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			<title>Angry Preachers or Gospel Musicians? </title>
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			<modified>2009-11-19T14:41:08Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-19T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982135</id>
			<created>2009-11-19T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>What types of witnesses are our churches forming?</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by David Swanson</name>
				
				<email>ljeditor@leadershipjournal.net</email>
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			<dc:subject>Mission</dc:subject>
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				&lt;p&gt;There wasn’t much that could have distracted me on the way to the train station on a recent Saturday evening. After two days at an outdoor music festival—in the rain one day and under the blazing sun the next—I wanted nothing more than to return to our apartment for a long shower and some blessed quiet. Lollapalooza was a blast, a great opportunity to see some new bands and observe Chicago’s diverse youth culture. I might have stayed for the day’s final acts, but I’m a pastor and my ringing ears and tired legs needed a good night’s sleep before Sunday morning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Before I’d walked even a block from the festival, I bumped into a small crowd whose attention was fixed on two men speaking loudly to the bedraggled onlookers. One held a handmade sign that read—I kid you not— “TURN OR BURN!” He spoke into a bullhorn, warning the young people of God’s coming judgment and listing in vivid detail the sins that would lead them to an eternity burning in hell. The other man held an open Bible and vigorously debated anyone who disagreed with his companion’s portrayal of God.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;For the past two days, I’d watched these young people pursue beauty and friendship and community. Groups of sunburned 20somethings had made their way from one stage to the next, avoiding mud puddles and speaking with awe in their voices about their favorite musical experiences of the weekend. And now, as they left the safety of the festival grounds, they were immediately confronted with Jesus. Or at least two of Jesus’ representatives.&lt;br /&gt;
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			<title>Ur Video: Perry Noble on Responding to Critics</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-18T14:55:51Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-18T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982129</id>
			<created>2009-11-18T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>"Out love, out live, and out fruit."</p>]]></summary>
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				&lt;p&gt;How should you and your church respond to critics? Perry Noble has some experience with the subject and some wisdom to share. &lt;/p&gt;

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			<title>Preaching for the Nod</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-17T14:12:15Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-17T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982120</id>
			<created>2009-11-17T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>It's easy it is to “speak prophetically” when you know it's what people want to hear.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Bob Hyatt</name>
				
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				&lt;p&gt;Every once in a while I find myself preaching for the nod. That’s when we try to hard wire a bit of ego-stroke into a Sunday morning message. We do it a lot, and it’s so easy—insert that small comment, that little aside, or even that main point that we know will appeal to the sensibilities of certain listeners. You know, the left-leaning (or right leaning) political comment. The doctrinal aside that scratches the itch of that person so prone to give up the "Amen" or the vigorous head nod.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Preaching for the nod has less to do with what we see in the biblical text and more to do with what we want people to see in us. And there lies the danger. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The most God-centered, John Piper-esque sermon or community-centered dialogical discussion can be completely &lt;em&gt;me-centered&lt;/em&gt; if my intention is to get certain people to tell me, “Good words today, Pastor!” If my intention is to get certain people to see me as sufficiently hip and relevant (or standing against the tide of culture), or progressive (or appropriately conservative), or doctrinally adventurous (or steadfastly orthodox), then I have traded the proclamation of God's Word for the proclamation of myself, regardless of how I dress it up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And all for that little nod.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Man, it's like a drug—the rush of agreement, of assent, of &lt;em&gt;affirmation&lt;/em&gt;. Many of us would sell our souls for it. And some of us do.  &lt;/p&gt;
									
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			<title>The Future of Church Facilities</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-12T21:40:07Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-13T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982109</id>
			<created>2009-11-13T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>To build or not to build? Sign-up to ask your questions during our live webinar.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Eric Reed</name>
				
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			<dc:subject>Mission</dc:subject>
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				&lt;p&gt;Until recently, churches responded to growing attendance by building larger facilities. But the faltering economy makes raising large sums for building projects harder to accomplish. And combined with the aversion of younger churchgoers to the bigger-is-better ministry philosophy, these tight-money days are demanding imaginative alternatives. For some churches, the question has become, "Should we build at all?"&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;"We have told many clients in the last couple years, 'You're not ready to build, because you aren't sure what your ministry is,'" said Ed Bahler of the Aspen Group, a church design firm. "So what once took a few weeks has become a six- to twelve-month process: determining what their vision is and what they really need to do that ministry." The firm now focuses on guiding church leaders through the vision process.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"People ask us what ministry will look like in ten years—with the impact of technology and the desire to attract younger people driving many of the choices they make today," Bahler said. &lt;/p&gt;
									
