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		<title>Gilgamesh and the Original “Original Sin”: Unsucky English Lecture 9 (part one)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #808080;">[The Unsucky English <em>Gilgamesh </em>series so far: 1: <a href="../2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/">Dangerous Questions</a> ~ 2: <a href="../2008/08/31/gilgamesh-2/">The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job</a> ~ 3: <a href="../2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/">Adam and Eve, Backwards</a> ~ 4. <a href="../2008/09/12/gilgamesh-4-blessings-of-the-flesh/">The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards</a> ~ 5. <a href="../2008/09/23/gilgamesh5nature/">Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards</a> ~ 6. <a href="../2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/">Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man</a> ~ 7. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/">A Goddess Prays</a> ~ 8. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/">The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets</a>]<sup>1</sup></p>
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<p>A good thousand years before the Israelites were putting the final touches, in their scriptures, on the God of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims,<sup>2</sup> the Mesopotamian gods of <em>Gilgamesh </em>were already ancient. And a good thousand years before Adam and Eve committed their first sin and brought death into the world by disobeying that God<sup>3</sup>, the &#8220;Adam&#8221; of the Sumerians &#8211; Gilgamesh&#8217;s sidekick, Enkidu &#8211; had committed his earlier &#8220;original sin.&#8221;<sup>4</sup></p>
<p>In this lecture, I&#8217;m going to argue that Enkidu&#8217;s &#8220;sin&#8221; &#8212; which had nothing to do with disobeying any god, nor with his epic and far-from-shameful <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/">sex with Shamhat</a> &#8212; cost our race far more than Adam and Eve&#8217;s. And we&#8217;re only now, in this generation, really able to appreciate that truth. Call it a 4,000-year-old prophecy that we&#8217;re now seeing unfold all around us.</p>
<p>It happens in Book V of <em>Gilgamesh</em>, and for the life of this modern, scientifically-minded skeptic, this &#8220;prophecy&#8221; is far more true and far more disturbing than anything we see in Eden, or perhaps in the whole Bible. If it doesn&#8217;t haunt you a bit by the end of this lecture, then one of us has problems.</p>
<p>The funny thing is, it happens in such a subtle form that it&#8217;s easy to miss. And it&#8217;s that subtlety that makes me want to state, for the millionth time in this series, that the poets who wrote <em>Gilgamesh</em> were among humanity&#8217;s finest ever.</p>
<p>Funnier still, it happens in the very suckiest episode in all of <em>Gilgamesh</em>: the slaying of the monster Humbaba.</p>
<p>Predictably, the well-meaning sadists who produce our suckiest literature textbook anthologies seem to always inflict this episode on our high school students. These out of touch souls seem to think teens will find monster-slaying scenes really cool. Between movies like Harry Potter that let us see and hear monsters like the Dementors almost sucking our souls out, and video games that let us chop the bastards&#8217; heads off ourselves and be covered in their blood and gore, this Humbaba scene in <em>Gilgamesh</em> doesn&#8217;t stand a chance. It ranks about as high on today&#8217;s adventure scale as an exposed Victorian ankle ranks on the scale of modern sexiness.</p>
<p>So fear not: this English teacher isn&#8217;t going to insult your intelligence by arguing that this this chapter is good for its scary monster. There&#8217;s terror enough in this chapter &#8211; reality-based terror, at least in my reading of it &#8211; for us to need no supernatural special effects.</p>
<h2>Background: Before the Divine Divorce</h2>
<p>Adam and Eve&#8217;s original sin reflects a recent, radical stage in the <a href="http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/introduction-to-the-old-testament-hebrew-bible/content/transcripts/transcript02.html">evolution of Israelite religion</a>: the separation of the divine from the realm of Nature. It&#8217;s the first religion we know of that saw God <em>outside</em> of Nature, <em>transcending </em>it. Unlike all the other religions in the Near East up to that time, the Jewish religion saw God not as <em>created within </em>Nature, but as <em>creator of </em>it. So it makes sense that the &#8220;original sin&#8221; in the book of <em>Genesis</em> is disobeying that God. He&#8217;s the King, the Lord, the Master of the Universe. He ordered Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of a certain tree, and they disobeyed. That&#8217;s the sin.</p>
<p>We can play with some of the depths of this myth some other time, because there&#8217;s much more beneath the surface of this seemingly silly &#8220;I told you not to eat that fruit&#8221; story. But the point I want to make here is that this myth only makes sense within the revolutionary worldview of a certain set of Hebrews around 1,000 BCE. It <em>doesn&#8217;t </em>make sense inside the older Mesopotamian view of the <em>Gilgamesh</em> poets.</p>
<p><em>Their</em> gods are <em>not</em> divorced from Nature. They live in it, they have natural bodies and functions, they even have divine <em>animals</em> like the Bull of Heaven (which, as we see later when it takes what the British might call an &#8220;epic shite&#8221; on Enkidu, has divine-but-natural bodily functions).</p>
<p>As importantly, there&#8217;s no &#8220;Master of the Universe&#8221; god in the Mesopotamian worldview, so there&#8217;s nobody to give absolute &#8220;commandments&#8221; like &#8220;Thou shalt not eat that fruit.&#8221; One god might be stronger than another, but that doesn&#8217;t make him or her all-powerful over <em>all</em> the others. Remember from Lecture 1 that these gods, additionally, don&#8217;t seem to think the Biblical god&#8217;s authoritarian commandments are the best way to deal with humans anyway: they didn&#8217;t punish Gilgamesh for deflowering all his subjects&#8217; brides, and they didn&#8217;t command him to stop &#8211; or, as so often in the Bible, declare he be stoned to death. Instead, they pulled that totally mysterious and totally cool trick of creating Enkidu to somehow, wtf?, give Gilgamesh an experience that will wise him up and make him stop being such a royal ass. In short, they weren&#8217;t punishing &#8220;sin&#8221; &#8211; they were curing stupidity.</p>
<p>And yet I still claim that Enkidu, in Book V, commits an &#8220;original sin.&#8221; So what gives?</p>
<h2>A Question of Balance</h2>
<p>Let&#8217;s recap Enkidu&#8217;s story, because <em>Enkidu is more interesting than Gilgamesh in this episode.</em> It ain&#8217;t about the hero here.</p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve seen, Enkidu starts as a sort of &#8220;wild-man Adam,&#8221; created out of dust and outside of civilization, to be the &#8220;balance&#8221; who will &#8220;bring peace&#8221; to Gilgamesh and his city.<sup>5</sup>  Unlike Adam, Enkidu lives in a nature that we recognize as realistically Darwinian: animals prey on other animals in Enkidu&#8217;s Nature, and Enkidu seems one animal among many in the way he drinks at the watering hole with them and runs as fast as the gazelles. The only difference we see between Enkidu and the other animals is his role in <em>defending</em> animals from predators. So Enkidu seems compassionate, and in a very specific and important sense: he&#8217;s compassionate <em>toward natural creatures.</em> His most outstanding trait, in this stage of innocence, is that he&#8217;s a <em>defender of Nature.</em></p>
<p>Then along comes the prostitute Shamhat, you&#8217;ll remember, and her civilizing mission: she seduces him into civilization with that epic six-day roll in the hay (and boy, how Enkidu must have needed, like that later god in <em>Genesis</em>, to take a day of rest on the seventh). Similar to Samson, Enkidu loses much of his physical power after this epic sex scene, can&#8217;t sprint like he used to, and so forth &#8211; but he gains language, the ability to share ideas and conversation, the need for friendship, and the desire to follow Shamhat into the city and meet Gilgamesh. <em>Still, </em>though, Enkidu seems <em>not </em>to have lost his character as the <em>compassionate defender</em>: he wants to fight Gilgamesh after hearing of his bride-stealing ass-hattery.</p>
<p>Remember the &#8220;<a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/">double that balances</a>&#8221; motif? The &#8220;balance&#8221; seems to be thrown off when natural Enkidu leaves the wild, and crosses the gateway into civilized Gilgamesh&#8217;s city. It&#8217;s like both guys are now sitting on the same side of the see-saw &#8211; the city side. Nature&#8217;s left hanging in mid-air now.</p>
<p>Then they fight, Enkidu loses, and he and Gilgamesh become fast friends. Enkidu likes clothes and bread and beer, and life is good &#8211; until Gilgamesh gets that royally wild hair up his royally dumb ass to go kill Humbaba, who he calls a &#8220;monster.&#8221;<sup>6</sup></p>
<p>Enkidu, Defender of Animals, tells Gilgamesh it&#8217;s a really bad idea to kill Humbaba, and reminds him that he&#8217;s not just a monster: he&#8217;s the divinely-appointed Guardian of the Cedar Forest. Enlil put him there to keep the forest, which is sacred to the gods, untouched by man, and <em>off-limits to him</em>.</p>
<p>Gilgamesh cares no more for the virgin forest than he cares for the virginity of his brides. Whether he&#8217;s taking his metaphorical axe to the virgin brides, or his literal one to the virgin cedars, it&#8217;s all the same to this swaggering dumb jock of a king: if it redounds to his glory and gives him an heroic notch for his belt, his name won&#8217;t die and he&#8217;ll achieve everlasting fame.</p>
<p>After Enkidu loses the argument, he tries to get the city elders to talk sense into Gilgamesh with their religious &#8220;knowledge&#8221; and urgings to fear the gods. At their pious warning that no human could succeed at this task against the gods&#8217; will, Gilgamesh laughs possibly the <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/">first heretic&#8217;s laugh</a> in history &#8211; or literature, anyway &#8211; and off he and Enkidu go to slay the monster.<sup>7</sup></p>
<p>Off they go, straight through the gate <em>from civilization, </em>and <em>back into Nature. </em>Our &#8220;balance that doubles&#8221; motif has now seen both men jump onto the Nature side of the see-saw. Now it&#8217;s civilization that&#8217;s left hanging in mid-air &#8211; and hanging, the way I see it, fatefully.</p>
<h2>The Original Sin &#8211; Literally</h2>
<p>By the logic of the &#8220;double that balances&#8221; motif, everything hangs on Enkidu now. He originally balanced the civilization-symbol Gilgamesh by being the Nature-symbol &#8220;defender of animals&#8221; in the wild. He threw things out of balance by &#8220;crossing over&#8221; to civilization. Now we&#8217;ve got Gilgamesh crossing over into Enkidu&#8217;s original realm with him, balancing Enkidu&#8217;s earlier &#8220;crossing-over.&#8221; We know Gilgamesh has predatory motives for this trip: he&#8217;s going to kill the Forest Guardian, and chop down the &#8220;highest cedars.&#8221; So the question is, is Enkidu going to stay true to his original role, when he was &#8220;innocent&#8221; and Adam-like, of <em>defending</em> nature&#8217;s creatures <em>against</em> predators &#8211; even if the predator is now his friend and king?<sup>8</sup></p>
<p>(to be continued)</p>
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<p>This may help explain why the Judeo-Christian story of humanity&#8217;s &#8220;state of nature&#8221; &#8211; the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 &#8211; rings so false, while the Sumerian story of Enkidu rings more true: the authors of Genesis came too late in our history to have any ancestral memory of man&#8217;s true, historical state of nature. What we know now of human evolution tells us the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is fiction &#8211; fiction with depths that give it the status of a fascinating myth, in the best sense of the word, but fiction nonetheless. Not so for the Sumerians and, through them &#8211; via Gilgamesh &#8211; the Babylonians. Since the people of Uruk were among the first to transition from neolithic life within nature to civilized life isolated from it, it&#8217;s no wonder that the story of Enkidu living as an animal among animals in nature is much closer to the truth of human evolution as we now know it through science. Unlike Adam and Eve, then, which is clearly a myth, Enkidu is just as clearly closer to history. Yes, he was made, like Adam, from clay, but the similarity ends there. Enkidu is not in any paradisal Eden, living a life of pre-lapsarian ease; he&#8217;s more of a primate living a Darwinian existence, drinking among other animals at a watering hole, fighting off predators in the kill-or-be-killed struggle to survive in the wild. He has the ring of less of myth than of legend &#8211; of something closer to dimly-remembered truth.</li><li id="footnote_5_2155" class="footnote">In his Introduction to <em>Gilgamesh</em>, Stephen Mitchell, who wrote the version of the epic I&#8217;m primarily using for these lectures, compares Gilgamesh here to our previous Royal Dumb-Ass in Chief George W. Bush when he decided to invade Iraq, and it&#8217;s an interesting parallel. I&#8217;m going for a reading less topical and more timeless here, though.</li><li id="footnote_6_2155" class="footnote">Now give me a medal, because I just summarized the 10,000 or so words of all the previous lectures in a few paragraphs.</li><li id="footnote_7_2155" class="footnote">And while we&#8217;re at it, it&#8217;s worth getting abstract for a second to entertain the idea that, on the symbolic level, Enkidu <em>is</em> Humbaba, in a sense. They&#8217;re both, after all, guardians of nature. If Gilgamesh kills Humbaba, he&#8217;s in a weird sense also killing Enkidu. Maybe that&#8217;s a stretch, but reading symbols often is. Whatever.</li></ol><hr><h2>9 Comments</h2> <ul><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8016">June 28, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hi Clay - I'm glad to think about Gilgamesh again -</p><p>This seems a question of who is civilized, if you excuse the term.  Enkidu seems to have - like all good protagonists - the choice to change.  But change to what?</p><p>Enkidu can choose to live with nature or above nature.  Gilgamesh seems to have made his choice.  He feels that he is above nature or that nature is there to serve him. </p><p><i>(Christianity translates this in Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." [king james]</i>  It's ordained.  But I like Enkidu's choice better.</p><p></p><p>Enkidu can choose to not play god. Who do we wish to be?</p><p></p><p>On another topic - <i>Lolita</i>. I sat in a meeting the other day with three left-brained white male English teachers - and one admitted that the reason he wouldn't dream of teaching the book was his fear of the parent body. So sad.  I just found it creepy as a 17 year old, so my prejudice is just as bad. I return to teach 12 year olds, so Nabokov is not on the syllabus.</p><p>.-= Kate&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/tears/" rel="nofollow">Four types of tears</a> =-.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8018">June 28, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>I'll hold off on Enkidu's choice since it's the subject of the next installment, but as for the English teachers, I can't fault them for fearing for their livelihoods (and I know you're not, either). It's just another factor of schooliness that keeps us from hitting teens educationally where they probably already live.
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</p><p>And I certainly wouldn't expect 12 year olds to handle it - except for the occasional ilk of Dolores....</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8219">July 23, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English Lecture 8: The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [Next: Lecture 9: Gilgamesh and the Original &quot;Original Sin&quot;] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8220">July 23, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 1: On Gilgamesh | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [This post had major problems in its original draft. I heavily edited it for all you stumblers. Later posts in the &quot;Unsucky Gilgamesh&quot; series: 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets 9. The Original &quot;Original Sin&quot;] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8338">August 30, 2009</a>, <a href='http://teachers.saschina.org/jchambers' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Jonathan Chambers</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay, I just received my first "Gilgamesh SPAM"... take it as a compliment, or as a dementor/scary monster, or possibly as yet another actor in the polytheistic mythological tradition?  
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</p><p>Jungian sensibilities (and vast series of Joseph Campbell lectures) aside, I hope you're enjoying Singapore, and that they "get you".</p><p>.-= Jonathan Chambers&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://teachers.saschina.org/jchambers/2009/08/27/its-a-goal-2/" rel="nofollow">It’s a goal!</a> =-.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8356">September 6, 2009</a>, Tamara wrote:
</p><p>I am 34 yrs old and in the second year ( nearly third)of college trying to get my teaching degree.
</p><p>My English class is doing essays on Gilgamesh.
</p><p>I am having trouble with some of the answers required in all the symbolism within the epic. Can you help me to understand the symbolism between woman, evil and the relationship of civilization to nature?
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</p><p>If you can,..it would help tutor me in something that has long since been studied. I hate to fail and love to learn and am dis-satisfied with myself that something I read nearly 20 years ago has so escaped me. I do not wish to sound incoherent or just plain dumb.
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</p><p>Sincere thanks,
</p><p>Tamara</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8357">September 6, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Tamara, I'm so sorry to answer this way, but beyond what I've written in the nine posts so far, I don't have time to discuss G right now. I'm in the middle of week 3 of my first year teaching in a new school in a new country, and barely have time to breathe.
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</p><p>I will say that symbols are something that are inferred by the reader anyway, so there are no clear-cut right/wrong answers to the types of questions you asked, as much as there are well-argued and -supported versus weakly-argued and -supported answers.
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</p><p>Have you talked to your prof or other students in your class? Prayed to Google for insights? Read the book again, and its preface/intro? (Mitchell's intro is longer than his translation. It may help.)
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</p><p>Good luck,
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</p><p>Clay</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8359">September 8, 2009</a>, <a href='http://gaiatribe.geekuniversalis.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Elizabeth Barrette</a> wrote:
</p><p>This is a wonderful analysis of Gilgamesh, particularly the original sin being Enkidu's abandonment of Nature.  Indeed, compare the land then and now: the Fertile Crescent is pretty much all desert today, with no forests left to hold the water table in place.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/#comment-8385">October 2, 2009</a>, Joel wrote:
</p><p>Hi Clay
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</p><p>Discovered this site today looking for Gilgamesh (link on Wikipedia) and enjoyed immensely your observations on the story. I've been reading it but unlike your dream student did not initially appreciate the depths of symbolism contained within. This has notched-up my already significant interest in the ancient world. 
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</p><p>I guess I'm commenting in hope that the series continues. Your site reminds me of the brilliant philosophy blog by Todd Park Mohr, which seemed to collapse pretty much as soon as I'd discovered it. Just hoping this one doesn't go the same way. I know you're busy but just thought I'd express my interest.
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</p><p>I'll put the ancient wisdon on hold in the meantime and explore the other topics you've posted. 
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</p><p>I also wondered if you'd considered an audio podcast? Then I could listen in the car which would be sweet.</p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="2155" /></p></form>

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[I thought this post would be a farewell to Seoul. Instead, it wanted to be something I should have written three years ago, when I ended my six years in Shanghai. It won. I'll say bye to Korea later. And isn't writing a wonderful thing.]
