BoostStrapping

BoostStrapping’s Moved! :)

2009-10-26T15:39:50-07:00

Some exciting news we’ve been incubating in the past couple of months – we went live with our brand new website a while ago and we got a brand new blog to go along with it! Well, not really new as we’re still the cross-functional, entrepreneurial, bottom-line oriented, and strategic minded folk you know and love. But we’re at a new address and we have our two newest Associates, Marko “CroCop” Nikolic and Kurt “Dirty Jerze” Kaufer as the writers. As our company celebrates our four year anniversary, we thought it’d be great to have the perspective of these new additions.

So if you landed here via usual means, please let that in the future, you'll find us blogging at http://www.eboostconsulting.com/blog/

I recommend getting over there tout de suite!

To culminate this chapter, I've compiled the top 5 blog posts ever here on this typepad blog:

eBoost Consulting's Guide to becoming a Complete Marketing Strategist | Part 1: Fundamentals - they don't call us the Tim Duncan of marketing strategy for nothing.
5 Minutes a Day: Strategic Thinking - one in a series of 5 minute exercises.
25 Random Things about Preparing for the Upturn - wrote this in March 2009 the night before one of our Executive Education courses and we still believe in it today.
Observations on Mentorship - eBoost Consulting prides itself on being a leadership factory. Here's my take on the mentorship philosophy.
Welcome to BoostStrapping! - what started it all in 2006.

And here's my favorite 5 posts from our new bloggers:

5 Tools to Monitor Conversation and Brand Reputation - Kurt breaks down reputation management.
The Road to a Strategic Marketing Plan - Marko illustrates eBoost Consulting's strategic methodology, strategic concept, and one of our strategic tools.
Know Your Customer - Kurt conducts persona development on his favorite subject. Himself!
5 Unique SEO Tips to Get to the Top of Bing! - Marko showcases some of his favorite moves for Bing-o Bang-o results! Hey-o!
Google Ad Preview Tool - Kurt takes us to school on Google Ad Preview.

If you've so generously added BoostStrapping to your blog roll, please take a tiny second from your date and update it. Also, we have our new RSS feed up on the new BoostStrapping location so sign up!

Thanks for coming and following us along this journey. See you at the new addy!

-johnny

24 Week-ersons Without Geakerson.

2009-06-28T18:13:54-07:00

A smile bright enough to last six months.

Friday marked the last day for a while for eBoost Consultant Garret Akerson who is taking a six-month leave of absence to travel Ecuador with his lovely wife Deanne. There is no overstating how much we will miss Geakerson (this is his more preferred moniker. We never asked him but he didn’t seem to mind). Sure we will have him back better than ever come January 2010 but his absence leaves a gaping hole in the culture of eBoost Consulting. Geakerson is more than just a man. Geakerson is a way of life. Periodically, we will be posting photos of Garret to tide the readership over.

There are undoubtedly many moments that built his legend. Like the time that CEO of that company (who was a super-alienating figure to his employees) threw his assistant through the conference room wall in a meeting and directed to Garret “I hired you to find the true business problem. So what’s the problem?!?!” Garret took a sip of his water, placed it down and calmly said, “You want to know the problem? You, sir, are the problem. Action Item to Follow-Up On: Stop being the problem.” That CEO cited that moment as the turning point of his career and the company has ruled its business category ever since. The amazing thing is that the CEO wasn’t even the problem. Garret just read about Marvin Bower doing the same thing and always wanted to try it out.

Garret is a trailblazer.

There’s also that time that Garret took one of his interns on a camping trip to build their relationship. Garret and the intern ventured deep into a foreboding forest when a grizzly bear made a beeline to the intern. Garret took a sip of his water, placed it down and calmly killed the bear so that it would not inflict any damage to his intern. That wasn’t even the amazing part. What’s amazing is that Garret felt so much compassion for the bear (Garret is a vegetarian and an animal-lover), that he brought the bear back to life and nursed it back to health. The bear now adopts a raw-vegan diet.

Garret is a miracle worker.

