowards", or "weak", "liars", "fake", "frauds", "zombies", "brainwashed", "cults", etc... out of this "LOGICAL" discussion (debate). Those are "subjective" and merely Points of View (POV) ...
It does not encourage an "intellectual" debate but lowers the tolerance level to "emotionalism", and all its many veils of many colours. Emotionalism does not reveal the true colour of REALITY and/or TRUTH that would be closer to WHITE LIGHT ... or a LIGHT or thought of very high FREQUENCY... If we can't see the WHITE light in others, then let them colour their own REALITY with their "colours" and we can simply REVEAL or EXPOSE them by "quoting" them, not creating and inventing new words of "PUT-DOWN".
Thanks for understanding ...
Cyril borg...

Shashwat

I am not sure about surat shabd and its association with Santmat, what i am referring to is the concept postulated about santmat by ramashram satsang, here is what they claim:-
Thakur Saheb Shri Ram Singh Ji was a Sant in the lineage of Sufism and Santmat in India. A great generous and reformist Sufi mystic, Maulana Fazal Ahemad Khan Saheb chose to bestow his grace on his able desciple belonging to Hindu faith, Mahatma Shri Ram Chandra Ji Maharaj (Lala Ji). Thakur Saheb was one of the great disciples of Mahatma Shri Ram Chandra Ji Maharaj.
http://www.jollycreations. com/spiritual. asp
About using the terms which are truth, but difficult to digest, its my responsibility because i am making those statement, and i am ready to take my words back, IF ANYONE CAN PROVE THEM TO BE WRONG!!
Comfort is no test for truth, on the contrary truth is often far from being comfortable..... SV
I will not hesitate to speak the truth, i will speak what i believe is truth, if my view is proven wrong, i will not hesitate to take my words back, and tender an apology, but for this to happen, someone must come forward and prove me wrong..
I will wait for some more time, so that we can get input from some more user's having information about Lalaji, we will wind up this discussion soon.

jogarao

The simplicity with which Lalaji and Babuji propagated this system of pranahuthi aided Raja yoga meditation to the universal community who crave for ultimate goal of self realisation has itself became the veil covering the ultimate reality. it is unfortunate that the gullible followers allowed some vested interests to exploit them for selfish gains and thereby lost precious time. there is no point to brood over the past but treat them with negligence they deserve as otherwise they may play havock on all concerned.

The best solution to this problem is to continue our practice without bothering about the obstacles in the form of these individuals, and as assured by The Adi guru and Founder of this system the restless craving and helpless cry of a sincere abhyasi makes the Eternal Master who is one with the Ultimate certainly comes to the rescue of the true followers and punish those who violate their guidlines with a severe punishment they deserve most.

It is in the interest of our own progress we should not deviate from the chosen path of becoming one with the Master who merged in toto with the Ultimate to guide the Humanity at large to reach the main goal of Human life that is to become one with the special personality who came down to this world to lead us all to that goal.All we need to do now is to keep that goal in our mind and remain attached only to Him and none else.

cyril

Hi Jogarao...

Welcome to the discussion...

You say: "...who crave for ultimate goal of self realisation has itself became the veil covering the ultimate reality."

Do you think that "self-realization" can cover the ULTIMATE REALITY? Does not "self-realization" mean that one realizes the TRUE self, not a copy or a "fake" version of the SELF... unless you mean a "fake" version of "self-realization", that is not a 'realization" of the self at all, but of an "illusion"...

Who is it that "covers the Ultimate REALITY with "self-realization"?

You say: " ... reach the main goal of Human life that is to become one with the special personality who came down to this world to lead us all to that goal"

Does Lalaji mention a "special personality"? Who beside Babuji mentions a "special personality"? Should there not be a lot of others who mention such a PERSON?

Where do you find that Babuji is the SPECIAL PERSONALITY beside in SAHAJ MARG?
Babuji never said he was "the SPECIAL PERSONALITY"... The only ones who I heard it said is from Chari... Do you know of anyone else?

Do anyone in the RAMASHRAM of Lalaji think that Sahaj Marg is now the ONLY PATH as Babuji stated in his letter of 1963 that is on the "Naqshbandiyya Nexus" site of the Lalaji Family (Dinesh, the Dean of the Naqshbandiyya Order "NaqshMuMRa". Dinesh is #39 and Lalaji is #36. Babuji is not on their GOLDEN chain and was never a Preceptor of Lalaji's group and only met him a few times.

Thanks for you comments and replies to this query..

Cyril Borg...

jogarao

Hi Cyril,
It is very nice of you to comment on my post.
When I stated that the simplicity with which Lalaji and Babuji propagated the system that simplicity itself made people think that it is very difficult to follow the system because most of us think in complications instead of simple thinking.This simplicity has been misunderstood due to our limited thinking that it is very difficult to realise self.where as Lalaji and Babuji proved beyond doubt that any complicated thinking diverts his/her attention from the main goal because simplicity is also subtle and sensitive and slightest deviation is enough for a down fall.

The no of books written by Babuji such as Reality at Dawn, Efficacy of Rajyog in the light of ahajmarg Commentary on Ten commandments ,Towards Infinity etc.. besides his auto biography in three volumes published by the shahjahanpur centre reveals many aspects of this sadhana and one can understand the system in right perspective.

It is our misfortune that we have with us a very few direct followers who too lead the same kind of simple life and leave the rest to destiny because nature will take its own time to settle scores for it is tolerent enough to wait and we too are required to be like that if we want that ultimate which is beyond explanation but which can be experienced alone.The practice is purely individualistic in the sense that our experiences differ due to our individual past but mind you we are all going to reach the final goal if we do not deviate and depend on Him alone who only can take us there.

But if we continue our practice as laid down by Babuji since he brought this system into this world by the grace of His Master Lalaji Maharaj, no force on earth prevent us to reach that goal. Babuji in his auto biography mentioned about that special personality but never claimed himself as that personality. The abhyasis around him by their individual experiences realised his real person and got benefitted by His direct instructions.

cyril

Hi Jogarao...

Thank you for your replies...

I can see (read) that you are a good person (male/female?) and that the teachings of Babuji have remained a source of good in your life. I have noticed that in other groups also, such as the ISRC of Narayana, specially his father, Dr. Varadachari, and even in some of the leaderless schisms in Europe who still meet in small groups and do not join in with the Chari faction.

I believe that the Chari Group (SRCM(California) is the PROBLEM in all our lives and for the SRCM in general. I am sure that Chari thinks that after he is gone, his successor will attempt at "ecumenism" as the Catholic Church has tried for centuries without much success. The Divisions have remained.

I agree with you that it is unfortunate that a person who is not properly trained in "spirituality" is now leading the SRCM (California), and hence has created so many divisions in the families of the disciples who's mates can't accept this "star" syndrome that has to follow such "bad teaching". Poor Babuji! Wether there is "punishment" on this Earth, for the divisions of PEOPLE to the level of "trade-mark" and violence is yet to be seen. Hence many "seekers" believe in another life or many other lives to balance our actions, believing that the ONE is JUST, and that in ITS Creation, there should also be JUSTICE. That is a belief and not a FACT, or a TRUTH, and is yet to be seen (by me) or confirmed (shown or proven) by others.

I pray that when I see the POOR, or the SICK and the VICTIMS, I don't just turn my back and say: "You are just paying for past deeds". But I hope that I and all will continue to be guided by compassion and Charity and lend a hand as much as I can, if only in my words and thoughts, and hopes and prayers.

I Bless you and yours...

Cyril Borg

jogarao

Hi Cyril,
I would like to clarify further as follows:
There is every possibility to mistake one who feels that he realized self since in such a state as declared by Babuji himself one forgets self completely and if anyone declares himself that he realized self then it is false claim altogether. No one so far , even among the loyal followers of Babuji declared that he realized self or ultimate but simply say I don't Know since he forgets himself completely and remains in the remembrance of HIS mASTER WHO AGAIN TOTALLY MERGED HIMSELF INTO ULTIMATE REALITY and beyond.It is up to us only to use our discrimination and decide whether that person who declares himself as Master really deserves our attention or not. Another thing is we too experience such forgetful condition when we are near such realized personalities and that is the real proof about their condition.
We have come across such realized souls in persons like Late Raghavendra rao of raichur and experienced that condition though for a short while. It has been verified with other abhyasis and confirmed by self. They remind us the presence of such special personality though they never claim as such but we can deduce it by our personal experience.
We normally look at things or persons and form our opinion according to our impressions and past experience. Unfortunately if we fall into the hands of such imposters we too will be carried away by their false images till we come accross spiritually elevated personalities and there by get rid of those false impressions.Let us wait for such a moment patiently without losing heart but with positive expectation. Just understand that unless we are aware of pain we can not experience pleasure and unless we are aware of evil tendencies we can not experience relief from them.All these words are out of my own experience and I have not been prompted by any external agency.
I pray Master to bestow us with such experiences so that we may not deviate from the chosen path and reach our destination.

cyril

Hi Jogarao...

You say:"... HIS mASTER WHO AGAIN TOTALLY MERGED HIMSELF INTO ULTIMATE REALITY and beyond"

Is there such a "beyond" the Ultimate reality? Does not the word: ULTIMATE mean that nothing is "beyond" or "more ULTIMATE" than IT?

You say: "It is up to us only to use our discrimination and decide whether that person who declares himself as Master really deserves our attention or not. Another thing is we too experience such forgetful condition when we are near such realized personalities and that is the real proof about their condition."

How can one use "discrimination", without using the "brain" and not simply being "obedient" as the GURU culture demands? It seems that one has to "not be obedient" and ready to use the BRAIN, and not the Heart, which is the body's pump for blood, before one can truly "discriminate".

Then if one is in a "forgetful condition" when in the proximity of such "realized personalities", then one can't discriminate about them at all... One has to be able to "remember" so as to formulate a "thought" of any depth, that is not driven simply by a "emotional desire" or bodily "need" or necessity.

I don't doubt your experience but by what you say, it is very "subjective" and you seem to have "accepted" Mr Roa as your Master so you have a different experience of him than I, who have only read some of his material on the blog of his disciples. I have to discriminate from his "intellect", logic, words, etc... as I am not in his presence and can't experience his "energy". I will simply take your word for Mr. Rao's spirituality or psychic energy level.

Thank you for sharing your experience....

Cyril Borg

Shashwat

Dear jogarao,

Welcome to our orkut web-community, incorporated to exchange free and independent views about sahaj marg in general and shree ram chandra mission (california based) in specific.

it is imperative to know what are the views of some of the main contributors here, as it will give a fair bit of idea of what we are discussing.

You have stated The simplicity with which Lalaji and Babuji propagated this system of pranahuthi aided Raja yoga meditation

Probably you missed to get the essence of the topic we are discussing here, we are trying to come to a logical conclusion for the statement made in SRCM (california) website that lalaji appointed babuji as his representative.

We do not have much idea about functioning of lalaji and his acts, because there are various contradictory statements made by numerous groups claiming linage from lalaji, all of them however say that lalaji discovered the "pranahuti" some call it transmission, some call it transmission linked meditation and some call it a sufi practice, most strangely Chari's group call it "modified version of raja yoga".

Nomenclature of lalaji's concept is not the topic of discussion, but did Lalaji appointed babuji as his representative is the question here.

All the groups associated with sahaj marg of Ramchandra (Babuji) sing in single voice that babuji had a dream in 1945, in which he was asked by lalaji to start sahaj marg.

We doubt the validity of this claim. It is perfectly OK to have a dream and register sahaj marg based on that dream, but illusion must not be presented as fact, a dream is a dream.... we all have dreams everyday and many of us, follow our dreams as well, but we make clear distinction in between a dream and reality (of the senses we live in). Making a claim which is out of this world MUST be stated as such.

Illusion should be clearly stated as illusion and any attempt to present illusion as reality for mass consumption is a dis-honest approach.

jogarao

Dear Brothers,
I think I must make my point more clear. Babuji never claimed that he was appointed as the representative of Lalaji , rather he quoted Lalaji as His Master and the transmission comes directly from Lalaji alone. What happened later was In memory of His Master he founded Ramchandra mission and he was the founder president to carry on the work entrusted to him by Lalaji. Babuji preferred himself to be treated as servant to all abhyasis and used to appeal to take his service for their progress. He treated every abhyasi as his brother and expected similar response but never claimed as master.If anybody happen to read his biography he used to eagerly await abhyasis to 'try' the practice at least for three months and continue only if found satisfied.So far as my understanding goes Transmission comes from the ultmate source if the tranmitter is tuned up totally with the source and any deviation from it will have adverse effects on the receiver.
Babuji himself advised all abhyasis to follow His Master and never talked about his Master hood.It is the abhyasis who treated as such in the physical absence of Lalaji. Even myself, I never treated any one as Master but sincerely followed senior brothers who clarified most of my doubts about this system and only after I was satisfied I took this practise seriously but I must admit that I still feel that I am a new entrant even today. That is the freshness of this dynamic system.
Bro.Raghavendra Rao suggested that one should try to adhere oneself to the ten commandments and the rest follows automatically. we need to analyze our daily routine life and correct ourselves without any external support and judge our progress by ourselves which will come to our cognizance once we cross that stage and thus we ourselves can understand where we stand in our sadhana.
more in my next post

Shashwat

"Babuji never claimed that he was appointed as the representative of Lalaji"

Well this is a contradictory statement from what is made publicly by Chari clan, here is what they have stated in their website:-

On August 14, 1931, Lalaji passed away, leaving Babuji to continue his work for the upliftment of humankind.

and

On June 3, 1922, Babuji first met his Master (Lalaji), a man with the same name as himself, who lived in the town of Fatehgarh not far from Shahjahanpur. Lalaji recognized Babuji as the man who had appeared to him in a dream years before, the one who was destined to succeed him as the leader of a great spiritual renaissance.

This is very strange when we have similar claims like the one i have posted in first post

"His most beloved disciple Rev. Dr. Srikrishan LaUi Maharaj was proclaimed as saint vested with full spiritual powers by Rev. Lala ji Maharaj in his life time itself, who continued the mission of his Master from 1931 onwards from his Ramashram located at Sikandarabad (UP.)"

Now why should one claim be accepted and other rejected? because at max only one of these claims can be true!! so who is the impostor here???

If we analysis both the claims, one states that lalaji appointed Dr. Srikrishan LaUi Maharaj as his representative during his lifetime, and other claims that in the very first meeting lalaji appointed babuji as his representative, but babuji got the dream 13 years after lalaji's death..

Dr. Srikrishan LaUi Maharaj's claims seems more logical and real, we can go on a live in our dreams and each and everyone of us can claim to have certain dream and go on fighting court battles based on our dreams.... this is exactly what is happening in sahaj marg today!

Well is this spiritual? I doubt it.

Hence we can attempt to study method of babuji independently and isolating it from any association from lalaji. This approach will be more logical and we can come to an agreement if we decide to accept the glaring reality in front of us.

Lalaji did not appointed Babuji as his successor, it was simply an illusion on part of babuji to claim that he is propagating lalaji's teaching exclusively.

If lalaji had appointed someone else what is the need for him to appear in dream of babuji and make statement which would contradict his real life acts??

At this point i do not wish to discuss validity of sahaj marg as a system, we will come to it in some time, but as of now, we need to close this discussion (after reaching a conclusion) that lalaji as he is known to the world has got nothing to do with the practice of sahaj marg.

There is no harm in giving credit of sahja marg to lalaji, but it must be stated that it is a claim which cannot be proved and cannot be accepted in any discussion. This fact is important to be exposed because Chari makes absurd statements based on this assumption like "it is an order from lalaji that abhyasis should marry each other".

How can lalaji order such a thing when he was not at all related to concept of sahaj marg itself?

A story from mahabharat is quite valid here, the story of Eklavya, who practiced archery by making an idol of Dronacharya, there is nothing wrong, but his objectives were quite clear, story also marks a clear distinction between reality and illusion, Eklavya paid a heavy price for his illusion, by loosing all that he gained by his own effort but crediting it to his imagination.

