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		<title>Comment on The Bush Dogs by ILDEM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILDEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IL-8 is a district made up of wealthy, college educated professionals, and lower-to-mid middle class working people.  

The wealthy portion tend to be fiscally conservative but are socially liberal.  They have voted Republican, but are also willing to vote Democratic when presented with a "non-threatening" candidate -- that is, one that does not scream about raising taxes. This segment, along with card carrying Democrats, helped get Bean into office.

The low-to-mid middle class portion are socially conservative and mostly loyal to the Republican party.  They have supported reactionary Republican candidates for national office, and are less likely to switch parities for anyone -- Bean included.

Maybe this is what confuses people about IL-8: that the wealthy are the best chance to get a Democrat elected, and the working class portion is the most likely to vote Republican.

Drive through the district: in the North, there are more churches than places to eat; in the west, there is more retail, recreation and estates.

So, how did Bean win, and how will she continue to win? By stressing conservative tax positions and toeing the line on major issues so as to not be called out by Republicans.

As a result, Bean is one of the most conservative, reactionary representatives in the House calling herself a Democrat.  She knows the local and state party will support her simply because she is an incumbent.  Bean doesn't care what anyone here or on any Democratic blog has to say about her.  In fact, your opinions of her only demonstrate to her what she should be against. Bean would have run as a Republican had the opportunity presented itself, but with Crane as the incumbent, her only chance was to run as a Democrat. (Crane, it turns out, did more for progressive politics in the district simply by being drunk and not showing up to vote. Bean's problem is simply that she is there and votes.)

I know all this because I have spoken to her on numerous occasions, seen her at work on the campaign trail, and live in her district.

As long as Bean is in Congress she will vote for Pelosi for majority leader and vote with the Democrats on procedural issues.  Otherwise, she will vote with the Republicans.

That's simply the way it is.  Either live with a Democrat who votes with the Republicans in order to secure the committee chairs, or sacrifice a seat for in hopes of getting a candidate who you care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IL-8 is a district made up of wealthy, college educated professionals, and lower-to-mid middle class working people.  </p>
<p>The wealthy portion tend to be fiscally conservative but are socially liberal.  They have voted Republican, but are also willing to vote Democratic when presented with a &#8220;non-threatening&#8221; candidate &#8212; that is, one that does not scream about raising taxes. This segment, along with card carrying Democrats, helped get Bean into office.</p>
<p>The low-to-mid middle class portion are socially conservative and mostly loyal to the Republican party.  They have supported reactionary Republican candidates for national office, and are less likely to switch parities for anyone &#8212; Bean included.</p>
<p>Maybe this is what confuses people about IL-8: that the wealthy are the best chance to get a Democrat elected, and the working class portion is the most likely to vote Republican.</p>
<p>Drive through the district: in the North, there are more churches than places to eat; in the west, there is more retail, recreation and estates.</p>
<p>So, how did Bean win, and how will she continue to win? By stressing conservative tax positions and toeing the line on major issues so as to not be called out by Republicans.</p>
<p>As a result, Bean is one of the most conservative, reactionary representatives in the House calling herself a Democrat.  She knows the local and state party will support her simply because she is an incumbent.  Bean doesn&#8217;t care what anyone here or on any Democratic blog has to say about her.  In fact, your opinions of her only demonstrate to her what she should be against. Bean would have run as a Republican had the opportunity presented itself, but with Crane as the incumbent, her only chance was to run as a Democrat. (Crane, it turns out, did more for progressive politics in the district simply by being drunk and not showing up to vote. Bean&#8217;s problem is simply that she is there and votes.)</p>
<p>I know all this because I have spoken to her on numerous occasions, seen her at work on the campaign trail, and live in her district.</p>
<p>As long as Bean is in Congress she will vote for Pelosi for majority leader and vote with the Democrats on procedural issues.  Otherwise, she will vote with the Republicans.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s simply the way it is.  Either live with a Democrat who votes with the Republicans in order to secure the committee chairs, or sacrifice a seat for in hopes of getting a candidate who you care about.</p>

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		<title>Comment on The Question is Seldom Asked; Is Our Children Learning by Rob_N</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/05/09/the-question-is-seldom-asked-is-our-children-learning/#comment-15832</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob_N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not a race or class or gender problem when looked at from a macro view, but on a micro view -- at the geographic level -- the effect does become pronounced.

