Comments for Ramblings! http://www.projectchina.org/blog from the life and mind of a missionary to China. Fri, 18 May 2012 03:16:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on An Amazing Journey: 声调 [shēngdiào] by Project China http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForProjectChinaNews/~3/cTPzgA-dKpw/ Project China Fri, 18 May 2012 03:16:46 +0000 http://www.projectchina.org/blog/?p=10388#comment-2319 Thank you for the encouraging comment Corli! God bless you! Thank you for the encouraging comment Corli! God bless you!

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]]> http://www.projectchina.org/blog/2012/04/23/train-family-undercover-og-pray-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2315 Comment on The Gospel in China: The Li Bo Perspective by Project China http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForProjectChinaNews/~3/g92erlcieTk/ Project China Fri, 18 May 2012 03:14:01 +0000 http://www.projectchina.org/blog/?p=10365#comment-2314 True Jimmy, thanks for the comment! True Jimmy, thanks for the comment!

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]]> http://www.projectchina.org/blog/2012/04/27/the-gospel-in-china-the-li-bo-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-2314 Comment on China & Bible Smuggling (Part 3 of 3) by Project China http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForProjectChinaNews/~3/prsfuJBOYvY/ Project China Fri, 18 May 2012 03:12:30 +0000 http://www.projectchina.org/blog/?p=9961#comment-2313 Hey Kenney, Thanks for the comment. I think we are coming to different conclusions because we have different "assumptions". 1) You are assuming there is a "big concern" with limited bibles and training resources. Living in China and working in house churches, I do no see this "big concern" for a lack of bibles and training resources. 2) Cults are growing because in many ways are more bold in their approach. 3) I agree that a part of the "revival in china" is because of the charismatic pastors and ministries, you assume this is a good thing, I don't. I don't believe charismatic doctrine is "sound doctrine" and thus uniting with them would hurt our purpose of "training in sound doctrine and pastoring". 4) I am concerned with "women pastors" because I believe they are not pastors according to the Word of God. You assume they are. 5) You are assuming unity is more important than truth. I assume the opposite. I agree there are a lot of people and ministries doing a great work in China. I even agree that that are many things (in reference to opinion) that we can overlook for the unity of the body and furtherance of the Gospel. At the same time, the line has to be drawn somewhere, otherwise we will be accepting and including many cults that have a "Christian appearance" to them. I have noticed that many working in China misinform many in the USA about the true condition of the "Church in China"...such as the lack of bibles, resources, the unity of the chinese church, revival etc. The reality of missions in China and the perception of missions in China truly are contradicting. Then again, China is a big place, and as someone once said "everything you heard about China is probably true somewhere in the country." I hope that helps clear things up a little. Hey Kenney,
Thanks for the comment. I think we are coming to different conclusions because we have different “assumptions”. 1) You are assuming there is a “big concern” with limited bibles and training resources. Living in China and working in house churches, I do no see this “big concern” for a lack of bibles and training resources. 2) Cults are growing because in many ways are more bold in their approach. 3) I agree that a part of the “revival in china” is because of the charismatic pastors and ministries, you assume this is a good thing, I don’t. I don’t believe charismatic doctrine is “sound doctrine” and thus uniting with them would hurt our purpose of “training in sound doctrine and pastoring”. 4) I am concerned with “women pastors” because I believe they are not pastors according to the Word of God. You assume they are. 5) You are assuming unity is more important than truth. I assume the opposite.

I agree there are a lot of people and ministries doing a great work in China. I even agree that that are many things (in reference to opinion) that we can overlook for the unity of the body and furtherance of the Gospel. At the same time, the line has to be drawn somewhere, otherwise we will be accepting and including many cults that have a “Christian appearance” to them.

I have noticed that many working in China misinform many in the USA about the true condition of the “Church in China”…such as the lack of bibles, resources, the unity of the chinese church, revival etc. The reality of missions in China and the perception of missions in China truly are contradicting. Then again, China is a big place, and as someone once said “everything you heard about China is probably true somewhere in the country.”