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<p>[I thought this post would be a farewell to Seoul. Instead, it wanted to be something I should have written three years ago, when I ended my six years in Shanghai. It won. I'll say bye to Korea later. And isn't writing a wonderful thing.]</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s probably normal to hit a &#8220;regrets&#8221; stage when you close out your time in a foreign land. All the things you didn&#8217;t do, didn&#8217;t appreciate, didn&#8217;t explore. I&#8217;m certainly there. I leave Seoul for Singapore in a month, the next strange chapter in this stranger&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made no secret over the last three years about my luke-warm to icy feelings regarding Korea. But really, Korea never had a fair shake with me. I came here after six years in Shanghai, for crying out loud, one of the most friendly and colorful and dynamic and blessedly cheap metropolises in the world. I learned enough Mandarin while there to be able to engage the Shanghainese in surprisingly meaty conversations, with the added entertainment value for my Chinese interlocutors that I carried them out with the vocab and grammar of a four-year-old. Learning babyspeak made it fun to be a stupid foreigner there.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the fact that for China, a swarm of foreigners is a new experience. The Chinese borders were closed to the world until very recently, so we foreigners are items of extreme exoticism and curiosity there. And Shanghai and the other big cities have also seen an influx of migrants from the under-developed central and western regions of China &#8211; peasants who have never seen a <em>weiguoren</em>, a &#8220;white devil.&#8221; Bonus points if you&#8217;re of African descent: I&#8217;ve known such people who&#8217;ve told me the Chinese walked up to them and, without a word, touched their skin and hair in wonder.</p>
<p>All of this, in a word, makes living in China as a foreigner a constant form of <em>play</em>.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the flip side: China&#8217;s 50-year isolation after the Communist Revolution means that it&#8217;s blessedly non-Westernized. Away from the tourist and shopping districts in the cities&#8217; shiny new centers, in the traditional city neighborhoods, the city outskirts, the small towns and villages, and the countryside, there are no signs of Western <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">civilization</span> consumerism. No Starbucks or Burger Kings or damnable WalMarts or Gaps. Instead, there are mom-and-pop markets, farmers&#8217; markets, noodle shops, karaoke bars, fabric markets full of tailors, foot-rub and massage parlors. There are as many bicycles as cars in this purer, disappearing China &#8211; and these bicycles, often ancient, battered, rickety and wobbly, are a breed far removed from the status-conscious Treks and whatnots that would cost many Chinese a full year&#8217;s salary. Grandmas and grandpas ride these old bikes as their primary form of transportation, their &#8220;cars.&#8221; Young couples ride them tandem, the beau pedaling and his girl sitting primly sidesaddle on the rear rack, on sunny days topped by a lovely umbrella to shield her fair skin from the sun. They ride slowly, often well-dressed, and you can hear them conversing as they go. They often stare or doubletake at you as they glide by. &#8220;<em>Weiguoren&#8230;.</em>hallo!&#8221; Toothy smiles. Play.</p>
<p>Grandmas squat on the sidewalk with their squatting grandchildren, steadying them so they can pee on the sidewalk without mishap. It&#8217;s normal &#8211; and really, foreigner, relax. How dirty can baby-pee be? Mothers carry their babies in jumpers designed to expose their bottoms, a daily parade of babies&#8217; butts. Barber shops full of migrant peasant girls staring out the windows, almost never working, instead watching TV or chatting and eating together, or napping. They&#8217;ll take you upstairs and give you an hour&#8217;s massage for ten bucks. Sometimes &#8220;massage&#8221; is more broadly defined than it is in the West, without seeming seedy at all. The moral world is different here too,  much more accepting and far less ashamed of Nature. If massages are to relax all of the body, the thinking seems to go, then it only makes sense that the whole body be massaged.</p>
<p>And the wonder of the public parks in China: already at six a.m. they&#8217;re alive. Grandmas in military formation under a willow, led by a grandma with a ghetto-blaster playing traditional Chinese folk songs. They dance with swords, red fans, red scarves that fly in synchronous arcs as the old gals twirl. Grandpas carry their pet birds or crickets in bamboo cages, hang them on low tree branches, and sit under them with other grandpas on portable stools. Rainbow bridges arc over their upside-down reflections in the canals. The willows rustle, the birds sing. Peasants beat the sun to lay their daily harvest on the sidewalk, barter with the locals buying their daily vegetables. They weigh them on notched bamboo sticks suspended by a string, with counterweighing stones on one end. The big smiles, the missing teeth, the bowed backs from decades in the fields. The thatched hats.</p>
<p>The neighborhood park is also a free gym. More grandmas and grandpas, fathers and mothers, teens and children swarm the simple machines for their daily workout. They wear leather dress shoes with cheap gym suits or pajamas &#8211; pajamas, you&#8217;d been told, are a status symbol, since owning a pair means you have money to spare. They wear dress shirts and pants, they wear anything and everything as they do their sit-ups and back-stretches and presses. You see your neighbor &#8211; the one who had the chicken tethered to his front patio for several days until yesterday, when you happened by as he was wringing its neck in preparation for the night&#8217;s dinner &#8211; doing pull-ups. The sun is still not yet up.</p>
<p>After the sun goes down, these people fill the park for different activities. Young couples sit on its hillocks in the dark, next to the reflective pond and mechanical waterfall, away from their crowded apartments, to feast on their privacy together. Young and old alike fill the park&#8217;s circular center plaza, where yet another grandma with a boom-box fills the twilit sky with ballroom dance music. Old and young waltz, foxtrot, tango; they do it man with woman, man with man, woman with woman, young with old. They do it with four-year-olds. They see the <em>weiguoren </em>and pull him out to shake a leg, laughing at his baby-talk with those smiles, those missing teeth, those other perfections.</p>
<p>Looking at all of these people &#8211; the ancient ones most of all &#8211; it dawns on you that you, of all the foreigners teaching at your school and living in this neighborhood at the edge of Shanghai&#8217;s sprawl, may be the luckiest. Unlike you, they&#8217;ve been teaching algebra, or physics, or literature or phys. ed., while you, blessedly, have been teaching the history of China &#8211; the history of these very people dancing around you, dancing <em>with </em>you, at the park. Looking into the old folks&#8217; bright and wizened eyes, at the lacework lining their faces, you&#8217;re struck by the fact that these very same people so happy around you now lived, decades ago, through the hardships of the Civil War, the Japanese Invasion, the Great Leap Forward, the Great Famine, the Cultural Revolution. How many of them have seen starvation, war, re-education, labor camps? How many loved ones have they lost &#8211; or been betrayed by? And yet here they are now, leading you in a dance whose steps finally, after a century-long nightmare, are light and joyous. Christ, the presence of old Chuang-tse laughing down the Tao,  and of the imperturbable old Buddha mindful that this too shall pass &#8211; both are palpable in them all.</p>
<p>All of <em>this</em>, in a word, makes living in China as a foreigner a constant encounter with a truly different world. These people, with their cramped, dingy apartments and their dates on their battered old bicycles, with their bad teeth and their conspicuous pajamas, with their $100 a month incomes &#8211; they are poor, looked at with one set of eyes. But looked at through different eyes, that see wealth in terms unrelated to income, they&#8217;re among the richest people I&#8217;ve ever known.</p>
<p>If I ever have the chance to live there again, I&#8217;ll probably take it. No country &#8211; America included, America <em>especially</em> &#8211; has ever suited me like China has. If that luck doesn&#8217;t come my way, I count myself among the blessed for the experience. I know that&#8217;s sentimental, but it&#8217;s no less true for that.</p>
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<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 394px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/teepi/10634171/sizes/o/"><img title="The dance." src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/10634171_a8d4d7015c_o.jpg" alt="The dance." width="384" height="126" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The dance.</p></div>
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<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 369px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/silverlinedwinnebago/433215965/"><img title="Umbrella" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/433215965_f561754bc8.jpg?v=0" alt="A simple grace." width="359" height="239" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A simple grace.</p></div>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jijis008/831551999/"><img title="A natural thing." src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1161/831551999_f505c5c839.jpg?v=0" alt="" width="300" height="290" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A natural thing.</p></div>
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<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 368px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/leniners/2284977041/"><img title="Morning tai chi." src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2179/2284977041_5aee79eef2.jpg?v=0" alt="Morning Tai Chi at the Bund." width="358" height="239" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Morning Tai Chi at the Bund.</p></div>
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<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 369px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/hleung/2641978944/"><img title="Commuting." src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2641978944_4ebce332f8.jpg?v=0" alt="Primary transportation." width="359" height="238" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Primary transportation.</p></div>
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<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 372px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ficken/1843552803/"><img title="Still life." src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2081/1843552803_4a2e88fcdb.jpg?v=0" alt="Still life." width="362" height="272" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Still life.</p></div>
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<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 384px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/courambel/506064395/"><img title="The wealth." src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/506064395_f15c88546d.jpg?v=0" alt="The wealth." width="374" height="280" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The wealth</p></div>
<div id="attachment_2194" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 383px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2194" title="Youth in China" src="http://beyond-school.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Youth-in-China-300x232.jpg" alt="A lesson in youthfulness." width="373" height="287" /><p class="wp-caption-text">A lesson in youthfulness.</p></div>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 385px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/xiaming/66753831/"><img title="Romance." src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/66753831_322358fd80.jpg?v=0" alt="Young love." width="375" height="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Timeless.</p></div>
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</p><p>What a beautiful farewell! You captured the beauty of it all just perfectly. I spent 30 days traveling all around China and was amazed at the simpleness that surrounded me yet people seemed happy there. It reminds me of a simpler time here in the US when people seemed happier. Thanks so much for sharing and bringing back wonderful memories for me.</p><p>[rq=13738,0,blog][/rq]<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SuccessfulTeaching/~3/srXS6q2qfLs/future-carnival-of-education-host.html" rel="nofollow">Future Carnival of Education Host</a></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7968">June 15, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Thanks Pat. That simplicity is something that could civilize the West, isn't it? And maybe save the world.
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</p><p>I know, I know - China's gone into industrial-consumer overdrive. But so many of the people don't seem to have lost that simplicity despite that....</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7971">June 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://dmcordell.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>diane</a> wrote:
</p><p>Thank you for sharing this Valentine to China. How different from my daily life, how basic, how charming. It is the gentleness and quiet dignity of the people that sounds so appealing. Your word pictures are as lovely as your photographs.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7973">June 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.sharingourjourney.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Ann and Billy</a> wrote:
</p><p>Loved your post. We are currently in China, living our first year in Nanjing. We lived 3 years in Hong Kong and loved that, then 2 years in Africa. While Africa was a great adventure, Hong Kong remained our "home." Now, we are loving a different view of China. We identified so strongly with all of your observations - and so very well written! My white devil husband of senior age with gray/white beard and long ponytail gets LOTs of stares. We are so fortunate to be in this country at this time, you can feel history being created all around you.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7978">June 17, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>It is a Valentine, isn't it?
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</p><p>It's weird how central the public park is to daily life there, and how absent from American life. Think about the social and health benefits, all at no cost.
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</p><p>I think it has much to do with the centrality of the bicycle to Chinese culture, and of the automobile to American. Our cars take us too far from our community for parks to be as important...</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7979">June 17, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Ann (?) Billy (?), 
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</p><p>I can see why you liked HK. I spent a week or so there. And I spent a week in Nanjing, which I think is one of the most beautiful cities in China - the trees and broad streets there were things hard to find in Shanghai.
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</p><p>Enjoy your time!</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7982">June 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://teacherbootcamp.edublogs.org/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>ShellTerrell</a> wrote:
</p><p>This is a beautiful recount of your life in Shanghai. I enjoyed the words as much as the beautiful photographs. Currently, I'm an expat living in Germany and in the next few years I hope to be making way to Japan, Korea, and possibly China. These are places my students are from and live and I promised to come visit and possibly stay for a while?! I am so glad I came across your blog through your beautiful sonnet. I am including your blog in my blog roll and hope some minds will be transformed in the process. Your blog reads more like an adventure than a blog.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7984">June 18, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Shell, thanks for the kind words. Where in Germany are you? I was stationed in Wuerzburg in the late '90s, about midway between Frankfurt and Munich in Franconia (sp?). It's a great country to live in. Hope you're enjoying it. And what school are you teaching in?
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</p><p>Clay</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-7987">June 19, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.teacherbootcamp.edublogs.org/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>shellterrell</a> wrote:
</p><p>I am right by Wuerzburg in Stuttgart. It's probably about 1 1/2 away. I teach English at the Deutsch Amerikanische Zentrum. There are several here. I really do enjoy Germany and living abroad. I'm sure this will be the first stop of many expat adventures!</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-8000">June 24, 2009</a>, Chuck wrote:
</p><p>Love the article. I can't get enough of these stories. Warms my cold, cold heart. I wish to experience this some day, next year maybe.
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</p><p>weiguoren, doesn't “white devil”, that's gwolow. weiguoren literally means "outside-contry-person. They are surprising sensitive now?!</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-8004">June 26, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>You're right, <em>weiguoren</em> means foreigner. Didn't mean to imply that it means "white devil," but I sure did, didn't I?</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-8166">July 11, 2009</a>, haochuan(raddish from NJ) wrote:
</p><p>Peace be with you.I'm from Nanjing and i can feel what you have said. Despite more and more skyscrapers built, i can still tell the unique character of my city. But one of my Indonesian friend who once visited my city seemed favouring Zara and other "danmed" consumerism places more, she guess she would have tasted the real beauty of my city if she stayed longer. now in Singapore, a tasteless, ordourless city, but not as boring as people say.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-8173">July 13, 2009</a>, Karen wrote:
</p><p>Clay you experienced so much living outside the confines of a western housing compound.  It is the contact with the corner shopkeeper, the bread maker, the person who stops to first size you up in the park then engage in conversation that enriches our experience in a foreign land.  It is more of those encounters that I'll be seeking as I set out on my travels.  I too have said my good-byes to Shanghai.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-8218">July 23, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Karen G, if that's you, it's really nice to hear from you. Drop me a line in "contact me" and let me know what's up with you. I'm in Singapore, Day 2, apartment-hunting. It's not as funky as Shanghai, but much cooler than Seoul. I'm looking forward to everything. Hope you are too :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-8302">August 17, 2009</a>, Kendall wrote:
</p><p>I've lived in Beijing for 7.5 years now....
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</p><p>I really appreciate the grace with which you have stated your love for China. Sometimes being caught in the middle of it, I don't see the beauty of it anymore. It takes that kind of retrospect to see it for what it truly is. It's true, I love China very much. But I've always had a hard time putting it into words. Thanks!</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/15/a-belated-goodbye-to-china/#comment-8311">August 20, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Grace is a word that fits so much of China well. Thanks for the kind words and know I'm jealous that you're still there. I'm in Singapore now, and it's okay, but it ain't Zhonguo.</p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="2136" /></p></form>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #808080;">[The Unsucky English <em>Gilgamesh </em>series so far: 1: <a href="../2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/">Dangerous Questions</a> ~ 2: <a href="../2008/08/31/gilgamesh-2/">The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job</a> ~ 3: <a href="../2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/">Adam and Eve, Backwards</a> ~ 4. <a href="../2008/09/12/gilgamesh-4-blessings-of-the-flesh/">The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards</a> ~ 5. <a href="../2008/09/23/gilgamesh5nature/">Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards</a> ~ 6. <a href="../2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/">Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man</a> ~ 7. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/">A Goddess Prays</a> ~ 8. This Lecture ~ 9. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/">The <em>Original</em> Original Sin</a> ]<sup>1</sup></p>
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<p>I have a love-snore relationship with Book IV of <em>Gilgamesh</em>. On first read, in fact, it was snore-only, and no love. That changed on the second read, so stay with me.</p>
<p><strong>First, the Snores</strong></p>
<p>On the surface, it&#8217;s a tedious chapter that recounts the journey of Gilgamesh and Enkidu from the gates of Uruk to the edge of the Cedar Forest, home of the &#8220;evil&#8221; monster/&#8221;sacred&#8221; forest guardian Humbaba, whom Gilgamesh has decided to kill for glory. They travel a thousand miles every three days, only stopping for a lunch break at the 400th mile, and on the eve of the third day they pitch camp &#8211; where else &#8211; <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/">on the heights</a> of a mountain-top where, closest to the gods in heaven, Gilgamesh apparently has better reception for dreams from the divinities. Enkidu encloses Gilgamesh in a magical circle of flour, a gust of wind portends a divinatory dream will indeed visit him. He goes to sleep, has by all appearances a very bad dream, wakes up terrified, and tells it to Enkidu. Enkidu then interprets the dream favorably, against all common sense, and Gilgamesh swallows it.</p>
<p>This happens five very repetitive times. The only thing that changes in each repetition is the content of the dream, and the outrageousness of Enkidu&#8217;s wishful interpreting.</p>
<p>In the first dream, Gilgamesh dreams a mountain falls on him and Enkidu. Enkidu tells him the mountain is Humbaba, who will fall like that mountain. (Never mind that the dream suggests they&#8217;ll both be crushed under him.)</p>
<p>In the second dream, the mountain falls only on Gilgamesh and pins him down, and a &#8220;shining man&#8221; frees him. Enkidu says the mountain is again Humbaba, and the shining man the sun-god Shamash (remember, Gilgamesh&#8217;s goddess-mother Ninsun prayed to Shamash to aid her son against Humbaba).</p>
<p>In the third dream, the heavens roar, the earth heaves, all goes dark and silent. Lightning incinerates the trees and all is ash. Enkidu really reaches on this one, saying the heavens are Humbaba, who is powerless to harm Gilgamesh.</p>
<p>In the fourth dream, an eagle with a lion&#8217;s head and flames shooting from its mouth attacks Gilgamesh, and a &#8220;young man&#8221; kills the eagle. Enkidu, *snore*, says the eagle is Humbaba, and the man is Shamash.</p>
<p>In the fifth dream, things get a bit &#8220;wtf&#8221;: a giant bull, whose bellow shatters the earth and clouds the sky with dust, pins Gilgamesh to the ground, but a man pulls him up, puts his arm around him, and gives him water. More &#8220;wtf&#8221; still, Enkidu out-does himself by interpreting the bull &#8211; get this &#8211; as <em>Shamash</em>, and the man as Lugalbanda, Gilgamesh&#8217;s father.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not quite as bad as the &#8220;begats&#8221; in the Hebrew Bible&#8217;s Book of Numbers (and if God wrote the Bible, this snorer proves He needed a merciless editor), or the Catalogue of Ships in Book II of <em>The Iliad</em>, but it&#8217;s close.</p>
<p><strong>Next, the Love</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m an English teacher. One of the more obnoxious parts of my job is getting all preachy to students who whine that this or that book is &#8220;boring,&#8221; and telling them that a bored person suffers from a boring mind. There&#8217;s always a way, I preach, to turn lead into gold. You just have to stop snoring and wake up, and do that little &#8220;reader-response&#8221; trick of <em>bringing your own experience and mental connections to the text.</em></p>
<p>And when I do that with this chapter, it gets a little fun. Let me count the ways.</p>
<p><strong>On Dreams, Magic, Gods &#8211; and Poets<br />
</strong></p>
<p>That whole &#8220;dreams comes from heaven&#8221; bit, for example. On the face of it, this motif in <em>Gilgamesh</em> is one of thousands of examples in ancient literature of early humanity&#8217;s mental childishness. Faced with questions for which they had no certain answers &#8211; Where do we come from? What happens to us after we die? What are these visions we experience in our sleep, and what causes them? On and on &#8211; our earliest ancestors settled on answers that today&#8217;s toddlers might swallow, but not today&#8217;s adults.</p>
<p>The whole thing brings to mind an analogy that, while I know it&#8217;s facile, I&#8217;m still fond of, and find compelling on many levels: the metaphor of (Western? Intellectual?) human history as the development of an individual human. Antiquity represents our early childhood, gullible enough to swallow Santa Claus; the Middle Ages is our later childhood, accepting whatever we&#8217;re told by our authoritarian father-figures in the Church; the Renaissance is our adolescence, rebelling against those fathers and creating new identities, seeking new truths; the Enlightenment is the prime of our adulthood, the cooling of that rebellious passion as we turn more earnestly to our work; we could throw Romanticism in there as a mid-life crisis, though I won&#8217;t push it; and our own Modernity &#8211; say, 1850 to today &#8211; that&#8217;s us past our prime, muddled and venal, physically and mentally flabby, caring more about comfort than work, sliding into mediocrity and, soon, senility. (The divine <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde">Oscar Wilde</a> points to the same thing in reverse order with his maxim, &#8220;The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, the young know everything.&#8221;)</p>
<p>So our &#8220;young&#8221; Gilgamesh and Enkidu &#8220;know&#8221; that dreams come from the divine, are portents, omens, Things To Be Taken Seriously. Before you join me in a condescending smile, stop with me and ask yourself how many people you&#8217;ve known who are <em>still</em> so childish in their beliefs. Can you think of anybody like the man I met years ago who heard God speak to him from his television set &#8211; not once, but many times &#8211; and never once thought to ask himself, &#8220;Should I seek psychiatric help?&#8221; Or the good but hyper-religious friend who called me during my waiter shift at my Los Angeles restaurant to breathlessly tell me he had encountered God &#8211; and who over the next several months dressed &#8211; <em>in Los Angeles</em> &#8211; like Rasputin, cassock and Eastern cross necklace and all, and gathered a troupe of disciples around himself renamed after Jesus&#8217; original twelve? Or any number of the no-less-extreme, though more socially accepted (and very well-fed) men on our radios, televisions, and megachurches who claim to talk to God on a regular basis? People who talk about auras, horoscopes, astrological charts, End Times, Nostradamus, on and on?</p>
<p>Ask yourself, better still, if <em>you&#8217;re</em> still childish in any similar way. I was once. In fact, I was just like Gilgamesh in this chapter: In my truth-seeking twenties, way back in the late 1980s, I went to an Oregon mountain-top, had a friend sit me inside a magic circle, and prepared to fast there for three days in hopes of receiving a vision from the gods &#8211; specifically, the Native American gods of the Pacific Northwestern Sundance religion. The punchline: we had to cancel the &#8220;vision-quest&#8221; because a) one of us had forgotten to bring a meat-offering for the bird-spirits, and you couldn&#8217;t have a vision-quest without a bird offering any more than Gilgamesh apparently could without that magic flour; and b) my helper-friend had a romantic crisis with his girl-friend, and had to run back to his distant town in order to patch things up.</p>
<p>(Gilgamesh was lucky Enkidu didn&#8217;t have a high-maintenance girlfriend.)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think for a minute that I regret those years. And don&#8217;t think, either, that I don&#8217;t enjoy being able to laugh at them from a completely different mental space 20 years later. Above all, to tie this tangent back to the &#8220;intellectual history as individual development&#8221; analogy, <em>do</em> think that the reason I was able to outgrow that childish stage was that I went on to <em>study</em> history from antiquity to the present in college, and to grow in that process to intellectual maturity &#8211; which, believe me, means <em>much</em> intellectual humility and skepticism, lest you think I&#8217;m prideful by saying this. (Nutshell: At the end of a semester of immersion in Greek and Roman studies, I wanted to be a Classicist; at the end of the next semester of Medieval Studies immersion, I wanted to be a monk &#8211; and actually called a monastery asking how I could; the following semester&#8217;s immersion in Renaissance and Modern Studies thankfully pulled me past that stage, and left me more of a Marxist than anything. Readings since then have pulled me beyond that stage too.)</p>
<p>So the childish magical thinking we chuckle at in <em>Gilgamesh</em> survives all around us, 5,000 years later, all over the world. I&#8217;ve traveled much of that world as an adult, and seen it. I saw it in my native United States, where spells said over water, bread, juice, and the like, are believed to magically transform them. I&#8217;ve seen it in Europe in the same manifestations. I&#8217;ve seen it in Kosovo, as a NATO peace-keeper trying to protect the people who drop to their knees five times a day on the streets to point in a magical direction and pray from being killed by their fellow country-men who believe in a different magic. I saw it in a Buddhist monastery in the Yunnan province of China near the Tibetan plateau, when an ancient monk put a magic string around my wrist. I saw it in Bali, Indonesia, at a Hindu temple full of incense and drumming with monkeys scrambling in trees overhead. I&#8217;ve seen it <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/19/another-foreigner-story-the-westerner-at-the-korean-funeral/">most recently</a> at my Korean mother-in-law&#8217;s fresh grave-site, where her family visits and speaks no words of their own to her, but instead opens their magic book above her and reads from it, sings its songs, and then leaves. (I always talk to her at that point, fully doubting she hears at all, just because it seems so heartless to leave without saying a simple &#8220;We loved you.&#8221;) And I&#8217;ve wished for each of those countries that its people could have the opportunity to study history, or travel the world and observe it like I&#8217;ve been lucky enough to do, or both, so they could start questioning all the tribal, divisive magics separately claiming to speak their many One Truths on our inseparable, indivisible One Planet spinning through this One never-fully-explainable mystery called the cosmos.</p>
<p><strong>Back to Gilgamesh, Who We Never Really Left &#8211; and His Poets<br />
</strong></p>
<p>Reader-response. Connecting our experiences to what we read, riffing off the connections. All the above does connect, in this reader&#8217;s mind, anyway, to one thing about this snorer of a chapter in <em>Gilgamesh</em> that I love. It&#8217;s this: I can&#8217;t help but suspect the poets behind this work of being far less childish than their place at the infancy of civilization suggests they should be. Even more, I see signs in this chapter of a sensibility that is startlingly modern: I see these poets as <em>laughing at the childishness of the religious beliefs of their culture. </em></p>
<p>The clues are in Enkidu&#8217;s interpretations of Gilgamesh&#8217;s five &#8220;dreams from the gods.&#8221; It&#8217;s not just that Enkidu gives different interpretations of the dreams &#8211; for example, Gilgamesh&#8217;s &#8220;helper&#8221; being Shamash in Dream Two and Four, but Lugalbanda in Dream Five. These <em>are</em> noticeably strange, and I always tell my students that if something is strange &#8211; is a &#8220;wtf?&#8221; &#8211; in literature,  the author(s) <em>want us to notice them</em>. The poets may indeed want us to notice how contradictory the interpretations are, and laugh at them a bit.</p>
<p>But the more laughable thing, the most interesting &#8220;wtf?&#8221;, lies in the increasing <em>outlandishness</em> of each interpretation. Dream One doesn&#8217;t raise a brow: the falling mountain represents the falling Humbaba &#8211; reasonable enough, so we&#8217;ll take it seriously. Dream Two doesn&#8217;t phase us either: the falling mountain is again Humbaba, and the god Gilgamesh&#8217;s mother prayed to for help, Shamash, <em>is </em>the helper in the dream. Enkidu&#8217;s interpretation of Dream Three gets more interesting, though, and upsets our expectations: Gilgamesh seems to die unaided in this one &#8211; it ends, remember, in &#8220;darkness, silence, and ash&#8221; &#8211; and Enkidu&#8217;s interpretation that the dream shows Humbaba is &#8220;powerless to harm&#8221; Gilgamesh doesn&#8217;t satisfactorily explain away that deathlike ending. Anybody awake in the audience, then or now, would presumably notice this slight &#8220;wtf,&#8221; and wake up a bit. It&#8217;s not reasonable enough to satisfy.</p>
<p>The interpretation of Dream Four, though, returns to reason, and lulls the alert reader&#8217;s misgivings: the eagle-monster is Humbaba, and its killer who comes to the King&#8217;s aid, Shamash &#8211; still delivering the help Ninsun begged him to give her son. This makes Dream Three&#8217;s interpretation seem a minor fluke. All is again as it should be in the land of story-telling logic. We <em>should</em> take this dream-interpretation stuff seriously. All that flour and favorable mountain-top wind works some serious magic to call down the attention of the divine.</p>
<p>Then comes Dream Five, which I swear strikes me as one of the grandest practical jokes ever played on priest by poet. No listener with the slightest hint of intelligence can take its interpretation seriously: Enkidu tells Gilgamesh the giant bull who almost kills him in this dream &#8211; who is <em>his enemy</em> &#8211; is not Humbaba this time, as we&#8217;d expect, but, <em>wtf</em>?!, <em>Shamash</em>, who in the previous dreams has been Gilgamesh&#8217;s divine helper. More <em>wtf</em> still, the helper in this dream is Gilgamesh&#8217;s father who comes out of nowhere and, though a former king himself, is still hard to see as a match for the sun-god from whom he saves Gilgamesh.</p>
<p>Remember, this poem was worked and re-worked over at least 1,500 years. That&#8217;s ample time for the court poets to find an interpretation for this dream less jarring on the audience&#8217;s imagination and less insulting to its intelligence. Yet there it stands, thumbing its outlandish nose at us all, with all its authorial authority. Why did the poets keep this detail as it is?</p>
<p>In my most mischievous imagination, they did it to confront their ancient audience with a choice: <em>You either believe the authorities &#8211; us &#8211; and our sacred tale, no matter how absurd &#8211; or you learn the lesson we&#8217;re trying to point to here: sometimes you have to face facts, show some skeptical courage, and call nonsense by its name. This dream interpretation stuff is for the birds.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I can&#8217;t help but wonder how many priests&#8217; feathers were ruffled by this scene over the thousands of years of its telling.</p>
<p>A closing question: the interpretation of dreams &#8211; <em>oneiromancy</em>, for any students out there wanting extra points on their <em>Gilgamesh</em> essays &#8211; was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneiromancy">a widespread religious superstition in the ancient world</a>. The Hebrews did it, the Greeks did it, even educated fleas did it &#8211; but did any of those other &#8220;childhood cultures&#8221; do it with the implicit skepticism and ambiguity I argue we see here?</p>
<p>If not, those Sumero-Babylonians were awfully mature for their Age.</p>
<p>[<strong>Next: Lecture 9: <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/"><em>Gilgamesh</em> and the <em>Original</em> "Original Sin"</a>]</strong></p>
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</p><p>[...] [This post had major problems in its original draft. I heavily edited it for all you stumblers. Later posts in the "Unsucky Gilgamesh" series: 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-7734">March 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 3: Adam and Eve in Bizarro-World | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: this post~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-7735">March 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/23/gilgamesh5nature/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero - Backwards: Unsucky English, Lecture 5 (Gilgamesh, cont&#8217;d) | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards. ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets]1 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-7737">March 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English Lecture 7: Gilgamesh: A Goddess Prays | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man ~ 7. This Post ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets]1 Gilgamesh - the Earth&#39;s Oldest Epic. Stephen Mitchell&#39;s fine 2004 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-7744">March 19, 2009</a>, Irena wrote:
</p><p>I stumbled upon your website in an attempt to develop an argument relating this famous "Deluge" to the seven deadly sins. Now, I speculated that my very thesis in itself has been beat-to-death by college students (or the "dreamy" high school student from your early post) for centuries, but I'm not a quitter, so I googled anyway. I found this site close to the top on the relevance scale of my search and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! Your style, approach, innovativeness and ideas held me captivated! Reading this has helped me take a lighter look at my topic, too - something my Western Civ professor probably won't appreciate nearly as much as my own sleep-deprived attention span, but his field is medieval study anyway... 
