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		<title>Comment on Teaching With Three-Act Tasks: Act Three &amp; Sequel by Dan Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 13:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Mark Kreie&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t mean to speak for @Dan, but I don’t think the penny modeling problem was intended to assist in deriving the formula for finding the sum of squares.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right. It wasn&#039;t my objective for the lesson. My objectives were for students to model with mathematics and to use summation notation to describe a given series.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mark Kreie</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t mean to speak for @Dan, but I don’t think the penny modeling problem was intended to assist in deriving the formula for finding the sum of squares.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right. It wasn&#8217;t my objective for the lesson. My objectives were for students to model with mathematics and to use summation notation to describe a given series.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uri Treisman’s Magnificent Speech On Equity, Race, And The Opportunity To Learn by Sue Jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17047&amp;cpage=1#comment-893386</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 13:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was great to hear the &quot;fault-tolerant&quot; education model.  I remember learning about it regarding the space program, post-Sputnik... and I saw this video *right* after talking about the need to build in redundancy for our developmental math course for the same reasons (http://resourceroomblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/fault-tolerant-education/ )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was great to hear the &#8220;fault-tolerant&#8221; education model.  I remember learning about it regarding the space program, post-Sputnik&#8230; and I saw this video *right* after talking about the need to build in redundancy for our developmental math course for the same reasons (<a href="http://resourceroomblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/fault-tolerant-education/" rel="nofollow">http://resourceroomblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/fault-tolerant-education/</a> )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching With Three-Act Tasks: Act Three &amp; Sequel by Mark Kreie</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17024&amp;cpage=1#comment-891260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Kreie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 03:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@James:
I don&#039;t mean to speak for @Dan, but I don&#039;t think the penny modeling problem was intended to assist in deriving the formula for finding the sum of squares.  
However, I too would love to hear or see what a @Dan version of the algebra 2 unit described above would look like.  
Finally, I agree with you that it is important that we turn at least some of our focus to deriving the formulas we use.  I feel the Common Core calls for us to do so.  Your example of the area of a triangle is perfect.  I just completed a unit in my geometry class.  I had questions on my assessments that asked students to explain how some of the area formulas were derived, almost like informal proofs - triangles, parallelograms, trapezoids, etc.    I&#039;ve never asked students to explain where these formulas come from before.  I was very happy with the results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James:<br />
I don&#8217;t mean to speak for @Dan, but I don&#8217;t think the penny modeling problem was intended to assist in deriving the formula for finding the sum of squares.<br />
However, I too would love to hear or see what a @Dan version of the algebra 2 unit described above would look like.<br />
Finally, I agree with you that it is important that we turn at least some of our focus to deriving the formulas we use.  I feel the Common Core calls for us to do so.  Your example of the area of a triangle is perfect.  I just completed a unit in my geometry class.  I had questions on my assessments that asked students to explain how some of the area formulas were derived, almost like informal proofs &#8211; triangles, parallelograms, trapezoids, etc.    I&#8217;ve never asked students to explain where these formulas come from before.  I was very happy with the results.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching With Three-Act Tasks: Act Three &amp; Sequel by James Key</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17024&amp;cpage=1#comment-890834</link>
		<dc:creator>James Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 01:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dan: &quot;You use the term “boring, nitty-gritty stuff” though and I’m not sure we all have a shared understanding there. What are you referring to?&quot;

I&#039;m going to answer your question with reference to the unit I just completed, leaving the pyramid question to the side for a moment.  I&#039;ve just completed a unit on Rational Functions with my Algebra 2 students.  Here is a list of some of the things students learned:

1. how to add and subtract rational expressions
2. how to simplify, multiply, and divide rational expressions
3. how to simplify complex fractions
4. how to solve equations with rational expresssions
5. how to analyze the graph of a (simple) rational function

My lessons were completely devoid of pyramids, pennies, photos, videos, context, pseudo-context, or anything remotely interesting.  Just plain old, boring, &quot;nitty gritty algebra stuff.&quot;  I am not proud of this, but it&#039;s true.  I would be interested to know what a Dan Meyer version of this unit would look like.  (Part of the problem here is the limitations of my own knowledge of rational functions.  I can do all of the above tasks in a pure math setting, but have little knowledge of why rational functions are useful for solving interesting problems.)