This is what has happened. Lalaji in all probability was unaware of any such person named Ramchandra of Shahjahanpur. Lalaji being a spiritual person and associated with a particular school of thought (Sufism) must be meeting with thousands of people. Babuji was just one of them.

What about honesty?

jogarao

Dear Brothers,

Babuji by his example has shown how a devoted abhyasi has to behave and exhorted others to taste the nectar of spiritual growth by by emulating his example and used to declare that he takes poison but give nectar instead when questioned about his Hukka smoking habit. I wondered why such an elevated personality got addicted to Hukka. Later I learnt that it was to bring him down to amidst us since most of the time he was in that super conscious state making him totally silent and practically living dead condition.His endless struggle to spread the message of his master to pining masses made him ignorant of the fact that promoting chari as general secretary will help him to spread His Master's message to west and Europe and that was the beginning of chari's getting prominence among other abhyasis.

Babuji never suspected that his own follower by way of his misdeeds bring down the glorious image of this Mission with the same speed with which he established his own regime taking advantage of the physical absence of both the personalities and silent following of gullible abhyasis.

But nature will take its own course to set the matters right and now the result is obvious.The need of the hour is to wake up all those who are still under the spell of chari and invite them with open heart to get back to the serious sadhana brushing away the past and hope for a better future.

There is no point in brooding over the ugly past but our attention should be on the present to prevent further deterioration in future. Every earnest seeker of spirituality is expected to keep vigilant always to avoid exploitation by vested interests.God is great and I am sure that his benevolent grace will be showered on all those who are true, honest and sincere followers of spiritual path and weed out the unwanted with due punishment.Our attention should be on the process for progress but not on individuals since the thought itself separates us from our main goal of life.

Shashwat

We are not denying the possibility that babuji might have experienced something supernatural, we are yet to discuss and come to a conclusion about it, but in my opinion what is pretty clear by now, is lalaji was babuji's guru in similar manner as Dronacharya was Eklavya's guru "imaginary".

Now if babuji has credited all his achievements to lalaji, that's his view, and should be accept like that only, "In babuji's view, lalaji was his guru" but lalaji in reality appointed someone else as his representative.

By accepting this fact we are not diminishing acts of babuji, all we are doing is making the air more clear. Lalaji's association with sahaj marg is hypothetical, and hence claims made by chari like "Order from lalaji that abhyasis should marry each other" should be thrown in the dustbin, and he must be prosecuted for making such an statement which is an absolute insult to our common sense.

Stupidity is not spirituality. there has to be some trace of logic behind enlightenment, a person making claims that he is talking to ghosts is best referred to as a madman, and not an enlighten person, selling messages from ghosts claiming that these messages are from brighter world is "rape of intelligence". Why would a person like babuji hate his own children? why would babuji send messages from brighter world to those people who have brutally exploited female members of babuji's family?

We are humans because we can think, and it has been proven by the history and various religions that to reach God, we must be human first, and this is the logic behind various "Avtar's" of Lord Vishnu.

If we drop our intelligence, if we drop our thinking capacity, if we drop our logic, how are we different from an obedient dog? even dogs can think rationally, if their master orders him to jump in fire, he won't as he understands that such an act will cause him harm, if you beat your pet, he will try to save himself.

We need to be human to be enlighten. and to be human we have no other option but to think.

cyril

It seems that those who follow Babuji and now Chari do not want to address the claim that Lalaji was used to give credibility to Babuji' s Mission. He could have joined the "representative" of Lalaji if he wanted to "serve" and be "obedient" to Lalaji. It seems to show a lack of respect for Lalaji that he simply formed his own group and place Lalaji as the "Master" and "inventor" of his system. To say that Lalaji "inspired" him is correct but from there the claims of "successorship" are a little "stretched".

I have many wise persons who have inspired me in my life, but I don't claim that they are responsible for the systems I create in the future. And if I was to follow their teachings and their METHOD, I would learn from his "stated" successor and representative and not present myself as a "successor" or a "representative" of my MASTER from a "dream" message... That is also a stretch..

The "that's the past" claim is what all autocrats and their "disciples" want to scream, but the past is still being "proselytized" by Chari and his gang, as if it is still the TRUTH and that they are part of LALAJI's Lineage... So it is not the "PAST" but it is the PRESENT that we can FIX... IT is the only thing we can FIX.

What Babuji did was his business, and his spirituality is his affair with the ONE ... If any want to follow Babuji, that is one thing... If they claim Lalaji as their LINEAGE, that seems to be a LIE as Lalaji has a ligitimate lineage with documents to prove it. Sahaj Marg and SRCM do not have such documentation...

I pray that all adherents to Sahaj marg have not fallen into "forgetfulness" and hence have given up the ability to be "discriminating" and logical. That Brain is also a GIFT from the ONE that we did not deserve but is ours by GRACE.

Let us use our GIFT of THINKING, without FEAR!!

Cyril Borg...

jogarao

Dear Brothers,
It is clear to me now that your opinion of sahajmarg was entirely on the basis of your experience in chari group. I only wonder how was it possible for you to bear this agony and harassment for such a long time?
My experience was no doubt chari could create a good impression on people in the beginning but seekers with real craving for spiritual experience will immediately get averse from such situations and people and as far as my personal experience I too got attracted to his person after reading his book titled My Master but after meeting him in person i did not feel anything and never tried to meet him again.
What I am trying to state is that you will normally guided by your impressions to form opinions but you can change them according to your experience till you develop discrimination to avoid unpleasant situations and people so that we will not be effected in any ways.
I feel that just like a hungry man we search for spiritual solution and some times land up with some smart fellow who hoodwinks us into his trap and before we realise we fall a prey to his tricks.it is not his greatness but our foolishness to accept such fellows as Gurus, Masters, Or guides. We need to thoroughly cross check his credentials before we submit ourselves just like inquiry about a Doctor before consultation.
Before I started this practice I had to search for a true guide for 25 years and try more than ten different systems.Only after I was fully satisfied that this is the most suitable procedure when compared to other practices and thoroughly satisfied myself about this system I developed faith and confidence in Babuji's system.

cyril

Hi Jogarao...

I too believe in "meditation" and in "prayer" and can plainly see that they are not the "property" of any person even Babuji who was never my Master but a "friend" as you are on my JOURNEY...

This being said, I live in constant "contact" with the ONE and the SPIRIT in IT'S Creation and hence I don't have to "remember" constantly any one PERSON, Personality, Image, SOUND, but can live in the MOMENT with the SPIRIT that is ALWAYS THERE where I live...

However, since the "manipulators" came to my "PERFECT UNIVERSE", I must deal with them and shine the LIGHT of REASON on the experience they had on my "partner"( another friend) and could have on my friends, family, society, UNIVERSE, etc...

I then leave My one(me) in ONE, and my one (I) in ALL all the time and in all the SPACE of MULTI-dimensions and deal with "SHINING THE LIGHT of REASON" here in this VIRTUAL space of 0 and 1 or "switch-on" and/or "switch-off". That I do so as to alert my fellow "sojourners" who could now be in peril and the manipulators go into 'spiritualism" and the chanelling of the spirits of the DEAD... Other religions that have tried to fool with that before our "mental health" establishment, started to create "encyclopedias" of demons or "demonology"...

Baal is one such GOD/DEMON that means Master in one culture but Demon in the surrounding cultures. When the Master become the Political Power, there is "corruption" and the surrounding cultures are invaded anused for "money", labour, volunteerism, slavery, or just raw POWER to invade and operate in another culture, and not adhering to the laws of those states regarding our societal evolution over the centuries as we challenged the POWER of the DUALITY of STATE/RELIGION. .... con't

One example is "homosexuality"... They are protected in our secular legislation and our "charitable" and "tax-exempt" status is hinged on adhering to our "liberalism" toward the rights of "homosexuals". That is higher that the standards of the Master of SRCM and must be exposed and "opposed" until it is either recanted and recalled or the "tax-exempt" status under the umbrella of "Charity" is removed for this organization and this person. Directors in our "non-profit" societies are "accountable" for their words and actions. That should hold for other "nationals" who do business in our "nation". Even RELIGION and SPIRITUAL GROUPS are not immune to that FREEDOM anymore. The Media (us... the bloggers) are insisting that our "servants" address that "injustice" perpetrated by RELIGIOUS autocrats NOW...and YES, WE CAN!! We have the Shashwats of the world with their "techno skills"... WE can decide on the ISSUES in "initiatives" and vote on the issues "online" in "dynamic" (on-going) processes.

That is the new "economy" which must include the "virtual" world of technology as a repository of our "economies" which originate as a negative or a "minus" -3, -2, -1, 0, +1,+3,+3,+4,+5,+6,+7,+ for an octave (spectrum of light and sound).

I understand that we, the older generation, can't live in the house of tomorrow, but we can empower the "youth" and the next generation to use their skills to create a BETTER and not so "DIVISIVE" world that the SPIRITUALITY of SAHAJ MARG has created in my WORLD and my LIFE.

Now I will expose it until it changes... not me, but Shashwat, my sons, and other "adherents" to a philosophy of LOGIC and INTELLECT as a complement to FAITH, and BELIEF... and not in OPPOSITION or DIVIDING with such RELIGIO/SPIRITUALISM or "pseudo-spirituality".... Shashwat's and my life were 'negatively" impacted by Sahaj marg and its creation, specially Chari but not just Chari... Babuji has some "explaining to do, but he is humble so we'll believe his "good intention"... we already do... cont'

Before I started this process, I communicated often with Babuji to check his "feeling"... and it was always a smile... I also checked with other deceased members Sahaj mag when Chari became "BOSS", and they also "SMILED"... So I thanked them and now I just ask NATURE and the ONE... and until I get a different approach from SRCM that they will UNITE and stop the BS, then I WILL POINT AT THEM and their ACTIONS and their WORDS, so the rest of the SEEKERS will not be "ENDANGERED" by the dangeous games of "neophytes" in the SPIRITUALITY games...

We are all attached to our EMOTIONS and to our INTELLECT and to vilify the one that makes us "moral" and sensible" is not a "GOOD IDEA"... And it is not the HEART...
Our secular laws are loftier that the "developer's", no tomorrow, attitude that our children don't swallow any more... The "END OF THE WORLD" does the same for them that "THE BOMB" did for us... it stresses us and we become "rebels" or we become "ruthless" and "profiteers" and "egotistical"... If we can't be rich, we'll become famous, and why not the MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE... Developers playing at RELIGION and not being too careful of the "environment" and the "psyche" of others, let alone the silly SPIRITUALISM.... Where is HOUDINI to debunk these Charlatans?

Thanks for reading it.... You're crazier than me... I just write this stuff... I never read it... lol ;-)) I am Acadian and we "joke" You gotta laugh, b'cause It AIN'T funny...

NOW I'll go talk to the flowers and my dog... and you will be "indoors, in your "mind" or "virtual" space, and I will be in contact with the SPIRIT of FLOWER and DOG and NATURE...STARS, GALAXIES, etc...UNIVERSE, ONE...ZERO.... MINUS ONE... Wow..What an '"achievement".... And I never saw my NAVEL once... or my "heart"...or my MIND... Or MY SPIRIT but the ONE....and the ZERO...and the MINUS ONE...

Yes we can...

AMEN...

Cyril Borg...

jogarao

Dear Brother,
I could understand your objective very clearly.Yes! It is the responsibilty of every sane person to ascertain whether he is on the right track or there is any curvature .

I feel sorry for the plight of those who fell into the hands of unscrupulous fellows and wriggling to get out of their influence. But one need not continue to suffer any more the moment they realise that they are being exploited because of their innoscence.Let them take a bold step and come out of their clutches if they feel suffocated as a result.

The purpose of this practice is to get rid of all complexities and become transparent and fearless to anything that interferes with self and keep the final objective of returning back to orignality which is simple, pure and perfect. our personal experience itself hints at that condition to reach. One needs to be selfish to the extent of his practice and be careful about any exploitation in the name of Master or Guru and immediately dis connect himself to avoid further exploitation.

May god bless all those who crave such freedom ,and grace them with all necessary strength,and health till they achiebve their objective

Shashwat

The purpose of this practice is to get rid of all complexities and become transparent and fearless to anything that interferes with self and keep the final objective of returning back to orignality which is simple, pure and perfect

We are yet to discuss the practice, as of now, in this thread, we are discussing how in the world Ram Chandra Saxena is related to Lalaji???

Dear Jagorao, you have not yet replied to this question which we are trying to find an answer.....

Practice can be good or bad, we have discussed this before and will discuss it again and again and again till our logic is not satisfied. because you propagate this practice, hence you are responsible and answerable to society at large, we all are if we decide to get public with our views...

more or less we have reached this conclusion that babuji was not directly related to lalaji, but made up this story and "imagined" that he is representative of lalaji... if this is true then we can move to the next aspect which is practice.

Lets gather enough courage to face the truth, we all have at some point in our life encountered a poem by Rudyard kipling "IF"

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;

........
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

This is the attitude we need to have when we seek the truth.

Dear jagorao, are you at the age of 63 yrs and a life long association with sahaj marg, imagining transmission from babuji, willing to risk this association and accept the truth that babuji "made up" his association with lalaji and at best was a madman?

If you can may be you can realize the truth and it will help you a long way in reaching the goal which was in your mind when you took this path of sahaj marg, start over again, forget sahaj marg, seek the truth do not imagine truth.

Feb 12

cyril

I would say that the goal of SRCM to "remove complexities" has not been reached as the complexities in the Lalaji to Babuji LINEAGE is very COMPLEX and seems to lack in "honesty" and honour...

To claim to represent someone who has two organization already, Ramashram, and Naqshbandiyaa (NaqshMuMRa), from a dream is not very "removing complexities" from LIFE of the adherents but is "complicating" their existence.

I believe that Babuji seemed humble and we can forgive him a lot because of this appearance of humility from there to claim that this person can save on or erase one's samskaras is stretching credibility. But all are FREE to do whatever they want to ...

But in a conversation such as this, one has to make sense, be logical and stick to the subject at hand and not forever repeat the same "company line" about the MASTER, the METHOD and the MISSION, ignoring the founder's actions, , his foundation and the philosophy and the words that are spoken to lure others to this crumbling and divided structure.

NO one will save anyone ... If we believed that, then we should then follow someone who says they are a Messiah, a GOD (if there is ONE) or at the very least, the SON of this GOD and not simple a "SPECIAL PERSONALITY" or a MASTER ... or a GURU. One follows a guru to learn his skill or art. Removing complexities is not something that Ram Chandra is or his organization, and/or Chari are " MASTERS" at.

We just want to conclude that Babuji did not follow the RAmashram of Dr. Chatterbhuj or the NaqshMuMra for "political" reasons. Islam? Sufi? Not Hindu enough? There are no other reasons... specially that they try to make it a "Raja Yoga" rather than a SUFI path... And then to deny the Sufi path of Lalaji is almost a "complex" insult to Lalaji and his lineage.

Cyril Borg....

jogarao

//Dear jagorao, are you at the age of 63 yrs and a life long association with sahaj marg, imagining transmission from babuji, willing to risk this association and accept the truth that babuji "made up" his association with lalaji and at best was a madman?

