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		<title>Comment on Only One True Kingdom by Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oengus,

This morning, I asked an elder and two other "rocks" of our church whether people should be praying for specific people to be in specific places in government. All three said no. We should be praying that God would raise up godly leaders---period. The elder noted that it was always a bad idea to assume that "our man" is the right one for office.

The woman who gave the word wasn't following that guideline. Like I wrote to Connie above, it would have been fine if she stopped at the prayer and intercession part. But she went WAAAAY over that line.

Even then, the fascination with politics, and Christian fascination in particular, paints us into this position of considering earthly kingdoms to be more helpful than heavenly ones. We end of being citizens of earthly kingdoms first and heavenly ones second. That's the wrong order.

Although her delivery is a little over the top, no one who reads the OT can claim that the prophets then were not "unusual" in their deliveries. Still, I can't tamp down the feeling that she added herself to whatever she believes she received from God, and that's not right. If God told her to act the way she did, then that's fine. I'm just not convinced He did (or in the purity of the message). Like I noted in my post, her word just does not seem to square with Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oengus,</p>
<p>This morning, I asked an elder and two other &#8220;rocks&#8221; of our church whether people should be praying for specific people to be in specific places in government. All three said no. We should be praying that God would raise up godly leaders&#8212;period. The elder noted that it was always a bad idea to assume that &#8220;our man&#8221; is the right one for office.</p>
<p>The woman who gave the word wasn&#8217;t following that guideline. Like I wrote to Connie above, it would have been fine if she stopped at the prayer and intercession part. But she went WAAAAY over that line.</p>
<p>Even then, the fascination with politics, and Christian fascination in particular, paints us into this position of considering earthly kingdoms to be more helpful than heavenly ones. We end of being citizens of earthly kingdoms first and heavenly ones second. That&#8217;s the wrong order.</p>
<p>Although her delivery is a little over the top, no one who reads the OT can claim that the prophets then were not &#8220;unusual&#8221; in their deliveries. Still, I can&#8217;t tamp down the feeling that she added herself to whatever she believes she received from God, and that&#8217;s not right. If God told her to act the way she did, then that&#8217;s fine. I&#8217;m just not convinced He did (or in the purity of the message). Like I noted in my post, her word just does not seem to square with Scripture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the Pulpits Silent Now? by Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normandie,

I live in the Midwest, which has been an economic disaster for years as it never really recovered from the dot com bubble of 1999-2005. Just a simple review of salary figures will show you that the only people doing well in this country are those making over $300,000 a year. That's like the top 2 percent in incomes. Everyone else has been stagnant or worse, and even that stagnation is generous, seeing that it does not take into account real buying power.

I'm not sure that the repentance will come. I think people have become so enamored of nanny state-ism that they'll look to the government and not the the Lord for their help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normandie,</p>
<p>I live in the Midwest, which has been an economic disaster for years as it never really recovered from the dot com bubble of 1999-2005. Just a simple review of salary figures will show you that the only people doing well in this country are those making over $300,000 a year. That&#8217;s like the top 2 percent in incomes. Everyone else has been stagnant or worse, and even that stagnation is generous, seeing that it does not take into account real buying power.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the repentance will come. I think people have become so enamored of nanny state-ism that they&#8217;ll look to the government and not the the Lord for their help.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only One True Kingdom by Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connie,

I have no problem with anyone calling for prayer and intercession for godly leadership, but this went beyond that. It tried to shoehorn that call with a specified plea that I did not feel was in keeping with Scripture. Given the allegiances of the group behind the woman giving the word and its strong links to The Call rallies, it's almost impossible to contend that this is simply a call to prayer and intercession for nothing else but godly leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connie,</p>
<p>I have no problem with anyone calling for prayer and intercession for godly leadership, but this went beyond that. It tried to shoehorn that call with a specified plea that I did not feel was in keeping with Scripture. Given the allegiances of the group behind the woman giving the word and its strong links to The Call rallies, it&#8217;s almost impossible to contend that this is simply a call to prayer and intercession for nothing else but godly leadership.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the Pulpits Silent Now? by Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link,

You're pretty fortunate if your pastor is David Wilkerson!</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re pretty fortunate if your pastor is David Wilkerson!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the Pulpits Silent Now? by Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Very astute comment.

I think part of the problem is the fact that God never intended people to shoulder the worries of the world, yet our media outlets can bring the world's misery right to our doorstep. (No wonder so many are on psychoactive drugs.) For that reason, we have become numb to misery unless it is our own. Too many of us have burned out our emotional capacity for anyone outside the four walls of our house.

I'm not attempting to condone it, only understand the reaction you lament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Very astute comment.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem is the fact that God never intended people to shoulder the worries of the world, yet our media outlets can bring the world&#8217;s misery right to our doorstep. (No wonder so many are on psychoactive drugs.) For that reason, we have become numb to misery unless it is our own. Too many of us have burned out our emotional capacity for anyone outside the four walls of our house.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not attempting to condone it, only understand the reaction you lament.</p>
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