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		<title>Comment on A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald by Incitatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Incitatus</dc:creator>
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		<description>Excellent exegesis. Crumbled and examined closely. I like this site very much because of the intelligent and mature approach to address the love of kin and kith issue and the buttressing of arguments with plenty of scripture. 

When the author writes  "…E Pluribus Unum is falsely understood to mean a melting pot of races rather than unified, diverse, and bounded states in a voluntary compact," it came to my mind the witty quote of that great Southern writer Florence King: “We have too much Pluribus in the Unum.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent exegesis. Crumbled and examined closely. I like this site very much because of the intelligent and mature approach to address the love of kin and kith issue and the buttressing of arguments with plenty of scripture. </p>
<p>When the author writes  &#8220;…E Pluribus Unum is falsely understood to mean a melting pot of races rather than unified, diverse, and bounded states in a voluntary compact,&#8221; it came to my mind the witty quote of that great Southern writer Florence King: “We have too much Pluribus in the Unum.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald by Lynda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Lazarus.

As far as I am concerned Petr's comment is a very new take on celibacy.  Really, I do not know what to make of it.  

I have always thought that the celibate state lived for God, whether lay or clerical is a great blessing both for oneself, others and the Church.  

Celibacy is a charism of the Holy Spirit, in the words of our Lord - to receive the gift of being a eunuch for the sake of the kingdom.

I think of the religious orders that formed in Ireland around 5th century - great monastic foundations in which the consecrated lived the Evangelical Counsels with the view to ransoming those who had been captured by the Byzantine (probably that should be Jew slavers) which raided for slaves up and down the coast of N.W. Europe.  

It is for the bishops to say what charisms that are best needed at any one time to serve the Church and to discern those whom  they will ordain on the basis of specific charismata.

I personally have known many celibate men and women - lay, religious and clerical.  What I see are happy, fulfilled and blessed lives surrounded by family, friends and many, many spiritual children whom they converted to Christ.

I see no reason why celibacy can not be a kinist thing.  I am currently attempting to get my tweens to reject the death spiral of our godless culture - fornication, blasphemy. 

These young women, I will tell you now are completely whacked. It is deeply saddening to see young men taking advantage of the pathetic way in which they throw themselves at predatory men for booze, a night out, to be cool or whatever. They compete in slut contests, 'training' and degradation for male attention.  

This is the time, I think for the young men to just turn their backs on this, to be celibate for the kingdom and to seek the high road of Christ's purposes. 

I challenged the young men in my house, actually I bet them that they could be celibate and chaste for one month. Lewd thoughts? - well, they can just say an Ave Maria and see for themselves that the sex drive can be transformed and transfigured into other and better pursuits by Spiritual power and they can get serious about their lives.

Just turn off the television; come out of the Bermuda Triangle and say no to these young women who are exercising their power.

Well they did it. The best comment was: "I have never had so much energy in my entire life". 

They didn't spend their energy on the Christian faith - but they all excelled at their sports, lost the hormonal rages, acquired the body beautiful, mapped out their ambitions, purposes and set off in good directions, got up for morning prayers, began to acquire taste in music, read books and began to converse about real topics such as the type of young women they might desire to marry. 

Rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Lazarus.</p>
<p>As far as I am concerned Petr&#8217;s comment is a very new take on celibacy.  Really, I do not know what to make of it.  </p>
<p>I have always thought that the celibate state lived for God, whether lay or clerical is a great blessing both for oneself, others and the Church.  </p>
<p>Celibacy is a charism of the Holy Spirit, in the words of our Lord &#8211; to receive the gift of being a eunuch for the sake of the kingdom.</p>
<p>I think of the religious orders that formed in Ireland around 5th century &#8211; great monastic foundations in which the consecrated lived the Evangelical Counsels with the view to ransoming those who had been captured by the Byzantine (probably that should be Jew slavers) which raided for slaves up and down the coast of N.W. Europe.  </p>
<p>It is for the bishops to say what charisms that are best needed at any one time to serve the Church and to discern those whom  they will ordain on the basis of specific charismata.</p>
<p>I personally have known many celibate men and women &#8211; lay, religious and clerical.  What I see are happy, fulfilled and blessed lives surrounded by family, friends and many, many spiritual children whom they converted to Christ.</p>
<p>I see no reason why celibacy can not be a kinist thing.  I am currently attempting to get my tweens to reject the death spiral of our godless culture &#8211; fornication, blasphemy. </p>
<p>These young women, I will tell you now are completely whacked. It is deeply saddening to see young men taking advantage of the pathetic way in which they throw themselves at predatory men for booze, a night out, to be cool or whatever. They compete in slut contests, &#8216;training&#8217; and degradation for male attention.  </p>
<p>This is the time, I think for the young men to just turn their backs on this, to be celibate for the kingdom and to seek the high road of Christ&#8217;s purposes. </p>
<p>I challenged the young men in my house, actually I bet them that they could be celibate and chaste for one month. Lewd thoughts? &#8211; well, they can just say an Ave Maria and see for themselves that the sex drive can be transformed and transfigured into other and better pursuits by Spiritual power and they can get serious about their lives.</p>
<p>Just turn off the television; come out of the Bermuda Triangle and say no to these young women who are exercising their power.</p>
<p>Well they did it. The best comment was: &#8220;I have never had so much energy in my entire life&#8221;. </p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t spend their energy on the Christian faith &#8211; but they all excelled at their sports, lost the hormonal rages, acquired the body beautiful, mapped out their ambitions, purposes and set off in good directions, got up for morning prayers, began to acquire taste in music, read books and began to converse about real topics such as the type of young women they might desire to marry. </p>
<p>Rest my case.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald by Lazarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petr,

This is fascinating.  You should develop this comparison into a paper for the next &lt;a href="http://www.kinism.net/index.php/weblog/publications/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kinist Review&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petr,</p>
<p>This is fascinating.  You should develop this comparison into a paper for the next <a href="http://www.kinism.net/index.php/weblog/publications/" rel="nofollow">Kinist Review</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Interracial Marriage Scriptural? by A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald | Spirit/Water/Blood</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald | Spirit/Water/Blood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald by Petr</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2010/08/a-kinist-response-to-the-baptized-unitarianism-of-james-mcdonald/comment-page-1/#comment-16828</link>
		<dc:creator>Petr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing the comparison of forced celibacy and anti-kinist forced integration; 

Just like modern anti-racialists often hide self-interested or sinister political schemes behind lofty idealistic rhetoric, so it's widely thought by historians that the forced celibacy played an essential part in the great papal power grab that began in the 11th century and turned popes into rivals for earthly power with emperors themselves.

It was the very same pope, Gregory VII or Hildebrand, that finally officially abolished clerical marriages and who truly started the struggle between imperial and papal powers. This was no co-incidence.

Gregory had to abolish clerical marriages for the simple reason that it were primarily the familial ties that prevented priests from giving their unconditional support to international Vatican power, and made them sympathize with local interests of their own countries.

Only by turning priests into loyal kinless functionaries (rather like the eunuchs in Oriental courts, whom despots favored precisely because they had no clan-connections that could threaten rulers) could popes maintain a firm grip on these spiritual footsoldiers of theirs:

http://www.johnshuster.com/thirtynine_popes.htm

"The hierarchy viewed married priests as an obstacle to their quest for total control of the church and focused a two pronged attack against them. They used mandatory celibacy to attack and dissolve the influential priestly families throughout Europe and the Mediterranean world. At the same time they claimed ownership of the churches and the lands owned by married priests. As landowners the medieval hierarchy knew that they would gain the political power they sought in every country in Europe. An additional benefit of land ownership was money. They now had the ability to collect taxes from the faithful and charge money for indulgences and other sacramental ministry.20 ...