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</p><p>Thank you! I'll be back for more. 
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</p><p>Irena Milasinovic
</p><p>Colorado Springs, CO</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-7745">March 19, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Thanks for that, Irena. Encouragement like that keeps me going.
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</p><p>And it is fascinating, isn't it, to speculate about the influences of this culture on the Biblical ones?</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-7756">March 20, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>I've been rolling this post around in my head for a couple of days, and it all bumps up against reading and seeing <i>Watchmen</i> with my Science Fiction class and thinking about books that have boring stretches.  </p><p></p><p>What you call "the childish magical thinking" of <i>Gilgamesh</i> is also evident in the subtext of Moore/Gibbons graphic novel.  The characters in the novel want the 'signs' to mean the things they want them to mean.  Only a so-called crazy person can see reality.  In the same way, some of us want to believe that going shopping will save the economy from itself or that it is possible to get 25% return on a legal investment.  That's "childish magical thinking" in capital letters.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, there's the boring book problem.  I always like to have one novel in class that stretches the reader's ability to stay focused.  It gives us such a fine opportunity to talk about reading strategies (like the excellent one that you suggest in your post).  Books that require the reader to think and the class to work together to understand are like a fine meal with some unfamiliar dishes or like Michael Doyle's oysters.  Worth the trouble, and delicious.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kate Tabors last blog post..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/seven-things-musical/" rel="nofollow">Meme Mash Up: 7 things and Music</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-8007">June 26, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Gilgamesh and the Original Original Sin: Unsucky English Lecture 9 | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets]1 Gilgamesh - the Earth&#39;s Oldest Epic. Stephen Mitchell&#39;s fine 2004 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-8015">June 26, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Lecture 9 is up: <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/" rel="nofollow">Gilgamesh and the <i>Original</i> "Original Sin"</a>.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-8023">June 30, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 6: Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards ~ This post ~ 7. A Goddess Prays 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets]1 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-8025">June 30, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/12/gilgamesh-4-blessings-of-the-flesh/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 4: The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards (Gilgamesh, Book Two) | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. this post ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets]1 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-8026">June 30, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/31/gilgamesh-2/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: this post ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-8216">July 23, 2009</a>, Emasaurus wrote:
</p><p>This site is brilliant. I use stumbleupon most days but only very rarely do I get a gem like this.
</p><p>I'm in Uni and I often have to read the most dry, boring, convoluted, protentious crap about film and literature. There is no reason why everyone can't write as you do...clearly, humourously and intelligently.
</p><p>These essays/lectures are fascinating, I'm hooked. Well done and please keep going :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/#comment-8217">July 23, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Emasaurus, it's so nice of you to take the time to let me know. Your second and third -- oops, third and fourth, I mean -- sentences could very well serve as a blurb for the book version of this series. You nail my philosophy and my purpose for these lectures in them.</p><p></p><p>I'm in the middle of a relocation from Seoul to Singapore, so as soon as I'm settled in, I can't wait to get back to this project. Please share it with other students, too?</p><p></p><p>Good luck with school :)</p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="2080" /></p></form>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #808080;">[The Unsucky English <em>Gilgamesh </em>series so far: 1: <a href="../2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/">Dangerous Questions</a> ~ 2: <a href="../2008/08/31/gilgamesh-2/">The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job</a> ~ 3: <a href="../2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/">Adam and Eve, Backwards</a> ~ 4. <a href="../2008/09/12/gilgamesh-4-blessings-of-the-flesh/">The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards</a> ~ 5. <a href="../2008/09/23/gilgamesh5nature/">Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards</a> ~ 6. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/">Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man</a> ~ 7. This Post ~ </span><span style="color: #808080;">8. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/">The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets</a></span><span style="color: #808080;">]<sup>1</sup></p>
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<p>We last left Gilgamesh laughing at the elders for urging him to fear the gods and doubt his own ability to do what none have done before. We noted it was perhaps the first Humanist&#8217;s laugh in world literature, 2,500 years before Socrates laughed similarly at the pious believers in Zeus.</p>
<p>Gilgamesh and Enkidu are almost, almost ready to embark on their quest to kill Humbaba, the guardian of the sacred Cedar Forest who is sacred to the god <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlil">Enlil</a>, but evil to several other gods and goddesses, in the wonderfully grey and grown-up moral sphere of the Sumero-Babylonians, so different from the black-and-white moral simplicity of other, more familiar, religions.</p>
<p>But before we follow them out the gate, we have one more stop to make with our two heroes: the Temple of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninsun">Ninsun</a>, the goddess who is Gilgamesh&#8217;s mother. It only makes sense to visit your mother before you leave to court death (I did the same with my best friend when we left my hometown in the &#8217;80s to hitchhike across America all summer, come what monsters may). It makes more sense when she&#8217;s a goddess who might pull some divine strings to help you survive your adventure.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an episode with a few details worth pausing over.</p>
<h2>Worship on the Heights</h2>
<p>We see in this scene, for example, another instance of Sumero-Babylonian religious ritual that causes me envy: their &#8220;worship on the heights.&#8221; We saw it before in the Temple of Ishtar, the pyramid-like ziggurat atop which, under sun or moon and stars I don&#8217;t know, the king seems to have made <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_prostitution#Ancient_Near_East">ritual love</a> to Ishtar&#8217;s high priestess. We see it in this scene when Ninsun, after first bathing in &#8220;water of tamarisk and soapwort,&#8221; arrays herself in &#8220;her finest robe, a wide belt, / a jeweled necklace,&#8221; and &#8220;her crown,&#8221; then ascends to the roof of her temple to light incense to accompany her skyward prayer to the sun-god Shamash.</p>
<p>(Can I pause to share that I learned to speak, read and write the Arabic language when I was in the rightly oxymoronic U.S. Army&#8217;s Military Intelligence branch back in the &#8217;90s, and that a word I learned there made this prayer-scene a bit mind-bending? The word was not quite &#8220;Shamash,&#8221; but it was close. It was &#8220;<em>shahms</em>&#8221; (Ø´Ù…Ø³) &#8211; the Arabic word for, you guessed it: sun. The word stretches back to the beginning of human history, and beyond into prehistory. The young god of today&#8217;s monotheistic Arabs, Allah, may have taken the throne of heaven from Shamash in Arab <em>religion</em> a mere 1,400 years ago ; but in their <em>language</em>, he still shares heaven with that 6,000-year-oldest god. Shamash still shines on them today.)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see more of this preference for open-air, panoramic, sky-as-cathedral worship later. I just love it. Synagogues, churches, and mosques should cast a fresh look at their rooftops, and ask if there&#8217;s any potential to get closer to the Unnameable up there, instead of down below. [Self-critical update: It occurred to me later that the rooftop heights seem reserved for the elites only - kings and goddesses, so far, in this case. They ascend alone, and return below to the other devotees, from what I can see. I still like the idea, however unsupported it is on second look.]</p>
<h2>A Prayer in Babylon&#8217;s Defense</h2>
<p>Anyway, on her temple rooftop, under the azure dome of Shamash&#8217;s sky, Ninsun has her moment on the world-literary stage. She doesn&#8217;t blow it.</p>
<p>She asks Shamash the question every mother of a hot-blooded son asks: &#8220;You have granted my son / beauty and strength and courage / &#8211; why have you burdened him with a restless heart?&#8221; Whether intentional or not, I find it interesting that Ninsun&#8217;s list of her son&#8217;s gifts lacks the gift of <em>wisdom</em>.<sup>2</sup> Wisdom is what Gilgamesh will gain by the end of the tale &#8211; or perhaps only we will, by knowing his story.</p>
<p>Ninsun then goes on to utter what I like to call her &#8220;Ode to the Sun&#8221; which, in Mitchell&#8217;s adaptation<sup>3</sup>, deserves a place in our anthologies of the world&#8217;s religious poetry:</p>
<blockquote><p>O Lord Shamash, glorious sun,<br />
delight of the gods, illuminator<br />
of the world, who rise and the light is born,<br />
it fills the heavens, the whole earth takes shape,<br />
the mountains form, the valleys grow bright,<br />
darkness vanishes, evil retreats,<br />
all creatures wake up and open their eyes,<br />
they see you, they are filled with joy&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>If any eight lines of verse can serve to refute all <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=Babylon&amp;version1=31&amp;searchtype=all&amp;limit=none&amp;wholewordsonly=no">the Bible&#8217;s Babylon-bashing</a> &#8211; an example of what mythologist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell">Joseph Campbell</a> calls one culture&#8217;s &#8220;mythic assassination&#8221; of its enemy&#8217;s culture &#8211; these eight have my vote. They&#8217;re not deep or fancy, and that&#8217;s their merit: the simple reverence of the lines, especially the image of all creatures waking to be filled with joy at the sight of a new day &#8211; they bespeak a gentle gratitude and majesty that gives the lie to the &#8220;whorish&#8221; slurs cast by the Hebrew and Christian texts. It&#8217;s wonderful that the Babylonian text can finally speak for itself again. (I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve mentioned that the cuneiform-imprinted clay tablets containing the epic lay mute and buried under the Iraqi sands for over 2,000 years, until they were uncovered by a British traveler around 1850, and then translated about 25 years later. So from the time of roughly Socrates, through the Roman Empire, Middle Ages, Renaissance, and half the modern period, this story was lost to the world, buried in silence. We&#8217;re unbelievably lucky to be alive to hear its ancient voice today. It&#8217;s a form of time-travel most of our forebears could not enjoy.)</p>
<h2>The Visit Ends, the Adventure Begins</h2>
<p>Ninsun goes on to do what so many mothers do who fear for their child&#8217;s success: she asks the god to cheat for him. When Gilgamesh and Enkidu close in battle with Humbaba, she asks Shamash to pin him with every wind known to nature &#8211; East Wind, West Wind, North and South, with tornadoes and gale and hurricane wind thrown in for good measure &#8211; to &#8220;make it easy&#8221; for her son to kill him.</p>
<p>She then descends and returns to Gilgamesh and Enkidu, and adds one more civilized gift to the recently-civilized Enkidu: a family. Ninsun tells Enkidu that she is adopting him as her son, places an amulet around his neck, and tells him to be a good brother to Gilgamesh. And Enkidu, gentle as ever (but not for much longer, as we&#8217;ll see), weeps. He has a mother now, and a brother.</p>
<p>An interesting detail in this adoption scene shows us more about the <em>heirodules</em>, or &#8220;temple prostitutes&#8221; in Ishtar&#8217;s cultic service, that we met in <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/">the first lecture</a>. Ninsun says she adopts Enkidu &#8220;as a priestess takes in an abandoned child.&#8221; So we learn that the cult of Ishtar served a charitable function in Sumero-Babylonian society by serving as orphanages. I wonder what more the scholars can tell us about that.</p>
<p>Gilgamesh and Enkidu then take their weaponry and march past the cheering young men and the well-wishing elders to the gate, and beyond. That weaponry, by the way? Each had an axe that weighed &#8220;two hundred pounds,&#8221; knives with gold mountings, quivers and bows and armor &#8220;weighing more than six hundred pounds.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have to wonder if there were ever any Sumerian or Babylonian fundamentalists who took these details literally &#8211; and if there were any Sumero-Babylonian literature teachers who countered them with the question we ask of our own variety of literalist today: &#8220;Can you say <em>hyperbole</em>?&#8221;</p>
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</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards. ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays]1 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7693">March 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/12/gilgamesh-4-blessings-of-the-flesh/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 4: The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards (Gilgamesh, Book Two) | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. this post ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays]1 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7694">March 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 3: Adam and Eve in Bizarro-World | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: this post~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7695">March 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 1: On Gilgamesh | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [This post had major problems in its original draft. I heavily edited it for all you stumblers. Later posts in the "Unsucky Gilgamesh" series: 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7696">March 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/31/gilgamesh-2/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: this post ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7704">March 16, 2009</a>, Lynne wrote:
</p><p>I heard about Gilgamesh on your website. The next week, I bought and read the book. I must say, it is a very interesting read. Since then I've been reading your Unsucky English Lectures. The author does a good job at explanations, but your lectures have provide invaluable insight to further understanding the story. I look forward to your next posts.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7705">March 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>Wisdom ( for him or for us) comes through what Gilgamesh experiences.  I was reminded of another Mitchell translation - of the Bhagavad Gita - and Arjuna's question about evil actions, even those actions that seem to go against our nature.</p><p>"Arjuna said:</p><p>What is that drives a man/to an evil action, Krishna.</p><p>even against his will,/as if some force made him do it?</p><p></p><p>The Blessed Lord said:</p><p>That force is desire, it is anger,/arising from the <i>guna</i> called <i>rajas;</i></p><p>deadly and all-devouring,/that is the enemy here.</p><p></p><p>As a fire is obscured by smoke,/as a mirror is covered by dust,</p><p>as a fetus is wrapped in the membrane,/so wisdom is obscured by desire.</p><p></p><p>Wisdom is destroyed, Arjuna,/by the constant enemy of the wise,</p><p>which, flaring up as desire, /blazes with insatiable flames.</p><p></p><p>Desire dwells in the senses, /the mind and the understanding;</p><p>in all these it obscures wisdom /and perplexes the embodied Self.</p><p>[3.36-40]</p><p></p><p>Ninsun's prayer of thanks (the balance of desire) reflects her wisdom.  We could/should all learn from her.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kate Tabors last blog post..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/bone-tired/" rel="nofollow">Bone tired</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7710">March 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Re: "Babylon Bashing," there's quite a bit of Assyria bashing as well (although, I daresay, they kind of deserved it.)  But I think it's understandable given the captivity they experienced.  They were relatively glowing about the Persians, though, especially Cyrus.  
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</p><p>Re: the prayer itself, it is beautiful, as are many of the prayers from that period.  Sometimes I wonder how cuneiform (or any pictographic writing) influenced literature, especially poetic structure.  Like, did they "rhyme" symbols instead of syllables?  I LOVE the sign "Dingir."  And the sign "ama-gi" (freedom).  It looks like the dingir sign appears in the middle of ama-gi.  I wonder ...
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</p><p>Re: Shamash/Sun, I was surprised to learn the etymological connections between the English word "day" and the PIE word for "sun" (also the name of their sun god) which eventually gave rise to "theos," "Zeus," "deus," and "dia" as well as the Romantic words for "day" and "god" such as "dia" and "dios".  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyeus)
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</p><p>Personal story, once upon a time, my family tried to quit using the name "Easter" and substitute it with "Resurrection Sunday" instead so as not to invoke the goddess Ishtar.  What I find funny is that, if we were to really follow that line of thought, we'd have to rename all the days of the week (most of which honor Norse gods), the months of the year (Roman gods) and even our word "day."  Also, it's funny that Ishtar has nothing to do with Easter, but rather Eostre.    
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</p><p>(PS. I've also heard that "day" is related to another PIE word meaning "to burn" and not to that sky god at all.)</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/03/you-might-be-redneck-jedi-if.html" rel="nofollow">You might be a Redneck Jedi if...</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7711">March 17, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Kester, interesting as usual. I'm surprised you didn't catch the fairly sloppy treatment of "worshipping on the heights" that I updated in the post. 
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</p><p>Tell me more about your background in cuneiform and proto-Indo-European. Interesting. My connection between Shamash and Arabic "sun" is pure speculation. I should have framed it as a question instead of an assertion.
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</p><p>I had trouble with this one. It's been tough getting back into the swing - especially when the Humbaba and Bull of Heaven scenes are among my least favorite....</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7712">March 17, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Lynne, thanks for the encouragement. I agree that Mitchell's intro and commentary are very well-done. I try not to read them as I go through this, because there's so much else to observe.
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</p><p>Feel free to jump in with your own observations, by the way :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7713">March 17, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Oh, and re: Babylon-bashing, I agree they had their obvious axe to grind about their conquerors. What I wanted to underline was the different picture we're privy to since the re-discovery of the texts in the 19th c. 
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</p><p>And FWIW, it's fun to discover you're an etymology freak too. My Arabic dictionary (Hans Wehr version at $250 a pop) is a treasure that way. It's such a pure, unalloyed language. The three-letter radicals give birth to so many derivations that connect concepts un-related in English. Like SHa-Ri-Ban for "mustaches," and SHa-Ra-Ba for "to drink." Picture the bedouin context in the Arabian desert and you'll see the logic in that connection. Those droplets in the mustache were surely precious between oases...</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7714">March 17, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Kate, there's so much Buddhism in that quote, huh?
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</p><p>The nice thing about being non-religious is how lovely it makes religious studies ;-)
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</p><p>I've always admired the Unitarians for being able to enjoy all texts.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7715">March 17, 2009</a>, Lynne wrote:
</p><p>Well, I can try and make some intelligible  observations and comments. (I'm an engineer, not an literary critic.)
