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	<title>Comments for Blog - Champaign County Clerk, IL - Mark Shelden</title>
	
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		<title>Comment on November 2006 Undervote Analysis by PATTY LYCAN</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/07/01/november-2006-undervote-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>PATTY LYCAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the no vote option, however; this would not work in a vote for up to 3 candidates.

What are you going to do about explaining this to the voter?

Patty Lycan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the no vote option, however; this would not work in a vote for up to 3 candidates.</p>
<p>What are you going to do about explaining this to the voter?</p>
<p>Patty Lycan</p>
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		<title>Comment on County Is Broke, Bill Is on the Way by FHA home loan rates</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/05/01/county-is-broke-bill-is-on-the-way/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>FHA home loan rates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree The revenue for the County General Corp fund will allow the County to essentially tread water for the next few months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree The revenue for the County General Corp fund will allow the County to essentially tread water for the next few months.</p>
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		<title>Comment on November 2006 Undervote Analysis by Champaign County Clerk</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/07/01/november-2006-undervote-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Champaign County Clerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The no vote option does exist in at least one other state, New Jersey.  I think elected officials are less than enthusiastic about this option as it doesn't look good when lots of people pick "No vote" or "None of the Above".  Some might argue "None of the Above" might win a race or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The no vote option does exist in at least one other state, New Jersey.  I think elected officials are less than enthusiastic about this option as it doesn&#8217;t look good when lots of people pick &#8220;No vote&#8221; or &#8220;None of the Above&#8221;.  Some might argue &#8220;None of the Above&#8221; might win a race or two.</p>
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		<title>Comment on November 2006 Undervote Analysis by Ann</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/07/01/november-2006-undervote-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn't there an effort to make "no vote" an option on each item to be voted on?  With a required vote, including the choice for a 'no vote' will always catch 100% of undervotes.  I don't get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t there an effort to make &#8220;no vote&#8221; an option on each item to be voted on?  With a required vote, including the choice for a &#8216;no vote&#8217; will always catch 100% of undervotes.  I don&#8217;t get it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on November 2006 Undervote Analysis by Becky Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/07/01/november-2006-undervote-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analysis, Mark.
Unfortunately, these ballots look familiar; especially those with something other than a darkened oval and those with the same name written in on the write-in line.  
At least for the write-in line we were able to help eliminate that issue with the 61 day write-in filing deadline.  I've never had a ballot with that detailed of a message as the last one!  What a hoot.

Nice effort.  I hope it will prove beneficial to our need to eliminate the partial undervote flag.  My equipment is not prepared.  Nor has there been any effort to push for retesting that I am aware of. 

It is important to note that  your jurisdiction's equipment could technically accommodate the flag for part of the ballot;  and, yet, you know and have conveyed the message that the secrecy of the ballot will be compromised, voters will be intimidated and "fair and equal" elections/ballots among all candidates seems to be usurped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analysis, Mark.<br />
Unfortunately, these ballots look familiar; especially those with something other than a darkened oval and those with the same name written in on the write-in line.<br />
At least for the write-in line we were able to help eliminate that issue with the 61 day write-in filing deadline.  I&#8217;ve never had a ballot with that detailed of a message as the last one!  What a hoot.</p>
<p>Nice effort.  I hope it will prove beneficial to our need to eliminate the partial undervote flag.  My equipment is not prepared.  Nor has there been any effort to push for retesting that I am aware of. </p>
<p>It is important to note that  your jurisdiction&#8217;s equipment could technically accommodate the flag for part of the ballot;  and, yet, you know and have conveyed the message that the secrecy of the ballot will be compromised, voters will be intimidated and &#8220;fair and equal&#8221; elections/ballots among all candidates seems to be usurped.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illinois Undervote Law by Blog – Champaign County Clerk, IL – Mark Shelden » November 2006 Undervote Analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog – Champaign County Clerk, IL – Mark Shelden » November 2006 Undervote Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] regarding voter notification of undervotes on the above noted races, we found that notification would have almost no impact in preventing [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Illinois Undervote Law by Sanford Morganstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/06/12/illinois-undervote-law/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanford Morganstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclosure:  Our company makes voting systems.  I am an officer of the company.

There is a solution to this issue:  one that gives voters maximum privacy and one that allows votes to be cast on auditable paper ballots.  The solution:  Ballot Marking Devices.  The idea is simple:  a voter prepares the ballot on a computerized system; one that also allows voters with disabilities to vote and one that also allows multiple languages.

Preparation of the ballot does not mean casting the ballot.  Preparation means preparing an unambiguous paper ballot that is cast separately from the preparation of the ballot.  During the preparation of the ballot, the voter can be warned in private if there is an undervote.

I’m sure there are other solutions as well (a scanner in a voting booth dedicated to detecting voter errors).