Back to my main point about your lesson on pyramids: for me, the mathematical high point of the task is *developing* the formula for the sum of squares.  In theory, all that &quot;hook&quot; you invested -- showing the video, getting them to generate questions and guesses, etc -- is all working towards getting them invested in doing the deep mathematics.  So as I said, I was disappointed that this didn&#039;t receive any attention.  Yes, you discussed the key features of sigma notation, but that misses the point I&#039;m driving at.  Analogy: you&#039;re teaching a lesson on the area of a triangle.  The teacher can stop to make sure the students understand the *features* of the formula -- what does b stand for?  what does h stand for?  can you point these out in the figure? etc -- but if the teacher never makes the students *understand* the origins of the formula, then that is a travesty.

Maybe this is a matter of taste.  I tend to favor deriving *everything,* but I&#039;ve learned over the years that this is not necessarily best.

Summary of math required of the participants in the video:

1. Lots of modeling stuff.  All important.  Asking questions.  Figuring out what info is needed.  Making estimates.  etc.

2. Plug n = 40 into formula that came &quot;from the clear blue sky,&quot; provided by the teacher.

So, again, if the purpose of the lesson is to practice math modeling, then great!  But if the lesson were given in a context of exploring and learning about sequences and series, then it leaves a bit to be desired in that area.

Looking forward to your response if you care to write one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan: &#8220;You use the term “boring, nitty-gritty stuff” though and I’m not sure we all have a shared understanding there. What are you referring to?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to answer your question with reference to the unit I just completed, leaving the pyramid question to the side for a moment.  I&#8217;ve just completed a unit on Rational Functions with my Algebra 2 students.  Here is a list of some of the things students learned:</p>
<p>1. how to add and subtract rational expressions<br />
2. how to simplify, multiply, and divide rational expressions<br />
3. how to simplify complex fractions<br />
4. how to solve equations with rational expresssions<br />
5. how to analyze the graph of a (simple) rational function</p>
<p>My lessons were completely devoid of pyramids, pennies, photos, videos, context, pseudo-context, or anything remotely interesting.  Just plain old, boring, &#8220;nitty gritty algebra stuff.&#8221;  I am not proud of this, but it&#8217;s true.  I would be interested to know what a Dan Meyer version of this unit would look like.  (Part of the problem here is the limitations of my own knowledge of rational functions.  I can do all of the above tasks in a pure math setting, but have little knowledge of why rational functions are useful for solving interesting problems.)</p>
<p>Back to my main point about your lesson on pyramids: for me, the mathematical high point of the task is *developing* the formula for the sum of squares.  In theory, all that &#8220;hook&#8221; you invested &#8212; showing the video, getting them to generate questions and guesses, etc &#8212; is all working towards getting them invested in doing the deep mathematics.  So as I said, I was disappointed that this didn&#8217;t receive any attention.  Yes, you discussed the key features of sigma notation, but that misses the point I&#8217;m driving at.  Analogy: you&#8217;re teaching a lesson on the area of a triangle.  The teacher can stop to make sure the students understand the *features* of the formula &#8212; what does b stand for?  what does h stand for?  can you point these out in the figure? etc &#8212; but if the teacher never makes the students *understand* the origins of the formula, then that is a travesty.</p>
<p>Maybe this is a matter of taste.  I tend to favor deriving *everything,* but I&#8217;ve learned over the years that this is not necessarily best.</p>
<p>Summary of math required of the participants in the video:</p>
<p>1. Lots of modeling stuff.  All important.  Asking questions.  Figuring out what info is needed.  Making estimates.  etc.</p>
<p>2. Plug n = 40 into formula that came &#8220;from the clear blue sky,&#8221; provided by the teacher.</p>
<p>So, again, if the purpose of the lesson is to practice math modeling, then great!  But if the lesson were given in a context of exploring and learning about sequences and series, then it leaves a bit to be desired in that area.</p>
<p>Looking forward to your response if you care to write one!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uri Treisman’s Magnificent Speech On Equity, Race, And The Opportunity To Learn by danny h</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17047&amp;cpage=1#comment-889877</link>
		<dc:creator>danny h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[a friend of Gary Cavender]

After watching the first 20 minutes of that address, I am wondering if the educational &quot;problem&quot; is really a problem at all?