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</p><p>I never completely understood why Gilgamesh and Enkidu felt compelled to slay Humbaba in the first place. Sure maybe it can be, on some level, compared to people going on a safari to slay rhinos or other potentially dangerous animals to gain pride, honor, remembrance, you name it. Still, how honorable of a fight is it when its 3:1, favoring your side, and you were unprovoked? Not to mention that your opponent was pinned by four winds and asks for mercy, but you decide to decapitate him anyways! They're the aggressors in this case, not the heroes they claim to be.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7716">March 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>That's also the beauty of being a literature teacher.  We get to enjoy all texts as well!</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kate Tabors last blog post..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/if-i-had-a-theme-song/" rel="nofollow">If I had a theme song</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7732">March 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://intensedebate.com/people/cburell' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>cburell</a> wrote:
</p><p>Number 8 is up: <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/" rel="nofollow">The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets</a> </p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7724">March 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English Lecture 8: The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] Backwards ~ 5. Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays]1 Gilgamesh - the Earth&#39;s Oldest Epic. Stephen Mitchell&#39;s fine 2004 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7736">March 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 6: Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards ~ This post ~ 7. A Goddess Prays 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7746">March 19, 2009</a>, <a href='https://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay,
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</p><p>Thanks.  Regarding "worshiping on the heights," I actually don't disagree.  Many of my favorite OT figures and Christians weren't necessarily tied to temple worship.  David danced naked before the ark.  many of the monastic, at least the eremetic, saints lived in the middle of nowhere out in nature.  St. Francis was effulgent about his pan-en-theism.  And the so-called "Celtic Christians" gained a reputation for worshiping in nature.  One of my favorite poets, Gerard Manley Hopkins, says in one poem: "The earth is charged with the grandeur of God ...".  
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</p><p>That said, in almost all religions it seems that the official worship happened inside and was well-regulated.  The top level of the ziggurat was only accessible by the priests and that was where the god lived.  It seems that "worship on the heights" has always, and in all places, been the place that the layman spoke to God/the gods.
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</p><p>I am an armchair philologist.  I love the history of words and, of all the far-distant roots, the PIE culture and language is the most interesting to me.  As for cuneiform, I like to immerse my students in the culture we're studying as long as we're studying it.  So, we make our own pictographic writing system and, eventually, turn it into an alphabetic one.  While learning about Mesopotamia, they (try to) memorize the prologue to the Enuma Elish in ancient Sumerian (assuming my pronunciation is correct) and write letters to each other in cuneiform.  Stuff like that.  Anyway, I learn some stuff while researching for lessons.  
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</p><p>What I find endlessly interesting is the juxtaposition of pictographic and phonetic writing systems.  I find the pictographic ones more interesting, although the phonetic ones seem to promote greater democracy.  And how would one translate pictographs when, say, the cuneiform sign for "dingir" can be star, sun, heaven, god, or Anu?  It does kind of support your theory that man becomes the ultimate arbiter of the meaning when translation is so contextual.  Perhaps that is why the Hebrews preferred phonetic systems, so that the word mean the word and only the word (not that they didn't end up putting their own spin on things as well.)  
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</p><p>I think about stupid stuff, too.  Like, the phonograph is not a great technological advancement.  Really, it would have been easily made using the technology of the Sumerians.  What if, instead of a writing system, they had recorded everything?  How would that have changed the culture?  
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</p><p>Finally, regarding Humbaba and the Bull of Heaven, although those aren't my favorite parts either, I expect they were the favorite parts of the Mesopotamians.  And they're ALWAYS the parts they include in juvenile literature or social studies books.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7816">April 9, 2009</a>, Debbie wrote:
</p><p>Hi Kester,
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</p><p>Why do you say that phonetic writing systems promote greater democracy? Wouldn't they be less accessible?</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-7817">April 9, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hi, Debbie.
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</p><p>It took over a decade to become a scribe in Mesopotamia and Egypt.  It's still incredibly difficult (or so I've heard) to learn Chinese writing (which still has thousands of characters).  Whereas it only took me a week to learn and recognize the shapes and sounds of the Spanish, Runic and Greek alphabetic writing systems.  (Of course, learning all their vocabulary is a different matter.)  And anyone can learn another phonetic writing system, and even a workable vocabulary, in about a year of concerted effort.  
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</p><p>Thus, the writing of the Mesopotamians and Egyptians was only available to a select few, while the writing of the Jews and Greek was available to most everyone.  Pictures can be subjective if you haven't memorized them all, but an alpha just says "ah" and that's it.  
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</p><p>For another example, my students are adept at writing their notes in class in such a way that I can't decipher them using a complicated system of pictographs, symbols and some phonetic writing that would have made the Egyptians weep with frustration and Chinese green with envy.  The specific purpose of writing in such a way is to keep me out of the loop.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/04/excerpts-from-rebellion-from-brothers.html" rel="nofollow">Excerpts from &quot;Rebellion&quot; from &quot;The Brother's Karamazov&quot; by Dostoevsky</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-8006">June 26, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Gilgamesh and the Original Original Sin: Unsucky English Lecture 9 | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] Backwards ~ 5. Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets]1 Gilgamesh - the Earth&#39;s Oldest Epic. Stephen [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/#comment-8014">June 26, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Lecture 9 is up: <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/" rel="nofollow">Gilgamesh and the <i>Original</i> "Original Sin"</a>.</p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="2048" /></p></form>

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From Social Media Today, 3/10/09, some fantastic toys for Twitter types who wonder how many times their blog posts have been URL-shortened, tweeted, re-tweeted, hokey-pokeyed, and tweedlededummed:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been playing with tech a lot at all these days, so maybe this is not news. But it was for me, and <strong>Holy Search Engines, Batman</strong>:</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.socialmediatoday.com/SMC/79262">Social Media Today, 3/10/09</a>, some fantastic toys for Twitter types who wonder how many times their blog posts have been URL-shortened, tweeted, re-tweeted, hokey-pokeyed, and tweedlededummed:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: arial;">With the right tools, everything is measurable.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://backtweets.com/" target="_blank">BackType </a>tracks tweets associated with a source URL regardless of the shortener used to link back to it. <a href="http://www.twinfluence.com/" target="_blank">twInfluence</a> measures Twitter influencers, not just by followers, but also by reach, velocity, social capital and centralization. <a href="http://www.retweetist.com/" target="_blank">Retweetist</a> tracks the most &#8220;retweeted&#8221; people, URLs, and also those who actively &#8220;RT&#8221; others. <a href="http://danzarrella.com/tweetbacks-beta.html" target="_blank">Tweetbacks</a>, <a href="http://www.disqus.com/" target="_blank">Disqus</a>, and <a href="http://chatcatcher.com/" target="_blank">Chatcatcher</a> are tracking related tweets and directly connecting and listing them as traditional trackbacks at originating blog posts.</p>
<p>FriendFeed already released APIs and with Facebook opening up the News Feed to developers, apps will emerge that can track blog posts by volume of likes and shared links.</p>
<p>At SXSW, <a href="http://www.klout.net/" target="_blank">Klout</a> will debut a new service that helps bloggers and content publishers measure Link Authority and a conversation index by tracking the frequency of shared URLs tied to the weighted stature of those sharing them compared to other links shared during the same time frame. The service will eventually provide a foundation to compare source URLs ranked within the service over time.</p></blockquote>
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</p><p>First, I call bull poop on the opening line of the quoted source: </p><p></p><p><i>"With the right tools, everything is measurable."</i></p><p></p><p>This is a western European conceit (and quite possibly other cultures as well, but I've enough on my hands dwelling on our own madness), and it's going to kill us, and maybe take Earth out as well.</p><p></p><p>Life is finite, our economic practices destroy other peoples not within our vision because, well, they're less than the well-dressed refined elite we call "us", and now we glow in our sophisticated electronic version of navel gazing.</p><p></p><p>Yep. I'm guilty, too. Might be time for me to do something about it. Thanks for the wake up call.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Michael Doyles last blog post..<a href="http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/2009/03/separating-wheat-from-chaff.html" rel="nofollow">Separating the wheat from the chaff</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7673">March 14, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Michael,
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</p><p>Yep, it was a silly line to write. Let's hope he was aiming at hyperbole (and I think he was).
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</p><p>Did you ever wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, the computer addiction might not reduce our waste and destructiveness, since we're not out driving around, buying more, yada yada, but are instead now sitting more quietly at home?
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</p><p>Maybe wrong. Gaia will shake off her fleas soon enough, anyway, don't you think?</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7681">March 15, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hi Clay -</p><p>I am sure that I could quantify the number of people who visit my blog, who retweet my postings, who respond on plurk.  I'm sure I could see who is #1, #100, most popular - But I'm in the process of rethinking who I am as a teacher, and this will feed into what I am trying to step away from.  I've taught now in the upper school for three years.  I'm not one of the "cool" teachers although I am the haven for my "D&amp;D" boys and the social misfits on the fourth floor.  I can beat myself up to be popular, worry about the same things that these tools would have me think about with my blog/twitter spaces.  That's not good for me now.  Indeed, I need to listen to the I Ching, and get my ego out of the way.  </p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kate Tabors last blog post..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/bone-tired/" rel="nofollow">Bone tired</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7682">March 15, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Michael, Kate,
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</p><p>Thought experiment: You write something on a subject you care about. A million people read it. Universe A: You never knew, and thought nobody cared, so you never wrote more on the same subject; Universe B: You did know, so you wrote more on the same subject, and more people cared. 
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</p><p>Some of the tools above give you Universe B.
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</p><p>If you write and publish, I think there's value in knowing which things you write resonate, get forwarded, cause a buzz.
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</p><p>To reduce it to egotism misses the "market research" function any publisher wants - especially self-publishers like us all. 
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</p><p>It also misses the networking potential. What if a NY Publisher showed up in one of those re-tweet subscriptions? You're suddenly connected to someone who might offer a book deal. 
</p><p>
</p><p>Is that egotistical? No, that's smart - for a writer who wants to make it in the writing world.
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</p><p>Any writer should be honest enough to admit that s/he cares about the fate of what s/he writes, its reception in the world. 
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</p><p>And that some of the tools above make a simple RSS subscription serve that care seems low-maintenance enough.
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</p><p>Both reactions strike me as weird, frankly. It's a share that took 30 seconds to perform, and suddenly two of my warmer web-relations are getting all psychoanalytical about it. If it's not your thing, why not just move on, instead of onto a soapbox?</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7683">March 15, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>@Clay - please, please don't feel like I'm on a soapbox.  I'm just at a place right now at school where I feel under siege by the cult of personality.  I have done my best to be "real" as a teacher, to teach what I think kids need to know in a way that resonates with them.  All this in an atmosphere where we are told by a colleague in a faculty meeting that if we don't want kids to cut class, well - we just need to be more fascinating. I worry that if I start looking at blog stats and tweet stats that this will become something I worry about.  I don't believe that I have much of a readership.  I'm delighted when I get an unexpected comment, but I just assume that my sister - and maybe you and Michael- read my blog.  I'm not sure Universe B cares about me, and I'm afraid to care about them.
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</p><p>I don't want to spoil one of my favorite web-relationships with the deadly funk that has crept in (maybe it's the never ending cold, or the fact that we are laying off staff but increasing administration, or because we are hiring someone to fill my upper school position (I return to my old post as reading evangelist and seventh grade teacher next year) and it seems like we are more jizzed about someone who is a "journalist" but has never taught a class than someone with a love of the classroom.  So sorry - I am in on my day off (again) making sure the yearbook gets to the printer in time for Class Day in June. I'm cranky and sad.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kate Tabors last blog post..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/bone-tired/" rel="nofollow">Bone tired</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7684">March 15, 2009</a>, Michael Doyle wrote:
</p><p>Dear Clay,</p><p></p><p>Didn't mean to sound weird--it's who I am, and I have a very edgy relationship with this internet thing anyway. I can't speak for Kate, but I get (too?) psychoanalytical about most things human, and folks don't notice until I get all squirrelly on their "thing"--and FWIW, it was the quote, not you that got me going.</p><p></p><p><i>"Did you ever wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, the computer addiction might not reduce our waste and destructiveness, since we’re not out driving around, buying more, yada yada, but are instead now sitting more quietly at home?"</i></p><p></p><p>Yep, and that's why I'm edgy about it. </p><p></p><p>1) We're mortal, our time here finite. Time in front of the monitor is less time chatting with Leslie, reading a book, dirtying hands in the garden, poking around for clams. If we're at work, wasting time makes sense. At home, though, not sure a computer is a plus. I love mine, I use it a lot, but not sure time here (which is essentially time away from family) is harmless.</p><p></p><p>2) Computers require lots of electricity, both from the outlet in my home and in far away places holding data. </p><p></p><p>3) The internet is loaded with advertising. Most folks think it doesn't affect them. It affects me.</p><p></p><p>4) Computers are relatively expensive, though much less so now than ten years ago.</p><p></p><p>5) Computers have toxins--lead, cadmium, mercury, barium, beryllium, brominated flame retardants. Not my problem, true, but is somebody else's.</p><p></p><p>6) Data mining--my access here is tracked. Not going to go into the particulars why this bothers me here in a short post, but it's easy enough for me to fix if I just stay off.</p><p></p><p>7) Health: I'm sitting. Doing almost nothing.</p><p></p><p>8) Selected population: the internet is populated by people who can afford both computers and the time to dally on the net. A few of them (such as yourself) are fascinating and brilliant. Would you have been quite as fascinating if you grew up using the internet? No way to know, I guess, but you would not be who you are.</p><p></p><p>Now, that's not to say I'll stop using the internet, though you did make me pause and think about it, a good thing.</p><p></p><p>I ride motorcycles. I love motorcycles. They are not harmless, and I do it anyway. </p><p></p><p>And yes, Gaia will shake off her fleas sooner or later. I think most of us in western culture forget that we are the lead fleas.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7685">March 15, 2009</a>, <a href='http://dmcordell.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>diane</a> wrote:
</p><p>I look at Google Analytics fairly often but don't let the stats there dictate my self-esteem. I blog and Tweet and Plurk for the sheer joy of it. I have connections I could never have dreamed of, opportunities that are exciting and unexpected. I use what I feel is beneficial, disregard the rest. Sometimes I question the value of my online activities, but not often and not seriously. I'll take what I can get and be glad.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>dianes last blog post..<a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2009/03/pair-of-twitter-tools.html" rel="nofollow">A Pair of Twitter Tools</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7688">March 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.soulycatholichs.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Charlie A. Roy</a> wrote:
</p><p>@ Clay
</p><p>Thanks for sharing these are some very interesting links.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Charlie A. Roys last blog post..<a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2009/02/watching-web-20-deepen-learning.html" rel="nofollow">Watching Web 2.0 Deepen Learning</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7742">March 19, 2009</a>, <a href='http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Michael Doyle</a> wrote:
</p><p>Uh-oh.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Michael Doyles last blog post..<a href="http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/2009/03/planting-season.html" rel="nofollow">Planting season</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-7743">March 19, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>No "uh-oh" on this side, Michael. I still love you deeply, madly, etc.
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</p><p>Just too blasted busy.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-8039">July 1, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.loverslawn.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Jaison "The Master Dater"</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hmmm.. BackTweets is definitely one of my best Twitter-chums at the moment. It could be even more better if they offered an RSS feed for a particular search, like search.twitter.com.</p><p>.-= Jaison "The Master Dater"&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.loverslawn.com/does-twitter-help-your-relationship-or-harm-it/" rel="nofollow">Does Twitter Help Your Relationship Or Harm It?</a> =-.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/13/beyond-technorati-to-tweet-link-love-and-more/#comment-8047">July 1, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.backtype.com/cg' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Christopher Golda</a> wrote:
</p><p>Thanks! And we do offer RSS feeds for searches — click on the feed icon on the page or in your browser.</p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="2050" /></p></form>

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<p><span style="color: #808080;">[The Unsucky English <em>Gilgamesh </em>series so far: 1: <a href="../2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/">Dangerous Questions</a> ~ 2: <a href="../2008/08/31/gilgamesh-2/">The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job</a> ~ 3: <a href="../2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/">Adam and Eve, Backwards</a> ~ 4. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/12/gilgamesh-4-blessings-of-the-flesh/">The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards</a> ~ 5. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/23/gilgamesh5nature/">Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards</a> ~ This post ~ 7. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/">A Goddess Prays</a> </span><span style="color: #808080;">8. <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/">The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets</a></span><span style="color: #808080;">]<sup>1</sup></p>
<p>Since the <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/23/gilgamesh5nature/">last &#8220;lecture&#8221;</a> five long months ago, I&#8217;ve left Gilgamesh and Enkidu stuck at the gates of Uruk, ready to journey to the Cedar Forest to kill the &#8220;evil&#8221; &#8211; or, depending on which god or mortal you listen to, &#8220;sacred&#8221; &#8211; monster Humbaba. Life got in the way since then. Click the footnote if you&#8217;re curious how.<sup>2</sup></p>
<p>Since I need to ease back into this world after such a long hiatus, let&#8217;s pause to catch an idea regarding that &#8220;evil <em>or</em> sacred&#8221; detail before it flits away. It&#8217;s worth lingering on.</p>
<h2>One Pleasure of Polytheism</h2>
<p>That Humbaba could be considered &#8220;sacred&#8221; by the god Enlil, but &#8220;evil&#8221; by the sun-god Shamash and the goddess Ninsun (who is also Gilgamesh&#8217; mother), suggests that religious dogmatism and absolute certainty about questions of good and evil, right and wrong, did not plague polytheistic religions the way they do religions with only one god &#8211; especially ones claiming, moreover, to possess <em>the</em> divinely-authored book.  Nobody claimed divine authorship of <em>Gilgamesh</em>, as far as I know. So the Sumero-Babylonians must have felt a nice bit of intellectual freedom to dispute it and discuss it as a result.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying that rabbis, theologians, and imams have endlessly disputed their texts too, of course. I&#8217;m just saying that there&#8217;s still a difference between a religious text acknowledged to be the work of humans, like <em>Gilgamesh</em>, and one attributed to the godhead itself, that seems to make an essential difference in how a culture relates to it.</p>
<p>Me? I&#8217;d prefer the Sumerian option. Whoever the first priest in history was to come up with the claim that &#8220;these are God&#8217;s very words,&#8221; or &#8220;God wrote this book,&#8221; was, wittingly or not, a political genius. Look at the power that gives members of our priestly classes to this day. People are more comfortable disputing an Einstein or a Darwin than they are their humble neighborhood preacher. It&#8217;s mind-boggling, really. (And, come to think of it, <em>literally</em>.)</p>
<p>Anyway, before leaving Uruk, I want to linger on a couple more details from Book III that I didn&#8217;t mention in the last installment. They happen after Gilgamesh announces his plan to kill Humbaba to Enkidu, and before he and Enkidu leave. They&#8217;re minor, but interesting enough &#8211; especially in light of what comes later.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try not to be a spoiler.</p>
<h2>The Birth of Something New</h2>
<p>We left Gilgamesh justifying his decision to commit, in Enkidu&#8217;s view, a <em>sacrilege</em> by arguing that, on the contrary, his act was <em>heroic</em>. In lines that Achilles would echo in the <em>Iliad</em> a thousand years later, Gilgamesh articulates the classic heroic answer to the classic existential question, &#8220;<a href="http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Alfie-lyrics-Joss-Stone/F8197096C4EC6763482570B4000EF1E2">What&#8217;s it all about, Alfie?</a>&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">We are not gods, we cannot ascend<br />
to heaven. No, we are mortal men.<br />
Only the gods live forever. <em>Our</em> days<br />
are few in number, and whatever we achieve<br />
is a puff of wind. Why be afraid then,<br />
since sooner or later death must come?</p>
<p>So since immortality is impossible, what&#8217;s the next best thing in life? An immortal <em>name</em>. In other words, that thing we call &#8220;fame.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I will make a <em>lasting name </em>for myself,<br />
<em>I will stamp my fame on men&#8217;s minds forever.</em></p>
<p>The Greeks would call this pure <em>hubris</em> &#8211; another great man thinking he&#8217;s a bit <em>too</em> great, and setting himself up for a tragic lesson thereby. As it turns out, the people of Uruk seem to see things this way too. First Enkidu, in tears, and then the city elders called to Gilgamesh&#8217;s throne to hear the announcement, ask Gilgamesh the same pointed question:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How can any man, <em>even you</em>,<br />
dare to enter the Cedar Forest?<br />
<em>Who among men or gods could defeat [Humbaba]?</em></p>
<p><em>Everybody</em> is counseling Gilgamesh to live his life restrained by traditional religious piety &#8211; Humbaba is Enlil&#8217;s guardian, thus holy; don&#8217;t defy the gods. They advise prudence instead of passion; humility, instead of hubris.</p>
<p>Moreover, <em>none of them believes Gilgamesh can achieve the goal he&#8217;s set for himself.</em></p>
<p>And when the elders finish their pleas, what is the King&#8217;s response? First, in another instance of that &#8220;double that balances&#8221; motif, since Enkidu is crying at his side: laughter. And after that, no response at all, other than a &#8220;Let&#8217;s get moving&#8221; to Enkidu. Gilgamesh has chosen bravery over cowardice, fame over oblivion, the chance of greatness over mediocrity. He&#8217;s chosen free human will over traditional religious fear.</p>
<p>This just might be the first written example of Humanism in the history of our species. And the court poets who polished this story over 2,000 years have several &#8220;wtf twists&#8221; about this in store for us yet.</p>
<p>More soon. I promise.</p>
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</p><p>[...] Next: 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7513">February 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/31/gilgamesh-2/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: this post ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man.] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7514">February 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/23/gilgamesh5nature/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero - Backwards: Unsucky English, Lecture 5 (Gilgamesh, cont&#8217;d) | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] The Gilgamesh Series So Far: 1. Gilgamesh: Dangerous Questions 2. The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job 3. Adam and Eve, Backwards 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7515">February 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2008/09/04/bizarro-adam-and-eve/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 3: Adam and Eve in Bizarro-World | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: this post~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man] [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7525">February 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://homeschool180.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Brussack</a> wrote:
</p><p>"People are more comfortable disputing an Einstein or a Darwin than they are their humble neighborhood preacher." -- I've been struck by this more than once attending a friend's funeral and hearing that the only true gate to eternity is the door of the preacher's church.</p><p></p><p>By the way, I hadn't known about Apture before visiting your site. Cool app. Very cool.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7526">February 17, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>It's a striking thing, isn't it Bob? Loved the sauce in your added twist.
</p><p>
</p><p>And Apture is indeed a nifty tool.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7530">February 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>Nice to see Gilgamesh back, Clay. A couple of things occurred to me as I read your post.  