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			<title>Separated at Birth?</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-11T17:57:42Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-12T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982101</id>
			<created>2009-11-12T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>Church leaders and their celebrity twins.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Url Scaramanga</name>
				
				<email>ljeditor@leadershipjournal.net</email>
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				&lt;p&gt;A few days ago, Drew Dyck (managing editor of &lt;a href="http://www.buildingchurchleaders.com"&gt;BuildingChurchLeaders.com&lt;/a&gt;) sent an email to Skye Jethani (managing editor of &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.leadershipjournal.net"&gt;Leadership Journal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;) asking to borrow a book by Dave Ferguson. Drew parenthetically commented that Ferguson looked like Edward Norton the actor. That got the ball rolling.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the help of Drew Dyck, Tim Avery, and others, Skye created a post on &lt;a href="http://www.skyejethani.com"&gt;his blog&lt;/a&gt; of church leaders and their celebrity lookalikes. It was so well received that I decided to post some of the more popular images here. Of course I'm always open to more. Send me your ideas.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tim Allen and Joel Osteen&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="http://granitegrok.com/pix/timallen.gif" width="112" align="middle" height="142" /&gt; &lt;img src="http://www.pamdemocrat.org/newspaper/ChurchCorner/Joel%20Osteen.jpg" width="118" align="middle" height="140" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Patrick Stewart and Tim Keller&lt;/p&gt;

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			<title>What Clergy Do Not Need</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-11T14:09:56Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-11T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982100</id>
			<created>2009-11-11T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>For the sake of clergy self-care, let's stop talking about clergy self-care.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Lillian Daniel</name>
				
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				&lt;p&gt;I do not think clergy need more lectures about self-care.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems that at every ordination or installation service I attend there is a charge given about clergy self care. One minister stands up and tells another minister that they know they are about to work themselves to death, so resist the temptation. “Take your day off…set boundaries…don’t try to be all things to all people.” All this is done in front of an audience of lay people who are supposed to be impressed that we clergy would need such a lecture. It has become a cliché, and seems to have trumped prophecy, theology and the love of Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To lay people it seems strange, since they work hard themselves. Should they raise this, they will be treated to a lecture from these same overworked clergy about how they, in bravely trying to take better care of themselves, are “modeling” appropriate self-care for the laity. Such talk is condescending to the laity, tedious to listen to at ordinations and most of all, unsuccessful in changing clergy behavior.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would personally like to declare a moratorium on all clergy self-care conversations, in the interests of clergy self-care.&lt;br /&gt;
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			<title>Twitter Theology</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-10T14:29:55Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-09T14:04:10Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982089</id>
			<created>2009-11-09T14:04:10Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>What do tweets reveal about what pastors really value?</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Scot McKnight</name>
				
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			<dc:subject>Formation</dc:subject>
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				&lt;p&gt;Social media like Facebook and Twitter have received an abundance of critique, not the least of which is that social media users are self-absorbed. But I wonder if we might turn answers on Twitter to the question “What are you doing?” or on Facebook’s status update into an opportunity for self-examination. It might even be an opportunity for Twitter and Facebook users to examine not just what they are doing but how it aligns with our mission.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I’ve spent some time observing pastors who tweet or regularly update their status on Facebook, and I’m far from convinced it’s simply self-absorption or an attempt by little people to make themselves famous. But these updates do reveal what is uppermost on the mind. But let me begin with a confession: I use these social media tools to draw folks to my blog and to the concerns I have there. In addition, on Facebook I have a good time with my “Friends” discussing sports or the news. &lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;And I’m not alone. The idea of both Facebook and Twitter is to share with friends – real friends and not just cyberfriends – what you are doing.  We all know that this can slip into silliness with tweets like: “Having a chocolate macchiato latte, double shot espresso with a raspberry scone” But we should also admit that tweets can be a valuable communication form. And another thing is clear—Twitter and Facebook are here to stay. Over time the craziness will wear off and the abilities of social media will become more clear.&lt;br /&gt;
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			<title>Video Venues and Multi-Sites: Can We Please Move On?</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-05T19:33:27Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-05T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982076</id>
			<created>2009-11-05T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>We've got more important matters to discuss.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by David Swanson</name>
				
