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In honor of Michael Spencer's passing, I have posted it here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h1&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-classic-too-much-heaven-part-3#more-7511"&gt;Too Much Heaven?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think it’s telling that the two most prolific evangelism programs  in evangelicalism both approach their audience with questions that Jesus  never used.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Do you know that God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your  life?”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“If you were to die tonight, and God were to asked you, why  should I let you into my heaven, what would be your answer?”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;According to Mark, Jesus did not approach his world with a question  at all, but with a proclamation.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0);"&gt;Mark 1:14 Now  after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel  of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God  is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span id="more-7511"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;His first public sermon was much the  same: a proclamation of the arrival of the Kingdom of God.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Luke 4:16 And he  came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom,  he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. 17  And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the  scroll and found the place where it was written,&lt;br /&gt;18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,&lt;br /&gt;because he has anointed me&lt;br /&gt;to proclaim good news to the poor.&lt;br /&gt;He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives&lt;br /&gt;and recovering of sight to the blind,&lt;br /&gt;to set at liberty those who are oppressed,&lt;br /&gt;19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”&lt;br /&gt;20 And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat  down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 And he  began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your  hearing.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;Evangelicalism&lt;/span&gt; is a  religion of decisions and transactions. Jesus proclaims the arrival of  the reign of God. There are decisions to be made, but reducing the  Gospel to a decision to accept “God’s plan for my life” or giving the  right answer to the question of how to go to heaven seems to have moved  well past what Jesus was doing in his earthly ministry.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The decisions most often presented to Jesus’ hearers were 1) the  decision to recognize the reality of the Kingdom of God and 2) the  decision to recognize Jesus as the messiah who is bringing that Kingdom  into the world.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;As useful as John 3:16 is as a summary of the Gospel, it is not an  entirely useful summary of Jesus as we meet him in the synoptic Gospels.  “Eternal life” is the life of God available in the present, It is  John’s version of saying “The Kingdom of God is upon you.”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;In passages where Jesus seems to be inviting “decision,” he is in  reality inviting a reordering of life based on recognition of the  Kingdom of God and recognizing the Messiah as God with us. N.T. Wright  has rightly pointed out that this is a proclamation telling us about a  whole new world, and our response to it truly amounts to entering or  refusing a “new creation” that is “born again” through Jesus.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Where is heaven in this? Certainly not absent, but even more  certainly not central or prominent. Jesus invites sinners to believe  they are forgiven. He invites all persons into a Kingdom of grace and  into the missio dei. The Kingdom of God will eventual overturn all the  fallen, pretentious kingdoms of men. “Heaven” is the reign of God seen  from the Godward side, and we pray that it will come on earth as God  answers the prayer that his will is done “on earth as it is in heaven.”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Inviting people to reserve a place in heaven is shortchanging the  Gospel, and creates the problem of justifying the demands of the Kingdom  of God in the interim. In the Great Commission, Jesus calls us to  evangelism that invites persons to become disciples, obeying all that he  commanded. This is not a second level of “fine print.” It is the  Kingdom of Heaven and Jesus the Messiah as they are to be presented to  the world.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The most important question for many of us is how to place the cross  of Jesus in the context of the entire offer of the Kingdom while keeping  the Kingdom message of Jesus in its prominent place.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;A text like 2 Corinthians 5 seems to get this balance correct.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0);"&gt; 14 For the love  of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has  died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that  those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for  their sake died and was raised.&lt;br /&gt;16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even  though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him  thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new  creation.* The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All  this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave  us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was  reconciling* the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against  them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore,  we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We  implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake  he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become  the righteousness of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;To &lt;/span&gt;the extent that our  status as persons “unreconciled” to God is a barrier to entering the new  creation, Christ has reconciled us. In fact, that reconciliation is  spoken of as a past fact from God’s side and only a question from our  side, i.e. will we enter into a reconciled relationship and become  ambassadors of reconciliation.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The death of Christ as our substitute and sacrifice is the focus of  that mediation. In a sense, the cross is central in our reconciliation,  but Christ and the Kingdom of God are central in the Christian message.  There is no conflict here at all, as the cross shows us how it is  possible for Christ to say “it has pleased the Father to give you the  Kingdom.”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The promises of God come to us by the mediation of Jesus. That  mediation exists in Jesus as a person, but is focused for us in the  event of the cross, where the power of the Kingdom defeats the powers of  evil and demonstrates the love of God in taking sin and death upon  himself that we might walk in newness of life in the reign of God.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;When Paul says he “knows nothing” but the cross, he is not setting up  a tension between cross and Kingdom. He is simply saying there is only  one messiah: the crucified one. As astonishing as it sounded to the ears  of Jews, Greeks and Romans, God’s cornerstone of the Kingdom was the  stone that was rejected, cursed and nailed to the cross.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;So the resurrection and the ascension of Jesus demonstrate that this  crucified messiah is the victorious, vindicated King. He has brought the  Kingdom to us through incarnation, suffering, death and resurrection.  He is the “door,” the “way, truth and life.” He is the one who, having  taken all our burdens upon himself can now invite us into the Kingdom of  heaven, the new creation, and the new Jerusalem.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;All of this underlines that our evangelism needs to preach Jesus, and  not as a means to an end, but as the center of all that God offers to  us. Christ is the Gospel. Jesus = salvation in every sense. At any  moment we encounter Christ in the Gospel we are, in this one person,  experiencing both Kingdom and Cross, reconciliation and invitation to  discipleship, acceptance and Great Commission, missio dei as our purpose  and as good news to each one of us.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Present Jesus Christ in the fullness of the Gospel presentation:  mediator, kingdom-bringer, reconciler, teacher, Lord, discipler,…and you  will have presented all the evangel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-2145267860532564599?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/WZQ2ACT2Aq0" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/WZQ2ACT2Aq0/true-evangelism.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2010/05/true-evangelism.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-9062785183454058257</guid><pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-02-09T21:48:58.690-08:00</atom:updated><title>Jesus Prayer III</title><description>&lt;p&gt;Trying to pray repetitively is an inner asceticism. According to St Ignatius Brianchaninov, trying to pray without ceasing is a "hidden martyrdom."&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;A casual, but profound, example of this came to a small group of high school students. They were visiting a home for unwed mothers. The woman who directs the home spoke to them for a half hour. Because the woman sensed that the students were wondering about her own faith commitment, she said, "Well, you have been here 30 minutes and I have prayed 15 times." She hadn't been out of their sight, nor out of their conversation. Yet, during the active interchange, this woman found the desire, attention, and time, to shoot 15 "arrow" prayers to God. That's keen vigilance. That's a hidden martyrdom, especially when attempted all day long.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Prayer requires super-human courage, given the atmosphere of the world today. The whole ensemble of natural energies is in opposition. So says Sophrony.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Lions may not eat us for the sake of the Gospel. Rather, our call to martyrdom takes the form of being attentive to the present moment, relying upon God's power always, and doing His will. Our call to martyrdom may not be any easier than death by violence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-9062785183454058257?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/E3njyGJ4lUk" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/E3njyGJ4lUk/jesus-prayer-iii.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2010/02/jesus-prayer-iii.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-5867834525350837283</guid><pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-02-07T15:49:07.585-08:00</atom:updated><title>Jesus "Fight Club"</title><description>I just saw this article from "&lt;a href="http://www.theweek.com/article/index/105834/Fists_for_Jesus"&gt;The Week&lt;/a&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am speechless and heartbroken; but not surprised.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your thoughts?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h1&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Fists for Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;       &lt;h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Some Evangelical churches are using "Fight Club"–style Ultimate Fighting leagues to covert more men. Would Christ approve?