<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:blogger='http://schemas.google.com/blogger/2008' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005" xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-668296420147267138</id><updated>2024-11-01T01:58:44.116-07:00</updated><category term="Michelle McKee"/><category term="Chloe Davis"/><category term="Death Penalty"/><category term="Interview"/><category term="Books"/><category term="Burl Barer"/><category term="Child Abuse"/><category term="Munchausen by Proxy"/><category term="Douglas Corleone"/><category term="Harry N. MacLean"/><category term="Jeffrey A. Cohen"/><category term="Joe McKinney"/><category term="Michael Tabman"/><category term="Michael Trent"/><title type='text'>Criminal Conduct</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default?alt=atom&amp;redirect=false'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>15</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-668296420147267138.post-7138135883689114596</id><published>2013-08-03T02:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2018-04-14T08:32:54.533-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Child Abuse"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Interview"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Michelle McKee"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Munchausen by Proxy"/><title type='text'>Interview: Mommy Makes Me Sick; Defining Munchausen by Proxy</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;Child abuse is heinous in all
of its forms. &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;One specific type of abuse that I find particularly interesting is Munchausen by Proxy, because my
mother was a perpetrator. Munchausen by
Proxy (MbP) is a form of abuse in which a caregiver, typically a mother,
deliberately makes another person, usually a child, sick. &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;A few years ago I went looking for support
services to help me deal with being a survivor of MbP and that is how I came to
meet Dr. Marc Feldman.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;What I learned from discussing the subject of MbP with Dr. Feldman was that there wasn&#39;t any support
services or even counseling groups for MbP survivors. An MbP perpetrator could find help, but victims were on their own. I came to the conclusion that if I was going to figure
out how to psychologically deal with what happened to me, I’d have to
understand what was wrong with my mother to begin with. Was she mentally ill or
was she making a choice. Did she know what she was doing; did she do it on
purpose? This was the impetus for the following interview conducted in May 2008. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;With a specialty in
Factitious Disorder, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.munchausen.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Dr. Marc Feldman&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is an international
expert in Munchausen syndrome, Munchausen by proxy, and malingering. He was
formerly Vice Chair for Clinical Services at the University of Alabama,
Birmingham (UAB), Medical Director of UAB’s Center for Psychiatric Medicine and
the Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Alabama (UA),
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.0pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;The term &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;factitious&lt;/i&gt;
brings the word “lie” or “liar” to mind and the word “disorder” makes me think
of something that is “pathological” or “habitual.” Therefore, Dr. Feldman, what
is Factitious Disorder and is this just a ten-dollar term for &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;pathological lying&lt;/i&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;Pathological
lying&quot; refers to lying consisting of a triad of features: it is
impulsive or compulsive; it is repetitive; and it typically is ultimately
self-defeating (e.g., the lie is exposed and undermines people&#39;s trust). It can
involve anything--not just illness. One variant that often co-exists with
full-blown Munchausen syndrome is called &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;pseudologiafantastica&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; or the telling of tall tales about one&#39;s personal history
that mix fact and fiction. Such lies--the ones that are &quot;a little&quot;
true--are the best kinds of lies because they are so difficult, generally, to
detect. Pseudologia fantastica can be seen among MbP perpetrators as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Factitious Disorder(FD)&lt;/a&gt; is the feigning, exaggerating, or self-inducing of physical or psychological
signs and symptoms to assume the &quot;sick role.&quot; External incentives are
absent, which contrasts with malingering, in which the principal goal for the
disease enactment is external, and often tangible. Examples of malingering
include obtaining opioids, evading criminal prosecution, getting disability
monies, avoiding military service, etc.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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FD is a mental disorder with its own chapter in DSM-IV-TR; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malingering&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;malingering&lt;/a&gt; is merely
listed in the Appendix as a condition that might warrant clinical attention but
is not established to be a mental disorder. If the only way to understand the
disease enactment is to invoke psychological processes, then the diagnosis is
FD. Technically, FD and malingering cannot co-exist, but in reality they very
often do because a person&#39;s motives for a piece of behavior can shift over
time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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differ from Factitious Disorder and Munchausen Syndrome?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.0pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochondria&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Hypochondriasis&lt;/a&gt; refers to
the preoccupation with having a dreaded disease. These patients are convinced
that they are genuinely ill but that doctors and others have failed to diagnose
it properly. Some people consider chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia to
be forms of hypochondriasis, but this is a bit controversial. Based on their
convictions of illness, hypochondriacal patients may seek medical opinions
repeatedly and from numerous practitioners. Hypochondriasis is one of the
somatoform disorders, along with diagnoses such as pain disorder, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatization_disorder&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;somatization disorder&lt;/a&gt;,
and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_disorder&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;conversiondisorder&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merck.com/mmpe/print/sec15/ch204/ch204e.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Munchausensyndrome&lt;/a&gt; is defined by the triad of 1) chronic and severe factitious
disorder, 2) pseudologia fantastica, and 3) wanderlust (traveling from place to
place to garner new audiences for the deceptions). The professional literature
is uniform in stating that Munchausen Syndrome patients are predominantly male,
but in my work, women have been more prevalent.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.munchausen.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Munchausen by proxy&lt;/a&gt; is the feigning,
exaggerating, or inducing of physical or psychological ailments in another
person, typically by a mother against her child. Men have only rarely been
implicated in Munchausen
by Proxy maltreatment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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a form of mental illness?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Munchausen by Proxy,
isn&#39;t really an &quot;illness,&quot; as I see it. It as a form of child abuse,
not something a perpetrator &quot;suffers from.&quot; In the same way that a
mother doesn&#39;t &quot;have&quot; shaken baby syndrome, a mother doesn&#39;t
&quot;have&quot; Munchausen by Proxy (MbP). However, the media almost always
get it wrong, as do child protection agencies and courts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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perspective is not an illness but child abuse. Therefore, I have to ask you, is
child abuse related to a mental illness or is it a behavior choice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Child abuse is a
behavioral choice, in my opinion, at least in MbP cases (an exception might be
a phenomenon such as postpartum psychosis resulting in abuse/death of the
child, because then the mother has lost contact with reality). These mothers
are not psychotic nor necessarily impulsive; often considerable planning is
necessary for them to carry out the deceptions. Some perps may claim that the
behavior occurred during psychogenic &quot;blackouts,&quot; but I&#39;m not aware
of any cases in which this was found to be true.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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makes another sick in order to garner attention for themselves. How do the
perpetrators of MbP differ from those caregivers who have been termed “Angels
of Death?” Don&#39;t both sets of perpetrators seek to garner attention for
themselves by inflicting extreme illness to another party?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Death and MbP perpetrators have so much in common in many cases that I equated
them in my co-edited 1996 book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Spectrum-Factitious-Disorders-Clinical-Practice/dp/088048909X&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;TheSpectrum of Factitious Disorders&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The relevant chapter analyzes
numerous Angel of Death cases, calling them &quot;hospital epidemics&quot; of MbP.
But some Angels of Death are &quot;merely&quot; homicidal and not particularly
attention-seeking, and in those cases, the MbP term wouldn&#39;t be appropriate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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perpetrators of MbP seek to harm their victims? Do they seek to cause the
eventual death of their victim or is the death of the victim counterproductive?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; There are some
cases--relatively few--in which the MbP perpetrator seems to delight in the
bereavement experience, enjoying funeral and burial rituals, etc. I think
that&#39;s how the &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9507E7DC1230F937A2575AC0A961958260&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Waneta Hoyt&lt;/a&gt; case in upstate New York can be conceptualized, and it may also be
true for the Marie
Noe case in Philadelphia. But generally, the death of the victim is
counterproductive because it removes the &quot;object&quot; they manipulate in MbP.
Overall, though, it has been estimated that 9-10 percent of MbP victims
eventually die, either as a direct result of the abuse or the iatrogenic
complications caused by misdirected treatment efforts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; How well informed is the
medical community on the signs and symptoms of MbP?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Overall, I think
the medical community is inadequately informed. The reason is that MbP is not
routinely taught in medical schools or residency programs. In a 1993 study I
did with Barbara Ostfeld, we found that child psychiatrists were quite
uniformly aware of the phenomenon, but that most family practitioners and
social workers--who, after all, are on the front lines in dealing with
families--were unaware even of the term &quot;MbP,&quot; let alone what it
takes to diagnose a case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;I am pretty sure that if I
decide that I want to have half a lung removed I can eventually find someone
who will be more than happy to come up with a diagnosis to support the
procedure and eagerly bill for it. Therefore, how culpable are the doctors who
are involved in these cases, they&#39;re trained professionals, how can they be so
easily duped?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Regarding the
apparent ease with which physicians can be duped: this isn&#39;t a surprise to me.
Physicians are taught nothing about medical deception in medical school or
residency. Even as a psychiatric trainee, I never even heard the word
&quot;factitious&quot;; it was only after I submitted my first article about a
patient who feigned cancer that I heard the term. In the article, I had called
it &quot;malingering,&quot; and the reviewers pointed out my mistake.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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During medical school, a supervisor got angry with me for writing statements
such as &quot;According to the patient, she has shortness of breath&quot; or
&quot;The patient states he has chest pain.&quot; He said that I was
demonstrating that I already doubted what I was being told by not stating it as
simple fact, and so I had to re-write the entry simply as &quot;She has
shortness of breath&quot; and &quot;He has chest pain.&quot; Also, doctors are
taught (correctly) that the best clue to what is going on with a patient is
what the patient and family have to say about it and that we must form an
&quot;alliance&quot; with both (particularly in psychiatry, but actually in all
fields). We are not taught ever to doubt what is being said. So, again, it
doesn&#39;t surprise me that doctors can not only be gullible but also wind up
being, as one author put it, &quot;professional participants&quot; in MbP
maltreatment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Is there a victim profile
for MbP, such as confined to a particular age group, gender, economic
background? What about the perpetrator, is there a profile for them?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.0pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; MbP perpetrators
tend to have personality disorders, especially borderline, antisocial,
histrionic, and narcissistic personality disorders--the so-called &quot;Cluster
B&quot; personality disorders, histories of psychiatric treatment earlier in
their lives, histories of substance abuse, and, often, personal histories of
factitious disorder that they now seem to want to extend to the next
generation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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They may have been abused themselves earlier in life, but this is hard to know
because the perpetrators often provide false historical information in a kind
of attempt to exonerate or explain away their behavior. Clearly, the problems
these mothers have allow them to objectify and dehumanize their children.
Occasionally, a perpetrator might have an underlying mental disorder such as
major depression or bipolar disorder that fuels their behavior to some extent,
and we tend to view those cases as more treatable because mood disorders are
quite treatable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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They tend to be in the age range associated with having small children. I think
that MbP, like abuse in general, is detected more often in lower socioeconomic
families, but I don&#39;t have research data to back that up. I rarely encounter
African-American perpetrators in MbP cases, and I&#39;m not sure what to make of
that.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Regarding victims, they are usually, but not always, pre-verbal or scantily
verbal and therefore can&#39;t communicate about what&#39;s going on. They seem not to
have bonded terribly well with the perpetrator, and there can be several reasons
for this. One is that, as in abuse in general, there may be something about the
child (in the eyes of the mother) that makes him/her &quot;imperfect&quot; and
dissatisfying.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Only one study of adult survivors of MbP has, to my knowledge, been published.
As you would expect, many of the patients (I think there were 12 in the study)
had symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. Some avoided even medically
necessary care because of their unpleasant memories, but a few became
factitious disorder patients themselves, as if to &quot;master&quot; the trauma
by making it their own.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; How common is MbP?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.0pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; It has been
estimated by one researcher that there are around 1,200 new cases each year in
the U.S., but that statistic makes a lot of assumptions that might not all be
true. MbP is a form of abuse/neglect that is bathed in secrecy and I have the
feeling that most--yes, most--cases are never identified.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; What needs to be done to
better understand, identify, and treat MbP perpetrators?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; It has been very
difficult to study MbP perpetrators because most deny their culpability even
when faced with incontrovertible evidence, and therefore aren&#39;t amenable to
research interviews.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It might help if there were a central database of MbP cases that accredited
researchers could access in order to study perpetrators and victims more
thoroughly. The victims tend not to be available because the focus is on
placement once MbP is identified, and so once again study is stymied.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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The broader problem, though, is that many jurisdictions still aren&#39;t even aware
of MbP as a form of child maltreatment, and obviously one can&#39;t diagnose
something one has never heard of. So, cases slip through the fingers of anyone
who might try to study the phenomenon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; What percentage of the
population is affected, or believed to be affected, by MbP as victims and as
perpetrators?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; We have no
information to answer this question. Again, it would be very helpful if there
were a central repository of MbP data, but it doesn&#39;t exist.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Very little formal research into MbP has ever been performed and government and
private foundations in the U.S. have never contributed a dime in grant monies
for these issues.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Are children the only
victims of MbP? What about the same type of behavior by a caregiver against,
for example, an elderly individual or someone who is already disabled, would
that also be classified as MbP?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.0pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Yes, these would
also count as MbP cases. We use terms such as &quot;Munchausen by Adult
Proxy&quot; to label such behavior, which can have the very same motives as
when a child is the victim. We should be aware too, that MbP can be perpetrated
against pets in order for the perpetrator to receive attention and sympathy,
care and concern, from the vet and/or others.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;MM:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; What should someone do if
they suspect abuse through Munchausen by Proxy?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.0pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;Dr. Feldman:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; First, they need
education about what MbP is and is not. They can quickly get this kind of
information from the MbP chapters in my book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Sick-Untangling-Munchausen-Malingering/dp/0415949343&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;calibri&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;PlayingSick&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Then, they need to match the facts of the given case to
the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume2/j2_2_4.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;knownfeatures and warning signs of MbP&lt;/a&gt;. Once they have this kind of information,
they will be equipped to make a sound, organized report to their county child
protection agencies. They need to cooperate with the authorities and remain
available to assist, if possible. Of course, mandated reporters, such as
physicians, must make the MbP report at the time they become suspicious that it
is occurring, even in the absence of confirmation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhKkFPL0a2Ma3ElzTm0KHYE68G7XETnhc9VGQsAmtMmzCIEAgVa35co4fYr_nZ_lQrXc-mZueaTdEmT5g7SIKndpqBJE-bYpulMqXgPF-hMSBclYAEb_UBzN0LumD1w9K8ll-g84ab_yasj/s1600/One_Man&#39;s_Paradise+(2).jpg&quot; imageanchor=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;320&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhKkFPL0a2Ma3ElzTm0KHYE68G7XETnhc9VGQsAmtMmzCIEAgVa35co4fYr_nZ_lQrXc-mZueaTdEmT5g7SIKndpqBJE-bYpulMqXgPF-hMSBclYAEb_UBzN0LumD1w9K8ll-g84ab_yasj/s320/One_Man&#39;s_Paradise+(2).jpg&quot; width=&quot;209&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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By &lt;a href=&quot;http://douglascorleone.com/bio&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Douglas Corleone&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12.0pt;&quot;&gt;A major theme in my novel &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Mans-Paradise-Kevin-Corvelli-ebook/dp/B003EP9EY6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1375155499&amp;amp;sr=8-1&amp;amp;keywords=one+man%27s+paradise&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;One Man’s Paradise&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; is how the media affects
the American system of justice. Is it possible for a defendant to get a fair
trial when every aspect of the case is discussed ad nauseam prior to the trial
on the three major national cable news channels? It seems that in the age of
round-the-clock news, voyeur journalism, and odious overbearing pundits, the
freedom of the press has wholly usurped the right to due process.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Take the Casey Anthony case for example. If you followed this case at all
during CNN’s prime time line-up, chances are you made a decision on Casey
Anthony’s guilt or innocence prior to her trial. And chances are that decision was
been based largely on the slanted views of former prosecutors who now hold
themselves out as investigative journalists. Worse yet, you most likely
formulated your opinion based on evidence that may not have been admissible at
trial.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In a nation where jurors regularly cash in on colossal press cases through book
deals and the like, is it possible that a fan of Nancy Grace may find her way
onto the jury of a highly publicized crime? You bet. Potential jurors lie all
the time to get out of jury duty. But what about those potential jurors that
lie in order to make their way into the box?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It’s a frightening notion that defendants might be judged on evidence
inadmissible in court. Because it means that information and physical evidence
obtained by law enforcement through improper means may not be useless after
all. Even if such evidence is excluded by the trial judge, it is certainly fair
game in the court of public opinion. This has set a dangerous precedent.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And how are such cases selected by the national news media? Clearly producers
and pundits select their cases on the totality of the circumstances. First, it
seems, they look at the victim. Preferably female, preferably Caucasian,
preferably well-educated (or currently studying), preferably young, and
preferably attractive, particularly in the face. Then the networks consider the
defendant. The case is a keeper if the defendant has a lot to lose. Again, it’s
preferred that the perpetrator be Caucasian, that he or she have some
connection to the victim, and that he or she look totally out of place shackled
in an orange jumpsuit while walking through the courtroom.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Setting is also important. A tropical island, such as the one in &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://douglascorleone.com/one-mans-paradise/&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;One
Man’s Paradise&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, is ideal. But really any affluent neighborhood
or popular vacation destination will do. Cruise ship murders work well, too.
Especially, if searchers are unsuccessful at finding the body.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Of course, I’m not defending criminals. That was my profession for several
years as an attorney in New York City, and I’m glad to say I’m done with it.
But the way the media handle certain cases is an issue that needs to be
addressed and soon. It’s bad enough when these media vultures swoop down and exploit
victims’ families for ratings. It’s worse when they convict defendants based on
hearsay and tainted evidence months, or even years, before the actual trial.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


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in the Hawaiian Islands where he writes contemporary crime fiction. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;His first international thriller &lt;a href=&quot;http://douglascorleone.com/good-as-gone/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Good as Gone&quot;&gt;Good As Gone&lt;/a&gt; will be released on August 20, 2013&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12.0pt;&quot;&gt;. You can find out more about this author and his books by
visiting &lt;a href=&quot;http://douglascorleone.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;his website&lt;/a&gt;,
following him on &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/douglascorleone&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;
or joining him on &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.facebook.com/doug.corleone1&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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By &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.law.upenn.edu/alumni/alumnijournal/Fall2011/feature2/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jeffrey A. Cohen&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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all know the icon I mean.&amp;nbsp; We see him in
literature, in film, in popular culture, in the news.&amp;nbsp; He’s the poet-murderer, the societal rebel,
the killer as greater soul.&amp;nbsp; The killer
in social protest.&amp;nbsp; He’s Mailer’s
“hipster,” that existential hero and “true” individual, who expresses himself
through violence, and gives us his reasons from prison.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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ago while in law school, I became fascinated with the phenomenon of the
jailhouse literary sensation, and particularly, Jack Henry Abbott. He was the
convicted murderer who became a cultural icon and literary shooting star when
his book of letters to Norman Mailer, &lt;i&gt;In
the Belly of the Beast,&lt;/i&gt; was published in 1981.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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irony of the Abbott case is that this evil man’s letters, irrationally
justifying his lifetime of violent crime, resulted in public sympathy, literary
acclaim, and even his parole (with Mailer’s assistance).&amp;nbsp; Another irony, a tragic one, is that within
six weeks of his release Abbott killed again, the night before a laudatory
review of his book would appear in the New York Times.&amp;nbsp; And a final irony—the most perverse of all—is
that the man he stabbed in the heart, Richard Adan, 22, a night-shift waiter
who refused him the use of an employees-only restroom, was by day pursuing his
dream of becoming a writer himself.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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tend to invest our violent criminals with special qualities—they’re poets (like
Abbott), they’re rebels (like Gary Gilmore), they have greater souls, or they
bravely act in the face of society’s most sacred rules—our antiheros.&amp;nbsp; Only, in truth, they are almost never heroes
of any sort, and kill because they are less not more.&amp;nbsp; The jailhouse literary sensation and our
other celebrity killers, bask in the limelight of a little life turned big
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;This
is the spark behind The &lt;i&gt;Killing of Mindi
Quintana&lt;/i&gt;. In my novel, Freddy Builder kills Mindi Quintana and is writing
the book about their relationship everybody wants.&amp;nbsp; It’s a lying rewrite of Mindi’s life and his
own, and of his miserably thin involvement with her.&amp;nbsp; Freddy is a department store clerk with
dreams he’s done little to further.&amp;nbsp; Now,
as he awaits trial, excerpts of his book appear to acclaim, and interest grows
in the case.&amp;nbsp; His own lawyer, Philip,
watches with disgust as Freddy builds his acclaim from the bones of his
victim.&amp;nbsp; And as a new celebrity killer
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into high gear, he would know what to do: He would be witty for reporters,
pensive when appropriate, insightful always, and clever sometimes. When people
cared what he thought, he would think great things. When they came to &lt;/i&gt;him&lt;i&gt;,
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would know what to say.&amp;nbsp; When there was
no question of his stature, they would admire his work.&amp;nbsp; All he needed was an occasion to rise to.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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“occasion” is murder and my novel asks if Freddy is right. It asks if our iconic criminals are as often depicted in
literature and the press, or if they are undeserving of attributions of special
character, talent, or existential heroism.&amp;nbsp;
&lt;i&gt;The Killing of Mindi Quintana &lt;/i&gt;is
about celebrity through murder and the fascination we have with our violent
criminals.&amp;nbsp; And it delivers the blow we
all wish for when we think of O.J. Simpson, Gary Gilmore, Jack Henry Abbott—the
alleged killer with a book, or who gains fame through the backdoor of murder.&amp;nbsp;
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was inspired to write my novel &lt;i&gt;The
Killing of Mindi Quintana &lt;/i&gt;by several aspects of the Jack Henry Abbott case:
the dubious attribution of exceptional talent to his writing in &lt;i&gt;In the Belly of the Beast&lt;/i&gt;; the public’s
fascination with him for having killed; and the cruel irony of his killing
Richard Adan—an aspiring writer who worked in obscurity to achieve what his
killer was awarded for a lifetime of crime. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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think of what Abbott accomplished as “fame and acclaim through the backdoor of
murder.”&amp;nbsp; He was a pre-packaged jailhouse
literary sensation, his letters to Norman Mailer on prison life chopped into
pieces for &lt;i&gt;Belly&lt;/i&gt;, edited, organized
under subject headings, and graced with a forward by Mailer himself.&amp;nbsp; I am always struck in reading his letters by
Abbott’s ethos of violence, his monumental narcissism, and the disjointed
philosophy he constructed from his prodigious reading to justify his lifetime
of violence.&amp;nbsp; (When I think of &lt;i&gt;Belly&lt;/i&gt;, I think of the Unabomber’s
manifesto—where would &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; be in our
pantheon of criminal icons had he had a Mailer as his champion?)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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self-acquittal in &lt;i&gt;Belly &lt;/i&gt;is internally
inconsistent, irrational at times, remorseless, and in many places lacks
credibility—it is unpersuasive.&amp;nbsp; To read
his letters is to know he should not have been paroled.&amp;nbsp; But I am concerned, too, with something else:
I am concerned about a public and literati eager to call him a genius for too
little, a cultural tendency I explore in &lt;i&gt;The
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am not unmindful of the high quality of Abbott’s writing here and there, which
it would be dishonest to ignore.&amp;nbsp; But his
logic, his ideas and credulity are all doubtful, and his ability to do anything
more than rant eloquently in short bursts is not apparent.&amp;nbsp; All of this argues against his merit as a
writer; and I am suspicious of both what was left on the cutting room floor,
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was in the late ‘70’s, while Mailer was working on &lt;i&gt;The Executioner’s Song&lt;/i&gt; about Gary Gilmore, that Jack Henry Abbott
first wrote him offering a primer on prison life through his letters. Gilmore,
the first man to be executed in the United States after a ten-year hiatus,
famously abandoned his right to appeal in favor of an expeditious
execution.&amp;nbsp; Like Abbott, Gilmore was a
state-raised convict who had spent mere months outside prison as an adult
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&lt;i&gt;Belly&lt;/i&gt; does Abbott, &lt;i&gt;The Executioner’s Song&lt;/i&gt; lionizes Gilmore
through Gilmore’s letters from prison, carefully selected and edited. Mailer
writes of that editing,&amp;nbsp; “…[I]t seemed
fair to show [Gilmore] at a level higher than his average…. Besides he wrote
well at times.” (&lt;i&gt;Song&lt;/i&gt; at pg.
