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		<title>Aeromexico rescheduled my flight and expected me to sleep in an airport with a newborn. Can I get a refund?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2026 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[The Travel Troubleshooter]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AEROMEXICO]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CONSUMER RIGHTS]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[DOT REFUND RULES]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[FLIGHT REFUND]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Baby-Stay-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a distressed mother holding a swaddled newborn at an airport counter while an unmoved agent stands with arms crossed." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" fetchpriority="high" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Baby-Stay-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Baby-Stay-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Baby-Stay-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Baby-Stay-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Baby-Stay.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Allison Turpen booked a round-trip Aeromexico flight from Washington, D.C. to Oaxaca, and then the airline moved her connection to the next day. The new itinerary had her landing in Mexico City at 9:30 at night, with the onward flight not leaving until 6:15 the next morning, a layover of more than eight hours. She would be traveling with a newborn, and spending the night in an airport with a baby was not something she could do. So she asked to cancel and get her $1,360 back. She called nearly a dozen times. Aeromexico finally answered, and denied her, pointing to a line in its contract that says flights are subject to change. But Turpen was holding a ticket for a flight departing the United States, which raises a question a lot of travelers never think to ask: when an airline is the one that rewrites your trip, can it really hide behind "subject to change," or do federal rules say something different?]]></description>
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        <li>Allison Turpen booked a round-trip Aeromexico flight from Washington, D.C. to Oaxaca. The airline then moved her connection to the next day, leaving her arriving in Mexico City at 9:30 p.m. with the onward flight not departing until 6:15 a.m., an overnight layover of more than eight hours.</li>
        <li>Turpen would be traveling with a newborn and could not spend the night in the airport with a baby, so she asked to cancel and get her $1,360 back. After nearly a dozen calls, Aeromexico denied her, pointing to a contract clause saying flights are subject to change.</li>
        <li>Her case turns on a question a lot of travelers get wrong: when an airline itself rewrites your itinerary, does a &#8220;subject to change&#8221; clause really let it keep your money, or do federal rules say otherwise for a flight departing the United States?</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><em>Aeromexico expects a mother and her newborn to sleep in the airport after it changes her flight schedule. But when the airline refuses to refund her ticket, she turns to the Travel Troubleshooter for a solution.</em></p>



<h2 id="h-question" class="wp-block-heading">Question </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I booked a round-trip flight with Aeromexico from Washington, D.C. to Oaxaca, Mexico. Recently, the airline informed me it had changed my connecting flight to the next day.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The new itinerary left me with a layover of more than eight hours in Mexico City. My flight would arrive at 9:30 p.m., but the connecting flight wouldn&#8217;t leave until 6:15 a.m. the following morning.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I will be traveling with a newborn. This schedule will not work for me because I can&#8217;t stay overnight in the airport with a baby.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I requested a cancellation and refund for the flight, but the airline is refusing. I’ve called nearly a dozen times to speak to different people. They finally responded to the case, telling me that because their contract says flights are subject to change, my request was denied.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Can you help me get my $1,360 back? — <strong>Allison Turpen</strong>, <em>Linden, Va.&nbsp;</em></p>



<h2 id="h-answer" class="wp-block-heading">Answer </h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Aeromexico should have refunded your ticket the moment you pointed out the schedule change. In fact, it should have offered you a full refund automatically when it revised your schedule.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Airlines love to tell passengers that schedules are subject to change. It&#8217;s written into their contracts of carriage—the legal agreements between you and the airline—to protect them from liability when weather or mechanical issues cause delays.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But they shouldn&#8217;t be able to use those clauses to hold your money hostage when they completely rewrite your itinerary.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You were holding a ticket for a flight departing from the United States. That means you are protected by the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT). According to the government, you are entitled to a refund if the airline makes a &#8220;significant schedule change and/or significantly delays a flight and the consumer chooses not to travel.&#8221; The DOT <a href="https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/refunds">defines it</a> as 3 hours for domestic itineraries and 6 hours for international itineraries.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Aeromexico’s response to you was disappointing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Our transportation contract stipulates that all our flights are subject to changes or cancellations,&#8221; a representative wrote to you. &#8220;For this reason, although we would like to help you, the request is denied.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s nonsense. The airline’s internal policies do not supersede federal regulations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you run into a stone wall like this, you have a few options. You can file a complaint directly with the Department of Transportation. That usually gets an airline’s attention because it affects their performance statistics.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You could have also appealed to a manager. I publish the names, numbers, and email addresses of the <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/aeromexico/">Aeromexico executives</a> on my consumer advocacy site, Elliott.org.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You decided to ask me for help. My advocacy team contacted the airline on your behalf, pointing out that because your itinerary included a flight from the U.S., DOT regulations require the airline to provide a refund.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Aeromexico reviewed your case again and processed a full refund of $1,360.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;This is a huge relief!&#8221; you told me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I&#8217;ll bet. If this ever happens to you again, remind the agent of federal regulations. And if they don&#8217;t listen, you know where to find me.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">Schedule changes and refunds: what your rights actually are</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">A &#8220;subject to change&#8221; clause does not always mean what an airline says it does. Here is what travelers ask most. This is general information, not legal advice.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can an airline keep my money after it changes my schedule?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Not when the change is significant and your flight touches the United States. Airlines point to &#8220;subject to change&#8221; clauses in their contracts of carriage, which exist mainly to limit liability for weather or mechanical delays. Those clauses do not let an airline rewrite your itinerary and then deny a refund when you reasonably choose not to travel.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>When am I entitled to a refund for a schedule change?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Under U.S. Department of Transportation rules, you are entitled to a refund if the airline significantly changes or delays your flight and you choose not to travel. The department treats a change of three or more hours on a domestic itinerary, or six or more hours on an international one, as significant. An overnight layover imposed by the airline can clear that bar easily.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Does this apply to a foreign airline like Aeromexico?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>What matters is the itinerary, not just the airline&#8217;s home country. If your flight departs from or arrives in the United States, DOT refund protections generally apply, regardless of where the carrier is based. A U.S. departure is enough to bring those rules into play.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Does a nonrefundable ticket change this?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>No. The DOT refund right after a significant schedule change applies even to nonrefundable tickets, because the airline, not you, is the one that changed the deal. If you accept the new schedule or a rebooking, though, you generally give up the automatic refund, so decline the alternative if you want your money back.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What should I say when an agent denies me?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>State plainly that federal rules require a refund after a significant schedule change when you choose not to travel, and that internal policy does not supersede those rules. Keep it factual and specific about the size of the change. If the first agent will not budge, ask to escalate.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What if the airline still refuses?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>File a complaint with the U.S. Department of Transportation, which affects an airline&#8217;s performance record and often prompts a second look, and email a customer-service executive directly with your itinerary and the details of the change. A brief, polite, well-documented appeal frequently succeeds where a phone call did not.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I protect myself before I travel?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Save your original and revised itineraries so you can show exactly how big the change was, and act promptly when you get a schedule-change notice. If you decide the new schedule does not work, request the refund rather than accepting a rebooking. For more help, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/travel-troubleshooter/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s consumer resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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		<title>I paid $500 for an upgrade on Swiss, then the airline kept it</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[AIRLINE REFUND]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ANCILLARY FEES]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[BID UPGRADE]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/a-cartoon-illustration-of-an-airport-che_6WrqNLHzSCSkdQuf1BL9Bw_aTY1sNsERzO90ZzE6de4FQ-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a distressed blonde traveler holding a ticket at an airport counter, gesturing in protest at a giant Russian nesting doll standing in place of an agent." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/a-cartoon-illustration-of-an-airport-che_6WrqNLHzSCSkdQuf1BL9Bw_aTY1sNsERzO90ZzE6de4FQ-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/a-cartoon-illustration-of-an-airport-che_6WrqNLHzSCSkdQuf1BL9Bw_aTY1sNsERzO90ZzE6de4FQ-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/a-cartoon-illustration-of-an-airport-che_6WrqNLHzSCSkdQuf1BL9Bw_aTY1sNsERzO90ZzE6de4FQ-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/a-cartoon-illustration-of-an-airport-che_6WrqNLHzSCSkdQuf1BL9Bw_aTY1sNsERzO90ZzE6de4FQ-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/a-cartoon-illustration-of-an-airport-che_6WrqNLHzSCSkdQuf1BL9Bw_aTY1sNsERzO90ZzE6de4FQ.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Elizabeth Webley thought she had found a deal. She bid $500 for an upgrade on a Swiss International Air Lines flight from Zurich to San Francisco, and the airline accepted. Then her plans changed, she rebooked, and she assumed her upgrade would either move to the new flight or come back to her card. It did neither. Swiss told her the bid was gone and that she would have to pay for a new upgrade, calling the original nonrefundable because she had changed the booking voluntarily. There is a name for this: the ghost upgrade, a product you pay for that vanishes the moment you touch your reservation. But Webley had something most travelers do not. She had taken a screenshot of the terms she agreed to at the moment of purchase, and those terms said plainly that if she changed her flight she was entitled to a full refund of the bid amount, as long as her fare allowed rebooking. The airline's agents kept quoting a different rule, the one about voluntary cancellations, and pointing her to the FAQ. So the standoff came down to a single question with real money riding on it: when the contract you agreed to says one thing and the airline's FAQ says another, which one is supposed to win?]]></description>
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        <li>Elizabeth Webley bid $500 for an upgrade on a Swiss International Air Lines flight from Zurich to San Francisco, and the airline accepted. When her plans changed and she rebooked, she assumed the upgrade would move to the new flight or be refunded. It did neither, and she was told to pay for a new upgrade.</li>
        <li>Swiss called the bid nonrefundable on a voluntary change and pointed to its FAQ. But Webley had a screenshot of the terms she agreed to at purchase, which said that if she changed her flight she was entitled to a full refund of the bid amount, as long as her fare allowed rebooking.</li>
        <li>Her case opens a window onto what happens when an airline&#8217;s marketing promise and its customer-service script say two different things, and raises the question at the center of the dispute: when the terms you agreed to contradict the FAQ quoted back at you, which one is supposed to win?</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em><strong>NEW</strong>: Listen to <a href="https://www.elliottconfidential.com/podcast/s/elliott_confidential/swiss_airlines_doesn_t_know_its_own_rules">the companion podcast about this story</a> with exclusive details you won&#8217;t find in this article.</em></p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Elizabeth Webley thought she&#8217;d found a deal when she bid $500 for an upgrade on a recent Swiss International Air Lines flight from Zürich to San Francisco, and the carrier accepted.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But then Webley’s plans changed. She voluntarily rebooked her flight, assuming her upgrade credits would either transfer to the new itinerary or be refunded to her card.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They weren&#8217;t.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The upgrade was not carried over to my new flight,&#8221; says Webley. &#8220;I was forced to pay again for a new upgrade&#8221;.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Webley asked for a refund of her original $500. Swiss said <em>nein</em>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Her case offers a fascinating look into the murky world of airline terms and conditions, where policies often contradict themselves and &#8220;nonrefundable&#8221; doesn&#8217;t always mean what you think it does. It also introduces a phenomenon I call the ghost upgrade—a product you pay for, but which vanishes the moment you touch your airline reservation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Webley&#8217;s problem also raises several critical questions for anyone trying to fly in comfort without paying full fare:</p>



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<li><strong>How do airline bid upgrades actually work, and what are your rights?</strong></li>



<li><strong>Does a &#8220;voluntary&#8221; flight change always mean you forfeit your ancillary fees?</strong></li>



<li><strong>How can you win a dispute when the airline cites its own FAQ against you?</strong></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Will Webley lose her $500? Let&#8217;s find out. </p>



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    <p>She should be entitled to a refund, since those were the terms she saw, but not to a change in flight with same-priced upgrade. The fact that the flight she was on had room for someone to upgrade doesn&#8217;t mean the next one will.</p>
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<h2 id="h-running-into-a-wall-of-nos" class="wp-block-heading">Running into a Wall of Nos</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Webley contacted Swiss immediately. She pointed out that according to the terms she saw when she purchased the upgrade, she was entitled to a refund.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The airline’s customer service agents disagreed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Please note that a bid upgrade is nonrefundable,&#8221; an agent told her. &#8220;Additionally, the provided document does not specify the condition of the upgrade.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another representative doubled down on the denial.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We regret to inform you that we are unable to honor your request for a refund of the bid upgrade, as it is nonrefundable in the event of voluntary cancellation of your reservation,&#8221; she said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s a standard airline defense maneuver: The Wall of No.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Agents are trained to recite the strictest interpretation of the rules to make you go away. And usually, it works. Most passengers shrug, curse the airline gods, and eat the loss.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But Webley had something the agents didn&#8217;t know about: digital evidence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I have provided a screenshot of these terms,&#8221; she wrote to the airline, attaching the file. &#8220;My fare allowed rebooking—I am therefore entitled to a refund of my bid upgrade.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The terms were explicit. They said that if a passenger changes a flight, &#8220;you are entitled to a full refund of the Bid Upgrade amount&#8221; provided the original fare allows a rebooking.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yet, the agents kept pointing to a <em>different</em> rule—the one about &#8220;voluntary&#8221; cancellations.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Frustrated and $500 poorer, Webley contacted my <a href="https://elliottadvocacy.org/help">advocacy team</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Is she right? Or did she just make a $500 donation to the airline&#8217;s corporate treasury?</p>



<h2 id="h-how-do-airline-bid-upgrades-actually-work-and-what-are-your-rights" class="wp-block-heading">How do airline bid upgrades actually work, and what are your rights?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;ve ever received an email a few days before your flight asking if you want to &#8220;bid&#8221; for a better seat, then you&#8217;ve encountered the strange economy of the upgrade auction.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It feels like a game, but it <em>is</em> a binding contract. And like all contracts in the travel industry, the text is heavily weighted in favor of the airline.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you submit a bid, you&#8217;re essentially agreeing to a separate set of terms and conditions that sit on top of your original ticket rules. This creates a Russian nesting doll of rules. Your original economy ticket has one set of cancellation rules. Your upgrade has another.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here is the friction point: Generally, upgrade bids are nonrefundable and unchangeable. The logic is that the airline has given you a discount on a premium seat (compared to the full fare), and in exchange, you give up flexibility. If you cancel your trip, you lose the bid. That&#8217;s the industry standard.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, &#8220;standard&#8221; does not mean &#8220;universal.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Airlines often have specific clauses for rebooking. Some carriers allow you to transfer the upgrade to a new flight if the aircraft type and route are the same. Others, like the version of the terms Webley saw, offer a refund if the underlying fare allows for changes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The problem is that these terms are often buried in a pop-up window during the bidding process. Once you click &#8220;submit,&#8221; that window disappears. When a dispute arises weeks later, the airline agent is looking at a cheat sheet or a general FAQ, not the specific contract you agreed to at the moment of purchase.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This creates a ghost upgrade scenario. You believe you bought a product with a refund clause. The agent sees a product that is nonrefundable.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So who&#8217;s right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Legally, the specific terms presented to you at the time of purchase prevail over a general FAQ on a website. But proving what you saw is difficult. Airlines change their websites constantly. A rule that existed on Tuesday might be rewritten by Friday.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Unless you have a photographic memory—or an actual photograph—you are at the mercy of the airline&#8217;s record-keeping. And as we will see, Swiss&#8217;s record-keeping was not very Swiss.</p>



<h2 id="h-does-a-voluntary-flight-change-always-mean-you-forfeit-your-ancillary-fees" class="wp-block-heading">Does a &#8220;voluntary&#8221; flight change always mean you forfeit your ancillary fees?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the lexicon of airline customer service, &#8220;voluntary&#8221; is the most expensive word you&#8217;ll ever hear.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are two types of changes in the travel world: involuntary and voluntary. An involuntary change is when the airline cancels your flight, swaps the aircraft, or changes the schedule so significantly that you miss a connection. In these cases, you have rights. The Department of Transportation (in the U.S.) and EU 261 (in Europe) provide significant protections.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If the airline messes up, it generally has to refund your ticket and your fees, including seat assignments and upgrades.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A voluntary change is when <em>you</em> mess up, or simply change your mind. You get sick, your meeting changes locations, or you just decide to fly on a different day.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Historically, a voluntary change meant you forfeited everything. But the landscape is shifting. During the pandemic, airlines eliminated change fees for many main cabin tickets to coax people back onto planes.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That created a new expectation among travelers: flexibility.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, that flexibility rarely extends to ancillary fees—the extras like baggage, seat selection, and upgrades. You might be able to move your economy seat to a new flight for free, but the $500 you paid to sit in business class usually stays with the airline.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You hit the &#8220;change flight&#8221; button on the app, thinking everything will move over. The app might even say &#8220;No Change Fees!&#8221;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s what Webley thought, too. But the app didn&#8217;t warn her that her upgrade was about to be vaporized.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I voluntarily rebooked my flight, assuming my upgrade credits would either transfer or be refunded,&#8221; she says.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But here is where the story pivots. Webley wasn&#8217;t just assuming, The terms she agreed to explicitly stated: &#8220;If you wish to change your flight you are entitled to a full refund of the Bid Upgrade amount.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And she had a screenshot to prove it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Swiss had created a policy that broke the &#8220;voluntary means you lose&#8221; rule. It just forgot to tell its customer service agents about it. The agents were operating on the default setting—voluntary equals forfeiture—while Webley was operating on the specific contract governing her upgrade.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This highlights a massive breakdown in internal communication. When marketing teams write generous policies to sell upgrades, but support teams are trained on restrictive policies to deny refunds, the passenger gets crushed in the gears.</p>