There’s also that time that Garret was on an uncanny roll in predicting fashion trends. I distinctly remember (or vaguely remember, I can’t remember) Garret was at The Pod and everyone was discussing the client-value of a new software, and when we asked him what his assessment was, Garret took a sip of his water, placed it down, and said, “Flannel is coming back.” The next day, flannel became all the rage in street fashion and Abercrombie released a press issue noting flannel would be the central point of its upcoming spring line. A week later, Garret foresaw a similar retro comeback with denim-on-denim…one day before Kanye West debuted his denim-on-denim look on the fashion streets of Paris. As you can see, the guy was on a roll. So it was to no one’s surprise, if consternation, that Garret portended the comeback of the mullet in one of his Client Services meetings with Micha. Micha walked in next day with a new mullet haircut. Garret took a sip of his water, placed it down, and smiled.

Garret is a jokester.

Yes, we will sorely miss Garret in the next six months. Please take a moment to drop him good luck in the comments section and to post your own favorite Garret moments (true or not).

Best in your travels Geaks and Deanne!!!

-johnny

eBoost Consulting's Guide to Becoming a Complete Marketing Strategist | Part 3: Business Acumen

2009-06-10T12:16:19-07:00

Miss part 1 and 2? Don't skip steps. In Part 1, we discussed the Fundamentals. In Part 2, we discussed The Big Picture.

Determining the connection between the external and the internal. This is the art of business acumen: link an insightful assessment of the external business landscape with the keen awareness of how money can be made – and then executing the strategy to deliver the desired results. The building blocks are simple but mastering how they intertwine in each setting demands intense mental activity and skill.

20/20 Foresight – External Context

Identifying the external context requires a quick, decisive mental modeling of the big picture. This skill takes plenty of practice. The essence of this skill is to find patterns, rhythms, from among a wide variety of factors and posit the assumptions that would converge them. A simple way is to begin with a list of six questions:

What is happening in the world today?
What does it mean for others?
What does it mean for us?
What would have to happen first (for the results we want to occur)?
What do we have to do to play a role?
What do we do next?

The answer doesn’t exist in these answers. The questions merely help executives assess the validity of the company’s moneymaking approach. This is a fluid process, and almost entirely qualitative. Assuming this iterative routine encourages executives to transcend old rules of thumb deeply etched in their DNA – i.e. quantitative data, deliverables – and means giving up on the habitual reliance on precedent historical data. Historical data reflects linear change, rather than continuous movement which is the essence of business maneuvers. One big trend is achieved through a million small ones.

Learning to see the business landscape with 20/20 observation depends on the rigor and discipline applied to the entire process of a) envisioning the changes b) deducing the actions and c) implementing the plan.

20/20 Insight – Internal Context

The ability to simplify complexity is vital to the success and sanity of business leaders. We live in a world with unlimited data, unlimited thoughts, and constricted time. The line between the successful and sane strategists vs unsuccessful and stressed out strategists comes in the ability to focus on the basics of moneymaking of a company. Successful marketing strategists know how to break the most complex business situations down to the fundamentals.

Here are the basics:

Cash – this is a no brainer. Understanding how much cash the business generates and how much cash it consumes is critical.
Margin - margin is tricky. Typically, when a client mentions margin or bottom line, what they are referring to is the net profit margin – the money the company earns after paying all expenses, interest and taxes. Gross margin is a different story if not more insightful of shifts in the business. Gross margin is the different between a product’s selling price and the cost to make the product (i.e. “cost of goods”) which is expressed as a percent of the selling price. How changes outside or inside you business affect gross margin is key. This could signify changes that need to be made in either the supply chain, value chain or both.
Velocity – velocity refers to the speed that revenue turns over for each dollar of inventory. For instance, if you have $10 million in inventory for the year and revenues of $20 million, then your inventory velocity is 2. This describes how fast you’re moving raw materials to production to getting them on the shelf for customers. For B2B companies like ourselves, you can track velocity by how much revenue is generated per hour of human capital.
Return on assets (ROA) – margin multiplied by velocity equals return on assets. This is probably one of the best indicators of a healthy business. Think of this as top of the list in a diagnostic exam. If your return is lower than cost of capital, your business is in no-man’s land. Increasing your return on assets can be done using the math – increase velocity and/or increase margin.
Growth – there is a distinction between good growth and bad growth. Bad growth happens when your revenues go up while eroding ROA, customer equity – the health indicators of a business. Good growth typically happens organically, where the integrity of the ROA and customer equity are increased through diligence in consistently iterating the business model and its building blocks. The Net Promoter Score is a great performance metric in this game of good growth.