In 1074, Pope Gregory VII legislated that anyone to be ordained must first pledge celibacy. Continuing his attack against women, he publicly stated that "...the Church cannot escape from the clutches of the laity unless priests first escape the clutches of their wives".21"

Also in other ways, the rise of absolute papal power (that the Reformers renounced as antichrist) was accompanied by latently Gnostic/Manichaean reasoning - I cite a militantly Eastern Orthodox source:

http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/THE%20FALL%20OF%20ORTHODOX%20ENGLAND%205X8.htm

"Nor did the emperor’s anointing give him any authority in Gregory’s eyes. For “greater power is conceded to an exorcist, when he is made a spiritual emperor for expelling demons, than could be given to any layman for secular domination”. Indeed, 

“who would not know that kings and dukes took their origin from those who, ignorant of God, through pride, rapine, perfidy, murders and, finally, almost any kind of crime, at the instigation of the devil, the prince of this world, sought with blind desire and unbearable presumption to dominate their equals, namely other men?”[194]

Hildebrand’s attitude to political power was almost Manichaean in its negative intensity. Indeed, as de Rosa writes of a later Pope who faithfully followed Hildebrand’s teaching, 

“this was Manicheeism applied to relations between church and state. The church, spiritual, was good; the state, material, was essentially the work of the devil. This naked political absolutism undermined the authority of kings. Taken seriously, his theories would lead to anarchy”.[195]"

In sum, clerical (as well as monastic) celibacy was an indispensable part the program of papal internationalism, or medieval form of Babelism. Likewise today, anti-Kinism is one of the vital building blocks of one-world New World Order and its opponents can expect to be treated as vile heretics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing the comparison of forced celibacy and anti-kinist forced integration; </p>
<p>Just like modern anti-racialists often hide self-interested or sinister political schemes behind lofty idealistic rhetoric, so it&#8217;s widely thought by historians that the forced celibacy played an essential part in the great papal power grab that began in the 11th century and turned popes into rivals for earthly power with emperors themselves.</p>
<p>It was the very same pope, Gregory VII or Hildebrand, that finally officially abolished clerical marriages and who truly started the struggle between imperial and papal powers. This was no co-incidence.</p>
<p>Gregory had to abolish clerical marriages for the simple reason that it were primarily the familial ties that prevented priests from giving their unconditional support to international Vatican power, and made them sympathize with local interests of their own countries.</p>
<p>Only by turning priests into loyal kinless functionaries (rather like the eunuchs in Oriental courts, whom despots favored precisely because they had no clan-connections that could threaten rulers) could popes maintain a firm grip on these spiritual footsoldiers of theirs:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.johnshuster.com/thirtynine_popes.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnshuster.com/thirtynine_popes.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The hierarchy viewed married priests as an obstacle to their quest for total control of the church and focused a two pronged attack against them. They used mandatory celibacy to attack and dissolve the influential priestly families throughout Europe and the Mediterranean world. At the same time they claimed ownership of the churches and the lands owned by married priests. As landowners the medieval hierarchy knew that they would gain the political power they sought in every country in Europe. An additional benefit of land ownership was money. They now had the ability to collect taxes from the faithful and charge money for indulgences and other sacramental ministry.20 &#8230;</p>
<p>In 1074, Pope Gregory VII legislated that anyone to be ordained must first pledge celibacy. Continuing his attack against women, he publicly stated that &#8220;&#8230;the Church cannot escape from the clutches of the laity unless priests first escape the clutches of their wives&#8221;.21&#8243;</p>
<p>Also in other ways, the rise of absolute papal power (that the Reformers renounced as antichrist) was accompanied by latently Gnostic/Manichaean reasoning &#8211; I cite a militantly Eastern Orthodox source:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/THE%20FALL%20OF%20ORTHODOX%20ENGLAND%205X8.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/THE%20FALL%20OF%20ORTHODOX%20ENGLAND%205X8.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Nor did the emperor’s anointing give him any authority in Gregory’s eyes. For “greater power is conceded to an exorcist, when he is made a spiritual emperor for expelling demons, than could be given to any layman for secular domination”. Indeed, </p>
<p>“who would not know that kings and dukes took their origin from those who, ignorant of God, through pride, rapine, perfidy, murders and, finally, almost any kind of crime, at the instigation of the devil, the prince of this world, sought with blind desire and unbearable presumption to dominate their equals, namely other men?”[194]</p>
<p>Hildebrand’s attitude to political power was almost Manichaean in its negative intensity. Indeed, as de Rosa writes of a later Pope who faithfully followed Hildebrand’s teaching, </p>
<p>“this was Manicheeism applied to relations between church and state. The church, spiritual, was good; the state, material, was essentially the work of the devil. This naked political absolutism undermined the authority of kings. Taken seriously, his theories would lead to anarchy”.[195]&#8221;</p>
<p>In sum, clerical (as well as monastic) celibacy was an indispensable part the program of papal internationalism, or medieval form of Babelism. Likewise today, anti-Kinism is one of the vital building blocks of one-world New World Order and its opponents can expect to be treated as vile heretics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to the Blood (Malachi 4:6) by A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald | Spirit/Water/Blood</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Kinist Response to the Baptized Unitarianism of James McDonald | Spirit/Water/Blood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 03:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] additional background on the perverted anti-Kinist mindset, see Petr’s comment here which compares anti-Kinism to the celibacy mania of the medieval era. “Both were and are [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Back to the Blood (Malachi 4:6) by John Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The neo-Babelists have great difficulty getting past Leibniz's principle of the identity of indiscernables from his Discourse on Metaphysics, its relation to the Trinitarian ontology, and its application in the context of the Great Commission and the national composition of the New Earth. Once we have dispensed with anti-Kinist arguments from identity, it is then merely a matter not of whether race has significance in godly polity and social organization, but merely how much -at which point we are quibbling over percentages.