<h2 id="h-how-can-you-win-a-dispute-when-the-airline-cites-its-own-faq-against-you" class="wp-block-heading">How can you win a dispute when the airline cites its own FAQ against you?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Webley contacted my team, she had hit a dead end. She had the truth on her side, but the airline had the money. Swiss agents were quoting their internal policy manual like scripture.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The provided document does not specify the condition of the upgrade,&#8221; one agent claimed, dismissing her evidence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That feels like corporate gaslighting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, how do you fight back when the company tells you that black is white? You have to be more organized than the airline is. Webley’s case is a textbook example of how to document a purchase.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>1. Screenshot everything.</strong> I can&#8217;t emphasize this enough. If you&#8217;re buying something online—especially a travel product with complex restrictions—take a screenshot of the final checkout screen and the terms and conditions. Don&#8217;t rely on a link. A timestamped screenshot is a smoking gun. You can do that by pushing Windows key + Shift + S on your PC or Command + Shift + 3 on a Mac.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>2. Isolate the contradiction.</strong> Webley didn&#8217;t just say &#8220;I want my money.&#8221; She said, &#8220;Your FAQ says X, but my contract says Y.&#8221; She forced the airline to look at the discrepancy.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>3. Use the Elliott Method.</strong> When the front door is slammed in your face, go through the window. Front-line agents often don&#8217;t have the authority to override a system that says &#8220;nonrefundable.&#8221; They are reading a script. You need to reach someone who can read the actual situation. <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/swiss-international-airlines/">Here are the Swiss executives.</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By the way, I publish the names and email addresses of the executives for nearly every major airline on my advocacy site,<a href="https://www.elliott.org"> Elliott.org</a>. A polite, concise email to a VP of Customer Service, attaching the proof that their own agents are ignoring, often yields a quick fix.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But in Webley’s case, even her persistence wasn&#8217;t enough. She needed a bigger megaphone.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-turbulence-clears" class="wp-block-heading">The turbulence clears</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My advocacy team contacted Swiss on Webley’s behalf. At first, the airline gave us the same stiff-arm it gave her.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;In case of a voluntary change of booking by the passenger, a standalone refund of a bid upgrade is not permitted,&#8221; a representative told our advocate, Dwayne Coward.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He directed us to the airline’s FAQ, which seemed to support the denial. It stated clearly: &#8220;Standalone Refund of Bid Upgrade is not permitted.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It looked like Webley was out of luck. The FAQ was public, it was clear, and it was draconian.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But we didn&#8217;t give up. We pressed the issue, furnishing the airline with the text from the screenshot Webley had taken—the terms she explicitly agreed to.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;If you wish to change your flight after your offer has been accepted you are entitled to a full refund of the Bid Upgrade amount,&#8221; the terms said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We asked Swiss a simple question: Which terms prevail? The ones on the website today, or the ones the customer signed when she bought the upgrade?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Swiss consulted with a &#8220;specialized department&#8221; within customer service.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That is when the turbulence cleared.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;It turns out that the customer would indeed have been eligible for a refund,&#8221; the Swiss representative responded.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The culprit? Bad writing. And a bad website.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;It appears that conflicting information in our FAQ led to this misunderstanding, and we will update the wording to prevent similar cases in the future,&#8221; the representative said.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It wasn&#8217;t that Webley was wrong; it was that Swiss didn&#8217;t know its own rules. The airline processed a full refund of the $500.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I really appreciate the effort you put into resolving this,&#8221; Webley told us. &#8220;It’s so reassuring to know that there is a person that will take the time to help consumers.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We are happy to help. But this victory shouldn&#8217;t have required a consumer advocate. It should have been resolved the moment Webley sent that screenshot.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The lesson here is simple: In the digital age, you are your own best record keeper. Don&#8217;t trust the airline to remember what it promised you. Capture the promise and save it. Then if the airline tries to renege, show it the receipts.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And if it still says <em>nein</em>? You know where to find us.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">Bid upgrades and refunds: what to know before you rebook</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">Paid upgrades come with their own fine print, and it does not always match the airline&#8217;s FAQ. Here is what travelers ask most. This is general information, not legal advice.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is a bid upgrade?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A bid upgrade is an auction. A few days before departure, the airline invites you to name a price for a better cabin, and if it accepts your offer, you pay for the upgrade on top of your original ticket. It can feel like a game, but it is a binding contract with its own separate terms layered over your ticket rules.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Are bid upgrades refundable?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Usually not, as a general rule. The trade-off is that you get a premium seat below full fare in exchange for giving up flexibility, so if you cancel, you typically lose the bid. But &#8220;standard&#8221; is not &#8220;universal.&#8221; Some airlines let you move the upgrade to a new flight on the same route and aircraft, and some offer a refund if your underlying fare allows changes. The specific terms you agreed to are what matter.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What happens to my upgrade if I change my flight?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It depends entirely on the terms attached to that upgrade. Even when an airline waives change fees on the ticket itself, that flexibility often does not extend to extras like baggage, seat selection, or upgrades. Do not assume a paid upgrade will automatically follow you to a new flight. Check the exact wording before you rebook.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is the difference between a &#8220;voluntary&#8221; and &#8220;involuntary&#8221; change?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>An involuntary change is the airline&#8217;s doing, a cancellation, an aircraft swap, or a schedule change big enough to break your trip, and it usually triggers refund rights, including for fees. A voluntary change is when you change your mind or your plans shift. Historically a voluntary change meant forfeiting extras, though some upgrade terms now provide a refund in that situation. The word &#8220;voluntary&#8221; often decides who keeps the money.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>The airline&#8217;s FAQ contradicts the terms I agreed to. Which one wins?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>As a general principle, the specific terms presented to you when you bought the product carry more weight than a general FAQ posted on the site later, which airlines can and do rewrite. The practical challenge is proof. If you did not capture what you saw at purchase, you are left relying on the airline&#8217;s records, so a saved, timestamped screenshot is your strongest evidence.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How do I prove what the terms said when I bought?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Screenshot the checkout screen and the terms at the moment of purchase. On a Mac, press Command, Shift, and 3; on Windows, press the Windows key, Shift, and S. A timestamped image of the exact terms you agreed to is far stronger than a link to a page the airline may edit later.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What can I do if front-line agents keep denying me?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Agents often read from a script and cannot override a nonrefundable flag. Isolate the contradiction in writing, then escalate politely to a customer-service executive with your proof attached. If you are still stuck, a consumer advocate may be able to help. For more, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/problem-solved/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s consumer help resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    You mostly agreed with Webley, but the interesting parts were the why: what she was actually owed, what she actually wanted, and why an airline picks a fight it should never have started.
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      The terms you agreed to should win
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      <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> put it plainly: the actual booking terms should prevail, especially with a screenshot to prove them, and a customer is not on the hook for the airline&#8217;s own incompetence. <strong>George Schulman</strong> reached for the legal principle behind that instinct, that when a company&#8217;s own documents contradict each other, the ambiguity is generally read against the party that wrote them. <strong>Tim</strong> worked carefully through the specific wording and landed in the same place: the terms entitled her to a refund, which is what should have happened. The throughline was less &#8220;the airline is evil&#8221; and more &#8220;the airline wrote the rules, so it has to live by the ones it showed her.&#8221;
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      What she actually wanted, and why &#8220;no&#8221; backfires
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      A few of you pushed back on the idea that she was demanding a guaranteed seat. <strong>Debra Beasley</strong> read it as simpler: she just wanted her money back so she could try to upgrade the new flight if space allowed, not a promise that it would. That led to the sharper question, why do airlines answer these disputes with a flat no? <strong>Debra Beasley</strong> argued that meeting a customer halfway would end most of these quietly, while stonewalling to keep every dollar only makes people dig in and fight harder. It is a small case, but the customer-service lesson in it is not small.
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      Even Swiss fans were surprised, so screenshot everything
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      Several of you noted this was not the Swiss you expected. <strong>DSW Ministries</strong> said they had always had great experiences with the airline and were genuinely shocked to see it play these games, and took away one resolution: start documenting, screenshots included. <strong>Tim</strong> shared a parallel win from outside travel, an email discount that lacked the usual minimum-purchase requirement, honored once he called and produced the email as proof. The moral the thread kept circling back to is the article&#8217;s own: capture the promise when you see it, because the version you can prove is the one that counts.
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		<title>Travel companies say their customers are no-shows—but are they?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[On Travel]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AIR PASSENGER RIGHTS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AIRLINE NO-SHOW]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Red-Button-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a dismayed man at a Paris cafe table, Eiffel Tower behind him, staring at a laptop screen that reads &quot;RESERVATION CANCELED.&quot;" style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Red-Button-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Red-Button-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Red-Button-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Red-Button-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Red-Button.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>On a recent flight from San Francisco to Paris, Dan Skilken was a no-show. It was not his fault. A weather delay scrambled his first leg, the airline rebooked him, and then someone pushed the wrong button, so the system decided he had missed his connection. He only found out when he tried to check his return reservation from France and discovered he had no tickets at all. Because that is how it works: miss one leg of a flight, and the airline quietly cancels the rest. Skilken knew the industry well enough to sort it out, but plenty of travelers do not, and lately there are more of them. Teresa McGee flew from Detroit to Charlotte on American Airlines without a hitch, then tried to fly home and was told she had no ticket. She had a boarding pass proving she had flown the outbound. The airline could not tell her why, only that it had labeled her a no-show and that a new ticket would cost her. Cases like these keep landing in my inbox, and they raise an uncomfortable question. When a company marks a paying customer a no-show and keeps the money, is that a clerical slip, or has the no-show become a quiet little revenue stream?]]></description>
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        <li>When you miss one leg of a flight, airlines automatically cancel the rest of your reservation. Usually that is the traveler&#8217;s doing. But lately more people are being tagged as no-shows for flights they did not actually miss, sometimes after a weather delay and a rebooking, sometimes with a boarding pass in hand proving they flew.</li>
        <li>A no-show can be expensive. Travelers caught in the mix-up may have to buy a new ticket or rebook a room, and credit card disputes do not always go their way. Industry insiders acknowledge the stakes: a seat, a cabin, or a tour slot is a perishable product a company cannot resell once the date passes.</li>
        <li>All of which raises the question: when a company wrongly labels a paying customer a no-show and keeps the money, is that just a clerical error, or has the no-show quietly become a revenue stream? This piece weighs the case for each.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">On a recent flight from San Francisco to Paris, Dan Skilken was a no-show.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It wasn&#8217;t his fault. The first leg of his flight to Denver was delayed by weather. His airline rebooked him on another flight to Paris, but someone pushed the wrong button, and the airline believed he had missed his connecting flight.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We figured it out when I went online to check our return reservation while in France and discovered we had no tickets,&#8221; he recalls.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Airlines automatically cancel your reservation when you miss a leg of your flight.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fortunately, Skilken is no newbie. He runs a <a href="http://tripinsurance.com">travel insurance website</a> and understands the ins and outs of the travel industry. He talked to an airline representative in Paris, who quickly restored his tickets. The European Union <a href="https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2026/07/13/council-gives-final-clearance-for-stronger-air-passenger-rights/">last week agreed</a> to bar airlines from canceling your return ticket or charging extra when you miss an outbound leg, though the change isn&#8217;t expected to take effect until next year.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It would be easy to dismiss his problem as a one-off, but I can&#8217;t. I&#8217;ve been seeing more &#8220;no-show&#8221; cases lately &#8212; and many cost travelers dearly because they have to pay for new tickets or hotel rooms. It&#8217;s made some skeptical travelers wonder if travel companies aren&#8217;t using &#8220;no shows&#8221; as a way to generate a little extra cash.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;No-shows are a bigger issue than people think,&#8221; says Brian Raffio, a senior travel coordinator for a <a href="https://www.climbing-kilimanjaro.com/">tour operator</a> that specializes in Africa. &#8220;Not only is it a logistical nightmare, but it holds significant revenue implications.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Raffio says travelers don&#8217;t understand that companies such as airlines, cruise lines and tour operators are not selling a physical product, but a specific date and time to use that product. They can&#8217;t resell it once the time passes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But are no-shows also an opportunity for the travel industry to make more money?</p>



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<h2 id="h-are-some-no-shows-nonsense" class="wp-block-heading">Are some no-shows nonsense?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Sometimes, travel companies get no-shows wrong, and it&#8217;s an error that I&#8217;ve seen a lot lately.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Consider what happened to Teresa McGee recently when she flew from Detroit to Charlotte on American Airlines. McGee, a caregiver from Matthews, N.C., flew her outbound trip without incident. But when she tried to fly home, an agent told her she didn&#8217;t have a ticket.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“They couldn’t give me a reason,” McGee recalls.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Eventually, she found out that American had incorrectly labeled her a &#8220;no-show&#8221; &#8212; even though she had a boarding pass that proved she&#8217;d flown the first leg of her flight.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I tried to explain this to American Airlines numerous times,&#8221; she says.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The airline told her she had to buy a new ticket for $572, which she did. But then it refused to refund her original ticket, and her credit card company sided with the airline when she tried to dispute the charges.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I asked American Airlines about the mix-up, and it offered her a full refund of the new ticket without explanation. But this kind of thing has repeated itself so many times that I&#8217;ve begun to wonder if no-shows haven&#8217;t become a new revenue stream for travel companies.</p>



<h2 id="h-it-s-not-about-maximizing-profits" class="wp-block-heading">&#8220;It&#8217;s not about maximizing profits&#8221;</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Are no-shows a way to earn more money? Travel companies vehemently deny it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;It&#8217;s not about maximizing profit,&#8221; says Alex Foti, president of <a href="https://www.brettonwoodsvacations.com/">Bretton Woods Vacations</a>, a vacation rental company in New Hampshire. &#8220;It&#8217;s about fairness.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He says no-shows are rare in his business, but when they happen, his company refunds any fees that are directly tied to services not rendered, such as the cleaning fee or optional charges like pet fees. But the rental amount itself is nonrefundable.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But it can get complicated. For example, some rental companies will offer a partial refund if they can re-rent the property. Others won&#8217;t, so if they rent the property twice, they keep all the money.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Airlines take a more sophisticated approach. They overbook flights, betting that some of the passengers won&#8217;t show up. When they don&#8217;t, the airlines keep their airfares.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But falsely claiming that their customers didn&#8217;t show up for an outbound leg is definitely a red line.&nbsp;</p>



<h2 id="h-how-do-you-avoid-losing-your-money-in-a-no-show-mixup" class="wp-block-heading">How do you avoid losing your money in a no-show mixup?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You don&#8217;t have to be the next no-show statistic. Here are a few pro tips for keeping your money.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Stay connected.</strong> Flight schedules can change quickly. &#8220;Avoiding no-shows today requires agility and preparedness,&#8221; says Louise Truman, founder of the sustainable travel company Plotpackers. She recommends downloading your airline&#8217;s app for seamless travel updates. &#8220;It’s a lifesaver when things change unexpectedly,&#8221; she says.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Keep your boarding pass.</strong> A boarding pass is a confirmation that you took a flight. And I have to be honest, these flight no-shows are troubling. At the very least, take a photo of your boarding pass to prove that you were on an outbound flight &#8212; you may need it later as proof you were on the flight.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Get insurance.</strong> Travel insurance can cover you in some circumstances. &#8220;If you miss your flight, cruise, or hotel stay because of a travel delay or missed connection, travel insurance can usually provide coverage,&#8221; says Terry Boynton, co-founder and president of <a href="https://www.insureyonder.com/">Yonder Travel Insurance</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Ask about extenuating circumstances.</strong> That&#8217;s the advice of Shehryar Khan, who owns a vacation rental in Seattle. He says that when someone has to cancel at the last minute because of bad weather or health issues, he can offer a refund. &#8220;We do this because the relationship with the guest is more important than the specific booking,&#8221; he says.</p>



<h2 id="h-are-no-shows-a-travel-industry-conspiracy" class="wp-block-heading">Are no-shows a travel industry conspiracy?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So are the travel industry&#8217;s evil bean counters trying to make money by incorrectly labeling you as a no-show? As I review the cases, I&#8217;m inclined to chalk them up to innocent errors made by travel companies.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In other words, there&#8217;s probably not a no-show conspiracy.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That being said, you should take every step you can to protect yourself from being a no-show. Keep your boarding passes, call ahead if you think you might be late checking in &#8212; and never, <em>ever</em>, assume everything will be fine. Otherwise, you could end up losing your room, your place on your tour &#8212; or having to buy a new airline ticket.</p>