A full perspective is necessary to unclog bottlenecks in our thought process. As a complete marketing strategist, you must have 20/20 foresight into the external context and 20/20 insight into the internal operating of the business, whether your own or your clients.

Next, I will speak on what is step where most miss the leap to becoming a complete marketing strategist – Functions Knowledge.

-johnny

Credits for this chapter
Ram Charan - What the CEO Wants You to Know for the five building blocks of business.
Kenichi Ohmae – The Mind of the Strategist: The Art of Japanese Business
Strategy + Business - Jared Diamond: The Thought Leader Interview

…and undoubtedly many more!

eBoost Consulting's Guide to becoming a Complete Marketing Strategist | Part 2: The Big Picture

2009-05-29T12:12:32-07:00

The big picture. Many take this into consideration when talking about business – you often overhear consultants or marketing professionals urge their team/boss/client to “take a step back and look at the big picture” but rarely do people take the big picture into consideration in professional development. Big mistake! Without seeing the big picture in your development (as a marketing strategist) or in your talent pool (as an employer developing top marketing personnel), you are severely limiting your work capacity, work capabilities, and ability to discover your best work potential. Perhaps more insidious is that you will lessen your leadership impact and decrease your company’s chances to achieve the big picture that you urged them to see in the first place!

The foundation of the eBC Pyramid is Business Acumen. Understand what key drivers that make up your business model. Many people mistake this for a template business plan and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on an MBA education without ever learning how to put the pieces of the puzzle together in a simple language. Essentially, the business model comes from answering two questions: 1) What customer need is being met? 2) How does your company make money? As a complete marketing strategist, you can’t perform to your accountabilities if there are deficient components in the business that must be brought up first. Developing a keen business acumen will allow you to set the proper expectations for your company.

Functions Knowledge – The biggest deficiency in talent development exists here. Have you ever witnessed a meeting between the CFO, CMO, COO, CTO, C(insert letter here)O? It’s akin to putting a Brazilian who only speaks Portuguese, a Chinese person who only speaks Chinese, a French person who only speaks French, and an Aussie who only speaks rugby, alone in the same room. Communication is limited to awkward body language, makeshift sign language, and ineffective gesturing that can only be described as “pointing-to-things”. Hijinks ensue. Good for a sitcom, sure. Good for business, not so much. To be a complete marketing strategist, you must become fluent in the functional languages. This requires an understanding of the key metrics that the functional lines are evaluated on and also an empathy for the accountabilities and responsibilities of the functional heads (CFO, COO, CTO, et al). A complete marketing strategist is a change agent and change starts with proper communication.

Marketing Fundamentals – When someone asks me what they should be reading, I reply with Principles of Marketing by Dr. Philip Kotler. This is my honest answer and when it comes to the moment of facing the reality that this is a textbook that exceeds 1000 pages, most people (99% of the people who asked me this question, I’d estimate) reply with “Can you recommend something I can pick up at Borders?” I typically don’t even bother offering this recommendation anymore because most want a short, enjoyable book that they can read over a weekend. But a short, enjoyable book isn't what they need. Sure, the book was written before I was born, but it’s timeless in the sense that fundamentals are timeless. In basketball, the fundamentals of dribbling – head up, weight balanced over hips, ball on fingertips – haven’t changed from Cousy to Lebron. In marketing, the fundamentals – segmentation, targeting, positioning – haven’t either from Kotler to Mikailian. Learn them properly so you can maximize the next level.

Marketing Strategy – I haven’t run into any studies on this but I’d surmise that the best marketing strategists would be exceptional chess players. Not saying that you have to become the Bobby Fischer of marketing (thereby making you eccentric and unattractive to 90% of the opposite sex) but marketing strategy is a complete chess match. On the other end of the table sits your competition’s marketing strategist. Be too reliant on one move and you become too predictable. Be too risk-averse or risk-favorable and you may open your competitors to taking you out with an early attack or waiting you out and taking your market when you have no more ponds. I LOVE THIS GAME!

There are ebbs and flows to every strategic reality. Though a paper deliverable is a good start, more often than not, you’ll have to remain agile to adapt to the fluidity of the match. There are short-run moves (ex: promotions) and long-run moves (ex: advertising). Understanding the business engine, functional strategies and proper marketing fundamentals allows you to be creative and put it all together. Putting it together to get your result (i.e. dominate the competition by capturing the affection of the customers with minimal loss to your own company) is the game you have to love to truly “get” strategy. Did I mention I freakin' LOVE this game? Can I get next?