I hope that helps clear things up a little.

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]]> http://www.projectchina.org/blog/2012/02/01/china-bible-smuggling-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2313 Comment on China & Bible Smuggling (Part 3 of 3) by Kenny http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForProjectChinaNews/~3/DP8VLOSWmyc/ Kenny Thu, 17 May 2012 18:53:59 +0000 http://www.projectchina.org/blog/?p=9961#comment-2312 I agree that there's probably better ways to help china's christian church then to travel there to smuggle bibles dollar for dollar. There's a big concern with the limited bibles and training resources for Christians which has opened a big door for occults to come in such as the eastern lightning and others. As far as your concern for resources going through charismatic ministries, you lost me. A huge role of the revival in china is because of those charismatic pastors and ministries. I think what is most important is that chinese church is able to not only able to to have access to the word of God, but also training on sound doctrine And pastoring. One concern with the national church is that they can still control the teaching and theology similar to the English church back in the day. If you're that concerned with women pastors springing up in communist china, that's fine, I just don't share the same concern. I think the church should work with each other instead of fighting over what they don't agree on. Theres several ministries that are doing great work in china, and if you want to work one with the same s.o.f. As you, that's great. However that doesn't mean we should boycott other ministries. Just my opinion. I agree that there’s probably better ways to help china’s christian church then to travel there to smuggle bibles dollar for dollar. There’s a big concern with the limited bibles and training resources for Christians which has opened a big door for occults to come in such as the eastern lightning and others. As far as your concern for resources going through charismatic ministries, you lost me. A huge role of the revival in china is because of those charismatic pastors and ministries. I think what is most important is that chinese church is able to not only able to to have access to the word of God, but also training on sound doctrine And pastoring. One concern with the national church is that they can still control the teaching and theology similar to the English church back in the day. If you’re that concerned with women pastors springing up in communist china, that’s fine, I just don’t share the same concern. I think the church should work with each other instead of fighting over what they don’t agree on. Theres several ministries that are doing great work in china, and if you want to work one with the same s.o.f. As you, that’s great. However that doesn’t mean we should boycott other ministries. Just my opinion.

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]]> http://www.projectchina.org/blog/2012/02/01/china-bible-smuggling-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2312 Comment on An Amazing Journey: 声调 [shēngdiào] by Corli Hall http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForProjectChinaNews/~3/rO5ezDgfA3I/ Corli Hall Fri, 11 May 2012 14:03:59 +0000 http://www.projectchina.org/blog/?p=10388#comment-2307 I will certainly be praying for you Natasha! Thank you for your transparency! I respect that! I really think that through being transparent we help each other as missionary wives to understand what we are going through and help each other see what lesson and wisdom can be taken from these challenges. There's so much I can say about language learning but instead I'll tell you what I know I just needed to hear during that time: I'm not trying to minimize the importance of proper learning, I just know that a little bit of encouragement goes a long way: So Thank you for trying so hard. Thank you for keeping at it even though you have a thousand other things demanding your time and attention as a mom, wife and homemaker. Thank you for serving the Lord in the capacity in which you do. And even if you may never be perfect, I still commend your efforts to learn such a difficult language! Love Corli I will certainly be praying for you Natasha!
Thank you for your transparency! I respect that!
I really think that through being transparent we help each other as missionary wives to understand what we are going through and help each other see what lesson and wisdom can be taken from these challenges.
There’s so much I can say about language learning but instead I’ll tell you what I know I just needed to hear during that time: I’m not trying to minimize the importance of proper learning, I just know that a little bit of encouragement goes a long way: So Thank you for trying so hard. Thank you for keeping at it even though you have a thousand other things demanding your time and attention as a mom, wife and homemaker. Thank you for serving the Lord in the capacity in which you do. And even if you may never be perfect, I still commend your efforts to learn such a difficult language!

Love
Corli

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