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'0'		data-redirect-check = '0'        data-url-href = ''		data-href = ''		data-delay = '0'		data-id = '453'		data-res-rgba = '1'		data-percent-color = '#999A9C'        data-enable-top-animation = ''        data-top-animation-scroll = '100'        data-result-view = 'standart'        data-enable-social-links=''        data-avg=		><span class='ays_poll_passed_count'><i class='ays_poll_fas ays_poll_fa-users' aria-hidden='true'></i> 334</span><div class='ays_poll_cb_and_a'></div><div class='apm-title-box'><div>Should a travel company be required to refund you automatically when it wrongly marks you a no-show?</div></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a60919753d6f ays_question'></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a60919753d6f hideResults ays-poll-hide-result-box'></div><div class='apm-answers  '><input type='hidden' id='multivot_answer_count' value=''/>			                                        <div class='apm-choosing answer-ays-poll-id-6a60919753d6f '>			                                            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  <h2 id="faq-heading">Travel no-shows: what they are and how to protect yourself</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">A no-show can quietly cost you a ticket, a room, or a tour slot. Here is what travelers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is a no-show, and what happens when you are marked one?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A no-show is when a travel company records that you did not use a booking you did not cancel. With airlines, missing one leg of a trip typically triggers automatic cancellation of the remaining legs, including your return. That can leave you without a ticket, and reinstating it, or buying a new one, is often on you.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why do airlines cancel the rest of my trip if I miss one flight?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Airline reservations are built as a sequence. When you miss a segment, the system assumes you are off the itinerary and cancels what remains. It is designed to reflect a genuine no-show, but the same automation can misfire after a delay, a rebooking, or a simple keystroke error, cancelling flights for someone who never actually missed anything.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can I be wrongly labeled a no-show even if I flew?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Yes, and it happens more than you would expect. A weather delay followed by a rebooking can confuse the record, or an agent can push the wrong button. Travelers have been told they had no ticket for the return even while holding a boarding pass proving they flew the outbound. If this happens, your boarding pass is your best evidence.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Are travel companies using no-shows to make extra money?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Companies firmly deny it, framing no-show policies as fairness rather than profit, since a seat or room is a perishable product they cannot resell once the date passes. Consumer advocates note the pattern is worth watching, because a wrongly recorded no-show can leave the company holding money for a service the customer did in fact use or was wrongly denied. The commentary weighs both readings.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What happens to my money on a no-show rental or tour?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It varies. Some vacation-rental hosts refund fees tied to services not rendered, like cleaning or pet fees, but keep the rental amount. Some will offer a partial refund if they can re-rent the property; others will not, and could collect twice for the same dates. Tour operators face similar constraints, since the slot cannot be resold after the departure.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I keep from losing money in a no-show mix-up?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Stay on top of schedule changes through your airline&#8217;s app, and save, or photograph, every boarding pass as proof you flew. Consider travel insurance, which can cover some delay and missed-connection scenarios. And if you might be late checking in, call ahead rather than assuming it will sort itself out.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Are the rules changing on missed-leg cancellations?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>In Europe, yes. Lawmakers approved a broad overhaul of air passenger rights that includes letting you take the return leg of a round trip even if you did not fly the outbound, so a missed first flight would no longer wipe out the rest. The change is expected to take effect after a transition period rather than right away. For more travel coverage, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/on-travel/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy</a>.</p></div></details>
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    You turned this into a survival guide. How to prove you flew, how to protect the rest of your trip, and a real argument about whether any of this is a mistake or a business model.
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      The practical advice came fast. <strong>jim6555</strong> and <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> both hold onto boarding passes and bag tags until they are safely home, and <strong>Michelle S.</strong> suggested snapping a photo of your pass once you are on the plane. <strong>Jerry A</strong> went deeper on the digital risk: he screenshots every reservation, e-ticket, and boarding pass the moment he gets them, because an app can lose signal, or the &#8220;document&#8221; you saw a month ago can vanish an hour before departure. His paranoia has a limit, though, a dead phone battery, which is why <strong>Sheryl</strong> still prints everything belt-and-suspenders style and, after this article, feels vindicated rather than old.
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      <strong>Joe X</strong> offered the trick that got the most traction: book two one-way tickets instead of a round trip, so a mess on the outbound cannot cancel a return sitting on a separate itinerary. <strong>Debra Beasley</strong> agreed it is the flexible move experienced travelers make. But the pros pumped the brakes. <strong>IGoEverywhere</strong>, who has issued tickets for 50 years, warned that most airlines outside the Southwest-Frontier-Allegiant world still bake in a real round-trip discount, and <strong>jim6555</strong> and <strong>Dave</strong> both noted one-way international fares can cost far more than half the round trip. <strong>KanExplore</strong> added the trap: without free cancellation, two one-ways can just double your change fees. The consensus landed at &#8220;check every time,&#8221; not &#8220;always do it.&#8221;
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      Here you split on the article&#8217;s core question. <strong>Dave</strong> made the sharpest case that it is a money grab: if a no-show really cost the company a resold seat, they would refund you, and they do not, so the &#8220;perishable product&#8221; line does not hold. <strong>Michelle S.</strong> read it the other way, that wrongly tagging someone who actually flew is ineptness, not a scheme. <strong>George Schulman</strong> and <strong>Tim</strong> supplied the war stories that make it feel less deliberate: an unpushed check-in button, a whole cancelled flight where everyone got rebooked but the system marked them no-shows anyway and started killing their return legs. <strong>KanExplore</strong> drew the useful lesson, when you get rebooked, confirm every later flight is still intact, and <strong>George Schulman</strong> spoke for a lot of people with the simplest ask of all: he does not want a refund, he wants the airline to honor the reservation he already paid for.
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="226" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Crime-ship-300x226.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Black and white cartoon of a cruise ship docked beside a high prison wall topped with razor wire and a guard tower." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Crime-ship-300x226.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Crime-ship-1062x800.png 1062w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Crime-ship-150x113.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Crime-ship-768x578.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Crime-ship.png 1232w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>The FBI has a message for cruise passengers as vacation season begins: if you are assaulted, kidnapped, or sexually assaulted at sea, report it right away. It is good advice. Of course you should report a crime. But the announcement leaves out what happens after you speak up. The law meant to track crime at sea, passed in 2010, counts only a short list of the most serious categories. Its requirements generally reach incidents involving U.S. nationals, which leaves out most crew members and plenty of passengers. Thefts count only above a dollar threshold. And an assault is reportable only if it causes "serious bodily injury," a term the law never defines, which turns a beating into a judgment call. Here is the part that deserves a longer look: the FBI tells passengers to report incidents to the cruise line, and the cruise line is the one that reports them to the government. A company sells you a safe vacation, then helps decide whether what happened to you counts as a crime worth counting.]]></description>
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        <li>The FBI marked the start of summer with a public service announcement urging cruise passengers who are assaulted or otherwise victimized at sea to report the crime right away. Sound advice, as far as it goes.</li>
        <li>What the announcement leaves out is what happens next. The 2010 law meant to track crime at sea only counts a narrow slice of what occurs, generally reaches incidents involving U.S. nationals, sets a dollar floor on thefts, and leaves a key term like &#8220;serious bodily injury&#8221; undefined, a judgment call left to the company with the most at stake.</li>
        <li>The FBI tells passengers to report incidents to the cruise line, and the cruise line reports to the government. This commentary examines what that arrangement produces, why so few people report at all, and whether the resulting statistics tell travelers anything true about safety at sea.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">The FBI has a message for you: As summer vacation season kicks off, cruise passengers who are assaulted, kidnapped or sexually assaulted at sea should report the crime right away.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s the gist of a public service announcement the agency posted to its social media account recently. It&#8217;s good advice—of <em>course</em> you should <a href="https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/crimes-onboard-cruise-ships">report a crime</a>.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But the FBI left out one teensy detail. Once you say something, chances are nobody outside a windowless federal office will ever know it happened.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s what the government won&#8217;t put on a beach-chair graphic on social media: The law that&#8217;s supposed to track crime at sea is engineered to make cruising look safer than it is. It lets the accused company act as a gatekeeper for complaints, counts just a sliver of what happens, and whitewashes the details in a generic, anonymized report.</p>



<h2 id="h-how-the-cruise-industry-s-numbers-distort-the-truth-about-safety" class="wp-block-heading">How the cruise industry&#8217;s numbers distort the truth about safety</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Cruise Lines International Association, the cruise industry&#8217;s trade group, claims cruising is one of the safest vacations in the world. And the federal data seems to agree.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Department of Transportation posts a quarterly report under the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act, the 2010 law that governs this. It logged just one homicide, one suspicious death and zero kidnappings <a href="https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2026-01/CVSSA_2025_Q4--10.1.2025-12.31.2025%28Data_Reported_to_FBI_during_Q4%29.pdf">for all of 2025</a>. The <a href="https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2026-04/CVSSA%202026%20Q1%20--%201.1.2026%20-%203.31.2026%20%28Data%20Reported%20to%20FBI%20during%20Q1%29.pdf">first quarter of this year</a> is also squeaky clean.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Feel safer already? Maybe you shouldn&#8217;t.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The data exclude any crime in which the victim isn&#8217;t a U.S. citizen, which wipes out nearly every crew member and plenty of passengers. It reports only a short list of the most serious categories. For example, thefts must exceed $10,000 in value to be reportable.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are other loopholes. Cruise lines must report a physical assault only if it causes &#8220;serious bodily injury,&#8221; and the law never defines the term. So a beating becomes a judgment call, made by the company with the most to lose.</p>



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    <p>If a crime is committed on board, report it to the cruise line and whatever authority covers the crime if at sea. The cruise line has no incentive to report crimes and an incentive to underreport crimes. Self monitoring has never proved to be successful for the purpose it was enacted.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The FBI is urging passengers to report incidents directly to the cruise line while they&#8217;re at sea. But that&#8217;s problematic, because the cruise lines then report the crimes to the government.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let&#8217;s think about that arrangement for a moment. A company sells you a &#8220;safe&#8221; vacation. Then that same company decides whether the thing that happened to you counts as a crime worth reporting. It&#8217;s like letting a restaurant grade its own health inspection, and then acting surprised when it gets an A.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The numbers hint at how well that works out. For the last quarter of 2025, for example, Carnival reported only three crimes across its entire fleet of 29 ships. The company&#8217;s tally was its lowest since the pandemic shut the industry down. But attorneys who track these cases found at least five reportable crimes on Carnival ships in that same window, including assaults that sent passengers to the hospital.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Do you really believe there were only three serious crimes on a fleet of cruise ships in a three-month period? Neither do I.</p>



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<h2 id="h-the-real-reason-no-one-is-reporting-these-crimes-at-sea" class="wp-block-heading">The real reason no one is reporting these crimes at sea</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The problem isn&#8217;t entirely selective reporting or a complicit federal government. It&#8217;s the cruise experience itself.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Imagine you&#8217;re far from home, in an unfamiliar place, often after a few drinks the ship was delighted to sell you. You can&#8217;t call 911 after an incident. The security officer taking your statement works for the company you might one day sue. Witnesses scatter to different hometowns the moment the ship docks. And thanks to the fine print you accepted when you clicked &#8220;book,&#8221; most disputes get funneled into private arbitration, where the outcome stays sealed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So where&#8217;s the incentive to report a theft or sexual assault? If you say something, there&#8217;s a pretty good chance it never becomes public, never gets prosecuted and nothing changes.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The cruise industry created this system when it voluntarily agreed to a weak set of regulations under the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act in 2010. It is enjoying the dividends of your silence every time the system makes reporting feel pointless. There are fewer reports—or none at all—cleaner statistics, and happier cruise line shareholders.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s the real scandal behind the FBI&#8217;s cheerful summer reminder. They&#8217;re begging people to report crimes into a machine designed to process them into a meaningless spreadsheet.&nbsp;</p>



<h2 id="h-how-to-fix-it" class="wp-block-heading">How to fix it</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The <a href="https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/4857/text">Cruise Passenger Protection Act,</a> introduced last year in both the House and Senate, would hand oversight to an independent Department of Transportation office instead of the cruise lines, expanding the list of reportable crimes to match what a U.S. city tracks. It would also end the arbitration clauses that keep the records sealed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Congress should add one more requirement. If a cruise line wants to brag that it&#8217;s safer than your hometown, make it release every incident to U.S. law enforcement and to the public. The cruise industry should prove its claims.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The bad news is that the bill has been sitting in committee, dead in the water, just like the four or five versions that came before it over the past decade. Congress reintroduces it, the cruise industry lobbies against it, and it sinks.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So enjoy your next cruise. Just remember that if something happens to you at sea, you&#8217;ll report it to the same company that decides whether it happened at all.&nbsp;</p>



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'0'		data-redirect-check = '0'        data-url-href = ''		data-href = ''		data-delay = '0'		data-id = '451'		data-res-rgba = '1'		data-percent-color = '#999A9C'        data-enable-top-animation = ''        data-top-animation-scroll = '100'        data-result-view = 'standart'        data-enable-social-links=''        data-avg=		><span class='ays_poll_passed_count'><i class='ays_poll_fas ays_poll_fa-users' aria-hidden='true'></i> 135</span><div class='ays_poll_cb_and_a'></div><div class='apm-title-box'><div>Should crime reports at sea go to an independent government office instead of to the cruise line?</div></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a60919756ae2 ays_question'></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a60919756ae2 hideResults ays-poll-hide-result-box'></div><div class='apm-answers  '><input type='hidden' id='multivot_answer_count' value=''/>			                                        <div class='apm-choosing answer-ays-poll-id-6a60919756ae2 '>			                                            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  <h2 id="faq-heading">Crime at sea: what the law actually requires</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">Cruise crime reporting works differently than it does on land. Here is what travelers ask most. This is general information, not legal advice.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What crimes must a cruise line report?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Under the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act, the law passed in 2010, a vessel owner must contact the FBI after an incident involving homicide, suspicious death, a missing U.S. national, kidnapping, assault with serious bodily injury, certain federal sexual offenses, firing or tampering with the vessel, or theft of money or property worth more than $10,000. A written report also goes to a federal portal.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why do the official numbers look so low?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because the list above is narrow. The reporting requirements generally attach when the vessel is in U.S. waters or when the victim or assailant is a U.S. national, which leaves out many international passengers and much of the crew. Thefts under the dollar threshold are not reportable at all, and lesser assaults fall outside the categories entirely. The result is a count of a slice, not a picture of everything that happens.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What does &#8220;serious bodily injury&#8221; mean in practice?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>The statute uses the phrase without a clear onboard definition, which is the crux of the criticism in this commentary. Whether a given assault clears that bar becomes an interpretation, and the interpretation is made in the first instance by the cruise line, the party with an interest in the outcome.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Who do I report a crime to on a cruise ship?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>You can report to onboard security, and the cruise line has legal obligations to notify the FBI for the covered offenses. Importantly, you are not limited to the ship&#8217;s chain of command. Passengers can contact the FBI directly, including a field office or legal attache, and the law also requires cruise lines to provide victims of sexual assault with confidential access to law enforcement and support services.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why does the reporting arrangement draw criticism?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because the company selling the vacation is also the first filter on what counts as a reportable crime. Critics argue that a business with a commercial interest in low crime numbers should not be the one making that determination, and point to gaps between the incidents cruise lines report and those documented by attorneys who track these cases.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why do so few incidents become public?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Several reasons compound. Passengers are far from home and cannot simply call 911, witnesses disperse when the ship docks, and most cruise contracts route disputes into private arbitration, where outcomes are not public. The federal report that does get published is an anonymized numerical tally rather than a narrative record.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is anything being done to change it?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Legislation known as the Cruise Passenger Protection Act has been introduced in both chambers of Congress. It would move oversight to an independent office within the Department of Transportation, widen the list of reportable crimes, and invalidate the pre-dispute arbitration clauses that keep records sealed. Similar bills have been introduced repeatedly over the past decade without passing. For more consumer travel coverage, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/on-travel/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy</a>.</p></div></details>
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    You went straight past the outrage and into the hard part: even if everyone agrees the reporting is broken, who exactly is supposed to fix it when the ships answer to no single country?
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      The flag nobody sails under
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      <strong>jim6555</strong> laid out the structural catch: nearly every cruise ship serving U.S. ports is registered in a country like Panama, Liberia, Malta, or the Bahamas, flags of convenience that let operators sidestep tougher home-country rules, taxes, and labor laws, even though the big lines are headquartered in Miami. His worry is that foreign registry leaves real doubt about how much the U.S. can actually protect Americans at sea. <strong>George Schulman</strong> granted the point but added the exceptions that prove how tangled it is: Norwegian&#8217;s Pride of America and the American Cruise Lines fleet do fly the U.S. flag.
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      Would an independent office even work?
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      This was the real dissent, and it was thoughtful. <strong>George Schulman</strong> voted no in the poll, not because he likes the current system but because he could not see how one government office would cover the sprawl: U.S.-flagged ships, foreign-flagged ships with mostly American passengers sailing from Florida or Puerto Rico, and ships that never touch a U.S. port at all, Ecuador-flagged vessels in the Galapagos, operators working the Antarctic out of Argentina or Chile. His sharpest question: what can the FBI actually do about a crime on a ship circling Australia when the victim is Chinese and the attacker is from somewhere else again? He agrees the data would help travelers. He just wants to know who collects it and who enforces the rules.
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      Does the cruise line you pick matter?
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      <strong>Brent Feinberg</strong> wondered whether crime tracks with price point, guessing the higher-end lines might see less of it, and said he would love to compare statistics across cruise lines. <strong>Joe X</strong> delivered the cold reply that ties the whole thread together: you would be comparing the reported numbers, and the reported numbers and the real ones may have nothing to do with each other. Which loops right back to where the discussion started, that a count you cannot trust is not much of a count.
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		<title>America and Europe just went opposite ways on airline fees. Who&#8217;s right?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="226" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_editorial_cartoon_of_two_planes_flying_in_opposite_di_03cf1098-7ae1-4fae-b07f-1b7d39e5aea6_1-300x226.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Black and white cartoon of a puzzled traveler with a question mark overhead watching two airplanes fly away in opposite directions." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_editorial_cartoon_of_two_planes_flying_in_opposite_di_03cf1098-7ae1-4fae-b07f-1b7d39e5aea6_1-300x226.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_editorial_cartoon_of_two_planes_flying_in_opposite_di_03cf1098-7ae1-4fae-b07f-1b7d39e5aea6_1-1062x800.png 1062w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_editorial_cartoon_of_two_planes_flying_in_opposite_di_03cf1098-7ae1-4fae-b07f-1b7d39e5aea6_1-150x113.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_editorial_cartoon_of_two_planes_flying_in_opposite_di_03cf1098-7ae1-4fae-b07f-1b7d39e5aea6_1-768x578.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_editorial_cartoon_of_two_planes_flying_in_opposite_di_03cf1098-7ae1-4fae-b07f-1b7d39e5aea6_1.png 1232w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>How much of an airline ticket's price do you deserve to see when you shop for a flight? The United States and Europe just answered that question within days of each other, and came to opposite conclusions. In America, a rule that would have required airlines and booking sites to show you the cost of a checked bag or a ticket change the first time a fare appeared never survived. A federal appeals court blocked it before any airline had to comply, then threw it out entirely, faulting the government for skipping a step rather than finding fee transparency unlawful. Instead of redoing the rule, regulators made the defeat official and restored the older standard: airlines note that fees may apply and point you toward the fine print. Europe went the other way, approving its first overhaul of air passenger rights in more than two decades, with fares that must include the cost of a standard carry-on from the outset. Airlines argue that unbundling lets travelers who skip the extras pay less, and that every mandatory fee is disclosed before you buy. Consumer advocates counter that a fare hiding the bag charge is not really a price at all.]]></description>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">How much of an airline ticket&#8217;s price do you deserve to see when you shop for a flight? The United States and Europe answered that question recently, and they&#8217;ve come to opposite conclusions.</p>



<h2 id="h-in-the-united-states-partial-disclosure-for-now" class="wp-block-heading">In the United States, partial disclosure (for now)</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On July 2, the Department of Transportation (DOT) <a href="https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2026-13450.pdf">finalized a rule</a> that returns airline fee disclosure standards to where they stood in 2011.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Under that standard, airlines and ticket agents don&#8217;t have to show you the price of a checked bag or a ticket change when fares first appear in your search results. They only have to note that baggage fees <em>may</em> apply and point you toward the fine print. A ticket agent can send you to the airline&#8217;s website to find the numbers yourself.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It isn&#8217;t quite a rollback, as some consumer advocates have suggested. In 2024, the DOT <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/07/02/2026-13450/increasing-flexibility-on-disclosure-of-airline-ancillary-fees">issued a rule</a> requiring airlines and booking sites to display baggage and change fees the first time a fare appeared in your search.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But passengers never saw those protections. A federal appeals court stayed the rule in July 2024, before any airline had to comply. Then in February, the full Fifth Circuit vacated the rule, finding the DOT violated federal procedure by not letting the public comment on a study it used to justify the regulation. The court didn&#8217;t say fee transparency is illegal, just that the government had skipped a step.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The July 2 rule is the paperwork that makes the defeat official. Rather than redo the rule correctly, the current administration abandoned it. The upfront fee disclosures Americans were promised two years ago never arrived, and it won&#8217;t arrive under the current administration.</p>