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;div id="articleRight"&gt;&lt;div class="captionPhoto"&gt;                                  &lt;p&gt;Christian fight clubs: Is this what Jesus would do?&lt;/p&gt; A small but growing number of evangelical churches are using &lt;a href="http://life.hereisthecity.com/get_cultured/entertainment/culture/695.cntns"&gt;cage fighting&lt;/a&gt; programs to increase their odds of converting young men, &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/us/02fight.html?hp"&gt;reports the New York Times&lt;/a&gt;. Pastors say they hope to "inject" some irresistible &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/us/02fight.html?hp"&gt;"machismo&lt;/a&gt;" into their ministries by incorporating the bloody, but increasingly popular, sport of mixed martial arts: "What led me to find Christ was that Jesus was a fighter," Brandon Beals, 37, lead pastor at &lt;a href="http://www.canyoncreekonline.com/"&gt;Canyon Creek Church&lt;/a&gt; outside of Seattle, told the Times. Is brawling consistent with Christianity? (&lt;a href="http://www.theweek.com/article/index/105868/Video_Diego_Sanchezs_cage_fighting_highlights"&gt;See Diego Sanchez, a devout Christian cage-fighter, compete&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Christ would not approve:&lt;/strong&gt; I must have missed the Beatitude that goes "Blessed are the face beaters, for they shall inherit all the publicity," &lt;a href="http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2010/02/because_nothing_says_follower.php"&gt;says Betsy Phillips in Nashville Scene&lt;/a&gt;. Instead of trying to "trick men into coming back to church" by suggesting Jesus wants them to "beat the crap out of [their] friends," why not just refocus the church around a fiestier Viking diety: "Odinist fight clubs," anyone?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2010/02/because_nothing_says_follower.php"&gt;"Because nothing says 'follower of the Prince of Peace' like punching a dude in the face"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Wouldn't approve? Jesus was a rough-and-tumble guy:&lt;/strong&gt; People tend to forget that Jesus hung out with "prostitutes, drunkards, and tax collectors," &lt;a href="http://sg.christianpost.com/dbase/ministries/1347/section/1.htm"&gt;says Edmund Chua in The Christian Post&lt;/a&gt;. The Apostle Paul saw this, and advocated using "contemporary pop culture" to bring people to Christ. "Holiness is not a matter of table manners," and Christians shouldn't hide in church.&lt;a href="http://sg.christianpost.com/dbase/ministries/1347/section/1.htm"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Most Christians Stuck in Church: Kong Hee"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Men need to know there's a place for them in church&lt;/strong&gt;: It's easy to laugh at pastors who use a brutal sport "to sell Christianity," &lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/roddreher/2010/02/mma-manly-christianity.html"&gt;says Rod Dreher in &lt;em&gt;BeliefNet&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. But many young men truly feel that "church has become effete, something for women." The pastors' method may be "bizarre," but they are onto something — men need to know they can embrace religion without rejecting their masculinity.&lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/roddreher/2010/02/mma-manly-christianity.html"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"MMA and the Fight Club for Jesus"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This is a trend? Prove it:&lt;/strong&gt; Is there more to this "trend" than some "young men at a few parishes who [pummel] one another in the name of Christ"? &lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2243561/"&gt;asks Jack Shafer in Slate&lt;/a&gt;. Who knows? The Times lists just "three palooka ministries," and offers nothing beyond anecdotal evidence that this "Fight-Club-For-Jesus crowd" is growing.&lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2243561/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Bogus trend stories of the month"&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christianity and cage fighting go way back:&lt;/strong&gt; Evangelicals may be embracing cage fighting in greater numbers, but this isn't a new "trend," &lt;a href="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/02/times-highlights-growing-christian-interest-in-mixed-martial-arts/1"&gt;says Sergio Nan in USA Today&lt;/a&gt;. As soon as mixed martial arts migrated from Brazil and Japan to the Midwest, many of the best fighters went out of their way to "describe themselves as devout Christians."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/02/times-highlights-growing-christian-interest-in-mixed-martial-arts/1"&gt;"'Times' highlights growing Christian interest in mixed martial arts"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-5867834525350837283?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/nHyHKcTLSBU" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/nHyHKcTLSBU/jesus-fight-club.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>4</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2010/02/jesus-fight-club.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-7539867251685592467</guid><pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-02-06T14:45:36.921-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Jesus Prayer II</title><description>&lt;table style="width: 100%;" border="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr valign="top"&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans;font-size:100%;"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Pray Ceaselessly&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt; &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt; &lt;p&gt;We are all called to pray without ceasing, says St. Paul          in 1 Thess 5:17. The real questions is, &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The Jesus Prayer provides one good way to pray constantly. In fact, the Jesus Prayer is the most widespread and most specifically Orthodox spiritual prayer, according to Metropolitan Corneanu.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Our task is to draw nearer to God. St. Isaac of Syria says that it is impossible to draw near to God by any means other than &lt;em&gt;increasing prayer&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-7539867251685592467?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/JqnMStq8cF4" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/JqnMStq8cF4/jesus-prayer-ii.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2010/02/jesus-prayer-ii.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-3885041579020451852</guid><pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:18:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-02-03T23:30:21.520-08:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Prayer</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Eastern Orthodoxy</category><title>The Jesus Prayer</title><description>The"Jesus prayer" has been a powerful tool for me in my spiritual life.  As such, I would like to pass on that blessing to you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am going to post daily on the practice of praying the "Jesus Prayer" and how you can grow closer to Jesus through the process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0);font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Special thanks to &lt;a href="http://chriserdman.com/"&gt;Chris Erdman&lt;/a&gt; for discovering this resource and Albert Rossi at&lt;a href="http://www.svots.edu/"&gt; Saint Vladmir's Seminary&lt;/a&gt; for developing it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial,helvetica,sans;font-size:small;"  &gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;"Prayer is                Not Optio&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.svots.edu/images/stories/bethany.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 304px; height: 464px;" src="http://www.svots.edu/images/stories/bethany.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial,helvetica,sans;font-size:small;"  &gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;nal"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;A layman, at the St Vladimir's Seminary Summer Institute, wrote this sentence as the most important thing he learned all week.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial,helvetica,sans;font-size:small;"  &gt; &lt;strong&gt;Which Words?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The classical form of the Jesus Prayer is,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;strong&gt;Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me,                a sinner.&lt;/strong&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;The actual words of our short prayers can vary. We might say the classic version of the Jesus Prayer, or we might say, "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me." We may say, "Lord Jesus, have mercy." Or, we might say a Psalm verse, or a Bible quote, or some other prayer.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Monks of old said, "Lord, make haste to help me. Lord, make speed                to save me," all day long.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The history of the Jesus Prayer goes back, as far as we know, to the early sixth century, with Diadochos, who taught that repetition of the prayer leads to inner stillness. Even earlier John Cassian recommended this type of prayer. In the fourth century Egypt, in Nitria, short "arrow" prayers were practiced.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Abba Macarius of Egypt said there is no need to waste time with words. It is enough to hold out your hands and say, "Lord, according to your desire and your wisdom, have mercy." If pressed in the struggle, say, "Lord, save me!" or say, "&lt;em&gt;Lord.&lt;/em&gt;" He knows what is best                for us, and will have mercy upon us.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-3885041579020451852?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/vmBcy-mjrjM" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/vmBcy-mjrjM/jesus-prayer.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2010/02/jesus-prayer.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-302649644500962773</guid><pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-02-02T18:42:10.167-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Missional Church... Simple</title><description>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/arxfLK_sd68&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/arxfLK_sd68&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-302649644500962773?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/QZPdzGTgQfY" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/QZPdzGTgQfY/missional-church-simple.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2010/02/missional-church-simple.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-4949769960533986310</guid><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:54:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-26T00:59:13.254-07:00</atom:updated><title>Back with Hauerwas</title><description>Whew!  That was quite a fast.  I haven't blogged in about two months!  It has actually been a great experience.  But now I'm back and I have an overwhelming amount to talk about.  However, time is tight this next week so my posts will be short and filled with links.  