If you can may be you can realize the truth and it will help you a long way in reaching the goal which was in your mind when you took this path of sahaj marg, start over again, forget sahaj marg, seek the truth do not imagine truth. //

Well dear brother,
My experience so far made me to conclude that Iam On right path but Iam not able to do justice to my practice because I feel contented with my progress so far.Yes! Even Swami Ramakrishna pramahamsa was misunderstood as mad man by people but only Swami Vivekanand could catch up with the spiritual greatness of Ramakrishna pramamahamsa and the rest is known to all .Spritual practice is such a method in which one need to taste the condition and then he practically becomes mad after that experience and hence appear so. Even the preceptor who introduced me to this system of practice appeared to me as a mad man in the beginning but after my close association with him I realised his capability as a preceptor.
He was a pracicing Doctor(Eye specialist) and he nerrated this following incident.
Once in 1965 he happend to see the photo of babuji and being an eye specialist he realised immediately that Babuji is really a spiritual oriented person and he can be trusted.What he saw in that photo is the eye balls were in the etreme opposit corners of the eyes . This kind of vision is normally seen either in a dead person or a highly spiritually elevated person .Babuji used to be in that living dead condition and I could visualise that condition only after my encounter with this doctor who really helped me to understand this system during my association with him for 5 years till his end in 1995.This is not only my experience alone but every one who entered this practice under his guidance as preceptor. (to be contd)

jogarao

It is not imagination but real experience and I have no regrets about it. What more evidence you need that such a good number of followers of this system through Babuji have sacrificed their lives to spread this system among scores of common people like me and how can I be a silent spectator when some vested interests are exploiting serious seekers like you?

No doubt that the simplicity of this system of practice itself is the veil on its reality as most of us are accustomed to complicated situations but never exposed to simple realities like simple living and high thinking which is the basic quality of a true human being and are we fit enough to be termed asHuman beings in that sense? Babuji said we try to pick a pin on the ground using a crane, instead of our own hands and act likewise when confronted with problems of life and living.

Our complicated thinking made us to suspect any strange experience with the result that we suspect first and believe in any thing only with experience otherwise and drag on it till we lose patience and feel frustrated.

We need to live like a swan which floats in the water but will not bear even a drop on its body once come out of the water. we have to learn to live on daily basis concerned with the present without brooding over bitter past or dreaming about un ripe future.We can do anythinhg now only for it is in our hands as otherwise we lose this opportunity for life once this moment is gone into the oblivion.My sincere suggestion if you care to follow is continue your search for right guru for you leaving behind unpleasant situations and people for nature to take its own course on them and be selfish to gain that rare spiritual experience but caution those who are still wriggling with suffocation to lead a life full of peace, calmness and tranqulity.Since Iam benefitted much with this system , I feel that as many people as possible get benefitted so that we can form into a community above religion, caste or colour for a society with equality and unity as its base.

Shashwat

Giving credit is one thing, which is acceptable and something honorable as well, but claiming "exclusive" successor-ship is a fraud.

We have a letter from Ram chandra saxena, published by family members of lalaji which states that babuji modified the system proposed by lalaji, to make it more politically correct, if we take the letter from babuji in 1963, claims of other linage's of lalaji and babuji's own admission, we can safely conclude that:-

Ramchandra Saxena alias "babuji" was not an appointed representative of lalaji, but was one of his admirer's

This will then seal the position of Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari as a liar, manipulator, cunning beast, disguised as human, for the statement he made

Lalaji Maharaj, whose birth anniversary we are celebrating today has ordained–it was not merely an expression of his wishes–has ordained that abhyasis should marry amongst each other

http: //www. srcm. org/literature/recent. speeches/070202_Tiruppur. jsp

How can lalaji order such a thing? is this not fooling people? how many marriages were arranged by Ramchandra Saxena? because it was him who use to communicate with lalaji "in his dreams".

Given the fact that we know, from babuji himself, that he did not meet lalaji more then 2-3 times, it is insane to assume that lalaji appointed him as his representative, babuji claims so, or accepted lalaji as his Guru is another thing, and has no logical value. Anyone can claim anything, and we all are free to interpret it according to our own understanding. But such claims should be presented as they are... it is again insane to assume that lalaji ordered babuji to modify his method and make it more "politically correct", if this was lalaji's intention, he would have done it himself.

So i hope we have agreed to this that lalaji was not babuji's guru, but it was babuji who assumed this.

We can move to next topic, if this is agreeable to everyone in this forum.

We will discuss the points raised by you in the thread you have started, points i am interested in, which you have raised are:-

1. My experience so far made me to conclude that Iam On right path

2. Even Swami Ramakrishna pramahamsa was misunderstood as mad man by people

3. 1965 he happend to see the photo of babuji and being an eye specialist he realised immediately that Babuji is really a spiritual oriented person

4. What more evidence you need that such a good number of followers of this system

5. No doubt that the simplicity of this system of practice itself is the veil on its reality

6. Babuji said we try to pick a pin on the ground using a crane, instead of our own hands and act likewise when confronted with problems of life and living.

7. My sincere suggestion if you care to follow is continue your search for right guru for you leaving behind unpleasant situations and people for nature to take its own course on them

I broadly agree with rest of your statement, these points which i have pointed out are of spacial interest to me, and am looking forward to discuss these aspects with you, and allow me to clarify as why i want to keep these discussion in separate threads.

It is for three reasons:-

1. Readability gets lot easier and any person who is reading this thread is not tossed off topic, and can come to the conclusion regarding the topic we are discussing.

2. All these discussion will be published again on internet in form of pdf so that those who are not on orkut also get a change to read the particular topic without breaks and need to refer to different topic off orkut.

3. These discussion will form a large database of information regarding the topics we are discussing for those who are seeking information.

We have a confirmation from Kasturi Chaturvedi, wherein people associated with her have accepted that lalaji is not at all related to babuji and his sahaj marg, this is what we have been saying for quite some time, we were able to demonstrate the same with evidence, it is good to see that there are some people who are still somewhat honest, and accept the faults done by others and agree that which is evident and do not block their thinking in mindless obsession of associating lalaji with sahaj marg, just because a jerk claims that it is an order from lalaji that members of his cult must marry each other!!

here is what panditji a close associate and de-facto public relation officer of kasturi chaturvedi has to say about lalaji's association with sahaj marg.

also few more thing i would like to tell
Sri Ram chandra's mission is babuji's mission and started by babuji not by lalaji, lalaji had sant mat which is still there in fatehgarh ..

Now the same question arises again, people following babuji say it clearly that lalaji is not associated with sahaj marg, chari say's that it is an order from lalaji that abhyasis should marry each other!!

When lalaji is not associated with what Chari is propagating, how come they follow orders from lalaji and those who are directly propagating teachings of lalaji, have no clue as when this order was made!!

This makes it clear enough that Chari is a cunning manipulator who does not hesitate to fool people, lies are on his tong, if he opens his mouth, he will speak lie.

Alas there are people who believe that such a person is spiritual, is calling Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari as spiritual not an insult to this term, spiritual??

It is very important that we all should know that Chari is fooling people in name of spirituality, his deeds and lies must be exposed and presented to public for scrutiny.

I urge people to open their minds and see deeds as they are, and not with a closed mind, which only listens to voice of their master.

panditji comments can be found here http: // kasturibhenji. blogspot. com , check the comment section, comment number 159.

Additional comments about the same topic but made elsewhere

Shashwat said (here) :

Elodie,

If we have to find the truth of SRCM, we will have to focus on 1945, when SRCM was formulated.

This area of history is somewhat clear as not much contradictory statements are made by any of clans, they all say "Lalaji appointed babuji as his representative" is this is the truth?

Answer is clearly NO Lalaji did not appointed babuji as his successor. babuji had a dream, and appointed himself as lalaji's representative..

Wrong starts from there, SRCM and sahaj marg is based on this lie.. how can SRCM and sahaj marg lead to truth when it is based on a lie??

We need not explore what happened in 1982-83 as only lies and manipulation happened at that time, and it happened because sahaj marg was based in these very lies and manipulation.

Concept of sahaj marg is fundamentally wrong, we will see more such segmentation of SRCM in near future and then the future victims of sahaj marg will analyze what happened in 2011-12 (say!!). Such analysis will not lead to truth, if we have to find the truth of sahaj marg we will have to analyze the roots of sahaj marg.

And my analysis indicates, its illusion, hallucination, mental diseases, madness and psychological illness which are the foundation of Sahaj marg, and this analysis is supported by what is evident clearly today, the outcome of sahaj marg, madness, mental illness and hallucination.

Here is the proof of what i say:-

mental diseases Hallucination, madness and psychological illness

Leaving Sahaj Marg.

2009-02-15T23:07:00.000+05:30

Most of the people who are trapped in this cult of Sahaj marg, feel helpless when they realize that they have been deceived, this is because brainwashing and mind control of Shree Ram Chandra Mission is based purely on emotional manipulation.

To understand the psychology of a man trapped in this cult of sahaj marg, we can take an example, as an analogy we can take example of a marriage, consider the condition of a man, who is deeply in love with his wife, and his wife, apparently shows him love and commitment towards the relation, but later the man finds out that his wife has been the biggest cheat and manipulator that he has ever known, the man come’s to know that his wife has not only cheated him, but she developed the relation with him, keeping a particular aim in sight, and used him for many years before he finally came to know the truth!!!

The situation of the man, as explained above is the situation faced by the members of sahaj marg, when they realize that they have been deceived, manipulated and cheated, they feel deeply hurted, but because of their emotional attachment, and dependency on preceptor and transmission, they are neither able to leave sahaj marg, nor able to continue with it.

People with any kind of addiction like cigarette, drinking, or drugs, have already experienced the consequences of addiction. Such kind of people know very well, that smoking is causing them harm, drinking is causing them harm, but they feel helpless in front of their desires, and they are enslaved by these addiction and finally if they are not able to conquer their addiction problem, these addictions eventually eats them up!!

Same is true with addiction of transmission, infect any kind of addiction is very harmful for psychological health, and plays an important role in weakening the will power of the victim

Depending on the level of attachment, some people are able to leave and become normal sooner than others who find it hard to realize a life without sahaj marg.

I will cite an living example for this, take the case of debashis,, who has recently left Chari group, but is still looking for some kind of help in order to get out from the trap of sahaj marg, his post is published in messages section of blog about Kasturi Chaturvedi.

Dear Brother,
I am an abhyasi currently located in Singapore. I have been practising Sahaj Marg since 1993. We used to have a very knowledgable preceptor named Brother Bala who was appointed a preceptor by Babuji in 1977 and I used to practice under his guidance. Unfortunately, brother Bala passed away in 2007 and since then we have been quite disillusioned by the new management. I feel that we are moving far away from spirituality and becoming a commercial organization.
I protested against the state of affairs and was ostracised and harassed in several ways. Since then I have stopped going to the Satsanghs.

There are several interested seekers here who are looking for guidance…. We donot have any good preceptors after Brother Bala to guide us. There are some abhyasis who have practised for over 10 years and decided to discontinue the practice because of the new management. Could you please discuss this situation with Sister Kasturi and let us know how to pursue our spiritual journey? Since we are physically far away, is it possible to give us a distance sitting or appoint a preceptor in Singapore who can guide us?
Regards,
Debashis
February 11, 2009 10:38:00 AM PST

By the statement of Debashis above, it seems that he has realized that sahaj marg is causing trouble, he understands that any further association with sahaj marg will cause problems but instead of letting off the source of problem, he is unable to leave and get out from the trap of Sahaj Marg, he still hopes that something good can come out from sahaj marg.

What is clearly visible here is, that Debashis has been made completely dependent on transmission, and he is willing to imagine transmission. He is addicted to transmission, and will feel uneasy if he does not get a dose of transmission, and these people call this addiction, SPIRITUALITY!! In reality however, this is what is called "the emotional dependency", once this dependency is achieved, subsequently the victim is manipulated, used and abused, SRCM uses its victims for making money, offers them gateway to God by selling them books costing more than 250 Euro's, SRCM also uses its victim for "free labor", they call it "voluntary service to the mission". This voluntary service is used during functions like celebration of Chari's birthday, threatening those peoples who are against sahaj marg, victims are brainwashed and are also used as construction laborer's for building ashrams for SRCM and also in construction of homes for Chari and his son P. Krishna. Recently during floods in India, humans following philosophy of Sahaj Marg to realize God, were used as free laborer's to reconstruct Sahaj marg's damaged base in south India.

Freedom from Sahaj Marg means freedom from this addiction of transmission, freedom from manipulation, freedom from constant pressure, anxiety, frustration, and fear, it also means absolute independence, and regaining of self respect and sense of honor, which is suppressed for good reasons in sahaj marg.

If a system can produce a person like Parathsarthi Rajagopalachari, we can guess the depth at which sahaj marg degrades humas, the level to which this system can harm and degrade a human, can be understood by understanding the scale at which Parathasarthi Rajagopalachari manipulates people.

Friends, it is possible to bring down this tall tower of lies, it is possible to liberate the members who are trapped in sahaj marg and find it hard to come out and start over again, It is possible for them to become normal and become happy again, leaving wounds of sahaj marg behind as a bad dream, it is true that emotional manipulation and addiction of sahaj marg is hard to wipe out, but it is only that, just hard, but not impossible, each and every one of us, is capable of understanding the simple logic, that God is not slave of criminals.

We all should know that the very concept of God sending messengers to be known and worshiped is absurd. All those who come pretending to bring a message from an invisible god that only they can see are charlatans and their claims are bogus.. The moment we understand this, fall of cults will begin, there cannot be any representative of God, nor anyone can transmit divinity, spirituality is knowledge of God, which is to be learned and discovered by our own unique way, for living in this world, each society has its own rules and we should follow the rules of the society we live in.

Before I advice you on how to leave sahaj marg, you should keep in mind that you will face resistance from those who are still brainwashed and are trapped in Chari’s “mayajaal”, you should be ready to get ostracized, called deaf, dumb and blind, threatened and even begged, cursed and prayed at to come to your senses. But once you are determined to get to the bottom of your predicament, it will become lot easier to overcome the control applied by Chari’s SRCM, and you can live a life of freedom, free from all manipulation and there will not be any need to deny inner voice and feel trapped in illogical and manipulative environment, moment of freedom is not far, all it takes is will power, and inner self reliance, need to listen to logic, and make the jump out from trap of sahaj marg.

To leave Sahaj marg, one should start with apathy; there is no need to announce your discontinuation, develop apathy towards SRCM, and slowly de-associate yourself from all activities followed by SRCM, the important aspect of recovery is not to create a vacuum of faith, one should replace sahaj marg by his/her original religion or ideology!! replacement is better than total rejection of faith, as total rejection of faith will cause a vacuum which you might not have experienced before, and at the time of emotional turmoil, its better to take help of your tried and tested faith instead of falling in trap of any other similar cult.

Mostly members of SRCM are Hindu’s and Christians, if you are a Hindu, start your daily worship and start chanting vedic mantra’s everyday, in short become a normal hindu again, same holds true with those who are Christians, Religions are not bad per-se, there are many people who are religious and lead a happy life, without getting trapped in these illogical fallacies of brighter world and obedience to a manipulator. All this you need to do without announcing your departure from sahaj marg, you need to keep this departure from sahaj marg to yourself... when the drones of SRCM start asking you questions as why you do not attain their weakly brainwashing session, you simply inform them that you have some other work. Do not announce your freedom till you find yourself emotionally independent from SRCM.

Once you feel you are back home from a bumpy drive of SRCM, and you feel strong enough emotionally and have gained enough knowledge about truth of sahaj marg, declare your freedom, and do not keep what you have gained (freedom from Sahaj Marg) to yourself, but make sure you get your family and loved ones out as well, cite yourself as an example and tell them that going against your religion for a fake cult is stupidity, and what you have gained can be gained by each and every member of SRCM.

Point wise summary for "Guide to freedom from sahaj marg" is as follows:-

Step 1 :-

Develop apathy towards Sahaj Marg.

Note:- Do not feel good or bad about sahaj marg, remind yourself that you have got nothing to do with Sahaj marg. This step has to be internal and you should not tell anyone about this, that you are planning to leave sahaj marg, all you need to do is to remind yourself that you have nothing to do with sahaj marg, (This will help you detoxify yourself from all the poisoning they have done to you)

Step 2 :-

De-associate yourself from all activities of SRCM, e.g stop going to brainwashing session of SRCM like sitting with preceptor, and stop attaining what they call satsangs, immediately. Your preceptor will force you for sitting once he discovers that you have started avoiding it, be careful of these preceptors, they are very dangerous, and are instrumental in keeping you trapped inside this cult.