1052)&amp;nbsp; Fair to whom?&amp;nbsp; The reader looking for an accurate depiction
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brings to bear far more material than merely Gilmore’s letters to portray him
as a poetic soul, a talented artist, a lover, good writer, and thinker.
Mailer’s Gilmore is an existential hero, defying society by breaking its laws,
and by killing, loving, and then dying on his own terms.&lt;i&gt; Song&lt;/i&gt; also chronicles a moving prison love story between Gilmore
and Nicole, his girlfriend of all of two months before his arrest for two
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love story before prison was more prosaic: Nicole had grown bored of Gilmore
and abandoned him.&amp;nbsp; Their breakup, in
fact, occasioned the murders.&amp;nbsp; On
successive nights, distraught over Nicole, Gilmore killed a gas station
attendant and then a motel manager.&amp;nbsp; He
had each lie facedown on the floor in his place of business, had each tuck his
arms underneath his body, and shot each twice in the back of the head.&amp;nbsp; With Gilmore’s arrest, Nicole’s love is
rekindled. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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letters, like Abbott’s, showcase an extreme narcissism and a remorselessly
violent credo. In a number of his letters, Gilmore asks Nicole to commit
suicide so that no other man will ever have her.&amp;nbsp; She tries and fails to kill herself.&amp;nbsp; He tries, not so hard, and fails, too.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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wind in the hair of these killers is supplied off camera by those creating the
narrative we hanker for.&amp;nbsp; My job, as I
saw it, in &lt;i&gt;The Killing of Mindi Quintana&lt;/i&gt;,
was to skewer the icon, to show the ersatz killer-poet for true.&amp;nbsp; We don’t all kill because we’re poets, it
turns out; some of us kill because we’re not poets—then pretend to be when
others see one in us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;In
&lt;i&gt;The Killing of Mindi Quintana&lt;/i&gt;, a
department store clerk turned jailhouse literary sensation, builds his acclaim
with his victim’s bones, as he writes his book.&amp;nbsp;
His defense attorney watches with disgust until he can watch no more.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;I
hope with my novel to steal the back the wind from the hair of a false rebel,
and to deliver a comeuppance to the killer with a book.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Although District Attorney Carol Chambers will undertake an apparently thorough and deliberate process in deciding whether to seek the death penalty in the trial of James Holmes, the end result is a foregone conclusion. The law, her inclination, and the politics of the situation leave her no choice. &lt;/div&gt;
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The law in this case is pretty clear. In Colorado you only need one of seventeen aggravating factors to qualify a defendant for the death penalty. The most clearly applicable “aggravator” here is that the defendant “intentionally killed more than one person in one criminal episode.” &lt;/div&gt;
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The politics are almost as clear. District Attorney Carol Chambers will be out of office at the end of the year. The conventional wisdom is that the decision on the death penalty will be made in the next two months, no later than Thanksgiving, well before the end of her term. Chambers is a controversial DA who had gotten in trouble with the bar and the judges in her judicial district. She has not, however, hesitated to seek the death penalty in cases of much less magnitude than this one. (Nor has she always succeeded). &lt;/div&gt;
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Typically, the prosecutors sit down and review the evidence, look for “aggravators” and “mitigators,” and talk with the families of the victims. They ask themselves whether, given the venue and the crime, they have a realistic chance of getting death if they seek it. The families can present problems; difficulties arise when they split on the question, and here one victim who survived has already said he forgives Holmes and doesn’t want him to be executed. The victims of those killed might well have different views. &lt;/div&gt;
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One must wonder if the prosecutors have a real chance of convincing a jury to put Holmes to death.&amp;nbsp; There are three persons on death row in Colorado, and only one inmate, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Lee_Davis&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Gary Davis&lt;/a&gt;, has been executed since the reinstitution of the death penalty in 1976. &lt;a href=&quot;http://component.geolearning.com/courses/smb2_46_lms/caliber/vathtml/vspoverview/Rebecca%20Oakes%20testimonial.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;st&quot;&gt;Nathan &lt;/span&gt;Dunlap&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://murderpedia.org/male.D/d/dunlap-nathan.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Chucky Cheese murderer&lt;/a&gt;, had been on the row for twenty years. But don’t forget that Denver jurors sentenced McVeigh to death for &lt;a href=&quot;http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2012/05/former-fbi-agent-talks-about-oklahoma.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;the Oklahoma bombing murders&lt;/a&gt;. You could argue that Holmes’ crime was more cruel and heinous because the victims could see what was coming before they died. Arapahoe County, where this case will be tried unless venue is changed, is much more conservative than Denver. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;
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If Chambers does not seek the death penalty for Holmes, she would have to explain why, and in that process would most likely have to lay out the weaknesses of her case, for the defense and the world to see. And while it’s early, so far we’ve seen no evidence of any “mitigators,” such as physical or sexual child abuse suffered by Holmes. &lt;/div&gt;
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Chambers will issue a press release to announce her decision to seek the death penalty for Holmes. I could draft it for her now. &lt;/div&gt;
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A final note: Holmes’ eventual fate could turn on the vote of one Democratic state senator.&amp;nbsp; In 2009, when the Democrats controlled the governor’s office and both houses, a bill to repeal the death penalty passed the House and came within one vote of passing in the Senate. (Whether Gov. Ritter, a Democrat and former Denver DA, would have signed it is another question). &lt;/div&gt;
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It’s interesting to think of the fate of such a bill were it to be introduced in the legislature, or put to popular vote, today in Colorado.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;This post was contributed by &lt;b&gt;Harry N. MacLean&lt;/b&gt;, former First Assistant Attorney General for the Colorado Department of Law. He is an Edgar Award winner and New York Times best selling author. You can find out more about this author and his books by visiting&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harrymaclean.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;his website&lt;/a&gt;, following him on &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/HarryNMacLean&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt; or joining him on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/HarryNMacLean&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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By &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.michaeltabman.com/index.html&quot;&gt;Michael Tabman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Another mass shooting.&amp;nbsp; Another day of agony for our country. &amp;nbsp;A
time for us to question, debate and jump to conclusions.&amp;nbsp; And ultimately,
another lost opportunity to learn lessons from a tragedy that will get
overshadowed by more recent news and shocking events. &amp;nbsp;Except of course,
for those who suffered through the unimaginable; they will never forget.
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In March 2005, I was the FBI Special Agent in Charge of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lake_massacre&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;mass shooting at Red Lake High School&lt;/a&gt;,
leaving 10 people dead.&amp;nbsp; After my news conference, I was contacted by
people from all over the world.&amp;nbsp; For a few weeks, the event, its aftermath
and the ensuing investigation were headline news.&amp;nbsp; Six months later, Red Lake
had disappeared from our collective memory. Our memories are short.&lt;/div&gt;
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The same questions tend to arise after a mass shooting: Isn’t there a
profile of these shooters?&amp;nbsp; Aren’t there red flags?&amp;nbsp; Usually, the
answer is yes.&amp;nbsp; There is a basic profile of mass shooters.&amp;nbsp; Certain
life events and changing patterns of behavior often unfold prior to the
shooting.&amp;nbsp; These are not hard and fast rules, but generalities that are
frequently present.&lt;/div&gt;
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Reports from family and friends of the alleged shooter James Holmes describe
him as shy, but otherwise unremarkable – not the kind of person you are
concerned about “going off the edge.”&amp;nbsp; Yet, some neighbors have described
him as a loner – a clear inference to someone who is odd and socially
inadequate.&amp;nbsp; Had this horrific event not occurred, would they still
describe him that way, or is this just the effect of the commonly held shooter
profile?&lt;/div&gt;
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When the recent life of the shooter is examined, as is already happening, we
often find stressors and triggers.&amp;nbsp; These are the negative events which
make one’s life unhappy and possibly unbearable.&amp;nbsp; These stressors can be
real or imagined.&amp;nbsp; The triggers are the events that bring the shooter to
the point of committing mass murder.&lt;/div&gt;
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Holmes recently dropped out of his Ph. D. program, according to news
reports.&amp;nbsp; That could have been one red flag.&amp;nbsp; By itself, it would not
signal impending violence.&amp;nbsp; Were there other signs?&amp;nbsp; His mother was
reported as saying, “You have the right person.”&amp;nbsp; If a mother can readily
accept that about her son, then there must have been other warning signs.&amp;nbsp;
These warning signs will be uncovered.&amp;nbsp; His accumulation of weapons and
ammunition should have been red flags.&amp;nbsp; Did anyone else know about
this?&amp;nbsp; As of now, the police are confident he acted alone.&amp;nbsp; That does
not mean someone did not know something.&lt;/div&gt;
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Mass shootings usually occur at school or the workplace as the shooter is
seeking revenge against specific people or a group of people he sees as the
source of his misery.&amp;nbsp; School and the workplace are usually where these
stressors are most intense.&amp;nbsp; So, why the movie theater?&amp;nbsp; Yes, he
referred to himself as “The Joker.”&amp;nbsp; Did he have some fascination with Batman,
or did he seek a venue for inflicting maximum damage?&lt;/div&gt;
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These events often end in suicide by the shooter’s own hand or by forcing
the police to shoot him – suicide by cop.&amp;nbsp; That did not happen; he readily
surrendered.&amp;nbsp; Why?&lt;/div&gt;
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I suspect that he knew his life and story would be in the headlines for the
next few weeks; he wanted to see his story told.&amp;nbsp; As always, I must point
out that Holmes is the alleged shooter; his guilt has not been determined.&lt;/div&gt;
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Why do we tell the story of the shooter?&amp;nbsp; We justify that by saying we
need to understand; we need to recognize the warning signs; we need to discuss
mental health issues and intervention and we need to re-visit the gun
laws.&amp;nbsp; These would be important conversations if we actually accomplished
anything.&amp;nbsp; But we don’t.&lt;/div&gt;
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Holmes is not cooperating with law enforcement at this point. &amp;nbsp;I think
eventually he will.&amp;nbsp; That will be the only way to bring his name back in
to the spotlight after our attention turns to the next tragedy.&lt;/div&gt;
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Maybe we should not give any coverage to the life and times of mass
murderers.&amp;nbsp; Do we really need to provide them with any more motivation
than they create for themselves?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;&quot;&gt;By &lt;a href=&quot;http://joemckinney.wordpress.com/about-joe-mckinney/&quot;&gt;Joe
McKinney&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Talking to people who don’t want
to talk to you is hard.&amp;nbsp; And it’s a skill that most cops have to learn on
the job.&amp;nbsp; We get extensive training with our guns.&amp;nbsp; We’re taught how
to drive our patrol cars under just about every condition imaginable.&amp;nbsp; We
even get put in computer simulators that gauge our ability to diffuse domestic
disturbances.&amp;nbsp; And yet, for all that, very little attention is given to
the cop’s most basic tool – the ability to talk to people.&lt;/div&gt;
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Well, my
guest has made it his mission in life to change all that.&amp;nbsp; Mark McClish, a
former Deputy US Marshal with 26 years of law enforcement experience, is an
expert in interviewing people and detecting deception.&amp;nbsp; While an
instructor at the US Marshals Service Training
 Academy, Mark McClish set
out to learn all he could of the fine art of interviewing people.&amp;nbsp; His
research led him to develop the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statementanalysis.com/research/&quot;&gt;technique of Statement Analysis&lt;/a&gt;,
which he uses to catch liars with a regularity that is almost uncanny.&lt;/div&gt;
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Author of
the textbook, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967999820/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;creativeASIN=0967999820&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;tag=crimicondu-20&quot;&gt;I
Know You Are Lying&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, and a frequent seminar instructor and lecturer,
Mark McClish has assisted law enforcement agencies across the country in hundreds
of cases.&amp;nbsp; And, he has graciously agreed to share a little of his wisdom
with us.&lt;/div&gt;
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So, Loyal
Readers, meet &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statementanalysis.com/bio/&quot;&gt;Mark McClish&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Joe McKinney:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
Mark, welcome.&amp;nbsp; There are a lot of true crime readers out there eager to
hear about what you do.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Mark McClish:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/b&gt;Joe, thank you for providing me this opportunity to address your readers.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;JM:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
Now, you’ve been a Deputy U.S. Marshal, a law enforcement instructor, and with
the publication of your book, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967999820/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;creativeASIN=0967999820&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;tag=crimicondu-20&quot;&gt;I
Know You Are Lying&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, an author.&amp;nbsp; I want to get to those points here
in a bit, but first, would you give us a rundown of what Statement Analysis
is?&amp;nbsp; How is what you do different from that “gut feeling” most of us get
when we know we’re being lied to?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;MM:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/b&gt;Statement Analysis is the process of examining a person’s words in a verbal
or written statement to see if the person is being truthful or deceptive. The
Statement Analysis techniques will also help you see additional information
within the statement. The majority of the techniques are based on word
definitions. For example, when President Clinton talked about testifying under
oath at a deposition, he stated, “I was bound to be truthful and I tried to
be.” In his statement, he is telling us that he was not completely truthful.
The word &lt;i&gt;tried&lt;/i&gt; means he attempted but failed to tell the truth. &lt;/div&gt;
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Some of
the techniques are based on the rules of grammar. When we first talk about a
person or an item in a story, we use the articles &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;an.&lt;/i&gt; Once
the introduction has been made, we use the article &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt;. For example, “I
was walking along Highway 11 when I found &lt;u&gt;a&lt;/u&gt; gun. I picked up &lt;u&gt;the&lt;/u&gt;
gun and gave it to the police.” The subject first identifies the firearm as “a
gun.” Once the introduction is made, he then correctly refers to it as “the
gun.” When a person introduces someone or something using the article &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt;
we have a problem; “A man grabbed me and forced me into the car.” The subject
correctly identifies the attacker as “a man.” The problem is that the subject
introduced the vehicle as “the car” and not “a car.” This indicates the person
may be making up the story or the person recognized the car and was a willing
participant.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;
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A few of
the techniques are based on observations that interviewers have made over the
years. For example, it has been found that when a person invokes the name of
God there is a good chance he is being deceptive; “I swear to God” or “Honest
to God” or “God as my witness.” &lt;/div&gt;
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Since the
majority of the techniques are based on word definitions and the rules of
grammar, the techniques are very accurate. While your gut feeling may tell you
someone is lying, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statementanalysis.com/research/&quot;&gt;Statement
Analysis will show you he is lying&lt;/a&gt;. There was a case in which a husband and
wife were driving to breakfast. The husband pulled off the road to go to the
bathroom in the bushes. When he exited the car he forgot to put it in park and
the car rolled forward over a cliff killing his wife. He claimed it was an
accident. The police believed he sent the car over the cliff on purpose. In his
statement to the police, the man began his account by saying, “On July 2, I was
with my wife Sharon and we were going to breakfast.” In the first sentence of
his statement, he unknowingly tells us there was a problem with their
relationship. In talking about his wife, the subject used the word &lt;i&gt;with&lt;/i&gt;
which always indicates distance. He could have said, “Sharon and I were going
to breakfast.” The word &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; connects the two of them together. In the
statement “I was with my wife,” we have &lt;i&gt;I &lt;/i&gt;at one end of the sentence and
&lt;i&gt;wife&lt;/i&gt; at the other end of the sentence. This separation indicates there
was some discontent. After analyzing the rest of his statement, it was quite
clear he purposely sent his car over the cliff. &lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;JM:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
Your website, &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20100409062407/http:/www.statementanalysis.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.statementanalysis.com&lt;/a&gt;,
lists numerous examples of famous cases where statement analysis successfully
identified deception.&amp;nbsp; Your book, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;I
Know You Are Lying&lt;/i&gt;, looks at eight more high profile case studies.&amp;nbsp;
How do you normally get involved in a case?&amp;nbsp; Are you on standby with
certain agencies?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;MM:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/b&gt;If there is a high profile case that I am able to obtain transcripts of an
interview with the subject, I will analyze the transcripts and post my analysis
on my website for the benefit of those visiting my site. I only get involved in
a case if an investigator asks me to analyze a statement. Officers send me
statements all the time involving cases that do not get national attention. I
recently analyzed a note that was left in a store. The writer claimed she had
been kidnapped and was leaving notes in an effort to get help. After analyzing
the note, I determined it was a fake. The police never found a kidnapper or a
victim.&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;JM:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
Most cops I know talk about training in terms of adding another tool to their
tool belt.&amp;nbsp; I know you teach seminars on a regular basis.&amp;nbsp; After
taking such a seminar, what kind of tool would an investigator have?&amp;nbsp; Would
he be able to dissect a subject’s statement himself, or would he simply be
equipped with enough knowledge to know he needs to consult an expert?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/b&gt;After attending one of my seminars or taking my online training, an officer
will be a much better listener and have the ability to detect deception. This
helps in obtaining additional information, eliminating suspects and getting a
confession. Like with most skills, the more you practice the Statement Analysis
techniques the better you will become at detecting deception.&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Are your seminars for law enforcement agents only, or are they open to other
professionals as well, such as lawyers, insurance adjustors, or true crime
writers?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/b&gt;My seminars are open to anyone. The majority of the attendees are law
enforcement personnel. However, other professionals such as social workers and
attorneys do attend. I don’t think I have ever had a true crime writer attend
but they are most welcome!&lt;/div&gt;
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I know from personal experience that most investigators start off their careers
as generalists and gradually, over a period of many years, develop a
specialty.&amp;nbsp; How did your career path lead you into statement analysis?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;MM:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/b&gt;After becoming a Deputy U.S. Marshal in 1985, I set a goal for myself of
teaching at our Training
 Academy. In 1990, I was
promoted to an inspector/instructor at the Marshals
Service Academy
which is located at the Federal Law Enforcement
Training Center
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When I got
to the Academy I asked if I could teach interviewing techniques. I had
conducted a lot of interviews when I was in the field and it was an area that I
was interested in. In preparing to teach our recruits, I was sent to several
classes on detecting deception such as word analysis, response analysis and
Scientific Content Analysis. I found the techniques to be very interesting. I
then spent the next nine years teaching at the Academy and conducting my own
research on the words that people use. After analyzing hundreds of statements,
I developed my own &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statementanalysis.com/research/&quot;&gt;system
for detecting deception which I call Statement Analysis&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;JM:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
When an officer does field sobriety tests on a DWI suspect, each test is
designed to reveal indicators, or clues, that the subject is intoxicated.&amp;nbsp;
A certain number of clues on each test are sufficient to establish probable
cause that the suspect is intoxicated.&amp;nbsp; Does statement analysis follow a
similar process?&amp;nbsp; When you analyze someone’s statement, are you looking
for a sufficient number of indicators to show the overall statement is deceptive,
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&lt;/b&gt;When I analyze a statement I am looking to see what the person is saying.
When people tell a lie, they generally do not lie about everything. There will
be some truth in their statement. I focus on the areas where deception is
present. By asking additional questions, I hope to clarify that portion of the
statement, obtain additional information or perhaps get a confession. Ideally
you want several indicators to conclude the person is being deceptive. Just
because a person says one time, “I swear to God” does not mean he is lying.
However, sometimes one word (usually a pronoun) can show us the person
committed the crime.&lt;/div&gt;
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The results of a lie detector instrument are not generally admissible in
court.&amp;nbsp; Why is statement analysis different?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/b&gt;Statement Analysis is different because it is based on the person’s
language. When I analyze a statement I do not interpret but I point out what
the person has said. If a rape victim states, “We went into the house and he
raped me” we have a problem. The pronoun &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; always indicates there was a
partnership. The victim should not be partnering up with her attacker. A true
victim would state something like, “He forced me into the house and raped me.”&lt;/div&gt;
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On the
other hand, Statement Analysis is similar to a lie detector in that it is
generally not used in court. You do not need an expert to testify that the word
&lt;i&gt;tried&lt;/i&gt; means the person has not done it, or that the phrase &lt;i&gt;my victim&lt;/i&gt;
is a confession because the pronoun &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; means the person has taken
possession of the victim. Some areas of Statement Analysis would not be
admissible in court because they are based on observations. This would include
words or phrases that indicate deception such as “I swear on my mother’s
grave.”&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;JM:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
As an investigator, I’ve had to interview every one from college professors to
illiterate crack junkies so burned out they can barely mumble their
names.&amp;nbsp; Are the techniques of statement analysis adaptable across a broad
socio-educational range, or do they necessitate a certain minimum standard of
communication?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;MM:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/b&gt;People’s words will betray them. Therefore, the techniques will work with
anyone who has the ability to communicate. However, if the person has poor
grammar skills then some of the techniques may be difficult to use. For
example, the person may use present tense verbs instead of past tense verbs not
because he is being deceptive but because he does not know how to speak proper
English. We have to take this into consideration when analyzing a statement.
Other techniques will still work no matter what their educational level or
background is.&lt;/div&gt;
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I know that word order and certain phrases can be indicators of
deception.&amp;nbsp; How do issues like regional dialects and suspects who speak
English as a second language change the statement analyst’s approach to an
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&lt;/b&gt;The approach in obtaining information should be the same. However, when
analyzing the statement we have to consider regional dialects or if English is
not the subject’s first language. The person may use a phrase that is
unfamiliar to the interviewer. The interviewer will then need to ask additional
questions to clarify what the person said. If English is the subject’s second
language, this may cause him to use the wrong pronouns. An interviewer needs to
recognize this and look for other signs of deception or truthfulness.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;JM:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
Cops, as a general rule, don’t embrace change willingly.&amp;nbsp; Even changes
creating an obvious benefit sometimes meet with resistance.&amp;nbsp; How receptive
has the law enforcement community been to the field of statement
analysis?&amp;nbsp; If there is resistance, how do you address it in your teaching?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/b&gt;Most officers embrace the techniques because they can relate to them.
Officers often tell me they have heard many of the things that I teach but
never associated it with deception. Their gut feeling told them the person was
lying but they could not identify the deception in the person’s
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Probably
the hardest thing for officers to accept is my theory that you should believe
what people tell you. This is because most people do not lie. Instead they will
give you a bunch of truthful statements and leave out the incriminating stuff.
If you are looking for the lies, you are probably wasting your time. If you
believe what people tell you, you will get a lot more out of their statement.
This is because you will now be very discerning and will pay attention to
everything the person says.&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;JM:&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;
Our discussion so far has dealt strictly with the law enforcement applications
of statement analysis, but I imagine it could be applied to other fields as
well, like business negotiations, or even in political campaigns, couldn’t it?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;MM:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/b&gt;Absolutely. Anyone who conducts interviews can benefit from the techniques.
