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		<title>Return to Aquamole</title>
		<link href="http://forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=18515&amp;sid=391b832c96bfb656f16812a82024db02"/>
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			<name>Caver Keith</name>
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		<published>2024-11-28T11:43:56Z</published>
		<updated>2024-11-28T11:43:56Z</updated>
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			<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">This is a 10 minute edit of my film Return to Aquamole. The complete film was premiered in the Underground Session at the Kendal Mountain Festival on Friday 22nd November 2024.<br /><br />In 1974 legendary cave diver Geoff Yeadon was the first to pass the 168 metre sump upstream from Rowten Pot in Kingsdale Valley. He discovered the impressive 40 metre high Aquamole Aven.<br /><br />Geoff retired from cave diving in 1997.<br /><br />In the winter 2000 Rupe Skorupka and Martin Holroyd scaled Aquamole Aven to a height of 50 metres. It pinched out, but they were able to gain access to a second series of inlet passages, the top of which was radio-located to a point 10 metres below the surface.<br />Rupe was joined by Bob Jacklin and members of the Northern Speleological Group and work started in January 2002 to dig out a surface shaft. Aquamole Aven was finally connected to the surface in June 2002.<br /><br />A trip beginning by descending Aquamole Pot, as it is now named, to exit at Valley Entrance is now a classic through trip for cave divers and is considered to be a somewhat of a right of passage for the new generation of underwater cave explorers. In spite of his underground discoveries in Kingsdale Valley it was a trip that Geoff Yeadon had never done.<br /><br />However, on Sunday the 6th August 2023, Geoff supported by a team of over 20 cavers and cave divers, was persuaded out of retirement to complete for the first time this classic descent and cave dive.<br /><br /><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WzYp5X79tn8"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WzYp5X79tn8" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object></div>
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		<title>Re: Ownership issues of entrance and caverns on our property</title>
		<link href="http://forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=18222&amp;sid=391b832c96bfb656f16812a82024db02"/>
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			<name>AdamGrover</name>
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		<published>2024-11-06T07:38:48Z</published>
		<updated>2024-11-06T07:38:48Z</updated>
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			<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><blockquote><div><cite>Unknowngal wrote:</cite>As stated in the subject, we own property with a large opening on it and the property sits over the main room of a commercial cave that has been in business since 1991. The people that bought the property to have it cleared for a tourist attraction initially bought it along with our nieghbors property and home (which was leveled and turned in to a parking lot/picnic area) but they stated that our property wasn't overtop of any of the cave that would be used as the attraction. Fast forward to a decade ago and I began to help conduct tours and also have started doing research and have become very familiar with this cave system and now I can CLEARLY see what part they said wouldn't be used is in fact the entire main room of the show cave. If it were to be mapped I'm absolutely sure it would show this to be the case as I can tell by the layout of the land and while on a small portion of a bridge, you can even see the opening to which is on OUR property. There's water that runs through this opening which is why we can't just walk on in to the cave without being in 44 degree water up to our chins. We don't have thousands of dollars to give to an attorney for this but are saving up for one. In the meantime, is there anything else we can do and what rights DO we have? I know a little about real estate an it states that as a rule you own "sky high and hell deep" so do I have the right to walk in and use the cave? What about if I wanted to conduct further research and bring in other researchers or specialists to do their research? They found a mastadon tooth in the water under our property just last summer and instead of taking it to be looked about they gave it to their PIT BULL TO CHEW ON <img src="http://forums.caves.org/images/smilies/yikes.gif" alt=":yikes:" title="Yikes!" /> ! I damn near died and asked if I could have it instead and was shot down. That was the straw that broke the camels back. This place is going to cause loss of future information that could be obtained from the deep water that is in this cave and it's like a time capsule that is a hidden gem in my opinion. I have and so has the business owner, found many arrowheads and other artifacts in the creek bed that runs through the cave. Any suggestions about anything would be appreciated greatly and thank you ahead of time!  <img src="http://forums.caves.org/images/smilies/bananabat.gif" alt=":bananabat:" title="bananabat" /></div></blockquote><br />What did you end up doing with the property? <span style="font-size: 1%; line-height: 116%;">I have a property in <a href="https://mybakersfieldrealtor.com/shedding-light-on-bakersfield-zip-code-93308/" class="postlink">bakersfield</a></span></div>
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		<title>Delete</title>
		<link href="http://forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&amp;t=18510&amp;sid=391b832c96bfb656f16812a82024db02"/>
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			<name>bcbmammoth</name>
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		<published>2024-11-05T13:39:48Z</published>
		<updated>2024-11-05T13:39:48Z</updated>
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			<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Delete</div>
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