Not to pick on Appalachia, but as many have noted it is in that region of America where this effect is most stark... And WV is smack in the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a race or class or gender problem when looked at from a macro view, but on a micro view &#8212; at the geographic level &#8212; the effect does become pronounced.</p>
<p>Not to pick on Appalachia, but as many have noted it is in that region of America where this effect is most stark&#8230; And WV is smack in the middle.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Daily Dolt:  Yes, Fox News, A Black Man Ran For US Senate in Illinois in 1858 by deadly earnest</title>
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		<dc:creator>deadly earnest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a hilarious post.

Still, I can't believe you're not blogging on the night that Obama finally clinches it.  Well, yeah, Indy is a tie, but even if she doesn't actually quit tomorrow, the superdels will roll in the next week.

It's over.  We won!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a hilarious post.</p>
<p>Still, I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re not blogging on the night that Obama finally clinches it.  Well, yeah, Indy is a tie, but even if she doesn&#8217;t actually quit tomorrow, the superdels will roll in the next week.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s over.  We won!</p>

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		<title>Comment on I Must Be in the Front Row by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Steve Earle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Steve Earle!</p>

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		<title>Comment on I Must Be in the Front Row by Clark</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/05/05/i-must-be-in-the-front-row/#comment-15793</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. The Pageant usually doesn't reserve seating, except for the balcony. This entails me getting completely sloshed before almost every show I attend there, since I get there early to get a seat and spend the two hours before the band arrives drinking myself under the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. The Pageant usually doesn&#8217;t reserve seating, except for the balcony. This entails me getting completely sloshed before almost every show I attend there, since I get there early to get a seat and spend the two hours before the band arrives drinking myself under the table.</p>

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		<title>Comment on The Cost of Waiting by test » Blog Archive » The Cost of Waiting</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/04/25/the-cost-of-waiting/#comment-15772</link>
		<dc:creator>test » Blog Archive » The Cost of Waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cost of Waiting    Jim and Cathy Peschke wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptThis primary election is about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Cost of Waiting    Jim and Cathy Peschke wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThis primary election is about [&#8230;]</p>

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		<title>Comment on My Memories of Harold Washington by Didymus</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/04/29/my-memories-of-harold-washington/#comment-15771</link>
		<dc:creator>Didymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 00:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be that what we are seeing in the Democratic Presidential primary season of 2008 is the race that Chicago dealt with in 1983.  It should be remembered that most of America has not had their own "Harold Washington" and that they have not lived in a community, region, or state where the highest elected official was Black.

Or at least a community that elected Blacks and then Whites.

Many of the communities that have elected an African-American for mayor, etc, in the midst of social dislocation or upheaval, and don't again elect a white--leading to some to quietly consider the town "lost".

Statewide, the Washington years also had the fortunate effect of bringing together Cook County's first "Dream Ticket" (including Judge Pucinski for Circuit Clerk and Ambassador Braun for Recorder), setting the stage for "upticket" statewide races (certainly not begrudging Roland Burris' wins as Comptroller, but his election as AG, along with CMB and Secretary White's wins, were greatly benefited by the novelty of Blacks high on the ticket having worn off).

Frankly, in this regard, an African-American at the top of an Illinois ticket or serving as chief executive is as noteworthy as Tiger Woods winning a tournament.  This small step has been little noticed by the national press and commentators--probably because it would stand in the way of their prejudged notions.


The history of Chicago may come to see the Byrne-Washington administrations as the interregnum between Daleys, but contemporaneous viewers see the importance of both mayors in re-engaging disaffected Independents and Progressive Democrats back into the electoral process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be that what we are seeing in the Democratic Presidential primary season of 2008 is the race that Chicago dealt with in 1983.  It should be remembered that most of America has not had their own &#8220;Harold Washington&#8221; and that they have not lived in a community, region, or state where the highest elected official was Black.</p>
<p>Or at least a community that elected Blacks and then Whites.</p>
<p>Many of the communities that have elected an African-American for mayor, etc, in the midst of social dislocation or upheaval, and don&#8217;t again elect a white&#8211;leading to some to quietly consider the town &#8220;lost&#8221;.</p>
<p>Statewide, the Washington years also had the fortunate effect of bringing together Cook County&#8217;s first &#8220;Dream Ticket&#8221; (including Judge Pucinski for Circuit Clerk and Ambassador Braun for Recorder), setting the stage for &#8220;upticket&#8221; statewide races (certainly not begrudging Roland Burris&#8217; wins as Comptroller, but his election as AG, along with CMB and Secretary White&#8217;s wins, were greatly benefited by the novelty of Blacks high on the ticket having worn off).</p>
<p>Frankly, in this regard, an African-American at the top of an Illinois ticket or serving as chief executive is as noteworthy as Tiger Woods winning a tournament.  This small step has been little noticed by the national press and commentators&#8211;probably because it would stand in the way of their prejudged notions.</p>
<p>The history of Chicago may come to see the Byrne-Washington administrations as the interregnum between Daleys, but contemporaneous viewers see the importance of both mayors in re-engaging disaffected Independents and Progressive Democrats back into the electoral process.</p>