If you are interviewing applicants for a job, you want to hire a truthful
person. Politicians are always carefully wording their statements. In 2006, Al
Gore was asked if he was going to run for President. He replied, “I don’t have
any plans to be a candidate again.” Some people would take that as a &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt;
but we only believe what people tell us. We do not interpret. Al Gore did not
state that he would not run. He only said that he did not have any “plans.”
People change their plans all the time. This was a good political answer that
kept the door open to a possible run. As it turned out Al Gore did not run for
President.&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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With computer technology growing ever more complex and adaptable, where do you
see statement analysis going in the next 5, 10, 20 years?&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;MM:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/b&gt;When I was a U.S. Marshal we spent a lot of time catching fugitives. We
apprehended many of them using high tech equipment. Therefore, I saw the art of
interviewing diminishing. However, it will not disappear. Investigators still
need to interview witness and take statements at a crime scene. Therefore, the
Statement Analysis techniques will still be needed. &lt;/div&gt;
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In terms
of computer technology, officers can use my Statement Analyzer software to
analyze a statement. It quickly identifies certain words within the statement
and helps officers see things they were not familiar with or over looked.&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
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Thanks for joining us, Mark.&amp;nbsp; It was a pleasure talking with you.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/b&gt;It was nice talking with you, Joe.&lt;br /&gt;
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By Michelle McKee&lt;br /&gt;
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On April 19, 1995
 the people of Oklahoma City fell victim to the worst case of domestic 
terrorism in United States history, the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah 
building.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I had an opportunity to speak with Jon Hersley about the investigation, conspiracy theorists and law enforcement in general. Hersley’s position within the investigation was as the FBI&#39;s Lead Case Agent 
responsible for the United States government’s case against Timothy 
McVeigh. Agent Hersley was involved in the investigation for its entire 
duration, from beginning to end, and it was his testimony before the 
Grand Jury that was instrumental in leading to McVeigh’s indictment.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In order to set an accurate record of the investigation and dispel the 
inaccurate and erroneous information being circulated regarding the 
bombing and the subsequent FBI investigation, 
retired FBI Special Agents Jon Hersley and Larry Tongate teamed up with 
Bob Burke, a local Oklahoma author, and wrote a book entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1885596413/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=crimicondu-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;creativeASIN=1885596413&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Simple Truths&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.
 It is considered to be the definitive book on the investigation into 
the Oklahoma City bombing.
 The authors have declined any financial interest in the book, it was 
strictly a non-profit project, and it is the only accounting of the case
 that is told by the two FBI agents who were the closest to the 
investigation. The two men who were assigned as the Lead Case Agents 
responsible for building the government’s case against Terry 
Nichols and Timothy McVeigh, and who actually worked on the 
investigation from start to finish.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Oklahoma City Bombing was the largest criminal investigation ever 
conducted in American history.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;“This monstrous evil demanded justice. Whoever did this should never walk the face of the earth again.”&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;– &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1885596413/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=crimicondu-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;creativeASIN=1885596413&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Simple Truths&lt;/a&gt;: The Real Story of the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;, by Jon Hersley, Larry Tongate and Bob Burke&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt;
 The victim families in the Oklahoma City bombing; what a dignified 
group of people they are. They’re like your own families. Like your 
brothers and your sisters, your sons and daughters, your moms and your 
dads. That’s who they are. They’re just like you are, like we are.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I sat in the courtroom and watched and 
listened to many, many of  those victim family members testify about 
their loved ones that were  killed. Spouses who’ve had their husbands or
 wives killed, their kids  killed, their sons and daughters, their aunts
 and uncles, their grandmas  and their grandpas, and their mothers and 
fathers killed in the  Oklahoma City bombing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I was a thirty-year law  enforcement officer; I’ve had all kinds of 
cases. But this one changed  me. I watched the dignity that all these 
people testified with. And they  all tried to maintain their composure 
on the witness stand, and they  all broke down before they could finish.
 It honestly just rips your  heart out, and it changed me as a person. I
 am a different person today  after experiencing all of that, knowing 
these people, and watching what  they’ve been through.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;“And Helena saw another man carry Brandon Denny 
from the building. Colton Smith was carried out next and laid on the 
concrete. Helena did not want to leave Colton but she wanted desperately
 to find Tevin.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
She stayed with Colton, watching him, waiting and watching as more and 
more of the babies were carried out and laid down next to her. She 
screamed to the men, “Please don’t lay our babies on this glass, we 
don’t want our babies on this glass.” Pieces of glass were everywhere. A
 man swept the glass away from the children as they lay on the plaza 
floor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Helena had not yet realized the babies were dead. A nurse came and began
 tagging the tiny bodies, and finally Helena realized they were gone. 
But still there was no sign of her precious Tevin.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;On Saturday, three days, and what seemed like years after the bombing, 
Helena was notified that Tevin had been found. She was at church when 
the news came. Helena was never able to see Tevin’s face again. Tevin 
had a severe head injury, necessitating a closed casket funeral. She was
 able to kiss his feet and legs, but the rest of his body remained 
covered.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Tevin Garrett was 16-months old.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; It had been a clear day, you could see all the way 
down to the Oklahoma City area from the windows of our building. I was 
on the drug squad in Oklahoma City at the time. I was actually in the 
FBI office up on the 16th floor, where my squad was, when the bomb 
exploded.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Our building was probably four or five miles from downtown Oklahoma City
 and I remember hearing this sound, this tremendous noise. I went and 
looked out the window and saw this tremendous cloud of dark, black smoke
 coming from the downtown Oklahoma City area. Of course, we didn’t know 
it was a bomb then. We didn’t know what had happened. I remember, we 
were talking in the office that there must have been a gas explosion or 
something. But then it was just a matter of minutes before we started 
hearing on the news that something terrible had happened in downtown 
Oklahoma City, and that the Alfred P. Murrah Building had blown-up down 
there.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Once we found out what happened we knew we were going to have an 
investigation that we were going to have to coordinate. We knew we were 
going to have people and supplies coming in from out of state, 
responders and rescuers, and such. I was initially tasked with staying 
at the office to begin coordinating everything, so it was about two days
 before I went down to the building site.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When I got down to Oklahoma City my first reaction was that it looked 
like a war zone. I was very upset and angry that someone did this. I 
thought, “Who could do such a thing?” It was just terrible. There was 
debris all over the place, the whole façade of the Murrah Building was 
blown off, and the buildings around the Murrah Building were also 
seriously damaged. Windows were blown out all over, and the structural 
parts of those buildings were all damaged. It was horrible, just 
horrible. I remember thinking, you know, “this is not the Middle East, 
what is going on here? What happened here?&quot;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;“It was impossible to walk around inside the building. There was smoke and debris everywhere, and the officers had to crawl.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle McKee:&lt;/b&gt; Is it true that as a result 
of the investigation Michael and Lori Fortier were discovered to have 
had prior knowledge that Timothy McVeigh was not only going to blow up 
the Murrah Building specifically, but also on what day it was going to 
occur and exactly how he was going to do it, all the way down to the 
rental of the truck and use of fertilizer and fuel?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; McVeigh had described in detail to the Fortiers what
 he was going to do and how he was going to do it. He told them that he 
was going to use a Ryder truck, that he had acquired the bomb components
 and described to them how he was going to configure the bomb making 
materials in the back of the Ryder truck.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He had pointed the Murrah Building out to Michael Fortier in 
mid-December, and told him that it was the building he was going to 
blow-up. After McVeigh had pulled off the highway and pointed the 
building out to Fortier, they discussed the best place for McVeigh to 
leave his car so he could get away quickly.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Did either Michael or Lori Fortier make any attempt to stop the bombing?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; No, they did not make any attempt to stop it from taking place.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Fortiers say that they didn’t think that McVeigh would actually go 
through with it. But he had acquired all of the bomb components, he had 
picked out the building he was going to blow-up, he picked out the type 
of vehicle he was going to use. He had everything. And he was trying to 
get Michael Fortier to help him. However, Fortier would not help him so 
to me that puts Fortier in a little bit of a different light than Terry 
Nichols.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So yes, you have to surmise, and I have no doubt, that the Fortiers knew
 exactly what McVeigh was going to do. And they could have stopped the 
whole thing with a phone call, and they didn’t. It could have been an 
anonymous phone call.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Do you think that Michel Fortier should have received life in prison?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, you know, I have to go by what the laws in our
 country are. And I think that those laws were followed and Fortier was 
sentenced accordingly. But, do I think he deserves life in prison for 
what he did, and what he didn’t do? Yes, I do.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What about Lori Fortier? Is she an innocent bystander?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, you can’t really say that someone is an 
innocent bystander if they’ve been told everything that is going to 
happen, and they do nothing to try to stop it, can you? But as part of 
the deal with Michael Fortier, we agreed not to prosecute Lori.&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Floors of concrete had fallen and were pancaked
 on top of where the officers were trying to free trapped victims. 
[Sgt.] Flowers heard a woman scream and saw her rolled up in a ball, her
 feet and legs tucked under her chest. She was imprisoned in a mass of 
cement blocks and steel rebar. He reached up through the concrete and 
touched the woman, telling her she was going to be okay, although he 
knew there was no way – it was impossible to move the concrete and steel
 rebar by hand.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What was Michael Fortier convicted of?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Primarily weapons charges. He helped McVeigh 
transport weapons from Kansas to Kingman, Arizona, to help put money 
back in the coffer that Nichols used. I don’t know that Fortier knew 
exactly what all that was going to be used for, but he helped. So, he 
was convicted of weapons charges.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We didn’t have enough evidence to convict him of the bombing, absent the things coming out of his own mouth.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think it’s important to understand that in a case of this magnitude 
you need an insider, and you need an insider for two reasons. One is you
 need the insider testifying in the courtroom, so the jury will have 
confidence in their verdict. And, I think you also need an insider for 
the sake of the public, so that the public will have confidence in the 
investigation and the outcome of the trials.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In cases of this magnitude, sometimes you have to make &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/17/court.archive.mcveigh8/index.html?iref=newssearch&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;a deal with the Devil&lt;/a&gt;.
 That’s what we did. We needed an insider in the case, and Michael 
Fortier was that insider. Was it pleasant making a deal with Michael 
Fortier? Absolutely not, but I would still make the same decision today.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I will also say this, once Michael Fortier made the agreement with us, 
and agreed to testify, he definitely lived up to his end of the bargain.
 He did, I think, as good a job as he could have done testifying. And, I
 do think he regretted the fact that he had not picked up the phone and 
made a call. Now he has to live the rest of his life knowing that he 
could have stopped it all.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle McKee:&lt;/b&gt; Was McVeigh the sole person involved in the planning of the bombing?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; No. Terry Nichols was involved in it all the way. He
 helped McVeigh acquire the bomb components; he planned it out with him,
 including the day before the bombing when Nichols helped McVeigh mix 
the bomb at Geary Lake.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Would you say Nichols is a follower?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Terry? No. He’s absolutely not a follower. He was in this all the way with McVeigh.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The only thing that Terry Nichols didn’t do was go down to Oklahoma City
 on the morning of the bombing. He was afraid of getting caught there, 
so instead, he chose to hide behind his wife’s apron strings in 
Herington, Kansas, and let McVeigh go do the dirty work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think Terry Nichols is every bit as guilty as Tim McVeigh is, and the evidence in the case showed that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You know one thing that has always bothered me about McVeigh and 
Nichols. If you feel strongly enough about committing a crime of this 
magnitude should you not stand up and say &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; you did it? Take responsibility for what you did? Say “I did this, because of this.” Have they done that? Not at all.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Do you think Terry Nichols is a coward?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Absolutely, Terry Nichols is a coward. Absolutely!&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;“Daina Bradley’s leg was caught between the 
basement floor and a slab of the collapsed floor above. For hours she 
had laid in six inches of water and was in shock. Dr. [Andy] Sullivan 
removed the hard hat he had been given and crawled on his stomach until 
he reached the patient. A light bulb rigged by the rescue workers 
provided a small glimpse of light.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“He had to make quick decisions. A rescue harness was hooked to her body
 so she could be pulled immediately from the rubble after he amputated 
her leg.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The doctor was afraid to administer Demerol or Morphine in fear that the
 medicine would kill Daina. Instead, he gave her Versed, an amnesic that
 would help her forget what was about to happen. He prayed Daina would 
not bleed to death and die in his arms as he performed the crude 
surgery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
With the tourniquet tightened, Dr. Sullivan told Daina what he was about
 to do. At first she said no, but then relented, recognizing that 
loosing a leg was better than loosing her life.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dr. Sullivan began his work. The first, second, and third scalpel blades
 broke as Daina screamed and thrashed about with her free arms and leg. 
The doctor used his body to pin her leg against the concrete wall and 
switched to an amputation knife. Hitting against the concrete dulled the
 knife, so Dr. Sullivan had to complete his horrible task with his 
pocket knife.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Because of Dr. Sullivan’s heroic effort, Daina survived.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Did both men know that there was a daycare inside the Murrah building?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, you know, that’s speculation. But Michael 
Fortier said that McVeigh certainly knew. We didn’t have as concrete of 
evidence that Terry Nichols knew that there was a daycare there. But I 
believe they both knew it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Did Nichols or McVeigh ever express any remorse for anybody that they killed, even for just the children, the babies that died?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; No. Not one bit.&lt;i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;i&gt;“As she rounded the corner from Harvey and 
looked across Northwest Fifth Street, Helena could see the Murrah 
Building had been almost completely destroyed. The entire face of the 
building had blown off. As she ran toward the building, she counted in 
her mind, “One, two,” trying to imagine where the second floor of the 
day care center w&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;i&gt;ould have been. She began climbing the pile of debris - she desperately needed to be where Tevin would have been.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“As she moved closer to the plaza area immediately behind the day care 
center, Helena screamed at two strangers that her baby was inside the 
building. The men asked her what she meant, and Helena screamed, 
“There’s a day care center in there, my baby’s in there.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; The Turner Diaries were very significant to McVeigh, weren’t they?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Absolutely. The Turner Diaries were like his bible. 
It was a very important book to him and he tried to get many, many 
people to read that book.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t know if you’ve read the book; it’s absolute garbage, a piece of 
trash! To me, there is no redeeming quality about that book, at all. 
It’s racist, it’s biased. I don’t know &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt; he could buy into all 
of that. I don’t know how anyone could buy into it. I think you have to 
have a skewed type of foundation to buy into something like that. It’s 
just bizarre, that book.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;“He told his old friend about The Tuner Diaries.
 It was important to McVeigh, and he pressed Hodge to read the book. He 
left a copy of the book, along with a letter, for Hodge to read.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The letter stated in part, “Steve, Read the book when you have time to 
sit down and think. When I read it, I would have to stop at the end of 
every paragraph and examine the deeper meaning of what I had just 
read…..It is like you have written a diary during now and (when) a 
“revolution” took place in about 3 years; you keeping a diary the whole 
time. Then in 10 years or so, or even a thousand, an &quot;archeologist” 
discovers your diary…..I am not giving you the book to convert you. I 
do, however, want you to understand the “other side” and view the pure 
literal genius of this piece. Again this is accomplished by not just 
simply reading this, but in analyzing every sentence you’ve read. Think 
“what made the author write that paragraph”, or “what deeper meaning is 
he trying to convey”, or “How, by wording it like that, is he trying to 
subliminally influence someone’s thinking”. If you look at it like that,
 it is a masterpiece.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Was McVeigh’s hatred for the government fueled by his failure in the military?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; McVeigh had a lot of anti-government hatred built up for years, before he went into the military.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Before he went into the military he was upset and very, very angry with 
the government over gun control. He had even written a letter to the 
newspapers up in the Buffalo area about gun control rights, saying 
something like “what does this have to come to? That blood might have to
 be spilled in the streets about this?”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He completed his military career and tried out for Special Forces. But 
he was unable to compete in the physical arenas that Special Forces 
competed in and he voluntarily dropped out, after he had tried to do a 
five-mile walk with a rucksack on his back and found it to be too 
difficult.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What was the true motive for the bombing? Was it really retribution for Waco?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Yes, Waco had a lot to do with it. I think McVeigh, in his own warped mind, felt like he was avenging what had happened there.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He also, in my estimation, had not accomplished what he wanted to 
accomplish in his life. He was seeking relevance in life because he had 
none. So, I think in his own twisted mind, Waco gave him the excuse he 
wanted to try and make something of himself. &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;i&gt;“It was no small coincidence that the book, 
Homemade C-4, ordered and shipped to McVeigh in May 1993, detailed the 
mixture of ammonium nitrate fertilizer with nitromethane and/or 
anhydrous hydrazine to complete a powerful explosive material. FBI 
explosives experts were certain the bomb that was exploded in front of 
the Murrah Building on April 19, 1995, was an ammonium nitrate based 
bomb.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;i&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“Agent Hersley and other Agents assigned to the investigation took full 
note of the fact that Homemade C-4 was ordered and delivered to McVeigh 
approximately one month after the fire on April 19, 1993 at David 
Koresh’s compound in Waco, Texas.”&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle McKee:&lt;/b&gt; What do you think it was about McVeigh that enabled him to commit such a heinous act?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; McVeigh was a loner and I think in order to be able 
to do something like this you have to be capable of disassociating, 
because of all of the human lives you are going to take. I think it was 
easy for McVeigh to - retreat from society, if you will.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think McVeigh was unique in this way; he never really had a meaningful
 relationship with a person of the opposite sex. He had no meaningful 
relationships in his life at all. And he had no real relationship with 
his mother. He referred to his mom in extremely derogatory terms, and 
his sister as well, he also referred to her in derogatory terms. His mom
 and his dad divorced when he was pretty young, and I don’t think he 
ever forgave his mom for that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So I do think the fact that McVeigh had no real relationships in his 
life enabled him to distance himself from society. That’s no excuse or 
justification for what he did, but all of those things contributed to 
who McVeigh was.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Have you ever spoken with McVeigh’s family, and if so have they ever expressed their own remorse for Tim’s actions?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; That is one tragedy that probably some people don’t focus on in this case. What this did to Bill McVeigh, Tim’s father.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I spoke with Bill McVeigh. He came out and talked with us after Tim was 
arrested. He wanted to go out and visit his son, and I was hopeful that 
maybe by Bill McVeigh talking to Tim he could convince him that he 
should do the right thing and tell what happened.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When I first spoke with Bill McVeigh he was like a shell of a man. There
 was nobody inside. It was like someone had ripped his insides 
completely out and left him hollow. It was like a tornado had hit him. 
This absolutely tore him to pieces. I don’t expect he’ll ever recover 
from this, and I think he was really a pretty good guy. He didn’t have 
animosity like Tim did towards the government. That wasn’t part of Bill 
McVeigh’s make-up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What about his sister, Jennifer? Did you ever speak with her, and if so did she ever express remorse for her brother’s actions?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Jennifer McVeigh was a little bit different. She had
 bought into some of Tim’s anti-government sentiment and had a lot of 
that built up inside her.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I spent a lot of time with Jennifer because we knew that Jennifer was 
going to be a pretty important witness. And she was. She didn’t like it,
 but she really didn’t have much choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
She told me that she thought McVeigh was going to do something on that 
day, and that it might include killing someone. But she had no idea he 
was going to blow-up a building full of people. She was in a complete 
state of shock while we were talking to her. She was shocked that her 
brother could do such a thing. She did cry, and I remember telling her 
that it was okay to cry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What was it that you were hoping McVeigh would tell you that you didn’t discover in the investigation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, as any investigator would like, you’d like the
 main culprit to sit down and tell you everything. I didn’t feel like we
 needed him to put our case together. We were already well on our way to
 putting our case together by the time we arrested him. But any 
investigator that is heading up a case like this would love to sit down 
with the main culprit and go start to finish with them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We are very confident that we know who was involved in this, and that 
those people have been brought to justice. Someone might say, well, did 
McVeigh tell you that there was no one else involved? I am very, very 
confident that there were no other people involved. In fact, I’m 100% 
confident that I know who was involved in this, who plotted and planned 
the bombing, who carried it out, and that those people have been brought
 to justice. I don’t know that I would be any more confident in our 
investigation if McVeigh told me himself that we had all of the 
participants than I am right now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some people might say that Michael Fortier didn’t spend enough time in 
prison, and I’d be one of those. But that’s what the laws of our society
 are, and those did not enable us to get Michael Fortier sentenced to 
any more time than he got. I don’t disagree with those laws, but I don’t
 necessarily think that they’re set up for a case like this. Michael 
Fortier received twelve years. I’d like to see Michael Fortier spend the
 rest of his life in prison.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What about people on the sidelines in this 
tragedy? Those individuals that others may not necessarily perceive as 
victims, but who are victims of the bombing none the less?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; There are all kinds of victims in this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Eldon Elliot, he was a victim. He started crying one day when we were 
interviewing him. I asked him what was wrong. He said, “Jon, I know I 
rented the truck to this guy.” I told him, “Eldon, I’m a law enforcement
 officer in Oklahoma City and maybe I should have been up on I-35 when 
McVeigh was coming into the city and stopped him. This is not your 
fault. You had no idea what he was going to do with that truck.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The guy who sold the fertilizer to McVeigh felt awful, just awful. But 
he couldn’t have done anything. He didn’t know what McVeigh was planning
 to do with it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are all kinds of victims in this. There are people who were 
involved in the investigation that were taken away from their families 
for three years and others who weren’t involved in the investigation and
 feel badly because they weren’t. It’s like people who are involved in 
these mass shootings. They feel guilty because they survived. There are 
all kinds of things like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Are you still in contact with the victim families? If so, how are they doing?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; They are doing much as you might expect. Most of 
them are doing really well. Some of them have had trouble letting go, 
and I say letting go carefully because they never really let go. I’d say
 rather than letting go, some of them have had more difficulty than 
others living the new life they’ve been so unfairly dealt.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What do you think the public should take away from Oklahoma City?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Oklahoma City was a domestic crime committed by our own people, for all the wrong reasons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What can we take away from this horrible tragedy, and learn from it? 
It’s certainly not what McVeigh wanted us to learn from it, to feel his 
sense of anger. I don’t think we should feel that. I think we should 
feel love and kindness and what these people meant to the world.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If anything, we need to take away from it that we don’t want people to 
feel isolated in the world, to feel full of anger and hatred and 
loneliness with no sense of relevance.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You know, with as much animosity as I have for McVeigh, I can only 
imagine what his life was like. Can you imagine getting to the point 
where you are so full of hatred, and anger and loneliness that you could
 do something like this? Blow up a building full of innocent people?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; There is a common perception that the FBI doesn’t 
get on well with other law enforcement agencies. How true was that in 
this case?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, I know exactly what you are talking about. 
Sometimes the FBI has been accused of not working well with other 
agencies, being prima donnas and not sharing information back and forth. 