				<email>ljeditor@leadershipjournal.net</email>
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			<dc:subject>Obedience</dc:subject>
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				&lt;p&gt;May I vent for a moment? If I stumble onto another blog, article, or conference advertisement for anything having to do with video venues or multi-site models of church growth, I just might lose it. Everywhere I look within our odd little subculture these days I’m barraged by debates and diatribes about the glorious merits or awful shortcomings of venues and sites. On one side are proponents who seem to believe that only really good sliced bread can compete with their innovative ministry models for the title of “greatest thing ever.” Opposing these trendsetters are Marshall McLuhan’s  disciples, those who fear the Good News message has been distorted by an unholy medium.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;To be clear, I understand the nuanced distinctions between multiple sites and multiple video screens. I get that there are theological concerns embedded within this conversation that bring out the passionate sides of characteristically composed people. To be honest, I’ve followed this debate with some interest and could earnestly argue my own position about these ministry models. But I don’t want to. In fact, at this point I’d rather talk about almost anything else. Here’s why:&lt;br /&gt;
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			<title>Not a Christian, But a Christ-Follower?</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-04T14:26:14Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-04T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982066</id>
			<created>2009-11-04T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>The downside of trying to re-brand your Christian identity.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Jason Byassee</name>
				
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			<dc:subject>Obedience</dc:subject>
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				&lt;p&gt;Anyone can understand the desire for an alternative to the word “Christian.” There are plenty of “Christians” I’d rather not be associated with. I’d much prefer to maintain my relationship with Jesus while making clear to others I am not in relationship to Pat Robertson or Jack Spong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lisa Miller, true to form as an excellent religion journalist, has brought attention to efforts &lt;a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/188198"&gt;to follow Jesus without calling oneself a “Christian.” &lt;/a&gt;Non-Christian Christ-followers even seem to have some scripture on their side. The first name of the Jesus movement in the book of Acts is “followers of the Way.” There are plenty of other fully-biblical alternatives: disciples, apostles, friends of God. Apparently the movement has legs: more than 900 Facebook groups call themselves some variant of “follower of Jesus.”&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;There’s some sleight of hand here. Imagine a banker in the current financial crisis objecting when you name her job description. “I’m not a banker, I’m a cashier.” You would be unimpressed. Or a Major League Baseball player seeking distance from the steroid scandal this way: “No no no, I’m not a baseball player, I’m a second baseman.” It’s as if my alma mater, Davidson College, disgraced itself in some horrible way. When people cluck their tongues at me, I cleverly respond: “Not me, I’m innocent, I’m not from Davidson, I’m just a Wildcat.” I’d be fooling no one. So too with these non-Christian Christians.&lt;/p&gt;
									
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			<title>Ur Video: The Prosperity Gospel</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-03T15:45:54Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-03T06:00:00Z</issued>
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			<created>2009-11-03T06:00:00Z</created>
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				&lt;p&gt;Christianity Today International, Out of Ur's publisher, and The Lausanne Movement, a worldwide movement of evangelical Christian leaders, present &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/globalconversation"&gt;The Global Conversation&lt;/a&gt;: a year-long series of essays, short films, and photo essays about issues facing the church worldwide. These videos highlight topics to be addressed at the Third Lausanne Congress on World Evangelization being held in Cape Town, South Africa, in October 2010.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In November the Global Conversation focuses on the prosperity gospel—the teaching that true Christian faith results in material wealth and physical well-being. While it has its roots in America, it has found fertile soil on other continents as well. To accompany the lead article in Christianity Today by Ghanaian scholar Kwabena Asamoah-Gyadu, director Nathan Clarke went to Ghana to explore the forms the prosperity gospel takes in that West African nation.&lt;/p&gt;

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			<title>Catalyst, Liturgy, and Innovation</title>
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			<modified>2009-11-02T19:01:58Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-11-02T15:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982038</id>
			<created>2009-11-02T15:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>What liturgical church leaders and the Catalyst Conference can learn from each other.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Andy Rowell</name>
				