To begin, here is a great article by a Christian ethicist discussing how Protestants should NOT celebrate Reformation Day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a long one but it is worth every minute you spend on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center;"&gt;29 October 1995&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: center;"&gt;by Stanley Hauerwas&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel+2%3A23-32');" class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel+2%3A23-32"&gt;Joel 2:23-32&lt;/a&gt; – &lt;a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A6-8%2C+16-18');" class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A6-8%2C+16-18"&gt;2 Timothy 4:6-8, 16-18&lt;/a&gt; – &lt;a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14');" class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14"&gt;Luke 18:9-14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span id="more-1626"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;img class="size-full wp-image-2790 alignnone" title="WittenbergDoor" src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/WittenbergDoor.jpg" alt="WittenbergDoor" height="375" width="500" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Wittenberg Door&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I must begin by telling you that I do not like to preach on Reformation Sunday. Actually I have to put it more strongly than that. I do not like Reformation Sunday, period. I do not understand why it is part of the church year. Reformation Sunday does not name a happy event for the Church Catholic; on the contrary, it names failure. Of course, the church rightly names failure, or at least horror, as part of our church year. We do, after all, go through crucifixion as part of Holy Week. Certainly if the Reformation is to be narrated rightly, it is to be narrated as part of those dark days.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Reformation names the disunity in which we currently stand. We who remain in the Protestant tradition want to say that Reformation was a success. But when we make Reformation a success, it only ends up killing us. After all, the very name ‘Protestantism’ is meant to denote a reform movement of protest within the Church Catholic. When Protestantism becomes an end in itself, which it certainly has through the mainstream denominations in America, it becomes anathema. If we no longer have broken hearts at the church’s division, then we cannot help but unfaithfully celebrate Reformation Sunday.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;For example, note what the Reformation has done for our reading texts like that which we hear from Luke this morning. We Protestants automatically assume that the Pharisees are the Catholics. They are the self-righteous people who have made Christianity a form of legalistic religion, thereby destroying the free grace of the Gospel. We Protestants are the tax collectors, knowing that we are sinners and that our lives depend upon God’s free grace. And therefore we are better than the Catholics because we know they are sinners. What an odd irony that the Reformation made such readings possible. As Protestants we now take pride in the acknowledgment of our sinfulness in order to distinguish ourselves from Catholics who allegedly believe in works-righteousness.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Unfortunately, the Catholics are right. Christian salvation consists in works. To be saved is to be made holy. To be saved requires our being made part of a people separated from the world so that we can be united in spite of — or perhaps better, because of — the world’s fragmentation and divisions. Unity, after all, is what God has given us through Christ’s death and resurrection. For in that death and resurrection we have been made part of God’s salvation for the world so that the world may know it has been freed from the powers that would compel us to kill one another in the name of false loyalties. All that is about the works necessary to save us.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;For example, I often point out that at least Catholics have the magisterial office of the Bishop of Rome to remind them that disunity is a sin. You should not overlook the significance that in several important documents of late, John Paul II has confessed the Catholic sin for the Reformation. Where are the Protestants capable of doing likewise? We Protestants feel no sin for the disunity of the Reformation. We would not know how to confess our sin for the continuing disunity of the Reformation. We would not know how to do that because we have no experience of unity.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The magisterial office — we Protestants often forget — is not a matter of constraining or limiting diversity in the name of unity. The office of the Bishop of Rome is to ensure that when Christians move from Durham, North Carolina to Syracuse, New York, they have some confidence when they go to church that they will be worshiping the same God. Because Catholics have an office of unity, they do not need to restrain the gifts of the Spirit. As I oftentimes point out, it is extraordinary that Catholicism is able to keep the Irish and the Italians in the same church. What an achievement! Perhaps equally amazing is their ability to keep within the same church Jesuits, Dominicans, and Franciscans.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I think Catholics are able to do that because they know that their unity does not depend upon everyone agreeing. Indeed, they can celebrate their disagreements because they understand that our unity is founded upon the cross and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth that makes the Eucharist possible. They do not presume, therefore, that unity requires that we all read Scripture the same way.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This creates a quite different attitude among Catholics about their relation to Christian tradition and the wider world. Protestants look over to Christian tradition and say, ‘How much of this do we have to believe in order to remain identifiably Christian?’ That’s the reason why Protestants are always tempted to rationalism: we think that Christianity is to be identified with sets of beliefs more than with the unity of the Spirit occasioned through sacrament.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Moreover, once Christianity becomes reduced to a matter of belief, as it clearly has for Protestants, we cannot resist questions of whether those beliefs are as true or useful as other beliefs we also entertain. Once such questions are raised, it does not matter what the answer turns out in a given case. As James Edwards observes, “Once religious beliefs start to compete with other beliefs, then religious believers are — and will know themselves to be — mongerers of values. They too are denizens of the mall, selling and shopping and buying along with the rest of us.”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In contrast, Catholics do not begin with the question of “How much do we need to believe?” but with the attitude “Look at all the wonderful stuff we get to believe!” Isn’t it wonderful to know that Mary was immaculately conceived in order to be the faithful servant of God’s new creation in Jesus Christ! She therefore becomes the firstborn of God’s new creation, our mother, the first member of God’s new community we call church. Isn’t it wonderful that God continued to act in the world through the appearances of Mary at Guadalupe! Mary must know something because she seems to always appear to peasants and, in particular, to peasant women who have the ability to see her. Most of us would not have the ability to see Mary because we’d be far too embarrassed by our vision.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Therefore Catholics understand the church’s unity as grounded in reality more determinative than our good feelings for one another. The office of Rome matters. For at least that office is a judgment on the church for our disunity. Surely it is the clear indication of the sin of the Reformation that we Protestants have not been able to resist nationalistic identifications. So we become German Lutherans, American Lutherans, Norwegian Lutherans. You are Dutch Calvinist, American Presbyterians, Church of Scotland. I am an American Methodist, which has precious little to do with my sisters and brothers in English Methodism. And so we Protestant Christians go to war killing one another in the name of being American, German, Japanese, and so on.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;At least it becomes the sin of Rome when Italian Catholics think they can kill Irish Catholics in the name of being Italian. Such divisions distort the unity of the Gospel found in the Eucharist and, thus, become judgments against the church of Rome. Of course, the Papacy has often been unfaithful and corrupt, but at least Catholics preserved an office God can use to remind us that we have been and may yet prove unfaithful. In contrast, Protestants don’t even know we’re being judged for our disunity.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I realize that this perspective on Reformation Sunday is not the usual perspective. The usual perspective is to tell us what a wonderful thing happened at the Reformation. The Reformation struck a blow for freedom. No longer would we be held in medieval captivity to law and arbitrary authority. The Reformation was the beginning of enlightenment, of progressive civilizations, of democracy, that have come to fruition in this wonderful country called America. What a destructive story.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;You can tell the destructive character of that narrative by what it has done to the Jews. The way we Protestants read history, and in particular our Bible, has been nothing but disastrous for the Jews. For we turned the Jews into Catholics by suggesting that the Jews had sunk into legalistic and sacramental religion after the prophets and had therefore become moribund and dead. In order to make Jesus explicable (in order to make Jesus look like Luther — at least the Luther of our democratic projections), we had to make Judaism look like our characterization of Catholicism. Yet Jesus did not free us from Israel; rather, he engrafted us into the promise of Israel so that we might be a people called to the same holiness of the law.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I realize that the suggestion that salvation is to be part of a holy people constituted by the law seems to deny the Reformation principle of justification by faith through grace. I do not believe that to be the case, particularly as Calvin understood that Reformation theme. After all, Calvin (and Luther) assumed that justification by faith through grace is a claim about God’s presence in Jesus of Nazareth. So justification by faith through grace is not some general truth about our need for acceptance; but rather justification by faith through grace is a claim about the salvation wrought by God through Jesus to make us a holy people capable of remembering that God’s salvation comes through the Jews. When the church loses that memory, we lose the source of our unity. For unity is finally a matter of memory, of how we tell the story of the Reformation. How can we tell this story of the church truthfully as Protestants and Catholics so that we might look forward to being in union with one another and thus share a common story of our mutual failure?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We know, after all, that the prophecy of Joel has been fulfilled. The portents of heaven, the blood and fire, the darkness of the sun, the bloody moon have come to pass in the cross of our Savior Jesus Christ. Now all who call on that name will be saved. We believe that we who stand in the Reformation churches are survivors. But to survive we need to recover the unity that God has given us as survivors. So on this Reformation Sunday long for, pray for, our ability to remember the Reformation – not as a celebratory moment, not as a blow for freedom, but as the sin of the church. Pray for God to heal our disunity, not the disunity simply between Protestant and Catholic, but the disunity in our midst between classes, between races, between nations. Pray that on Reformation Sunday we may as tax collectors confess our sin and ask God to make us a new people joined together in one might prayer that the world may be saved from its divisions.