Tactics – I won’t belabor this for now. Facebook, Twitter, email marketing, SEO, PPC. These exist here as do most purported "marketing strategists/consultants" who we appreciate, but really, they are "marketing specialists". Please don’t get me wrong! We are addicted to new trends and new technologies. New trends and new technologies give us more options to choose from, more players to play with, when executing marketing strategy for the business/client we're serving. After all, the customers are driving these trends and technologies and you’ll need to pay close attention to the pulse of your environment. But it’s a full understanding the why and how of these tactics that transform a "marketing specialist" to a "complete marketing strategist".

More on each level of the eBC Pyramid to come on BoostStrapping. Next Monday, I will begin with a lengthy diatribe on Business Acumen.

Peace,

-johnny

eBoost Consulting's Guide to becoming a Complete Marketing Strategist | Part 1: Fundamentals

2009-05-28T13:10:07-07:00

Fundamentals are the key to being a complete marketing strategist. Everything we do at eBoost Consulting, everything we’ve achieved can be traced to how we approach business fundamentals and apply them to individual marketing cases for clients and ourselves.

The pyramid above displays the basic building blocks that we use to make a complete marketing leader. That is, someone who is strategic, cross-functional, intelligent and creative. Whomever comes to our company, we assess them on how rigorously they’ve attacked the fundamentals and how aggressively do they continue to work at the fundamentals. If you’re weak on one of these levels, the pyramid falls apart. Nowadays, the space is ripe with one-trick ponies. And there are plenty of people with great tactical skill but if they don’t know how to apply those tactics to the big picture, then what good are they?

But most people, particularly those of the Gen Y clan, don’t want to deal with that. They’re looking for instant gratification, the shortest route to promotion, to that next title. Perhaps they don’t learn segmentation practices because they don’t like analytical work. Perhaps they don’t develop proper communication with Operations or Finance because they rely on communicating with marketing peers with similar communication skills. Perhaps this is you? Sure, you can get away with it for a while but the deficiencies will catch up with you sooner or later.

It’s like they’re so focused on composing a masterpiece that they never master the scales. And you can’t do one without the other. The minute you get away from fundamentals – whether its proper preparation, thought-processes, or work ethic – the bottom falls out easily.

When I was at Whole Foods Market, everyone said I was being held back. But I was taught the scales there. I was taught the importance of fundamentals and how to apply them to individual cases and my own propensity to be creative. The concept of being a complete leader was heavily stressed and imposed. When I got to eBoost Consulting and applied my learning to include new digital tools, I had a strong foundation to work from. I knew the way to approach learning and I developed a feel for what would be flashes-in-the-pan or solid tools. It allows me to be decisive. It allows me to save time.

When you understand the building blocks, you begin to see how the entire operation works. You know what tools to use, which frameworks will click to bring out the best in your team.

People are often surprised that I spend so much time on the whiteboard in meetings when we made our name on being cutting-edge. They ask if we knew which frameworks, which tools we were using. My answer is always no. Tools change. But the fundamentals remain the same. I assess the distinct abilities and personality traits of the personnel in the room because I am always confident in my understanding of fundamentals and my ability to apply the fundamentals to any canvas. Give me a $10,000 brainstorming software or give me the back of the napkin. The results will be the same.

It comes down to a very simple saying: there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Peter Drucker once noted that effectiveness comes before efficiency. Not the other way around. Get the fundamentals down to be effective and then your level of efficiency and probability for success will raise.

More to come on The eBC Pyramid tomorrow.

-johnny

The above excerpt is adapted from the chapter “Fundamentals” from I Can’t Accept Not Trying: Michael Jordan on the Pursuit of Excellence.

Introducing Alpha Gamma Omega!

2009-05-27T19:09:39-07:00

Just Like Octomom, We Are Extending Our Family!