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				&lt;p&gt;According to data from the &lt;a href="http://www.soc.duke.edu/natcong/index.html"&gt;National Congregations Study (2006-2007), &lt;/a&gt;38% of people in the United States associate themselves with liturgical churches (Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopal, etc.); while 46% associate themselves with free churches (Baptist, Pentecostal, non-denominational, etc.).  The 14% of people associated with Methodist and Reformed/Presbyterian churches sit atop this watershed—some sliding down the liturgical slope, others down the free church slope.  Liturgical churches emphasize historical and global continuity in their worship services; whereas the term “free church” is related to the relative autonomy of individual congregations.  Almost every heated discussion about the church tends to divide along these liturgical / free church lines.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Liturgical clergy see their role as being a faithful steward of historic Christianity.  This consists especially of serving the Lord’s Supper and preaching.  Free church pastors tend to see their role as equipping their congregations for evangelism and social justice.  Because of their different understandings of their roles, it is not surprising that free church pastors are open to insights gleaned from megachurches, church planters, and business leaders; while liturgical church clergy see these sources as consumeristic, arrogant, and hopelessly misguided.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nowhere is free church innovation more plainly seen than at &lt;a href="http://www.catalystconference.com/"&gt;The Catalyst Conference&lt;/a&gt; attended by 13,000 people October 8-9 outside Atlanta, Georgia.  The Catalyst Conference is “&lt;a href="http://www.catalystspace.com/about/history"&gt;specifically focused on leaders under the age of 40&lt;/a&gt;.”  Its podcast tagline is “what’s next in the church.”  &lt;br /&gt;
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			<title>Are Small Groups Just for White People?</title>
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			<modified>2009-10-30T14:47:51Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-10-30T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982030</id>
			<created>2009-10-30T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>Why don't more ethnic churches have a small groups ministry?</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Sam O'Neal</name>
				
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			<dc:subject>Formation</dc:subject>
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				&lt;p&gt;I came across an interesting interview in the recent issue of &lt;em&gt;Leadership Journal&lt;/em&gt;. The subjects of the interview were from River City Community Church—a multi-ethnic ministry located in the Humboldt Park neighborhood of Chicago. Leadership talked with Daniel Hill, who founded the ministry, along with several key leaders of the church.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;Here's a brief excerpt of their conversation:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt; What kind of person is attracted to River City?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
    Hill: Most of our new people are white. But there's a revolving door with the white community here. They have a romantic notion of being part of a multi-ethnic church, so many of them get frustrated and leave when they realize how difficult it is to erase their assumptions about the way church is supposed to be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;    What assumptions do white people carry into the church?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
    Arloa Sutter (pastor of community life): When I came I said, "Let's just start small groups! Everyone wants to be in a group, right?" The fact is small groups aren't as important to other ethnicities as they are to white people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt; Small groups are a white church thing?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
    Hill: White people rely on small groups to connect. Other ethnicities form community more organically, more relationally. Immigrant communities find fellowship within extended families. In the city a lot of community happens on the front porch or sidewalk. So non-whites aren't as eager to set up structures and systems like small groups.&lt;/p&gt;
									
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			<title>Virtual Church is STILL a Bad Idea</title>
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			<modified>2009-10-27T20:13:14Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-10-27T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538982003</id>
			<created>2009-10-27T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>Online churches are missing a few essential ingredients.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Bob Hyatt</name>
				
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				&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;**Editor's Note: I apologize for the lack of posts in recent days. We've been experiencing some technical difficulties. -Url Scaramanga**&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was disappointed to read Douglas Estes’ piece last week on Ur, for a number of reasons, but chief among them is this: it fails to deal substantively with a single serious critique that has been raised regarding virtual church. In fact, Mr. Estes not only fails to address the critique, but he seems to fail even to understand it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So in a spirit of Christian love and good dialogue, let me respond point by point!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, Mr. Estes asserts that critique of virtual church can be boiled down to “Internet campuses and online churches are not true churches because they don’t look like and feel like churches are expected to look like and feel like (in the West, anyway).”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Respectfully, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, my concern about internet church is that it’s &lt;em&gt;too much&lt;/em&gt; like what we expect (and want) church to look and feel like (at least in the West). &lt;/p&gt;
									