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    <p>In the past, I&#8217;ve gone through many steps to purchase a ticket and finally found the &#8216;real&#8217; price on the very last step. Even then, after all that, you&#8217;re given a hint that you need to purchase your seat. I see processes becoming more murky and strange. This reminds me of my time living in Peru when I bought a rice cooker. The store clerk would take it apart and put it back together, then plug it in, all to show it worked. Once bought, you are not allowed to take it back. Are we going in this direction with airlines?</p>
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<h2 id="h-meanwhile-in-europe" class="wp-block-heading">Meanwhile, in Europe …</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Europe has taken a different path. On July 13, the European Parliament <a href="https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2026/07/13/council-gives-final-clearance-for-stronger-air-passenger-rights/">approved the first overhaul of EU air passenger rights in 22 years</a>.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The centerpiece for anyone comparing this to the American approach: airlines, ticket agents and comparison sites must display fares that <em>include</em> the cost of standard carry-on bags from the outset, so travelers can see the true cost of competing tickets. It&#8217;s the principle the DOT, and the current administration, just scrapped.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The EU reform goes further. Airlines are now required by law to respond to claims within 30 days. Carriers can no longer charge parents to sit next to their own children, cancel your return flight because you skipped the outbound leg, or bill you for correcting a typo in your name.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The rules take effect roughly a year from now, and they&#8217;ll cover flights departing EU airports, which means American travelers will enjoy them too. Americans flying home from Paris will have more pricing disclosure and passenger rights than they have flying from Denver to Dallas.</p>



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<h2 id="h-are-governments-overstepping-their-authority" class="wp-block-heading">Are governments overstepping their authority?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Airlines for America, joined by American, Delta, United, JetBlue and Alaska, brought a lawsuit that killed the proposed 2024 rule, arguing the government overstepped its authority and imposed heavy redesign costs on booking systems. Carriers note that you still see every mandatory fee before you complete a purchase, and they argue unbundled pricing lets travelers who skip the extras pay less.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some in the industry go further and frame mandated price displays as a violation of their right to free speech. Spirit Airlines made a version of that First Amendment argument against the government&#8217;s full-fare advertising rule in 2011. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit rejected it in 2012, ruling the requirement to show the total price prominently didn&#8217;t stop airlines from saying anything—only from burying the full fare.</p>



<h2 id="h-what-passengers-say-about-airfare-displays" class="wp-block-heading">What passengers say about airfare displays</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Passengers didn&#8217;t lobby for piecemeal fare displays that strip a ticket down to an amount almost no one pays. That was the airline&#8217;s idea, and it works because a fare that hides the bag fee, the seat charge and the taxes looks cheaper than an all-inclusive fare.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you ask travelers what they want, the answer is pretty consistent: They want to see the real price, all of it, the first time it appears. The more inclusive fare isn&#8217;t a burden on the customer. It&#8217;s what passengers wanted all along.</p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you answered Europe:</p>



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<li>Should U.S. regulators restart the fee disclosure rule and fix the procedural defect the court identified?</li>



<li>Would you book differently if every fare included a carry-on from the first screen?</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you answered United States:</p>



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<li>Does unbundled pricing actually save you money on the routes you fly?</li>



<li>Where should fees appear: first search result, checkout or somewhere in between?</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Failing to disclose the full cost of a ticket up front—and yes, that includes taxes—only serves the airline by making the ticket appear to be cheaper than it is. Some airlines unbundled their tickets <em>ad absurdum</em>, removing even the ability to bring a carry-on onboard. And that&#8217;s fine, but you shouldn&#8217;t need a calculator to find and compare airline ticket prices. The price games must end, and in Europe, they are about to.</p>



<h2 id="h-your-turn" class="wp-block-heading">Your turn</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s more coming from Washington. The DOT has proposed loosening its air fare price advertising rules even more and is weighing a repeal of the full fare advertising requirement entirely. I&#8217;ll have coverage of that rulemaking soon.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the meantime, tell me: Which direction is more consumer-friendly? Is this a free speech issue? Should an airline be allowed to reveal only a partial fare to you? Our comments are open.</p>



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    This is one you actually disagreed on, which is rare and refreshing. The split came down to a simple question: is an all-in price more honest, or does it just bury the number you personally care about?
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      Where did the real price go?
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      <strong>Robert Gole</strong> captured the feeling that drives this whole debate: clicking through step after step only to find the real price on the last screen, then getting nudged to pay extra just to sit down. He compared it to buying a rice cooker in Peru, where the clerk proved it worked before you paid because once you left, there were no returns. Are airlines heading somewhere similar, he asked, where what you see and what you pay keep drifting apart?
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      Which number is the honest one?
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      Here is where you split, genuinely. <strong>KanExplore</strong> made the case for the American approach: checking a bag is optional, so why force everyone to see a fare padded with a service many of us do not want, then click through to subtract it? Show the real airfare first, and let bag-checkers add on. <strong>lostinlodos</strong> agreed, and owned it, one of the early votes for the U.S. method, preferring to start from a base and build the package that fits. On the other side, <strong>Jerry A</strong> argued that almost nobody flies with no luggage at all, and no one flies without paying taxes and fees, so a fare that includes them is simply the more honest number. It is a real disagreement, and both sides have a point.
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      <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> zoomed out: business class today is what coach was 50 years ago, and if a fare bars even a carry-on, how do you protect jewelry, documents, or medication, especially with lithium batteries banned from checked bags? That sparked its own back-and-forth. <strong>lostinlodos</strong> questioned which carriers actually strip the carry-on from business fares, <strong>cinderella</strong> clarified the point was really about how much used to come included, and <strong>George Schulman</strong> noted the overhead bins of 50 years ago could never have held today&#8217;s roller bags. <strong>KanExplore</strong> got the last word with a shrug of perspective: 50 years ago you would have been choking on cabin cigarette smoke, so not everything about the old days was better. And <strong>Wuerzburg</strong> lodged a purely geographic objection, that &#8220;America&#8221; is two continents, not a synonym for the United States.
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/sus-NZ--300x200.jpg" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Harri Fletcher, the head chef at Everybody Eats in Wellington, New Zealand." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/sus-NZ--300x200.jpg 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/sus-NZ--1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/sus-NZ--150x100.jpg 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/sus-NZ--768x512.jpg 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/sus-NZ-.jpg 1536w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Inside a busy kitchen on Dixon Street, the head chef at Everybody Eats is turning what most restaurants throw away into three-course meals. It is one corner of a much larger experiment: Wellington, New Zealand's capital, is trying to become the world's first zero-waste capital, and it is doing it so quietly that most visitors never notice. To arrive here now is to step into a living laboratory for sustainable travel, a place where being green means cutting waste, saving energy, and lowering emissions, often entirely behind the scenes. A pay-as-you-can restaurant where a homeless guest might share a table with the prime minister. Hotels that have swapped single-use plastics for refills. A community hub built around repair and reuse, and a national museum that folds zero-waste principles into everything it does. The city is betting that a greener way to travel can feel less like a sacrifice and more like simply walking its compact, cafe-lined streets, and that visitors who show up are part of proving it can work.]]></description>
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        <li>Wellington, New Zealand&#8217;s capital, is trying to become the world&#8217;s first zero-waste capital, and it is doing it in a way most visitors never notice. From a kitchen that turns food bound for the landfill into three-course meals to hotels that have quietly swapped single-use plastics for refills, the city has become a living laboratory for sustainable travel.</li>
        <li>Behind it sits a deliberate framework, a city climate program, refill-and-deposit systems, a community reuse hub, and a national museum that folds zero-waste principles into daily operations. The pitch is that being green can also be good business, and that travelers are part of the equation.</li>
        <li>This piece explores how a visitor can actually experience Wellington&#8217;s circular economy, where to eat, where to stay, and what to look for, and asks whether a compact, cooperative city like this one could become a blueprint for others.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Inside a frenetic kitchen on Dixon Street, Harri Fletcher is turning trash into three-course meals. Fletcher, the head chef at Everybody Eats in Wellington, New Zealand, is part of a culinary experiment in extreme food waste reduction.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On a typical night, she serves up to 180 guests who dine on food that was destined for a landfill.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“We&#8217;re trying to prove that you can take what others consider waste and create something beautiful and nourishing,” Fletcher says. “It’s about changing how people see food—and each other.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">While the machinery of Wellington&#8217;s circular economy often hums quietly behind the scenes, Fletcher&#8217;s kitchen is where things get real. To visit New Zealand&#8217;s capital now is to enter a living laboratory for the future of sustainable travel. It&#8217;s a place where being green means reducing waste, saving energy and cutting emissions—often without anyone knowing.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fletcher makes ricotta from milk reaching its best-before date, then uses the leftover whey for lemon and white sorbet. She chars vegetable peelings for salads, turns them into stock, or fries them into crisps. Her banana sugar—made by dehydrating peels into a powder mixed with icing sugar—displays a high level of technical resourcefulness.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://everybodyeats.nz/">Everybody Eats</a> operates on a pay-as-you-can model. It&#8217;s a social dining concept that allows a homeless person to sit next to the prime minister, both sharing a gourmet meal. About half of the customers pay for their food, helping to sustain the operation alongside catering events like climate conferences. Supported by food rescue organizations like Kaibosh and Kiwi Community Assistance, the initiative has saved 418,000 pounds of food from going to waste, according to Fletcher.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Chris Sperring, WellingtonNZ’s destination development project manager, gives a presentation on sustainability in Wellington.</em></p>



<h2 id="h-the-circular-economics-of-the-capital" class="wp-block-heading">The circular economics of the capital</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wellington’s success results from a calculated economic framework. The city operates under an ambitious program called <a href="https://wellington.govt.nz/your-council/plans-policies-and-bylaws/policies/te-atakura">Te Atakura &#8211; First to Zero</a>, which sets targets for waste reduction. As regional landfill fees increase, local businesses find that saving waste is also a way to save money.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Often a zero-waste business model is more economical than the alternative,&#8221; says Lizzie Horvitz, a sustainability expert and the founder of <a href="https://www.choosefinch.com/">Finch</a>, a product review site that focuses on sustainability. Places like Wellington are shifting from single sale to a repeat refill mode, from hotels to restaurants. And visitors to New Zealand are noticing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s plenty to notice.&nbsp;</p>



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<li><strong>The Lo-Carb Programme.</strong> (That&#8217;s carb as in &#8220;carbon.&#8221;) It&#8217;s a collaborative initiative led by<a href="https://www.wellingtonnz.com/"> WellingtonNZ</a> and<a href="https://www.hospitality.org.nz/"> Hospitality NZ</a> that provides resources to help local restaurants like Graze Wine Bar, Karaka Café, and Food Envy reduce costs. In these restaurants, converting food scraps and coffee grounds into compost can reduce waste fees by 40 percent and add up to 5 percent to monthly profits.</li>



<li><strong>Refill-and-deposit infrastructure:</strong> The city has normalized a repeat refill mindset through systems like<a href="https://www.againagain.co/"> Again Again</a> and Cupcycling, which treat packaging as a reusable asset. This extends to the hospitality sector, where hotels in the Te Aro neighborhood have replaced single-use plastics with large refillable amenities.</li>



<li><strong>The Te Aro zero waste hub.</strong> This community center serves as a physical headquarters for the reuse economy, offering residents and businesses services for the repair and recycling of items ranging from electronics to textiles.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We are responding to a clear need from our tourism and hospitality businesses who want to actively reduce emissions through things such as waste reduction and to monitor their carbon footprint,&#8221; says Chris Sperring, WellingtonNZ’s destination development project manager.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He says Wellington has doubled down on helping businesses decarbonize and contribute to the city&#8217;s <a href="https://wellington.govt.nz/climate-change-sustainability-environment/climate-change/what-were-doing-about-climate-change">climate goal</a> to become net zero by 2050.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We can achieve this whilst also helping businesses to identify ways to cut business costs and ultimately save money,” he says.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At <a href="https://tepapa.govt.nz/">Te Papa</a>, New Zealand’s national museum, zero-waste principles are folded into daily operations and public education. The institution maintains a rigorous sustainability policy. Last year, the museum donated approximately 1,700 food items from its café and venue operations to local communities through a partnership with Kaibosh Food Rescue, effectively diverting potential waste from landfills.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For visitors, this institutional mission is most apparent in the Te Taiao<em> </em>nature exhibition, a space that highlights research into climate change and materials science. The exhibit acts as a bridge between high-level science and public action, showing how new materials can reshape our world.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Empowering New Zealanders to care for, protect, and restore Aotearoa’s environment and biodiversity is at the heart of what we do here, and exhibitions like this highlight ways to support a more sustainable future”, says Courtney Johnston, Te Papa&#8217;s chief executive.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The museum manages its physical impact with the same precision it applies to its collections. By integrating waste reduction into its functional framework, Te Papa has moved toward active resource recovery. These efforts suggest that even the largest cultural landmarks can function as lean, waste-conscious entities. The museum has become a quiet cornerstone for the city’s broader zero-waste identity.</p>



<h2 id="h-will-visitors-notice-any-of-this" class="wp-block-heading">Will visitors notice any of this?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For most travelers, the most successful zero-waste initiatives are the ones they never actually see. Wellington’s hospitality sector operates on the principle that sustainability should enhance a guest&#8217;s stay. At accommodations like those managed by the <a href="https://villagegroup.nz/">Village Accommodation Group</a>, for example, the green initiatives happen behind the scenes. Guests enjoy the high-end amenities they expect while the hotel manages complex logistics in the shadows.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s more an issue of what&#8217;s absent. Hotels in the Te Aro neighborhood have moved away from single-use plastics, replacing them with large refill bottles and glass water containers. Some properties provide inconspicuous compost bins in guest rooms. These changes allow travelers to reduce their carbon footprint within the hotel.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Wellington has done an impressive job of embedding zero-waste principles into its tourism infrastructure, making it much easier for visitors to travel responsibly,” says Lorena Basualdo, a luxury travel advisor.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Basualdo notes that because these circular practices are integrated into everyday life, the experience is seamless rather than burdensome.</p>



<h2 id="h-perfection-is-nearly-impossible" class="wp-block-heading">Perfection is &#8220;nearly impossible&#8221;</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A short walk from the central city, Max Gordy runs <a href="https://grazewinebar.co.nz/">Graze Wine Bar</a> with a perspective he describes as realist. While many luxury brands claim to be zero-waste, Gordy points out that perfection is &#8220;nearly impossible&#8221; in a commercial kitchen. Instead, he focuses on cutting waste by working with suppliers to reduce their packaging or transition to recyclable packaging.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Gordy, who moved to Wellington from Chicago at 14, finds the local hospitality scene cooperative. In Chicago’s Michelin-starred kitchens, he saw a constant, competitive hustle. In Wellington, chefs share information about local suppliers freely.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At Graze, the menu follows the seasons and Gordy’s direct relationships with suppliers. He avoids meat, opting for fish caught by spear fishermen who supply exactly what&#8217;s needed. This ensures they never take more than the demand requires. Gordy also notes that New Zealanders typically avoid the takeaway culture common in the United States. Customers generally order only what they can finish, which naturally reduces the need for disposable containers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Gordy views this collaborative, waste-conscious culture as a natural evolution for the city.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“In other places, it’s all about the individual ego and the secret supplier,” Gordy says. “But here, we realize that if we all share our knowledge and cut our waste, the whole city becomes a better destination. We’re not competing to be the greenest. We’re working together to make sure there’s still a beautiful place left to cook in.”</p>



<h2 id="h-a-blueprint-for-global-cities" class="wp-block-heading">A blueprint for global cities?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wellington is trying to prove that a city transitions to a circular economy when policy, business, and community interests align. Tourists play an important part. Experts say they can choose hotels that refill, use public transport, and patronize businesses that make their waste metrics public.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Responsible travel expert Alyse Race says a visit to Wellington is an endorsement in and of itself—and an example to other cities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Within minutes you can be everywhere you need to be, with cafés, shops and your hotel packed close together,&#8221; she says. &#8220;Walk the same streets, and you’ll see places where people can refill pantry staples and household products directly into their own jars. In a place where everything is experienced as everyday and functional, waste is cut as a matter of course.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wellington is well on its way to becoming an essential destination for any traveler who cares about the environment. While much of the zero-waste machinery hums quietly behind the scenes, you&#8217;ll feel its presence in the streets you walk and the meals you share. You might not always see zero-waste in action, but you&#8217;ll leave with a clear conscience, knowing your visit supported a city that has embraced a circular economy.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">Visiting Wellington&#8217;s zero-waste scene: what to know</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">New Zealand&#8217;s capital has woven sustainability into everyday travel. Here is what curious visitors ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What makes Wellington a zero-waste destination?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Wellington is pursuing a citywide circular economy, aiming to reduce waste, save energy, and cut emissions across its hospitality and cultural sectors. It runs a formal climate program with waste-reduction targets, and much of the effort is designed to work quietly in the background so visitors benefit without extra effort.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is Everybody Eats and can visitors go?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Everybody Eats is a pay-as-you-can restaurant in Wellington that turns rescued food, ingredients otherwise bound for the landfill, into three-course meals. It runs as a social dining concept where guests pay what they can, and it is open to visitors who want to experience food-rescue dining firsthand.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I travel more sustainably while I am there?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Experts suggest choosing hotels that use refill systems rather than single-use plastics, using public transport, walking the compact city center, and supporting businesses that make their waste metrics public. Because Wellington is walkable, cafes, shops, and hotels are packed close together, which makes low-impact travel easy.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What sustainable places can I actually visit?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Beyond Everybody Eats, the article highlights restaurants and wine bars taking part in local sustainability programs, a community reuse hub in the Te Aro neighborhood offering repair and recycling, and Te Papa, the national museum, which folds zero-waste practices into its operations and public exhibitions.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is a &#8220;zero-waste&#8221; trip going to feel restrictive?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>According to travel advisors quoted in the piece, not really. The idea is that sustainability should enhance a guest&#8217;s stay rather than burden it. Many green practices happen behind the scenes, so the experience feels seamless, and what you mostly notice is the absence of single-use plastics rather than any inconvenience.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is a fully zero-waste business realistic?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Not perfectly. One Wellington restaurateur in the article describes perfection as nearly impossible in a commercial kitchen, and focuses instead on practical steps like reducing supplier packaging and following the seasons. The takeaway is that meaningful progress, not perfection, is the realistic goal.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>When is the best time to plan a trip?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Wellington is a year-round destination, and its walkable core makes it easy to explore in any season. New Zealand&#8217;s seasons are opposite the Northern Hemisphere&#8217;s, so plan around the experiences you want and check current conditions before you go. For more travel features, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/on-travel/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s travel coverage</a>.</p></div></details>
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    Nobody argued with Wellington. What you argued about is whether the rest of us stand a chance of copying it.
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      <strong>KanExplore</strong> found it refreshing to read about a city and its people committed to something good, and slipped in the detail that makes travelers sit up: New Zealand is a top-tier destination that somehow has not been overrun. <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> gave the Kiwis their due and then turned the mirror around. She does not believe her own country would ever attempt anything like this, and thinks Americans should be watching food and water sustainability far more closely than they do. Between the two of them sits the question the story keeps circling. Is Wellington a blueprint anyone can follow, or does it only work because it is small, remote, and full of people who actually cooperate?
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Driving-Instead-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a weary couple driving a car down a straight desert highway lined with cactuses at sunset, as an airplane flies overhead." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Driving-Instead-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Driving-Instead-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Driving-Instead-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Driving-Instead-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Driving-Instead.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Michael Damarino and his wife thought they had done everything right. They booked refundable American Airlines tickets through Expedia from Boston to Tucson by way of Phoenix, paying extra for the flexibility. Then a 90-minute delay in Phoenix, blamed on a sick first officer and a baggage weight problem, made them miss their connection. With no later flights available, they did the resourceful thing: they rented a car and drove the final 100 miles so they would not lose their vacation. What they did not realize is that solving the airline's problem themselves had quietly turned them into a "no-show" for that last leg. In the airline's system, skipping a flight without canceling it first triggers a clause that can cancel the rest of your itinerary and wipe out the ticket's value, even when you paid for a refundable fare. American offered only a flight credit and called the ticket nonrefundable. Expedia pointed back to the airline, and the airline pointed to Expedia.]]></description>
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        <li>Michael Damarino and his wife booked refundable American Airlines tickets through Expedia from Boston to Tucson via Phoenix. A 90-minute delay in Phoenix, tied to a sick first officer and a baggage weight problem, made them miss their connection.</li>
        <li>With no later flights available, they rented a car and drove the final 100 miles to Tucson. That choice, made to save their vacation, quietly turned them into a &#8220;no-show&#8221; for the last leg in the airline&#8217;s system.</li>
        <li>American offered only a flight credit and insisted the ticket was nonrefundable, even though they had paid for a refundable fare. Expedia pointed to American, American pointed to Expedia, and Damarino was stuck in the middle, which raises the question of what a &#8220;refundable&#8221; ticket really guarantees when you solve the airline&#8217;s problem yourself.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><em>After an airline delay leaves him stranded in Phoenix, Michael Damarino rents a car to finish his trip. But American Airlines voids his refundable ticket because he&#8217;s technically a &#8220;no-show.&#8221; Can he get his money back?&nbsp;</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My wife and I were recently scheduled to fly from Boston to Tucson, Ariz., via Phoenix on American Airlines. We booked refundable tickets through Expedia.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The first flight was delayed 90 minutes because the first officer fell ill, and it also had a problem with weight calculations on checked baggage. Because of the delay, we missed our connecting flight to Tucson.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There were no later flights with space available, so we had to rent a car and drive the 100 miles to Tucson.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">American Airlines is offering me a flight credit. It has erroneously stated my ticket was nonrefundable. I have gotten nowhere, and I need help getting my refund. — <strong>Michael Damarino</strong>, <em>Brockton, Mass.</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I admire your initiative. When American Airlines handed you lemons in Phoenix, you made lemonade by renting a car and hitting the highway so you wouldn&#8217;t miss your vacation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the thing about airline logic: It rarely aligns with the logic of a rational human being.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You purchased a refundable ticket. In the real world, that means if you don&#8217;t use it, you get your money back. In the airline world, however, &#8220;refundable&#8221; often comes with strings attached.</p>