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;(&lt;em&gt;&lt;a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.divinity.duke.edu/portal_memberdata/shauerwas');" href="http://www.divinity.duke.edu/portal_memberdata/shauerwas" target="_blank"&gt;Stanley Hauerwas&lt;/a&gt; is the Gilbert T. Rowe Professor of Theological Ethics at Duke Divinity School.&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-4949769960533986310?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/m_no-UJVfnM" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/m_no-UJVfnM/back-with-hauerwas.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>7</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/10/back-with-hauerwas.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-2127207600290928542</guid><pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-31T00:25:34.170-07:00</atom:updated><title>Fasting</title><description>I truly enjoy my online connections.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I like blogging.  I love reading blogs.  I tweet.  I Facebook.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While these activities have many benefits, they also have drawbacks.  For one, no form of online communication is equal to face-to-face communication.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the next two weeks I will be practicing the spiritual discipline of relationships.  I am going to work at be more intentional in my face-to-face time with others.  As part of this spiritual practice I will also be fasting from blogging, facebook, twitter, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm sure I'll have some interesting thoughts to write about when I return.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shalom,&lt;br /&gt;Scott&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-2127207600290928542?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/J3einR6JHXM" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/J3einR6JHXM/fasting.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/fasting.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-7957289690438403180</guid><pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-25T16:18:09.255-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Worship</category><title>iMonk the Roman Catholic?</title><description>Earlier today &lt;a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/"&gt;iMonk&lt;/a&gt; made the anouncement, "If I become Lutheran, Anglican, or Catholic, it will be because I watched this too many times."  I agree with iMonk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nsHH_HYSkH8&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nsHH_HYSkH8&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the words of an Orthodox Bishop,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;We do not gather for worship to be entertained, to be "relevant," or to "appeal" to this group's "taste" at the expense of the whole. While humans have the need to worship, worship must offer a glimpse of the divine, not an affirmation of humanity. Worship must always be seen as focused on God, period, and not on "me." &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Enjoyment" is not a goal of worship.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-7957289690438403180?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/HRsuys2c8-A" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/HRsuys2c8-A/imonk-roman-catholic.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>3</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/imonk-roman-catholic.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-4203592268886398427</guid><pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-21T22:34:23.545-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Theology</category><title>The Chicken or the Egg?</title><description>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is meant to be an unanswerable philosophical question.&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;*  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have noticed over the last several years that evangelical churches often fall into a trap which causes me to  question, "Which came first, theology or programing?"  Perhaps we could just ask, "Why do we do what we do at _______ Church?"  This is an important question but you may want to steer clear of actually asking it out loud.  Most of the time this puts pastors and leaders on the defensive.  It makes them nervous because they don't often have the answer.  That is a problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Disregard my caution, go ahead and try it sometime.  After the next Gaither concert/car show/movie night go up to your pastor and question why the church is doing the event.  9 times out of 10 you will get some quiet mumbling about fellowship.  It is not fellowship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then go on to ask how the church is helping to provide food, clothes, and other aid to those in your community who need it.  If there is more mumbling or a, "we give money to _________" response then you will have discovered that your church has fallen into the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Which came first?" &lt;/span&gt;trap.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope you will find a kind response as your pastor excitedly tells you the theological reason for _______ activity/program.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On second thought, in order to avoid an uncomfortable situation, you should probably just ask yourself the following questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;Is your church a community that values theological exploration?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right; color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;Is asking questions seen as a wonderful aspect of spiritual growth?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;Can ministry models, programs, staff structures, budgeting, etc., be questioned openly?  Would doing so get you labeled as a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;dissenter&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;, a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;trouble maker&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;, or something even more marginalizing?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;Are you comfortable asking &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;why &lt;/span&gt;about anything and everything?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;*Unless you are talking to a Fundamentalist Young Earth Creationist.  Then the answer is easy! :)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-4203592268886398427?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/PtxCYLXO3tA" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/PtxCYLXO3tA/chicken-or-egg.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>2</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/chicken-or-egg.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-217587631847561981</guid><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-19T19:53:25.364-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Theology</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">MB Biblical Seminary</category><title>Thinking About the Atonement</title><description>&lt;a href="http://www.mbseminary.edu/directory/geddert"&gt;Tim Geddert&lt;/a&gt; recently wrote a fantastic article published both in &lt;a href="http://www.usmb.org/christian-leader"&gt;Christian Leader&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.mbconf.ca/home/products_and_services/resources/publications/mb_herald/mb_herald_august_2009/"&gt;MB Herald&lt;/a&gt; which briefly discusses the major models of the atonement.  Although the article is written to members of the Mennonite Brethren denomination and as such includes a few denominationaly specific statements, it is still a wonderful explanation of what it means to be in a state of "at-one-ment" with God through Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;                  Thinking About The Atonement     &lt;/h2&gt;              &lt;h3&gt;&lt;em&gt;Reflections on the atonement and the questions that perplex us&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/h3&gt; &lt;strong&gt;By Tim Geddert&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Atonement is about “getting together again,” wiping the slate clean so that a relationship is restored. It is a tragic irony that conversations about Christ’s death and resurrection sometimes drive Christians apart. Unfortunately, where there are controversies there is often a great deal of miscommunication. &lt;/p&gt; The Bible provides a rich diversity of images that help us grasp the great miracle of reconciliation with God that Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplish. What a tragedy when, in our attempts to be faithful to the Bible’s authority on this central aspect of our faith, we end up speaking past each other, shrinking the Bible’s teaching to one narrow theory or quickly charging people with unfaithfulness to Scripture just because we do not quite see eye to eye.   &lt;p&gt;This article is my attempt to make sense of what is going on. I pray it will be helpful in clarifying our communication and moving us forward. It might even help us get together again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What does atonement mean?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Atonement,” both in the Bible and in theological discussion, has many facets. Yet the meaning of the word itself is pretty clear—it is about parties becoming “at one” (i.e., at-onement happens). The word is usually used to talk about restoring the relationship between God and people, and that is the focus of this discussion though the Bible also speaks of the restoration of all creation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are many aspects to a restored relationship with God, and as a result discussions about the atonement can become complicated. Theologians have put a great deal of effort into working out precisely how the death and resurrection of Jesus accomplish the atonement. Unfortunately, defenders of various views sometimes use the word atonement as though it means their view. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;When I use the word atonement, it means simply “becoming reconciled with God.” Christ’s death on the cross and his resurrection are not the atonement, they are the means of the atonement. Theories about how this all works are also not the atonement, they are simply our attempts to explain the atonement. What seems clear in Scripture is that there is more than one way to talk about what happens through the cross and Jesus’ resurrection.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What brings about atonement?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible is very clear: Christ accomplishes the atonement and does so most centrally through his death and resurrection. On the basis of Christ’s salvation work, we can be reconciled to God. Even Old Testament saints were reconciled through Christ’s work, though they lived before it was accomplished and at a time when they could not have understood all this. Their reconciliation with God sometimes involved animal sacrifices and sometimes did not (e.g., Leviticus 4:26; Psalm 32:1-2; Isaiah 6:7).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;In New Testament times we can also be reconciled with God without fully understanding how Christ’s finished works accomplish the atonement. We are called to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are clearly taught that Christ died for us (Rom. 5:8). Probing further, we find that the Bible gives us diverse responses and that theologians formulate diverse theories and doctrines.