Bad analogy? Man. Two days in a row. Anyhow, Alpha Epsilon announced its selections for the summer internship class. They called the Fave 5 today. Lucky for you, we got their calls on video. Though only Heather and Aparna picked up, our current interns (minus Sunshine) still had fun with it. I'm only posting the Heather video for real estate's sake. Flip our YouTube station to watch the rest. They are under the eBoost Intern Videos playlist. While you're there, subscribe to the channel if the mood just so happens to strike ya.

peace,
-johnny

Top 10??? Someone call Letterman...

2009-05-26T20:08:49-07:00

San Diego Business Journal Names eBoost Consulting On Top 10 Best Places to Work in San Diego.

Cleverly, this means "10" in marketing gang signs. Real talk.

Update (May 27, 2009): Read the press release! Input in the good ol' social media press release format. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/05/prweb2465614.htm

So this is what Nixon must've felt like when he tossed the victory signs up like they were going out of business. Bad analogy? Perhaps. I wasn't even born yet, and neither were any other eBoosters come to think of it. What was I talking about again? Oh. Right. eBoost Consulting being ranked as the #1 Marketing Firm to work for in the 10th Annual San Diego Business Journal Best Places to Work Awards!

If you missed our original post about eBoost Consulting being named as one of the top 50, pop this. And while you're at it, watch this video I cut up. I'll wait.

To say we were stoked about finding out we are top 10 in the small business category would be a severe understatement! A few other companies *cough* Nautilus *cough* said they would beat us. Therefore, our year of trash-talking begins now.

One word simply cannot describe our feeling towards this honor. So what do I do? I go around using the Flip Cam and ask everyone to give one word to describe it. I call this being "counterintuitive". That's Sun Tzu stuff. For the Geaker-maniacs out there, yes, Geaks is notably missing - likely saving a child (again) or doing pushups in the parking lot (again) or something. But I'm sure he'd say something like, "bad-action". Amber is also notably missing - likely doing work whilst getting in the zone to the New Kids On The Block station on Pandora. I'm sure she'd say, "lock-it-down!".

As for me? I think Walt Whitman said it best when he said, "Swizneat." Press release will be out tomorrow. (Correction: Read the press release here and now).

Go ahead and click the play button. Go ahead. Really. Do it.

peace,
-johnny

Marketing on Facebook | 5 Takeaway Lessons

2009-04-27T12:12:39-07:00

Last Friday, Karen Marchetti (or as we call her, "KMarch" - yes, everyone gets a nickname once indoctrinated in the eBoost Consulting Family) invited us to present at San Diego Software Industry Council on the topic of marketing on Facebook. Quite cleverly, we entitled it, "Marketing on Facebook | 5 Takeaway Lessons". This is an off-shoot of a presentation we use to drive home the topic when we train internal corporate marketing teams on leading, managing and executing on social media marketing initiatives.

Below is the slidedeck - it was featured on the SlideShare homepage this weekend and is currently being showcased on the Business & Mgmt page by their editorial team. It will remain there for next 16-20 hours.

Tweet to your Tweeps, peeps! =) And let us know your feedback. This is our first time posting any of our presentations on SlideShare - experimental. But if the feedback is there, then we'll post more. We've got dozens of these in the vault...otherwise known as our server.

-johnny

P.S. - special shout-out to SDSIC for inviting us again to speak. It's always a blast working with such a professional team that really takes care of its presenters/speakers. Karen, Jill, and the rest of the crew are amazing. If you are in the San Diego area and want to stay on top of their events, I highly encourage you to become a fan of SDSIC on Facebook.

P.P.S- big nod to Garr Reynolds, who inspired this presentation with his work posted on his blog, PresentationZen. Also, thanks to Nielsen and Forrester for the supporting datapoints.

Marketing on Facebook | 5 Takeaway Lessons

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Allocating Marketing Resources After the Recession (Pt 1)

2009-04-20T15:50:26-07:00

Marketing Strategists' Mental Minefields

Much like love, the marketing strategist's mind can also be a battlefield.

So you've been marketing in a recession. You made the necessary adjustments in your marketing mix, shed unprofitable customers and focused in on your most revenue-now marketing initiatives. This series of posts will describe the way that you can take steps today to ensure that your business performs well on the upswing.

Step 1: Get your mind right.

As we've noted before, thoughts turn into actions. So to get results as a strategists on the flip side of the recession, then your mind has to be reprogrammed. Needless to say, step 1 in allocating marketing resources after the recession is to get your mind right.