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    <p>When I miss a connection because of an airline delay, they automatically re-book me on next available flight. This re-booked flight is the one they would have missed. If American Airlines&#8217; computers failed to do the automatic re-booking, then he didn&#8217;t have anything to cancel. I don&#8217;t get it. At any rate, not his fault. I feel sorry for all of us airline passengers these days. Sigh.</p>
    <p>But also, book DIRECTLY with the airlines! No 3rd parties.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The most important string is the &#8220;no-show&#8221; clause. If you aren&#8217;t at the gate when the flight closes, and you haven&#8217;t canceled the reservation before your departure, the airline assumes you aren&#8217;t coming. It marks you as a no-show, cancels the rest of your itinerary, and you often forfeit the value of the ticket.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you decided to rent a car and drive to Tucson, you effectively became a no-show for that second leg. You solved your own problem, which is commendable, but you didn&#8217;t tell American Airlines you were doing it so that their computers wouldn&#8217;t categorize you as a no-show.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Since you booked through Expedia, there was an extra layer of complexity. The online travel agency saw that the airline had marked you as a no-show, which tied its hands regarding a refund.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Expedia told you to talk to American. American told you to talk to Expedia. It was the classic travel industry game of Pong, and you as the ball.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To be clear, you should have received a full refund for the unused portion of your ticket. The delay was caused by the airline&#8217;s operational issues—a sick pilot and baggage weight problems—not an act of God. Under the Department of Transportation&#8217;s rules, you&#8217;re entitled to a refund if the airline cancels your flight. When it comes to a delay, it must be &#8220;significant&#8221; (more than three hours for a domestic flight) to be considered for a refund. Your delay wouldn&#8217;t have qualified if you had a nonrefundable ticket, but your ticket was refundable, so you should have received it, as long as you notified American before the flight departed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, because you took matters into your own hands without formally canceling that second leg first, you gave the airline a technical loophole.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For future reference, if you decide to bail on a connection and drive, make sure you cancel the remaining flight segments immediately. Get an agent to document that the cancellation is due to a significant delay. That preserves the value of your refundable ticket.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you ever find yourself stuck in a customer service loop between an agency and an airline, you can often cut through the red tape by escalating your complaint to an executive. I publish the names, numbers and emails of the top executives at <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/american-airlines/">American Airlines</a> and <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/expedia-customer-service-contacts/">Expedia</a> in the company contacts section of my consumer advocacy website, Elliott.org.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I contacted Expedia on your behalf. The company reached out to American Airlines regarding your situation. The airline initially stuck to its no-show policy, adding two $50 trip credits to your existing credits for the inconvenience, but then did an about-face and refunded the entire ticket. You say it would have been impossible to notify American that you weren&#8217;t going to use the next leg of your flight because of the initial flight delay, and the airline eventually agreed.</p>



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<section class="elliott-faq" aria-labelledby="faq-heading">
  <h2 id="faq-heading">Delays, no-shows, and refunds: what to know before you drive</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">Solving an airline delay yourself can put your refund at risk. Here is what travelers ask most. This is general information, not legal advice.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Does &#8220;refundable&#8221; mean I always get my money back?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Not unconditionally. A refundable ticket generally means you get your money back if you do not use it, but airline rules add strings. The biggest is the no-show clause: if you are not at the gate when the flight closes and you did not cancel beforehand, the airline can treat you as a no-show and void the remaining value, even on a refundable fare.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is a &#8220;no-show&#8221; and why does it matter?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A no-show is when you do not appear for a flight and did not cancel the reservation before departure. The airline assumes you are not coming, cancels the rest of your itinerary, and you can forfeit the ticket&#8217;s value. If you abandon a connection to drive without canceling first, you can trigger this clause by accident.</p></div></details>

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    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Cancel the remaining flight segments before they depart, and ask an agent to document that the cancellation is due to a significant, airline-caused delay. That preserves the value of a refundable ticket and avoids a no-show. Making your own arrangements without canceling first can hand the airline a technical reason to deny the refund.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>When do federal rules require an airline refund?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Under U.S. Department of Transportation rules, you are entitled to a refund if the airline cancels your flight and you choose not to travel, or if it significantly delays or changes your flight and you decline the new itinerary. A significant delay is generally three or more hours for a domestic flight, or six or more for an international one. Shorter delays do not automatically trigger this refund right, so on a shorter delay your fare type matters most.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why did booking through a third party complicate the refund?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because it adds a layer. When the airline marks you a no-show, the online travel agency sees that status and often says its hands are tied, while the airline points back to the agency. This back-and-forth is common with third-party bookings, which is why it helps to resolve the underlying no-show issue directly and keep clear records.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I break a loop between the airline and the agency?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Escalate. If frontline agents at both companies keep redirecting you, a brief, polite email to a named executive can cut through the red tape. Bring your documentation: the itinerary, the delay notice, and a clear timeline showing the missed connection was caused by the airline.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is the single best way to protect myself?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Do not go silent. Before you make your own way to your destination, tell the airline and cancel the unused segments so you are never recorded as a no-show. Keep every confirmation. For more help with airline refund disputes, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/problem-solved/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s consumer help resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    You spent most of this thread trying to answer one question the story never quite settles: which flight, exactly, did they no-show?
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      Wait, which flight did they miss?
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      <strong>Kathleen Matlock</strong> said it first: something is missing here. Was he rebooked for the next morning and then failed to cancel that? Or did American just tag him a no-show in Phoenix and leave him to sort out his own way to Tucson? <strong>SusanV</strong> read it as the second. <strong>George Schulman</strong> worked through both branches and landed on the fork that matters: if they called him a no-show for the Tucson hop he could not physically make, telling American might have changed nothing. If it was the next morning&#8217;s rebooked flight, he owed them a call. <strong>DirkAsstronaut</strong> put the sharpest version of it, that the only way this is on the customer is if American rebooked him, told him so in writing, and he ignored it. And <strong>Frank Loncar</strong> pointed back to the story: the remaining flights were full, which is why standby was not on the table.
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      You have to tell them. Full stop.
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      <strong>MikeInPA</strong> asked the blunt version: how is an airline supposed to know you are cancelling if you never say so? <strong>Jason Hanna</strong> has lived this exact scenario, thunderstorms in Charlotte, ninety miles to drive, and he always cancelled the ticket first. To him it is a rookie mistake, forgivable but still a mistake. <strong>KanExplore</strong> agreed you do not just take matters into your own hands and assume it will be fine, and <strong>Tim</strong> wanted to know why nobody called from the plane, or stopped at a counter in Phoenix, before heading to the rental desk. But <strong>SusanV</strong> offered the defense from experience: on a delay like that you often do not know you have missed it until you are sprinting to a gate that is already closed.
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      Would booking direct have saved him?
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      <strong>Gerri Hether</strong>, <strong>Ron</strong>, and <strong>rcheetah Cheeta</strong> all reached for the usual verdict: stop using third-party sites. Then <strong>Jason Hanna</strong> stopped that cold. What would booking direct actually have solved here? The problem was not the booking channel, it was never telling the airline. <strong>Scott Kopper</strong> offered the one real answer: it would have cut out the finger-pointing. Meanwhile <strong>Laurie Simkovich</strong> showed what works when this happens to you. Her father got stranded, took an Uber the rest of the way, and she used the executive contacts on Chris&#8217;s list, receipts and mechanical-delay documentation in hand, to get United to reimburse the whole thing.
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		<title>My airline ticket disappeared. Why did I have to pay $8,206 to get home?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[The Travel Troubleshooter]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AER LINGUS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AIRLINE TICKET]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Aer-Lingus-Fail-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a shocked couple with rolling suitcases at an airport as a grinning airline agent throws up his arms amid floating dollar signs beneath an Aer Lingus sign." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Aer-Lingus-Fail-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Aer-Lingus-Fail-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Aer-Lingus-Fail-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Aer-Lingus-Fail-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Aer-Lingus-Fail.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Steve Miller thought he and his wife had valid tickets home. He had booked a Minneapolis-to-Dublin roundtrip through Orbitz, and when Aer Lingus canceled a segment, Orbitz rebooked them and confirmed the new itinerary. The My Trips page showed the change. The Aer Lingus app showed them booked. Everything said they were good to go. Then, at the gate in Dublin for the flight home, Aer Lingus refused to let them board, saying Orbitz had never properly confirmed the change. It turns out there is a critical difference most travelers never think about: a reservation holds a seat, but a ticket is the payment for it, and you can have a confirmation code with no valid ticket behind it. In the airline's computer, the couple existed as passengers who had not technically paid. Stranded overseas and needing to get home that day, Miller was told the only seats left were in business class, at a price that ran into the thousands.]]></description>
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        <li>Steve Miller booked a Minneapolis-to-Dublin roundtrip for himself and his wife through Orbitz for $1,626. After Aer Lingus canceled one segment, Orbitz rebooked them, confirmed the new itinerary in My Trips, and the Aer Lingus app showed them booked. They had every reason to believe they were set.</li>
        <li>They were not. British Airways struggled to check them in during their London stopover but got them to Dublin. On the return, Aer Lingus refused to let them board, saying Orbitz had never properly confirmed the change.</li>
        <li>Stranded and needing to get home that day, Miller was told only business-class seats remained, roughly $8,000 for two. He paid, then found Orbitz would not respond and Aer Lingus would not refund a booking made through a third party, which raises the question of what a traveler is owed when a confirmed reservation was never actually ticketed.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><em>Steve Miller thought he had a valid airline ticket to fly home. But when he tried to board his connecting flight in Dublin, the airline stopped him cold, and he had to pay $8,206 for new tickets to get home. Now he wants to know: Why won&#8217;t anyone reimburse him?</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I recently booked a roundtrip flight from Minneapolis to Dublin for my wife and myself through Orbitz. I paid $1,626 for the trip on American Airlines and Aer Lingus.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Months before the flight, I received an email from Orbitz that Aer Lingus had canceled the Philadelphia-Dublin segment of the flight. I contacted Orbitz and a representative told me I could take a flight from Minneapolis to Dublin via London on British Airways and then return on a direct flight from Dublin to Minneapolis on Aer Lingus. I agreed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The change was confirmed on the My Trips section on Orbitz. I downloaded the Aer Lingus app for my phone, which showed me booked on the new flights. I assumed all was fine.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It wasn’t. During our stopover in London, British Airways had some initial trouble checking me in for the next leg of the flight but put me on the plane to Dublin. An agent told me to check in with Aer Lingus when I reached Dublin.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But on my return flight, Aer Lingus refused to let me board the plane. A representative claimed that Orbitz had failed to confirm the itinerary change properly.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It was essential that my wife and I get back to Minneapolis that day. An airline agent told me no economy seats were available. The only seats available were in business class. The cost was approximately $8,000 for two tickets. Combined with the original payment for tickets which were not honored, the cost to us was close to $10,000.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Out of necessity, I agreed and we got to Minneapolis that day.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I emailed Orbitz and received no response. Aer Lingus opened a case file but responded that it would not refund my money because it does not process refunds for transactions made through third parties.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I would like a refund of the $8,000 that I paid Aer Lingus for business class tickets. This is a significant cost to me after I received assurances from Orbitz that my flight back home was confirmed. Can you help? — <strong>Steve Miller,</strong> <em>Shoreview, Minn</em>.</p>