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What are atonement theories?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This may be oversimplified, but the main atonement theories that have been proposed throughout church history—including Mennonite history—can be differentiated like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ransom theories focus on the fact that humans (and the rest of creation) are enslaved to the wrong master until, through Jesus’ death, they are set free. The dominant image here is “manumission”—the act of setting slaves free. God ransomed Israel from Egyptian slavery and set them free. So also, through Jesus’ death, we are set free from slavery to sin and death. Some texts speak of Jesus buying us so that we can be made slaves of a new master, our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 7:23; Col. 1:13; 1 Tim. 2:6; Rev. 5:9).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Combat theories focus on the fact that through Jesus’ death and resurrection God won the decisive victory over the evil powers: Sin (not merely my personal sins, but Sin as a power), Death and behind all of these, the Devil. The Latin expression Christus Victor is often used to speak of this (2 Tim. 1:10; Heb. 2:14; 1 John 3:8). Some theologians combine these first two theories into one theory. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Penal satisfaction theories focus on the penalty for sin that God’s righteousness demands and on the fact that Jesus took our place, satisfying God’s demand for justice (Isa. 53:5; Rom. 3:25; 5:9; 1 John 2:2). This is probably the most widely accepted theory among many conservative evangelicals today, but it has not been the most widely accepted theory by the church through much of its history.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Moral influence theories focus on how Jesus, by willingly accepting even death as an expression of love, leads others also to choose a life of love and self-sacrifice in response (1 John 4:10,11,19).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Why pluralize “theories”?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some readers will have noticed that I talk about “theories” in each of the four categories above. These are not four theories but four types of theories. Within each of them there are variations on a theme, sometimes even contradictory claims.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ransom theories sometimes speculate on who was “paid off” to set us free from slavery. Did God pay Jesus to the devil? Did God trick the devil by taking the payment back again in the resurrection? Early church theologians often wisely stopped short of working out all the details—after all, it is an image, a metaphor, not an exact explanation of some salvation mechanism. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Combat theories sometimes focus mostly on the death of Jesus, emphasizing how Jesus exposed the futility and helplessness of the systems of evil and behind them, God’s ultimate enemy (cf. Col. 2:15). Others focus mostly on the resurrection as the place where Death and the ultimate Death-dealer, Satan, are decisively defeated.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Penal satisfaction theories emphasize God’s just demands and the dire consequences of rebelling against them. Jesus’ atoning sacrifice builds a bridge across the gap that our sin creates between humanity and God. Sometimes the focus is on how Jesus’ death covers our sin and changes us; sometimes it is on how Jesus’ death satisfies God’s honor and changes God’s disposition towards us.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Moral influence theories highlight the way Jesus served as a model of love, challenging us to learn to live up to that ideal. This view is inadequate as a theory of the atonement, and I will leave this category of atonement theories out of the rest of this discussion. Nevertheless, we throw out important biblical teaching if we do not emphasize the modeling function of Christ’s sacrificial death. Christ’s death was not only in our place; it was also a visible demonstration of how we also are to respond to others (1 Pet. 2:21). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In what sense is Jesus our substitute?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible presents the atonement through Jesus’ death on the cross as a “substitutionary atonement.” When Jesus died for us, he died to take our place, to do what we could not do, to accomplish what we could not accomplish. Now this is the most important point I want to make: All the major atonement theories present Jesus as our substitute!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ransom: &lt;/strong&gt;We could not buy back our own freedom from slavery to sin and death, so Jesus paid the price and set us free—free to be Christ’s slaves. Jesus did what we could not do; in paying the price he was our substitute!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Conquest:&lt;/strong&gt; We were too weak to defeat our enemies (and of course God’s); only God acting in and through Jesus could defeat the power of Sin and Death, could defeat the archenemy, Satan, and therefore deliver us from Satan’s dominion. Jesus did what we could not do; in overpowering the enemy, he was our substitute!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;P&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;enal Satisfaction:&lt;/strong&gt; The penalty for sin is death; if we had needed to pay for our sins, death would have been our final fate. But Jesus paid the penalty for us; he became our substitute.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Why so confusing?&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;p&gt;There are two reasons why all this gets confusing at times. First, many who prefer the penal satisfaction theory call it “substitutionary atonement.” That is very unfortunate, because in fact all three of the theories are about the atonement and all of them present Jesus as our substitute. To charge those who favor other theories over penal satisfaction with denying substitutionary atonement is just plain wrong.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Second, because some theologians defend only one theory and argue that only that one theory can be right, they typically highlight the positive aspects of their chosen theory and exaggerate problems with the ones they reject. That makes it very difficult for ordinary Bible readers to know who’s right. It is hard even to know what the main theories are because they are described so differently by supporters and by critics. Fighting tooth and nail for a theory obscures the fact that the Bible majors on images, symbols and narratives, while we split hairs over philosophical concepts and formulas.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Does the Bible favor penal satisfaction?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those who favor the penal satisfaction theory often claim it is the central picture, the main story line, what really happened. Other images are not rejected but interpreted within the penal satisfaction framework. What I find in Scripture is a strong focus on all three major theories and references to many more symbols and images besides these.&lt;br /&gt;Some respond, “But does the Bible not say over and over again, ‘Christ died for our sins’ implying penal satisfaction?” &lt;p&gt;The answer is that it does not. Most of the verses in the New Testament that say, “Christ died” end with something like “for the ungodly” or “for us” or “for all” or “for the brother” (e.g. Rom. 5:6,8; 2 Cor. 5:14; 1 Cor. 8:11). Only a few refer to sins, and when they do they sometimes explicitly define a theory of the atonement other than the penal satisfaction theory. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;A clear example of this is Hebrews 9:15: “He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins.” Moreover the Old Testament sacrifice that is most closely associated with Jesus’ death on the cross is not the “sin offering;” it is the “Passover lamb.” And that sacrifice was not to atone for Israel’s sins; it was a substitute for the firstborn. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;God accepted Israel’s Passover sacrifice and thus defeated their enemies (combat theory) and rescued them from slavery (ransom theory). Yes, Jesus died for our sins. But Jesus also died to defeat Sin, and Jesus died to set us free from Sin. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;What really happened is that God accomplished the atonement through the death and resurrection of Jesus. It is something like an innocent party paying a legal debt for the truly guilty, something like a victorious warrior defeating Sin and Death, something like a new master ransoming someone out of slavery. Out of these images and metaphors we construct theories and doctrines. But the theories and doctrines need to be responsive to all the biblical images and metaphors in order to offer a balanced statement of what God did through Christ.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Some suggest that the penal satisfaction theory must be the main theory, because Jesus’ death is portrayed as a sacrifice. But not nearly all sacrifices in the Bible have to do with removing sin. The Passover sacrifice was more about combat and liberation than about paying the penalty for sin. Some animal sacrifices were acts of thanksgiving and praise. Some were part of a cleansing ceremony. Some celebrated covenant making. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;When sacrifices were about sin, the focus was on removing the sin or satisfying God’s justice more than it was on appeasing God’s wrath. Actually, outside the book of Hebrews, Jesus’ death is called a sacrifice very rarely: once in Romans 3:25 where a form of penal satisfaction may be in view, once in 1 Corinthians 5:7 where a ransom theory is implied and once in Ephesians 5:2 where neither theory is clearly present (compare Eph. 5:2 with Phil. 4:18).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What’s next? &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So where do we go from here? We dialog about these things by trying to communicate as clearly as possible. We listen charitably to each other and refrain from crying heresy as soon as someone appears to reach conclusions we have questions about. We go back to the Bible and see what it says.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;And if you ask me, we allow the Bible to use a variety of metaphors and images of the atonement. I think we are better off if we accept the best of all the theories than if we limit Scripture by pressing all its claims into our narrowly defined boxes. “Jesus died for us!” That is the main thing. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Want to know where to go for the best concise statement on the atonement that I can find anywhere? Go to the &lt;a href="http://www.usmb.org/confession-of-faith---detailed-version"&gt;Mennonite Brethren Confession of Faith&lt;/a&gt;, Article 5. Our denomination has adopted this statement, and it is a good one. It encourages us to accept the breadth and depth of the whole witness of Scripture to this central aspect of our faith. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-217587631847561981?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/iVHQwnvD3wY" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/iVHQwnvD3wY/thinking-about-atonement.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/thinking-about-atonement.