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		<title>Comment on Church Work Day: Pizza lunch provided! – Saturday March 24 by Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, I know you were taking pictures. Let's see 'em!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, I know you were taking pictures. Let&#8217;s see &#8216;em!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pancake Breakfast – Sunday February 12 at 9:15 am by Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please contact Kenneth Gilbert if you are planning on attending or if you have any questions. Thanks so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please contact Kenneth Gilbert if you are planning on attending or if you have any questions. Thanks so much!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fall Worship begins at 11:00 am by Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 01:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't be late (early is acceptable.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be late (early is acceptable.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunday Morning Conversation and Book Study by Jan Edmiston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Edmiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Date Change:  Because of the weather cancellations in February, we are bumping the Trauma &amp; Grace book study to begin on FEBRUARY 28 (not the 21st.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Date Change:  Because of the weather cancellations in February, we are bumping the Trauma &amp; Grace book study to begin on FEBRUARY 28 (not the 21st.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hospitality Corner: Talk with folks after worship by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't view having the sanctuary doors closed as meaning it's "closed."  I think the symbolism is, "this is a separate place that we have set aside for special purposes."  To me, this is an upside: when we enter that space, we acknowledge the special power of corporate worship.  It's about a certain reverence that comes from that environment.  I think having greeters open the doors for people would make it welcoming, because someone is making an effort to open the door to that space for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t view having the sanctuary doors closed as meaning it&#8217;s &#8220;closed.&#8221;  I think the symbolism is, &#8220;this is a separate place that we have set aside for special purposes.&#8221;  To me, this is an upside: when we enter that space, we acknowledge the special power of corporate worship.  It&#8217;s about a certain reverence that comes from that environment.  I think having greeters open the doors for people would make it welcoming, because someone is making an effort to open the door to that space for you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hospitality Corner: Talk with folks after worship by Tim Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, thanks for the clarification.

I talked to a couple people after the Deacon's meeting last night but we discussed ways to do this after worship.  Before worship changes things.  One of the ideas considered for after worship that may be able to shift to before is having the greeters open the sanctuary doors which would be closed to reduce sound and potentially signal a shift from an area for greeting and meeting to a more contemplative environment.  The downside is the symbolism of the sanctuary doors being closed.  What would be your thoughts?  (I know you mentioned it as one of your points above but wanted to see about the symbolism).

I'd also be happy to meet with you, Michael, Brooke, and anyone else and talk through the time before service to see what else could be tried.  Not sure what they would be but perhaps by putting our heads together we can come up with things that will improve things.

Thanks for bringing this concern up.  I am looking forward to working with you all to find ways to address it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>I talked to a couple people after the Deacon&#8217;s meeting last night but we discussed ways to do this after worship.  Before worship changes things.  One of the ideas considered for after worship that may be able to shift to before is having the greeters open the sanctuary doors which would be closed to reduce sound and potentially signal a shift from an area for greeting and meeting to a more contemplative environment.  The downside is the symbolism of the sanctuary doors being closed.  What would be your thoughts?  (I know you mentioned it as one of your points above but wanted to see about the symbolism).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be happy to meet with you, Michael, Brooke, and anyone else and talk through the time before service to see what else could be tried.  Not sure what they would be but perhaps by putting our heads together we can come up with things that will improve things.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing this concern up.  I am looking forward to working with you all to find ways to address it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hospitality Corner: Talk with folks after worship by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm specifically talking about the atmosphere during half hour immediately BEFORE worship - it has not been conducive to contemplation when the groups in the narthex are quite loud in the half hour or so before worship.  My suggestions are all meant to be about this particular time.

After worship is totally different (except on very somber occasions like Ash Wednesday or Maundy Thursday).  Let it all out.  Do whatever.  Our concern is for what's happening prior to and during the prelude.