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    <p>I understand what Chris is saying about ticket numbers versus reservation confirmation numbers, BUT that is a technicality that only travel experts might know. After all, the conversion of a reservation to a ticket is supposed to happen seamlessly, automatically behind the scenes and out of the travelers&#8217; sight. The airlines themselves have trained travelers to look for and use only reservation confirmation numbers because that shorter code is what the airlines request to check in to our flights. I do not know of any airline that has asked me for a ticket number over my entire 45 or so years of flying (not counting my flights as an infant). Airlines have always and only asked for my six &#8216;digit&#8217; alphanumeric reservation confirmation code when I called to make changes or check in for my flights. Why should these travelers have expected anything else? IMNSHO, this was entirely the fault of Orbitz/Expedia and perhaps Aer Lingus.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You should have had a valid ticket to fly from Dublin to Minneapolis. Orbitz confirmed your new itinerary, and the airline’s app showed you were booked. You had every reason to believe you were good to go.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So what happened?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It appears you fell into a black hole between your online travel agency and the airlines operating your flights. When Orbitz rebooked you, it seems they created a reservation code—also known as a Passenger Name Record (PNR)—but the ticket was never actually issued.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is a critical distinction that trips up many travelers. A reservation confirms that a seat is held for you. A ticket is the payment for that seat. You can have a reservation code without having a ticket number. In the airline&#8217;s computer, you existed as a passenger, but you hadn&#8217;t technically paid for the flight in their system.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you checked in at Heathrow, the British Airways agent likely saw the reservation but couldn&#8217;t generate a boarding pass for the second leg because the ticket number was missing or invalid. They sent you to Dublin hoping Aer Lingus could sort it out.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They couldn&#8217;t—or wouldn&#8217;t.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You did the right thing by trying to resolve this on the spot. But when you&#8217;re stranded in a foreign airport with no other way home, you sometimes have to pay the ransom. In this case, that was the price of two business class tickets.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Orbitz should have fixed this immediately. You emailed your online travel agency, but it didn&#8217;t respond. Aer Lingus also washed its hands of the problem, telling you that because the booking originated with a third party, it couldn&#8217;t issue a refund.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is why I always advise travelers to check for a ticket number, not just a confirmation code. That number usually starts with a three-digit code representing the airline (053 for Aer Lingus) followed by 10 digits. If you don&#8217;t see that number, you don&#8217;t have a ticket.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think a brief, polite email to one of the executives at Orbitz (Expedia) might have helped. I publish the names, numbers and email addresses of <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/expedia-customer-service-contacts/">Expedia&#8217;s customer service managers</a> on my consumer advocacy site, Elliott.org.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I contacted Expedia, which owns Orbitz, on your behalf. A representative reviewed your case and admitted the mistake.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“After reviewing the situation, it appears the tickets were not issued correctly, which resulted in the airline not having his reservation,” the representative told me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Expedia refunded you $8,206, covering the cost of the emergency business class tickets.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">Reservation versus ticket: what to know before you fly</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">A confirmation code is not always a valid ticket. Here is what travelers ask most after a booking goes wrong.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is the difference between a reservation and a ticket?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A reservation, tied to a confirmation code or Passenger Name Record, means a seat is being held for you. A ticket is the actual payment for that seat, recorded with a ticket number in the airline&#8217;s system. You can have a reservation without a valid ticket, and if the ticket was never issued, you are not truly booked to fly.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How do I know if I actually have a ticket?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Look for a ticket number, not just a confirmation code. A valid ticket number is usually a three-digit airline code followed by ten digits. If your itinerary shows only a booking reference and no ticket number, contact the airline or agency and confirm the ticket has been issued before you travel.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why would an app show me as booked if I have no ticket?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because apps and trip pages often display the reservation, which can exist even when the ticket was never issued. That is what makes this trap so easy to fall into: everything looks confirmed, but the underlying payment record is missing or invalid, and the problem only surfaces at check-in.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What should I do if an airline won&#8217;t let me board a confirmed flight?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Try to resolve it on the spot with the airline and your travel agency. If you are stranded overseas with no other way home, you may have to buy a new ticket to get back, then pursue reimbursement afterward. Keep every receipt and confirmation, because that documentation is central to recovering the cost.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Who is responsible when an online travel agency rebooks me but never issues the ticket?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Responsibility generally sits with whoever made the error. When an agency confirms a rebooking but fails to issue the ticket, that failure is the agency&#8217;s, even though the airline is the one that turns you away at the gate. Airlines often decline to refund bookings made through third parties, which is why pursuing the agency is usually the right path.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I protect myself when a flight is changed or canceled?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>After any rebooking, confirm directly with the operating airline that a valid ticket has been issued, not just that a reservation exists. Save all written confirmations, and if customer support goes quiet, escalate politely to an executive. Verifying the ticket number is the single most reliable safeguard.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is it safer to book directly with the airline?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Booking direct removes one layer where a ticket can fall through the cracks, since the airline both books and issues the ticket. Online travel agencies can offer convenience and price, but any rebooking adds handoffs between systems, so it is worth confirming the ticket was actually issued. For more help with travel disputes, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/travel-troubleshooter/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s travel resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    This one lit a fire. You mostly agreed on who dropped the ball, then spent the rest of the thread arguing about what any of us could realistically do about it.
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      Orbitz blew it. But is Aer Lingus really innocent?
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      <strong>sister7</strong> and <strong>KanExplore</strong> called it a basic screw-up: Orbitz rebooked the passengers and never paid for the ticket, which was the one job it was hired to do. <strong>Jason Hanna</strong> argued that lets the airline off the hook entirely, since Aer Lingus was never paid and owed nothing. <strong>George Schulman</strong> was not having it. If the airline&#8217;s own app showed the booking, it should not have displayed a reservation it had no intention of honoring, and he drew a sharp line between &#8220;could not&#8221; refund and &#8220;would not.&#8221; His point: once Aer Lingus agreed to sell through Orbitz and show those bookings in its app, it bought into the mess. <strong>MikeInPA</strong> asked the obvious follow-up nobody had a good answer for. Why can&#8217;t a system check, 24 hours later, whether the ticket actually got issued?
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      &#8220;Book direct.&#8221; Yes, but.
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      <strong>Joe X</strong> said it for the millionth time, his words: book direct, whatever you save is not worth the mess. <strong>rcheetah Cheeta</strong> and <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> piled on, with Gerri adding that she always checks the airline&#8217;s own site to confirm a booking is ticketed. <strong>RightThisWay</strong> laid out a whole protocol, never use a third party, avoid multi-airline routings, allow hours between connections, save your ticket numbers. Then <strong>KanExplore</strong> called that too dogmatic, pointing out that complicated itineraries are their own animal and no rule fits every trip. <strong>Joe</strong> and <strong>MikeInPA</strong> made the practical case for agencies: they can stitch together segments you cannot book yourself, and going direct often costs more. <strong>George Schulman</strong> added the wrinkle that booking each leg yourself can leave you with separate record numbers, which is its own trap.
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      Here you got tougher. <strong>Tim</strong> and <strong>Jason Hanna</strong> both zeroed in on the same missed moment: the British Airways agent told them to sort it out with Aer Lingus when they landed in Dublin, and that never happened. Do it then, and the problem surfaces days before it becomes an $8,000 emergency. <strong>Larry Pratt</strong> and <strong>Tim</strong> also flagged the risk of building a trip where you absolutely must be home on a specific day, though <strong>Joe X</strong> noted that is not always avoidable. And <strong>RightThisWay</strong> asked the question that stuck: why buy the walk-up business class seats at all? Walk to another airline&#8217;s counter, find a coach seat, take the delay, and call whoever needs calling.
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		<title>The $1,863 mistake: Why a missing last name cost one passenger his ticket</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[Advocacy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AIRLINE BOOKING]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CONSUMER RIGHTS]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[LNU FNU]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="226" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_A_minimalist_digital_illustration_of_a_middle-aged_ma_73ea7d38-8e31-4fbf-9da6-6b9acab739f7_2-300x226.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Muted digital illustration of a distressed man in a suit sitting with his head in his hands at an airport, blurred travelers passing behind him." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_A_minimalist_digital_illustration_of_a_middle-aged_ma_73ea7d38-8e31-4fbf-9da6-6b9acab739f7_2-300x226.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_A_minimalist_digital_illustration_of_a_middle-aged_ma_73ea7d38-8e31-4fbf-9da6-6b9acab739f7_2-1062x800.png 1062w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_A_minimalist_digital_illustration_of_a_middle-aged_ma_73ea7d38-8e31-4fbf-9da6-6b9acab739f7_2-150x113.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_A_minimalist_digital_illustration_of_a_middle-aged_ma_73ea7d38-8e31-4fbf-9da6-6b9acab739f7_2-768x578.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_A_minimalist_digital_illustration_of_a_middle-aged_ma_73ea7d38-8e31-4fbf-9da6-6b9acab739f7_2.png 1232w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Saurabh Kumar had a passport, a plane ticket, and a plan to visit family in Delhi. He was good to go, or so he thought. The trouble was hiding in plain sight on his passport: his full name sits in the given-name field, and the surname line is blank. That is ordinary in parts of the world, but a headache for Western airline systems that insist on a last name. When Expedia's booking form demanded one, Kumar did what most people would do, he split his name into a first and a last and clicked buy. He had done it before and flown without a hitch. This time, at the Toronto airport, the Porter Airlines computer stopped him cold. The name on his ticket did not match the name on his passport, and to a security system built to screen millions against international watchlists, close enough is not enough. Porter said only the ticketing airline, Qatar Airways, could authorize a fix. Qatar was not at the counter. And the clock was running out.]]></description>
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        <li>Saurabh Kumar&#8217;s passport lists his full name in the given-name field and leaves the surname blank, common in parts of the world, but a problem for airline systems that demand a last name. Booking on Expedia, he split it into a first and last name to get past the form.</li>
        <li>He had done the same thing before and flown without trouble. This time, at Toronto Pearson, Porter Airlines would not issue a boarding pass over the mismatch between his ticket and his passport, and told him only Qatar Airways, the ticketing carrier, could authorize a correction.</li>
        <li>With his flight closing and the airlines pointing at each other, he bought a costly last-minute replacement ticket to reach his family. His case sits at the intersection of rigid security rules, aging airline technology, and a booking form that forced him to enter data his passport does not contain, raising the question of who is responsible when the interface itself sets the trap.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Saurabh Kumar had a passport, a plane ticket, and a plan to visit Delhi. He was good to go—or so he thought.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Kumar had booked his flight months in advance through Expedia, securing a complex itinerary that would take him from Toronto to Montreal, then on to Doha, and finally to India.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But Kumar had a problem he didn’t quite understand until he was standing at the check-in counter at Toronto Pearson Airport: Technically, he has one name.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">His passport lists his given name as &#8220;Saurabh Kumar.&#8221; It leaves the last name field blank. This is not uncommon in some parts of the world, but it is a digital headache for the rigid, binary brains of Western airline reservation systems.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When he tried to book the flight on Expedia, the website demanded a last name. It wouldn&#8217;t let him proceed without one.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So Kumar improvised. He did what any reasonable person trying to navigate a stubborn web form would do: He split his name in two.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I entered &#8216;Saurabh&#8217; as my first name and &#8216;Kumar&#8217; as my last name while booking, since Expedia’s system requires a last name,&#8221; he explains.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It seemed like a harmless administrative workaround, a logical fix to a digital problem. He had even done it before with American Airlines and flown without a hitch. He clicked &#8220;buy&#8221; and received his confirmation.</p>



<h2 id="h-not-so-fast" class="wp-block-heading">Not so fast</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He didn&#8217;t know it yet, but that simple improvisation had just doomed his trip. When he arrived at the airport ready to board his Porter Airlines flight to Montreal for the first leg of his journey, the computer stopped him.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This case raises a few difficult questions about the intersection of rigid security protocols, archaic airline technology, and common sense in modern travel. We&#8217;ll answer these questions:</p>



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<li>Why are airline reservation systems so unforgiving when it comes to name formats, even when the person standing at the counter is clearly the person on the passport?</li>
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<li>What is the correct way to book a ticket if you have a mononym or a passport with no surname, and why is &#8220;guessing&#8221; the most dangerous thing you can do?</li>
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<li>Who is responsible when an online travel agency’s interface forces a user to enter data that technically renders their ticket invalid?</li>
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<h2 id="h-a-check-in-nightmare" class="wp-block-heading">A check-in nightmare</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Kumar arrived at the airport with his bags packed, expecting a routine check-in. He had paid $1,497 for his roundtrip ticket. The itinerary was a bit of a patchwork quilt, involving Porter Airlines for the domestic leg and Qatar Airways for the long haul.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But the trouble had started even before he got to the airport. When he attempted to check in online, the system blocked him. Porter gave him an error message that online check-in was only available for U.S. and Canadian passport holders. It was a red flag, but one that could usually be resolved by a human agent at the desk verifying his visa and documents.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When he handed his passport to the Porter Airlines staff, the mood shifted from routine to rigid. The agent looked at the passport. He looked at the ticket.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The ticket read: Kumar, Saurabh.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The passport read:&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Given Name: Saurabh Kumar</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Surname: Blank</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To a human being using common sense, this is obviously the same person. To a security protocol designed to screen millions of passengers against international watchlists, it was a mismatch.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Porter’s staff refused to issue a boarding pass. They told him the &#8220;correction could be made only with Qatar Airways’ approval,&#8221; according to Kumar.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ah, the Catch-22 of modern aviation. When you book a ticket that spans multiple airlines—known in the industry as an &#8220;interline&#8221; booking—the first carrier (Porter) is often hamstrung by the rules of the ticketing carrier (Qatar). Porter&#8217;s agents couldn&#8217;t just change the name in the system because the ticket wasn&#8217;t theirs to change.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I was refused check-in due to a minor name mismatch caused by the booking system requiring a last name,&#8221; Kumar says. &#8220;My passport does not have one.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He was stuck. He frantically tried to contact Expedia and Qatar Airways from the airport terminal, but the clock was ticking. The flight was closing.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He was denied boarding.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To get to India, he had to make a desperate choice. He pulled out his credit card and bought a replacement ticket on the spot. An agent filled in the correct fields. The price for the last-minute, one-way fare was $1,863— significantly more than the cost of his original roundtrip.</p>



<h2 id="h-is-there-a-close-enough-rule-when-you-re-flying" class="wp-block-heading">Is there a &#8216;close enough&#8217; rule when you&#8217;re flying?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the cold, hard truth about air travel: &#8220;Close enough&#8221; counts in bocce, but not in aviation security.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In a post-9/11 world, passenger data is shared with immigration and border agencies worldwide. This is the Secure Flight program in the U.S., and similar APIS (Advance Passenger Information System) protocols exist globally. The name on your ticket must match the name on your government-issued ID character for character.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This creates a massive headache for the millions of people globally who do not follow the Western &#8220;First Name, Last Name&#8221; naming convention. Passports from India, Indonesia, and many other nations often list a single name or place the entire name in the &#8220;Given Name&#8221; field.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But airline websites are built on databases that demand two fields. They are binary systems in a nonbinary world.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you don&#8217;t have a last name, there are specific, rigid protocols for how to book a ticket.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No guessing, no improvising.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So what is it? The standard convention for most airlines is to use &#8220;LNU&#8221; (Last Name Unknown) in the surname field. Alternatively, some airlines require you to repeat your first name in the last name field (e.g., Saurabh Kumar Saurabh Kumar) or use &#8220;FNU&#8221; (First Name Unknown) if the name is in the surname field.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;If a traveler is unsure of how to enter their name or finds a mistake after booking, they should contact our customer support team immediately,&#8221; an Expedia spokesperson later explained regarding the incident.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But Kumar didn&#8217;t know the secret code. He just wanted to fill in the boxes on the screen so he could visit his family in India.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-investigation" class="wp-block-heading">The investigation</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Kumar contacted my advocacy team months after the incident, still stinging from the financial hit. He felt that he had been led into a trap. He argued that Porter Airlines bore the responsibility for denying him boarding over what was, effectively, a technicality.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The refusal was due to an administrative mismatch and interline approval process—not my fault,&#8221; he insisted. He pointed out that his passport and identity were valid and he was ready to travel.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He felt the system had failed him, and he wanted a refund.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I entered &#8216;Saurabh&#8217; as my first name and &#8216;Kumar&#8217; as my last name while booking, since Expedia’s system requires a last name,&#8221; he reiterated to my team. &#8220;I followed the same process last time when I booked through Expedia with American Airlines, and everything went smoothly without any issues.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s the most dangerous part of this story: It worked once. Because American Airlines had apparently let it slide (or their system auto-corrected it), Kumar assumed he had found the correct way to navigate the Expedia form. He hadn&#8217;t. He had just gotten lucky. And when he tried to fly to Delhi, his luck ran out.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I contacted Expedia to see if they could secure a goodwill exception. It was a long shot. The ticket was nonrefundable, the flight had long since departed, and the error—technically—was the passenger&#8217;s.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Expedia’s response was sympathetic but firm on the rules.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;When booking flights on Expedia, travelers are reminded that their name must match their government ID,&#8221; a representative told us.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Still, Expedia agreed to reach out to Qatar Airways, the airline that actually owned the reservation, to see if it would retroactively fix the mess or offer a refund.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-complexity-of-interline-tickets" class="wp-block-heading">The complexity of interline tickets</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This case highlights a specific peril of booking flights that involve multiple carriers. Kumar’s itinerary was a nightmare for resolving disputes. He bought the ticket on Expedia. It was ticketed by Qatar Airways, but the first flight was operated by Porter Airlines.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you have a problem with a ticket like this, the finger-pointing begins immediately. Porter says, &#8220;Not our ticket, talk to Qatar.&#8221; Qatar says, &#8220;You’re at the Porter counter, talk to them.&#8221; Expedia says, &#8220;We just sell the tickets, talk to the airline.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The reality is that name corrections on interline tickets are notoriously difficult. If it were just a Qatar Airways flight, the airline might have been able to fix the ticket and let him fly. But because the reservation data had to pass from Qatar’s system to Porter’s system, the names had to match exactly to validate the flight coupons.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When they didn&#8217;t match, the electronic handshake between the airlines failed. Porter couldn&#8217;t change his ticket to let him board. And because the flight was imminent, there was no time to reissue the ticket.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-verdict" class="wp-block-heading">The verdict</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is where the story takes an unfortunate turn. You might expect the airline to look at the passport, see that it was clearly the same person—Saurabh Kumar standing in front of them—and issue a refund for the unused ticket.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But you&#8217;d be wrong.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Expedia came back to us with the final word from the airline.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Unfortunately, Qatar Airways’ policy does not allow name corrections for itineraries with flights operated by multiple airlines,&#8221; the Expedia spokesperson told me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Because the itinerary involved Porter Airlines, a simple name fix wasn&#8217;t possible. The policy is rigid. If you fly on a plane operated by a partner, the name on the PNR (Passenger Name Record) must be perfect.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Since Saurabh’s itinerary included Qatar Airways and Porter Airlines flights, a name correction was not possible,&#8221; Expedia explained.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And what about a refund now?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We reached out to Qatar Airways on Saurabh’s behalf to see if a refund or compensation could be offered,&#8221; Expedia said. &#8220;However, they are not able to, and we adhere to all our partners’ policies.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There is a small silver lining, though it’s faint. Expedia agreed to process an $840 refund for taxes and fees.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As for the rest of his money, it&#8217;s gone.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The takeaway is brutal but simple: If your name doesn&#8217;t fit the little boxes on the screen, don&#8217;t guess, and don&#8217;t improvise. Call a professional. If you force a square peg into a round hole on an airline website, you might end up paying for the privilege of staying home.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you have a mononym or a complicated passport name, use a travel advisor who knows how to enter the specific codes (LNU/FNU) required by the airlines. Or contact the airline and have an agent book the flight. A computer booking engine doesn&#8217;t have the capacity for nuance, and an airport check-in counter is the wrong place to try and debug a reservation error.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">Booking a flight with a mononym or no surname: what to know</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">Travelers whose passports list a single name face a hidden trap in airline booking systems. Here is what to know before you book.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why do airline systems reject a name that clearly matches the passport?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because the match is done by computer, not by a person. Passenger data is checked against international watchlists through programs like Secure Flight and Advance Passenger Information System protocols, and those systems expect the ticket name to match the ID character for character. A human agent may see the same person, but the automated handshake between systems does not allow for judgment.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is the correct way to book if I have no surname?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Do not guess. Airlines use set conventions for missing names, such as &#8220;LNU&#8221; for last name unknown, &#8220;FNU&#8221; for first name unknown, or repeating your name across both fields. The right one depends on the airline, so the safest path is to have an airline agent or a knowledgeable travel advisor enter it for you.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why is improvising a name split so risky?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because it can technically invalidate your ticket while appearing to work. Splitting a single name into a first and last name may pass the booking form and even clear one flight, but the next airline&#8217;s system may reject the mismatch and deny boarding. Getting away with it once does not mean it is correct.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What makes multi-airline (interline) tickets especially tricky?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>When one booking spans several carriers, the ticketing airline owns the reservation and the operating airline often cannot change it. The name has to pass cleanly from one airline&#8217;s system to another, so a mismatch can freeze everyone: the operating carrier cannot fix a ticket that is not theirs, and time runs out before the ticketing carrier can reissue it.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Who is responsible if the booking form forced the bad entry?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>This is the hard question at the center of such cases. The traveler entered the data, but only because the form demanded a surname the passport does not contain. Booking platforms generally remind travelers that the name must match their ID and advise contacting support with any uncertainty, which places much of the practical burden on the traveler to get it right before flying.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can a name error be fixed at the airport?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Usually not in time. A check-in counter is the wrong place to debug a reservation, especially on an interline ticket, because the agent in front of you may not have the authority to change it and the flight is often minutes from closing. Corrections should be handled well before the day of travel.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I protect myself before I travel?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>If your name does not fit the standard fields, book through the airline directly or use a travel advisor who knows the correct codes. Verify the reservation name against your passport as soon as you book, and resolve any discrepancy with customer support long before your departure. For more help with travel disputes, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/travel-troubleshooter/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s travel resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    You had a lot to say about this one, and most of it circled back to a single question: at what point could this have been stopped?
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      This is the whole point of travel agents
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      <strong>IGoEverywhere</strong>, who does this for a living, put it bluntly: being your own travel agent does not get you out of the ticketing rules, and any working agent would have known how to enter that name. <strong>George Schulman</strong> took it further. Book directly with an airline and you can still get burned, since an agent might quietly sell you two separate tickets on different record numbers. A pro knows not to do that. Though as <strong>Frank Loncar</strong> noted, the two airlines here were not partners, so buying that exact trip direct may not have been an option at all.
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      <strong>Tim</strong> spread the blame around: the people who write the passport standards, the airlines that never built to them, and the agencies that did not either. He also caught something nobody else did, that the article itself has to call him &#8220;Kumar&#8221; to write about him at all. <strong>Matthew W</strong> wondered aloud why online travel agencies keep producing cases like this when you can just book direct. And <strong>RightThisWay</strong> asked the question a few readers were dreading the answer to: was that the outbound leg? Because if so, the return was gone too.
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        <li>Steve Sphar reserved a compact car from Europcar in Granada, Spain. The company had run out of vehicles, so it handed him an SUV and said he could swap it for his reserved model the next day.</li>
        <li>When he made that swap, Europcar hit him with a $423 &#8220;customer choice&#8221; fee, a charge that looks like a clever twist on the classic rental-counter upsell. He contacted the company to reverse it, and it refused.</li>
        <li>Experts say this kind of last-minute pressure is legal but shady, and increasingly common as fleet shortages bite. The industry standard when a company oversells is to upgrade you for free, which raises the question of what a renter can actually do when a company invents a fee instead.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Have you ever heard of the car rental upsell scam? Neither had Steve Sphar when he rented a compact car in Granada, Spain, recently.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">His car rental company, Europcar, ran out of vehicles, so it offered him an SUV, which he could later exchange for the model he&#8217;d reserved. But when he swapped it out the next day, Europcar charged him a $423 &#8220;customer choice&#8221; fee.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I have contacted Europcar, and it won&#8217;t reverse the charge,&#8221; says Sphar, a business consultant from Sacramento, Calif.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Can a car rental company charge you a &#8220;choice&#8221; fee? Yes, and experts say it&#8217;s becoming more of a problem. Car rental companies sometimes run out of vehicles, and when they do, they have a choice. They can either upgrade their customers into a larger car at no extra charge. Or they can give them a choice of waiting for another customer to return their vehicle or paying more for an upgrade.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The &#8220;customer choice&#8221; fee Sphar experienced appears to be a clever variation of an established upsell ploy.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I asked Europcar about Sphar&#8217;s rental. It reviewed his bill and reversed the $423 charge.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Please rest assured, this is not the typical level of service we expect to provide,&#8221; a Europcar representative said. It also promised to share Sphar&#8217;s experience with its management team &#8220;with the aim to prevent situations such as this from happening again in the future.&#8221;</p>