I’ve never experienced that myself, though. I always try to treat those 
agencies and officers the way that I’d like to be treated, and I’ve 
found that once we all start working together it always seems to work 
just fine. It’s just a matter of treating people with respect and 
courtesy, like you’d want to be treated yourself. But I do know what 
you’re talking about.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In this case, with the magnitude of this tragedy, all of the agencies 
and the public worked very closely, and extremely well together. Any 
little side issues that people &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; have had before the tragedy 
were put aside. It really was a thing of beauty to watch, and be a part 
of, something positive arising from this terrible tragedy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The citizens of Oklahoma City were really wonderful and they really came
 together to try and do the best that they could to help. For example: 
when we got our command post set up we would get food deliveries in 
there for the first several weeks, and it was more than we could ever 
possibly eat. We would be working eighteen to twenty hours a day, and we
 really didn’t have time to go out and get lunch or dinner so people 
were bringing food to us. I remember telling everyone “we have to be 
really careful what we ask for here, in the way of supplies and 
everything else, because we might end up getting a truckload of it!” &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;“Though scores of buildings were damaged, there 
was no looting. When rescue workers and firefighters asked for 
something, they got everything. By the box – by the truckload – there 
was no limit to the love.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; I do think though, that the 
FBI, the way we are set-up, is the only law enforcement organization in 
our country that could do a case like this. And that’s not meant to be 
braggadocios or arrogance or anything, it’s simply a fact that we are 
the only organization that is set-up in that fashion. We had leads 
covered in virtually every state in the United States while this case 
was going on.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;i&gt;“A rescue and recovery operation involving 
thousands, for weeks, around the clock, in rain and wind and under the 
white of lights on cranes, conducted simultaneously with the 
investigation of the largest criminal case in the history of the United 
States. Firefighters, police officers, emergency service personnel, 
construction workers, all feverishly picking the building apart with 
their hearts, hands, and five-gallon buckets.”&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Is it true that witness recollections are notoriously inaccurate?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Not necessarily witness recollections, but witness 
identifications you have to be really careful with. I think eye-witness 
sightings may be what you mean. With eye-witness sightings, unless 
there’s some other significant event that happened along with it, I 
would say to law enforcement that they have to be very careful on 
eye-witness sightings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When you’re conducting a business transaction with somebody it’s much 
easier to remember them. And it’s much more reliable than if you just 
pass somebody on the street or you see something happen very quickly, 
that’s when you really have to be careful.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For me to consider them to be reliable there would need to be some other
 event that took place with it. If the victim was assaulted, you’re 
going to have a better chance of remembering the person. Even though 
it’s a real traumatic event, and sometimes that impacts your ability to 
remember.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I’m saying is that if there’s some reason for you to focus on the person, it’s easier to remember them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For example; When McVeigh came into Elliot’s Body Shop for the first 
time on Saturday morning. Well, it was only him and Eldon Elliot that 
were in there together, and they were less than two feet apart when 
McVeigh was reserving the Ryder truck. Then Eldon Elliott got a chance 
to see McVeigh again when he came in on Monday afternoon. I bring up 
Eldon Elliot because Eldon had a reason he could remember McVeigh, and 
it was because he waited on McVeigh, signed the paperwork with him and 
talked with him.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Another example would be if I were to say to you that you’ve probably 
stayed at hotels in the last five years, other than the manager or 
someone working at the hotels, would you really remember any of the 
other guests staying next door to you, or that you might have passed?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
McVeigh and Nichols stayed at different hotels and any time that that 
they stayed at hotels we would go and get the reservation cards and find
 out if the managers or the hotel office people knew anything about 
either of them. But to expect any of the guests that stayed there to 
remember McVeigh or Nichols, remember whether they were actually there 
or if somebody was with them, is really asking those individuals to 
stretch their mind too far.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Wasn’t there someone who came forward who stated 
that they had witnessed some men, that they believed to be of Middle 
Eastern decent, in the area just before the explosion?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; There was a homeless man in downtown Oklahoma City 
on the morning of the bombing that said he saw two Middle Eastern people
 running across the street, jumping into a brown pick-up and hurrying 
away from the bombing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Then he said they went west on Fifth Street, and turned north on Harvey 
Avenue. Well, those are both one way streets, and they go in the 
opposite directions of where he said he saw these two people go. He was 
interviewed the next day and he couldn’t keep his directions straight as
 to which direction they had gone.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He also provided really elaborate descriptions of those two people. You have to ask yourself “&lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; was he so focused on those two people?” &lt;i&gt;Nothing&lt;/i&gt;
 had happened, yet. The bomb had not gone off. There was no reason for 
him to sit there and analyze everything about these two guys and what 
they were wearing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We conducted all kinds of investigations and follow-ups to people 
calling the hotline reporting brown pick-up trucks that were being 
spotted all over Oklahoma City, many at the same time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As the investigation continued we were able to determine that the 
information just wasn’t accurate. There weren’t two people running 
across Fifth Avenue, Middle Eastern or otherwise, that the homeless 
person’s information was not at all reliable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Jon, is there any Middle East connection to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Absolutely not. There is absolutely no Middle 
Eastern connection to the Oklahoma City bombing at all, and I am 100% 
confident in that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Is there specific criteria for the FBI to come 
into an investigation? Do you have to be invited in or are there 
specific types of crimes that fall within FBI jurisdiction?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; It’s both of those, really. Mainly it comes down to 
whether Congress has enacted legislation and laws that give us the 
jurisdiction over those crimes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are specific types of crimes that the FBI has jurisdiction over, 
the Oklahoma City bombing was one. We don’t have to be asked by anybody 
to come into an investigation like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Certain types of crimes we do have to be invited in. There is some where
 we have to be asked by other state or local law enforcement agencies to
 lend assistance, and we will do that. Crimes that are not in our 
country; sometimes in terrorism crimes we are invited to come into other
 countries with crime scene investigations and things of that nature. 
Kidnappings in the United States; there has to be indications that the 
victim, or victims, have been transported across state lines before the 
FBI can be involved in it. Most of the crimes that the FBI investigates 
they have jurisdiction over, and they don’t have to be invited.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; If you were to give others in law enforcement any advice in conducting an investigation of this magnitude what would it be?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; If I was to be asked what to tell an investigator 
heading up a case like this I would say to keep an open mind and cover 
every base, look under every rock. It’s very important that an 
investigator keep an open mind when they go through a case like this, 
because you don’t want to miss anything. You don’t want to miss one 
single thing - and we didn’t.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You learn that you can’t do everything in an investigation yourself. You
 have to depend on other people, and we literally had thousands of 
people across the country helping us in this case. I remember thinking 
to myself, “My gosh, I can pick up the phone and call anywhere in the 
United States and ask that ‘this’ be done, or that ‘this’ be checked out
 and any law enforcement officer across the country would not only say, 
“We will help you”, but “We will help you right now. We will do it right
 now.” That was pretty nice to be able to do that, it gave us a sense of
 confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And I think you need to have people with some experience. That’s one of 
the things that I felt that Larry Tongate and I had in this 
investigation. We had a tremendous amount of trial experience and 
courtroom experience, and that helped us a lot.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What do you think is, or was, the biggest public misconception in this case and of the FBI’s investigation&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, there were all kinds of conspiracy theories 
out there. Were there more people involved, did the FBI rush to 
judgment, were there people involved that we didn’t investigate early 
because we had our men and we wanted to prosecute them, was the 
government actually involved in some type of a cover-up, and was there 
actually a sting that had gone wrong?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You know, it’s really offensive to me that people with really no 
foundation or base whatsoever would accuse the government of being 
involved in the bombing, or say that it was some type of sting that had 
gone wrong and the government was trying to cover it up. That’s really 
pretty asinine and ludicrous. It’s absolutely unfounded, there is no 
basis for it whatsoever, and it is really, really offensive.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Having known people and had friends that were killed in that bombing, 
there is no way I would have ever rested if I would have thought 
anything like that had happened. If there had been anything pointing to 
someone else having been involved I certainly would have wanted to know 
that! And, in the position that Larry Tongate and I were in, in the 
bombing investigation, if there was ever even a hint about any of this 
we would have known about it, and that absolutely did not happen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Did McVeigh belong to a militia?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; No. That’s a misnomer. No, he was not a militia member.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You know, that’s one of the things that I almost would like to get out 
to people. I’m not signing up for militias, but you know, they’re not 
like this. They’re not like McVeigh. They don’t do that. They don’t like
 this. They don’t want to be associated with this crime. Again, I’m not 
signing up for militias, but you know, most of these militia people are 
not really bad people. They’re not like this. They don’t act out like 
this and take people’s lives just because they might disagree with 
certain things.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; In your career with the FBI have you ever been 
told not to investigate a tip associated with a case, regardless of how 
ridiculous the tip sounds?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; No, absolutely not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Were you ever asked not to investigate any tip associated with the Oklahoma City bombing case?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; There was not ever any hint at any time, and we were
 never told not to look at any tip coming in to this case. Nor were we 
ever told, or even hinted at, that we shouldn’t look at anything we 
wanted to in this investigation. In fact, it was exactly the opposite. 
We were encouraged to look at absolutely everything, and we did that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Contrary to some of the conspiracy theorists belief that the FBI rushed 
to judgment, I would say exactly the opposite occurred. In fact, it 
turned out that we may have over investigated this case at times. But in
 retrospect I’m glad we did that, and I feel very confident in our 
investigation because we did do that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Where you ever told not to investigate Elohim City?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; I have seen it reported in the news media that the 
FBI was told to back off of the investigation in Elohim City. There is 
absolutely no truth to that whatsoever.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Was the FBI successful in positively confirming the identity of the individual identified as John Doe #2?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Yes. That was Todd Bunting.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
McVeigh went into Elliot’s Body Shop and picked up his Ryder truck on 
Monday afternoon, April the 17th. Michael Hertig and Todd Bunting went 
in there on Tuesday afternoon, April 18th.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Michael Hertig and Todd Bunting were both soldiers at Fort Riley. Hertig
 was being transferred to a new duty station and he went into Elliot’s 
Body Shop to pick up a Ryder truck in conjunction with his move Tuesday 
afternoon. His buddy, Todd Bunting, drove him over to pickup the Ryder 
truck and had gone inside with Hertig&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Todd Kessinger was a mechanic at Elliot’s Body Shop. He had started 
going into the office in the afternoon to take his break, because he 
liked to talk with Vicki Beemer. So he was in there on Monday afternoon 
eating a bag of popcorn and having a soda pop when McVeigh came in to 
pick up his truck. He was also in there Tuesday afternoon, doing the 
same thing, having his break and talking with Vicki Beemer, when Michael
 Hertig and Todd Bunting came in to pick up their truck. He had started 
paying attention to Hertig because Vicki Beemer made a comment to Hertig
 when he pulled out his drivers license that she had been married longer
 than Hertig had been alive. Kessinger said that when she said that he 
looked up at Hertig and studied him a little bit, and also saw his 
partner, Bunting.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Did Hertig and McVeigh look similar?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, if you described them orally they would be 
similar in their description. They were roughly the same height and 
weight, and hair color. But they really don’t look a whole lot alike. 
It’s kind of hard for a guy to say this, but Michael Hertig was a better
 looking man than McVeigh was. So when you saw them you wouldn’t 
necessarily confuse them, but if somebody described them to you their 
description would be pretty similar. They both had the same general hair
 color, wore it relatively the same length, Hertig’s was a little bit 
longer than McVeigh’s. And Hertig had a moustache at that time and 
McVeigh didn’t.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Kessinger did not mistake Hertig for McVeigh in his mind. Kessinger is 
the one that we did the composite drawings from and Kessinger absolutely
 described McVeigh as John Doe #1. And he’s been very consistent, and 
has always been consistent about that. When he saw McVeigh for the first
 time after McVeigh was arrested he said, “That’s the guy. That’s John 
Doe #1 right there. That’s who I was describing.” After he saw a series 
of pictures of Todd Bunting he said “that’s who I was drawing as John 
Doe #2, right there.” Kessinger had mistakenly taken Bunting, from the 
Hertig / Bunting episode and put Bunting in with McVeigh. That’s a 
fairly common thing that happens. There’s a word for that, and I can’t 
think of it right now, but there have been books written on it. Where 
you take somebody from one event and replace them in another event 
mistakenly. That’s what happened there.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Who is Danny Coulson, and how does he fit into this investigation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Danny Coulson, is the former FBI SAC [Special Agent in Charge] of the Dallas division, and a guy that I know pretty well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Danny Coulson was not involved in the Oklahoma City investigation for 
any real length of time, at all. So he doesn’t know the inner workings 
of the investigation. But that hasn’t stopped him from speaking about it
 as if he does.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He had made one comment in the news media that there should be a Grand 
Jury called to investigate this. That tells me volumes, because there 
was a Grand Jury that investigated this. For eighteen months. Apparently
 Danny doesn’t even know that. That’s kind of sad, really.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, Danny handles himself very well when he talks, and he presents himself pretty well on TV.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I’m a little bit upset with Coulson for what he’s done. But he can do 
what he wants to, I guess. He’s entitled. But when he goes out and makes
 statements about the bombing investigation on things he knows nothing 
about, that’s kind of frustrating.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; So, the public sees his remarks as having 
credibility, as though he knows what he’s talking about, because he 
carried those FBI credentials too?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Yep. For whatever reason, and I don’t want to 
speculate on what his reasons are, Danny feels the need to come out and 
comment on this investigation and he wasn’t even involved in it for very
 long at all. He really doesn’t know very much about it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; How long was Danny Coulson actually involved in the investigation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; He worked on the case for about one month.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Your wife was brought into one of these conspiracy theories, wasn’t she?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Yes. She worked at a department store and there was a
 woman who worked there whose husband is a conspiracy theorist. He has 
accused her of knowing about the bombing beforehand. He has claimed that
 she told his wife about the bombing beforehand, and that is absolutely 
and blatantly false. There is absolutely no truth to that at all. My 
wife is one of the most decent people I’ve ever met in my life, and she 
certainly didn’t have any information like that because there absolutely
 was no information like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It’s upsetting to you as an FBI agent to have somebody accuse your wife 
of that, but she’s also confident in me, and confident in what our 
investigation shows.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But, you have all kinds of things like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I’ve told my wife, if people ask you questions about the Oklahoma City 
investigation, or they want to know your feelings about it, feel free to
 tell them. But don’t try to convince them of anything because they have
 their own feelings and they need to derive their own thoughts from what
 happened. You’re not going to convince somebody who doesn’t want to 
believe it. So, if you want to speak your mind about it, go right ahead.
 But then give those people the right to feel how they want to feel 
about it, they’re entitled to that, and you shouldn’t feel badly because
 they feel differently than you do.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; If there was one thing that you could say to those individuals who continue to promote conspiracy theories, what would it be?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Well, I’d ask them to keep in mind that every time 
they come up with one of these unfounded conspiracy theories it sends 
the victim families on an emotional rollercoaster.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Every time one of these conspiracy theories is brought up, and they’re 
brought up in a way that encourages the victim families to believe that 
there is somebody else involved, and that not everybody has been brought
 to justice, it sends these victim families on these tremendous 
emotional rides. I think that is very unfortunate because they’ve 
already been through enough. They’ve had their insides completely ripped
 out. They’ve had their loved ones taken completely away from them for 
no legitimate reason whatsoever and they want to have some type of 
closure. Closure, I don’t think is the right word, because they don’t 
ever really experience closure. They only learn to live their lives in a
 different way. They now have a different life. I would ask them to 
maybe consider this a little bit before they start putting out theories 
to the public that have no basis and no foundation at all.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Imagine having a family member killed in a tragedy like this, and then 
not knowing for sure whether the people that were responsible for it 
have been brought to justice. It’s going to completely churn up all of 
those feelings that you have had to deal with for the last twelve years,
 and it’s going to be the same thing after twenty years. So I think 
there needs to be some credibility to these theories when they’re 
brought up. There needs to be some basis for them. I would only ask 
these individuals to consider the victim family members feelings when 
they go off and start promoting these half-cocked theories.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think the evidence comes out when we are twelve years after the 
Oklahoma City bombing and none of these theories have proven to have any
 life whatsoever because there’s no basis for them, there’s no 
foundation for them, there’s no proof, there’s no facts and there’s no 
evidence for them. Yet individuals continue to engage in mere 
speculation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We’ve had three trials, two federal trials in Denver and a state trial 
in Oklahoma. McVeigh and Nichols each had upwards of about fifteen 
attorneys apiece for those trials. Those attorneys did not further these
 conspiracy theories in those trials because there is nothing to them, 
and you know if there was any substance or foundation to them they would
 have. There is no substance, there is no foundation, and there is no 
evidence. And no conspiracy theorist, investigator, reporter, 
Congressman, or any other member of the public has come forth with 
anything credible in the past twelve years that suggests otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We can’t deal in mere speculation in law enforcement. We have to deal in facts and we have to deal in evidence.
 That’s what it takes in the courtroom. That’s what you need when you 
charge someone and you are going to try them in our country. You need to
 have the law and the facts and the evidence on your side, you can’t 
engage in speculation and go off on something half-cocked. And that’s 
what these conspiracy theories are based on, half-cocked speculation 
with no basis in facts or evidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think if individuals are going to continue to try and push these 
conspiracy theories on to others when those theories simply have no 
basis in fact then I think they need to examine what their own agendas 
are for doing that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I’ve told people that I now know how the investigators who did the 
Kennedy assassination felt. Because I’m sure they are very, very 
confident in their investigation just like I am in ours. Yet there is 
always going to be people who are going to question that, and that’s 
their right. I don’t have animosity or ill feelings towards people for 
that, but I know how those investigators feel now, I think.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I fully encourage anybody to look into our investigation. Congress, 
conspiracy theorists if they would like, any member of the public. I 
invite them to look into our investigation because I am 100% confident 
that we came to the right conclusions and that we know exactly what 
happened in the Oklahoma City bombing. So people can look at it for the 
next twenty-five years if they want to, there’s not going to be any 
change in the outcome because we know what happened.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There was a Congressman from California that investigated the FBI’s 
investigation into the Oklahoma City bombing, and put different theories
 out there. The Congressman has not found anything that the FBI did not 
find in the course of their investigation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I’m going to say this very carefully, because I would never have any ill
 feelings toward any member of Congress who wanted to look into our 
investigation. I think that is one of the duties Congress has in their 
position. They should do that. But I think they also need to be careful 
in what they put out to the public, and make sure that what they are 
putting out is accurate. When they conduct investigations into things 
like the Oklahoma City bombing then at the end of that investigation 
they need to be very forthright with the American public about what they
 did or did not find. I think Congressmen, conspiracy theorists, any 
member of the public, if they’re going to look into this investigation 
should have the responsibility, after the fact, to report back to the 
American people what they did or did not find.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;i&gt;The FBI concluded that two men, Timothy McVeigh 
and Terry Nichols, planned and carried out the making of the bomb, and 
McVeigh delivered it to it’s destination outside of the Alfred P. Murrah
 Building on the morning of April 19, 1995.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many people have wondered if anyone else accompanied McVeigh to pick up 
the bomb truck at Elliott’s and deliver the truck in front of the Murrah
 Building on the morning of the bombing. The answer might lie in the 
fact no one else was needed.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“With a crime as horrific as the Oklahoma City bombing, it is natural to
 assume that many suspects had to have been involved. However, the 
reality is that one man alone could have carried out the crime. Two men 
were more than enough. Other than uncorroborated and unsubstantiated 
eyewitness testimony, no credible evidence existed that anyone other 
than McVeigh and Nichols were involved.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“McVeigh and Nichols, through the literature they possessed and the 
conversations between themselves and Michael Fortier, as well is others,
 tried to project themselves as patriots and heroes. They were neither.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
They attempted to compare themselves with the likes of Thomas Jefferson 
and Patrick Henry, men of honor. McVeigh and Nichols were neither.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“Their actions are the actions of cowards. Hopefully, our great country and the world will remember them as such.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When all is considered, the simple truth is that Timothy James McVeigh 
and Terry Lynn Nichols tried to satisfy their hatred for the United 
States government by killing innocent men, women, and children in the 
heartland of America. May their&lt;br /&gt;
dastardly and cowardly deed never be repeated – nor forgotten.”&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What do you think the public should know, overall, about the men and women in FBI?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; That’s a broad question, but I’d say that there’s a 
bunch of really good people in the FBI. The people in the FBI are great 
people, they’re wonderful people, family oriented people – tremendously 
so! They try to do the very best they can and they want every bit as 
much as any member of the public to solve crimes that have been 
committed. They will spend hours, and hours, and hours to make sure that
 they’ve investigated the crime thoroughly, and that the right people 
are brought to justice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think the public, at times, may view the FBI as just being this big 
entity that moves forward without regard to feelings. They forget that 
there are actual people inside the FBI who are conducting these 
investigations who have families and friends just like they do. We are 
exactly like they are.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The FBI, sometimes, contributes to this public conception because they 
often times will take the position that they have no comment when the 
news media asks them questions. Well, that can be perceived negatively 
by the news media, and I think often times it is. And when that’s 
reported to the public it’s perceived negatively, when in fact a lot of 
times the FBI cannot comment publicly on an investigation for privacy 
ramifications and rules. That’s kind of just a product of what happens.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just ask the public to consider that we have faces, we have families, 
and we have hearts. People and conspiracy theorists want to hurl stones 
and daggers at us like we’re not people. That we’re somehow this FBI 
entity, not a family, and that couldn’t be further from the truth.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would say that if the public actually knew the FBI investigators that 
are conducting the investigation they’d feel much differently and have 
much more confidence in the investigations that are being conducted and 
they’d realize that FBI Agents are human beings like everybody else and 
they want what’s right, and they want what’s just, and they want to 
conduct the very best investigation that they can. They’re also human 
and from time to time some mistakes are made, and we try to learn from 
those.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; How do you feel about the portrayal of FBI agents on television?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; I don’t watch those shows, personally. I don’t have 
much interest in watching shows about law enforcement. But I would have 
to say that these shows probably give the public a misconception of what
 actually happens in criminal investigations because most of the FBI 
shows you will see solve major crimes in an hour, hour and a half. In 
reality it’s far from that. It takes long hours and you spend a great 
deal of time away from your family. Just like in the Oklahoma City 
investigation. Basically, we were away from our family for the better 
part of three years doing that investigation. So, the public probably 
doesn’t really get a good feel of things like that or the commitment 
level it takes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What makes a good FBI agent?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; A good person. A good person, with a lot of 
perseverance, who is willing to work really long, hard hours, has 
unquestioned integrity, and is just a really good person inside. And 
probably being a really good family person helps out too.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; How did you and Larry Tongate come to write this book?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; I had pretty much decided that I wasn’t going to write one. I really wasn’t sure that it was an appropriate thing to do.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But, there were two gentlemen that I admired and respected a great deal.