Note:- This step is very important and is very delicate as well, it can take lot of time, depending on your level of brainwashing and the limit to which they have been able to manipulate your thought process, don't give up this fight, and you will be able to cross the threshold needed, and you will stop feeling the need for transmission or dependency on preceptor. just hold on to yourself and do not fall back to manipulation at the stage when you are fighting the war of independence from sahaj marg.

Even if the preceptor is your relative, resist their pressure, you should know that these people are loyal only to their mission, and for them, family, society and love is a form of distraction, they have only one family and only one love which is their master mission and method. Do not get fooled if your preceptor (who happens to be your relative) forces you to stay connected with SRCM. Tell them freedom is your birth right, and s/he cannot force you to follow something which you do not agree. You can tell them that you are thinking about sahaj marg, and have not reached a conclusion.

Step 3 :-

Come back to your original faith. Get back with rituals of your original faith, like if you are a hindu, start visiting temples instead of sahaj marg ranches, visit church if you are a christian, and alike.

Note:- You should try this step along with Step-2, while you are de-associating yourself from activities of sahaj marg, instead of creating a vacuum replace sahaj marg with your own religion and instead of imagining transmission, take refuge in temple or church as the case may be.

Step 4:-

Once you have gained absolute freedom from SRCM, and do not feel any kind of bondage from SRCM announce your freedom and work towards getting your friends and family out from the traps of sahaj marg.

Note:- This step is most important, because by explaining others you will gain a lot of insight, discussion is very important, but make sure you start explaining harms of sahaj marg only after you have gained absolute emotional freedom from sahaj marg, otherwise you may fall in their emotional trap again. So gain emotional freedom from sahaj marg, and then inform everyone that you have left it, and it is possible for everyone to achieve this freedom.

These steps should work, if you can find a way of your own as how to get rid of sahaj marg trap, feel free to share it with the world.

SRCM is based on manipulation and fooling its members, they use spirituality as a tool to make money, and if people become knowledgeable, if people get enlightened, and realize the fact that SRCM by selling messages from brighter world is simply milking them, Sahaj Marg will fall, and it will be erased from history.

The day of freedom from SRCM is not far, with every single person leaving sahaj marg, the very foundation on which sahaj marg is build (manipulation) is shaken, and with every ex-member joining our voice and starting a blog or helping another victim of sahaj marg come out from emotional manipulation and control of SRCM, foundation of sahaj marg will be broken eventually and soon we will find that number of people getting rid of sahaj marg manipulation gains an exponential growth.

We all are with you; all you need to do is to start. Start with questioning; ask for logic behind costly messages from brighter world, answer to your question should be enough to make you start your journey towards "freedom from Sahaj Marg"

Why bother? Concentrate on your practice.

2009-02-12T18:02:00.000+05:30

When a member of sahaj marg encounters our blogs or gets in touch with something which indicates, that what he is doing is wrong, he convinces himself by saying “I should not bother about these issues, it does not matter to me… I will concentrate on my practice” and by thinking this (from heart)… s/he suppresses his own doubts and does not try to find out if the practice he is doing is causing good effect or is actually deteriorating him to below human standards. As a consequence degrade the societal standard.

This is the basic reason for the emotional and mental weakness demonstrated by members of SRCM, these people are not strong enough to accept the truth that they are being fooled in name of spirituality. They follow sahaj marg thinking that they are following a spiritual system, which is far from truth and when someone makes them realize that sahaj marg is not a spiritual system but a business scheme, just like Amway or any other MLM’s, they prefer to ignore this and try to engross themselves more into the fraud of sahaj marg. We all should know that these zombies are not the culprit but the victim, it is not their default behavior but association with sahaj marg has made them so weak that they have lost all power to face the truth, a person who is afraid of truth cannot become a spiritual person, because spirituality is the art of knowing. nothing but the truth, and when a person gets scared of truth and put their head deep in sand and refuse to acknowledge the glaring reality in front of him, how can that person know the infinite???

Spirituality:-

To get a glimpse of spirituality we need not wonder here and there, all we need to do is to look up…

There are two worlds, the microcosm, and the macrocosm, the internal and the external. We get truth from both of these by means of experience. The truth gathered from internal experience is psychology, metaphysics, and religion; from external experience, the physical sciences. Now a perfect truth should be in harmony with experiences in both these worlds. The microcosm must bear testimony to the macrocosm, and the macrocosm to the microcosm; physical truth must have its counterpart in the internal world, and the internal world must have its verification outside.

External world is visible to everyone, even a child, our universe is waste, and the human race has not been able to find out almost anything about our universe, the cosmos is part of that spirituality which the sages strive for in the past and are doing so now.

We are part of Milky way galaxy, and this galaxy itself is so huge that our sun is like a dust particle as compared to overall size of our galaxy, diameter of our galaxy is 90,000 light years, nearest galaxy is the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy which was discovered in 1994, and there are billions of such galaxies with every possibility that life exists at more places in this infinite universe. Our vision of cosmos is limited in time and not space, there are many dimensions of existence other then what we know currently and knowledge of this infinite is what all souls yarn for…

Sahaj Marg defines spirituality as obedience to Mr Parathasarthi Rajagopalachari, who claims himself to be a representative of God. Do they have any idea as what God could be? The galaxy shown above, and billions of such galaxies in our universe are part of that God, Chari and his sahaj marg is limited in brighter world and their spirituality is defined by how obedient a person can become to Mr Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari... God is not human and as such there cannot be any human representative of God, because if there is a human God there has to be a dog God, a cow God, tree God so on and so forth..

That mind which understand this waste universe and the subtle particles which constitute this universe, is called a spiritual person, Hindus have understood the basic constitutional particle of this universe and have named it "Prana", Patanjali formulated a method to control this "prana" by proposing "Pranayam", patanjali's theory, called Raja Yoga, was tested and verified, and then came people like Parthasarthi Rajagopalachair who utilized the established path and gave their business the name of Raja Yoga and begun fooling people.

According to P. Rajagopalachari,

We have to bypass the brain if you are going to be a spiritual person seriously interested in your evolution. Anything that you subject to your brain for evaluation will only doom you to further slavery. I hope you will take this last warning of mine to heart - put away your head completely.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090202_Satkhol.jsp

Such kind of statements are very dangerous for our society, thinking is an attribute which is limited to humans, and by not thinking, by not using your brain, you are not becoming spiritual but animal like, if you don't use your mind, you are called idiots, and idiots are not spiritual people, uplifting the cause of society, but are a curse for the society and the society has build mental health clinics for such kind of people, who refuse to use their brains and apply basic logic before committing to any act or thought

Mind is that part of human body which has the potential to let us know God, heart is that part of body, which keeps the body running by pumping blood, it is the mind which gives us the discriminative power and power to apply logic, it is mind which can develop faith, heart can be transplanted, mind cannot be, every mind is unique, humans have won over heart and can successfully change a person's heart, a person can live with heart of an animal, it is medically possible, and has been tested, mind has never been replaced, heart can be replaced.

Every spiritual person known in human history is said to have used his/her brain to maximum possible usage, and this usage has not exceeded 5% of its potential, known to humans.

Just imagine what would have happened if people like kepler, Darwin, Krishna, Vivekanada, Buddha etc used their heart insead of their head? or were part of a concept like sahaj marg??? Humanity would have slumped into hell and there would not have been a single person who would have had the capacity to think freely and with his vision transform the nature of humanity!!! And change the direction in which human race moves.

This is the power of knowledge, and knowledge comes through mind, spirituality is gaining this power through knowledge, and obedience to a tainted person cannot bring about this knowledge of spirituality, but will defiantly slump a person in hell, which is made up of constant fear, hallucination, mental diseases, psychological and emotional turmoil’s. A perturbed life defines sahaj marg today, knowledge, truth of existence, courage, logic, and fearlessness are something which members of sahaj marg are told not to bother about, they are told to be simply obedient and follow whatever dictate comes from SRCM working committee, just imagine plight of Lord Rama, or Lord Krishna, or Lord Buddha, if they had followed the concept of sahaj marg and relied on “messages from brighter world” to erase their “samskara”. This is not spirituality my friends, this is foolishness at its best, stupidity streched to its limit, and it is very dangerous because members of srcm are asked not even to think about their development, they are made absolutely obedient in name of spirituality, members of srcm are controlled and manipulated to the point that they loose all contact with world and get into depression and face numerous psychological and emotional problems, spirituality does not induce hallucination and mental diseases, it heals a person from such diseases, sahaj marg is opposite of spirituality and members Must think about their association with this cult.

Sahaj Marg verses civilized society.

If we compare sahaj marg on a scale of benefit to society and humanity we will find that sahaj marg as a concept is the one which is holding back the growth of humanity, sahaj marg, which claims that to know spirituality one must become obedient to a person who has several criminal cases running in various courts, is the culprit for the downfall of those who are/were associated with this concept at any point of time in their life.
Why bother? Why not concentrate on the practice and follow what preceptor is saying?

Because we are answerable, we are responsible, and we are accountable for our actions.
We are answerable, responsible and accountable for our actions because we are part of society, we were born in this society, we have taken social, emotional and financial security from this society and maintaining the law of the land is responsibility of every human.

Those who renounce society, family and all contacts with infrastructure provided by society can claim that they are not answerable, responsible and accountable for this society, but if we are reaping benefit from our social infrastructure we cannot simply run away and refuse to answer for our deeds, which has caused pain to other fellow humans of our society.

We cannot simply follow what is told to us by those who are facing charges by society, spirituality is bonded with responsibility, and each and every member of this society is answerable for his/her deeds at least.

Association with sahaj marg is a questionable act, and those who are members of srcm need to clarify their stand and answer the society as why they should be given social security when they defy all rules of the society.

Breakdown of social norms:-

There has been many cases of divorce directly associated with practice of sahaj marg.
These poor people have suffered the unspeakable pain and undergone unexplainable suffering only because their partners were brainwashed by this cult of sahaj marg. Who is responsible for these suffering? It is very easy for brainwashed members of srcm to blame the victim of sahaj marg by saying that it must have been their fault for divorce, but this is far from truth, one person cannot be wrong 100% they all have blamed sahaj marg for their divorce, and they have provided verifiable proof’s to substantiate their statements, their partners were brainwashed and manipulated by SRCM and they were in a way separated from their family by SRCM because SRCM provided them with alternate family and relatives who were from their own group.

This isolation of the victim and breakdown of marriages in name of obedience and spirituality is an act of crime against society and Sahaj Marg and Shree Ram Chandra Mission is directly responsible for this horror.

They have to answer this and must pay for their deeds against the social justice and social system because SRCM take benefit from our society and cause harm the same society. We as a responsible part of civilized society seek answer and frame responsibility for sufferings of our fellow humans.

Frustration in SRCM (part-2)

2009-02-06T21:44:00.000+05:30

In my previous post i had given the link of SRCM UK balance sheet, which shows that SRCM has spend more money in UK and has made less money in 2008 as compared to 2007. SRCM has approximately 400 members in UK, and has earned GBP 118,330/- whereas in 2007, they were able to make GBP 149,607/- i.e a clear loss of GBP 31,277/-

This loss is not limited in United Kingdom, but SRCM has posted huge loss in almost all countries SRCM is present.

This huge loss explains the reasons for frustration in ranks of SRCM as they are not able to make any money and in order to vent their frustration, they are blaming those who simply oppose the concept of sahaj marg as spiritual method, SRCM is a business house selling sahaj marg, and this is the reason as why they have invented these messages from brighter world which costs over USD 250/- per 600 messages.

Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari claims that the founder of this group Ram Chandra Saxsena aka Babuji, who died in 1983, sends messages to an anonymous french women, these messages are published in form of a book, on a "very good quality" paper, and sold to the members of SRCM.

SRCM has promised that they will publish 3 volumes of these messages last message which will be publish, will be that message, which the anonymous french lady receives (in her dream) on 31st December 2010. This women, (who's identity is kept secret for reasons best known to Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari) gets a message from someone every night in her dream. It is unknown if the french lady knows Hindi or Urdu or English, as Ram Chandra Saxsena spoke only these 3 languages. This secret, underground, hidden and (so called) lady then informs SOMEONE(?), about the dream she had the previous night, her dream (in french) is than translated from french to english, by that SOMEONE, and then it is published.

Last set of 600 messages were sold at $250 or Rs 10,000/- INR, price of new set of messages are not disclosed as yet, but it is said that these messages will be published on a "very good quality" paper, one message in each page, hence it is expected that cost of these messages will be much higher then $250. I will publish the cost of spirituality as soon as i come to know it.

Amazing.... how is it possible that any sane person fall in such a foolish trap and buy anything of this kind which on the very onset of it, establishes itself as a lie...

Much to our surprise, it is possible, and there are people who believe in such kind of things and buy these messages spending hefty sum of money from there pocket, such people are not to be blamed, because they are told, if they give money to SRCM they will become spiritual, here is what Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari is saying while marketing this strange concept of brighter world and associated messages from this strange place:-

One cannot say which message is more important, which is less important, because they are all very important. And I am myself quite amazed when I read the messages of volume two. I have been reading them as they come in to me and they are profound in their implications for our spiritual evolution

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090202_Satkhol.jsp

This is not enough to sell this awkward concept of brighter world, Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari uses fear, intimidation and also pushes greed in the unsuspecting victim of sahaj marg so that they purchase these costly books. Leader of this cult is fully aware that people have smartness handy nowadays, with internet on their fingertips, the moment anyone develops any doubt, they look for an answer on internet to find out if there is someone else who has experienced a similar situation, Chari knows this fact well and he is also aware of blogs and website on internet which are exposing his lies manipulative tactics, this is the reason as why SRCM working committe members themselves have come out in pulic and are asking people to unjoin communities related to SRCM from orkut, this is asked so that nobody uses orkut or any other web-commuity to find out truth of SRCM, if they do so, they will find our commnuity and read us, and the moment anyone reads us, they will develop doubt, and this doubt will eventually lead to clarity and hence freedom from SRCM. (Chari asks his zombies to become absolutely obedient to him)

He says to become spiritual entire universe must become obeditent to him:-

In spirituality we obey for our own benefit. You obey; you benefit. You don't obey; you don't benefit.

Chari is suggesting here that only those who are obedient to him has benefited in entire human history, the greatest help to human kind has been done by the scientists, how many well known scientist like APJ abdul kalam, Einstein, kepler and likes were obedient to Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari??? just compare contribution of scientist to human race and contribution of members of SRCM to human race, it will become crystel clear as how harmful Sahaj Marg has been to humanity at large.

Chari further say's:-
So you see, spirituality is perhaps - why perhaps - is certainly a curse for those who are here because they don't want to give up the joys of this existence. And they say, "What spirituality? What is the hurry? Let me live while life is there, while I am young, while I have the power to enjoy it.

All these gooblygoody talk of spirituality is only to make money, Chari referrers to spirituality only to sell his costly book, cost of which is suppose to counter the loss he has made in his business.

To make money chari further make mockery of spirituality by saying:-

So these important messages which we have reiterated time and again, in our assemblies, in our satsanghs, they are there, you know, in His beautiful, simple language. All requesting, not ordering. It is strange that we don't want to obey a Master who never orders, because we are too much in the tradition of being ordered around by gods, by gurus, by commanders, by captains, by governments. We are too much used to the twin instruments of religion - fear and temptation - so that we come to Sahaj Marg with suspicion based on centuries of bad experience given to us by our culture, by our tradition, by our religion. Do and get; don't and suffer

Spirituality is not at all dependent on any such messages from these invented sources. Chari is instilling fear in his zombies by saying that those who do not obey him will suffer. And remember all this suffering will come if you do not obey his order and his order is BUY THESE MESSAGES FROM BRIGHTER WORLD costing well over 10,000/- INR or $250/-.

Such tactics of making money is very shameful.

There are criminals in our society, there are people who commit fraud, there are people who are very selfish, but none of these kind of rotten part of our society use this type of cunning method, to fool people and milk them of there money, the method used by Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari.

Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari has a message for those who criticize sahaj marg:-

You know you can read anything and criticize. It is easy to criticize especially if you are a fool, because then you have more to criticize, because you know nothing. So those who criticize without reading, without understanding, without any desire for self-improvement, without any intention of carrying out what is written, they are the greatest critics. "No, no this is all rubbish. No, no this has been said over and over again." Yes, you have been drinking milk everyday. You have been earning money everyday. You have been miserable everyday

Is it possible that a fool can criticize anything? Are criticism free from questioning? is it possible that those who are criticizing sahaj marg are not subjected to logical interpretation? Than why to fear criticism? What is there in criticism which will not help eventually?

Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari fears criticism, because he know that those who are criticizing sahaj marg are speaking the truth and he wants to label critics as fools!!

If critics are fools then why are you afraid of fools?? have a look at what Dr. Adtiya Arya is saying to people in orkut...

Dear Brother,

I thank you on behalf of Master for mentioning S.R.C.M. in your profile. I trust that this is done with a purely good intention. However, lately some miscreants have started misusing such mention of S.R.C.M. on the internet. I would request you to edit your profile immediately and remove any mention of S.R.C.M., S.R.C.M. website or of revered Master and unjoin any SRCM community and also ask anyone you might know to do so immediately.

With love and regards,

Dr. Aditya Arya
Preceptor
Member, Working Committee, Shri Ram Chandra Mission
Jt. Commissioner of Police
Rashtrapati Bhawan
New Delhi 110 001
India

Why fear criticism? if your system is true and is a "fool"-proof method, why you should be scared of something like orkut?

This fear of criticism is a proof enough that Sahaj Marg cannot stand in front of logic. If spirituality of sahaj marg makes one feel scared of fools, can such a system lead to truth of existence??? This is the question to be asked.

Your time is over Mr. Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari, now your deeds are visible in full public view, truth will come out as who is a fool!! Those who challenge Sahaj Marg or those who are obedient to a madman.

Who is a fool, those who would buy messages from brighter world, or those who say there is no such place called brighter world, its a creation of chari's cunning mind to make money for himself.

Who is a fool, those who accept messages which are said to be coming from a person who died 27 years ago or those who say it is stupidity to spend money for such fallacy and to become spiritual.

Who is a fool, someone who buys books not because he wants to read it, but because if he doesn't buys that book he will not be spiritual because he is not obedient?

For someone who can think, its pretty obvious who is a fool, I need not name such people in this blog, because this blog is dedicated to foolishness of sahaj marg.

Frustration in SRCM (part-1)

2009-02-05T04:14:00.002+05:30

Recently we have observed that there is growing frustration in high ranks of SRCM, Parthsarthi Rajagopalachari has let loose his pets on those who have question the validity of the system he claims is the only system available in this universe which can unite existence, which means efforts of Swami Vivekanada, Krishna, Ram Krishna Paramhans and likes were useless and only sahaj marg is the true system which can lead to truth.

Here is chari’s obedient abhyasi executing his order

Dr. Aditya Arya who is a serving public servant and a high ranking police official forgot that his responsibility as Jt. Commissioner of police is not to ask people to remove their communities from orkut, but to protect people and uphold the law of the land in his jurisdiction; He is not Jt. Commissioner of police serving SRCM but people of India, he is not suppose to spread the message of master of SRCM as a Jt. Commissioner of police, but he is obedient to his master and not to his duty, hence he forgot that. Can such a person act in an impartial manner? Can such a person be allowed to serve in a responsible post such as Jt. Commissioner of police? Is it possible for such a person to execute his official responsibility without letting his religious belief interfering in his duty? I leave this on wisdom of Government of India.

Coming back to Pathasarthi Rajagopalachari, even though claims like sahaj marg is a spiritual system is funny and laughable on the onset of it, but it has dangerous implications, there has been numerous incidences of life’s after life’s getting destroyed because of this system, and if such a system was so good, there would not have been so many blogs and enlighten people informing everyone else about harms caused by sahaj marg.

This growing frustration is mainly because of reduction in profit of sahaj marg, according to last years balance sheet of SRCM UK, available on internet, SRCM UK has posted a loss in 2008 as compared to its business in same period last year (2007), here is the balance sheet.

Now to fill this gap, SRCM has come up with yet another version of “Brighter World” and the leader of this cult has asked his zombies to be obedient and shell out hefty sum of money from their pockets in name of this “Brighter World” so that he can make up for the losses he has incurred, because people have begun to think.

Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari asks for absolute obedience numerous times, here is what he has said while asking people to buy the strange messages from brighter world :-

with the only stipulation being obedience to the Master's wishes, and that again is only for our benefit.
We obey to benefit. Unlike in public life, in human life, in our day-to-day life, we obey for somebody else's benefit. In spirituality we obey for our own benefit. You obey; you benefit. You don't obey; you don't benefit. In obedience there can be no questions: "Why have I to obey?" If you ask such a question, it would probably mean several lives more to be taken before you understand why I have to obey. In obedience there is no ‘why'. There is no search for logic. There is no demand for your question to ask: "Why this question should be obeyed?" or "Why this order should be obeyed? Why does the Master have to tell me and not somebody else? Why does he ask me to obey and not somebody else?" No questions. Totally unquestioning obedience is the only requirement of this spiritual way that I know, Sahaj Marg. The moment you start asking questions, it is implicit that you are questioning the wisdom of your Master, the intentions of your Master and his existence itself - never done, except at the peril of your own evolution.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090202_Satkhol.jsp

We need to understand this, Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari, who has several criminal cases against him is asking for “totally unquestioning obedience”, it is very important for us to know the character of the person making such demand, is this person (Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari) a honest person ? NO, is is worthy of trust? NO, has he reached the state of salvation ? NO, then why should anyone become obedient to such a person? What else is done by Osama bin laden ? are suicide bombers less obedient?

Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari claims that “the only requirement in the spiritual path of sahaj marg is obedience to master” by this definition all suicide bombers are best abhyasis!! All the terrorist are defiantly reaching brighter world! These killers of Mumbai are sending messages form brighter world because their obedience and dedication to their master cannot be doubted as they have scarified their life for their mission and master….

This is what mindless obedience leads to, all the suicide bombers are brainwashed similarly in name of religion and spirituality, all the terrorist believe that their path is the ONLY path to salvation, their masters also make exactly the same claim and make the same demand, “Absolute obedience” without thinking. How harmful is this practice is known better by Indian and Americans, who have faced the terror of this absolute obedience.

What this cunning person is trying to say is you become obedience and buy these messages from brighter world so that I can make money, where is this brighter world? What is the proof that it is babuji only who is sending messages from this hypothetical brighter world? Is it not possible that babuji start loving his family from brighter world and start sending messages to Navneet’s SRCM? Why not kasturi?

What is more funny is the claim that these messages will continue to come to his group only and they will publish these messages on each birth anniversary of founder, this is what this mindless joker aka Parthasarthi Rajagopalachari is saying:-

This copy will be followed - much to my joy and surprise - by two more volumes, at least. One volume, that is the second volume now in 30th April 2009, third volume, 30th April 2010 and fourth volume, I hope 30th April 2011, closing with the last message of 31st December 2010.

Please note this statement is made on 2nd Feb 2009. can there be anything more stupid then this? And zombies of sahaj marg call this stupidity as spirituality!! If such a statement is spirituality or stupidity I leave this on the wisdom of the readers to decide.

To be continued…..

How P. Rajagopalachari manipulates people

2009-01-22T21:12:00.000+05:30

P. Rajagopalachari has been fooling people for quite sometime now, he asks his victim for complete surrender to himself, this he asks by manipulation and distorting stories from Indian Mythology, he has used story of Parashuram many time to make his victims obedient to himself to the point that they should kill anyone he asks them to kill, and should not even think about what he has ordered.

Here is what P. Rajagopalachari says:-

One thing that our people must understand is, in obedience there is no place for thought. You are not to think whether this is to be obeyed or not. The Guru orders, you do it. The famous example in our mythology is Parashuram. When he said he was devoted and loved his father, his father said, "Will you do what I tell you?" He said yes. He said, "Cut off your mother's head." Chichick. And the head came off. Mother's head! - obedience. Of course, then the father said, "I am pleased with you. Ask for a boon." He said, "I want my mother alive again." And the mother came alive again.

http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090104_Chennai.jsp

Chari wants his victims to become absolute idiots, because as i have stated my times an intelligent person is bound to ask "WHY?" Chari says that in obedience there is no place for thought. You are not to think whether this is to be obeyed or not. The Guru orders, you do it.

Kindly note he is saying "The Guru orders, you do it" and then he presents a story from Indian Mythology about Parashurama. People who do not think will accept this story without questioning, as Chari has already stated that one must not think, simply OBEY.

Actual story of Parashuram is somewhat different, Parashurama did not killed his mother by obeying his Guru, but did so because his FATHER (not guru) asked him to do so...

If we follow the story presented by P. Rajagopalachari, the question aries:- when Parashuram obeyed his father, why should abhyasis obey their Guru and not their father? I am sure, a father is more loving then Guru can be in todays time.

More-so Parashurama was not present in 21st century, nor in 20th century nor in 19th or 18th century. Parashurama was present before Shree Ram of ayodhya took birth.

And there is no sure time line available in todays historical records about exact date of birth of Lord Ram. It is estimated that Lord Ram took birth on 10 January 5114 B.C i.e thousands of year back.

By distorting stories from Indian Mythology Chari is giving bad name to hindu religion as well.

Can P. Rajagopalachari establish himself as a person who can bring back a dead? if he can do that then if he asks someone to kill anyone else, it makes sense, but if Chari does not have power to bring back a dead to life, how in the world can he present such a story???

We must also know the actual story, as why Parashurams father asked him to kill his own mother?

Parashurams father was Jamadagni and his mothers name was Renuka

The story is:-

Renuka, the devoted wife of Jamadagni, had to get the Ganga water, for her husband's fire worship, and accordingly, proceeded to the river with a pot. The Ganga was flowing majestically. At that time a 'Gandharva' (celestial being) named Chitraratha was enjoying a festive bath and was engaged in frolic with his wives. Renuka was watching these activities for some time.

She had been somewhat mesmerized and after a while awakened herself realizing
her duty to carry the pot of water to her husband. She rushed back to the hermitage.
Jamadagni was a sage possessing supreme vision. He visualized
the reason for his wife's delayed arrival. He was angered at her and took umbrage
at her becoming 'impure' by witnessing Chitraratha with unbecoming interest. He called out his sons and ordered them to kill her. The children were shocked; they could not believe their own ears. How can they kill their own mother? They stood transfixed.

Jamadagni was now furious, seeing that his sons were not obeying him. Parashurama
returned after a while, and Jamadagni asked his son to kill his mother and also
the disobedient brothers.

Parashurama did not hesitate even for a moment. Readily he raised his axe, chopped off his mother's head and later killed his brothers. As he bowed before his father in reverence, the latter's anger subsided. However, five persons had been killed.

Jamadagni said: My son, your devotion to your father has pleased me. Tell me what is your desire and I shall fulfill it. Parashurama replied, O father, nothing satisfies me more than fulfilling your desire. If you want to grant me boons, please forgive my mother and brothers for their disobedience and kindly bring them back to life.As you wish, said Jamadagni. The dead rose to life and prostrated before the sage.

The ashram's rituals were resumed unhindered. Thus Parashurama saved his mother
and brothers.

http://www.webonautics.com/mythology/avataar_parashurama3.html

Parashurama was not obedient to his Guru but to his father, he knew that his mother had done wrong and his brothers also did wrong, he did not killed his mother and brother without thinking, he knew that they did a mistake and asked his father to forgive them.

His father forgave them, Chari will make a new story out of this and claim that all father's who's children are abhyasis should be obedient to their children and state the same story.... Because he has already demanded that one must not think only OBEY!!

I hope people will verify what Chari says because he has established himself as a big manipulator. Because of manipulation of Sahaj marg numerous families have been destroyed till now, and if sahaj marg is not eradicated, many more families will be destroyed.

We need to save our family from Cults and the only way to be safe is to think, question and do not rest till you have found the answer.

Dear victims of sahaj marg, start thinking, your leader is a dangerous person, be-aware of his tactics and do not fall in traps of sahaj marg.

Analysis of Chari's mind by relative of a victim

2009-01-21T22:17:00.000+05:30

This is a comment posted on previous post obedience and intelligence, I guess this analysis is worth reading by everyone directly or indirectly affected by Sahaj Marg.

Jo is responding to one of Chari's speech publish in SRCM website.

Hi shashwat,
My dear sister in the trap of sahaj marg. I am trying to wean her out and the following is a mail i sent her. You may like to use it as a post
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The following is a long speech given by Chari in Mammalapuram in Kerala in response to a question. The interesting point to note is how he rejects all thoughts of criticism to sahaj marg by two ways - one - saying that none are qualified to comment on the 'marg' as they are outside the marg and two - that people are using their intellect to criticise sahajmarg whereas the true way to look at the world is through the heart. His method of recruitment is initiated by ridiculing all that the target communityis proud of i.e. 100% education, relative prosperity and their intellect.

The fact is that the heart is just a pump - a lump of muscle - just like your biceps or quadriceps or for that matter the gluteus. It is downright silly to think that one can 'think' from the heart. There is no grey cells in the heart and definitely no god - it contains only blood, soft tissue and some fat!

Read the speech and try to truly understand it. My comments are in inline.

Master: You want to stay one more day?
Abhyasi: Yes. You will stay one more day, Master?

Master: Oh no, no! We were supposed to stay, but you know… Babuji used to say, "Not too much enjoyment. Balance!"—what Brother Somakumar said just now, about contentment and happiness. Contentment is balance; happiness is overflow. [There should be] no overflow, no emotion. Contentment is a feeling, a state of mind, a state of heart. Happiness is an emotion. So, no emotion in Sahaj Marg. The secret of all this he forgot—now how does this Sahaj Marg succeed? You have been a prefect; how did you succeed in your work?

Comment :Emotion is human and was very important in the ultimate survival of the homosapien. It is a natural thing and prepares your body appropriately for the stimulus that you have got. Contentment, comfort and happiness are synonyms and mean 'absence of discomfort caused by pain, injury, guilt or unpleasant stimuli'. By grading synonyms the master is laying a guilt trap for you. You would now always be guilty whenever you feel happy - because no one can differentiate between contentment and happiness because they are the same thing! This is a way to control people.

Abhyasi: As a prefect? By trying to allow the Master to work through me.

Master: Yes. But, in real fact, what a prefect should do is to win the heart of the abhyasi. We have a saying that 'Love is God. God is love.' If that is so, when you work on the heart where God is supposed to be, what are you doing? Suppose you have a coach and four horses, and you are harnessing them to the coach. And then the boss comes and says, "You drive him." And he thanks you for taking him to wherever he wants to go. In reality, who is doing the driving? The horses. Why do they go? Because you love the horses. If you don't love horses and you hate them—neighhhhhh [sounding like a recalcitrant horse]! So you pat them on the neck, you brush them, you kiss them, give them a cube of sugar, and then they will behave well. The feeling is important; the horse must look at you and recognize you.

Comment: He likens an Abhyasi to an animal who needs to be seduced by any means possible including a shower of love and even a 'cube of sugar'.

So here also we do the same thing. You know, Kerala is a tough nut. But my first apprenticeship came because, when I was serving in my company, I had to do some work here to sell things. And I was very successful, because I got along with everybody. I never made friends. Even today I tell my son, Krishna: "I have no friends. I have only one friend; He is up." But through Him, you know—it is like a waterfall is there, but water is also here, if you convey it properly, in a river or a stream.

Comment:Imagine how manipulative this person was - got along with everyone but made no friends. He is a seeker who wants everything but wants to give little!

So everything comes from there; not only Sahaj Marg. Love comes from there. God is love. So when you have God in your heart you are capable of loving properly. Not this sham business of lust mixed with opportunity. Do you understand? So in spirituality when you are able to harness the hearts of your people, they work as if they are not working for you, but for themselves—which is true.