</p><p>The first after reading this: "religious dogmatism and absolute certainty about questions of good and evil, right and wrong, did not plague polytheistic religions the way they do religions with only one god."  
</p><p>How can we get back there?  I've been having a case of the churchy heebeejeebees lately as the church I am vacationing from (as a Roman Catholic married to a Jew) has been doing its best to further alienate me (ecumenical conversation pointless; Holocaust denying priests reinstated, blah blah, blah).  One of my facebook 'friends' from high school posted this status update: "P-B- is I love going to church. Seriously, it is one of the awesome things in life."
</p><p>And then there was this comment on her status: "A-B-E- I feel the same way, and can you imagine how much people like us will LOVE heaven?!"
</p><p>I can't even begin to describe how uncomfortable/frightened/nauseous that makes me - 
</p><p>Point 2: You remind us that Gilgamesh was advised to be prudent not passionate; humble instead of proud.  And no one believes that he can do what he says he is going to.  He chooses "bravery over cowardice, fame over oblivion, the chance of greatness over mediocrity...free human will over traditional religious fear."  Well, I teach American Literature and in this I see the characters of Hester Prynne, Sethe, Dick Hunter (from Ragged Dick by Horatio Alger) Jay Gatsby, Daisy Miller, Huck Finn, Tom Joad, as well as Henry David Thoreau!  Gilgamesh seems to be the the ur-hero of all protagonists.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7532">February 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.soulycatholichs.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Charlie A. Roy</a> wrote:
</p><p>@ Clay
</p><p>The question of the problem of evil is perhaps one of the most intriguing out there.  For me the Christian answer lead to my faith taking on an adult form.   The answers to the problem are either: atheism, polytheism, idealism, or perhaps biblical theism.  Atheism denies God so no problem, polytheism attributes good to the good gods and evil to the bad gods, and idealism pretends evil doesn't exist.  The Christian answer is much more complex but perhaps one of the most overlooked passage in the New Testament was Luke 13 and Jesus' comment on the tragedy of the tower of Siloman.  Perhaps a conversation for another time.   
</p><p>
</p><p>@ Kate
</p><p>I would agree the branch of ecumenism seems to be bending in a disturbing way as of late.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Charlie A. Roys last blog post..<a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2009/02/watching-web-20-deepen-learning.html" rel="nofollow">Watching Web 2.0 Deepen Learning</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7534">February 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>This is a general response to the entire series so far.  You have several premises which I would like to address.  These will be very brief, although I may flesh them out later in my own blog.  
</p><p>
</p><p>1. Civilization is good.
</p><p>I don't see how this is supported by the text.  On the one hand, one could argue that Gilgamesh showing off his walls to the boatman supports it, but it seems that the wooing of Enkidu, making him "fit" for civilization, also robs him of his power and innocence.  That is, to be civilized is to be separate from and feared by nature.  
</p><p>
</p><p>2. Sex is good.
</p><p>Again, I don't see how the text supports this.  First, Shamat uses sex, basically, to rob Enkidy of vitality and power (taking his breath/life with her kisses).  Second, Enkidu initially curses her for corrupting him as he is dying.  Third, even when he is blessing her, one of his blessings is that she will steal the husband of the wife who has seven children.  Even if they thought it was good then for prostitutes, even temple prostitutes, to do this, I hope we would disagree!
</p><p>
</p><p>3. How the Bible is A) derivative and B) substandard
</p><p>I absolutely agree that the Bible is obviously influenced by the cultures in which the Hebrews sojourned.  "Job" is a monotheistic retelling of "The Poem of the Righteous Sufferer."  "Ecclesiastes" reads like a longer version of "The Babylonian Theodicy."  And the 10 Commandments are a shortened version of the 42 Laws of Ma'at.  I would argue that shows their unfolding understanding of their God.  
</p><p>
</p><p>Further, I would argue that you do the Bible a disservice.  Some random observations (attempting to limit my observations to the Old Testament):
</p><p>- The Bible is more feminist.  In Gilgamesh, Enkmidu never considers Shamat as a potential friend.  It must be a male.  In the Bible, Adam's mate is a woman.
</p><p>- In the contest between Dumuzi (Tammuz) and Enkmidu (which reflects Cain and Abel), Ishtar chooses Dumuzi (the shepherd) over Enkmidu (the farmer) like God chooses Abel (the shepherd) over Cain (the farmer).  Although Ishtar did prefer Enkmidu initially.  But, later in the Bible, Cain kills Abel and then makes the first city.  I think that's important.  The first city, with walls and pollution and war and such was made by the first murderer.  
</p><p>- This isn't from Gilgamesh, but why did the Mesopotamian pantheon make humans?  Why, as their slaves!  To work for them, make food for them, and give them an easier life.  Why did the God of the Bible make humans?  To put them in paradise, to love them, to make them happy.  
</p><p>- In both Gilgamesh and the Bible, the woman gives "the fruit" to the man.  But it is significant that, in the Bible, it is only when the woman AND the man have eaten that their "eyes are opened."  In Gilgamesh, the woman is, basically, the snake ... the tempter (or "ress").
</p><p>
</p><p>I could go on, but moving on to your claims in this post:
</p><p>
</p><p>4. Polytheism isn't dogmatic
</p><p>First, polytheistic priests are every bit as dogmatic as monotheistic ones.  Hammurabi didn't hem or haw in his Code (given by Shamash).  Anu didn't give a waiver.  So don't blame God if monotheists are assholes.  Second, so what if they argue about what is right and wrong?  They're petty and they play games with humans, from Gilgamesh to the Iliad to ... ummmm ... some other famous polytheistic text, the gods are worse than my students.  Third, as Socrates would say, if there are gods, and the gods are not in agreement, then there must be a higher Good to which they aspire.  It is that Good that I, and other monotheists, worship and hope to emulate.  It is in our attempt to force others to follow our interpretation that we fail, not in our attempt to follow Truth.
</p><p>
</p><p>5. Gilgamesh is a humanist.
</p><p>He might be.  He certainly defies the gods and his own mortality.  But, like Odysseus, he is dashed against the immovable rocks of gods and fate.  If anything, the poem says, "Try as you might, you will fail.  Maybe, if you're lucky, and especially pathetic, you'll be remembered."  Even Odysseus became a priest of Poseidon in the end.  
</p><p>
</p><p>So, there you go.  I think you are confusing God with His followers.  We're raging assholes.  Please don't blame Him for us.  And, for all its failings, I must laud the Old Testament for this.  It takes the hopelessness of Mesopotamian mythology and philosophy and the aristocracy of Egyptian religion and changes it into something much more humanist, hopeful and plebeian.  
</p><p>
</p><p>All that said, I love Gilgamesh and many, many thanks for pointing me to the Mitchell translation.  Wow!  Excellent read (which most Gilgamesh renderings are not).</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7535">February 18, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Kester, real quick - <i>excellent</i> challenges and extensions. I love it. If only authoritative books made space for readers challenges in the same way.
</p><p>
</p><p>I'll respond more soon. No time right now. Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time, and again. More soon.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7536">February 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Thanks for responding and I look forward to hearing more.  Two quick notes.  Pardon my "Enkidy" typos and "The Babylonian Theodicy" is supposed to be "Dialogue of Pessimism."</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html" rel="nofollow">κύκλος κλαν</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7537">February 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Don't forget Discordianism.  I think there might be a future for something called "Ismism" which would be, I suppose, belief in belief?</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html" rel="nofollow">κύκλος κλαν</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7538">February 18, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on how the Tower analogy applies to theodicy. My ears for Luke 13, which I just re-read, must not be long enough. It didn't speak to me. Why is "repenting or perishing" a key to the existence of evil? (And that's assuming we agree that this seems to be the thrust of both the Galileans' executions and the Siloman tower analogies.)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7539">February 19, 2009</a>, <a href='http://speroni-substance.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Speroni</a> wrote:
</p><p>@Charlie
</p><p>
</p><p>Morality (ideas of right and wrong or good and evil) really have little to do with religion, even though religion. If we were to take the bible at face value, we would still have slaves and women would be 3rd class citizens, the fact is morality continues to grow, even though God's word stagnates. I like this explaination of morality better. 
</p><p>
</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development
</p><p>
</p><p>Also, food for thought: 
</p><p>
</p><p>http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/godTaoist.html
</p><p>
</p><p>@Kester
</p><p>
</p><p>Don't forget Pastafarianism:
</p><p>
</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
</p><p>
</p><p>@Gilgamesh
</p><p>
</p><p>Man you have a chip on your shoulder. Already king of the first and greatest city and you have to go around killing innocent evil monsters to prove a point.  Hubris, as it has been mentioned, shall be your downfall.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Speronis last blog post..<a href="http://speroni-substance.blogspot.com/2009/01/we-are-indeed.html" rel="nofollow">We are indeed</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7546">February 20, 2009</a>, <a href='http://dmcordell.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>diane</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay,
</p><p>
</p><p>I didn't analyze or deeply ponder this little essay, just followed the shiny words in delight. Humanism - yes! How wonderfully attainable and...human.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>dianes last blog post..<a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2009/02/five-changes-to-education-new-meme.html" rel="nofollow">Five Changes to Education--A new Meme</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7566">February 22, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Speroni, that "Stages of Moral Development" link is a keeper. Thanks for dropping it.
</p><p>
</p><p>(Sorry your comment was stuck in the spam queue for so long. Chalk it up to an insane backlog.)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7567">February 22, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Kester, okay, as promised (and hurried!):
</p><p>
</p><p>1. I think I've said on several occasion that civilization is given a very ambiguous treatment in my view. I'm tracing it, and won't wrap it up until I wrap the series up.
</p><p>
</p><p>2. I've already talked about sex being complex in this work too. I'm not going to get ahead of the series by addressing parts of the text I haven't reached yet, so stay tuned. But I hope you'll meet me at least on the contrast of sex and gender seen in Gilgamesh/Shamhat in comparison with Genesis/Eve, and Sumero-Babylonian culture v. ancient Hebrew?
</p><p>
</p><p>3. We agree the Bible is derivative of the more ancient culture of Mesopotamia. "Substandard" is a value judgment, and can't be applied in a blanket manner. I'll continue trying to qualify any comparisons that way as I go. But since you subscribe to the Biblical belief system, it seems, and I don't in many ways, we're bound to disagree about a lot.
</p><p>
</p><p>4. I was making a simple observation: in a polytheistic system in which god A says "x is good," and god B says "x is bad," it seems individuals within that context have little choice but to <i>reflect and decide</i> which god they believe is right. In a monotheistic system in which there is nothing but single dictates by a single god, I argue there is less room for such moral deliberation. 
</p><p>
</p><p>I don't think we should attribute Platonic idealism to Socrates. That came in Plato's later dialogues, long after Socrates' death and Plato's departure into abstractions we have no evidence Socrates entertained. Socrates is a mouthpiece in the later dialogues for Plato's unfolding philosophical journey. (I don't buy Plato, either, fwiw. Neither did Aristotle.)
</p><p>
</p><p>5. I'm not finished with my take on the lessons of the epic re: Gilgamesh's "humanist revolt." It's not so simple, I agree, and will argue as I go.
</p><p>
</p><p>Love your humble and salty close. I don't find it so easy to exculpate religious texts from their consequences in human society, though.
</p><p>
</p><p>I do agree that the Old Testament <i>did</i> advance Middle Eastern social ethics in several admirable ways - but you have to grant that those advances were ultimately racist and authoritarian, insofar as they only applied to "the Chosen," and still demanded unquestioning obedience from those Chosen.
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</p><p>Peace out for now.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7568">February 22, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Thanks Diane. I can't wait for life to slow down so I can speed up.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7576">February 23, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Speroni,</p><p></p><p>I considered Pastafarianism, but I'm prone to nightmares.  Speaking of mares, if I were to stray from my current beliefs, I think I'd become a worshiper of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.  (http://www.invisiblepinkunicorn.com/ipu/home.html)  In addition to being more friendly, it's also invisible (so as not to cause aforesaid nightmares).  </p><p></p><p>Regarding morality and the relationship to religion, let me twist that a bit.  For some theists, our religion is not so much adherence to a religion, but the end of a search for Truth.  Think less Inquisition and more Socrates.  In that sense, religion has quite a bit to do with morality.</p><p></p><p>[Spoiler redacted - Clay] (Sorry, Kester!)</p><p></p><p>I thank you for the links as well.  Food for thought.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html" rel="nofollow">κύκλος κλαν</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7578">February 24, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Speroni, @Kester,
</p><p>
</p><p>Do you guys mind if I edit out the parts of your comments that play "spoiler" for those who haven't read the full story?
</p><p>
</p><p>A weird question, I know :P</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7579">February 24, 2009</a>, <a href='http://speroni-substance.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Speroni</a> wrote:
</p><p>Sorry about that, you can rescind the last comment.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Speronis last blog post..<a href="http://speroni-substance.blogspot.com/2009/01/we-are-indeed.html" rel="nofollow">We are indeed</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7583">February 24, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay, feel free to delete this if it is a spoiler (you might be going to flesh out this idea later, even though it's already happened in the text you've covered).  But you had hinted at Enkidu as Gilgamesh's lover.  I had wondered about that myself, because it says they embraced "as a husband embraces a wife".  I wonder what exactly that means.  Does it mean physical or emotional intimacy?  
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</p><p>Also, Clay, I will respond to your comments soon.  Need to ponder them some more.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html" rel="nofollow">κύκλος κλαν</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7584">February 24, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Hi Kester,</p><p></p><p>The possible homosexuality is as ambiguous to me as it is to you, I think. I normally respond to the question with a shrug anyway, because it seems pretty clear that sexual norms change dramatically in space and time. Were Achilles and Patroclus lovers in the Iliad? Jonathan and David in the Old Testament? I don't know. </p><p></p><p>I've never had much interest in the question until now, though, so thanks for bringing it up. </p><p></p><p>Because if not only non-marital/non-monogamous heterosexual activity, but also homosexual, are suggested as normative in this text, it supplies us with another interesting possible causative argument for the pretty harsh anti-homosexuality in so much of the Jewish Law in the Torah.</p><p></p><p>If Eve is an example of Hebrew <i>ressentiment</i> of the Goddess-culture surrounding it - and especially that of Judea's Babylonian conquerors - then maybe the "abomination" of homosexuality is similarly what Joseph Campbell calls a "mythic inversion" of an enemy's culture.</p><p></p><p>It's possible. Not sure how plausible. Thoughts?</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7588">February 25, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hey, Clay.  
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</p><p>Given Greek culture, I'd be willing to bet that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers.  Women seemed, at best, vessels for procreation to them.  Given Jewish culture, I'd say no for Jonathan and David, despite David's assertion that Jonathan's love was "better than the love of a woman."  But I wouldn't be surprised, either.  Perhaps the myriad commands regarding it (although there aren't quite as many as I once thought) are evidence that it was rather common.  
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</p><p>But I don't know enough about Mesopotamian culture in that regard to hazard a guess.  It seems that, for the Greeks, the homosexuality went hand in hand with a denigration of women.  Only a male could be an equal, thus, only a male could be a true lover.  There seems to be a similar denigration of women in Mesopotamia if the Cuneiform Codes and even "Epic of Gilgamesh" can be taken as evidence.  I note that especially when Enkidu seeks a "true friend" which he apparently can't find in Shamat.  And I definitely sense an attitude of "if it feels good, do it" (or him).  
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</p><p>I'm never sure what to make of homosexuality in the Bible.  It's only mentioned once, and in a glancing way, in the NT.  In the OT, it's mentioned several times, but in the same lists as "disobedient to parents", touching dead people and such.  Unclean or disruptive to the community, not evil.  Even Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't seem to be about homosexuality as Ezekiel 16 lists their sins as the following: pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.  Sounds more like the U.S. than anything.
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</p><p>If I were to guess, it seems like the OT connects marriage with procreation.  Don't "spill your seed" or get it on with a dude 'cause it won't make babies.  But that's a guess.  Most of the things labeled as "serious" sins make sense to me.  That one ... I just don't get it.  
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</p><p>Also, if it were "mythic inversion," I would think it would be more associated with Egypt than Babylon.  Abraham had come from Ur, but Israel hadn't been established in Canaan yet when the majority of the Torah was written.  
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</p><p>Regardless, I think it entirely plausible that Gilgamesh and Enkidu found physical pleasure with one another.  The Celts did it before battles.  The Bushido has codes regulating homosexual relationships.  Now that I think of it, I'd kind of be surprised if they didn't.  But it's hard to base it on hard evidence because I just don't know what "embraced like a husband embraces a wife" might have meant 5,000 years ago.
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</p><p>More on Eve in another response.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html" rel="nofollow">κύκλος κλαν</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7589">February 25, 2009</a>, <a href='http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kester</a> wrote:
</p><p>OK, Clay, here we goooooo ....
</p><p>
</p><p>1 &amp; 5. Will reserve judgment on civilization and "Gilgamesh as humanist" for now ... but would like to throw in that, if my Cain/Abel theory holds, whatever might have been meant by "fill the earth and subdue it" is NOT what we have done.
</p><p>
</p><p>(Skipping 2 for a moment)
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</p><p>3. We probably will disagree about the Bible, although I definitely don't idolize it as many Christians do, nor do I think God dictated it word for word.  The "Brick Testament" does a fine job of pointing out some of the idiocy in the pages.  (http://www.thebricktestament.com/)  That said, I think almost all religious works are derivative, especially polytheistic ones.  Also, I would say that, because the Hebrews were OF the ancient culture of Mesopotamia, it is their culture as well.  It's not derivative if it partially belonged to you in the first place.
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</p><p>4. I might agree that Polytheism is kind of an ancient version of post-modernism, except the texts don't back it up.  When one didn't properly obey a given god, that god would show you who is boss 'till you did and you were sunk unless some other god came to your aid.  Thus, it was less about human decision-making and more about which god was the most powerful.
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</p><p>I agree about Platonic Idealism and Socrates.  However, it is generally agreed that, of all Plato's works, the "Apology" (in which Socrates made the argument that there must be a higher good than the gods) is a fairly accurate representation of Socrates' thought moreso than Plato's.  
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</p><p>(On a related note, I wrote a children's book meant to be the first in a series to introduce the ideas and personages of philosophy to kids so as to better teach it in middle and high school.  I'd love to get your response to it.)
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</p><p>But I will agree on this.  Whether polytheist or monotheist, it seems that the human ultimately becomes arbiter of what s/he believes to be true.  In a post-Hume world where even basic cause-and-effect relationships can be questioned, it must be so.  And I'm willing to concede that polytheistic gods, while more petty about taking offense, seem to give more leeway about right and wrong.  
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</p><p>2. Regarding sex and gender in Mesopotamian vs. Hebrew culture, I can agree there is a difference, but I think that Hebrew wins out.  I'll limit my answers to the parts of the text you've already covered:
</p><p>- Eve vs. Shamat: Eve succumbs to the tempter and tempts her husband.  Only when he eats is innocence lost.  Shamat IS the temptress, sucking the life from Enkidu and taking his innocence.  The OT serpent says "you will be like God ..." Shamat says, "you are like the gods..."  Enkidu, realizing that she has taken his innocence, is angry with her even then, long before ... what happens later.  
</p><p>- As I've already mentioned, Eve is the partner for Adam.  Enkidu seeks another male.  Why is Shamat not good enough?
</p><p>- In both the OT and the Cuneiform Codes, women can be considered 2nd or 3rd class citizens.  I certainly wouldn't say the OT was any worse.
</p><p>- Mesopotamian religion certainly seemed more laissez faire about sex in general.  But that attitude seemed tied in with a certain disdain for women, an objectification I find disconcerting.  Gilgamesh orders Shamat to lure Enkidu.  I'm not a statist regarding prostitution (really, about anything); but it bothers me.  It makes me wonder how many of the "sisters of the gods" at the temples chose their vocation willingly.  I don't like the fear and disgust at menstrual cycles in the Bible, but I am at least as disturbed by the way women seem to be receptacles of male lust in Gilgamesh.  
</p><p>- Will hold off on Ishtar as represented in the text.  But you know what I mean.  
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</p><p>Regarding religious texts and their influences on society, I agree.  But I see that with almost any text.  Marx led to Stalin.  Nietzsche led to Hitler.  Both of those were devoid of God.  Mohammed led to Bin Ladin.  Bible led to Bush.  Aztec mythology led to a veritable assembly line of human sacrifice.  The only reason the Bible seems worse is because the Christian Church ended up on the top of the heap for a long time.  
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</p><p>That said, I hold Christians more accountable than the others.  They are more culpable... WE are more culpable if only because we had an Example to live up to, and we failed miserably.  What's worse, we stamped His name on our racism, our genocide, our intolerance and our wars.  If I believe in Truth, then I have to be honest about the bad stuff, too.  