I wonder if the poverty problem is less a problem of school achievement and more a problem of decreased purchasing power of the currency?

I wonder if a call for educational reform is just a means for a group of individuals to maintain their status in the machine?

I wonder if we allowed ourselves to let loose of our need for public control, that we would in turn see greater rewards of self-control?

Lastly, I wonder what would be some of the unseen consequences of actions that never happen?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[a friend of Gary Cavender]</p>
<p>After watching the first 20 minutes of that address, I am wondering if the educational &#8220;problem&#8221; is really a problem at all?</p>
<p>I wonder if the poverty problem is less a problem of school achievement and more a problem of decreased purchasing power of the currency?</p>
<p>I wonder if a call for educational reform is just a means for a group of individuals to maintain their status in the machine?</p>
<p>I wonder if we allowed ourselves to let loose of our need for public control, that we would in turn see greater rewards of self-control?</p>
<p>Lastly, I wonder what would be some of the unseen consequences of actions that never happen?</p>
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		<title>Comment on “How To Learn Math,” An Online Course From Stanford Math Education Professor Jo Boaler by Matt Vaudrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17092&amp;cpage=1#comment-889761</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Vaudrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uri Treisman’s Magnificent Speech On Equity, Race, And The Opportunity To Learn by James Key</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17047&amp;cpage=1#comment-889403</link>
		<dc:creator>James Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 18:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the PISA data, disaggregated by poverty rate: can someone help me understand this?  It looks to me as though the least poor students in the U.S. (0-10% on Free/Reduced price Lunch) are being compared to the *entire* population of other countries, such as Finland.  Am I missing something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the PISA data, disaggregated by poverty rate: can someone help me understand this?  It looks to me as though the least poor students in the U.S. (0-10% on Free/Reduced price Lunch) are being compared to the *entire* population of other countries, such as Finland.  Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uri Treisman’s Magnificent Speech On Equity, Race, And The Opportunity To Learn by Paul Alves</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17047&amp;cpage=1#comment-889147</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Alves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Echoing everyone else&#039;s comment, THANK YOU. A great way to finish the week. Even though I don&#039;t teach in the US, the neighbor to the north, there is so much that correlates to our experience - high stakes testing, value added measures, and curriculum revision.
Just recently a report from a group called People for Education (http://www.peopleforeducation.ca/pfe-news/the-trouble-with-course-choices-in-ontario-high-schools/) pointed to course choices for students in our high schools ignoring the factors that form the central message in Uri&#039;s talk, poverty and opportunity to learn. 
Once again a big thank you on behalf of math teachers EVERYWHERE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing everyone else&#8217;s comment, THANK YOU. A great way to finish the week. Even though I don&#8217;t teach in the US, the neighbor to the north, there is so much that correlates to our experience &#8211; high stakes testing, value added measures, and curriculum revision.<br />
Just recently a report from a group called People for Education (<a href="http://www.peopleforeducation.ca/pfe-news/the-trouble-with-course-choices-in-ontario-high-schools/" rel="nofollow">http://www.peopleforeducation.ca/pfe-news/the-trouble-with-course-choices-in-ontario-high-schools/</a>) pointed to course choices for students in our high schools ignoring the factors that form the central message in Uri&#8217;s talk, poverty and opportunity to learn.<br />
Once again a big thank you on behalf of math teachers EVERYWHERE.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uri Treisman’s Magnificent Speech On Equity, Race, And The Opportunity To Learn by Mark Watkins</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17047&amp;cpage=1#comment-888788</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 15:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Second best talk of the weekend ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second best talk of the weekend ;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uri Treisman’s Magnificent Speech On Equity, Race, And The Opportunity To Learn by Maryke</title>
		<link>http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=17047&amp;cpage=1#comment-888594</link>
		<dc:creator>Maryke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 14:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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