Comment:As we know there is nothing but blood and tissue in the heart. 'Lust mixed with opportunity' is a clever guilt trap becuse it means nothing but appeals to the puritanical instinct of Indians.

Now these people may think, "What is this? Somebody comes from Madras and builds." I'm not building for myself. I may come here or not, it doesn't matter. But, this is for the people of Kerala. They are expected to use it more than anybody else. And why should they use it? Because they see that somebody has come who is interested in their welfare—interested enough to put money. As I said, it is going to cost half a million dollars. The land we got free, thanks to the generosity of people like Somakumar and Ravi. That is the first step, you see. You make a heart so nice, so tender, so loving that they are willing to give you anything. You follow? It should be like that in marriage also. Not something you ask and you get. You give, and all this bribery business—'I give you a nice saree; you look after me'—not like that. This must work [pointing to the heart].

Comment:Later the master will tell you that everything that the money buys is fraud but here he harks over the half a million dollars he is going to spend for the Ashram. Now he is cleverly denigrating marriage. In fact, marriage is a social contract between two people in the real world. It must necessarily , like all contracts, depend on honest give and take transactions. After listening to this all abhyasis who feel the urge for this give and take will feel guilty.

You know, Kerala began very late in Sahaj Marg. Tamilnadu developed. All over India it was developing. Gujarat was developing. Uttar Pradesh—you know, it's a mad state. It is the state of Lord Krishna, and there is mad love, love without discipline. In Tamilnadu it is too much intellectual. So they want intellect in everything. They will say, "God has a brain, so why don't we use our brain?" They don't understand truly the love, the value of the heart. Even in music, you will find North Indian music is more beautiful to hear, melodious. South India Carnatic music is more grammar, percussion and technical. So, even though I studied Carnatic music for eight years and I played the flute, when I heard Maali (T.R. Mahalingam)—he was a Carnatic man, but he was totally unorthodox—I gave up my Carnatic tradition and went to the North Indian tradition. I had to play in my marriage with my guru, and he found that whatever he had taught, I was playing in a different way, you see, with him. So, after the concert, he said, "I think you have changed your style." I said, "Yes, I'm sorry to say, but—I have not changed the music; I've only changed the style." So like that, we go towards the heart means, it goes. In music especially, it is more and more of innovation from the heart. Whereas, if you innovate from the head—like you have a metronome, tick, tock, tick, tock—it's not so good. People may admire it who are intellectual.

Comment:This is a classic example of preaaching something and practicing something else. Look how he denigrates his guru by ridiculing him and trying to sound more spiritual than him. Rest of the passage has nothing important - finding a type of music good or not is personal preference. Some prefer melody - others prefer strict form. It is personal choice and there is nothing bad about one or the other.

So what we have done here, thanks to Somakumar, Ravi, and some of our prefects… Some have been very 'Kerala' prefects. Even prefects—they have not worked. They say, "Why should I work?" They accept the prefect certificate, then they say, "Nokatte,"that means 'let us see.' "That fellow [referring to himself] has come to Pathanamthitta once. He will not come again," they will say.

Comment:This is the worst form of ridicule to people who have donated their land to the ashram. It is a way of trying to make them guilty and thus under your power. This is a frequently used technique by parents especially in north india where they subtly insult their own children in front of everyone ( ... for their own good!)

So that we have everywhere. We have Punjabi prefects who are totally Punjabi. We have Tamil prefects who are entirely Tamil—Tamil culture, Tamil music, Tamil language. And they will say, "Why doesn't he speak in Tamil? This is Tamilnadu, you know." But I must speak a language which everybody understands, and that is the language of the heart. When you tell a child 'no', it understands, but it is not yet French—it is too young. And, you say "Oui, oui, cheri. [Yes, yes, dear.]" and it understands. How does it understand? You tell your dog, it understands. You tell your cow, it understands. It is not words we really understand. It is the feeling and the emotion behind it that we understand. I can smile and say, "Oh, these French are stupid, you know," but it will not fool the French. Isn't it? So reality has a way of touching hearts, whether we know it or not.

Comment:Look at the play of words. In the first para of the speech he says - 'no emotion in sahaj marg' - and now he says that the only language cows dogs and humans understand is the language of emotion! Amazing!

So that is what we should convey. And this can be conveyed only when you become selfless yourself. Babuji told me a secret long ago. He said, "Remember, you are in this business of being a prefect for their good; and you are working for me. In between you have nothing to do." But that 'nothing to do', many prefects say, "Oh, then I sit with my eyes closed. It's a wonderful thing. And we get coffee and free food after that!" [Abhyasi: "In Kerala?"] Everywhere! So we are in between, like the pipe between the water and the consumer. Or like the electrical wire between the powerhouse and the consumer. It has to convey. So I asked Babuji, "What do I get out of it? I mean, you must give me something, damn it!" And Babuji said, "If you give food with your hand, your hand has the smell of food. That is yours. And if you distribute roses, it has the smell of roses. And if you distribute spirituality, you will have some spirituality left in you." And he said even the best prefect retains twenty percent of the transmission in his own heart.

Comment:This is a motivation para for the perceptors - a false assurance that as they commit the fraud of transmission (convey) something gets left behind in them. The fact is that there is no proof that Babuji transmits anything because he is dead long ago. However the perceptors have been made to believe in transmission so they are being 'bribed' by your smart businessman master by 20% of all goods and services flowing through the pipeline that runs through their territory. How does Babuji know that twenty percent is retained - how do you know chari was told this ridiculous proposition of 20% retention by Babuji - he may have made it up.

You know when you convey water through a canal, much of the water goes into the ground; that is its reward. Now in modern technology, because we get less and less water in most countries, we line it with plastic and make the water not go into the earth. One day the earth will rebel. So, Babuji used to say, "In this business you get twenty percent commission." In no business transaction do you get twenty percent commission. But our prefects, some of them, they want to count the twenty percent and see if it is really twenty percent. That doesn't happen. But when you have faith, like Somakumar said in his talk now, you find that you're changing so much that sometimes you start weeping yourself. "How did I change so much?"

Comment:Understand that commission is a financial term and can be measured in units of currency. What units is spirituality measured? How is it that 20% is retained by perceptor? It would be far more beneficial to the poor perceptor if 5% of all donations recieved are given to them as commission rather than 20% of unmeasurable and useless spirituality.

Now, those who have hard hearts, those who are in life only for business, for power, for supremacy, to dominate others, they don't want their hearts to change. Recently I lost an abhyasi who stopped meditating. He was giving excuses that he is very busy, he is travelling abroad, this that and the other. But the real fact is, as reported to me by somebody else, that he is the financial controller of a big organisation, and he has to deal with money. And he felt his heart was becoming too soft so that he could not do his business effectively. And he stopped. What shall we do with such people? The world is full of such people. Sahaj Marg tries its best. We can break a mountain with a transmission, but what about the human heart? We are forbidden, also.

Comment:Again a guilt trap for those who do not find time to meditate and for those RICH that want to leave. If the master is divine and in touch with Babuji and almighty - why does he need someone else to tell him what the real fact. Soft heart and hard heart are imaes that the master wants you to see so that he can exercise effective control. The fact is the hearts of all people are more of less of the same density. A person with hard heart will find it extremely difficult to survive in this planet.

Babuji made it very clear that we can deal only with those who are willing to be transformed. We cannot compel. Many people have asked, "What about God, can He not change [people]?" He said, "Then what is the pleasure? There is no pleasure in changing somebody just like that. We have dogs, we have lions, we have cows. We can train them in a matter of a few months. But human beings—some will never change." Babuji used those words, and I said, "Babuji, you said 'never'?" He said, "Yes. I am sorry to say it. They will come here again and again and again and again, until big tragedies, big losses make their hearts slowly melt. It may take a hundred lives, five hundred lives, five thousand lives—only they can decide." And then when these big tragedies happen, you know like a millionaire, one who has two thousand million dollars, and his wife is dying of cancer and he can do nothing. Then he begins to realise that his money is useless for the real things of life. It can buy you yachts; it can buy you Boeing 747s, private planes. It can buy you all the beautiful cinema actresses, and anybody else you want. But it cannot buy you health; it cannot buy you love. There may be a thousand women travelling with you on your yachts, but none of them love you. They are there for your money. That he finds out, you see. "I have spent millions. Thousands of them eat with me every day, you know, caviar and, I don't know what else, brussel sprouts! I spend lavishly on them. Every day they consume hundred bottles of champagne. But not one of them loves me." Then he begins to realise that money is a fraud. Everything money buys is a fraud. It is temporary; it has no permanence; it does not last. The only lasting thing is love. Then he thinks of his nurse who has been nursing him patiently through twenty-five years, and she is secretly in love with him. He marries her. But to come to that stage you have to go through a lot of illness, a lot of pain, a lot of suffering, a lot of betrayal. That's a long way, you know. It can go on life after life.

Comment:Pleasure is an emotion and emotions as you have seen in the first para has no place in the sahaj marg. Why is the master then bothered if there is pleasure or no pleasure in changing someboby just like that. See how he denigrates human beings to something lower than dogs, lions and cows. But wait - you can avoid being called worse than a dog only and only if you allow yourself to be 'transformed'.
The storycited here is a modern version of one of the stories read in every hindu household in satyanarayan katha. You may be able to remember it - only the saviour there was styanarayan and here it is sahaj marg! Inthe end of the para he says 'life after life' which indicates reincarnation whereas here http://www.srcm.org/welcome/faq.jsp the official website of SRCM says that they do not believe in reincarnation. Duplicity? can you see? The fact is there is no proof that there is life after death. We live on only through our opffspring and not by entering into a new body - at least that is what we know scientifically.

So sometimes I have felt—why do we take so many lives? Suppose I am prone to anger, like Ravana. In one life I get over that. I become so angry, I shoot somebody. I am taken by the police. I go to jail. I live all my life in jail and die. At that time I decide—never more will I get angry. It's a deathbed resolution. It goes with the soul. In my next life, I am very gentle. But I am arrogant about my service. "Without me, you cannot exist," like a nurse. And I see that whenever I am arrogant, the patient is dying. Then at the end of that life, I say, "No more arrogance." You see this girl who is simple, she has no education, and she is successful with the patients because she sits, loves them, kisses them. Whereas I am arrogant in my starched uniform and with my stethoscope. So, no more arrogance. So, anger gone; arrogance gone. Like this, one by one, we have to lose. So it takes so many lives. It is like a boy who fails at geography, therefore he fails. He says, "I must study geography." Next time he is very good at geography but he has neglected mathematics.So we have to get completely an integrated growth where all characteristics are balanced. Without balance, there is no spiritual progress. We must have money, we must have health, we must have power, we must have joy, but everything for the sake of others, not for yourself. This is the secret of life. When this happens, then whatever people may think of you, inside your motor is the best, like a Mercedes Benz: silent, noiseless, very powerful. This power nobody can see, therefore you don't use it. It doesn't have to be used, because from your heart everything comes. They recognize. Like you go to a cowshed and all your cows recognize you because you are feeding them every day. Mooo! They come. And you pat them on the neck, give them a banana and they are happy. So unless you are able to win hearts, there is no work which can succeed.

Comment:Anger, pride, joy, happiness, humility, sacrifice, attachment are all important emotions and they make us differnet from the ant or a cockroach. They are necessary to live. If you feel no anger when the terrorist tries to put fire to the Taj hotel or no pride when you have put in a good days work and created something - you are turning into an android. Emotions are the most important thing in us being human. Imagine two million emotionless people listening to Gandhiji ot Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela. Nothing in this world will get achieved without emotion and passion. We would have a world full of half awake automatons mumbling around waiting to die hoping that they are not reborn as a cockroach!

Of course today you see they are paid more and more, but that is in the nature of a bribe. Once upon a time, somebody used to get ten rupees, today they get a million rupees. Like Bill Gates has a wealth of about fifty-eight billion dollars. What will he do with it? He is a rich man. But if the share price falls by a dollar, he will be worth thirty-eight billion instead of fifty-eight billion. Somebody can commit suicide if his heart is not strong. Another says, "Well, this is only paper. Tomorrow, if it rises, I am again worth [more]. If it falls, I have nothing. So, I'm not rich. It depends on the rise and fall of the stock market." You know, it's like a ship. Its safety depends upon the rise and fall of the water. If it is violent, what happens to the commander? He will have to pray, and they do pray. The mast breaks, the engine runs down, and you are going like this and like this, and people are in danger.

Comment:Notice how obsessed the master is with money. How he pumps up everyone's base emotion of 'fear' artificially. Fear is an important emotion for the 'fight or flight' response. It puts us in crisis mode and bonds us together socially to face the enemy. Here master uses fear as an emotional tool to bond against a faceless enemy much like Bush's War on terrror.

A little wind and the sailor loses his ego. A little fire and the fireman loses his ego. Like that, to lose the ego, normally we have to lose something on which our ego is fixed. Therefore a rich man has to lose his money. A man who is very proud of his health has to lose his health. A man who is very proud of his power has to lose his position. "Oh, I have been president of America for two terms"—it is cut. And then he is building his own library—memoirs.

Comment:More obsession with money and its loss. More spectre of fear - the oldest rule in the book of religion - scare the shit out of them.

So please remember all of you, that the characteristic that you are most proud of, is the one you have to throw away first. "No, no I am very well-educated. Kerala is the land of education." My friend Ravi said, "We are all literate." What do you use your literacy for? What haveyou used it for? Until this Gulf money started coming to Kerala, it was a lousy state where people chewed tobacco and ate kaccha supari—paaku [betel nut]. Isn't it? Now because money is coming, Western money, Gulf money, there is some sense of culture, some sense of dependence on other people that we are prosperous. Before we thought 'Kerala for Keralites'. Evide poyi Kerala for Keralites? [Where has the idea of 'Kerala for Keralites' gone?]" We have to be beaten before we will recognize. "E Parashurama kshetram [This is the land of Parashurama]." O adheyo? Parashuraman evide poyi? Evide kaanunnilla. [Oh, is that so? Where has Parashurama gone? He is not here.] So you see, we are beaten with the stick of which we are possessive. "I am egoistic," I say. Somebody takes that stick and hits me on the head. And we say, "Ayyoda! [Oh!] he took my stick and beat me with it." God has no weapons; He uses your own weapons to kick you in the back, first.

Comment:See how he wants your personality to be devoid of all self respect and pride. He wants the Keralites to be shameful of their education by belittling their (lack of)achievements despite being educated, shameful of their money because it has come from gulf and before that money came they were betel nut chewing peasants and belittling the biggest connection Kerala has with Aryan North that is of being the land of Parsurama. This man is evil.God is supposed to be benevelant. Why should he feel the need to kick you on your back? If I were god, I would file a defamation suit against master for implying that i would cause harm to my own shareholders (aka Rmalinga Raju)!

So this we must understand, you see. My ego has to go by my having to lose that upon which I have totally depended for my life. [If] I am depending only on money, my money will have to go. Overnight, a billionaire is a pauper. He has to sell his yacht, he has to sell his girls away, he has to sell his caviar and his champagne—whole cellars of them. And then he comes. "Oh Roberto, what happened to you?" "C'est la vie. [Such is life.]" Then he becomes repentant because, now he has to go and ask people for something. You know the old tradition that monks, sannyasis had to beg for their food, was to kill their ego. The man will never ask somebody. 'You say you are thirsty. Why didn't you ask for a glass of water?' 'No, no, I don't like to ask for water. I will go and buy. Sept franc. [Seven francs.]" Okay. 'You really wanted to go to the toilet, when we were in that house for two hours." "No, no, I preferred not to go. Indian toilets are messy. I'll go back to the hotel." Ego, isn't it? What is good for a human being is good for another human being. So sannyasis, monks, rishis, they have the tradition of having to go to do yaachaka (begging) as we call it. It's not really begging. You only say, "Bhavati bhikshaam dehi"—I have come to ask; if you have, please give me. And this you collect and take to your ashram, cook and eat—all of you. So even the begging is a collective thing. It's not for you yourself. And if still you have something left over, you give it to another ashram. Nothing is to be kept.