It's been well cited that the longer and deeper a recession is, the more likely consumers will adjust their attitudes and behaviors permanently. Their coping mechanisms may become ingrained and define a new normal.

This is a mental minefield that consumers are prone to and you may be aware of.

But what marketing strategists often fail to consider is that they way they strategize may have adjusted as well. For instance, if your CEO has been urging you to only spend on short-term performance initiatives for the past year, then it may have changed your philosophy more than you realize.

This is a real phenomena, folks, and if you intend on making the right maneuvers now to capitalize on competitor weaknesses, then there are three types of mental minefields you need to be aware of.

1. The Mindfulness Trap - Even if you were to draft a sensational, well-balanced marketing strategy, there will be times when (a) the boat is rocked and you'll have to make adjustments and/or (b) your CEO is mandating that you need to cut back to initiatives that "only perform" (i.e. short run marketing). The tendency to be pulled into a short-term perspective by the pressure of daily activities. This scenario is very likely and you'll have to be mindful of where your actions are germinated from.

2. The Cognitive Trap - Under duress, most marketing strategists will make the assumption that short-run marketing initiatives and long-run marketing initiatives exist in an either-or world. That is, if you run branding, then you can't run PPC. Nonsense! Nothing exists in a vacuum, and budget is a large component of marketing, you can have your cake and eat it too. This is where principles such as hedging marketing bets come into play.

3. The Self-Knowledge Trap - Henry Mintzberg, a pioneering management scholar, once demonstrated that managers often see themselves as strategic visionaries, though in practice they spend a remarkably small proportion of their time on anything strategic. Instead, they focused more on transactional activities. The trap here is that there is a disparity between what marketing strategists think and what they actually do. This isn't to say that you shouldn't be executing on tasks, but if you think tactically more so than strategically, then you may have a problem. This trap is perhaps the one
we encounter the most during our Executive Education courses.

What I encourage you to do today is a self-audit on which trap(s) you are most prone to. Increased self-awareness inevitably leads to improved leadership.

Till Step 2...

-johnny

eBoost Consulting IS one of San Diego Business Journal's 50 Best Places to Work!

2009-04-07T21:47:37-07:00

True Story: in 2006, Micha, Nick and I were throwing the football around the office at 6760 University, talking big thoughts, thinking big talk. We came to the consensus that accolades are great and all, but the biggest award that we could ever strive for was to be considered as the BEST place to work in San Diego. To be considered the best among your team was the pinnacle of success for us and earlier last year, we set out to accomplish this goal in 2009.

Fast forward to today (4/7/2009), we received a letter stating the following from San Diego Business Journal:

"Congratulations! Out of all of the companies who participated in the San Diego Business Journal's Best Places to Work Awards, only 50 companies have qualified. We are pleased to announce your firm is one of the San Diego Business Journal's 50 Best Places to Work in San Diego and will be recognized at our upcoming event."

It goes on to read, "Hor d'oeuvres will be served and beverages will be available. Parking is complimentary." Needless to say, as people with a blog called BoostStrapping, we're feelin' the free. Who's with me?

To say we're stoked about this would be an understatement. We've set out to be a company made up of best friends who have fun, laugh and beat up on our clients' competitors. Thank you San Diego Business Journal. But really, more importantly, thank you to everyone who makes up the eBoost family. In no order: Katita Banana, Alli G, Killer Kill from Deville, Dee, Jen "Quick & Dirty", Nick "Rainmaker", E-Sauce, F-Bomb, Ambah, Geakerson, MC Lite, DJ Lokal, Torres, Tat, DJ E-Dobbs, Petar Pablo, AP, Early B, Neil "Hearts-a-Flutta" Dutta, CK1, Justin Credible, Kolb Stone, Steph Infection, Mini Micha, Doody, East Bay, TP, THE Jason Kirby, Beau-dacious, Ed-vard-son, Nicole, Special K, Marcel Marcel, Nickel, and Big Euro Sexy Micha. I have no qualms with saying, this award is because of us.

Pop the play to see a vignette of Preparing for the Upturn and a quickie retrospective of a few events that helped shaped eBoost. You know what time it is.

-johnny

P.S. - Coincidentally, we will be out of office tomorrow on a team-building exercise in Julian. Alls we know is that there will be an obstacle course. The interns may or may not make it back... That wouldn't nullify our award, would it...?