 Two federal judges in Oklahoma, who I had, had many cases before in the
 courtroom. They believed a book on the bombing investigation needed to 
be written for the sake of history. They believed that in order to set 
the record straight on the facts of the investigation, there was a 
responsibility to the American people to write one. And, that with the 
position that I had held within the investigation, the obligation to set
 the record straight was mine. I still wasn’t sure that I wanted to 
write a book, but I had a tremendous amount of respect for these two 
men, and what they said got me thinking. There had been other books 
written and they simply were not accurate. McVeigh had a couple of news 
reporters interview him and they had done a book. Maybe the judges were 
right, and maybe from the standpoint of history, it was something that 
needed to be done.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So I called Larry Tongate, Larry was the Lead Case Agent on the Nichols 
side of the investigation, and said, “This is kind of what’s going on, 
what do you think?” We talked about it, and we thought, well, maybe from
 the standpoint of history, and given the fact that we were the closest 
to this investigation we know intimately more than anybody else does. So
 maybe we did have an obligation to do something like this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We agreed that if we did write a book it would have to be non-profit. We
 didn’t want to capitalize or profit off of the bombing or the bombing 
investigation. I would never want the victim families to construe me as a
 profiteer, making money off of their tragedy. I couldn’t look at myself
 if I did that. Let alone what they might think about it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This book is not like a novel that you sit and read, you know. You could
 write a whole book on the inner-workings of the investigation and the 
command post and all the personalities – I would never embark down that 
road. We tried to write this from a standpoint that the reader could 
understand how the investigation went from the inside out, like we did.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The most important thing that we had in our mind was that we wanted the 
victim family members, if they wanted the very best accounting of what 
happened in the investigation, that they would have a place to go get 
it. We wanted to give the victim family members an inside out look at 
the investigation, if they want to look at it; and be able to comfort 
themselves knowing that the investigation was done in a way that they 
could be confident in. That’s really why we wrote the book.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of the Daily Oklahoman news reporters told me after he read the 
book, “Jon, this is a book that will have the same meaning forty years 
from now.” I liked that comment. That was one of the things we were 
trying to accomplish.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some people would say that we could have talked more about the 
conspiracy theories. But myself, I feel like if we had done that we 
would give them more credibility and we wanted to get the truth out 
there.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Who is Bob Burke?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; Bob Burke is an author and an attorney in Oklahoma 
City who has written about fifty books on Oklahoma history, all 
non-profit. He was instrumental in helping Larry and I put this book 
together, and in getting it published. In fact, Bob contributed about 
twenty-five thousand dollars of his own money as a donation to the 
Oklahoma Heritage Association for the purpose of getting this book 
produced.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Did the FBI have any control over the content of the book?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; We did not consult with them when we wrote the book.
 We wrote it, and then we took the manuscript and sent it to them for 
their approval. As an FBI agent you have to submit it to them first for 
their approval and then they vet it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Did the FBI request, or require you to make any 
changes, omit anything, delete anything, or include anything that hadn’t
 already been included?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; They did not ask us to change one thing. Not one thing. They signed off on it without making one single change.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Was there anybody who said that you shouldn’t write the book, or don’t write the book?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; No, no one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; How did the McVeigh and Nichols families feel about it?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; I don’t know, we didn’t converse with them. We 
didn’t write the book from the vantage point of McVeigh and Nichols. So,
 it wasn’t meant to be something that would be understood or placated or
 reviewed by the McVeigh and Nichols families. It really wasn’t written 
with them in mind.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
McVeigh had already, pretty much, had the chance to tell his side of the
 story in a book. I wanted to tell the victim families what really 
happened, and how we figured this all out.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Was there anything that you decided not to include
 in the book, for whatever reason, that in hindsight you wish you had 
included?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; No. There’s not anything in retrospect that we would
 have put in the book that we didn’t. We got in there what we wanted, 
and I think if a reader sits down and reads it with an open mind it will
 be difficult for them to come away without having a better sense of 
confidence in the investigation. That’s what we wanted to accomplish and
 I think we did.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Where do the proceeds from the sale of the book go?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; The proceeds go to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oklahomacitynationalmemorial.org/secondary.php?section=5&amp;amp;catid=117&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oklahomaheritage.com/store/~/About/tabid/56/Default.aspx&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Oklahoma Heritage Association&lt;/a&gt;,
 which is a non-profit organization that is dedicated to preserving 
Oklahoma history. The Oklahoma Heritage Association owns the rights to 
the book, and they funded it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Michelle &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;McKee&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; What final thought would you like readers to leave with?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jon Hersley:&lt;/b&gt; I think crimes that are committed like Oklahoma City
 get their origin from hatred, anger, animosity, and the lack of love 
and kindness in the world. I think the more that we can realize that as a
 people, then the more we can do to keep people from feeling so isolated
 and lonely. I think that the more we can promote love and kindness and 
friendship in the world the better chance we have of keeping crimes of 
this magnitude from being repeated. We also have an obligation to 
protect ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think that when you see these crimes in the high schools, shootings at
 McDonald’s and things of that nature it’s because people are becoming 
isolated from society and they feel like they’re alone. Hatred and 
animosity starts growing in them because of their perceptions about the 
way they’ve been treated by society. Many times, probably most of the 
time those are misperceptions. But those misperceptions are still those 
people’s belief of how they’ve been treated.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Treat people like you would like to be treated yourself, let people know
 that they are loved and we’ll be fine in this society. I think that 
would go a long way. I’m not going to say that it’s going to put a stop 
to all crimes, that would be ridiculous, but I hope that the older that 
we get as a country we will realize more and more that it IS important 
how we treat each other.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I really do believe these things. If we treat people like we want to be 
treated I think the world would be a better place. I’m not always able 
to follow that, but my mother tried to instill that in me. And if I 
could be half the person my mother was by the time I die I think I’d be a
 pretty good person.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;This potential warning label is not far fetched. The direct link 
between Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and crime is no longer a matter of 
scientific dispute.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Children afflicted with full-blown FAS 
display both physical and mental characteristics. Those with partial FAS
 may not have the physical abnormalities, but they display the same 
behavioral and psychological problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect of alcohol on 
the fetal brain is such that this region does not develop sufficiently 
to allow the FAS individual to appropriately control his or her actions.
 As such, FAS patients tend to be impulsive, uninhibited, and fearless. 
They often display poor judgment and are easily distracted. Difficulties
 in perceiving social cues and a lack of sensitivity often cause 
interpersonal problems. FAS patients have difficulties linking events 
with their resulting consequences. These consequences include both the 
physical, e.g. getting burned by a hot stove, and the punitive, e.g. 
being sent to jail for committing a crime. Because of this, it is 
difficult for these individuals to learn from their mistakes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Lacking
 sufficient cognizance of the threat or fear of consequences, the FAS 
patient is less likely to control his or her impulsive behavior. 
Similarly, FAS individuals have trouble comprehending that their 
behavior can affect others. As such, they are unlikely to show true 
remorse or to take responsibility for their actions. These are the very 
attributes that can lead to crime, &quot;They are very impulsive and do 
things that are not well thought out, and they get into significant 
difficulty from that. The malicious intent is seldom there. I find 
they&#39;re exploited by more talented criminals to do some of the running, 
if you like, and they&#39;re more likely to get caught.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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As many as 
half the young offenders appearing in court may be there because their 
mothers drank during pregnancy, says Royal University Hospital 
psychologist Josephine Nanson. Her assessment has tremendous 
implications for how the criminal justice system handles youth in 
custody, says University of Saskatchewan law professor Tim Quigley. 
&quot;It&#39;s analogous to the mental disorder defense, in the sense that we&#39;ve 
said that people who are affected should not be punished in the usual 
criminal justice sense,&quot; he said. &quot;Are these victims just as much 
affected by something over which they have no control, and are they 
deserving of punishment?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Legal Aid Commission lawyer Kearney 
Healy says Nanson&#39;s suggestion strikes to the basic principles of 
criminal justice. &quot;The criminal justice system is based on the premise 
that people understand there are rules, why they have to be obeyed, and 
if they aren&#39;t obeyed then society has the right to come up with any 
number of options,&quot; he said. “All of those things are irrelevant to 
these kids. It&#39;s got nothing to do with good or bad - they just don&#39;t 
see it the same way. Planning, organizing and learning from past 
mistakes are not in their repertoire. They are egocentric, impulsive and
 very concrete in their thinking. Typically they do not make connections
 between cause and effect, anticipate consequences or take the 
perspective of another person.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;There are an increasing number 
of cases reaching the courts because we&#39;ve been diagnosing this for 
about 20 years. Those individuals are now in adolescence and adulthood, 
and at a prime age for when they&#39;re going to be involved in the court 
system,&quot; she said.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;It presents tremendous challenges, and I&#39;m 
not sure the courts always understand.&quot; commented Professor Habbick, 
noted researcher. &quot;Given the strict diagnostic criteria used in the 
study, you&#39;re only looking at the tip of the iceberg. For every full case
 of fetal alcohol syndrome, there are four out there with the partial 
effects.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;All too often, I find there are children who aren&#39;t 
able to moderate their behavior in even the most obvious ways, even when
 there are strong rewards,&quot; said Healy. &quot;Instead, they are doing things 
that are going to cause them a great amount of personal pain, for no 
gain. When I see them, I&#39;ve got to think there&#39;s something going on 
there.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Shirley LeClaire of Social Services&#39; Family Service 
Bureau says &quot;there&#39;s been a longstanding history in our community of not
 giving this the attention it needs. It&#39;s one of the areas where there&#39;s
 not a lot of attention paid, especially fetal alcohol effects, because 
you don&#39;t have the physical attributes,&quot; she said.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;The whole 
area of FAS and fetal alcohol effects is significant because the way 
that our system is set up to deal with kids is obviously not going to 
work for them.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the ironies is that children with FAS 
often make model prisoners, Nanson said. &quot;In terms of the justice system
 handling individuals with this, one of the things they fail to 
understand is that FAS people do very well in structured environments,&quot; 
she said. &quot;Often people are fooled in the early stages of treatment into
 thinking somebody is doing really well, not realizing that they&#39;re 
doing really well because all the opportunities for them not to do well 
are taken care of in a structured program.. There is a point where the 
individual with FAS falls apart again.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Being crazy isn’t against
 the law, but murder is a capitol offense. When the one accused of 
murder is mentally ill, a variety of factors immediately come into play.&lt;br /&gt;
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“Popular
 misconceptions about mental illness are partially responsible for the 
railroading of mentally ill persons through the criminal justice 
system,” states Jeff Reynolds. “From arrest to the determination of 
competency to stand trial and beyond, a person&#39;s mental illness affects 
every stage of passage through the criminal justice system.”&lt;br /&gt;
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“Behavior
 associated with mental illness is often perceived as bizarre and 
suspicious,” insists private investigator Fred Wolfson, “thus drawing 
police attention, even if the person has not committed a crime. 
Untrained to recognize and handle mental illness, arresting officers and
 other staff inappropriately assume the arrestee understands such things
 as their Miranda rights. Mentally ill people are more likely to give a 
false confession, especially if they are delusional.”&lt;br /&gt;
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The concept
 of culpability is an important aspect of who is sentenced to death. 
Culpability signifies qualities such as consciousness, reason, and 
responsibility. It is precisely these qualities that are disabled and 
distorted by mental illness and therefore a gap exists between a 
mentally ill offender&#39;s behavior and his culpability.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you cover up a killing, interfere with an homicide
 investigation, or tamper with a jury, you face hard time in the big 
house. When newspapers, radio and television outlets promulgate false 
and deceptive information leading to the deaths of innocent people, they
 face a good time in the White House – or at least access, and some 
one-on-one interviews with important politicians.&lt;/div&gt;
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What
 we read in the newspaper, see on television, and hear discussed on 
“news/talk” radio is often an absurd mix of distorted opinion, 
misinformation, and outright lies. When such lies result in multiple 
deaths, looking for someone to blame is a common reaction. Blame, 
according to me, is only important to drunks and lawyers. Culpability is
 another matter.&lt;/div&gt;
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I&#39;ve worked in broadcast 
news, and have watched stories mutate between initial report and 
eventual mass media dissemination. If rumor is more entertaining than 
facts, the rumor gets the lead paragraph; the facts are buried in the 
bottom. When it comes to international “incidents,” it is not only facts
 that get buried, but human beings. The bottom line of irresponsible 
journalism is death by headline.&lt;/div&gt;
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If you need an example, an obvious one is the infamous &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Gulf of Tonkin Incident&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.
 The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an 
&quot;unprovoked attack&quot; against a U.S. destroyer on &quot;routine patrol&quot; in the 
Tonkin Gulf on Aug. 2 — and that North Vietnamese PT boats followed up 
with a &quot;deliberate attack&quot; on a pair of U.S. ships two days later.&lt;/div&gt;
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&quot;American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression&quot;, announced a &lt;i&gt;Washington Post&lt;/i&gt;
 headline on Aug. 5, 1964. That same day, the front page of the New York
 Times reported: &quot;President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action 
against gunboats and &#39;certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam&#39; 
after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of 
Tonkin.&quot;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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It was all horse feathers. Johnson 
ordered U.S. bombers to &quot;retaliate&quot; for a North Vietnamese torpedo 
attack that never happened. One of the Navy pilots flying overhead that 
night was squadron commander James Stockdale, &quot;I had the best seat in 
the house to watch that event,&quot; recalled Stockdale a few years ago, &quot;and
 our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets — there were no PT
 boats there.... There was nothing there but black water and American 
fire power.&quot;&lt;/div&gt;
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In 1965, Lyndon Johnson himself confirmed, &quot;For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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In
 the absence of independent journalism, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution — 
the closest thing there ever was to a declaration of war against North 
Vietnam — sailed through Congress on Aug. 7. The resolution authorized 
the president &quot;to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack 
against the forces of the United States and to prevent further 
aggression.&quot;&lt;/div&gt;
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American journalism reported 
official claims as absolute truths when they were not true at all. If 
journalists didn&#39;t know better, if journalists didn&#39;t have access to 
honest accurate information, then there is no culpability in the deaths 
of 50,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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The
 tragedy,of course, is that reporters did have have access to honest 
information, and they kept it quiet. Perhaps they didn&#39;t want to appear 
unpatriotic, or be accused of “not supporting our troops.” Whatever the 
pressure, a pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by 
pliant mass media reluctant to question official pronouncements on 
national security issues.&lt;/div&gt;
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The original role 
of the press, as envisioned by our Founding Fathers, was as watchdogs – 
expose lies, reveal corruption. We were to be mirrors of truth, 
uncontrolled by political or religious special interests. Our only 
interest, as professional journalists, was an unfettered search for 
truth. Get the facts, present them accurately, and let the public decide
 what to do about it.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, my friends, 
here is the brain teaser question of the day: If a news outlet, acting 
as a conduit for government propaganda, knowingly passes on 
misinformation leading to deaths, or having access to contradictory 
information, fails to give that information public exposure when failure
 to do so results in death, does that outlet have culpability?&lt;/div&gt;
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This issue plagues journalists, believe you me. Columnist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beyondthekillingfields.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Sydney Schanberg&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
 warned journalists not to forget &quot;our unquestioning chorus of 
agreeability when Lyndon Johnson bamboozled us with his fabrication of 
the Gulf of Tonkin incident.&quot; Schanberg blamed not only the press but 
also &quot;the apparent amnesia of the wider American public. We Americans 
are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that 
this time the government is telling us the truth.”&lt;br /&gt;
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On
 February 28, 2006, two women who hardly knew each other, Darcy Wall and
 Susan Owen, walked into a Harris County Constable, Precinct Four 
substation together. Darcy was a mother of two children and the wife of a
 pastor at a local Bible church. Susan was a nurse in a pediatrician’s 
office. They had both been close friends and supporters of a woman named
 Laurie Williamson, the mother of three terminally ill children. They 
had little else in common other than a deep and growing fear that the 
children were in danger, and the courage to do something about it. They 
had come to report their friend Laurie for child abuse.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sgt. Mike
 Johnson of the Domestic Violence Unit listened to the two women 
patiently. He could see that their concern was genuine and seemed 
legitimate, but he was initially uncertain of what to do. Darcy and 
Susan believed that Laurie had Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy (MSBP), and 
that she was pretending her children were sicker than they really were. 
It sounded to Johnson like a problem for CPS to handle, but the women 
had already reported the matter to CPS, to no avail. After researching 
MSBP on the internet, Johnson determined that it was indeed a form of 
child abuse that could result in permanent injury or even death. His 
search turned up a news article about a local case of MSBP that had 
recently been prosecuted, Kimberly Sue Austin. Johnson decided to 
contact the prosecutor who handled the case, and that’s where I came in.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I
 had tried Austin less than six months before for injury to a child. She
 had injected her infant son with insulin, almost killing him. Further 
investigation had determined that she had murdered another infant son in
 1993 by either suffocating him or injecting him with insulin. At trial I
 had shown that the two complainants, as well as two other Austin 
children, were victims of MSBP, also known as “factitious disorder by 
proxy,” (FDP), “pediatric condition falsification” (PCF), and, most 
recently “medical child abuse” (MCA). All of these acronyms describe the
 same type of conduct: The intentional exaggeration, fabrication, or 
induction of illness symptoms in a child by the child’s caretaker, 
resulting in unnecessary and harmful or potentially harmful medical 
care.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the Austin case, where the abuse had gone undetected for
 years, this translated into over 400 doctor visits and 
hospitalizations, including several unnecessary invasive tests and 
surgical procedures. Evidence indicated she had poisoned the children, 
injected them with insulin, and even smothered them almost to death. 
Kimberly Austin had even been caught putting Coca-Cola in her son’s IV 
in the hospital.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Realizing the danger posed to the children after
 discussing the case with Mike Johnson, I told him that we needed to 
take swift action and offered to help him with the investigation. But I 
also had a warning for him: “I hope you’re ready to work.” MCA 
prosecutions were notoriously difficult and time-consuming. From 
experience I knew this was going to be no easy task.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We began by 
issuing grand jury subpoenas to every health care entity we knew of that
 had seen the children. Then Johnson started taking statements and 
collecting letters from various friends, family members, and other 
individuals who had knowledge of what was going on in the Williamson 
household. The picture that emerged was disturbing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Laurie 
Williamson had three children: Tom, age 11, Roger, age 9, and Chrissy, 
age 6. They wore diapers since none of them were potty trained, and Tom 
and Chrissy were confined to wheelchairs and had g-buttons through which
 liquid formula could be pumped directly into their stomachs. Laurie 
told everyone that the children had mitochondrial disease and a 
regressive neurological disorder, among other ailments, and that they 
were not expected to live beyond their teens. The Williamson household 
was dark, with heavy shades on the windows, and Laurie kept the 
temperature at 62° because she said the children were sensitive to heat 
and light. Consequently she kept them indoors and rarely allowed them 
outside to play. All three children were on numerous prescription 
medications meant to control a host of different problems. Chrissy’s had
 to be administered through her g-button as she was never allowed to eat
 or drink anything by mouth. Laurie said she had a swallowing disorder 
and would choke.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of the first things Sgt. Johnson obtained 
was a pair of letters from the children’s pediatrician. The first, dated
 January 10, 2006, and addressed “To Whom It May Concern,” listed out 
all the problems with which the three children had supposedly been 
diagnosed. Tom, for instance, had “mitochondrial disorder, metabolic 
disorder, neurological regression syndrome, global developmental delay, 
seizure disorder, hypotonia, status post history of failure to thrive, 
gastrointestinal malabsorption, gastro-esophageal reflux, esophagitis, 
status post gastric-button placement, hypothyroidism, hypotension, 
urinary incontinence, stool incontinence, heat intolerance due to poor 
thermoregulation from the metabolic disease state, attention 
deficit/hyperactivity disorder, Tourette’s syndrome, decreased acoustic 
reflexes in the right ear, obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety 
disorder, pragmatic language disorder, decreasing IQ scores, sensory 
integration disorder, auditory processing disorder, and poor immune 
function.” Her assessment of Roger and Chrissy was similar.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 
second letter, written just a few weeks later on March 1, 2006, 
represented a 180-degree turn. “It has recently come to my attention 
that there are several extremely serious issues in regards to the health
 of the children and the possibility of Munchausen’s Syndrome as well as
 Munchausen’s Syndrome by proxy with this family.” Now even the 
pediatrician, who had been fooled by Laurie for eight years, could 
finally see that things were not adding up. The children, still in 
Laurie’s care, were in grave danger. The situation called for immediate 
action.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I asked Sgt. Johnson to contact CPS and try to get the 
children removed from Laurie’s custody. Prosecuting MCA cases requires a
 multi-disciplinary, team approach, with cooperation between law 
enforcement, health care workers, and CPS. CPS had investigated at least
 five previous referrals that Laurie Williamson was neglecting or 
abusing her children, but each time, she had been able to convince the 
caseworker that her children were genuinely ill and that she was doing 
the best she could to take care of them. If we were ever to prove that 
Laurie Williamson was medically abusing her children, we would have to 
enforce what pediatricians refer to as “therapeutic separation” to see 
if the victims got better once they were out of the perpetrator’s care. 
Therapeutic separation is always the ultimate proof of MCA. If the 
children’s health problems abruptly resolved themselves away from 
Laurie, it would be the most powerful piece of evidence I could offer in
 court.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On March 20, 2006, after an emergency meeting that Sgt. 
Johnson and I attended with CPS officials and caseworkers, CPS took 
emergency custody of Tom, Roger, and Chrissy. Shortly thereafter, they 
were admitted to the hospital for observation. With MSBP as their 
working diagnosis, the attending physicians weaned the children off of a
 multitude of prescription drugs their mother had been giving them, 
ordered the removal of the g-buttons from Tom and Chrissy, and 
eventually discharged them all in excellent health, having ruled out 
almost all of the diagnoses their pediatrician had mentioned in her 
January 10 letter. Chrissy ate solid food for the first time in her life
 without any problem swallowing. Other than some behavioral issues, they
 were in perfect health.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The question now was: With what offense 
could we charge Laurie Williamson? Munchausen syndrome by proxy and 
medical child abuse are not offenses. After reading the final discharge 
report from the hospital and the statements taken by Sgt. Johnson, I was
 confident I could prove that she had endangered her children according 
to the broad definition of Tex.Pen.Code 22.041. But the state jail 
felony punishment range hardly seemed appropriate in this situation. In 
most cases of MSBP, the perpetrator is caught personally harming the 
children in some way: Smothering them, injecting or poisoning them, 
tampering with medical equipment, or even deliberately trying to infect 
them. Sometimes – if doctors are suspicious – the offense may even be 
covertly recorded on video. These acts usually fit the definition of 
injury to a child under Tex.Pen.Code 22.04.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But in the case of 
Laurie Williamson, we did not even have an affirmative act, much less 
one caught on video. Clearly, the children had suffered unspeakably at 
her hands, but how could we hold her responsible? I began discussing the
 case with Dr. Reena Isaac, a pediatrician specializing in child abuse 
and a member of the Child Protection Team at Texas Children’s Hospital. 