Comment:Again see how master is obsessed with money and now girls - who the Billionaire has to 'sell' away! Gawd! He must learn the ancient Bhikshak tradition and beg for donations and open his books for scrutiny to see if he is not keeping the donations balance at the end of the accounting period as reserves and giving them away to other ashrams.

So you see, the old Christian tradition that before we go to bed, let me make my enemies my friends. I shall have nothing on my heart which will ruin my sleep, make me wake up worse than I went to bed and then I have more enmity: "Because of that fellow I did not sleep." So the heart must be pure when we go to bed. So we have the evening cleaning. The heart must be purified in the morning totally again, and so we have the morning meditation. Before going to bed, we have the evening cleaning process that takes care of whatever is residual. That is the beauty of the Sahaj Marg system. It has been tailor-made in such a simple fashion that any stupid human being, whether he is an Eskimo in Lapland or a cart puller in the streets of Kerala or a pilot flying a Jumbo, anybody can do it very easily—no effort, no time, no money. And I'm surprised, you see—what keeps people away? It is their cultural arrogance, linguistic arrogance and their national arrogance. All making up one solid mass of ego, like cheese, when you cook it, for a pizza; you can't digest it. And pizza is so popular! Manassilaayo? [Understood?]

Comment:The only arrogance i see here is in sahaj marg who say that 1. you can not discuss it intellectually 2. you should ignore all scientific and biological evidence to see that heart is just a muscular tissue pump and it is not possible to fill it with anything other than blood 3. that you can clean the heart whereas it is niether desirable nor possible to clean the heart except by introducing a stent to clean up clogged arteries that go into the heart.

So what are we to say? Every one of you should love in such a way that you have kavarchi, you know, aakarshana shakti [power of attraction]. And how will it come? When you are not there and only the other person is there. If you give a sitting just to put on record that today I gave seven sittings, that is for yourself, isn't it? Babuji never said he has transformed so and so; he never said that. In fact once, one very senior officer of the government came. He said, "Babuji, can you show me two people whom you have liberated? Then I will join your Mission." I was going to hit that fellow in the face, you see. It's like telling an apple tree, "Show me an apple and then I will accept you are an apple tree"—and they are hanging from the tree! Isn't it?

Comment:More arrogance and more emotion (anger - to hit another human being in the face) where as he advocates that it has no place in sahaj marg. Also inherent dislike for questioning because the ego of the master is too great to be affronted even by a 'high ranking' government servant.

So we have fools. And fools—why are they fools? Because again arrogance will not allow them to say that, "I do not know." "Oh yes, I know everything. Spirituality—chi chi! It's a cult." Like they have in Europe, the problem of the cult. Only fools talk about something they don't know, with the vehemence of somebody who knows everything about it. "Oui, oui," they say. So you see, talking about something about which you know nothing in a way that you know everything, is the first sign of arrogance and ego. Pride! And then when we ask you the first question, you say, "Do you know anything that you are asking me a question?" "No, no, brother. You said you are a scientist. Can you tell me the velocity of light?" "Look in a textbook. Who are you testing?" One who dare not be tested will refuse to be tested, as if he knows everything and you are insulting him by asking! You understand?

Comment:More hatred towards people not following sahaj marg! See how cleverly he has used science and scientists to buttress his argument that he should not be questioned but obeyed without questions.

So these are the signs by which humanity can be easily understood. You can look at a man's face and know what he is. Reading is no difficulty. But we don't know what to expect when we read. Therefore we say, "I cannot read." You understand? Most prefects have this problem. They say, "I am not able to read. I have been a prefect for fifteen years." Because I think we expect something in writing, or some cinema-like pictures, whereas the reading is here [points to the heart]. So please remember that, all prefects, and try to put this [points to the heart] to use when you give a sitting—look at your heart. Suppose I am in an air-conditioned room with glass windows. And I see a tree swaying. I know there is a breeze blowing. If I want to feel it, I have to go outside. One is visual; one is from the heart.

Comment:Another impossible direction by the master - 'look at the heart'. You can not - if you do you will have to look at someone elses that too in the OT during an open heart surgery. And last thing you will find there is the answers to the questions of humanity. What you will see is a blood soaked throbbing muscle organ contracting and expanding till you bypass it when it is difficult to see how it is different from the muscles of your thigh or your bum.

Now we are looking for visual evidence in everything that we do. Babuji said "Always look only to the heart. Your eyes, your ears, your nose, they have nothing to do with it." Can you touch somebody and say he is spiritual? Of course Master can, but can you? No. Can you look at somebody and say he is sick? No—unless he is a very good doctor who thinks of the patient. But modern doctors, they have to look at reports to see that the patient is sick. They don't know that he is sick. They say, "Give me the blood report, pulse, scan, MRI," you know. And after the patient spends twenty thousand rupees, they say, "You are not well." "Mama mia!" you say, "I knew it when I came here." That is today's medicine. Today's priest, he does not believe in what he is preaching. And if you ask him, "Father, do you believe?" He says "My son, my problem is the same as yours. I lack faith." Very humanly, and very humbly, he says, "My son, my problem is the lack of faith like you have, but I depend on God Almighty to cure it." And you think he is a very good man because he says it in a nice, mild manner. So this is the hypocrisy of medicine, of law, of churches, all over the world. I don't mean only Christian—Hindu, everything. They are all churches.

Comment:He says look into the heart because he wants you to remain confused. Only if you are confused will you follow his stupid orders and accept his conflicting and often dichotomous dictats, incredible ideology and subtle but atrong threatening suggestions to cough up your money.

So it is also good in a way because it puts humanity back on its own. We have to create a new sense of approach to the Almighty. We have to learn that I don't have to go to church. I have it right here. I don't have to depend on a priest. He is right here inside me. I do not have to look to books for behaviour, morality, ethics. They are all inside me. Why have they not shown? Because you did not want to listen. You kept the book closed. Open it. So we say, "Open your heart." Then you find that God is there, the priest is there, the book is there, and you are there. And if you permit that to go on, you are progressively gone and He is progressively growing until the God that was in me but whom I have neglected, whom I have not listened to, whom I have ignored totally, is now me—and I have no problem.

Comment:I promise you with all the conviction i have that if you open your heart you will find no book, no priest , no god .. nothing except blood and tissue.... and you will die in the attempt.

So this is what we should achieve or try to achieve, and this is what I pray that all of you will be blessed with.

Comment:Realise the truth behind this fraud religion and leave sahajmarg now.
Thank you.

Obedience and intelligence

2009-01-18T20:45:00.000+05:30

A person obeys another person because he is influenced by a stronger power, whether it being wealth, intellect, experience, or a higher position. Human beings have been obeying and disobeying since the beginning. They have been thought that obedience is a virtue and disobedience a vice, but this is not true all the time. The person obeying authority must be able to recognize irrational and rational authority, because not being able to do so can become dangerous. When people become a part of a cult or a gang it is usually at a vulnerable time when they are recruited and they were not able to recognize signs needed to make a rational decision. These people become followers to leaders with narcissistic personalities who believe they are some sort of messiah that will make the world a better place.

Obedience is simple, obedience needs no intelligence, all machines are obedient, there is nothing like an disobedient machine, intelligence is human, if anyone is asking for a complete obedience, that person in essence is asking you to become a machine, which s/he can use for his own selfish motive. When a person is obedient, he thinks he is not responsible for the act, take the case of Nazi’s after the second world war, in the Nuremberg trials, all the Adolf Hitler’s top men simply said they were not responsible, they were simply following orders and don’t feel guilty of the crimes they committed, this is what sahaj marg intends to do with its victim, make them machines, and make them commit crime against humanity, and make them feel, they are not responsible, however no court of law, which is based on reasoning will accept their argument and it is them who will be punished, as a reference take the case of Ikuo Hayashi. A perfect example of human converted into an obedient machine by a claimed spiritual guru.

Obedience has a simplicity, disobedience needs a higher order of intelligence, any idiot can be obedient, infect only idiots can be obedient. The person of intelligence is bound to ask WHY? – “Why am I suppose to do it?” and “unless I know the reason and consequence of it, I am not going to involve in it!” An intelligent person is responsible.

Intelligence is directly proportional to responsibility.

Responsibility is not a game, it is one of the most authentic ways of living, , but it does not mean disobedience for the sake of disobedience, that would be idiotic too, we must use our own intelligence, and when we use our own intelligence we are responsible and grow mature, and hence even though we accept opinion of others but we have agreed to the opinion and that is not obedience but responsibility.

Just to go against obedience is not going to move intelligence higher; it remains on the same plane. Disobedience does not mean saying an absolute no in every situation, it simply means deciding whether to do it or not, and it is defiantly not the question of hating the person seeking obedience or hating to be told what to do, it is just being responsible.

The way of disobedience is not stagnant, just going against every order and feeling anger and hate and revenge towards the person. The way of disobedience is a way of great inteliigence. So it is not ultimately obedience or disobedience. Reduce the basic facts, its simply a question of intelligence—behave intelligently.

It is easy to throw responsibility, If Adolf Hitler had been victorious, Martin Heidegger would have said, he is victorious because he followed my philosophy, Martin Heidegger was a great intellectual as compared to Hitler, Hitler was just a retarded person, but powerful and we follow the powerful. We are brought up to follow the powerful, the teacher, the priest, the God, essentially whoever has the power is right. “might is right” and you have to follow it, it is simple because it needs no intelligence.

Now there are few questions here, can a totally obedient person be intelligent? From the points presented above, certainly not, and here comes the next question, answer to which will be a nail in the coffin of Sahaj Marg.

Can an idiot realize the ultimate and lead others to the path to the ultimate? And answer is certainly NO.

So as I have said time and again, people in sahaj marg are idiots because they have lost the power to use their intelligence as they have become absolutly obedient, hence they cannot utilize their own wisdom and realize what is known as ultimate truth, to realize the truth we must be intelligent enough. And an intelligent person cannot be part of sahaj marg. Sahaj marg and intelligence are anonyms of each other. Sahaj Marg is path of foolishness and only foolish people follow it. Those who disagree are welcome to prove otherwise.

This is what Sahaj Marg is all about
http://www.sahajmarg.org/smrti/education/publications/salfeatures/series4/obedience/obedience2.html

It is of course necessary that a disciple obeys the Master implicitly. The great Indian mystic Kabir is stated to have said that while a disciple should not take alcoholic drinks, nevertheless, if the Master orders a disciple to drink, the disciple should not merely drink but should drown himself in a vat of wine so that the liquor should pour into him through every pore of the body. This emphasises the degree of obedience that is called for. By obedience and by following the Master's guidance, not only in spiritual sadhana but in all aspects of one's life, one comes to realise that the Master is not just a Master of one's spiritual life but is an all-pervasive Master with franchise over the sum total of one's human functions. The development of this attitude strengthens one's attachment to the Master and begins to develop in the disciple a feeling of total dependence on the Master.

Parthsarthi Rajagopalachari is a fake guru who is in a habit of fooling people by taking name of some well known mystique's as in above case, he has used the name of Kabir and has given a wage example for obedience for himself, Kabir on the other hand has never made any such comment, on the contrary Kabir is said to have two guru's The thesis that he had two gurus, Ramanand and Shekh Taqqi, provides an optimism that he was not prone to any one orthodox set of beliefs

Parthsarthi in essence is a fake guru, and uses names of enlighten mystique's of past to substantiate his position as a Guru. Is there anything more worst then this?

This is what Sahaj Marg is. Obedience to a Psychopath.

The Sahaj Marg Trap

2009-01-16T19:32:00.000+05:30

The whole thing looks very subtle to the newcomer, a young chap, explained the benefits of sahaj marg by some of their close relatives or someone who has won over their trust over a period of time. I believe today that anyone with a minimum of critical sense would find-out in this apparently innocent meditation classes the beginning of a long manipulation process.

People follow Sahaj Marg as it is supposed to be followed, they consider it as Masters gift.. they are carried by the collective enthusiasm and are very sensitive to the other abhyasis hearty support, not suspecting even once, that their apparent sincerity was in reality a well-trained, careful selection of words and attractive arguments.

This is all fine during the initial months of Sahaj Marg practice, but one gets more involved when they logically recognize their Master (P. Rajagopalachari) as a divine incarnation, representing the divine: His ever-present photograph is the unavoidable tool to persuade new-comers that the benefits and experience of meditation come from him and that his divine nature resides inside the abhyasi in the form of the spiritual energy who is the source of their newly acquired wisdom. By claiming that ownership, Chari becomes abhyasis inner personal guru.

Thus the importance given to Chari, while transmitting a newly brainwashed member, You just need to see the tense reactions of preceptors when a new-comer mentions he prefers to meditate without considering Chari, in essence in Sahaj Marg Chari IS the meditation. The imagined transmission is the initial drop of a slow but regular poisoning & intoxicating process, the solid milestone on which the sand castle of Sahaj Marg beliefs are built.

Preceptors would even more warmly reassure the new comer at this stage by insisting that "you are your own master", that you are the one who makes the choices. In reality however abhyasis start very gradually to be controlled. What initially was a method to observe their personal inner functioning becomes a method of manipulation.
How does that happen? In their daily life, abhyasis start analyzing their actions, thoughts and emotions thinking "is what I am doing, thinking, feeling in accordance with Sahaj Marg?" or "does what I'm doing, thinking, feeling please Master?" They are even asked to maintain a diary and submit the same to their preceptor, in addition to remaining in constant remembrance of their leader. The regular practice of this personal control becomes so automatic, that after few years they find themselves only doing things that please Chari. They are so adapted to this ideal behavioral pattern that they even enjoy it and become happy about it, which in reality makes things worse: Master becomes the source of their happiness. Abhyasis keep repeating "May master bless you" or "Thanks to Master". All this is outcome of constant remembrance, absolute control applied on them and their minds, when a person makes a statement like “Thanks to Master” or “May Master bless you” or “by the grace of Master” understand immediately that this person has crossed the threshold of inner self control and is totally under control of Chari and is on his mercy.

Through their daily worship of Chari as God on earth, they are at the mercy of all his desires, preferences and increasingly fanatic ideas. There is nothing a abhyasi wouldn't do for him: People get married, divorce, send their kids away and gobble their sufferings (these are only petty human attachments) simply because he tells them to.

Of course they claim very seriously that they do these things from their own will. It's perfectly true: Masters will IS their will. They are his instruments. Master can do anything, lie, rob, cheat. He doesn't even need to explain his behaviour, each abhyasi will individually do the job on his behalf. The supreme trick is that when they don't find any cosmic interpretation to his behaviour they will claim he is the Master, and his actions cannot be understood by the human brain since the brain is his creation, and that he behaves in that way to test their devotion/belief in him.

Succeeding such "tests" becomes a source of recognition and respect. This is how sahaj marg traps a human and converts him/her into an obedient drone.

The psycho guru, P. Rajagopalachari (Chariji)

2009-01-15T20:35:00.000+05:30

In Indian system there is an age old tradition of guru and shishya, wherein a guru is placed at a high social status, and was placed next to parents, this was true when honesty and commitment for the welfare of the society was by and large prominent in minds of people living in that society to which the guru belonged, in-fact, in traditional Aryan system of living, every person had the potential to become a guru in later part of his life.