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			<title>In Defense of Virtual Church</title>
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			<modified>2009-10-26T20:29:45Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-10-22T06:00:00Z</issued>
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			<created>2009-10-22T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>Douglas Estes, author of <em><a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=287841&item_code=WW&netp_id=584313&p=1025716">SimChurch</a></em>, responds to critics of online churches.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Douglas Estes</name>
				
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			<dc:subject>Worship</dc:subject>
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				&lt;p&gt;A myth is growing in some circles of the blogosphere that online church is not good, not healthy, and not biblical. If we read carefully the criticisms levied against internet campuses, they boil down to some very common and tired themes: &lt;em&gt;Internet campuses and online churches are not true churches because they don’t look like and feel like churches are expected to look like and feel like&lt;/em&gt; (in the West, anyway). Arguments against virtual church follow the idea that if it doesn’t look like church, feel like church, swim like church, or quack like church, it’s not a church. This may be a useful test for ducks, but churches are far more complex animals.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;This myth is causing even open-minded people to have doubts about whether a church online can be ‘real.’ Let’s lay aside for a moment that nowhere in the Bible does it preclude online church, in any way. Let’s lay aside the fact that church history almost nowhere would lead someone to conclude that a virtual church is not valid (the lesson of church history is that new formats for church always go through a period where they are attacked as invalid). Let’s lay aside the troubling truth of the testimonies of meaningful community that are coming out of online churches. Let’s lay aside the problem that most (all I’ve read) of the blogposts criticizing virtual churches are based on cultural factors, pop psychology, materialistic misreadings of a few New Testament verses, or worse, citations of famous pastors who have doubts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An even greater concern is the proliferation of a related myth: The myth of the “virtual” church. As a result several of the churches who have launched virtual campuses are telling their pastors and people, “Don’t use the word ‘virtual,’ because people think it means fake.” For the record, virtual doesn’t mean fake, it means synthetic. In the long run, it doesn’t matter whether church culture embraces or discards the word virtual, but we need to be accurate in our representation. Virtual churches are not fake churches; they are real churches that use synthetic space as a meeting place (or a synthetic medium as a means of building community). The ‘virtual’ part of the term—which identifies where they meet—has nothing to do with the question of their realness or validity.&lt;/p&gt;
									
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			<title>Margaret Feinberg: The Surprising Truth About Shepherds</title>
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			<modified>2009-10-21T15:47:47Z</modified>
			<issued>2009-10-21T06:00:00Z</issued>
			<id>tag:www.outofur.com,2009://1.538981961</id>
			<created>2009-10-21T06:00:00Z</created>
			<summary type="text/plain"><![CDATA[<p>An excerpt from her latest book, <em><a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=291220&item_code=WW&netp_id=613489&p=1025716">Scouting the Divine</a></em>.</p>]]></summary>
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				<name>by Margaret Feinberg</name>
				
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				&lt;p&gt;As we finished our tea and truffles, I took Lynne to the book of 1 Samuel. I explained that the first mention of someone in Scripture often reveals something significant about the person’s character. The first king of Israel, Saul, is introduced as a young man trying, unsuccessfully, to find his father’s donkeys. This humorous scene hints at Saul’s later inability to lead others well. Though his early years of ruling God’s people are marked by humility and self-control, over time Saul becomes disobedient, jealous, and full of hatred. He’s known as the foolish king who lost his crown.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;The introduction of Saul stands in sharp contrast to the first mention of David, the second king of Israel. The prophet Samuel is told by God that one of the sons of Jesse will be the next king. Noting that the Lord hasn’t chosen any of the first seven sons of Jesse, Samuel asks the father if he has any other sons. Jesse responds, “There remains yet the youngest, and behold, he is tending the sheep” (1 Samuel 16:11). When we meet David, he’s watching over his family’s livelihood.&lt;br /&gt;
The Hebrew word for youngest, qatan, implies insignificant and unimportant. One translator even uses the word “runt.” Though David is the runt of the litter, God selects him to rule over Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“Does it surprise you that the youngest child was caring for the sheep?”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“Not at all,” Lynne said. “In ancient societies, and even today in remote areas, the weakest members of a family are often the ones assigned to care for the sheep. When we were in Peru staying with a family, a five-year-old boy, a few women, and an old man took care of the family’s sheep. The shepherds were those who lacked the strength or skill to do more physically demanding labor.”&lt;br /&gt;
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