Dr. Isaac would prove to be my right hand, my “security blanket,” and an
 indispensable help throughout the prosecution. I explained the 
situation to Dr. Isaac and the charging dilemma it represented. She 
pointed out that the children had undergone numerous unnecessary tests 
and even surgeries under Laurie’s care and with her consent. As we 
brainstormed, an idea began to form in my mind: Could an unnecessary 
surgery constitute injury to a child? I went over the legal definitions 
with Dr. Isaac, including “serious bodily injury.” Her response was 
swift and certain: Any procedure involving general anesthesia created “a
 substantial risk of death,” and the surgery itself could cause “serious
 permanent disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the 
function of any bodily member or organ.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But doctors had actually
 performed the surgeries, not Laurie Williamson. Were we going to claim 
their conduct was criminal, as well? I turned to a little used 
subsection of the law of parties, Tex.Pen.Code 7.02(a)(1).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(a) A person is criminally responsible for an offense committed by the conduct of another if:&lt;br /&gt;
(1)
 acting with the kind of culpability required for the offense, he causes
 or aids an innocent or nonresponsible person to engage in conduct 
prohibited by the definition of the offense.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My theory of culpability for Laurie would therefore involve proving three things:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. That the surgeries were medically unnecessary.&lt;br /&gt;
2. That the surgeries met all the elements of injury to a child with serious bodily injury.&lt;br /&gt;
3. That Laurie Williamson intentionally and knowingly caused the surgeries.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I
 was so focused on proving this novel theory that it did not even occur 
to me that I was attempting to do something never before done in the 
prosecution of a medical child abuse case: Secure a conviction based 
solely on unnecessary surgical procedures.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first step would 
be to subpoena all of the medical records for all three children and 
Laurie Williamson, too. I included her records because a significant 
number of MCA perpetrators also exaggerate, fabricate, or induce 
symptoms in themselves. This would turn out to be true in Laurie 
Williamson’s case as well. For the next several months, I issued grand 
jury subpoenas and Sgt. Johnson dutifully served them. To minimize 
duplication and confusion, we agreed that CPS, represented by the Harris
 County Attorney’s Office, would serve as a central repository for all 
records obtained, and that Sgt. Johnson would have his office scan in 
the records as PDF files and put them on CD-ROMs. The process was 
time-consuming and exhaustive, but eventually we got most of the records
 we wanted. They totaled over 40,000 pages.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I then began going 
through the records to create a chronology of medical contacts in the 
form of a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. I owe a debt of gratitude to 
several interns, most notably Amanda Johnston, who assisted in this 
tedious, eye-straining, mind-numbing task. On the spreadsheet, I entered
 the date, the name of the patient, the type of event (phone call, 
office visit, admission, etc.), the provider, and the complaint and 
diagnosis, if any. When I finished, I had documented nearly 600 doctor 
visits, hospitalizations, phone calls and other contacts for Laurie 
Williamson and her children. I did not even include the speech, 
occupational, and physical therapy all three children received at home 
three times a week.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Next, I catalogued the records for easy 
reference and had Sgt. Johnson scan almost three dozen statements and 
letters from various witnesses. To prove my case I was going to need 
experts; specifically, pediatricians specializing in the recognition and
 treatment of child abuse. They would need to review all of the records 
in order to form opinions as to whether the children were victims of 
medical child abuse and whether the surgeries in question were 
necessary. I already had in mind the physicians I wanted: If I was going
 to ask a jury to send Laurie Williamson to prison based on expert 
testimony, then I needed that testimony to come from some of the 
foremost pediatricians in the country.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I did not want to rely 
solely on experts, however. After reviewing the records, I began 
tracking down the actual doctors who had recommended and performed 
surgeries on the children. After talking to Dr. Isaac, I was targeting 
three procedures: A g-button placement/muscle biopsy and vagal nerve 
stimulator implantation performed on Tom, and a g-button 
placement/nissen fundoplication performed on Chrissy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Going into 
the case, like many people, I believed that there would always be some 
“test” or other objective basis before a doctor would perform a surgery.
 When I contacted the treating physicians, I asked them for any 
objective data that supported the surgeries, independent of information 
that came from the mother. To them, the question made no sense. 
Pediatricians rely almost exclusively on the history given by the 
child’s caretaker. They assume that the caretaker is telling the truth 
because the caretaker wants the child to get better. Clinical tests, 
while useful, are seldom as conclusive as we would hope, and will almost
 never by themselves justify a surgery. The history from the caretaker 
and any objective results or observations are given equal weight and are
 considered indistinguishable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the case of the Williamson 
children, I discovered that there were almost no test results or 
objective bases for the surgeries that could not have somehow been 
manipulated by Laurie Williamson. The gastrostomy tube, or “g-button” 
surgeries, in which Tom and Chrissy had feeding tubes implanted into 
their stomachs to supply them with formula, had been performed because 
they were failing to thrive. Although the children had been losing 
weight and were not growing and developing properly, this could have 
been caused by simple malnutrition rather that some rare metabolic 
disorder. The vagal nerve stimulator had been implanted in Tom to help 
control persistent epileptic seizures. But, while a few EEGs had been 
abnormal and suggestive of seizures, no actual seizure had ever been 
recorded, despite repeated and lengthy tests. Instead, the surgery had 
been performed due to Laurie Williamson’s reports that Tom was having up
 to ten seizures a day despite being prescribed powerful anti-seizure 
medications. Dr. Isaac and other physicians confirmed that none of the 
surgeries appeared to have been medically necessary and that Laurie 
Williamson appeared to have been pushing the doctors to perform them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In
 April of 2007, once I was satisfied that I had met all the elements, I 
presented the case to a grand jury, which indicted Laurie Williamson for
 two cases of injury to a child with serious bodily injury and three 
cases of endangering a child. The injury cases represented two of Tom’s 
surgeries, while the lesser endangering cases covered the broad 
mistreatment each Williamson child had experienced. To give the charges 
teeth, I alleged the scalpel as a deadly weapon in the injury cases, 
which seemed appropriate since it was the instrument used to inflict 
needless suffering on Tom. Sgt. Johnson and I tracked down Laurie, who 
had moved into a shelter for battered women after losing her children, 
and arrested her – at a doctor’s office, of course. And while there is 
no evidence to suggest Williamson was ever a victim of domestic 
violence, she frequently claimed to be the victim of physical, sexual, 
and emotional abuse at the hands of various people, including her 
ex-husband, parents, and sister.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
With the defendant in custody, I
 began preparation for trial in earnest. While some doctors were already
 on board, I knew I would need more experts. After all, if I was going 
to be asking a jury to send Laurie Williamson to prison based on opinion
 testimony, it only seemed fair to present them with the very best 
expert opinions I could find. After obtaining approval to hire experts 
from my supervisors, I recruited two teams, composed of some of the 
foremost experts on child abuse in the nation. The first team 
represented Texas Children’s Hospital and Baylor College of Medicine and
 would consist of Dr. Reena Isaac and Dr. Joan Shook. The second team 
would represent Children’s Memorial Hermann Hospital and the University 
of Texas Medical School and would consist of Dr. Rebecca Girardet, Dr. 
Margaret McNeese, Dr. Sheela Lahoti, Dr. Kim Cheung, and Dr. Christopher
 Greeley. The teams would operate independently and would each form 
their own opinions after reviewing the records. Within the teams, I 
allowed the physicians to consult with each other, share opinions, and 
divide the responsibilities however they saw fit.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I supplied each
 team member with a packet of materials: Seven CD-ROMs containing all 
the medical records on Laurie Williamson and her children; the completed
 “Chronology of Events” spreadsheet summarizing the contacts; a catalog 
of the CD-ROM contents; a page of legal definitions; a brief set of 
instructions, and; a list of questions they were to answer. I included 
on the CD-ROMs copies of all the letters and statements Sgt. Johnson had
 collected and instructed my experts to review them, as well, and give 
them whatever weight they wanted in arriving at their opinions. Just 
like a forensic pathologist trying to determine a cause of death, they 
would not be confined to looking at the body only; they could consider 
outside sources of information as well. My goal was to have my experts 
base their opinions, as closely as possible on the same body of evidence
 with which the jury would be presented. Lastly, I gave my experts a 
deadline about six months away. Just like lawyers, doctors tend to 
procrastinate, and I knew my experts would need plenty of time to review
 the records properly, especially with their busy schedules. I also knew
 that the defense attorneys would need time to have experts of their own
 review the records, so a quick trial setting would not do.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In an
 effort to streamline the process, I made a proposal to the defense that
 had worked well in the Austin case: I would give them CD-ROM copies of 
everything: Medical records, witness statements…everything. In return, 
all I asked was that they stipulate to the authenticity of the records 
under Texas Rule of Evidence 902. This served two purposes: First, it 
would save me the trouble of filing the records with the clerk 14 days 
in advance of trial, and, second, it would satisfy my duty to disclose 
exculpatory evidence. While the records held no earth-shattering proof 
of innocence, they contained many facts that could be argued to be 
exculpatory. Perpetrators of MCA are clever, and often they merely 
exaggerate symptoms that are really present in the child. The Williamson
 children had undergone countless tests, the vast majority of which were
 normal, but some of which were either abnormal or inconclusive. 
Finally, on some occasions, they really had been sick. The last thing I 
wanted was to be accused of hiding evidence. The defense would only be 
stipulating to authenticity; they reserved the right to object to items 
within the records.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It took more than a year for the case to come
 to trial, but on April 4, 2008, we began. I was privileged to have 
sitting with me Kate Dolan, a veteran prosecutor in our office and one 
of my colleagues in the Major Fraud division. Kate brought fresh insight
 and experience to the table, and was vital to the success of the case. 
The trial lasted four weeks and we called over three dozen witnesses. 
Many were former friends of Laurie who had helped and supported her over
 the years. These were churchgoing, traditional, stay-at-home mothers, 
some of whom had special needs children of their own, and all of whom 
had felt compassion for Laurie. When I made contact with them prior to 
trial, I expected them to be ambivalent, perhaps even tearful about the 
prosecution, and I tread delicately. When I asked if they were 
comfortable with the fact that I would be asking the jury to send their 
friend Laurie to prison, their cool, matter-of-fact responses left an 
indelible impression upon me. To a woman, every one of these 
Bible-studying soccer moms firmly and resolutely wanted Laurie locked up
 – for as long as possible. While their support was a welcome surprise, I
 was still taken aback at the cold-blooded, dispassionate attitude. Only
 later would I understand why they showed no mercy for Laurie: They knew
 firsthand what she had done to the children. And it was awful.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At
 trial, the evidence proved that for a period of approximately six 
years, Laurie Williamson had systematically starved and overmedicated 
her children in an effort to simulate and induce the symptoms of various
 illnesses. At the same time, she had failed to teach, train, and 
nurture her children, while exposing them to countless unnecessary tests
 and invasive procedures. The result was that Tom, Roger, and Chrissy 
appeared to be chronically ill and developmentally disabled, unable to 
perform basic tasks or physically take care of themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 
defendant told people that her children were terminally ill, that they 
had a mitochondrial disorder, and that they were not expected to live 
beyond their teens. She often said these things in their presence. The 
motive for the abuse was to gain sympathy, support, and financial 
contributions from various people and entities, including the 
government. Laurie Williamson, who was unemployed, lived off of a 
combination of child support, disability benefits for her children from 
the Social Security Administration, and donations from her friends. From
 2000-2005, she received more than $150,000 from fellow church members 
(at different churches) and even more than that in donated goods and 
services. In 2004, with the help of the children’s pediatrician, she had
 even gotten a free trip to Disneyworld, paid for by the Make-a-Wish 
Foundation. When the investigation began, she was in the process of 
trying to raise over $300,000 to purchase a new, wheelchair-accessible 
home and van.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The only problem was that none of it was true. The 
children were not terminally ill, they did not have any kind of 
mitochondrial disorder, nor did they have any of the absurd list of 
illnesses she recited during her fundraising efforts. This list of 
ailments, which she had her pediatrician include in the January, 2006 
letter quoted above, were possible diagnoes she had “collected” over the
 years from various physicians and specialists. She represented them as 
confirmed when in fact, in many instances they had actually been ruled 
out. Muscle biospies and other tests for the mitochondrial disorder, for
 example, had all been either negative or inconclusive.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Laurie 
Williamson’s deceptions did not go completely unnoticed. As far back as 
2000, teachers and counselors at Tom’s school became concerned that the 
once bright, playful preschooler became thin, malnourished, and 
lethargic. They testified that he seemed “zoned-out” and that they were 
concerned that the defendant was overmedicating him, especially after he
 improved during a stay with his grandparents. During a meeting about 
Tom, these school officials discussed the possiblity of MSBP. They 
decided to begin weighing Tom on a regular basis, and even took the 
extraordinary step of drafting a letter to two of his physicians, 
expressing their concerns. However, the letter was never sent due to 
concerns school administrators had about liability.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Laurie 
Williamson responded in the same way she always did when suspicions 
arose: By cutting contact with the suspicious party. She transferred Tom
 to a different school and ultimately withdrew him entirely, saying she 
was going to home-school him. She repeated this pattern with anyone who 
questioned her: Her husband, her friends and neighbors, her parents and 
sister, her fellow church members. And while few doctors ever doubted 
her, if they did she moved on quickly, using HIPPA as a shield and 
refusing to sign information releases. In 2002, for instance, after 
physicians at Texas Children’s Hospital became suspicious of possible 
MSBP, Laurie Williamson moved on to specialists at Children’s Memorial 
Hermann Hospital.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many who had regular contact with the 
Williamson family, particularly the therapists who saw the children 
twice a week and measured their progress, noted that Laurie Williamson 
seemed to seek out new equipment and diagnoses for the children and 
consistently downplayed and minimized their progress. She was adamant 
that Roger needed a g-button like his siblings, even though he ate 
normally when allowed to without any problems. Once, after he had gained
 weight at a doctor visit, Laurie came home furious, vowing ominously 
that he would lose weight before his next visit.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For two years, 
neurologists, geneticists, and other specialists in the UT system 
puzzled over the Williamson children, baffled by the wide array of 
symptoms their mother described. In August of 2004, Laurie Williamson, 
who had undergone a biopsy herself, received good news: She did not have
 mitochondrial disorder herself, and therefore she could not have passed
 the maternally inherited disease to her children. She continued, 
nevertheless, to represent the opposite to everyone else. In January of 
2005, she brought the children to one of their last office visits, where
 the UT geneticists wrote that their observations of the children were 
“inconsistent with the condition the mother describes” and expressed 
concern about any further invasive testing. They recommended one final, 
simple urine test to determine if the children might have a rare 
regressive disorder, though they deemed it unlikely. Laurie Williamson, 
faced with the prospect of what she knew would be a negative result, 
never brought them in for the test.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Instead, she experienced a 
series of major health crises herself, culminating in some seizures 
that, despite being diagnosed as psychosomatic, somehow resulted in her 
almost complete paralysis. It was at this point, in the spring of 2005, 
that her scheme fell apart. Multiple witnesses saw Laurie Williamson 
using limbs she earlier had claimed were paralyzed, and a lengthy EEG 
during her hospitalization detected no seizure activity. During one 
supposed seizure, a friend who was present asked a nurse at Williamson’s
 bedside if she was going to do anything to help her. “She’ll breathe 
when she needs to,” replied the nurse, and walked away.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now that 
she was pretending to be disabled, the defendant and her children needed
 24-hour care. A platoon of supporters began coming into the house to 
cook and clean for Laurie. With these kind-hearted women feeding the 
children and making sure Chrissy had plenty of formula in her feeding 
pump, the Williamson children thrived at long last. Chrissy, a five 
year-old who wore size 18 month/2T clothing, doubled her weight, gaining
 25 pounds in six months. It became impossible to hide the fact that the
 kids were not disabled and did not need all the expensive medical 
equipment that Laurie Williamson had obtained for them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chrissy 
had weighed just 15 pounds on her second birthday. Experts testified 
that, with a feeding pump to regulate her nutrition intake 24 hours a 
day and in the absence of a metabolic disorder, the only explanation for
 Chrissy’s small size and failure to thrive was that her mother was 
starving her.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The defendant, however, was still trying to raise 
funds, soliciting TV shows like “Extreme Home Makeover” and others to 
help in her efforts to build a new house. Donations were pouring in as 
generous people offered to pay bills. Concerned that the government 
might see the donations as income and cut off her disability benefits, 
the defendant asked one supporter, Paula Pedrick, to open a second, 
secret bank account in which to hide cash contributions. Alarmed and 
uncomfortable, Pedrick refused. As the inconsistencies and lies piled 
up, some of the women began comparing notes. Finally, a few of them, led
 by Darcy Wall, approached Laurie with a proposal: Laurie should select a
 “Wisdom Team” of people she trusted. They would organize help in the 
home, provide emotional support, and assist in raising and directing 
funds. All they asked in return was financial transparency and 
accountability. Laurie refused.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Shortly thereafter, Susan Owen, a
 nurse for the Williamson family pediatrician and longtime friend of 
Laurie, visited the house for the first time in several months. Her 
friendship with Laurie had cooled recently as Susan saw things that 
disturbed her. Now she was astounded to see Tom and Chrissy, who were 
supposed to be wheelchair-bound, running and playing. The therapists 
testified that the children consistently behaved worse when the 
defendant was around, and that, rather than excited, the defendant 
appeared unhappy when they reported the achievement of a goal or 
milestone, often making the excuse that the child was “having a good 
day” and minimizing the progress. With the help of their physical 
therapists and without their mother around to hinder and undermine them,
 all three children had made progress by leaps and bounds. Susan 
realized at long last that her friend had been lying to her. A few weeks
 later, she and Darcy went to the police and set in motion the string of
 events that would lead to the trial.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the trial, the jury was 
allowed to see the “big picture,” including extraneous offenses and bad 
acts the defendant had committed against all three children, as proof of
 her motive to make the children sick. My experts testified that the 
children were the victims of MCA, that the surgeries were medically 
unnecessary, and that they fit the legal definition of injury to a 
child. Even the doctors who had prescribed and performed the surgeries 
acknowledged that they would not have done so knowing then what they 
knew now. My experts further testified that Laurie Williamson had 
simulated cyanotic episodes in Chrissy by smothering her when she was 
just six weeks old, and that, essentially, she had used the health care 
system to torture her children.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
With the help of Juan DeAnda, a 
graphic artist in our IT department, I created a timeline, based on the 
“Chronology of Events” spreadsheet, that represented all of the nearly 
600 medical contacts for the Williamson family from the birth of each 
child. The timeline chart vividly illustrated how the contacts increased
 in frequency as the years passed, especially after the birth of Chrissy
 in 1999 and the separation and divorce of Laurie from her husband in 
2000. In 2001, when the surgeries in question had taken place, Tom had 
spent a total of more than two months in the hospital. The 
hospitalizations and office visits had continued, usually at least one 
per week, until 2005, when they abruptly tapered off after Laurie 
Williamson’s supposed medical problems began. In March of 2006, I noted 
the removal of the children by CPS with a bold, red line. In the two 
years since their removal, the children had combined for a grand total 
of four office visits to doctors, three of them for routine checkups. 
The point was obvious: Therapeutic separation had worked. The children 
were completely healthy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At last, after nearly a month of trial, 
it was time for the jury to decide the case. Following about seven hours
 of deliberation, the jury convicted Laurie Williamson of both cases of 
injury to a child for the g-button and VNS surgeries performed on Tom. 
During closing argument on punishment, I appealed to the jurors not to 
give Laurie Williamson a “mother’s discount” just because she had harmed
 her own children. Kate Dolan pointed out that the scars the abuse had 
left on the outside of the children were nothing compared to the scars 
it had left on the inside, and that they would be dealing with the 
trauma of the abuse for years to come. I also reminded them of the 
testimony from the trial that neither MCA, MSBP, nor any of the other 
acronyms they had heard about represented any kind of mental illness. 
Many people assume that anyone who harms their own children must be 
“crazy.” But Laurie Williamson had been evaluated multiple times by 
psychologists and psychiatrists, and had been found completely sand and 
mentally competent. Even her own experts agreed she was rational, 
intelligent, and free of any psychosis or mental disease. Whether you 
called it “Medical Child Abuse” or “Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy,” the 
conduct was simply another form of child abuse. Like other MCA 
perpetrators, Laurie Williamson knew exactly what she was doing, but 
chose to engage in the behavior in order to satisfy her greed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But
 in spite of our efforts, faced with a probation-eligible, first 
offender, female in a wheelchair, the jury returned a verdict of 15 
years. Undoubtedly some of the women who had trusted and supported 
Laurie over the years were disappointed in the verdict and thought she 
deserved more time. Fifteen years seemed a paltry sentence compared to 
the years she stole from her children. Instead of a childhood filled 
with joy and wonder, the Williamson children had a childhood filled with
 tubes, wires, needles, and the hopeless, looming prospect of an early 
death. But I reminded Darcy, Susan, Paula, and the others that, had it 
not been for their courage, the Williamson children would still be in 
that house today. They were far better mothers to the children than 
Laurie ever was. And with an affirmative finding of a deadly weapon, 
Laurie Williamson will have plenty of time in prison to reflect on that 
fact.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Mike
 Trent was the assistant district attorney with the Harris County 
District Attorney&#39;s Office, where he began working in 1994. He has tried over 100 felony jury
 trials and was assigned to the Special Crimes Bureau, Major 
Fraud Division, where he handled primarily white collar crime. A native 
Texan, Mr. Trent graduated with a B.A. in English from the University of
 Texas at Austin in 1991, and received his J.D. from the University of 
Texas at Austin School of Law in 1994. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;A passion for prosecuting child abuse 
cases&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;, Mr. Trent is the co-author of &lt;b&gt;Investigation and Prosecution of Child Sexual Abuse&lt;/b&gt;
 (2d Ed., TDCAA 2007). He has three children and resides in Texas. Mr. Trent believes that good and evil are not simplistic
 concepts and that the struggle between the two forces goes on every 
day...especially in the courtroom.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;The article first appeared on the true crime website In Cold Blog on 
June 5, 2008 and was subsequently published in the July - August 2008 
Edition of &quot;&lt;b&gt;The Texas Prosecutor&lt;/b&gt;,&quot;
 The Official Journal of the Texas District and County Attorneys 
Association.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;
</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/7688789341467120413'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/7688789341467120413'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2011/12/medical-child-abuse-prosecutorial-first.html' title='Medical Child Abuse: A Prosecutorial First'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj22enb88lfXgRPQHlI0uSGojFhWXfpnGYX9rZb8z9a_dtd1lkKsYsSTM389kSjWZO-RSlGNJfPETRAqLyJbq4zis7CEDI5ljDa-_NSjPL7JFVnCVKIQdSMjz7RciTSqbH232nefEgmCuoK/s72-c/Med+Abuse.jpg" height="72" width="72"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-668296420147267138.post-2718107149886269976</id><published>2011-11-27T22:55:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-08-17T22:55:53.720-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Death Penalty"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Michelle McKee"/><title type='text'>Florence Small Lost Her Head</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;The defense made a valiant effort on Frederick Small’s behalf.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Proclaiming that he was in Boston at the time,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;
&lt;i&gt;and had witnesses to the fact. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;There was undeniable proof that he wasn’t near the cottage,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;when it burned into the ground. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;And he had absolutely nothing to do with the body that they found. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;He could not, would not, did not murder his wife. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;Yet in jail he sat, on trial for his life.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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The
 normal nighttime twinkle of lights from the little cottage that sat on 
the shore of Lake Ossipee, in the village of Mountain View, New 
Hampshire, had been replaced with the roaring flames of an incendiary 
fire. One set to erase all evidence of the murder that had been 
committed there and reduce the body of Mrs. &lt;b&gt;Florence Small&lt;/b&gt; to little more than bone and ash.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Foiling
 the plot of what was expected to be a perfect crime; the floor beneath 
Mrs. Small’s body gave way during the fire and she fell into the 
basement below, fortuitously landing in a little pool of water that had 
collected there.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A cord bound tightly about her neck, a skull 
fractured by numerous blows, and a bullet wound to the forehead told the
 ghastly tale of the fate that had been bestowed upon Florence Small. 