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</p><p>Thanks for engaging me on this.  If I sound like a jerk, it's more because I'm really interested and passionate.  And I know you have a billion other responses to get to as well.  (I'm jealous.)  Take your time.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kesters last blog post..<a href="http://poor-blogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html" rel="nofollow">κύκλος κλαν</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7601">February 27, 2009</a>, <a href='http://feeds.bscopes.com/2009/02/27/blog-beyond-school/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Blog: Beyond School | Bscopes Feeds</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] Blog: Beyond School tagged with: education  Post: http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/ [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7657">March 10, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.ejroberts.com/2009/03/part-of-problem-or-part-of-solution.html' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Freestyle Pen: Part of the problem or part of the solution?</a> wrote:
</p><p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] School     Unsucky English, Lecture 6: Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man   2 weeks [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7690">March 16, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 7: A Goddess Prays | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] [The Unsucky English Gilgamesh series so far: 1: Dangerous Questions ~ 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good, Evil, Nature, and the Hero, Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Dawn of Man]1 [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7702">March 16, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>FYI, number 7 is up: <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/16/gilgamesh-7-goddess-prays/" rel="nofollow">A Goddess Prays</a></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-7729">March 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://intensedebate.com/people/cburell' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>cburell</a> wrote:
</p><p>Number 8 is up: <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/03/18/gilgamesh-8-modern-mischief/" target="_blank">The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets</a> </p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-8013">June 26, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Lecture 9 is up: <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/" rel="nofollow">Gilgamesh and the <i>Original</i> "Original Sin"</a>.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/#comment-8085">July 4, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Gilgamesh and the Original Original Sin: Unsucky English Lecture 9 | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] no human could succeed at this task against the gods&#8217; will, Gilgamesh laughs possibly the first atheist&#8217;s laugh in history &#8211; or literature, anyway &#8211; and off he and Enkidu go to slay the [...]</p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="2016" /></p></form>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My homey Dean Shareski, whose name fits Saskatechewan perfectly, <a href="http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/12/29/7-things-you-might-not-know-about-me/">tagged me</a> for some sort of meme about something like &#8220;7 Things You Might Not Know About Me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like Dean, I already did a similar meme about <em>eight</em> things, so pardon me for fiddling with this one for the sake of self-pleasuring.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to give it a musical bent.</p>
<h2>7 Things You Might Not Know About My Musical Tastes</h2>
<p><strong>1. Joni Mitchell Slays Me</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_1985" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 250px"><img class="size-full wp-image-1985" title="joni-blue" src="http://beyond-school.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/joni-blue.jpg" alt="joni-blue" width="240" height="240" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Blue Goddess.</p></div>
<p>I&#8217;ve been listening to almost nothing but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joni_Mitchell">Joni Mitchell</a>&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Joni-Mitchell/dp/B000002KBU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1232273424&amp;sr=8-1"><em>Blue</em></a> on my drives to and from my weekend work at the radio station for the past two months. I would marry Joni in a heartbeat for the mere pleasure of looking over her shoulder as she wrote her lyrics. They stand right up there with Keats and Shakespeare, *hrumph-hrumph*, <em>mutatis mutandis</em>,  in my book. Add to that the purity of her voice as it navigates the crushingly brave but fragile melodic lines of her songs, and you can add me to the list of those who are, to quote Keats in the &#8220;<a href="http://quotations.about.com/cs/poemlyrics/a/Ode_On_Melancho.htm">Ode on Melancholy</a>,&#8221; &#8220;among her cloudy trophies hung.&#8221;</p>
<p>God, <em>Blue</em> is perfection. Where to start? &#8220;All I Want&#8221; should be sung at every wedding:</p>
<blockquote><p>All I really, really want our love to do<br />
Is just bring out the best in me and you, too&#8230;.</p>
<p>I want to talk to you<br />
I want to shampoo you</p></blockquote>
<p>(&#8211;that &#8220;talk to you&#8221; / &#8220;shampoo you&#8221; rhyme slays me in rhyme, image, and whim.)</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to renew you<br />
Again and again<br />
Applause, applause,<br />
Life is our cause.<br />
When I think of your kisses<br />
My mind see stars.</p></blockquote>
<p>I could go on and on, and will a bit more. (But you&#8217;ll have to click to read it below the fold:</p>
<p><span id="more-1984"></span>How about &#8220;California,&#8221; with its lines,</p>
<blockquote><p>I met a redneck on a Grecian Isle,<br />
He did the goat dance very well.<br />
He gave me back my smile,<br />
Though he kept my camera to sell.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s more to say about &#8220;California&#8221; &#8211; especially the concluding &#8220;Will you take me as I am?&#8221; plea at the end, which comes as close to an &#8220;essential question&#8221; and bone-deep prayer to Life as anything anyone could want &#8211; but really, you have to hear it to love it.</p>
<p>How about the crushing &#8220;The Last Time I Saw Richard&#8221;?</p>
<blockquote><p>The last time I saw Richard<br />
was Detroit in &#8216;68<br />
and he told me<br />
&#8216;All romantics meet the same fate<br />
someday, cynical and drunk,<br />
and boring some stranger<br />
in some dark cafe.</p></blockquote>
<p>(I&#8217;m generally not a drinker, but otherwise I get Richard.)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;You laugh,&#8217; he said,<br />
&#8216;You think you&#8217;re immune -<br />
Go look at your eyes<br />
They&#8217;re full of moon</p>
<p>You like roses and kisses<br />
and pretty men to tell you<br />
All those pretty lies, pretty lies<br />
When you gonna realise theyre only pretty lies<br />
Only pretty lies, just pretty lies.&#8217;</p>
<p>He put a quarter in the wurlitzer,<br />
and he pushed three buttons<br />
and the thing began to whirr<br />
And a bar maid came by<br />
in fishnet stockings and a bow tie<br />
And she said<br />
&#8216;Drink up now its gettin on time to close.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Richard, you haven&#8217;t really changed,&#8217; I said<br />
&#8216;It&#8217;s just that now you&#8217;re romanticizing<br />
some pain that&#8217;s in your head.<br />
You got tombs in your eyes,<br />
but the songs you punched are dreams -<br />
Listen &#8211; they sing of love so sweet,<br />
love so sweet<br />
When you gonna get yourself back on your feet?<br />
Oh and love can be so sweet, love so sweet.&#8217;</p>
<p>Richard got married to a figure skater<br />
And he bought her a dishwasher<br />
and a coffee percolator<br />
And he drinks at home now most nights<br />
with the tv on<br />
And all the house lights left up bright.</p>
<p>&#8216;I&#8217;m gonna blow this damn candle out.<br />
I dont want nobody coming over to my table,<br />
I got nothing to talk to anybody about.<br />
All good dreamers pass this way some day,<br />
Hiding behind bottles<br />
in dark cafes.<br />
Dark cafes<br />
Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings<br />
And fly away<br />
Only a phase, these dark cafe days.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sheesh. To quote Frank Zappa, &#8220;Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.&#8221; Just go buy or download <em>Blue</em>. And <em>Court and Spark</em>. And <em>Ladies of the Canyon</em>. And <em>Hejira </em>(oh my god, <em>Hejira</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m porous with travel fever,<br />
But you know I&#8217;m so glad to be on my own.<br />
Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger<br />
Can set up trembling in my bones.</p>
<p>I know &#8211; no one&#8217;s going to show me everything.<br />
We all come and go I know.<br />
Each so deep and superficial<br />
Between the forceps and the stone.</p>
<p>Well I looked at the granite markers<br />
Those tributes to finality, to eternity -<br />
And then I looked at myself here<br />
Chicken scratching for my immortality.</p>
<p>In the church they light the candles<br />
And the wax rolls down like tears:<br />
There&#8217;s the hope and the hopelessness<br />
I&#8217;ve witnessed thirty years.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re only particles of change I know, I know<br />
Orbiting around the sun;<br />
But how can I have that point of view<br />
When I&#8217;m always bound and tied to someone?</p>
<p>White flags of winter chimneys<br />
Wave truce against the moon<br />
In the mirrors of a modern bank<br />
From the window of a hotel room.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I quit. Just listen. (And Joni, if you&#8217;re reading this, and despite the charge of bigamy, can we talk?)</p>
<p><strong>2. Gustav Mahler&#8217;s Symphony Number 9 (and 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and unfinished 10th, plus <em>Das Lied von der Erde </em>- &#8220;The Song of the Earth&#8221;) was, I&#8217;m convinced, penned by (choose your) God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_1986" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 193px"><img class="size-full wp-image-1986" title="mahler" src="http://beyond-school.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mahler.jpg" alt="God." width="183" height="250" /><p class="wp-caption-text">God.</p></div>
<p>I discovered <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahler">Mahler</a> in Los Angeles in the early &#8217;80s, thanks to the divine intervention of Nat King Cole&#8217;s adopted son Kelly, who died of AIDS in the &#8217;90s. Kelly saw me in Ship&#8217;s Coffee Shop on Wilshire Boulevard in Westwood, near UCLA,  one 3 a.m. reading Thomas Mann&#8217;s novella <em>Death in Venice,</em> and mistook me for other than straight (no harm done, it&#8217;s happened many a time). He sat next to me at the counter and struck up a conversation about literature that led to my impressionable young self declaring Humanities as my major and Mahler and Beethoven as my gods. Then he dumped me when he realized I was woefully immature and, possibly worse, irremediably straight (I didn&#8217;t choose this, it&#8217;s just me).</p>
<p>Anyway, he lent me his Mahler LP&#8217;s and, long story short, after a few failed attempts to hear the divinity, one magic listen to the First (the &#8220;Titan&#8221;) finally delivered it. This ex-semi-hillbilly ploughed through and memorized Symphonies One through Six, never got Seven and Eight, and to this day considers the Ninth the most perfect artwork he&#8217;s ever encountered.</p>
<p>Why? The first movement, to me, captures the full range of Mahler&#8217;s emotions as he coped with the news that, at roughly 51 years of age, a terminal heart condition meant a tragically early end to his life. (I don&#8217;t care, frankly, about the factual accuracy of this interpretation. If it&#8217;s a fiction, which it may be, it works for me. Why not in Art as it is in Religion?)</p>
<p>The murmuring cellos are the murmuring heart. The falling thirds are the tender acceptance of a mortality that can&#8217;t be forestalled, and the beautiful expression of the same. The chaos of the middle and end of the movement are the gamut of other emotions &#8211; rage, despair, metaphysical searches (against hope) for consolation, on and on.</p>
<p>Then, BAM, the second movement is an entirely funky burlesque that breaks all rules of decorum. Mahler seems to be giving the finger to critics who accused him of lacking skill in counterpoint, so he gives it to them with a vengeance. The guy&#8217;s so cool &#8211; he goes out of this life not crying, but showing his ass and his scorn in unparalleled sublimity. The second movement rocks.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly care for the third movement, but the final fourth makes its peace with mortality in a way that, musically at least, bridges the way to heaven. It doesn&#8217;t end so much as die, quietly and exquisitely. I defy you identify exactly where the performance stops and the silence begins.</p>
<p>To quote <em>Das Lied von der Erde, </em></p>
<blockquote><p>Dunkel ist das Lieben,<br />
Ist der Tod.</p>
<p>[Sad is life,<br />
is death.]</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>3. I would also marry Nick Cave &#8211; and I&#8217;m straight.</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_1988" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 250px"><img class="size-full wp-image-1988" title="nick-cave-by-grinderman" src="http://beyond-school.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nick-cave-by-grinderman.jpg" alt="Also God." width="240" height="180" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Also God.</p></div>
<p>Jesus, where to start.</p>
<p>From his early &#8220;Kicking Against the Pricks&#8221; LP, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cave">Cave</a> reminded me of William Blake in his ability to &#8220;marry Heaven and Hell.&#8221; (The structure of his song, &#8220;The Hammer and the Anvil&#8221; on that album is also reminiscent of Blake.)</p>
<p>Cave&#8217;s blend of diabolical anger and aggression with angelic tenderness and romanticism (not to mention his deftness at blending Christianity and Eroticism) just does it for me. (Puritan alert: skip the following lyrics &#8211; you won&#8217;t get their beauty:)</p>
<blockquote><p>The butcher bird makes its noise<br />
And asks you to agree<br />
With its brutal nesting habits<br />
And its pointless savagery.</p>
<p>Now, the nightingale sings to you<br />
And raises up the ante.<br />
I put one hand on your round ripe heart<br />
And the other down your panties.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Everything is falling, dear;<br />
Everything is wrong.<br />
It&#8217;s just history repeating itself.<br />
And babe, you turn me on -</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Like a light bulb.<br />
Like a song.</p>
<p>You race naked through the wilderness;<br />
You torment the birds and the bees.<br />
You leap into the abyss, but find<br />
It only goes up to your knees.</p>
<p>I move stealthily from tree to tree;<br />
I shadow you for hours.<br />
I make like I&#8217;m a little deer<br />
Grazing on the flowers.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Everything is collapsing, dear;<br />
All moral sense has gone.<br />
It&#8217;s just history repeating itself<br />
And babe, you turn me on.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Like an idea,<br />
Like an Atom bomb.</p>
<p>We stand awed inside a clearing,<br />
We do not make a sound.<br />
The crimson snow falls all about,<br />
Carpeting the ground.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Everything is falling, dear;<br />
All rhyme and reason gone.<br />
It&#8217;s just history repeating itself<br />
And, babe, you turn me on.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Like an idea,<br />
Like an Atom bomb.</p></blockquote>
<p>I also love these heretically holy lines from &#8220;The Gates of the Garden,&#8221; which, again, are so channeling Blake (think &#8220;The Sick Rose&#8221; or &#8216;The Garden of Love&#8221;). It&#8217;s set in a churchyard, in which stand a lover and his beloved:<span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;"><br />
</span></p>
<blockquote><p>Leave these ancient places to the angels.<br />
Let the saints attend to their keeping of the cathedrals.<br />
And leave the dead beneath the ground so cold,<br />
For God is in this hand that I hold -<br />
As we open up the gates of the garden.</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t you meet me at the gates<br />
Won&#8217;t you meet me at the gates<br />
Won&#8217;t you meet me at the gates<br />
To the garden</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;God is in this hand / that I hold.&#8221; Slay me. (Then remind me of the cynicism of Joni&#8217;s &#8220;The Last Time I Saw Richard&#8221;: &#8220;All romantics meet the same fate / Someday cynical and drunk &#8230;. in some dark cafe&#8230;. / Pretty lies.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I love Cave&#8217;s disdain for modern mediocrity; it rings of Nietzsche:</p>
<blockquote><p>Back on the street I saw a great big smiling sun,<br />
It was a Good day and an Evil day and all was bright and new,<br />
And <strong>it seemed to me that most destruction was being done<br />
By those who could not choose between the two</strong>.</p>
<p>Amateurs, dilettantes, hacks, cowboys, clones<br />
The streets groan with little Caesars, Napoleons and cunts<br />
With their building blocks and their tiny plastic phones<br />
Counting on their fingers, with crumbs down their fronts.</p>
<p>I passed by your garden, saw you with your flowers -<br />
The Magnolias, Camellias and Azaleas so sweet -<br />
And I stood there invisible in the panicking crowds<br />
You looked so beautiful in the rising heat.</p>
<p><strong>I smell smoke, see little fires bursting on the lawns,<br />
People carry on regardless, listening to their hands.<br />
Great cracks appear in the pavement, the earth yawns,<br />
Bored and disgusted, to do us down.</strong></p>
<p>Babe<br />
It seems so long<br />
Since you&#8217;ve been gone<br />
And I<br />
Just got to say<br />
That it grows darker with the day.</p></blockquote>
<p>(If you roll your eyes at the apocalyptic nature of the poem, you&#8217;re not paying attention to the state of the planet. How many decades does our species have left, based on scientific research? If you say more than ten, I&#8217;m inclined to argue. But I hope I&#8217;m wrong.)</p>
<p>Cave&#8217;s two lectures, &#8220;The Flesh Made Word&#8221; and &#8220;The Secret Life of the Love Song,&#8221; are <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Life-Love-Song-Flesh/dp/1841660388/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1232272817&amp;sr=8-1">available on CD</a> as well. &#8220;The Flesh Made Word&#8221; is a stunning bit of prose-poetry theology via coming-of-age personal narrative. He&#8217;s one of the best heretics alive.</p>
<p><strong>Coda:</strong></p>
<p>Ah, sheesh. It&#8217;s time for a nap. Dean, thanks for starting this. It&#8217;s the most impossible post I&#8217;ve ever written.</p>
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</p><p>Thanks for sharing.  I'll have to check out these musicians.  I've been hording my itunes gift cards from Christmas.  Might have to do some shopping today.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Charlie A. Roys last blog post..<a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2009/01/putting-fun-in-fundraising.html" rel="nofollow">Putting the Fun in Fundraising</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7407">January 19, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>So, Clay - yes, and yes!  And that means I have to check out Nick Cave.  
</p><p>"Blue" and Joni Mitchell are such a part of a certain time in my life.  I wore the grooves out on my copy of Blue and have since replaced it, lost it, and replaced it.  "I wish I had a river I could skate away on."
</p><p>
</p><p>When I lived in Boston I auditioned for and was able to perform, for one weekend only!, at the Tanglewood Music Festival with the Boston Symphony Orchestra in the Festival Chorus.  Seiji Ozawa conducted Mahler's 3rd (with women's chorus - why I was there) Jessye Norman was soloist.  Between standing on stage in the Shed during rehearsals and performance, watching Ozawa conduct (the orchestra and curiously -me), being steps from Norman, and hearing the Mahler, I can understand the ecstatic mystic experience.
</p><p>
</p><p>Can't wait to read more.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kate Tabors last blog post..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/7-things-meme/" rel="nofollow">7 things meme</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7410">January 19, 2009</a>, <a href='http://ideasandthoughts.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Dean  Shareski</a> wrote:
</p><p>I"m sure you know but Joni Mitchell is also from Saskatchewan. In fact, she did an 8th grade english assignment on her and we arranged to spend the afternoon with Joni's parents. I still have the interview somewhere.  Her own music is highly influenced by her.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Dean  Shareskis last blog post..<a href="http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/01/16/ed-tech-posse-51/" rel="nofollow">Ed Tech Posse 5.1</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7412">January 19, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Kate - wow. Some of my earliest Mahler recordings were by Ozawa and/or the BSO (Erich Leinsdorf's BSO recording of the First is still my favorite. I _think_ it was the BSO.)
</p><p>
</p><p>Jessye Norman, too, was an early fave. And you freaking got to sing in the third?! The third mvmt's Midnight Song (based on my man Nietzsche's Zarathustra, no less!) is so beautiful. But not choral, so you sang the Das Knaben Wunderhorn song in the fourth? (And wow, you heard Norman sing the Midnight Song.)
</p><p>
</p><p>It's been so long since I've listened to it. Maybe I should.
</p><p>
</p><p>As for Joni, I'm not at all surprised you loved her. She's made for poetry lovers. I didn't "discover" her until I was in my 30s, strangely.
</p><p>
</p><p>And Nick Cave? Try "The Boatman's Call" and (my favorite, I think - ) "And No More Shall We Part." The 2 lectures are great for lovers of speaking and writing (and religious studies) too.
</p><p>
</p><p>Prepare to be tagged when I finish this thing ;-)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7413">January 19, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Dean, actually, I only knew she was from Canada. Your pronouns scrambled my brain in your comment, but anything you can offer about that - my god, I'll pay you to tell Joni's mom to read this "proposal" to her ;-) - I'm all ears for. I literally get chills every time I listen (closely) to so many of the songs on "Blue," (and other cd's), even after hundreds of listens. She's in a class of her own, in my book, as a lyricist, vocalist, and songwriter.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7414">January 19, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Charlie, oof, I hope the Cave recommendations to Kate came in time.
</p><p>
</p><p>As for Mahler? If he's new to you, I think chronological is the best journey. Following his development from beginning to end makes it easier to appreciate his late works, which are his greatest, but also least accessible (even to 'smart' people like you).
</p><p>
</p><p>Herbert von Karajan's Berlin Phil Symph. 5 is stunning. Leonard Bernstein is solid on them all. And Benjamin Zander does a fantastic version of the Ninth that also includes him talking through how to conduct it (which is also simply him expressing his love for it, detail by detail) that is a treasure in itself.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7415">January 19, 2009</a>, <a href='http://ideasandthoughts.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Dean Shareski</a> wrote:
</p><p>"pronouns scrambled the brain". Admittedly my comment scratched from my iPhone was not the best device to try and make a lucid comment. I've been fully chastised by a world class English teacher. It's as if my golf game was critiqued by Tiger Woods. 
</p><p>
</p><p>Dean willl try and find the footage and post the said footage on the Internet. (pretty sure I didn't use a pronoun there). ;-)</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Dean Shareskis last blog post..<a href="http://ideasandthoughts.org/2009/01/16/ed-tech-posse-51/" rel="nofollow">Ed Tech Posse 5.1</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7416">January 20, 2009</a>, <a href='http://dmcordell.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>diane</a> wrote:
</p><p>My daughter is a second-generation Joni Mitchell fan. You already knew, of course, that Joni is one of the few recognized female Dudes. Liked the way you linked Mahler and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, also.
</p><p>
</p><p>For dreamy poetic moments, I like Debussy, Impressionist painters, Portrait of Jenny (the movie) and Mallarme's "Afternoon of a Faun." Oh, and T.S. Eliot - his words sing to me.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>dianes last blog post..<a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2009/01/form-of-information.html" rel="nofollow">The Form of Information</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7418">January 20, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>Yes, I got to sing the Des Knaben Wunderhorn piece. It went by in a blink. I remember not even needing my music.  Norman was amazing.  Ozawa was like watching a dancer - and the horns!  The whole experience was incredible.  The night before we had performed Ravel's Daphnis et Chloé (with all those dreadful-to-sing wordless choir passages) under the baton of Charles Dutoit (who was a real jerk to all the musicians in my unschooled opinion).  That hour in the Shed did not prepare me for the next day's Mahler.  We sat and absorbed the music that came before us.  We rose in unison, Ozawa raised his face to us, and we sang: "Es sungen drei Engel einen süßen Gesang - three angels sang a joyful song." My middle school German got me through the pronunciation and it was not a far stretch to understand at a cellular level the idea of the joyful song that never ends and the angel choir.  Wow, I haven't thought about that day in a long time.  Many thanks for unlocking that memory for me.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Kate Tabors last blog post..<a href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/7-things-meme/" rel="nofollow">7 things meme</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7424">January 20, 2009</a>, <a href='http://msmichetti.edublogs.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Adrienne</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay, you didn't mention any jazz on this list - have you heard Herbie Hancock's River: The Joni Letters? Hancock and his producer "arranged the music to interpret or express the emotions of the lyrics." Check the album out <a href="http://www.herbiehancock.com/music/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It is truly a masterpiece. You can also listen to tracks on the <a>Verve website</a>. I often fantasize about doing something similar with other lyrics or poetry, but I'm not a talented enough musician.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Adriennes last blog post..<a href="http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2009/01/19/is-it-easy-being-green-my-visit-to-green-school/" rel="nofollow">Is It Easy Being Green? My Visit To Green School</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7430">January 21, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Tee hee. World-class prig, more like (and yes, that "g" was not a typo, and I did not intend to use an old April Fool's word).
</p><p>
</p><p>You kill me. Post it, man, post it.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7431">January 21, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Diane, so nice of you to fatten my reading and viewing list :)
</p><p>
</p><p>Joni's a Dudess. I just can't bring myself to call her a Dude.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7432">January 21, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Adrienne, Now this _is_ Part I. Jazz will come.