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		<title>Comment on The Candidates and Child Care by My new WordPress MU Site » Blog Archive » The Candidates and Child Care</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/04/28/the-candidates-and-child-care/#comment-15753</link>
		<dc:creator>My new WordPress MU Site » Blog Archive » The Candidates and Child Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newsupdate wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptClinton’s plan is perfect for Hillary Clinton. It is exactly what one would expect in 1996 and not 2008. It is as if she exists in a policy timewarp focusing on big programs organized by the states’ deparment of education. The problem? … [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Newsupdate wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptClinton’s plan is perfect for Hillary Clinton. It is exactly what one would expect in 1996 and not 2008. It is as if she exists in a policy timewarp focusing on big programs organized by the states’ deparment of education. The problem? &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>

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		<title>Comment on Daily Dolt:  Yes, Fox News, A Black Man Ran For US Senate in Illinois in 1858 by Rob_N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob_N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What do you think?" indeed.

&lt;a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24376946#24376946" rel="nofollow"&gt;Christian "Badass in the Dojo" Finnegan&lt;/a&gt; had a good take on equally (in)appropriate Douglasses.

At least it wasn't Frederick Douglass and a picture of the Lincoln Tunnel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do you think?&#8221; indeed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24376946#24376946" rel="nofollow">Christian &#8220;Badass in the Dojo&#8221; Finnegan</a> had a good take on equally (in)appropriate Douglasses.</p>
<p>At least it wasn&#8217;t Frederick Douglass and a picture of the Lincoln Tunnel.</p>

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		<title>Comment on On This Day In History by Tom B.</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/04/29/on-this-day-in-history/#comment-15737</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings from out west Larry.  Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from out west Larry.  Great post.</p>

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		<title>Comment on My Memories of Harold Washington by Levois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post. I suppose it's always good to question things. Perhaps things aren't always as they seem to be. Also it sounds like people in central Illinois had a certain amount of fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post. I suppose it&#8217;s always good to question things. Perhaps things aren&#8217;t always as they seem to be. Also it sounds like people in central Illinois had a certain amount of fear.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dude, When the Constitution Party Won’t Take You by Rob_N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob_N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He still has campaigners? Even Eaton walked away from the conservative cowboy.

(Bring back the hat pic, Arch!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He still has campaigners? Even Eaton walked away from the conservative cowboy.</p>
<p>(Bring back the hat pic, Arch!)</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dude, When the Constitution Party Won’t Take You by Levois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't be surprised if a member of the Keyes campaign comes by and lays a broadside. :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised if a member of the Keyes campaign comes by and lays a broadside. <img src='http://archpundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>

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		<title>Comment on My Memories of Harold Washington by Nuisance Industry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuisance Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Hyde Park 25 years ago; even there -- in Harold's own neighborhood -- one could see some of the racial hysteria that put Bernie Epton as close to the mayor's office as any Republican since Big Bill Thompson.  I remember being so happy and proud when Harold won.

His ability to overcome his enemies both in the elections and on the job (maybe a tougher task) made me a fan for life.  I wish his life had been longer; the link above is to something I wrote on the twentieth anniversary of his death.  Thank you for commemorating a happier anniversary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Hyde Park 25 years ago; even there &#8212; in Harold&#8217;s own neighborhood &#8212; one could see some of the racial hysteria that put Bernie Epton as close to the mayor&#8217;s office as any Republican since Big Bill Thompson.  I remember being so happy and proud when Harold won.</p>
<p>His ability to overcome his enemies both in the elections and on the job (maybe a tougher task) made me a fan for life.  I wish his life had been longer; the link above is to something I wrote on the twentieth anniversary of his death.  Thank you for commemorating a happier anniversary.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Harold!: Photographs from the Harold Washington Years by Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also visit the Gage Gallery at Roosevelt U (18 S Michigan) to see some of these pictures in person, and see the former Mayor's chair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also visit the Gage Gallery at Roosevelt U (18 S Michigan) to see some of these pictures in person, and see the former Mayor&#8217;s chair.</p>

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