<h2 id="h-is-the-car-rental-upsell-scam-becoming-more-common" class="wp-block-heading">Is the car rental upsell scam becoming more common?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The upsell scam has been around ever since people have rented cars. But lately, it&#8217;s become more of a problem.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;This practice appears to be increasing, likely due to higher demand, fleet shortages, and inflation-driven cost pressures,&#8221; says Shawn Miller, Founder of <a href="https://www.modifiedrides.net/">Modified Rides</a>, an automotive news site. &#8220;Companies may intentionally limit availability in lower classes to push customers toward more expensive options.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Running out of cars and then charging extra for a bigger one is legal. But it&#8217;s not ethical.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;A last-minute upsell is shady, even if it is legal,&#8221; says Alex Villalobos, director of operations at Vamos Rent-A-Car, a Costa Rican car rental operator. &#8220;It&#8217;s not the type of practice that should be expected from a professional business.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He says the temptation is too great during high season. That&#8217;s when demand is high and some of their most popular vehicles &#8212; usually compact cars &#8212; sell out. Legit rental agencies will carefully manage their inventory so that they don&#8217;t run out of cars. But on busy holidays like New Year&#8217;s Eve or the first day of spring break, there&#8217;s no way around it. The car rental lot will be empty by early afternoon.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The industry standard practice is to upgrade the customer at no charge. And the major car rental agencies normally do that. For example, when Enterprise Rent-A-Car runs out of vehicles in your class, its policy is to accommodate you with a car of a similar or higher class.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But some car rental companies see an opportunity when they&#8217;re oversold. They never force you to pay more for a car. Instead, they offer two bad choices: Either wait for a car in your class to be returned (which could be hours) or pay extra for a bigger vehicle. Most travelers are unwilling to delay the start of their vacation, so they fork over the ransom.</p>



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    <p>Twice now, once in California and once in Spain, I have reserved a car with Enterprise and been offered a for-a-fee upgrade at the rental counter. In both instances the upgrade vehicle was described by make and model. Both times I refused the upgrade. Both times I was quietly given the keys to the upgrade vehicle without paying the upgrade fee. In neither instance did anyone say anything about running out of anything. My guess is that they try to get you to pay for an upgrade when they run out of what you reserved. A bit sneaky, but all&#8217;s well if you just say no.</p>
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<h2 id="h-how-do-you-avoid-falling-for-the-upsell-scam" class="wp-block-heading">How do you avoid falling for the upsell scam?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fortunately, only about 1 percent of car rental customers end up without a vehicle, according to industry insiders &#8212; although that number can rise during the busy holiday travel season. But you don&#8217;t have to become a statistic.</p>



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<li><strong>Book a car at a less busy time. </strong>Avoid arriving at the car rental counter at the busiest time (like 3 p.m. on July 3, when the inventory will be picked clean). The earlier, the better. And if you can avoid the busy days before a holiday, there will be plenty of cars.<br></li>



<li><strong>Pay in full </strong><strong><em>before</em></strong><strong> you arrive at the counter.</strong> That&#8217;s the advice of Mark Cipollina, a frequent car renter who runs a <a href="https://www.generation-nomad.com/">travel gear site</a>. &#8220;If you pay in full, they have to give you what you already paid for or upgrade your reservation for free,&#8221; he says. At least that&#8217;s the general policy of the major car rental companies. You may also get a discount on your car by paying for the entire rental upfront.<br></li>



<li><strong>Call their bluff.</strong> If you refuse to accept the upsell, your car rental company will have to either give you an available car or pay for your rental with a competing car rental company. Yep, that&#8217;s the industry practice.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It helps to rent from a name-brand rental company like Avis, Enterprise, or Hertz, says car expert Lauren Fix. &#8220;Many brands have sister companies that can fill the rental,&#8221; she says. Fix, who has experienced the upsell scam herself, recommends bringing a printout (yes, a paper printout) of your confirmation. That can help speed up the process of finding you a car.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One more thing: Read your new contract <em>carefully</em>, especially if the car rental company gives you an upgrade. I&#8217;ve seen too many cases where customers accept the keys to a bigger vehicle and sign an agreement without reviewing it. Unfortunately, the contract may have a new, higher rate &#8212; something the car rental associate failed to mention.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What to know about the car rental upsell scam</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">When a rental company runs out of cars, what happens next can cost you. Here is what travelers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is the car rental upsell scam?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It is a pressure tactic that surfaces when a company oversells its fleet. Instead of upgrading you for free, the company offers two bad options: wait, possibly for hours, for a car in your class to come back, or pay extra for a bigger vehicle. Most travelers, eager to start their trip, end up paying. A newer twist is a separate &#8220;customer choice&#8221; fee added when you swap into the car you actually reserved.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is charging a &#8220;customer choice&#8221; or upsell fee legal?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Running out of cars and charging more for a larger one is generally legal, but experts describe it as shady rather than acceptable practice. A last-minute upsell is not what you should expect from a professional business, and industry voices say pressuring a customer this way crosses an ethical line even when it stays within the law.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is the upsell scam getting more common?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Industry experts say it appears to be increasing, driven by higher demand, fleet shortages, and inflation-related cost pressure. Some companies may even limit availability in lower car classes to push customers toward pricier options, which makes it more important to know your rights before you reach the counter.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What are rental companies supposed to do when they run out of cars?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>The industry standard is to upgrade you to a similar or higher class at no extra charge, and major brands typically do exactly that. When a company instead invents a fee or forces a paid choice, it is departing from that norm, which strengthens your case for a refund.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How do I avoid getting pressured into a paid upgrade?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Rent at a less busy time, since lots empty out on peak holiday afternoons. Pay in full before you arrive, which generally obligates the company to give you your car or upgrade you for free. And if you are pushed, calmly decline: the company usually must find you an available car or cover a rental with a competitor.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What if I have to accept a bigger car?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Read the new contract before you sign. Renters sometimes take the keys to an upgraded vehicle and sign without noticing a new, higher rate the associate did not mention. Renting from a major brand and bringing a paper printout of your confirmation can also help the counter find you a car faster.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How often do renters actually end up without a car?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Only about 1 percent of customers end up without a vehicle, according to industry insiders, though that figure can climb during busy holiday periods. You can lower your own odds with timing and prepayment. For more on fighting unfair travel charges, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/travel-troubleshooter/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s travel help resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    Readers turned this into a strategy session, when to refuse an upgrade, why prepaying can backfire, and a parade of oversized-car horror stories that made the free upgrade sound less appealing.
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      Just say no, and the free upgrade often appears
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      Several readers confirmed the article&#8217;s core tactic. <strong>George Schulman</strong> reported the same scenario others described: decline the paid upgrade and the bigger car often materializes anyway at no charge. <strong>deemery</strong> has frequently been bumped to a larger vehicle when the reserved class was gone, without being charged for it. The consensus was that the &#8220;for-a-fee&#8221; offer is worth refusing, because saying no calls the bluff.
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      The prepay trap
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      A counterpoint surfaced fast: prepaying can cost you the free upgrade. <strong>Romeo Raabe</strong> said that when his prepaid car was unavailable, he was told he would have gotten a larger car free had he not prepaid, but because he had, he was charged for the upgrade, an outcome <strong>LeeAnneClark</strong> flatly called a scam. <strong>Howard schwartz</strong> described prepaying for a convertible, being downgraded, and then being refused a credit for the difference, and now never prepays. Their experiences complicate the article&#8217;s advice to pay in full ahead of time.
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      Bigger is not always better, and other scams
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      Readers pushed back on treating an upgrade as a prize. <strong>AJPeabody</strong> deliberately rents smaller than his own car for the safety margin, while <strong>deemery</strong>, <strong>Frank Loncar</strong>, and <strong>George Schulman</strong> traded horror stories of unwieldy oversized vehicles, from a Lincoln that needed a spotter to park to a modified 18-seat van in Maui that guzzled gas and required multiple parking spaces. <strong>Tim</strong> argued airports should show when a car class is sold out at the time you reserve, rather than letting you book something they cannot supply. And <strong>EnvBK</strong> flagged related traps to watch, being charged for declined insurance or for fuel after returning the car full.
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        <li>A viral report warned that the TSA&#8217;s newer 3D scanners have smaller entry tunnels than the old X-ray machines, and that an oversized carry-on might not fit, potentially sending travelers back to the counter to check a bag. The anger was immediate: the government as the airlines&#8217; baggage enforcer.</li>
        <li>This commentary calls that a textbook case of decoy outrage, a fake scandal that soaks up the anger a real one deserves. There is no algorithm flagging a bag that is an inch too wide, and no documented wave of travelers being marched back to pay a checked-bag fee. If your bag fits and passes screening, it flies.</li>
        <li>The scanner panic may be a non-story, but the question it accidentally raises is not. The piece argues the government is already in the fee business, just in the back office rather than at the checkpoint, and that the real scandal is a pricing system built to hide the true cost of flying.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Does the Transportation Security Administration want to measure your luggage? You might be forgiven for thinking so after an aviation blog breathlessly reported that the agency&#8217;s new 3D scanners have smaller entry tunnels than the old X-ray machines.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">An oversized carry-on might not fit through, the report warned. Screeners could send you back to the airline counter to check it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s all it took for travelers to connect the dots. The TSA would become the airlines&#8217; enforcer, catching every overpacked carry-on and converting it into a $45 checked-bag fee. The government is working the squeeze for corporate America.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But it&#8217;s a textbook case of decoy outrage—that&#8217;s when a fake scandal soaks up all the anger a real one deserves. The real scandal here isn&#8217;t about a scanner. It&#8217;s that the government already helps airlines pick your pocket, legally, every single day.</p>



<h2 id="h-a-few-facts-about-the-scanners" class="wp-block-heading">A few facts about the scanners</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The technology isn&#8217;t new. TSA began testing computed tomography scanners at Phoenix Sky Harbor and Boston Logan in 2017. The rollout has been slow and steady ever since. In March 2022, TSA awarded Analogic a $781 million contract for as many as 938 CT systems, and in 2023 it ordered another $1.3 billion worth of scanners. Roughly 634 units were installed by that spring, and TSA adds more every year.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes, the tunnels are smaller. TSA <a href="https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2025/09/12/tsa-checkpoint-state-art-technology-fully-opens-inside-southwest">says so itself</a>, and advises travelers to ask a screener for help rather than force a bag through. But there&#8217;s no algorithm flagging a suitcase that&#8217;s an inch too wide. If your bag fits through the machine and passes screening, it flies.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s what you <em>won&#8217;t </em>find: any documented wave of passengers being turned away at checkpoints and marched back to the ticket counter to pay up. It isn&#8217;t happening.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So the scanner panic is a non-story. The question it accidentally raises is not.</p>



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    <p>Yes, one checked bag and one carryon, FOR FREE, go back to free!! Also, how did this &#8220;fake&#8221; story about some bags possibly not fitting through the scanner get out in the first place? Call out the idiots that start lies.</p>
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<h2 id="h-here-s-the-real-fee-machine" class="wp-block-heading">Here&#8217;s the real fee machine</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Should the government help airlines collect more fees from passengers? Of course not. A security checkpoint exists to stop dangerous items from boarding a plane, not to help an airline hit its quarterly ancillary revenue targets. Turning a federal employee into the baggage police would be a misallocation of public resources.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But in a meaningful sense, the government is already in the fee business. It just works the back office instead of the checkpoint.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Airlines are allowed to advertise a fare that bears little resemblance to what you&#8217;ll pay. A bag costs extra. A seat assignment costs extra. Even sitting next to your own child can cost extra. Washington blesses this shell game by letting carriers keep those fees out of the advertised price.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The numbers are staggering. U.S. airlines collected a record $7.4 billion in baggage fees in 2025, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Southwest ended its 50-year &#8220;bags fly free&#8221; policy last year, closing the last escape hatch. By early 2026, a first checked bag runs about $45 at the major carriers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And when regulators tried something modest—requiring airlines to disclose fees upfront—the industry&#8217;s trade group sued, arguing the Transportation Department had exceeded its authority.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s the scandal. Not a scanner with a snug tunnel. A pricing system engineered to hide the true cost of flying, operating with the government&#8217;s tacit approval.</p>