</p><p>
</p><p>I'll _try_ the Hancock, but don't hate me if I report back that it, like most post-Bop jazz (fusion and all of that) didn't do it for me. I like Hancock more just for recognizing Joni's genius.
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</p><p>Plan to listen soon. :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7433">January 21, 2009</a>, <a href='http://pukkalibrary.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Jennifer</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hey Clay,</p><p></p><p>"The Last Time I Saw Richard" is one of the best stories ever sung. Come to think of it, so is "River". So, for that matter, is "This Flight Tonight", and ... well, you know, I could go on. Blue and Hejira are indeed masterpieces. </p><p></p><p>If you care to venture into the jazzier side of Joni's songcrafting sometime, take a listen to "Mingus" ('79). It's just as brilliant, if a little bit more jarring to the ears. And I count "Hissing of Summer Lawns" ('75) among my favorite albums of all time.</p><p></p><p>Just had to write. Mahler? I don't know enough to know. Nick Cave I like, but haven't listened enough to feel very strongly about his lyrics. But I am a huge fan of Joni from way back ... pretty much as soon as I could understand the words, I was hooked.</p><p></p><p>Jennifer</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Jennifer's last blog post..<a href="http://pukkalibrary.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/instructional-technologist-in-quotes/" rel="nofollow">Instructional Technologist, “In Quotes”</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7533">February 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/seven-things-musical/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Meme Mash Up: 7 things and Music &laquo; Living on the Lip of Insanity</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] Clay Burell, was tagged for the  Seven Things You Might Not Know About Me meme - but felt he had &#8220;been there/done that&#8221; with an Eight Things meme not too long back.  So, he &#8220;fiddl[ed] with this one for the sake of self-pleasuring&#8221; (he really did say that) and gave &#8220;it a musical bent. [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7572">February 23, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.styleikons.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Patrick Anderson</a> wrote:
</p><p>After years of listening to classical music I discovered that my favourite period is the late 19th century with composers like Gustav Mahler, Richard Strauss, Richard Wagner and Vaughan Williams.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/music-mem/#comment-7582">February 24, 2009</a>, <a href='http://oomensm.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Mike Oomens</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hey Clay,
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</p><p>If Nick and Mahler are God, let me introduce you to the holy trinity...
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</p><p>The Dirty Three - Warren Ellis (violin), Mick Turner (guitar), Jim White (drums).
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</p><p>An instrumental three-piece from Melbourne whose live shows need to be seen to be believed. Will stop you dead in your tracks three days later. A complete live experience - drama, tears, joy and rock'n'roll. With a violin! 
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</p><p>Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEERfJDBZqA
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</p><p>Warren Ellis actually plays with the Bad Seeds so you've probably heard him already.
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</p><p>Find them and enjoy.
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</p><p>Cheers,
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</p><p>Mike.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Mike Oomenss last blog post..<a href="http://oomensm.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/filmism-or-how-a-blog-improved-thinking-about-film/" rel="nofollow">Filmism: Or how a blog improved thinking about Film.</a></abbr></em></p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="1984" /></p></form>

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<h2>The Wonderful World of International School Hiring Fairs</h2>
<p>It <em>was</em> wonderful, in a weird way. Talking for hours for four straight days to school leaders around the world about our views on teaching and learning (and most interestingly, though probably most damning for many of my job prospects, about <em>technology in education</em>) is an interesting way to spend the time.</p>
<p>Without naming names of schools or interviewers, here&#8217;s a random and sleepy-eyed report of lessons learned from the experience.</p>
<p><strong>1. Bad interviews are good things</strong></p>
<p>No matter the reputation of the school, the people sitting across from you in the hotel room asking you questions in that school&#8217;s name are a stronger indicator of how it would feel to work at that school. I talked to English department heads whose questions &#8211; and my answers &#8211; made it clear to both of us that we would, or would not, make a happy marriage. There was an unsurprising correlation between this marital element and the offering or non-offering of a position at each school. Schools touting themselves as &#8220;21st century schools&#8221; and banging their laptop program drums &#8211; and during interviews with which I expected flower petals to descend from on high &#8211; on an occasion or two turned out to instead voice sentiments belonging to, um, people who&#8217;d obviously never experienced the literacy magic that happens after a few months writing and conversing behind the wheel of a blog. No rose-petals there &#8211; instead, many mental leaves of wet cabbage fell, probably, in <em>both</em> our imaginations. Marriage for the next two years? We think not. Thank goodness for the bad interview, and for the &#8220;We&#8217;re sorry we cannot offer you a job at this time.&#8221; No apology necessary, really &#8211; good luck.</p>
<p><strong>2. &#8220;Energy is eternal delight&#8221; &#8211; so its opposite is&#8230;.?</strong></p>
<p>(h/t to William Blake who, though dead, deserves eternal credit for the eternally delightful maxim.) If, like mine, your own heart seems to pump more espresso than blood, then it may be important to consider the energy coming from those interviewing you. I&#8217;m not saying interviewers need to be manic or anything; I&#8217;m just saying a lack of excitement, of a sort of buoyancy &#8211; of even a decorously <em>restrained</em> intensity &#8211; when discussing educational vision while courting for a temporary professional marriage may be, well, <strong>a screaming red flag</strong>. Granted, the interviewers are stuck in their hotel rooms interviewing candidate after candidate for many more straight hours than the candidates themselves, but still &#8211; we&#8217;re all teachers, current or past, so we should be pretty good at keeping our energy level up whenever a professional client enters the room, be it classroom or hotel room. The short version? Beware the droopy interviewer, and put a gold star by the inspired/inspiring one. You are, after all, bound to be sitting in many more meetings with them if you sign the contract to work with them. If they&#8217;re sleepy, chances are you&#8217;ll be a sleepy worker with them. But if they&#8217;re exciting &#8211; in a way that rings true (and we all have what Hemingway calls a &#8220;shock-proof sh!t-detector,&#8221; don&#8217;t we, to distinguish real from fake excitement, yes?) &#8211; then consider fishing your pocket for that ring, and dropping to your knees on the spot.</p>
<p><strong>3. Interview questions make the interviewer.</strong></p>
<p>By the end of the first of my four days of interviewing, it struck me how different interviews are based on the questions asked (and not asked) by the interviewer. Some of them seemed as stilted and scripted as the worst end-of-chapter questions from the worst textbooks (redundant?). They felt less like interviews than exercises in checking off the questions boxes. It wasn&#8217;t quite &#8220;schooliness,&#8221; so can we call it &#8220;interviewiness&#8221;?</p>
<p>The best interviews, on the other hand, were more free-flowing and responsive, characterized by give-and-take expansiveness as one party or the other heard something no script could predict.</p>
<p><strong>4. Being yourself is better, come what may, than trying to be someone else.</strong></p>
<p>Think about it. Not only does pretending to be what you&#8217;re not cheat your interviewer &#8211; it also cheats you. Show your true colors now, so you&#8217;ll know whether it&#8217;ll be okay to show them over the length of your contract. I love the fact that, at my second interview with the two interviewers for the school I chose, Singapore American School, I replied to a question by saying something to the effect of, &#8220;There&#8217;s no denying that people&#8217;s first impression of me is often, &#8216;Damn, Burell, you&#8217;re too intense!&#8217; But after a while they see the rest of me, and realize I&#8217;m also mellow in my own way.&#8221; &#8220;Damn&#8221; is a soft enough word these days &#8211; and I certainly don&#8217;t toss out higher-level potty words like <em>rhymes-with-fit</em> or <em>ends-many-limericks-about-Nantucket</em> or <em>leads-to-supposedly-eternal-damnation</em> in professional company &#8211; and I wondered about the wisdom of the utterance after it escaped my mouth (and this <em>was</em> in like the middle of the second hour of the interview), but somehow the fact that the offer was still made left me feeling even happier than otherwise about accepting it when it came in hour three.</p>
<p><strong>5. Check your ego at the door.</strong></p>
<p>I got about an even mix of offers and rejections from the schools I talked to. One school in particular seemed so right after two interviews that getting the rejection note broadsided me with the force of a turbo-powered school bus. I bumped into one of the interviewers later, and he told me that choosing my competitor over me was the hardest decision they made the night before, and that it took them over an hour of group deliberation to make it. A rejection can happen for all sorts of reasons &#8211; maybe they needed yearbook experience you didn&#8217;t offer, or needed that administrator whose spouse happened to be a less-qualified candidate for the position you want. So don&#8217;t take it personally.</p>
<p><strong>6. Remember to research.</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I blew one interview by expressing my desire to get experience in a program they didn&#8217;t offer, and expressing my distaste for the one they did. Oops. I&#8217;d mistakenly thought they <em>did</em> offer that program.</p>
<p><strong>7. Benefits, preps, class sizes, and student mix.</strong></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t offer a flight home after the first year? You don&#8217;t cover dependents? 70% of your student population is Korean? You laugh off the notion that four preps is too much for new (or old) teachers?</p>
<p><strong>8. Courtesy is cool, good will is good stuff.</strong></p>
<p>When it came down to thinking I&#8217;d be choosing between two very attractive schools, I told one of them how I hoped that saying &#8220;no&#8221; this time, if the decision went that way, wouldn&#8217;t close the door to a &#8220;yes&#8221; next time in years to come. The gentlemanly answer of the man I said this to was so winsome, I don&#8217;t know what to say, other than that it made me want to work in this man&#8217;s school even more. The answer was no less impressive for its simplicity, which was, simply, &#8220;Your saying no to us will offend us no more than we&#8217;d want to offend you if we said no to you. It&#8217;s the nature of the beast, and we understand that, so no doors will close at all.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>9. Remember to check yourself in the mirror before you leave your hotel room for the day&#8217;s interviews.</strong></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I forgot my belt. At least my fly wasn&#8217;t down.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about it. Hope it helped, and fyi, <a href="http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=858">Mr. Utecht</a>, consider the assignment done <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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</p><p>Of all your interviews, was there anyone there that didn't know of your blogging presence? No names of course but I'd find it surprising if you said yes. Did any of your past blog post become part of your interview discussions?</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Brian Lockwoods last blog post..<a href="http://www.howhat.org/?p=174" rel="nofollow">Some where between Narita &amp; ycat</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7404">January 18, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Funny question. My blog never came up.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7405">January 18, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.sentimentsoncommonsense.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Andrew Torris</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay... great post!  You are so right on all accounts, and also provide a glimpse of the side of the interview I haven't been in for a while.  Funny how little differences there are from both sides of the hotel room. </p><p></p><p>Thanks for sharing your reflection.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Andrew Toriss last blog post..<a href="http://www.sentimentsoncommonsense.com/?p=256" rel="nofollow">Thank You Carl Anderson!</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7411">January 19, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>@Andy,
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</p><p>Thanks for the props. You make me hope an interviewER from the fair (hint hint?) will write a companion piece. Would be interesting to read.
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</p><p>(BTW, a certain JB ranked high on my list of decent folks it would be a pleasure to work with, fyi. Really kind and as droll as they come. Was nice to talk with that one.)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7423">January 20, 2009</a>, <a href='http://msmichetti.edublogs.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Adrienne</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay, I so enjoyed reading this, probably because I can relate to it so much ... I have been to somewhere around 5 int'l job fairs in the past 8 years (one in one season, then in two separate seasons, I attended 2 fairs). They are intense but I love the energy and meeting such a diverse group of people, both administrators and teachers. Your post almost made me wistful, as I sit here wondering where I'll be next year, fielding the questions from colleagues. It *is* strange for it to be February, knowing I'm leaving, but not attending a job fair.
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</p><p>Like Brian, I'm surprised your blog never came up. Honestly, I would have thought a lot of recruiters' first stop after the interview and reference check would be Google.
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</p><p>Thanks for sharing; I'm excited for you as you move to the next venture, and I'll be following eagerly!</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Adriennes last blog post..<a href="http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2009/01/19/is-it-easy-being-green-my-visit-to-green-school/" rel="nofollow">Is It Easy Being Green? My Visit To Green School</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7447">January 25, 2009</a>, <a href='http://mscofino.edublogs.org/2009/01/25/the-world-of-international-schools/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>The World of International Schools | always learning</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] third day heading to an entirely different country (or, sometimes, without a job at all). Julie and Clay shared their ups and downs from the Bangkok fairs this year - so many of those points could have [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7448">January 25, 2009</a>, <a href='http://superkimbo.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/the-world-of-international-schools/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>The World of International Schools &laquo; Follow That Elephant!</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] third day heading to an entirely different country (or, sometimes, without a job at all). Julie and Clay shared their ups and downs from the Bangkok fairs this year - so many of those points could have [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7482">February 5, 2009</a>, <a href='http://education.change.org/blog/view/snark_attack_ucla_research_dissing_technology_bombs' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Education - Change.org: Snark Attack: UCLA Research Dissing Technology Bombs</a> wrote:
</p><p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] cases, of our schools. I shared an experience along these lines on my other blog, where I gave a report of my experience at the teacher recruitment fair I went to in Bangkok a few weeks ago: Schools [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-7522">February 17, 2009</a>, <a href='http://beyond-school.org/2009/02/17/gilgamesh-6-the-new-man/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Unsucky English, Lecture 6: Gilgamesh and the Birth of Something New | Beyond School</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] or so after that (I got them both, thank goodness), and then into applying and interviewing for a new teaching job beginning this summer (which worked out well too - I&#8217;ll be in Singapore by July to settle in [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/18/notes-from-the-international-school-recruitment-fair-trenches/#comment-8203">July 20, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.schools.ac' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Richard</a> wrote:
</p><p>Schools.ac Online International Schools Job Fair
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</p><p>www.Schools.ac, in operation since 2004, offers an online Job Fair which has no registration fees.
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</p><p>Job Fairs are held three times per year and have over 1,500 registered international schools taking part. 
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</p><p>Being held online, there is no need to travel to any venue and shortlisted candidates may be interviewed online. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They pulled a fast one on me, for a very good reason, and launched the new blogs &#8211; including the education blog I&#8217;m partnering with &#8211; on Change.org.</p>
<p>I really, really, really beg you to come. (And I&#8217;m going to be begging some of you to guest-blog from time to time, to bridge the ed-geek world with the larger ed-world, if I can.)</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen change.org, you should find them interesting from the social media and participatory citizenship angles. There&#8217;s already a huge, incredible community of readers, commenters, and <em>doers</em> (I hope) over there.  I&#8217;m both humbled and fairly certain they meant to send the acceptance email to somebody else.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be unplugging Beyond School, as I said. Things more personal and literary-historical will stay here. Things more educational and reformist will be over at <a href="http://education.change.org">http://education.change.org</a>.</p>
<p>FYI, I&#8217;ll be in Thailand interviewing with schools for the next week, then taking a long-overdue honeymoon on Ko Samui the week after that. But I&#8217;ll be back, goodness willing.</p>
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</p><p>@Clay
</p><p>The new blog looks great.  Thanks for posting the Darling-Hammond vs. Keegan debate.  Good luck in Thailand and I hope you have a great vacation.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Charlie A. Roys last blog post..<a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2009/01/7-things-and-pop-tastic.html" rel="nofollow">7 Things and Pop-Tastic</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7274">January 4, 2009</a>, <a href='http://spgreenlaw.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>spgreenlaw</a> wrote:
</p><p>I already love the new blog. The whole change.org website is pretty amazing, actually, and it will be great to see how it expands over time. 
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</p><p>Best of luck with the interviews and have a great honeymoon.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>spgreenlaws last blog post..<a href="http://spgreenlaw.com/2009/01/01/010109-hello/" rel="nofollow">01.01.09 (Hello)</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7278">January 5, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.grecolaborativo.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>robertogreco</a> wrote:
</p><p>Congratulations, Clay. The new blog is already in my reader. I love the way you defined your role as "expert skeptic."
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</p><p>Happy new year and enjoy your travels.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7284">January 6, 2009</a>, Catherine Moon wrote:
</p><p>I added your new blog in my bookmark list :)
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</p><p>I'm glad to see that the new quest looks settled and to hear that you are continuing with this blog. Though they do not directly address education, good readings that let students add more perspectives on subjects typically not taught in schools (e.g., Gilgamesh series) are part of going beyond school, and I have to confess that I still look forward to reading more of those posts also. As you mentioned before, they are "healthy" diversions.
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</p><p>Happy new year and I hope you have a wonderful time in Thailand.
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</p><p>~Catherine</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7299">January 7, 2009</a>, <a href='http://hshawjr007.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Harold Shaw</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay - the blog has an easy look and navigability to it.  It will be interesting to see what you and your guest bloggers will write about here.  I look forward to it and congratulations !!!</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Harold Shaws last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BurnThisRSS2/~3/c-gUBT2QnqE/our_210th_variation_on_the_the_1.php" rel="nofollow">Our 210th variation on the theme, &quot;Thank you for using FeedBurner.&quot;</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7366">January 12, 2009</a>, <a href='http://quoteflections.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Paul C</a> wrote:
</p><p>Your new blog adds a degree of empowerment to everyone who believes that there are dimensions to school which can always be enhanced, locally and globally.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Paul Cs last blog post..<a href="http://quoteflections.blogspot.com/2009/01/cbc-radio-invitation-obama-play-list.html" rel="nofollow">CBC Radio Invitation: Obama Play List</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7383">January 14, 2009</a>, <a href='http://higheredison.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/dont-mind-the-mess-make-yourself-at-home/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>don&#8217;t mind the mess. make yourself at home. &laquo; Higher Edison</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] I recently moved Higher Edison here from its former digs. When a business moves to new location, it&#8217;s always classy when they paint-scrawl the new address (&#8221;We&#8217;ve moved to 325 Industry Boulevard!&#8221;) on papered-over storefront windows. My version of that redirect scrawl: After a too-long, unplanned sabbatical from writing, a period happily packed with parenting and other worthwhile distractions, I&#8217;m gingerly easing back into it. I hope. Meanwhile, much has changed. You can say that again. [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7389">January 15, 2009</a>, <a href='http://freshadvance.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Teny Eurdekian</a> wrote:
</p><p>Wow; congrats! I'm going to be keeping up with that site as well, it looks very interesting (and I heard about change.org somewhere from a youtube video about helping girls in 3rd-world countries, but never ended up visiting the site). 
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</p><p>I still hope you continue posting here, though. I want to read through your old archives, hehe.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7397">January 17, 2009</a>, Michael Doyle wrote:
</p><p>I've been there--I liked it better here, but I'm a fart that way.</p><p></p><p>That's not why I'm posting, though. At change.org, you have a petition running for Linda Darling-Hammond. Fine.</p><p></p><p>Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention, but when are we going to stop tip-toeing around and look at Mr. Duncan for what he is?</p><p></p><p>Any way you can open up petitions like this one to general comments? What am I missing?</p><p></p><p>(If I wanted a coronation, I'd move my clan back to Europe.)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/04/please-visit-my-second-blog-its-up/#comment-7475">January 31, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Catherine, I'm so bad at replying when my inbox gets too stuffed! But I wanted to say a) thanks, and b) it's <i>great</i> to hear from you. Give me an email update on how school feels!</p></li></ul><h2>Respond</h2><form method="post" id="commentform" action="http://beyond-school.org/wp-comments-post.php"><p><input type="text" name="author" id="author" size="22" tabindex="1" /><label for="author"><small>Name</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="email" id="email" size="22" tabindex="2" /><label for="email"><small>Mail (will not be published)</small></label></p><p><input type="text" name="url" id="url" size="22" tabindex="3" /><label for="url"><small>Website</small></label></p><p><textarea name="comment" id="comment" cols="100%" rows="10" tabindex="4"></textarea></p><p><input name="submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit Comment" /><input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="1973" /></p></form>

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Today, January 1, 2009, is the second birthday of Beyond School.
What a short, strange trip it&#8217;s been.