She had not met her death by succumbing to the smoke and flame, but 
rather to a cold blooded killing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In an effort to eradicate all signs of his crime her killer had applied a resin of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.degussa-history.com/geschichte/en/inventions/thermite.html&quot;&gt;thermite&lt;/a&gt;
 to his victim’s body and sprinkled it about the scene. The compound, 
typically used in welding to generate an extremely high heat, was 
intended to fuel a fire so hot that it would incinerate the body, the 
house, and any evidence that remained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
An onlooker who had stood 
by to watch as the bungalow burned stated that they had peered through a
 window upon arriving at the fiery cottage and believed they bore 
witness to Florence Small’s body partially suspended from the bed by a 
rope.&lt;br /&gt;
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After the embers cooled, an alarm clock, some wire, spark plugs and a .32 caliber revolver were
 found amid the debris in the burned-out rubble of the Small’s summer 
home. The same caliber bullet was retrieved from Florence’s head.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The
 assailant stood above her as Florence lie prone on her back, and it was
 from that angle that he had shot her, the medical examiner said. And 
while the head shot would have eventually proven to be fatal, the 
thrashing she took to her skull most likely would not. However, the 
medical examiner presented, it wasn’t the fire, the gunshot or the blows
 to the head that had killed her. She had died from strangulation, 
instead. In his professional opinion, after suffering through a beating 
and being shot in the head, he estimated that Florence succumbed to the 
ligature around her neck, finally asphyxiated, and five minutes later 
was dead.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A Boston broker, &lt;b&gt;Frederick Small&lt;/b&gt; was 
Florence’s husband. Out of town when the fire broke at 10pm that night, 
he had left for Boston at 3pm earlier in the day, just after lunch. But 
despite being away from the scene at the time, Florence’s loving husband
 became the primary suspect in her case.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Frederick had been married twice before. His previous love, second wife &lt;b&gt;Laura Patterson Small&lt;/b&gt;,
 had granted his request for a divorce. Frederick came briefly into the 
public eye when he sued her paramour for the alienation of lovely 
Laura’s affections. The man in her life, Frederick Small alleged, was 
none other than millionaire baseball executive, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Soden&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Arthur H. Soden&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, president of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League&quot;&gt;National League&lt;/a&gt;.
 Frederick Small wanted A. H. Soden to pay for his crime of the heart. 
He wanted $500,000 in damages for the loss of his lady love. He also 
alleged that Soden had drugged both he and his Laura, leaving them 
unconscious within their own home. Awarded a pittance compared to that 
which he coveted, a mere $10,000 was all that Frederick was deemed to 
receive.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the night of the fire, following the dispatch of news
 regarding the death of his wife, a physician inquired of Frederick as 
to what should be done with her remains. “Why?” Frederick asked the good
 doctor, “is there enough left of the body to require a casket?”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The
 state believed Frederick concocted some kind of infernal machine. One 
that employed the spark plugs and wires and ignited gasoline, the fuse 
had been set with a timed device that he had formed with the alarm clock
 that they had found. They believed that he had killed his wife after 
lunch, some time near mid-afternoon, and then rigged the device to 
ignite the fuse after he had already left town.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Upon his return 
from Boston, Small proffered a theory that his wife had been murdered by
 a tramp or a thief, and then offered up a $1,000 reward for the capture
 of the person who had ended her life.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The police didn’t buy it; 
they believed that Frederick Small was their man and they surmised that a
 $20,000 life insurance policy was the reason he hatched his plan. The 
grieving widower was arrested in his hotel room and carted off to jail. 
From there he made the arrangements to bury his beloved.&lt;br /&gt;
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After
 being acquainted for only ten days, Florence and Frederick had now been
 married for five years. Her husband spared no expense when it came to 
burying his beautiful wife. Ninety-eight dollars he spent, covering half
 of a plot, a paltry casket and a few flowers. He requested no 
formalities that required any additional attention – such as a 
headstone, grave marker or service. For her burial only one gift of 
flowers was received. A wreath, arranged in white and sent by her 
husband with an inscription that read, “To My Love.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When 
Frederick returned to New Hampshire and was questioned by police waiting
 there he stated that he bade Florence farewell and that she was still 
in the house when he left. The driver who took him to the station for 
his trip concurred with Mr. Small; he saw for himself Frederick turn 
toward the door and heard him say “Good-bye” to Mrs. Small. The driver, 
however, admitted that he didn’t personally lay eyes on Florence at the 
time nor had he heard her voice at all.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of Florence’s 
previous physician’s came in from Massachusetts. He stepped forward and 
offered up evidence of some possible prior abuse. The physician 
recounted an exchange from Frederick as Florence was being treated for 
injuries. Her husband boastfully quipped, said the doctor, “I hit her in
 the head with a bootjack. I ought to have killed her and I will yet.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The
 mother of the victim had very little to say, but opined Frederick to be
 a “fear-inspiring hypnotist.” He is, she said, a man “without a drop of
 the milk of human kindness in his heart,” her Florence had feared him 
for years.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As the trial proceeded forward the jury took a field 
trip to the scene of the crime. And with an opportunity advantages to a 
public display of remorse, Fredrick Small broke with the composure that 
was the trademark throughout his ordeal and collapsed into a fit of 
tears. He howled and wailed at the site of his burned house. “Oh my dear
 wife,” he cried. Unable to hold himself up, he had to be propped up by 
the sherriff at his side. For the most part, the jurors ignored 
Frederick Small and his histrionic outbursts, but occasionally one would
 cast a gaze in the direction of his pitiful tear filled sobs and 
proclamations of grief.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But the most dreadfully alarming piece of
 evidence, by far, came in dramatic fashion at the trial’s climax; when 
the prosecution presented, for the visceral response of the jury, a 
hideous and frightful display. Florence Small’s severed head. What 
Frederick didn’t know, as they buried his wife, was that the prosecution
 had obtained an order to remove his bride’s head and have it placed in 
their possession for safe keeping. A few other portions and parts had 
also been plucked for possible use at his trial and they were being kept
 cozy and well preserved in alcohol filled jars nearby.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The
 judge suggested that women leave the courtroom, as Florence’s head was 
produced. Eight fair lasses remained seated, and craned their necks with
 the rest of the court’s observers as the prosecution’s gruesome exhibit
 was displayed. A gasp went through the courtroom and Frederick Small 
covered his face. He sobbed into his hands as a witness described in 
detail the current state of his wife’s face. Her features had been 
distorted by fire and frozen in time by death; the neck was still 
attached and encircled by the knotted cord that took her life. There was
 clearly a gunshot wound to her forehead and her skull had been cracked 
and damaged by at least seven forceful blows to her head.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 
accused never took the stand to speak in his defense and let his counsel
 do their job. His attorney argued that the state had not offered proof 
that his client could cause a fire seven hours after he left his home. 
And they countered that the thermite was not possessed by Frederick 
Small, he had no knowledge of any such compound at all. The wires found 
in the basement, they said, near the spark plugs and clock, were merely 
telephone wires and nothing nefarious.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The prosecution unleashed 
upon the defendant a closing argument of vitriol and venom. Charging 
that the crime was as heinous an act as had ever been committed in the 
state, it was likened to the same unspeakable cruelty that had befallen 
women and children who had burned at the stake in the days of early New 
Hampshire. “Frederick Small,” declared the Attorney General, while 
shaking his clenched fist, was an “Imp form Hell.” A soulless cad 
teeming with “the spirit of the Devil”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The jury recessed for 
dinner and then they went to work. After a fourteen day trial it took 
only three hours for the verdict to be reached. It was a unanimous 
finding for guilty; murder in the first degree.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The defendant 
entered the courtroom looking pale, drawn and haggard. His attorney, 
brother and nephew were at his side. And as the verdict was read he 
staggered and swayed just a bit, but then quickly regained his 
composure.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“Have you anything to say as to why sentence should not be pronounced?” the judge asked of the defendant.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“I have your honor,” Frederick Small replied. “I know no more about this crime than you do. I am an innocent person.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And
 then after the formalities of adjournment had been observed, and 
Frederick Small had been sentenced for his act, he turned to the 
courtroom, and addressing the reporters still present within he repeated
 himself for the record, “Gentlemen, I am innocent of this crime. I know
 no more about it than you do. I am awaiting the next move.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As 
journalists crowded around the man who had been damned to hang by his 
neck a reporter remarked, “The coolest man in the courtroom by far is 
the man who has just been condemned to death.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The defense did 
their level best in lobbying on behalf of their client. Requesting an 
acquittal on grounds of evidence insufficient for presentation to a 
jury, appealing the sentence and filing multiple exceptions, but they 
failed in their endeavor. Affirmation came, supporting the verdict and 
the sentence. Frederick Small would be executed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the day of 
his death Frederick Small went to the gallows calmly. He would neither 
admit nor deny that he had ended the life of his wife. “I am resigned. 
God’s will be done,” were the last words he chose to utter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 
lights were turned out, and amid the blackness that shrouded the 
hangman’s gallows the strap that operated the trap door beneath 
Frederick Small’s feet was pulled and the condemned man dropped to his 
death in darkness. &lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;
The
 first case to be heard within the Ossipee, New Hampshire courtroom 
walls was that of Frederick Small for the murder of his wife Florence. 
Easily a victim of domestic battery, Florence Arlene Curry Small died on
 September 28, 1916. She was 37-years old. She had been beaten, 
strangled, shot, and burned. Her head later removed for the benefit of 
prosecutorial theatrics and paraded about a courtroom for the shock and 
awe of spectators and jurors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Her husband, Frederick Small, was 
executed for her murder on January 15, 1918. He dropped to his death at 
12:18 am and was pronounced dead nine minutes later. His remains were 
cremated and put into the care of his brother who returned with him to 
Portland, ME.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the end of the trial Florence Arlene Small was 
forgotten. Left abandoned in an unmarked grave at Grant Hill cemetery 
for 91-years, it was a mystery as to where in the graveyard Florence 
actually lay buried, or if she was even there at all. There was little 
to speak to the fact that Florence had ever existed in Ossipee. The 
court transcripts had been lost and there was no recording of her death 
in the 1916 record of vital statistics for the town.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Then one day &lt;b&gt;Natalie Peterson&lt;/b&gt;,
 a woman helping to restore the old courthouse, stumbled upon Florence’s
 grave and the story of how she came to rest there. She set forth to see
 that the town’s forgotten victim was forgotten no more. Ninety-one 
years after her passing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wmur.com/news/14232249/detail.html&quot;&gt;Florence Small finally received a proper headstone and long awaited remembrance&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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I can’t help but wonder, though… if anyone ever remembered to give Florence back her head? &lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/2718107149886269976'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/2718107149886269976'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2011/11/small-rememberance.html' title='Florence Small Lost Her Head'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6pj496sBAG0h1iNOUN7YhiXsQOXckL983qvDv15bYaP6nUWf8ai63mrWZcDtX276PuOZhL9RPCp8-1CQpkMY9Yd_9FBbuv8hwze8xDAN-M95ITEr01Btt31pLy-51pAm3aL4uUxZnV7L4/s72-c/Fred2.jpg" height="72" width="72"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-668296420147267138.post-3480534303777625443</id><published>2011-11-26T21:17:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2016-04-14T18:46:54.690-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Chloe Davis"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Michelle McKee"/><title type='text'>Chloe Davis Murder Case: Part 4</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;
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Chloe’s neighbors and classmates had gathered on the lawn of the Davis 
residence to await her arrival. Faces of onlookers fell pale as the 
police motorcade pulled to the front of the little house and Chloe 
smiled and gave a casual wave from the car window.&lt;br /&gt;
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Today, under 
the company of the famed police psychiatrist, Dr. J. Paul De River, 
Chloe would lead her law enforcement entourage through rooms that had 
once held the sounds of laughing children and the hopes and dreams of a 
family, but now only retained the sickening sour scent of blood and 
death.&lt;br /&gt;
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Happily, Chloe led a captive audience room by room though 
her domicile of horror, completely unaffected by the grotesque scene 
before her. With a delightful little bounce in her step and a cheerful 
smile, Chloe padded about the grisly crime scene&lt;span id=&quot;fullpost&quot;&gt;, 
with its blood drenched carpets and gore spattered walls - her audience 
in tow. With a callous coolness of demeanor, she nonchalantly told the 
story of the frenzied butchery that had taken place, while reenacting 
the crime scene as though she were playing a bit part in her 6th grade 
class play.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When asked if she had been frightened during the ordeal she replied, in a very matter of fact manner, “&lt;i&gt;Well, I didn’t cry. If that’s what you mean?&lt;/i&gt;”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As
 they entered the bedroom that she had once shared with her siblings a 
cameraperson, who had accompanied the group to the crime scene, had 
Chloe pose seated on the edge of her bed, a doll cradled in her arms. 
Looking distant and wholly uninterested in the notion of being 
photographed playing with dolls, Chloe paused for a moment and pointed 
to a bookshelf located in the corner of the room. With a bright smile, 
she exclaimed, “&lt;i&gt;I’m a real bookworm. I read all the time!&lt;/i&gt;”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chloe
 Davis was, indeed, a brilliant and well read child, despite that she 
displayed a vernacular overrun with the slang terminology of the 1940’s.
 Dr. De River would conclude that Chloe was the “&lt;i&gt;coolest-blooded individual&lt;/i&gt;” that he had ever met and possessed the intellect of a sixteen year old adolescent with “&lt;i&gt;a mind as clear as a bell&lt;/i&gt;.” One that was “&lt;i&gt;distinctly capable of planning and committing the murders&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet
 despite being as well read as she clearly was, and demonstrating an 
academic brilliance that was equally impressive, when asked why she 
locked the door as she left the house after the murders of her family 
Chloe calmly replied that she believed that those demons her mother 
spoke of would be able to get in. She had locked the door to make sure 
to keep them out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Captain Edwards was unable to accept a version of events which he thought to be wholly “&lt;i&gt;fantastic and unbelievable&lt;/i&gt;,”
 and did not let up on his questioning of the young girl. He was 
convinced that she and she alone had murdered her family and that the 
story she had been telling of her mother and demons was nothing more 
than the makings of an imaginative young murderess who was seeking to 
get away with the merciless bludgeoning of her family.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Left practically incoherent from shock and near the verge of collapse, Frank Barton Davis was a complete wreck, “&lt;i&gt;Oh God, why can’t I die, too? I’ve nothing to live for&lt;/i&gt;,” he exclaimed while at police headquarters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brought
 in to assist in the questioning of his daughter; he listened to the 
bloody tale spilling from her lips and began to sob. “&lt;i&gt;Oh my poor baby&lt;/i&gt;,” he wailed. “&lt;i&gt;You can’t blame her. She’s just as innocent as the other children. She only did what she was told to do&lt;/i&gt;.” Chloe cast a sympathetic glance in his direction, “&lt;i&gt;Buck up dad&lt;/i&gt;,” she said, “&lt;i&gt;Don’t let it get you down&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He
 could give no explanation as to why his wife would suddenly loose her 
mind, murder three of their youngest children and then implore their 
oldest to pound her completely senseless. “&lt;i&gt;I didn’t know there was anything wrong with my wife&lt;/i&gt;,” he sobbed hysterically, “&lt;i&gt;She was a perfect mother and loved her children.&lt;/i&gt;”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And
 by all accounts Lolita Davis had behaved as any other perfectly normal 
woman would. At least up until the morning of the murders. Although she 
had been under a doctor’s care for anemia she most certainly had not 
shown any prior signs of being deranged. She was not a disturbed woman 
and she had never before spoken of demons. Of that, F. Barton Davis was 
absolutely sure, “&lt;i&gt;She was as normal as any woman could be&lt;/i&gt;,” he stated. And Chloe concurred.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There
 was also something else that he was sure of. His only surviving 
daughter would never and could never tell a lie, most assuredly not one 
to the police.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But as the police captain continued to insist that
 Barton Davis’ lovely young daughter was the sole slayer of her family 
the reality of the situation began to sear into his brain, and he began 
to hysterically defend his child. Then as quickly and as ardently as he 
avowed that his wife was as sane as any woman could be, he retreated 
from his declarations and began to paint the scene with an entirely 
different brush.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He asserted that his wife had an astounding 
power over her children, Chloe in particular. There was no doubt in his 
mind that Chloe would follow her mother’s instructions, regardless of 
what they were. Barton Davis, in defense of his only remaining 
offspring, declared, “&lt;i&gt;She’s telling the truth, she never lies. Don’t
 you think she could have done it. How can you be such fools? I tell 
you, you are wrong. Chloe could not, would not, have done such a thing. 
She was helpless in her mother’s hands&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lolita Davis, alleged her husband, had been perfectly happy until she had come into the possession of a particular book, “&lt;i&gt;Blind Devotion, I think it was called&lt;/i&gt;,”
 he said. The book was about a woman in Michigan who had four children 
and at some point, he said, his wife had come into the notion that the 
book had been written about her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“&lt;i&gt;Her mind was tortured&lt;/i&gt;,” he conceded, “&lt;i&gt;She was acting peculiar for weeks&lt;/i&gt;.” At first, he said, that he thought the strange ideas were occurring because of her anemia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was two weeks ago that he woke to find his wife sitting upright in bed having a cigarette. When questioned, “&lt;i&gt;She
 said that she had a terrible confession. She knew the spirits were 
going to kill me and turn the children over to white slavers. An evil 
spirit was creeping up on us and she was waiting for it&lt;/i&gt;.“&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Realizing
 that there was something imminently wrong with his wife he immediately 
took her to a psychiatrist. The doctor and Mrs. Davis visited for a 
considerable length of time and when both Davises left Lolita remarked 
that she had felt “&lt;i&gt;as though a terrific burden had been lifted&lt;/i&gt;.”
 However soon after the consultation she, again, began discussing the 
book and stating that she had seen visions of demons torturing the 
children. Refusing to seek council with another psychiatrist, Lolita 
Davis instead agreed to be seen by physicians. It was then that she was 
diagnosed as being anemic and had been receiving shots for the 
condition. “&lt;i&gt;I took her to two doctors and to a psychiatrist&lt;/i&gt;,” stated her husband, “&lt;i&gt;The psychiatrist told me that there was nothing wrong with her that couldn’t be cured&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr.
 V. J. Stack, the family physician came forward and confirmed that 
Barton Davis himself had contacted the good doctor not more than two 
weeks prior because he feared that his wife was teetering on the brink 
of insanity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to both Chloe and her father, Lolita Davis
 held to a belief that with the shear power of her mind she could force 
those around her to succumb to their deaths. When her cousin, Patsy, 
died a number of years earlier Lolita claimed that it was she who had 
caused the child to expire and that demons were therefore going to “&lt;i&gt;get&lt;/i&gt;” her as retribution. “&lt;i&gt;She had been nervous for several years&lt;/i&gt;,” Davis said, “&lt;i&gt;But
 had apparently become worse. She told me that she was responsible for 
Patsy’s death. I told her that she had nothing to do with it. Patsy died
 naturally&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that wasn’t the end of her delusional 
meanderings, according to her husband. He claimed three weeks prior to 
the murders of his family his wife had come to him and asked where she 
could purchase chloroform. When questioned as to why she wanted such an 
item Lolita Davis stated that, “&lt;i&gt;she believed all of us were menaced 
by some strange demon. She said some unseen power was going to kill the 
children and she wanted it to pour over their faces so that the pain 
would be eased&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He also confessed that his wife wanted him 
to help her commit suicide. She had implored him to prove his love to 
her by helping her to die locked inside the family automobile while 
inhaling the fumes of carbon monoxide piped in through a hose connected 
to the exhaust. Just the night before the murders, Davis shared with 
police, while sitting at the dinner table, his wife had asked him, in 
front of the children, what was the best way to kill a person? “&lt;i&gt;Where was the most mortal spot&lt;/i&gt;,” she asked; “&lt;i&gt;I laughed and said, ‘a shot straight through the heart,’ then changed the conversation.&lt;/i&gt;”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Soon
 friends and neighbors began to step forward in young Chloe’s defense. 
Further substantiating the fantastic tale of a mother beset by a belief 
in demons and obsessed by the notion that she possessed an innate power 
to kill those around her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to friends and neighbors, 
Lolita Davis frequently spoke of individuals whose lives had come to a 
violent conclusion. She was fixated on death. At one point during the 
investigation an attorney came forward, a friend of the Davises, and 
revealed that three weeks prior to the murder Lolita Davis had asked him
 not only how she would go about procuring enough chloroform to kill but
 where the best place on the head would be to hit someone if you wanted 
to bring about their death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chloe had endured two days of 
questioning by Dr. De River and the hard-boiled homicide investigators 
of the Los Angeles Police Department, but she never lost her composure. 
Never once did she shed a tear. During the police interrogations Chloe’s
 demeanor was of such an even keel that she would calmly intercede to 
correct her father on certain points of the case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A policewoman held that Chloe had, “&lt;i&gt;the face of an angel&lt;/i&gt;,” but that when she had remarked that the young girl “&lt;i&gt;must try to forget what happened&lt;/i&gt;,” the child replied, “&lt;i&gt;My father is the one who needs to forget. He’s nuts&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“&lt;i&gt;She stood up well for one of a family struck by such a crime. She showed little emotion&lt;/i&gt;,” Dr. De River remarked to the press, “&lt;i&gt;We must take into consideration the fact that Chloe might have an &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electra_complex&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Electra Complex&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;. This would lead us to believe her capable of such a deed&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And
 although Chloe had recalled during questioning that while she was 
attempting to bash her mother’s brains in Lolita Davis had demanded that
 she fetch a razor and then used it to slash her own wrists, severing 
the arteries of each, “&lt;i&gt;There’s one thing I forgot to tell you gentlemen&lt;/i&gt;,” she quipped, “&lt;i&gt;Ma asked me for a razor blade and I saw her slash both writes with it&lt;/i&gt;,”
 and indeed a razor blade had been recovered at the crime scene covered 
with congealed blood and feathers, retrieved near where her mother had 
breathed her last breath. Other than that one modest little detail, the 
razor, Chloe never once changed her story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unable to shake Chloe 
in her account, and now with the steadfast support of her father in the 
claims concerning the mental stability of her mother, and the further 
assertions of friends of the Davis family to the same, Captain Edwards 
needed to make a decision. Either Chloe was telling the truth, or she 
was a cold blooded killer. He knew that if she was found guilty the 
maximum sentence for annihilating her family would be confinement to a 
juvenile facility until age twenty-one and then she would be released. 