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-1915766939986094903</guid><pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:45:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-09T01:52:57.552-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Theology</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Worship</category><title>Your Mission: "Resacramentalize Evangelicalism"</title><description>&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);font-size:85%;" &gt;This post originally appeared on &lt;a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/your-mission-resacramentalize-evangelicalism"&gt;iMonk&lt;/a&gt;.  Once I read it I knew I had to repost it here for all of you because it so wonderfully mirrors my some of my own thoughts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;  Please take the time to read this fantastic evaluation of evangelicalism.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The discussion about &lt;a href="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/shaken-but-not-stirred-by-stadiumrock-spirituality-20090728-e02k.html?page=-1"&gt;the atheist’s report of attending a Planetshaker’s worship experience&lt;/a&gt; could be repeated a thousand times a week here at IM, and has been in various forms down through the 8 year history of this site. &lt;p&gt;Our Irish Catholic friend Martha, not being familiar with American evangelicals, had an epiphany in the middle of the discussion that’s worth reprinting:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Now see, here is the part that makes my head spin. &lt;p&gt;And I don’t want to sound like a proselytizing Catholic who’s criticizing the non-Catholics, because that’s not my intent, and we’re just as bad in the other direction.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;But I did have a real moment of cognitive dissonance (fancy term, heh?) when I tumbled to it that by “worship leader”, people meant the person in charge of the music.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I was going “But…but.. the pastor? minister? whatever you call the guy on the altar? okay, you don’t call it an altar, probably, but… but…”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;And that’s the head-spinning bit for me. Prayer isn’t worship, listening to the Scriptures isn’t worship, the service of the Lord’s Supper/Communion isn’t worship.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Worship means singing along (or more like, reading some of these posts, sitting and listening) to sub-rock songs. Worship means having a band (an actual band, with drums and guitars) playing and a soloist warbling.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;That’s worship? Or a rock concert for the formerly hip and the non-hip (amongst whom I’d include myself, so not sneering)?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Seriously, as an interested, fascinated, and rather frightened outsider, when did “worship = watered-down secular music” become the equation? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span id="more-4067"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I informed Martha she had just come to the point of understanding the evangelical lamentation that goes on around here better than 90% of evangelicals. (I tried this out on my Facebook page and the response was quite different than the IM audience.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Evangelicals have an issue with sacraments. Mention the word to them and they start fidgeting in their seats and thumbing their Bibles.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;It’s an interesting historical story. A sacrament is something in the physical world that mediates or communicates the presence, power, promises and/or grace of God. Various Christian theologies approach the exact language and reality differently, but the essence of sacramentalism is that if X is present or Y is done, then God is somehow present and at work, no matter what else may be happening.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;When Luther called for reformation in Rome (and when Rome later excommunicated him for his criticisms), Luther deserted almost none of his core Catholic sacramentalism, even though he rejected strongly the abuses associated with many of the church’s seven sacraments. His views on Baptism and the Lord’s Supper were quite similar (not identical) to what Catholics believed. Luther reduced the sacraments to three. Anglicans and Presbyterians to two. All these reformation churches kept some version of pre-reformation sacramental thinking because it was Biblical. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;For example, the reading/preaching of the Word is described in clearly sacramental ways in reformation theology. The announcement of forgiveness (absolution) is a sacrament for Lutherans. The arrangement of the church facility itself reflected sacramental thinking and an order connected to the presence of God.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Because of this kind of sacramentalism, reformation churches tended to want to simplify worship and to hold on to the prominence of the sacraments in worship without the distractions they believed had accumulated in Roman Catholicism. Sacramentally related aspects of worship itself were also prominent. This led to a distinctive way of thinking about who was the church, what was happening in gathered worship, when and how was God at work in the world and so forth. The font, the table/altar, the scriptures and the pulpit were the anchors of worship in reformation Christianity.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The evangelical movement (yes Lutherans, I know, but it’s too late) had a different view of sacraments. One can see it in movements as disparate as the radical reformers, the Puritans and the Methodists. By the time the evangelical movement is fully birthed in the Wesleyan revival and eventually in the frontier and Pentecostal awakenings in America, the new focus has become the present action of the Holy Spirit, but not tied to the sacraments. It is the emphasis on the present work of the Holy Spirit in ways that are powerful and effective, but much less predictable and consistent. The Spirit now was coming in relation to other factors: what was preached, how men prayed, the genuineness of desire for revival, the seriousness of repentance, etc.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Evangelicals now tend to view the reformation churches as “assuming” all kinds of things that may not be true. Listen to a modern evangelical describe what’s wrong with mainline churches: they are “dead.” The people are unconverted. God isn’t present. It’s all empty ritual. They need revival and a true visitation of the Spirit. This is evangelicalism evaluating its parent and finding her seriously wanting. Like all adolescents, we can hope for improvement with maturity.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Now I am an evangelical, and I believe that the present power of the Spirit is crucial. I believe religion can be dead, and it concerns me whenever there is not evidence of Jesus shaped fruit coming from people who claim to belong to Christ by baptism, etc. I believe much of the glory of the new covenant is exactly at the point of the Spirit doing, through the Gospel of Jesus, a transformative work so that Gospel-love for God and mercy for people is evident in lively ways. It concerns me deeply that the reformation churches often seem conflicted over what it means to be a “Great Commission” people beyond baptizing their own children. These are genuine evangelical concerns that I affirm.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;But evangelicals are in sacramental chaos, and the results are quite obvious. Evangelicals are “re-sacramentalizing” in an uncritical and unbiblical way. The Planetshakers article was good evidence, but you can see and hear it everywhere.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;What are our evangelical sacraments? &lt;em&gt;Where will evangelicals defend the idea that “God is dependably at work?”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;-We have sacramentalized technology.&lt;br /&gt;-We have sacramentalized the pastor and other leaders.&lt;br /&gt;-We have sacramentalized music. (i.e. the songs themselves and the experience of singing.)&lt;br /&gt;-We have sacramentalized leaders of musical worship.&lt;br /&gt;-We have sacramentalized events. (God is here!)&lt;br /&gt;-We have sacramentalized the various forms of the altar call.&lt;br /&gt;-We have sacramentalized the creation of an emotional reaction.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We’ve done all of this, amazingly, while de-emphasizing and theologically gutting baptism. (I’m not buying everyone’s baptismal theology here. I’m simply saying the standard approach now is nothing more than could be accomplished by having someone jump through a hoop.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We’ve done this while reducing the Lord’s Supper to a relatively meaningless, optional recollection. (And being deeply suspicious of anyone making it more than a glorified sermon illustration.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We’ve done this while removing any aspects of sacramentalism from our worship and even our architecture. (Public reading of scripture, hymns, tables/altars, baptisteries, pulpits.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;And we’ve given over to whomever wants to speak up the power to say what God is saying, what God is doing, what God is using, what God thinks of whatever we’re doing, what the Spirit is up to and so on.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;For example, in the next three months, you can bet your remaining life savings that someone will tell us that God is NOW using church X or method Y or person Z because the official discernment squad said so. (And ditto for saying what God is not doing, who God is not using, etc. from the discernment squad on the other side of the street.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;What’s the answer?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We need to re-sacramentalize our worldview in its entirety. Go read some Anglicans or Catholics about that. We’re ridiculously secularist and modernist in so much of our thinking, and so selective and inconsistent in our idea of how God relates to physical things.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We need to reclaim sacramental thinking in the church and not be such knee jerk opponents of the idea that God dependably uses the physical, sensual rituals Jesus endorsed. We can still argue about the exact way these sacraments operate, but we need to approach preaching, the scriptures, baptism and the Lord’s Supper with a sense that God has committed himself to these things. Yes, faith is the response and No, I am not arguing in favor of everyone’s idea of efficacious sacraments. But many of us have evangelical roots that were far more friendly to the sacraments than we are. We should reclaim those roots and study them closely.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We should adopt a post-evangelical approach to seeing the resources of the broader, deeper, more ancient faith as connected to our own traditions. Again, read some Lutherans, Anglicans and Catholics. Understand that the history of Christianity didn’t start in 1969. See what’s been stored away in our past that we’ve overlooked. Especially read the older evangelical writings on the LS, Baptism and the actual theology and practice of gathered worship.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Find some way to slow down our commitment to pragmatism. Every discussion like this features several people who are leading worship in churches they believe have gone off the rails, and they don’t know how to stop the insane, rampant, “Big Picture/Big Noise” mentality. You just have to say, “we’re going to slow down and think. We’re going to have some theology of worship that evaluates rather than justifies what we’re doing.”