I guess our comments were a little off-topic when I go back and read  your original post, where you were talking mostly about post-worship things.  It's just that the noise level pre-worship was particularly vexing this week so it's fresh in our minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m specifically talking about the atmosphere during half hour immediately BEFORE worship &#8211; it has not been conducive to contemplation when the groups in the narthex are quite loud in the half hour or so before worship.  My suggestions are all meant to be about this particular time.</p>
<p>After worship is totally different (except on very somber occasions like Ash Wednesday or Maundy Thursday).  Let it all out.  Do whatever.  Our concern is for what&#8217;s happening prior to and during the prelude.</p>
<p>I guess our comments were a little off-topic when I go back and read  your original post, where you were talking mostly about post-worship things.  It&#8217;s just that the noise level pre-worship was particularly vexing this week so it&#8217;s fresh in our minds.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hospitality Corner: Talk with folks after worship by Tim Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing (I said prelude went I meant postlude).  Brooke and Michael - are you more concerned about entering a place of worship and needing an environment to contemplate God or is that you want this time of contemplation to continue after the benediction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing (I said prelude went I meant postlude).  Brooke and Michael &#8211; are you more concerned about entering a place of worship and needing an environment to contemplate God or is that you want this time of contemplation to continue after the benediction?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hospitality Corner: Talk with folks after worship by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to make the same comment as Brooke, and would now just like to add my "hear! hear!"  It's become a situation where one group seem to be getting their version of hospitality at the expense of another group that comes for quiet centering prayer in the sanctuary.

We try to get all musical rehearsals and warmups in the sanctuary finished by 30 minutes before worship time, because people are often there that early.  When I do come in to play the prelude, it is always chosen to support an atmosphere and contemplation and meditative prayer.  This atmosphere has become more and more disrupted over the last several months.

I have some suggestions that might help:
1. Move the coffee service and name-tags to the lobby area, or move it further back into the parlor and partially close the movable partition.  This would create a little more distance between loud discussions and the sanctuary environment.
2. Keep the sanctuary doors closed after 9:30, so they only open briefly as people enter.
3. Have church staff and greeters set a tone of "keeping it down" when in or near the sanctuary once it is 'occupied.'  Speak in hushed tones, and suggest things like "this is really interesting.  Let's move this conversation to the lobby or outside so we don't disrupt the people praying here."  If others see the leadership setting an example, they will follow.

These might not be the answer - they are intended as thinking points.  I think #3 is probably the best place to start.  I also think this points to the importance (as Tim mentioned in an earlier post) of making post-worship time the focus of our hospitality.  There will be less tension between different styles and needs at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to make the same comment as Brooke, and would now just like to add my &#8220;hear! hear!&#8221;  It&#8217;s become a situation where one group seem to be getting their version of hospitality at the expense of another group that comes for quiet centering prayer in the sanctuary.</p>
<p>We try to get all musical rehearsals and warmups in the sanctuary finished by 30 minutes before worship time, because people are often there that early.  When I do come in to play the prelude, it is always chosen to support an atmosphere and contemplation and meditative prayer.  This atmosphere has become more and more disrupted over the last several months.</p>
<p>I have some suggestions that might help:<br />
1. Move the coffee service and name-tags to the lobby area, or move it further back into the parlor and partially close the movable partition.  This would create a little more distance between loud discussions and the sanctuary environment.<br />
2. Keep the sanctuary doors closed after 9:30, so they only open briefly as people enter.<br />
3. Have church staff and greeters set a tone of &#8220;keeping it down&#8221; when in or near the sanctuary once it is &#8216;occupied.&#8217;  Speak in hushed tones, and suggest things like &#8220;this is really interesting.  Let&#8217;s move this conversation to the lobby or outside so we don&#8217;t disrupt the people praying here.&#8221;  If others see the leadership setting an example, they will follow.</p>
<p>These might not be the answer &#8211; they are intended as thinking points.  I think #3 is probably the best place to start.  I also think this points to the importance (as Tim mentioned in an earlier post) of making post-worship time the focus of our hospitality.  There will be less tension between different styles and needs at that time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hospitality Corner: Talk with folks after worship by Tim Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooke, great question!  I am all ears of a good way to do this.  I know a lot of churches do their time of fellowship in another space - say their Fellowship Hall - that is not a good fit for us because of the stairs.  But would there be other ideas?  Could we have a longer pause before the time of prelude?  Is there another space we could use?  Would it work outside?

Not sure, but would be interesting to hear your and other thoughts on a way to do this and also allow folks to continue their time of contemplation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooke, great question!  I am all ears of a good way to do this.  I know a lot of churches do their time of fellowship in another space &#8211; say their Fellowship Hall &#8211; that is not a good fit for us because of the stairs.  But would there be other ideas?  Could we have a longer pause before the time of prelude?  Is there another space we could use?  Would it work outside?</p>
<p>Not sure, but would be interesting to hear your and other thoughts on a way to do this and also allow folks to continue their time of contemplation.</p>
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