Chloe’s father was putting the pressure on, now, too. He wanted his 
daughter out of state custody and he had hired an attorney to make sure 
that happened. It was time for Captain Edwards to either charge his 
young detainee with murder, or release her to the custody of her father.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
 clock was ticking, and unfortunately for the LAPD it was strapped to a 
little stick of dynamite named Chloe Davis. There was going to be an 
explosion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/3480534303777625443'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/3480534303777625443'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2011/11/case-of-chloe-davis-mother-may-imurder.html' title='Chloe Davis Murder Case: Part 4'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1YISJ7aHX-v9iy2P2mZH2z38mOgW5D_rCpFwbVQakRRft96TPQZnQYchtTalITr_hzhO2QqfEfo5c8u36lexabOeqX_WP387pt239gitmBDqvFv0VM5XmlVML_c0CERLbo0SAyEc13DOP/s72-c/montage.JPG" height="72" width="72"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-668296420147267138.post-2863670945419614864</id><published>2007-04-16T06:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-08-17T22:55:53.724-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Chloe Davis"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Michelle McKee"/><title type='text'>Chloe Davis Murder Case: Part 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;
In the world of criminal psychiatry, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.policepsychiatrist.com/&quot;&gt;Dr. Joseph Paul De River&lt;/a&gt; was a self-made man, a visionary and a pioneer with some of the most revolutionary ideas of his time.&lt;/div&gt;
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Before the good doctor began to dip into the heads of the Los Angeles criminal populace the dedicated field of criminal psychiatry, more specifically the minds of sexual psychopathic criminals, was uncharted territory. That particular field of study, of specialized practice and skill, did not exist. De River recognized this and knew that if one wanted to be able to understand the evil that undoubtedly existed in the psyche of some, then that evil would have to be studied.&lt;/div&gt;
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Being an exceptionally driven man whose ambition was only equaled by his egocentricities, De River, began his internship, of sorts, by volunteering his time as a consultant in the area of criminal psychiatry for the Los Angeles Probation Department. It was through his work there that he began to make a name for himself within the law enforcement community as &lt;i&gt;the &lt;/i&gt;man to call when it came to criminal psychiatry. It is also where his interest in criminal psychiatry became focused on the psycho-sexual criminal mind. Before long his freelancing for the probation department would include the Los Angeles courts when various sitting judges would call him aside and ask for his views on this case or that.&lt;/div&gt;
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In June 1937 De River began his ascent into rockstar status when he was called to consult on a case involving the murder of three little girls in Inglewood, California. There was no suspect in the case and De River had been requested to review the crime scene and provide his insight into the psychology of the type of individual who could commit such a heinous act.&lt;/div&gt;
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Relying on the expertise he had gleaned from the countless hours he had spent reviewing criminals and their crimes for the Los Angeles judicial system, gratis no less, Dr. De River submitted a report of his summations to the Inglewood District Attorney’s office and police department. This report contained an analysis of the type of individual that the doctor felt law enforcement should be looking for and could arguably be called the first initial effort at criminal profiling for the specific purpose of identifying a suspect in a crime.&lt;/div&gt;
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After the Inglewood suspect was arrested it was debatable as to the significance Dr. De River’s profile actually played. And there may have also been a question, or two, as to the actual accuracy of his suspect analysis. However, given that it was 1937 at the time it was an impressive effort nonetheless.&lt;/div&gt;
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Law enforcement hadn’t yet had a chance to employ the use of the profile in their hunt for the Inglewood killer when the suspect, a rather dim-witted individual who had already been cleared of the crime, walked in unannounced and loudly proclaimed that he wanted answers as to why law enforcement was still looking at him as a suspect. They hadn’t been, but they were now.&lt;/div&gt;
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Regardless of the actual success of his profile, De River had succeeded in impressing some of the more powerful figures in the Los Angeles law enforcement community with his exceptional insight into the criminal mind. So much so that he was subsequently provided an official position with the Los Angeles Police Department, although it would still be in the freelance capacity, heavy on the free. Two more years would pass before the doctor would become an official paid employee of the LAPD.&lt;/div&gt;
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He had become the first psychiatrist to be hired by a police department in a major US city and as a result became the founder of the first Sex Offense Bureau in the United States. Housed within the Los Angeles Police Department, De River maintained structured, detailed files on those convicted, arrested, or suspected, of committing sexually motivated offenses. He would examine his subjects both physically and psychologically, photograph them, fingerprint them, interview them and then catalogue them by their various proclivities. It would later come as no surprise to many of those who knew the doctor, and respected his work, that he would be requested to help pen the first sex offender registration law in the United States, one that has continued to stay in effect today.&lt;/div&gt;
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With all that he created, and though he would come to be involved in the criminal investigation of one of the most infamous unsolved homicides in the history of Hollywood, the Black Dahlia, &lt;i&gt;the case that would send his rising star crashing into the ground&lt;/i&gt;, more than sixty years would pass from that beautiful spring morning in 1940 when the suave police psychiatrist would make the acquaintance of the young Miss Chloe Davis and nary a sole will have heard his name or know the significance that this complicated and fascinating man played in the chronicles of criminal profiling.&lt;/div&gt;
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Dr. Joseph Paul De River was a most important figure in the annals of criminal psychiatry and crime investigation, a brilliant man, a man of considerable ego and the keeper of &lt;i&gt;his own&lt;/i&gt; brand of secrets. He may not have known it at the time but he would become the grandfather of criminal profiling and sex offender registration. He would also come to find himself both loathed and loved by the very people he had called colleague and friend.&lt;/div&gt;
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By the time 1940 rolled around the name J. Paul De River had more than begun to gain prominence and power within the Los Angeles law enforcement community.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;img align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;2&quot; height=&quot;160&quot; src=&quot;http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/imahologram/Chloeathospitalv2.jpg&quot; width=&quot;124&quot; /&gt;Being that he was the official police psychiatrist, Captain Edwards requested that Dr. De River accompany him to the hospital to interview the young Miss Davis. When they arrived Chloe was in the company of a policewoman. She had been treated for the head wound and was now lying on top of one of the infirmary beds. Her arms comfortably crooked at the elbows and her hands clasped behind her head.&lt;/div&gt;
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In addition to the small scalp wound and blistered palms she also had a small bruise to her upper right forearm, about the size of the hammer head, and several fingernail scratches just above her right elbow. There was also a thin scratch approximately 1 ¼ inches in length that ran along the inside of her left thigh. She was at ease, alert, and entirely unemotional regarding the events of the day. She exhibited no more of an emotional response over the brutal slaying of her mother and younger siblings than if someone had just said “Chloe, dear, I boiled eggs.”&lt;/div&gt;
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Dr. De River entered Chloe’s room and took center stage. He was a balding man of average height and build, perhaps just a little stout, with squared shoulders, made to look even more so by the dapper dress of the day. Not particularly handsome, in the classic sense of the word, yet, even so, one couldn’t help but be in awe of the famed police psychiatrist. He was cock sure of himself and exuded confidence; a stylish, natty dresser with a slick dark moustache and overall look that rivaled any up and comer of the time. If one didn’t know better they could easily ask whose image came first; Agatha Christie’s Poirot or that of the good doctor. His large hands reached into his pocket for his pipe. It was a black shiny thing with a long, straight stem and as he held a match to the bowl and began to gradually suck at the stem the sweet musky scent of pipe tobacco wafted through the air.&lt;/div&gt;
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As her captive audience listened, 11-year old Chloe Davis began to tell the story of how she came to find herself in her current, unseemly predicament. As she spoke she nibbled from a bag of candy she had been given, occasionally offering some to those who now shared her tiny room at the Police Emergency Hospital. Her parents, if anything at all, had raised a polite and courteous child and to not offer to share would be nothing less than ill mannered. And she certainly wasn’t ill mannered – &lt;i&gt;well, maybe just a little&lt;/i&gt;. But then weren’t most 11-year olds at one moment or another?&lt;/div&gt;
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There was no doubt that Chloe had a tendency to get angry on occasion. By her own admission she said had a quick and volatile temper. A former neighbor and the mother to one of Chloe’s friends could apparently attest to that and stated that according to her daughter “&lt;i&gt;Chloe had once grabbed her mother by the hair and knocked her head against a concrete wall because she refused to give her a nickel for ice cream&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;/div&gt;
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Chloe was an athletic child and captain of her gymnastics team. At 4-feet 11-inches tall, and a little over 80Lbs, she was just a head shorter than her mother and about 50Lbs lighter. She was a strong, agile youngster, her muscle tone and overall strength more in line with that of a 13-year old boy than an 11-year old girl. Proud of her strength and physique, Chloe happily flexed a bicep for her inquisitors.&lt;/div&gt;
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According to Chloe; she, her mother, and her siblings were all asleep when her father left for work that morning. She and her siblings all shared a room and it was her sisters who had gotten little Marquis up that day allowing her to continue to sleep. &lt;i&gt;(When police respond to the crime scene they find Marquis dead on the kitchen floor, completely dressed, shoes tied. Daphne is also dressed.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Chloe leapt from her bed and ran into the hallway where she encountered her mother as she wildly swung the hammer toward the little girl’s head. Chloe quickly moved out of the way and the hammer only grazed her scalp. As Chloe struggled with her mother for the weapon she was easily able to over power the severely anemic and slight framed woman.&lt;/div&gt;
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The crazed woman was screaming of demons and a power she possessed to kill. She said that she had used that power to kill her young niece and then demanded that Chloe help her drag a mattress from a cot in her room to the hallway. Chloe obliged.&lt;/div&gt;
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She stated that her mother than grabbed some matches from a cupboard and attempted to light her (Chloe’s) hair on fire. But she was too quick for her and would blow the matches out before her mother could do any damage to her beautiful blond locks. Lolita Davis, laid down upon the mattress and instructed her eldest daughter to set her afire; first her hair and then her nightgown. Her nightdress went up in flames around her head and she began to scream in pain from the burns that had now been inflicted upon her body. She implored her daughter to beat the life out of her with the hammer. Chloe, being concerned over her mother’s now ever present suffering paused and considered her mother’s request, for but a second, maybe two. Choosing to put her mother out of her current state of misery, Chloe began to beat the hell out of her.&lt;/div&gt;
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It was laborious work, the matter of murdering her mother. After a bit she became tired and her throat parched. Chloe lay down for a few minutes, while her mother continued to beseech her to beat her brains in. After she rested a bit and regained some of her strength and composure she went into the bathroom and got herself a glass of water. Being the unselfish child that she was, after she quenched her own thirst she then “poured some down [her mother’s] throat.” Once she had been sufficiently rehydrated Chloe resumed beating the helpless woman in the head. This routine continued three or four more times, according to Chloe. She would become tired, weak and dizzy, and need to go lay down. All the while her mother was lying in the hallway pleading for her to continue striking her in the head until she was dead. After she was rested, Chloe would then get a drink of water and “also pour some down [her mother’s] throat” then resume the tedious, tiring, wielding of the hammer.&lt;/div&gt;
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It was on one of Chloe’s jaunts to quench her continual thirst, &lt;i&gt;from the exertion of pummeling a woman who refused to die&lt;/i&gt;, that Chloe said she entered the kitchen and found the backdoor ajar. She noted that the time was a quarter to eight; approximately forty-five minutes or so after her father had left for work. Marquis was whimpering helplessly on the kitchen floor. Chloe asked her mother if she shouldn’t whack him a few more times in order to silence his suffering. Her mother nodded. After striking her brother until he was dead, Chloe returned to the hallway and again proceeded to continue to beat her mother in the head.&lt;/div&gt;
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Ultimately, the head of the hammer became loose and flew from the handle. Not to be dissuaded from the task at hand, Chloe went into the kitchen, stepped over her brother’s body and got another hammer from a drawer. It was small, thin, silver and sleek. It was one singular piece of metal, shaped like an ‘L’ and slightly resembling a reflex hammer from the doctor’s office. At one end of the metal handle was a small hammer head, at the other end a small v-shape made the claw. Much to her dismay, Chloe, found that the tiny little hammer was not nearly strong enough to do any significant damage. She picked up the handle to of the one that had broke and continued to pound on the frail woman’s body with it instead.&lt;/div&gt;
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Despite the appearance that Lolita Davis died from blunt force trauma the coroner would return findings that her skull had never fractured. With her head resting on top of a pillow, that was resting atop a mattress, it would appear that while Chloe was bludgeoning her mother with all of her might, all her mothers head would do was bounce.&lt;/div&gt;
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The cause of death that the coroner returned was surprising. Lolita Davis had died from the loss of blood resulting from her wrists being slashed. One had been cut so completely that an artery was severed. To the amazement of investigators, just prior to the coroner releasing the cause of death, Chloe would remember that her mother had asked her to get a razor so that she could slit her wrists. At first Chloe denied having witnessed her mother cut herself, but later admitted that she had, in fact, watched her do it.&lt;/div&gt;
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After twelve hours of questioning by the best police investigators in Los Angeles, Chloe Davis was transported to the juvenile detention facility where a charge of murder was attached to her admissions sheet.&lt;/div&gt;
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As she was preparing to retire for bed a member a the staff inquired as to whether or not Chloe was hungry and perhaps would like something to eat. “&lt;i&gt;A big steak and a bottle of beer&lt;/i&gt;” she quickly barked in reply. When her steak was provided and the beer was not Chloe became defiant and boasted that she liked beer and that her mother happily split one with her only a few days prior.&lt;/div&gt;
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When morning came she wolfed down breakfast and prepared to begin another day of questioning. An inquest into the murders was set for today and there would be a field trip. Chloe would accompany the investigators to the crime scene for a walk-through.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/2863670945419614864'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/2863670945419614864'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2007/04/strange-case-of-chloe-davis-part-3.html' title='Chloe Davis Murder Case: Part 3'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8qOu-SC2O0EWTjnJv11RTdw3c3A8GdhNBV1o1JoDgoy5mnKfHXT3C9hJ8gfQVoO9m97KKgCoKahLu9LCzIxicF_pIrxm6bcpVVdtPXzPRNQmDAKkK60_zbqrCCHZG_S5kHE2KuXryQjIX/s72-c/Diagramv2.jpg" height="72" width="72"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-668296420147267138.post-5627149567163458638</id><published>2007-04-12T10:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-08-17T22:55:53.733-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Chloe Davis"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Michelle McKee"/><title type='text'>Chloe Davis Murder Case: Part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;
It was Christmas day in 1926 and 23-year old Lolita Dell Bjorkman was getting married to her heart’s desire, 28-year old Frank Barton Davis. Barton, as he was called, or F. Barton Davis as he would later be referred to in the press, was born in Kansas and Lolita in Illinois. Both had grown up in the same Michigan town, met and fell in love. Barton had briefly moved to Los Angeles in 1925 but hastily returned home so that he could marry his hometown sweetheart. Over the next few years, with children in tow, he and his new bride would move back and forth between Grand Rapids and Los Angeles.&lt;/div&gt;
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By 1940 the Davises had again settled in Los Angeles. They were now living in a little two-bedroom house at West 58th Place. They were a typical middle-class family. Devoted to their children, attended Sunday services with their neighbors and were thought of as one of the most likable and devoted families in the church. Barton Davis was a manger at a local grocery store and Lolita spent much of her time the same way that most mothers do, caring for her children and caring for her home. She was an impeccable housekeeper and, according to her husband, her children adored her. When she found free time she would spend much of it reading; both she and her eldest daughter shared the same love of books, including an attraction to crime stories. But her primary interest was in how to be a good parent, so she spent a great deal of time reading up on the subject. Two of the books found in the Davis home were titled How to Be a Good Mother and How to Raise Children. The Davis family, by all appearances, were normal, vanilla, status quo.&lt;/div&gt;
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When police arrived at the Davis residence officers were stunned by what they encountered. The murder scene was as gruesome as one could imagine. And there at the heart of it all was Chloe. Just as calm, cool and collected as could be. Her mother and little brother were dead at the scene. Daphne and Deborah, alleged to still be breathing, were transported to a local hospital. Each pronounced dead shortly thereafter as a result of the injuries they had sustained. Her father was near collapse. And through it all Chloe shed no tears, never lost her composure.&lt;/div&gt;
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Chloe arrived at the ‘Police Emergency Hospital’, as it was termed then, sporting a minor head wound and substantial blisters to the palms of her hands. The staff wrapped her head in an exaggeration of bandages that seemed to be more for effect than in response to any significant injury. Her head wound wasn’t life threatening by any stretch of the imagination, and it certainly hadn’t been inflicted with near the strength and force that was behind the crushing blows to her siblings. They had each been struck multiple times, and with such force that many of the skull shattering wounds had retained the contour of the head of the hammer that inflicted them.&lt;/div&gt;
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For the moment Chloe was in a ward at the hospital under police supervision and for the next twelve hours she would be relentlessly questioned. Her calm, unemotional responses and cool, unaffected demeanor during the hours long interview would mystify even the most experienced and hardened of the homicide squad. No matter the tactic, the little girl was never going to crack under the pressure. She wouldn’t be rattled. She was quite the cool cucumber for a child her age, at one point when she thought investigators were trying to trick her into an admission of culpability she barked “you can’t make me confess. I didn’t do it.”&lt;/div&gt;
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Captain Edwards believed that Chloe had killed her family, although he had no idea of the motive. His evaluation of the crime scene, based, I’m sure, on his years of experience as a police officer, indicated to him that Chloe had awoken while her mother was still in bed. She went into the kitchen and bludgeoned Marquis and Daphne. Hearing the screams of her children, Lolita Davis sprang from her bed and was met by Chloe as she ran into the hallway. A struggle ensued and Chloe stuck her mother knocking her to the ground. Upon ending her mother’s life Chloe then went into the bathroom and killed Deborah Ann. Edwards believed that in an attempt to disguise what she had done Chloe drug a mattress into the hallway, placed her mother’s body upon it, and in an effort to burn the house down she attempted to set the body afire by igniting her mother’s nightgown. When Chloe saw that she was not going to be able to incinerate the house and the evidence it contained she took an hour to get her self together and think things through. She then concocted a most unbelievable story in order to explain the events of the morning - her mother had been seeing demons and the entire chaotic, bloody mess was all her fault.&lt;/div&gt;
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Upon hearing Edwards’ version of events, Chloe disagreed with all points, save two; she did indeed murder her mother and brother. However, she most certainly did not lay a single bloody digit on either of her sisters. Her mother had killed the two of them.&lt;/div&gt;
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Chloe blamed the entire affair on her mother. In her version of events she was the last one up and had awoken to the sounds of hammering and screaming. Her mother was in a murderous fury, running around the house half-naked and screaming about visions of demons as she cracked open the skulls of her precious babies. She insisted that the children must die in order for them to be saved and after apologizing to her eldest daughter for not murdering her as well, she begged Chloe to beat her in the head until she could no longer speak or breathe. Surely, a blade to the throat would have been much quicker way to go.&lt;/div&gt;
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According to Chloe she found Marquis moaning and whimpering in pain on the kitchen floor. After asking her mother if she shouldn’t hit him a few more times in order to put him out of his misery, Lolita Davis, suffering from massive head trauma, allegedly either raised her head and nodded ‘yes’ or actually spoke the words - depending on which version of Chloe’s story you prefer. Chloe stated that the only reason that she killed her mother and brother was because she had been instructed by her mother to do so. And being a most obedient child, who would never argue with her parents, Chloe did exactly as she was told to do – or so she said.&lt;/div&gt;
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And so began the defilement of Lolita Dell Bjorkman-Davis by her husband and daughter as a murderous mother who after killing her three children, and wounding a fourth, committed suicide by slitting her wrists while beseeching her 11-year old child to bludgeon her to death with a hammer.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2007/04/strange-case-of-chloe-davis-part-3.html&quot;&gt;Part 3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/5627149567163458638'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/5627149567163458638'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2007/06/strange-case-of-chloe-davis-part-2.html' title='Chloe Davis Murder Case: Part 2'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsNsGHca4yCrkOoklh72Jut8efH9wx89A3KZhUz0MZJ0kCQCmbowngOYNKS-W8p39WlMF-oUoFebm4YBhHF9znxDMjkn7rOeexKRBPDqnqt1w9708ij1erNe-ihEjVKocbFbdUZvvE8L-t/s72-c/Baby+Chloe+and+Mother2.JPG" height="72" width="72"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-668296420147267138.post-2580971584864261910</id><published>2007-03-15T10:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-08-17T22:55:53.715-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Chloe Davis"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Michelle McKee"/><title type='text'>Mother May I...Murder You?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times new roman; font-size: 130%;&quot;&gt;The Chloe Davis Murder Case&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Lolita Davis had grown quiet and still. Her burned and battered body lay partially sprawled on a mattress that had been drug from one of the bedrooms and now rested in the hallway squarely between her bedroom door and that of the bathroom.&lt;br /&gt;
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Unrecognizable and practically scalped from repeated blows with a claw hammer, her hair and nightgown had been burned almost completely from her body and her wrists had been slashed with a razor - severing an artery. Chloe, her 11-year old daughter, sat at her side.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chloe rose from the position she had held next to her mother. The house had grown quiet. There were no more screams or guttural moans and gurgles from the dying. All she could hear now was the sound of her own breathing. The house was in shambles, blood splattered the walls and Chloe herself. She looked down at her nightgown. It too was covered in blood.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chloe was stoic as she maneuvered her way toward the bathroom, side-stepping ever so slightly around the mattress that her mother was laid out on. The hallway was narrow and the mattress and her mother’s body were taking up a great deal of room. When she exited the bathroom she would have to side-step around the mattress again, or walk across the corner of it, in order to get to her bedroom where her clothes were. The living room was just to the right of her bedroom so at least she wouldn’t have to maneuver around her mother’s body again to get to the front door.&lt;br /&gt;
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She removed her blood soaked nightgown and began to wash up. Chloe was going to have to use the bathroom sink rather than the bathtub this time, as it was occupied by her sister, 7-year old Deborah Ann, who was face down in the now crimson water. Her skull fractured from repeated blows by the same claw hammer that had reigned down upon the head of their mother. Chloe calmly washed her face, dabbing lightly at the blood trickling from the wound on her head where the hammer had grazed her.&lt;br /&gt;
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She quietly continued to compose herself as she got dressed. She fashioned her blonde hair, which fell just below her shoulders, in to two pigtails, put on her shoes and then made her way to the front door. It had been approximately an hour, give or take, since her mother had expired before her, a little more than two since her father had left for work. As Chloe exited the modest two-bedroom Los Angeles home she had shared with her family, she locked the door behind her.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was sometime between 9am and 9:30am when Chloe arrived at the home of a neighbor and requested to use the telephone to call her father, who was working at a grocery near by. The neighbor kindly obliged and Chloe calmly, without any detail, told her father he needed to come home – right now. After hanging up Chloe walked back home and patiently waited for him to arrive. She was sitting on the front porch when her father came home and inquired as to what the urgency was that had brought him racing from work. Chloe’s unemotional response was simply “&lt;i&gt;I think you better go in the kitchen and see&lt;/i&gt;.” She gave no sign, no warning as to the mayhem that had transpired that morning.&lt;br /&gt;
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Barton Davis unlocked the door and stepped into what little more than 2-hours earlier had been a pristinely cared for home. He had kissed his wife and left for work right around 7am. Now he was returning at the behest of his eldest daughter in order to survey the scene of a murderous frenzy that had been unleashed only a short time before.&lt;br /&gt;
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The horrified father went from room to room, viewing the carnage that had once been his family. Approaching the kitchen he found 3-year old Marquis lying in a pool of blood on the floor, almost blocking the entryway. Lying just behind him was 10-year old Daphne. Both children had been beaten in the head with the same hammer that wielded the blows against 7-year old Deborah Ann and the children’s 36-year old mother. All of the victims had received enough blows to render them unrecognizable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost as quickly as he entered, Barton Davis ran screaming from his front door. And as he frantically paced up and down the walkway, screaming and crying that he “&lt;i&gt;no longer had anything to live for&lt;/i&gt;” his only surviving daughter attempted to offer words of support; “&lt;i&gt;Brace your self up, daddy. You mustn’t get excited. Come on, let’s go for a little walk&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;
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While Chloe tended to her father, it was the neighbor who summoned police to the little house next door.&lt;br /&gt;
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Soon Chloe would be questioned by one of the most infamous police alienists in the history of crime investigation. She was the sole survivor, the only living witness. She would be expected to recount the story of exactly what took place that deadly April morning. And she would capture everyone’s attention when she did.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2007/06/strange-case-of-chloe-davis-part-2.html&quot;&gt;Part 2&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/2580971584864261910'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/668296420147267138/posts/default/2580971584864261910'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/2007/03/mother-may-i-murder-you-case-of-chloe.html' title='Mother May I...Murder You?'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author></entry></feed>