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Go visit some reformation churches. Consider how the sacramentalism they’ve held on to could influence your own understanding of worship and the church and enhance your mission of creating/teaching disciples.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Don’t just imitate the latest thing, the latest technology or the latest worship guru. Boldly be a Biblically committed servant and leader. Simplify. Be God centered and God aware. Resacramentalize your own thinking and leadership.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Your mission, IM readers, is to “resacramentalize evangelicalism.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-1915766939986094903?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/dv7NNPB7dTc" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/dv7NNPB7dTc/your-mission-resacramentalize.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/your-mission-resacramentalize.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-4110594241628339425</guid><pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-07T16:44:55.527-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Theology</category><title>Theo-Drama = Reading Barth in the Bath</title><description>This video is fantastic.  Although it has something for everyone, the theology nerds that read this blog will love the Barth references as well as... well just watch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AtZqLRNY6yA&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AtZqLRNY6yA&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"&gt;*Facebook readers need to click on "View Original Post" to watch&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-4110594241628339425?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/ZS8qrM-VIxo" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/ZS8qrM-VIxo/theo-drama-reading-barth-in-bath.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/theo-drama-reading-barth-in-bath.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-7519855083531076405</guid><pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-06T23:26:46.713-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Theology</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Worship</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Ministry</category><title>Irresponsible?</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.itiswrittenoceania.tv/images/bibleInfo003.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 210px; height: 139px;" src="http://www.itiswrittenoceania.tv/images/bibleInfo003.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Across evangelicalism the rally cry is Biblical fidelity.  Remaining true to the message of the scriptures is clearly the most unifying aspect for evangelical churches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a laudable standard and I support it completely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what would it mean for an evangelical church to promote Biblical irresponsibility?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would it be inappropriate for the leadership in a church to use the Bible as a proof-text for their own ideas rather than to have their ideas shaped by the Bible?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Case in point:  Proverbs 29:18.  This is quite possibly the most abused verse in the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have seen it printed in books, presented in power-points, added to videos, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a very popular verse among evangelicals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It reads, "Where there is no vision, the people perish."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A powerful verse for promoting a building campaign, a church plant, a new ministry, or many other endeavors.  But is that really what the Bible says?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are six common translations for Proverbs 29:18&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;NIV - Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint; but blessed is he who keeps the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TNIV - Where there is no revelation, people cast off restraint; but blessed are those who heed wisdom's instruction.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;NRSV - Where there is no prophecy, the people cast off restraint, but happy are those who keep the law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;ESV - Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint, but blessed is he whokeeps the law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;NASB - Where there is no vision, the people are unrestrained, But happy is he who keeps the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;KJV - Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;Although evangelicalism in the US uses the NIV as the "go to" translation almost exclusively, for this verse most leaders utilize the KJV.  Why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although I would like to believe it is just a mistake, I think is more likely that this translation is specifically chosen because it fits the agenda of the leader.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet if one reads the verse in its entirety one can clearly see that even the KJV doesn't promote a vision for a building campaign, a new ministry model, or a strategic growth plan.  The verse is about God's revelation to humanity.  In particular, as is easily recognized in the NIV, it is describing how not listening to God's revelation causes chaos, while following God's law brings happiness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am concerned when leaders remove the last part of this verse when they use it in their churches.  Why would they do that?  I believe it is because the last part of the verse does not fit the agenda of the leader.  It pains me to say this but that is Biblical irresponsibility.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book of Proverbs is wisdom literature.  Proverbs 29:18 is a wise saying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we act without the message of the scriptures we produce chaos and even destruction.  Yet when we follow God's plan for humanity we can experience true joy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Proverbs 29:18 is a wonderful verse of wisdom for Christians.  Let us not abuse it by trying to bend it to our agendas.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-7519855083531076405?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/7xwHAObRmfE" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/7xwHAObRmfE/irresponsible.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/irresponsible.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-1852242671246383803</guid><pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:17:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-05T23:21:27.618-07:00</atom:updated><title>N.T. Wright on Blogging</title><description>&lt;object width="400" height="230"&gt;&lt;param name="allowfullscreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=5682808&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=1&amp;amp;color=ffffff&amp;amp;fullscreen=1"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=5682808&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=1&amp;amp;color=ffffff&amp;amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="230"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*I think Facebook readers have to go to my actual blog to see embedded videos.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-1852242671246383803?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/ffqqkDGqdyc" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/ffqqkDGqdyc/nt-wright-on-blogging.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/08/nt-wright-on-blogging.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-7670091909811565150</guid><pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-07-19T22:26:15.596-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Youth Ministry</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Ministry</category><title>Where my Youth Ministerz?</title><description>On a lighter note...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Looking back on my stint in youth ministry I can honestly say that this video gets it right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The awkward side hug is far and away the best part.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HPI2xYtso-s&amp;amp;rel=0&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HPI2xYtso-s&amp;amp;rel=0&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-7670091909811565150?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/yESdf47-e7w" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/yESdf47-e7w/where-my-youth-ministerz.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/07/where-my-youth-ministerz.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-3767054073596867310</guid><pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-07-16T10:40:39.557-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Theology</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Science</category><title>Passing on the Burden</title><description>&lt;div class="storycontent"&gt;                              &lt;span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Repost from &lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/scienceandthesacred/"&gt;Science and the Sacred&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"&gt;&lt;img alt="classroom.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/scienceandthesacred/classroom.jpg" class="mt-image-center" style="margin: 0pt auto 20px; text-align: center; display: block;" width="500" height="375" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;For many evangelicals, the conflict between science and religion seems unavoidable.  After all, with a literalist interpretation, certain aspects of the Bible seem to clash with the facts of modern science.  Indeed, while embracing the harmony between science and faith is necessary, it is not always easy.  It places a huge burden on churches to teach an understanding of the Bible that goes beneath this sort of surface reading.&lt;span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Should churches accept this burden?  In an &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2009/julaug/evolutionthebibleandthebookofnature.html"&gt;interview&lt;/a&gt; with Karl Giberson, published in the July/August issue of &lt;i&gt;Books &amp;amp; Culture, &lt;/i&gt;Francis Collins&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;explains that if churches do not embrace the challenge to educate future generations, those generations will face a far greater challenge instead:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;"...what we're doing now is passing on a burden to the youth. And it's a burden that many of them are going to be weighed down with to the point where they will not have their faith anymore. Right now, many churches are telling their young people, "You have to adhere to this absolutely literal description of what we say Genesis means," and they put a lot of energy into conveying that in Sunday school and in home schooling curricula. It's not as if the church has not already invested in providing a perspective on this issue--but unfortunately they've invested in a view that's counter to God's book of nature. This is both unnecessary and tragic."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Certainly, the task to promote the harmony of science and religion is no easy one.  However, as Collins notes, we can take heart in knowing that the current battle between them does not come from God, but is one that we have created.  