The early Aryans use to follow the system of 4 stages of life, wherein at each important junction of their life they use to transform from one domain of life to another, the four stages of life were named as followes:-

1.Brahmacharya Ashram.
2.Grahasta Ashram
3.Vanprasthan Ashram.
4.Sanyas Ashram

The word ashram means shelter implying that the person takes shelter successively in each of the four stages during his life’s journey,

The first ashram, Brahmacharya, is the student phase of life when the person is supposed to immerse himself or herself in learning the craft or trade in preparation for later life. During this period the person is supposed to live a celibate life (Brahmacharya means celibacy). Grahasta (meaning householder) ashram is the stage of family life. It begins with marriage and proceeds to raising a family. It involves earning a living through the skills acquired during Brahmacharya ashram. Vanaprastha indicates the departure from material possessions. The person lives with the family, in society, but in a withdrawn manner. The man no longer takes part in the commercial activities and the woman leaves the running of the household to her daughter-in-law. People in this ashram play the role of mentors. The social activities become religious in nature. The final stage is Sanyasa or renunciation. The person leaves society to spend the remaining part of his or her life in meditation and the contemplation of God in solitude. This is a very severe step and once upon a time was the norm.

It was during the Brahmcharya ashram i.e when a person is not responsible for his family he use to live with Guru and learn the skills which s/he would use during the course of Grahasta ashram.

The concept of sahaj marg which uses name of Raja Yoga as selling strategy does not fit in any of these stages of life as postulated by early Aryans, Raja yoga is also a product of that time frame only, it was never expected from a householder to become obedient zombies of person who claims to be a guru, and abuses his own country and countrymen.

Sahaj Marg has a modern day Guru (who can be termed as psycho guru) claims that they have modified this system of guru-shishya and now a person living a life of householder can continue to follow principles of Bramcharya ashram, this psycho guru is P. Rajagopalachari, Chari claims that he can intercede with God for those who follow the philosophy of Sahaj Marg, and believe that after death, that person will be reaching a place he has named “Brighter World”. Condition for reaching this brighter world is unconditional obedience to him, and not to question any of his absurd statement and become a living dead in his hand, he has not proved his credentials as a good human being till now, but still asks people to believe in whatever statement he makes, no matter how absurd his view may be, as he claims himself to be the one who can take any person who celebrates his birthday to “brighter world”

Below I am presenting some of his statement, which will show how smartly Chari has been fooling people and manipulating them in name of spirituality. Any person, who by default does not asks questions about authenticity of a person claiming to have potential to intercede on behalf of others who follow him, can be fooled by the show of money and power game as demonstrated by people around him, and luxurious ranches around the globe.

However we have observed lately that many people have begun to question their involvement in this cult and are gradually over-coming the mind control of SRCM by their own will, and leading a happy normal life, leaving all the anxiety frustration and forced beliefs of sahaj marg behind.

Some of the unbelievable claims made by this Psycho Guru are as follows:-

1. Lalaji Maharaj, whose birth anniversary we are celebrating today has ordained–it was not merely an expression of his wishes–has ordained that abhyasis should marry amongst each other, so that in two or three generations we have an exploding Sahaj Marg population

Lalaji Died in 1931, when there was no trace of Sahaj Marg, and chari announced this claim in 2002, how can a person in his/her normal state of mind believe in this kind of absurdity? But still there are people following this cult of sahaj marg, can they be said to be in normal state of mind, this is the reason as why members of SRCM are called “Zombies”.

2. So what wonders can it do if this is on a global scale? That is why Sahaj Marg is performing marriages—no questions asked, except whether you are old enough to get married, and whether you are a man and a woman. Unlike the churches in the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus

Chari claims that God did not intend same sex attraction!! What kind of God is Chari talking about? Do those who have attraction towards same sex are product of devil? Then God and devil have same power over humans isn’t it? Only a stupidest assumption will make a sense in explaining the will of God!!! Can a person who talks to Ghosts claim to explain “will of God?” I leave it on the wisdom of readers to decide if a person like Chari is talking to God or devil!

3. So in India today is there an honest man? It is doubtful. Is there a man of character? Perhaps. Are there selfish liars, cheats, daakus [dacoits], unfriendly, willing to kill for profit and pleasure? Yes. Every Indian is potentially that. If they see a profit they are willing to give up everything for it. Today in the newspaper there is an article of two people who kidnapped a boy of nine or ten years old, took him to a hospital in Cuddapah or somewhere, changed his sex, and are using him for prostitution—just now I read in the newspaper.

The kind of fantasies we have, explains to a great extend the kind of person we are, there has been no such incident anywhere in India ever as stated by Chari, this cocked up story of change of sex of a boy to a girl for sex is totally unbelievable, this shows up-to a great extend the mentality of this person P. Rajagopalachari, does this makes any sense to any person that anyone would kidnap a child take him to doctor who would perform a sex change operation and then the kidnappers would use that child as sex object? This is below human thinking and demonstrates the mind set of this person, who claims to be a spiritual person, to add to this P. Rajagopalachari claims that all Indian are potentially liar and cheat, well he may be true about himself and his gang, but this statement cannot be generalized for all Indians in one go…. How will Chari explain people like A.P.J Abdul Kalam? Army personals dying for the safety of their nation? Is Chari suggesting that Indian army is there to defend liars and cheats? Shame on you Mr. Chari, you are not even a good human being, how can you claim to be a spiritual person? Looking at your own country as a nation of liars and cheats is not the way of a good human.

4. And I pray to you, beloved Master, to grant us this privilege of rejoining you in the brighter world as soon as possible

This is a terrifying statement if we understand what he is really saying. Here it seems that Chari is suggesting that abhyasis should die as soon as possible so that they can goto brighter world, can a sane person take such kind of statements as outcome of a healthy happy mind? Again I leave it on the wisdom of readers, this is horrible to say the least.

5. In today’s world Sahaj Marg, as stated by Babuji Maharaj, is the easiest and the quickest way to the goal of liberation.

This is the most absurd statement of all, who has achieved liberation in sahaj marg since its conception? Can Chari produce a list of those who he thinks have achieved liberation by following sahaj marg? And also the time taken by those who have achieved this liberation? Again wisdom of readers is needed here to understand how Chari is fooling people in name of liberation and spirituality.

All the statements made by Chari can be proved to be irresponsible and stupid statement, here I have put forth only a few of such statements so that people infected by diseases of sahaj marg can realize what they are subjected to.

Brighter World of Sahaj Marg

2008-12-25T00:18:00.000+05:30

Zombies of sahaj marg believe that when a person dies, he can either go to brighter world or is sent to hell, (and no brighter world is not heaven!) unlike Hindu philosophy zombies of sahaj marg do not believe in theory of reincarnation , but they believe in doomsday which they call “bhuma” that is the “Day of Judgment”. bhuma is the day when God will take care of every humans deeds and punish or reward him according to his deeds, no-one knows when this so called “bhuma” will happen, but zombies of sahaj marg believe that it will come, at-least in known human history this day has not yet come, and there is no guarantee as when will this day come, but because zombies of sahaj marg think from their heart, so they believe that this day will come and anyone who is not part of sahaj marg will be punished by God and all those who are part of sahaj marg will be rewarded by God. This is the mental state in which these zombies live.

There is however, no explanation in sahaj marg as what will happen to people living in brighter world? are they going to stay in brighter world forever? or is it that they are also waiting for "bhuma"? Sahaj marg does not explains if concept of bhuma is applicable in brighter world or not?

This cult explains brighter world as a hypothetical place where so called elevated members of this cult go once they are dead, currently this place is occupied by Sulochna (wife of leader of this cult) Babuji (founder of this cult) Lalaji (the claimed founder of this cult), Swami Vivekananda, Gautam buddha, Lord Krishna and Jesus Christ. Only criteria to reach brighter world is to be obedient to the leader of this cult, do not question anything stated by the cult leader, follow the cult leader where-ever he goes and above all dedication towards the mission, those who give up their family for the sake of sahaj marg, a placed is reserved in brighter world for that person.

This is not enough, this brighter world is also a source of income for this cult, it is claimed that an anonymous French lady receives messages from brighter world, and these messages are sold to the members of this cult costing $ 250 per 600 messages.

A person who is not brainwashed by this cult, may get astonished by the stupidity exhibited by zombies of sahaj marg, who not only accept existence of brighter world but also buy these messages, how is this possible? How is it possible for normal humans to believe in such fallacies? Answer is:- members of sahaj marg are asked to “think from heart” (please don't laugh, this is true!!). Members of sahaj marg fail to understand that thinking process is done by brain and not by heart, and because this cult is scared of mind, (as they know very well that if a person thinks, he will for sure leave this cult immediately as sahaj marg is nothing more then foolishness) so the members of sahaj marg are asked not to think at all. Since this cult is highly manipulative, they never say directly that one must become stupid, instead they say “think from heart” and don’t use your mind. This is their way of keeping people stupid, who worship a criminal.

Here I would like to put forth a question for all those who are member of Shree Ram Chandra Mission, why is sahaj marg so against intelligence? Can members of this cult explain as who gave human intellect? Doesn’t it come from God? God has given us a tool to distinguish the right from the wrong. If we don’t use it and as the result follow the ways of perdition, who’s fault is it? As Galileo said, if God did not want us to use our brain, why he would give it to us?

We must acknowledge the divine origin of our intellect. Knowledge and reason come from God. Ignorance comes from non-God or Satan i.e people like Chari. Anytime we shut down our brain and believe in things that make no sense we distance ourselves from God and get closer to Satan.

Even though our intellect is limited but this is no reason to go against it. We are given a measuring tool to separate right from wrong. It is imperfect but this does not mean we should through it away and do without it.

If the concept of brighter world, those stupid messages from brighter world, and all of the gobblygoody theories of sahaj marg do not make any sense, isn’t this proof enough that the sahaj marg has got nothing to do with spirituality? Can stupidity be compared with spirituality?

Is it possible that by leaving one’s job, family and other social responsibility if one travels to various places only to celebrate chari’s birthday Chari can reserve a place in brighter world???? Is this not stupid? All a person needs to do to come out of mind control of sahaj marg is to start thinking, and reject the absurd philosophy of sahaj marg.

There is no place anywhere which goes by the name of brighter world nor anyone who die’s reaches that place, brighter world is simply a cocked up place by criminal minded Parthsarthi Rajagopalachari, only to make money. Stop being fool, start thinking and take care of your responsibilities, by serving Mr. Chari you are going no-where but only distancing yourself from your society.

Head or heart

2008-12-23T12:06:00.000+05:30

One of the arguments presented by all cult apologist is one should follow heart and not there head, I have been wondering over this point for some time, and did a bit of thinking as well, so I decided to express my views about listening to the heart or following the head.

What I have observed is that heart is very misleading. How ?

What do you think of those who follow cults? Do they follow their brain? Of course not! They follow their hearts and because heart can be fooled and as the result they are also fooled. Because first we have to establish the path that we are taking is the right one and this can be done only by using our brain.

Even if I choose to follow my heart, why would I want to follow sahaj marg? This is a very ugly faith. It only attracts the criminals. Decent humans are disgusted by it. Are these zombies sure that they follow their heart? or is it fear? Are they not appalled by the violence and hate which has resulted out of sahaj marg? Sahaj Marg is a fear based cult. The ultimate argument that abhyasis present is fear of hell, and loosing place in brighter world.

As with heart, brain also has its limitation, but that is all we have. With an airplane we cannot travel to the moon. There is a limitation to the airplane. Beyond certain altitudes it just can’t go. Do we leave the plain in mid air to go to the moon without it? That would be quite foolish. No, we would try to build a different space ship to propel us to the moon. But still we would follow the same scientific principles and follow the same laws of nature. So yes there is a limitation to logics but it would be foolish to abandon it and embrace irrationality to find the truth. Even if we find other means to access the truth, like intuition or similar faculties they cannot be illogical.

Can anyone establish that their heart has never betrayed them? It has betrayed many people. The followers of David Koresh were betrayed by their hearts, the followers of Jim Jones, Heaven’s Gate or all other cults were/are betrayed by their hearts. How do we know we are not betrayed by our heart?

What about suicide bombers? Are they not victims of their faith? Is their heart not betraying them? If they used their brain, they would not have done this stupid thing. Killing innocent people to go to heaven? Is there anything more insane than that? They are following their hearts and not their brains. No matter how flawed our intellect may be, it is the only tool we have and it is far better equipped to see the truth than our feelings. The good news is that intellect and human knowledge are expanding and every day we can learn something new. Look at the product of the intellect. Technology and science are the products of intellect. They are not perfect but every day we invent new things. Are we to go and live in a cave just because technology and science are not perfect? And we assume that heart is perfect?

Intellect can fail also but there is a better chance to correct it. Intellect is corrigible. The more you learn the more you can rely on your intellect. It is not perfect but it is expanding and is far more reliable than feelings. Our senses say the Earth is flat. Our intellect says it is round. Which one is correct?

Science has its own limitation, and there are numerous natural phenomenons which are not explained by science, but this does not warrant accepting any nonsense just because science has no answers. I don’t know what is in Neptune; does this allow me to believe Neptune is populated by two headed creatures that fly by wiggling their nose? If we don’t know something, it means we don’t know! This is no excuse to invent fairytale and believe in absurdities.

So in essence we must never believe in anything without evidence. If someone claims that s/he has message from God, we must always ask for evidence, and please note, we are not testing God, or asking for evidence for God, but all we are saying is give us the evidence that this path is true, or this message is from God, I feel pity on mental condition of those who had spend 250 $ for buying messages from brighter world, did they asked for evidence that how come these messages are from brighter world? What is the proof that there is indeed a brighter world, and what is the proof that someone is sending messages from brighter world?

One of Shoko Asahara’s followers was Dr. Ikuo Hayashi, a renowned doctor. Following the orders of Asahara, he planted the toxic sarin gas in the subways of Tokyo causing the death of a dozen of people and life injuries to hundreds. Later he confessed that while sitting in the train, he looked at the woman sitting in front of him and said to himself that if he releases this toxic gas, for sure she will die. For a moment he thought he should not do it, but he fought back the thought and convinced himself that God knows best and he should not question the wisdom of Asahara. How could a brilliant scientist of world fame become so fooled? He wept in his trial and strived to find an answer to that question himself. Yet at the moment, he thought he must do whatever his guru says, that it is not up to him to doubt and question the wisdom of God and his representative on Earth. Isn't this exactly how zombies think? Dr. Hayashi is not an evil man. He had done discoveries in medicine. He and his wife, also a doctor, were genuinely good persons. They tried to find better ways to heal people and this was the reason they went after holistic medicine and meditation, which eventually led them to Asahara. These smart people fell prey to a con artist, surrendered their will and intelligence to him, lost their sense of right and wrong and committed murder. All Dr. Hayashi wanted to do was to help people. He ended killing people.

Ikuo Hayashi, a famous doctor who had done so much for medicine, became a terrorist because like these zombies of sahaj marg and like all other believers, including the terrorists, he did not dare to question the wisdom of God. What God? He believed Asahara is a messenger of God. Did he have any proof for that? No, he just followed his heart. These zombies of sahaj marg are doing the same. What proof is there that Chari is representative of God? First give me that proof. Once you accept someone blindly you fight back your own commonsense and say “I am content with the knowledge that God has seen a reason for this”. Have they established first that this path is actually the path to God? How? Is there anyone who has reached anywhere other in the land of misery and pain, where is this so called natural path leading to ? has anyone asked this question as what is the ultimate goal of sahaj marg ? and how do they intend to reach there ? is there anyone (ANYONE) in sahaj marg since 1945, who has reached the so called destination? Leader of this cult has become a criminal, so has numerous other followers of this cult, is this why one joins sahaj marg ? to become a terrorist ? It is better to follow Islam, to become a terrorist than to follow sahaj marg. Atleast they are good terrorists, and respect their family, and do not strike inside their own home, but these zombies of sahaj marg are worst, they strike in their own home, there cannot be anything more worst then sahaj marg. No other faith instigates so much hatred against ones own family spouse and children than sahaj marg.

These zombies of sahaj marg have fallen into the same trap that Dr. Hayashi fell. they believe without any evidence. If Hayashi was wrong, what is the guarantee that that Chari is right? Hayashi was a smart man and famous for his work. Eventually became a terrorist.

Hence in essence if you follow only your heart, probability of becoming a terrorist is more, and if you follow your brain, one cannot become a terrorist.