Also, I deal with Isa. 19:18-25 based objections of an RPCNA member here:

http://www.kinism.net/index.php/forums/viewthread/2022/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The neo-Babelists have great difficulty getting past Leibniz&#8217;s principle of the identity of indiscernables from his Discourse on Metaphysics, its relation to the Trinitarian ontology, and its application in the context of the Great Commission and the national composition of the New Earth. Once we have dispensed with anti-Kinist arguments from identity, it is then merely a matter not of whether race has significance in godly polity and social organization, but merely how much -at which point we are quibbling over percentages.</p>
<p>Also, I deal with Isa. 19:18-25 based objections of an RPCNA member here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kinism.net/index.php/forums/viewthread/2022/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kinism.net/index.php/forums/viewthread/2022/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to the Blood (Malachi 4:6) by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it led to Harry's "lying traitor" piece here, which I think was actually written in 2005 or 2006.

http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/08/john-piper-a-lying-traitor/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it led to Harry&#8217;s &#8220;lying traitor&#8221; piece here, which I think was actually written in 2005 or 2006.</p>
<p><a href="http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/08/john-piper-a-lying-traitor/" rel="nofollow">http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/08/john-piper-a-lying-traitor/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to the Blood (Malachi 4:6) by Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have y'all seen this? One of the "great" reformed teachers of our time...

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2005/198_Racial_Harmony_and_Interracial_Marriage/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have y&#8217;all seen this? One of the &#8220;great&#8221; reformed teachers of our time&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2005/198_Racial_Harmony_and_Interracial_Marriage/" rel="nofollow">http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2005/198_Racial_Harmony_and_Interracial_Marriage/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to the Blood (Malachi 4:6) by Winston Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That negroid was hit by an ice cream truck! That's right - the Good Humor man plowed his black a**!</description>
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