It is also one that we can end.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-3767054073596867310?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/0QbQRzH4wmE" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/0QbQRzH4wmE/passing-on-burden.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/07/passing-on-burden.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-7775321084789993734</guid><pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-27T11:19:43.779-07:00</atom:updated><title>Delays and New Things</title><description>This is a procrastination post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I need to finish reading &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Long-Retreat-Search-Religious-Life/dp/0374166064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1246126711&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;A Long Retreat&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I need to finish preparing my sermon for tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I need to read more in &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Miracles-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060653019/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1246126735&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Miracles&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have removed the "Great Websites" section of my blog.  The Christian landscape in the US is changing and I need a period of discernment to figure out where I fit on that frontier.  It will be back up in the next few weeks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My series of Anabapstist, Anglican, Orthodox is being delayed in part because of this discernment period.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Alright... back to the books.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-7775321084789993734?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/EZM87lhhJfk" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/EZM87lhhJfk/delays-and-new-things.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/06/delays-and-new-things.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-1558096300019970821</guid><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-25T14:21:08.254-07:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Theology</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Greg Boyd</category><title>666</title><description>I was thrilled to find this video earlier today on a friends blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first part of Greg's answer in this video actually made me sceam, "YES" at my monitor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Greg says, "First thing, get your life from Jesus Christ.  All your worth, all your significance, all your life from Jesus Christ.  'Cause what I find in dealing with end times (its like talking about some other theological topics and politics) is that if a persons been taught one way of looking at things, that's all they've known, they equate that with orthodoxy.  So then if you question it, you know, it just causes carnative dissonance in them and if there's a source of their worth and significance that is rooted in their view of Revelation, they can get very angry."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know that reality all too well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There have been many evangelicals who have been openly angry with me when I tell them that I don't believe in the modern theological concept of "the rapture" and the rest of dispensational eschatology which have only been around for about 100 years and still exist primarily in the United States alone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Watch the video and let me know what you think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eS7FkOE8Hzw&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eS7FkOE8Hzw&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-1558096300019970821?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/cG6ofzcbaPs" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/cG6ofzcbaPs/666.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/06/666.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-5331764833206820684</guid><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-24T20:15:08.923-07:00</atom:updated><title>The Girl Effect</title><description>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Li9YRvRZD8&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Li9YRvRZD8&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-5331764833206820684?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/LloBEkTDLtY" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/LloBEkTDLtY/girl-effect.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/06/girl-effect.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-9099283580973029996</guid><pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-27T10:21:36.015-07:00</atom:updated><title>Scott the Anabaptist, Anglican, Orthodox</title><description>Out of all of the many different expressions of the Christian Church these are three that I feel most drawn to.  Over the next few days I am going to give you all the top ten reasons I am drawn to each of these churches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note:  I have never been a member of an Anabaptist (ie. Mennonite), Anglican, or Orthodox church.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-9099283580973029996?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/rJ6mlqLYTdk" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/rJ6mlqLYTdk/scot-anabaptist-anglican-orthodox.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/06/scot-anabaptist-anglican-orthodox.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-5628403860878500538</guid><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-23T17:05:04.581-07:00</atom:updated><title>Scott the Calvinist? Part II</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href=&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:pointer;height: 300px;" src="http://pistolpete.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/john-calvin.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe in God's Sovereignty more than most Calvinists&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Case in point: The salvation of the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe God is fully sovereign.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He desired to bring creation back into full relationship with him and he chose a specific plan through which to make that happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus were &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;inherently necessary in order to provide for the salvation of creation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God's decision to offer salvation to this world did not force him to send Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He chose this plan.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please don't get me wrong.  I believe that the birth, life, death, and resurrection Jesus of Nazareth truly did happen and are &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;fully necessary&lt;/span&gt; for our salvation.  However, this reality is necessary because God &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;chose&lt;/span&gt; to make it necessary and not because he had no other choice for bringing about such salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most Calvinists believe that &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_substitution"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;penal substitution theory&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is a necessary doctrine because God &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;could not&lt;/span&gt; save humanity without it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is a small and limited view of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe that the penal substitution theory has its place in our theology along with &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christus_Victor"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Christus Victor (classic) theory&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atonement_%28moral_influence_view%29"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;moral influence theory&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe these models of the atonement make sense of the salvation offered by God because this is how God &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;chose &lt;/span&gt;to do it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God is not in a box.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He is not limited.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He just follows through with his word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One more example:  Jesus did not &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;have &lt;/span&gt;to be born of a virgin in order to save creation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe that Jesus was born to the virgin Mary.  However, this was not because it was necessary or else creation would be doomed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God told his people that this is how he would do it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He just followed through with his plan.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-5628403860878500538?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/4REY_FNOiio" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/4REY_FNOiio/scott-calvinist-part-ii.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/06/scott-calvinist-part-ii.html</feedburner:origLink></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6237151137871401835.post-7739562858745266466</guid><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-22T13:15:54.438-07:00</atom:updated><title>Scott the Calvinist?</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 300px;" src="http://pistolpete.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/john-calvin.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not a Calvinist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I do like John Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He has some fantastic things to say about the sovereignty and power of God.  I believe that Christian theology is indebted to his work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I'm not a Calvinist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that Calvinists have taken Calvin's work and extended it well beyond his thesis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As such, I believe Calvinists have created a religious system which John Calvin himself would not be considered a part of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you don't believe me just read John Calvin's magnum opus of systematic theology, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Institutes of the Christian Religion.   &lt;/span&gt;He stays firmly outside of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_points_of_Calvinism#Five_points_of_Calvinism"&gt;TULIP &lt;/a&gt;flowerbed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tomorrow:  Why I believe in God's Sovereignty more than most Calvinists.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6237151137871401835-7739562858745266466?l=ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~4/0d7546YBF_4" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description><link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ecumenicalpilgrim/~3/0d7546YBF_4/scott-calvinist.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Scott)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://ecumenicalpilgrim.blogspot.com/2009/06/scott-calvinist.html</feedburner:origLink></item></channel></rss>