The use of the term "unambiguous" is chosen carefully.  Many handmarked ballots are ambiguous for a variety of reasons -- such as the voter's circling a name or putting an X in a box that should be blackened.  Note that in this case, the warning of an undervote ALSO serves as a warning that the ballot is improperly marked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclosure:  Our company makes voting systems.  I am an officer of the company.</p>
<p>There is a solution to this issue:  one that gives voters maximum privacy and one that allows votes to be cast on auditable paper ballots.  The solution:  Ballot Marking Devices.  The idea is simple:  a voter prepares the ballot on a computerized system; one that also allows voters with disabilities to vote and one that also allows multiple languages.</p>
<p>Preparation of the ballot does not mean casting the ballot.  Preparation means preparing an unambiguous paper ballot that is cast separately from the preparation of the ballot.  During the preparation of the ballot, the voter can be warned in private if there is an undervote.</p>
<p>I’m sure there are other solutions as well (a scanner in a voting booth dedicated to detecting voter errors).</p>
<p>The use of the term &#8220;unambiguous&#8221; is chosen carefully.  Many handmarked ballots are ambiguous for a variety of reasons &#8212; such as the voter&#8217;s circling a name or putting an X in a box that should be blackened.  Note that in this case, the warning of an undervote ALSO serves as a warning that the ballot is improperly marked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illinois Undervote Law by Champaign County Clerk</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/06/12/illinois-undervote-law/comment-page-1/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Champaign County Clerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What voter could object to being politely warned as long as the voter is allowed to cast the ballot and override the warning?

Actually, many voters object.  They've told me as much.  And you can count me among those people.

It's disappointing that you would assign a motive to the clerks when I linked directly to our list of concerns.  This will present clerks with no more work.  I estimate that it will increase the amount of time to do testing by a total of 5 to 10 minutes.  Our programming time will increase by about 1 minute.  As to the vendors, they will be more than happy to charge various clerks for the added expense of programming the election.  Premier (formerly Diebold) told the State Board of Elections as much.

As to design flaws in ballots, I would point you to my blog post from August of last year where I write about our implementation of many of the recommendations by the Brennan Center for improved ballot design.

http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2008/08/20/making-better-ballots/

As to auditing, I'd point you to the various posts I've written regarding post election redundant recounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What voter could object to being politely warned as long as the voter is allowed to cast the ballot and override the warning?</p>
<p>Actually, many voters object.  They&#8217;ve told me as much.  And you can count me among those people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s disappointing that you would assign a motive to the clerks when I linked directly to our list of concerns.  This will present clerks with no more work.  I estimate that it will increase the amount of time to do testing by a total of 5 to 10 minutes.  Our programming time will increase by about 1 minute.  As to the vendors, they will be more than happy to charge various clerks for the added expense of programming the election.  Premier (formerly Diebold) told the State Board of Elections as much.</p>
<p>As to design flaws in ballots, I would point you to my blog post from August of last year where I write about our implementation of many of the recommendations by the Brennan Center for improved ballot design.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2008/08/20/making-better-ballots/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2008/08/20/making-better-ballots/</a></p>
<p>As to auditing, I&#8217;d point you to the various posts I&#8217;ve written regarding post election redundant recounts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illinois Undervote Law by Kathy Dopp</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/06/12/illinois-undervote-law/comment-page-1/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Dopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like the county clerks are fighting against a common-sense provision to warn voters who forgot to vote in a particular contest. What voter could object to being politely warned as long as the voter is allowed to cast the ballot and override the warning?

The opposition of county clerks to the proposal has me wondering why. 

Is the opposition due to:

the clerks' close relationship to the voting machine vendors whose sofware was not designed to warn voters of undervotes?

the clerks' attempt to avoid extra work?

the clerks' fear of longer lines at the polls?

Certainly the Champaigne county clerk can not really think it violates the US constitution to alert voters to the fact that they may've forgotten to vote in a contest? We've seen too many cases where ballot design caused voters not to notice an important contest.

We've also seen an eerie similarity in the design specification flaws among all voting systems in the US such as writable log files, voting systems that do not report counts for ballots that are normally stored together, making auditing the accuracy of today's voting machines very difficult and time-consuming.   Just who is designing the specifications for all of today's voting machines so poorly? 

Election officials need to begin consulting with experts to require voting systems that use modern auditability and security features, not trying to cover their mistakes by avoiding common-sense measures used in virtually all other fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like the county clerks are fighting against a common-sense provision to warn voters who forgot to vote in a particular contest. What voter could object to being politely warned as long as the voter is allowed to cast the ballot and override the warning?</p>
<p>The opposition of county clerks to the proposal has me wondering why. </p>
<p>Is the opposition due to:</p>
<p>the clerks&#8217; close relationship to the voting machine vendors whose sofware was not designed to warn voters of undervotes?</p>
<p>the clerks&#8217; attempt to avoid extra work?</p>
<p>the clerks&#8217; fear of longer lines at the polls?</p>
<p>Certainly the Champaigne county clerk can not really think it violates the US constitution to alert voters to the fact that they may&#8217;ve forgotten to vote in a contest? We&#8217;ve seen too many cases where ballot design caused voters not to notice an important contest.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve also seen an eerie similarity in the design specification flaws among all voting systems in the US such as writable log files, voting systems that do not report counts for ballots that are normally stored together, making auditing the accuracy of today&#8217;s voting machines very difficult and time-consuming.   Just who is designing the specifications for all of today&#8217;s voting machines so poorly? </p>
<p>Election officials need to begin consulting with experts to require voting systems that use modern auditability and security features, not trying to cover their mistakes by avoiding common-sense measures used in virtually all other fields.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illinois Undervote Law by Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought your one-page summary of arguments against the provision was excellent. Another point to be made is that once voters understand what will happen if they undervote, they may decide to vote in a contest for which they are uninformed -- just to avoid the public warning at the scanner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your one-page summary of arguments against the provision was excellent. Another point to be made is that once voters understand what will happen if they undervote, they may decide to vote in a contest for which they are uninformed &#8212; just to avoid the public warning at the scanner.</p>
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