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<p>Today, January 1, 2009, is <strong>the second birthday of Beyond School</strong>.</p>
<p>What a short, strange trip it&#8217;s been.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not superstitious, but I love coincidences, synchronicities, and patterns as much as the next guy. So I&#8217;m going to trace those two years up to an announcement about some ch- ch- ch- ch- changes in my writing and non-writing life that will start this week. It&#8217;s not quite the death of Beyond School, so much as maybe growing beyond it. I&#8217;m not sure. Maybe I will be by the end of this post.</p>
<h2>In my dreamer&#8217;s twenties, I often fantasized that&#8230;.</h2>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1955" style="border: 4px solid black; margin: 5px;" title="sky-writing" src="http://beyond-school.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sky-writing.jpg" alt="sky-writing" width="240" height="180" />&#8230;.could I but scrawl across the sky, in letters stratosphere-high and coast to coast broad, an unknown writer&#8217;s plea to the world to discover my words &#8211; with contact info at the bottom &#8211; then some patron would do so. I had no connections, no money, no idea how to manifest my potential to the world. (College essays with a red &#8220;A&#8221; across the top and encouraging scribbles on the last page did <em>not</em> seem like manifesting to anything larger than the usually tired hired reader at the front of the classroom.)</p>
<p>That was in the &#8217;80s. It lasted into the &#8217;90s. And I&#8217;m fully aware of how lame that dreamer was, when others with more gumption did the work to figure out the publishing game, and got published. But that was me.</p>
<h2>Then I collided with a White Rabbit in Shanghai,</h2>
<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1954" title="white-rabbit" src="http://beyond-school.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/white-rabbit-196x300.jpg" alt="white-rabbit" width="196" height="300" />- <a href="http://thethinkingstick.com">Jeff Utecht</a> &#8211; around the autumn of 2005, and followed him down a certain rabbit-hole, and into the wonderland of blogging. (I <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/">still hate that word</a>.)</p>
<p>During the winter break of that same year, Karl Fisch, who maybe knows this, and maybe doesn&#8217;t, offered me a <a href="http://thefischbowl.blogspot.com">Fischbowl</a> full of red pills, blue pills, new-colored pills, and I fisted them up and gulped them down. For a couple of weeks, I read everything he wrote and started having <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2007/01/06/im-amazed-1-new-possibilities-for-21st-century-students/">trippy visions</a> of an education that could be. I started a blog on Live Journal, of all things, and wrote a good twenty posts in a week. (I was single then, and it was an easy pleasure.) On New Year&#8217;s Day 2006, I waved a magic mouse and zapped those posts from Live Journal to Blogspot.</p>
<p>I wrote and wrote and wrote for months, mostly to nobody. The  occasional comment in those days was like a gold coin from the sky. I wrote visions of world-writing wikis that would turn into blog-book &#8220;<a href="http://beyond-school.org/2007/01/19/back-to-the-students-invitation-to-a-collaborative-flat-world-writing-project-redux-and-update/">blooks</a>&#8221; and <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2007/01/01/talk-aloud-unit-planning-how-to-wiki-the-french-revolution/">French Revolution wikis</a> that made my head swim. I wrote about dystopian edu-futures in which <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/07/on-classroom-blogging-3-sucking-it-dry-teachers-as-vampires/">teacher-vampires &#8220;sucked classroom blogging dry,&#8221;</a> turned it into &#8220;a new way to turn in the same old homework.&#8221; I wrote and I wrote, for nobody and everybody.</p>
<p>By the end of the first year, I had written &#8211; and read, oh yes, so many of you &#8211; my way into ways of teaching that were candle-flames to my moth. I&#8217;m not saying they were anywhere close to great or perfect; they were just beautiful, bright forms of inventive play that frequently drew me too close and, because they were usually too ambitious and too big, burned me out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always agreed with whoozits the great writer who said, &#8220;It&#8217;s better to burn than to rot,&#8221; so that was okay.</p>
<h2>A healthy schizophrenia came&#8230;.</h2>
<p>&#8230;.a Nietzschean &#8220;ball of snakes&#8221; of the mind, each contending for control of this here space. I was tired of writing of Things Two Point Oh. It felt like writing about the joys of a honeymoon, long after the newness had worn off. But I was an &#8220;edublogger,&#8221; a self-taglined &#8220;kicker of addictions to 20th Century teaching.&#8221; Stuck wriggling on my pin, how could I presume to write beyond Beyond School?</p>
<p>But the literary snake ascended triumphant. I started writing mad long posts about <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/26/gilgamesh1/">Gilgamesh</a>, touching taboos untouchable in the schoolroom (possibly only because of my own ex-Southern Baptist unconscious).  I asked students to stay and teachers to leave. I wrote ten thousand words about an epic of about ten thousand words, and only got a quarter of the way through it.</p>
<p>The funny thing about succumbing to that snake: it worked. More people read those Gilgamesh posts than all the rest of my 600 posts combined. It made me want to stop writing about <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/04/what-is-schooliness-overview-and-open-thread/">school(iness)</a> altogether, and just write readings of the heights of human art.</p>
<h2>Then Sarah Palin winked up the world,</h2>
<p>and too many seemed seduced. Another snake ascended the ball, <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/10/11/wordling-as-rome-burns/">a political one</a>, fangs thirsting to sink venom into that catastrophic hockey-mom&#8217;s neck &#8211; for the sake of America and the world. Grandiose, yes, but aren&#8217;t all our evangelisms? I wrote about nothing but politics for the next many weeks. (And if McCain dies, goodness forbid, in the next four years, don&#8217;t make me say &#8220;I told you it was important.&#8221; That Saks Fifth Avenue demagogue would be ruling the world &#8211; including that &#8220;country&#8221; she knows as Africa.)</p>
<p>Fully expecting my subscribers to unsubscribe in droves, I could only hope others would come to replace them. Water seeks its own level and all of that. (And I thank all of you who stayed.)</p>
<h2>And then one day,</h2>
<p>after weeks of nothing but manic and stentorian political blogging, I got an email from somebody about an editing / writing position opening up. It involved educational politics and activism. &#8220;I thought of you instantly,&#8221; he said. (And I thank him, and he knows who he is.)</p>
<p>I applied, interviewed, interviewed again. Glacial, painful waiting (and contemporaneous with the <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/07/broadcasting-to-learn/">radio job</a> I&#8217;d also been interviewing for).</p>
<p>And I got the job. Stay tuned for the URL when the site is ready to launch later this week. And expect me to pull many of your sleeves to help me push that vision of an education that could be &#8211; and that, because of so many of you, already is for a few lucky students.</p>
<h2>Have I mentioned that long ago&#8230;.</h2>
<p>&#8230;.I fantasized about writing in letters as large as the sky, &#8220;I write, I write &#8211; find me&#8221;?</p>
<p>That was B.W. (Before Weblogs).</p>
<p>Now, A.W., that fantasy has become possible. Instead of scribing on the sky, we write and write  on screens of light. And if we do it long enough, hard enough &#8211; instinctively enough &#8211; we can, with the right timing and wind conditions, be found.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t crowing, mind you. I&#8217;ll still need a day job. What this is, for any who need it spelled out, is a T-E-S-T-I-M-O-N-Y of the potential of writing yourself out there. Maybe those students who never believed it when I talked myself red in the face about all of this in theory will see it now. I started Beyond School with a freshman class two years ago; I wish I had them as juniors this year.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">~   ~   ~</p>
<h2 style="text-align: left;">In the future,</h2>
<p>I&#8217;ll be writing more on my new space than here. I want to continue making time to write the Unsucky English Lectures, but am not sure if I&#8217;ll post them here, or on a new blog, and just leave Beyond School as an artifact of teaching ideas.</p>
<p>(I wonder what Christian Long would advise. He bowed out of Think:Lab recently, if I&#8217;m not mistaken. And my god, I just searched for his blog and it seems he deleted it. Is that true? What a loss.)</p>
<p id="title_div1437858819" style="text-align: right;">Photo:<br />
&#8220;Escribiendo el cielo&#8221; by <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/paranoiasdelavida/">anikaviro</a></p>
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</p><p>Congratulations, Clay. What a wonderful way to start the new year!</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Harold Jarches last blog post..<a href="http://www.jarche.com/2008/12/new-year-new-challenges/" rel="nofollow">New year, new challenges</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7196">January 1, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tzstchr.edublogs.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Paula White</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay, Congratulations on the new job!  This testimony is great, and I think some students will take to heart your message and find encouragement in it. Thanks for sharing your journey and thoughts!</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7197">January 1, 2009</a>, <a href='http://spgreenlaw.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>spgreenlaw</a> wrote:
</p><p>That is really good news. I can't wait to see the new site. I do hope you'll keep this site up, as I haven't managed to read through everything in the archives yet.
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</p><p>This unknown, aspiring writer is extremely grateful to have been able to read this post. After reading it (thrice) when I first woke up, without even having had a cup of coffee yet, I felt encouraged and motivated and hopeful again. It certainly is a good affirmation.
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</p><p>Oh, and it is eerie how similar the "dreamer's twenties" portion is to my current mindset.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>spgreenlaws last blog post..<a href="http://spgreenlaw.com/2008/12/29/shalom-salaam/" rel="nofollow">Shalom, Salaam</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7198">January 2, 2009</a>, <a href='http://theteachingjourney.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Lorraine Orenchuk</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay, I am so excited for you! What wonderful news and I agree with spgreenlaw - it is also personally inspiring.  My blog, started years ago, also began with a wish to share my teaching stories.  So many days now I find myself pondering entries but have no place to put them as they don't fit the teaching journey theme. I think we are all consummate learners, maybe it is the learning journey I should write about.  Your prose is a gift to us, your energy a vitamin for tired visionaries.  Congratulations and I look forward to reading your letters in the sky. Peace.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Lorraine Orenchuks last blog post..<a href="http://theteachingjourney.blogspot.com/2008/11/accountability.html" rel="nofollow">Accountability</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7199">January 2, 2009</a>, <a href='http://pukkalibrary.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Jennifer</a> wrote:
</p><p>Hi Clay, Congratulations and Happy New Year ~ I truly hope you will keep this blog up, if not active, so your newer readers, like me, have an opportunity to read more of it. I can imagine it would be difficult to keep two such blogs going at once, but perhaps this one can evolve into your personal/creative blog -- I accidentally wrote persona/creative blog there, and maybe that's a clue -- while the new one can be the place for your ongoing, focused critique of education. At any rate I'm glad "the world" discovered you, through Gilgamesh, politics, or by whatever means!</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Jennifers last blog post..<a href="http://pukkalibrary.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/instructional-technologist-in-quotes/" rel="nofollow">Instructional Technologist, “In Quotes”</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7207">January 2, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Thanks, Harold. I figured you'd relate. :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7209">January 2, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Thanks, Paula :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7210">January 2, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>S.P., 
</p><p>
</p><p>Hearing it resonated with you comforts me. Terrorist fist-jab, time-delayed doppelgänger. (And the Dreamer 20s were a good stage for me. Since I didn't mind scraping pennies as long as I had books music film, it was all fine. A squirrel in autumn thing. You'll chew the nuggets you're storing now for the rest of your life. And be glad.)
</p><p>
</p><p>I won't delete Beyond School. I'm just not sure whether I can continue writing under a title so specialized.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7211">January 2, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Lorraine, that's an interesting comment. You feel it too, the "no place to put them" syndrome. 
</p><p>
</p><p>Long ago I read a post asking whether professional and personal blogs should be separate, and at the time thought "No." Now I disagree. 
</p><p>
</p><p>It's an audience thing. Non-educators are probably not going to want to read posts about freaking classroom wikis, no matter how cool they are to us. But non-educators might subscribe to a space we devote to us as sojourners, to riff off your phrase. Or more naturally, us as simply ourselves.
</p><p>
</p><p>I love the style of your comment. You've got ear, girl. "A vitamin for tired visionaries" is a sound-sense keeper.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7218">January 2, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Jennifer,
</p><p>
</p><p>"Persona/creative" - what a great typo.
</p><p>
</p><p>BS won't go anywhere, as I said to Lorraine above, I'm just not sure what to do with it.
</p><p>
</p><p>Happy New Year :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7219">January 2, 2009</a>, <a href='http://uninspiredteacher.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Tom</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay,
</p><p>
</p><p>Congratulations on the new job!  That's great news, and I'm very much looking forward to what you've got in store for the new year.  All the best!</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Toms last blog post..<a href="http://uninspiredteacher.blogspot.com/2009/01/resolutions.html" rel="nofollow">Resolutions</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7223">January 2, 2009</a>, <a href='http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Michael Doyle</a> wrote:
</p><p>Um, Clay, have you peeked at the name of your blog recently?</p><p></p><p>Beyond School. <i>Beyond</i>. Really. Go look. I'll wait while you do.</p><p></p><p>Everything out and about and beyond--your blog is the anti-edublog, and it needs to continue, at least until you finish Gilgamesh.</p><p></p><p>You only need one passionate reader to make writing worthwhile--you can only truly write to one other anyway, despite the industrial perception of art today.</p><p></p><p>Unless there's some ridiculous copyright thing attached to your new endeavor (and congrats!, btw), then cross-post here.</p><p></p><p>The only person who thinks you're an edublogger is you. No sane teacher would take on Gilgamesh as though it matters (and it does).</p><p></p><p>And whoever hired you knows you're less than sane in the limited definition of "sound mind."</p><p></p><p>I didn't drop the F-bomb, though I had to edit it a few times in the past coule of minutes.</p><p></p><p>I am very happy for you, but you got to get this idea that you are limited here out of your head.</p><p></p><p>You changed the conversation. We cannot allow you to walk away from it.</p><p></p><p>So there.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Michael Doyles last blog post..<a href="http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/2009/01/industrialism-and-clams.html" rel="nofollow">Industrialism and clams</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7228">January 2, 2009</a>, <a href='http://bettybunhead.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Sharon Seslija</a> wrote:
</p><p>Congratulations Clay! I hope you'll have time to finish Gilgamesh - I actually went out and bought the book and read it based on your posts. Good luck in your new endeavor. I can't wait to see where your "sky writing" takes you next.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Sharon Seslijas last blog post..<a href="http://bettybunhead.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-type-is-that-blog.html" rel="nofollow">What Type is that Blog?</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7231">January 3, 2009</a>, <a href='http://infomedfi.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/39/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Daily</a> wrote:
</p><p>[...] di idee con Ilaria sulla questione di pubblicare le proprie creazioni. Vi propongo di leggere questo post di Clay Burrel, uno dei quattro punti cardinali del mio Personal Learning Environment. Cos&#8217;è [...]</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7232">January 3, 2009</a>, <a href='http://tabor330.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kate Tabor</a> wrote:
</p><p>Congratulations, Clay - glad to know that we will still be able to read your work, now in more than one place. (I've only just begun struggling with the "no place to put it" problem.)  Lean into the discomfort that new things bring; it's there that beauty is created.  And I agree with Michael - the only person that limits you is you.  Thanks for writing and, a personal thanks from me, for reading.</p><p></p><p>I hope that you can kick that flu. </p><p></p><p>href="http://tabor330.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/provisioning-bermuda/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Provisioning in Bermuda</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7234">January 3, 2009</a>, <a href='http://nashworld.edublogs.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Sean Nash</a> wrote:
</p><p>I have to say-  since starting my little blog slowly back in September, your words here have often been a big inspiration for many things I think, talk about, or write.</p><p></p><p>When I read your first sentence about a short, strange trip... I knew that you were going to drop something interesting.  Thinking about your link in my blogroll heading out to an archive page somewhat saddens me at first thought.  Not that it isn't a sweet little archive, but I (and I'm sure many others who read mine) always knew we could click that link and get something a little different than the standard fare.</p><p></p><p>I think your new plan sounds pretty doggone exciting.  I am anxious to see this when it drops.  I'm confident you'll let us know when and where this is happening when it does.  Your blog helping to lead you into this next phase of your life is quite cool.  It is one more perfect example for my kids to see.  Back when I started plugging away on the web in these venues I realized this could be a way to subvert the typical path through one's career.  I think it is one of the most exciting and democratic things I have seen in my young(?) life. </p><p></p><p>So thanks for having the chops to pull that off...  and for being a public example (redundant to the topic) of what I try to forewarn folks about.</p><p></p><p>And yeah-  it seems I may be getting ready to add another site to the ol' blogroll perhaps. </p><p></p><p>Keep it uP!</p><p></p><p>Sean</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Sean Nashs last blog post..<a href="http://nashworld.edublogs.org/2008/12/24/my-daughters-favorite-gift/" rel="nofollow">My Daughter’s Favorite “Gift”</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7239">January 3, 2009</a>, <a href='http://www.ed4wb.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bill Farren</a> wrote:
</p><p>Congratulations Clay and Happy New Year. Still find myself heading over to BS --often-- despite the billions of other net options out there. A true testament of the great thinking that exists here.
</p><p>Can't wait to see what's next. Cheers.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Bill Farrens last blog post..<a href="http://www.ed4wb.org/?p=157" rel="nofollow">Convinced</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7243">January 3, 2009</a>, <a href='http://morgante.net' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Morgante Pell</a> wrote:
</p><p>Great and inspirational post: it's hard to believe you've only been writing on Beyond School for 2 years.
</p><p>
</p><p>I certainly can sympathize with being constrained by a venue, and I hope I can continue to follow your work wherever it resides.
</p><p>
</p><p>Congratulations and may this be a good year for you.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7248">January 3, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Oh, Michael, it's the "school" part that makes me want to....graduate.
</p><p>
</p><p>Titles are the first thing new readers see. I want new readers in and out of education, and wouldn't blame most new readers for passing on the title because, um, they're really not into reading about school.
</p><p>
</p><p>Maybe I'll change the title to just "Beyond." Or "Into Life."
</p><p>
</p><p>But I will keep posting here, I think. Although I'm thinking of starting an "Unsucky English" blog. (But damn, that "English" sounds schooly. Damn damn damn.)
</p><p>
</p><p>Hey, happy new year, by the way. You really enriched '08 for me. Thanks for that. 
</p><p>
</p><p>We should meet before we die.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7249">January 3, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Thanks Sharon :)
</p><p>
</p><p>I will definitely (knocks wood against the runaway bus flattening tomorrow) finish Gilgamesh, and more. But I think the "more" will be the additional chapters of the book that the Gilg writings will be, in revised form, the chapter one....
</p><p>
</p><p>I really appreciate your encouragement, by the way, Sharon, and hope your new year is a good one.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7250">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Sneak preview for commenters here (woo-hoo, I know), because I'm too tired to post about it yet.
</p><p>
</p><p><a href="http://education.change.org" rel="nofollow">Education.Change.org</a>.
</p><p>
</p><p>So far it's prescribed (and rightly so) background content, but I'm excited as all hell. Great community there already for the other Change.org blogs, and the focus on <i>action</i> in addition to words - with a huge member base seemingly born to act - is my kind of focus.
</p><p>
</p><p>I'd be honored and delighted to converse with all of you there and here. In Google Reader, if nothing's new, the extra feed won't show.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7251">January 4, 2009</a>, Nicholas Howell wrote:
</p><p>I must tell you that when I received an email informing me that there was going to be a new section on Change.org concerning public education, I felt an immediate rush of excitement followed by a huge sinking down to my gut.
</p><p>
</p><p>You see, as a first-year teacher, I'm still idealistic and passionate. However, as with most idealists, I'm used to being let down or disappointed. I assumed the new Change.org page would be run by one of two people: 1. an ancient professor who hasn't taught in a classroom in years; or 2. one who spent a year or two teaching and then moved on into administration. 
</p><p>
</p><p>I should have known better! After discovering you on here and reading what you have to say, I'm so glad that you formed a partnership with them. I look forward to reading your words and taking them to heart.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7254">January 4, 2009</a>, <a href='http://quoteflections.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Paul C</a> wrote:
</p><p>I agree with you: I hate the word blogging.  And I remember what you said it could be for adults and students: advanced digital communication.  Keep it up with the bar raised high.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Paul Cs last blog post..<a href="http://quoteflections.blogspot.com/2009/01/heirloom-discoveries-and-treasures.html" rel="nofollow">Heirloom Discoveries and Treasures</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7262">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Nicholas, just a quick note to say your comment made my day. 
</p><p>
</p><p>After I finish packing for my flight to Thailand in 18 hours, and writing my post for c.o., and interviewing for jobs all next week (I'm on a self-financed sabbatical this year to rejuvenate - and that k-12 teachers don't get that as readily as university professors is criminal beyond compare) - *inhale* - I really look forward to settling in to get to know you and so many other good people.
</p><p>
</p><p>What do you teach? Where? What levels?
</p><p>
</p><p>Clay</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7263">January 4, 2009</a>, <a href='http://higheredison.wordpress.com/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Scott Schwister</a> wrote:
</p><p>Back in ancient times, during one of our potent conversations, you said something about a vision of web 3.0-to-come: read-write-ACT. Take all the words and thoughts and convictions and put them into action. And here it is, and here you are. I can't imagine a surer set of hands on the wheel at education.change.org. Really and truly...not just blowing smoke. Constructively framing issues that have built up layers of political calcification over the years (did you see Bud Hunt's research into Project Follow Through?), negotiating/mediating/translating a conversation with so very many voices, and then helping move all that blogspeak into real action? It'll take someone with deep background knowledge of public ed past and present, social media chops, in-the-trenches teaching experience, unshakable sense of self, passion for activism balanced by pragmatism. Have I missed anything? Throw in a superhero cape for good measure. You're it. It'll be fun to see you in action in a feisty new locale.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Scott Schwisters last blog post..<a href="http://higheredison.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/laboring-for-invention/" rel="nofollow">laboring for invention</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7265">January 4, 2009</a>, <a href='http://budtheteacher.com/blog' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bud Hunt</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay,
</p><p>
</p><p> Happy belated blogday - and don't let it be a funeral.  Just checked out your space at Change.org - and I'm excited both for you and for them.  Go get 'em.  But please stop by here, too.  I suspect you'll have plenty to say in both places.</p><p></p><p><abbr><em>Bud Hunts last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BudTheTeacher/~3/500742103/" rel="nofollow">Seeing Mindfully, Thanks to D’Arcy</a></abbr></em></p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7267">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Scott, you know, you're right. Our talks back then were almost exactly about this.
</p><p>
</p><p>It's so nice to hear from you again. I hope you're well. 
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</p><p>I'd say more, but I'm packing for Bangkok flight at the last minute!</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7268">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Thanks Paul. We both know that blogging is just a place to put writing :)  Have a great new year. Nice to see your own blog taking off.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7269">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Kate, I've still got the damn flu, but the antibiotics are kicking in. Gah.
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</p><p>The "no place to put it problem" is a thorny one, but it'll all wash out.
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</p><p>I'm so glad we "met."</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7270">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Sean, that "one more example for my kids to see" nails the purpose of the post. It's good to get that feedback.
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</p><p>It's great interacting with you so much these days. Let's both try not to die any time soon so we can do more of it :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7271">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Bill, thank you for that. I've featured and linked to you in a couple of places in my resources post already. Sorry I've been so incommunicado the last couple of months (or more?). The reasons should be more transparent now :)</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7272">January 4, 2009</a>, Clay Burell wrote:
</p><p>Morgante, in a few words: You amaze me, and I'll hunt you down if you ever disappear. Thanks for the kind words, too.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7343">January 10, 2009</a>, <a href='http://dmcordell.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>diane</a> wrote:
</p><p>Can't quite find a clever phrase that adequately conveys how I feel about what you've shared and how it's prodded me to step off the beaten path every now and again. Just a simple "thank you" will have to do.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7364">January 12, 2009</a>, <a href='http://msmichetti.edublogs.org' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Adrienne</a> wrote:
</p><p>Clay,
</p><p>Belated congratulations on your new position over at change.org -- you truly are *THE BEST* person for such a role! I am happily entering it into my reader presently and I look forward to more nuggets from both that site, and this one. I am glad to hear you won't be taking BS offline; it has been a ray of inspirational light on more than one occasion since I discovered it about a year ago. I feel better knowing you're not "going anywhere" in some strange way - almost like a security blanket! Thank you for past encouragement, and for that which I am certain will come in the future just by my continued subscriptions to your writing.</p></li><li><p>At <a href="http://beyond-school.org/2009/01/01/birthday-funeral/#comment-7457">January 27, 2009</a>, <a href='http://joepett.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/virkelighetsn%c3%a6rt/' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Virkelighetsnært? &laquo; Mitt hJØRNe av web&#8217;en</a> wrote:
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