<h2 id="h-what-washington-should-do" class="wp-block-heading">What Washington should do</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If we&#8217;re going to be angry at the government about luggage, let&#8217;s be angry at the right thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Congress should require that every airfare include at least one carry-on and one checked bag. A suitcase is not an ancillary product—it&#8217;s part of the travel experience. Almost nobody flies without at least a carry-on item. Bundle the bag back into the ticket, and the incentive to overstuff a carry-on disappears. And I&#8217;m willing to bet the TSA screening line will move faster as a result.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Regulators should also mandate all-in price advertising. The fare you see should be the fare you pay. It should also include the ability to reserve a seat rather than wait until you check in to get a leftover middle seat.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">None of this requires new scanners. All you need is a spine.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Decoy outrage is comfortable. It gives you a convenient villain: a machine that can&#8217;t argue back. But the real thing takes more work.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A scanner can find a water bottle buried under two weeks of laundry. Finding the $45 buried in your airfare is up to you, because Washington certainly isn&#8217;t looking.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">TSA scanners and baggage fees: what is true and what is not</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">A viral claim about new TSA scanners set off a wave of fee fears. Here is what travelers actually need to know.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Will the TSA&#8217;s new 3D scanners make me pay a checked-bag fee?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>No. The newer computed tomography scanners do have smaller entry tunnels, and the TSA suggests asking a screener for help rather than forcing a bag through. But there is no system flagging a carry-on that is slightly oversized, and no documented wave of travelers being sent back to the counter to pay. If your bag fits through the machine and clears screening, it flies.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What are these new scanners for?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>They are a security upgrade. Computed tomography scanners give screeners a detailed 3D image of a bag&#8217;s contents, which improves threat detection. The technology is not new: the TSA began testing it years ago and has been rolling it out gradually across airports ever since.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is the TSA working with airlines to enforce bag fees?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>There is no evidence of that. A security checkpoint exists to keep dangerous items off planes, not to police the size of carry-ons for an airline&#8217;s benefit. The commentary describes the scanner fee fear as decoy outrage, a false alarm that distracts from a real issue with how flying is priced.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How much are airlines really making on bag fees?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A lot. U.S. airlines collected a record $7.4 billion in baggage fees in 2025, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. By early 2026, a first checked bag runs about $45 at the major carriers, and Southwest ended its long-running free-checked-bags policy for most passengers, removing one of the last ways to avoid the charge.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why can airlines advertise a fare that is lower than what I pay?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because current rules let carriers keep many fees out of the advertised price. A checked bag, a seat assignment, and other extras are added later, so the headline fare can look cheaper than the real cost of your trip. When regulators tried to require upfront fee disclosure, the airline industry&#8217;s trade group challenged it in court.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What does the author think should change?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>The commentary argues Congress should require every airfare to include at least one carry-on and one checked bag, and that regulators should mandate all-in price advertising so the fare you see is the fare you pay, including the ability to reserve a seat. These are the author&#8217;s policy views, offered as opinion.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I avoid surprise bag fees right now?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Check each airline&#8217;s baggage rules and prices before you book, since fees vary by carrier and fare type and are often cheaper prepaid than at the airport. Traveling with a carry-on that meets the size limits, or using a co-branded airline credit card that includes a free checked bag, can also help. For more travel guidance, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/on-travel/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s coverage</a>.</p></div></details>
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    Readers split sharply on the fee question, some want a bag bundled back into every fare, others want to keep paying only for what they use, and many turned the scanner scare into a lesson about questioning what you read.
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      Bundle a bag back in, and show the full price
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      <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> longed for the days when a checked bag and an assigned seat came baked into the fare. <strong>John Stettler</strong> argued the hotel-style rule requiring the full price upfront should extend to airlines and Amtrak, and that one checked and one carry-on bag should be included. <strong>Shaun</strong> allowed that airlines can charge for what costs them money, but said fees should track the actual cost of handling a bag rather than serve as a way to gouge, a point <strong>George Schulman</strong> pressed by asking what carrying a suitcase really costs the airline.
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      The dissent: do not make me pay for what I skip
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      Plenty pushed back on the bundling idea. <strong>GradUT</strong>, who rarely votes no on one of Chris&#8217;s questions, did this time, since a built-in bag fee would charge for something a carry-on-only traveler never uses. <strong>BMG</strong> and <strong>AJPeabody</strong> agreed, with AJPeabody proposing &#8220;either a carry-on or a checked bag, plus a seat&#8221; as the free baseline. <strong>lostinlodos</strong> made the fullest case, that extras are added at the end of a purchase everywhere in life, that the total is the same either way, and that most domestic travelers do not check a bag, so why force the majority to opt out. <strong>Joe X</strong> added that flyers chase the lowest advertised fare themselves, which is exactly why airlines strip the price down.
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      Question the scare, and enforce the carry-on rules
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      <strong>Tim</strong> used the scanner story as a media-literacy lesson, urging readers to ask &#8220;according to whom?&#8221; before believing a claim that fails the sniff test. On carry-ons, <strong>Gerry Anderson</strong> and <strong>lostinlodos</strong> had little patience for travelers who jam oversized bags into the overhead and blame others, while <strong>GradUT</strong> and <strong>Shaun</strong> called for stricter enforcement of size and quantity limits so a &#8220;personal item&#8221; cannot quietly claim bin space. <strong>y_p_w</strong> noted that police are sometimes called to remove passengers who refuse to pay a baggage fee, a reminder of how heated the checkpoint can get.
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		<title>Your passport just got political. Here&#8217;s what that means</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="226" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_Cartoon_of_man_standing_a_passport_control_handing_ov_324e300e-77ff-441c-9419-c2e04e22284a_1-300x226.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Black and white cartoon of a traveler handing his passport across a desk to a uniformed border officer at passport control." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_Cartoon_of_man_standing_a_passport_control_handing_ov_324e300e-77ff-441c-9419-c2e04e22284a_1-300x226.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_Cartoon_of_man_standing_a_passport_control_handing_ov_324e300e-77ff-441c-9419-c2e04e22284a_1-1062x800.png 1062w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_Cartoon_of_man_standing_a_passport_control_handing_ov_324e300e-77ff-441c-9419-c2e04e22284a_1-150x113.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_Cartoon_of_man_standing_a_passport_control_handing_ov_324e300e-77ff-441c-9419-c2e04e22284a_1-768x578.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Elliott_Cartoon_of_man_standing_a_passport_control_handing_ov_324e300e-77ff-441c-9419-c2e04e22284a_1.png 1232w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>The next time you hand over your passport at a border, it might double as a political statement. To mark America's 250th anniversary, the State Department has begun issuing a limited-edition commemorative passport unlike any before it: a fully valid travel document, with all the usual security features, whose interior pairs a sitting president's portrait with the text of the Declaration of Independence. A passport historian says he can find no precedent for a sitting head of state's image in a passport, not even in authoritarian regimes. Other countries have made their travel documents political in quieter ways, a disputed map here, a national-identity redesign there, but a leader's face inside the book appears to be new. You only receive the commemorative version if you apply in person at one office in Washington, where it becomes the default; everyone else keeps the standard design, which works identically at every crossing. Supporters call it a patriotic keepsake for the semiquincentennial. Critics ask whether any single administration belongs inside a document issued to every citizen.]]></description>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">The next time you hand over your passport at a border crossing, it might hand back a political statement.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The State Department this week began issuing a <a href="https://travel.state.gov/en/passports/apply/help/security-design/passport-250.html">limited-edition commemorative passport</a> to mark America&#8217;s 250th anniversary, and it looks like no U.S. passport before it. The inside cover features President Donald Trump&#8217;s portrait set against the text of the Declaration of Independence, alongside his signature.</p>


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<h2 id="h-what-it-is-and-how-to-get-one" class="wp-block-heading">What it is and how to get one</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The commemorative passport is a fully valid travel document. It has the same page count as a standard book, and the same security features. It&#8217;s issued only at the Washington Passport Agency in Washington, D.C., while supplies last. You won&#8217;t get one if you apply online, by mail, at an embassy abroad or at any other passport agency.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are two ways to get the special passport book. If you have international travel within 14 days, you can book an in-person appointment, which requires a $60 expedite fee on top of regular fees. Otherwise, you can apply at special Saturday acceptance events on August 22 and September 26, where regular fees and processing times apply. There&#8217;s no surcharge for the commemorative design itself. Applications use the standard forms and the established fee schedule. Officials say between 25,000 and 30,000 will be available.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One more thing to know: The commemorative book is the default for people applying in person at the Washington office. If you&#8217;d rather have the standard design, apply online or anywhere else in the country, where nothing changes.</p>



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    <p>No, I wouldn&#8217;t. I like passports that are a-political. It should represent (like you said, Chris) the beauty of the country, not its leaders (Republican or Democrat).</p>
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<h2 id="h-has-this-ever-happened-before" class="wp-block-heading">Has this ever happened before?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The government has issued commemorative passports twice. A Bicentennial edition ran during the calendar year 1976, and a green Benjamin Franklin passport marked 200 years of the Foreign Service from 1993 to 1994. Neither featured a president&#8217;s picture. Passport historian Patrick Bixby calls the new design &#8220;entirely novel,&#8221; saying he&#8217;s found no precedent for a sitting head of state&#8217;s image in a passport, not even in authoritarian regimes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Other countries have made their travel documents political in different ways:</p>



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<li>China&#8217;s passports feature a map with its disputed South China Sea claims, drawing protests from the Philippines and Vietnam.</li>



<li>Taiwan redesigned its passport in 2020 to shrink &#8220;Republic of China&#8221; to fine print and highlight &#8220;Taiwan&#8221;—a statement about national identity.</li>



<li>Britain restored its blue passport after Brexit, with the government framing it as restoring national identity.</li>



<li>Iran&#8217;s passport reportedly states the holder may not travel to &#8220;occupied Palestine.&#8221;</li>
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<h2 id="h-why-does-the-government-say-you-ll-want-one" class="wp-block-heading">Why does the government say you&#8217;ll want one?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The State Department calls the passport &#8220;a fitting tribute to America&#8217;s birthday, offering Americans a tangible connection to our founding and a symbol of the freedom to explore the world.&#8221; Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the passport is a tremendous source of pride for Americans traveling abroad, and the commemorative edition is part of a broader effort to modernize the passport system.</p>



<h2 id="h-why-travelers-are-skeptical-of-the-new-passport" class="wp-block-heading">Why travelers are skeptical of the new passport</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The new passport is a striking break from tradition, travelers are concerned that carrying it could advertise their political affiliations as they travel around the world. That&#8217;s something no other passport asks of its holder. Critics have also questioned the design&#8217;s rumored &#8220;Welcome, but be good!&#8221; message, pointing out that passports go to citizens, not visitors.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The politics are contentious too. Several Democratic lawmakers have criticized the plan, and senators have moved to block the president&#8217;s face from appearing on passports altogether. For the average traveler, the practical concern is simpler: Your passport gets inspected by foreign border officers who may have their own views, and a standard book invites none of those questions.</p>



<h2 id="h-what-do-you-think-of-the-commemorative-passport" class="wp-block-heading">What do you think of the commemorative passport?</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Follow-up questions:</p>



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<li><strong>If yes:</strong> Is it patriotism, a collector&#8217;s instinct or something else? Would you make a special trip to Washington to get one?</li>



<li><strong>If no:</strong> Is it the design, the politics or the hassle? Would you feel differently if it featured only the founders or a different president?</li>
</ul>



<h2 id="h-my-take" class="wp-block-heading">My take</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A passport is the one document every international traveler carries, and it works best when it speaks for all of us. Past designs featured landscapes, landmarks and history, images attached to the nation rather than to any single administration. Putting a sitting president inside the book breaks with that tradition, and travelers didn&#8217;t ask for it. If you love the design, the path to getting one is easy. If you don&#8217;t, the standard passport works the same at every border. That&#8217;s the good news here: Nobody outside one office in Washington has to make this choice at all.</p>



<h2 id="h-your-turn" class="wp-block-heading">Your turn</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Should travel documents ever carry political imagery? Would you go out of your way to get this passport, or to avoid it? Our comments are open. A quick note before you weigh in: This isn&#8217;t a political site, and our strict rules of decorum apply. In other words—welcome, but be good.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Car-Photo-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Illustration of a man with a camera on a neck strap crouching to photograph the rear of a white rental car in a parking area, documenting its condition." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Car-Photo-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Car-Photo-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Car-Photo-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Car-Photo-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Car-Photo.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>When Matt Murray rented an Audi A4 in Tampa recently, the lot already had at least four cameras recording the car as it rolled out the gate. An attendant assured him he did not need to take his own photos. He took them anyway, and then started to wonder: in an age of automated inspections, does a renter still need to document the car at all? It is a fair question, because the industry is changing fast. Car rental companies are rolling out AI-powered imaging systems that photograph a vehicle before and after every rental and compare the two sets side by side to flag new damage, with automated systems arriving at roughly 100 large U.S. airport locations. The promise is fewer disputes and the right renter billed for the right ding. The worry, as one industry expert puts it, is that it is too early to tell whether this protects renters or simply becomes a new source of revenue for rental agencies. Damage claims can already stack repair costs on top of service fees and loss-of-use charges, and rental companies do not always get it right.]]></description>
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        <li>When a renter picked up an Audi in Tampa, the lot already had at least four cameras recording the car as it left the gate, and an attendant told him he did not need to take his own photos. He took them anyway, then wondered whether that was still necessary.</li>
        <li>Car rental companies are rolling out AI-powered imaging systems that photograph a vehicle before and after each rental to flag new damage. The technology is arriving at around 100 large U.S. airport locations, and it is reshaping how damage disputes get decided.</li>
        <li>The catch is who those cameras actually protect. Damage claims can carry not just repair costs but service and loss-of-use fees, and experts are split on whether the new systems shield renters or hand rental companies a more powerful tool to pursue them, which raises the question of what a careful renter should do now.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Matt Murray wants to know if he should still take pictures of his rental car before he drives it off the lot. The answer is complicated.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The question came up when he rented an Audi A4 in Tampa recently.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The car rental company had at least four cameras recording as the car left the gate,&#8221; remembers Murray, a real estate agent from Westport, Conn.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He told the attendant he preferred to take his own photos to document any possible damage, but an attendant assured him he didn&#8217;t need to. (He took pictures anyway.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;But that got me thinking,&#8221; he says. &#8220;Do I still need to take pictures?&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Short answer: Yes, you do. And there&#8217;s a reason for it.</p>



<h2 id="h-why-people-take-pictures-of-their-rental-car" class="wp-block-heading">Why people take pictures of their rental car</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Travelers take snapshots of their rental car for all kinds of reasons &#8212; to document their vacation, or to show off a hot set of wheels to their friends. But the biggest one is to show the condition of the vehicle before and after they rent it. They do it because they don&#8217;t want to get charged for damage to the vehicle that didn&#8217;t happen during their rental.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before smartphones, taking images of a rental wasn&#8217;t always possible because you needed to travel with a camera. Now, many travelers automatically take images just in case there&#8217;s a damage claim. The time-stamped and geotagged photos show the car&#8217;s condition at pickup and return, which allows the renter to respond to any damage claim by the car rental company.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For years, car rental companies have invited their customers to document the condition of their vehicle, either through an inspection or by taking images. (One company, Turo, even integrated a photo-inspection feature into its app so drivers could take a picture of their vehicle.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We actively encourage renters to be engaged in our vehicle inspection process, and we welcome customers taking pictures of their vehicle at time of pickup,&#8221; says Mike Wilmering, a spokesman for Enterprise Mobility.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Car rental companies assume that the last person who rents the car before they discover damage is responsible for it. Having photos of the car at drop-off can protect a car rental customer from thousands of dollars in wrong damage claims.&nbsp;</p>



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<h2 id="h-how-car-rental-inspections-work" class="wp-block-heading">How car rental inspections work</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s how car rental inspections have typically worked, according to Wilmering.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At a non-airport location, a team member walks around the car with the renter to review the condition of the vehicle and ensure everything is appropriately captured on the rental agreement.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At Enterprise&#8217;s airport locations, where renters are typically in a hurry, the company conducts an inspection in advance, and the customer then receives a report on the condition of the vehicle on their rental agreement.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wilmering says Enterprise is looking into imaging technology but hasn&#8217;t implemented it yet.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We&#8217;re exploring all options to ensure the most consistent and best customer experience,&#8221; he adds.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But what would that mean?</p>



<h2 id="h-new-vehicle-imaging-technology-could-eliminate-the-need-for-manual-car-rental-photos-nbsp" class="wp-block-heading">New vehicle imaging technology could eliminate the need for manual car rental photos&nbsp;</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Vehicle imaging technology that photographs rental cars has been around for decades. But new products from companies such as Damage iD, InspektLabs, and DeGould use artificial intelligence to identify damage to a rental vehicle.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The process is simple. A rental agent takes pictures of the vehicle’s exterior from different angles using a smartphone app. When you return the car, the agent repeats the process. These apps also zoom in to take close-ups of potential damage. An AI bot compares both sets of before-and-after photos side-by-side to identify any new damage. Then it stores the pictures in the cloud. The technology is most likely to be used by independent or franchise car rental locations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Many large rental companies also use automated imaging systems that employ drive-through cameras to snap pictures of the entire car, front and back, before and after the rental. Major car rental companies are testing or implementing the technology, according to industry experts.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The technology can save rental companies money and a headache in terms of conflicts with renters,&#8221; says Fran Majidi, an insurance expert at SmartFinancial, an insurance-comparison website.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Vehicle imaging technology is becoming more popular. Automated imaging systems will be rolled out to about 100 large airport locations in the U.S. by the end of this month, according to Mark Mannell, CEO of CarRentalSavers.com.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;But it&#8217;s too early to tell if this will be beneficial to renters &#8212; or just a source of revenue for rental agencies,&#8221; he adds.</p>



<h2 id="h-what-are-the-benefits-of-vehicle-imaging-technology" class="wp-block-heading">What are the benefits of vehicle imaging technology?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The latest imaging technology promises to address one of the most contentious issues in the car rental industry. When a car rental company finds damage to one of its cars, it bills the last renter for the damage. The charge can also include a service fee for the damage recovery and a fee for loss of use. Car rental companies don&#8217;t always get it right.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Sadly, there are still car rental companies that may operate unscrupulously and charge unwitting customers for damage that was pre-existing,&#8221; says Alex Villalobos, director of operations at the Costa Rican car rental company Vamos Rent-A-Car.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The technology could end that by providing photographic documentation of the damage, showing the correct renter who returned the damaged vehicle. Car rental companies benefit because they can bill the right renter for the ding or dent. But it can also prove a renter&#8217;s innocence when that person is falsely accused of damaging a vehicle.</p>



<h2 id="h-what-are-the-problems-with-vehicle-imaging-technology" class="wp-block-heading">What are the problems with vehicle imaging technology?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The imaging technology has a few challenges, according to experts.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Image quality. </strong>The images generated by the technology are sometimes insufficient to prove a renter is responsible for damage. &#8220;There are system limitations like the quality of the images and angle coverage that can mean that not all damage can be properly captured,&#8221; says Deege Carse, a director of Trackershop, a vehicle security company.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Human error.</strong> &#8220;The technology isn&#8217;t foolproof,&#8221; says Rob DeLisa, founder of CarLeaseTips.com, He says issues like low lighting, missed angles, or disputed timestamps can still happen, resulting in renters incorrectly being billed for damage.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Overreliance on AI.</strong> While imaging technology can often effectively identify anomalies between the start and the end of a rental, it becomes too easy for a car rental company to simply give the entire damage case to AI. That means there are almost no humans reviewing a damage claim to ensure that it makes sense. As a consumer advocate, I&#8217;ve run into a few of these &#8220;too much AI&#8221; damage cases.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As imaging technology becomes more common, many car rental companies have adopted more rigid attitudes toward damage noted on these systems. The attitude is, &#8220;The system can&#8217;t be wrong.&#8221; And that means customers need to keep their own records.</p>



<h2 id="h-you-should-still-take-manual-photos-of-your-car-rental" class="wp-block-heading">You should still take manual photos of your car rental</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The photos that the associates of the rental places take are for their protection, not yours,&#8221; says Don Orkoskey, a commercial photographer and former car rental agent. &#8220;They will and do miss damage when checking cars and trucks out, but may not miss them when checking them in.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fact is, although the new imaging technology can help, most of the car rental employees have little time to check the cars when they&#8217;ve been returned. They can &#8212; and often do &#8212; miss an angle or a side of the car.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Make sure you get the following pictures on your phone:</p>



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<li>The hood and front bumper, especially the windshield and VIN placard.</li>
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<li>The roof.</li>
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<li>Both side, including each door, rims and tires.</li>
</ul>



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<li>The back, the bumper and the rear windshield.&nbsp;</li>
</ul>



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<li>The license plate.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Don&#8217;t forget the interior of the vehicle &#8212; seats, dashboard, floors. If you see damage, ask for a different car. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;And make sure your photos are time-stamped,&#8221; says Maya Afilalo, an industry analyst at AutoInsurance.com. (Most photos taken with a smartphone will be.) &#8220;Keep the photos saved after you return the car.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Car renters like Murray, the real estate agent from Connecticut, can feel a little more confident that car rental companies are documenting the condition of his vehicle. But the agent who suggested he didn&#8217;t need to take any photos of his car was wrong.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">New imaging technology may protect renters. Or it may give rental companies a license to pursue more of their customers for damage to their vehicles. Now, more than ever, you need to protect yourself.</p>



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  <p class="voice-matters-intro">As rental companies hand more of the damage-inspection process to cameras and AI, the balance of proof between renter and company is shifting. We want to hear how you handle it.</p>
  <ul class="voice-matters-questions">
    <li>Do you take your own photos every time you rent a car, or do you trust the rental company&#8217;s cameras to document the condition fairly?</li>
    <li>Have you ever been billed for damage you did not cause, and did your own photos help you fight the charge?</li>
    <li>Should rental companies be required to share their before-and-after images with the renter automatically, not only when a dispute arises?</li>
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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What to know about rental car photos and AI damage inspections</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">Car rental companies increasingly use cameras and AI to inspect vehicles, but your own photos still matter. Here is what travelers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Should I still take photos of my rental car?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Yes. Even when a rental company has its own cameras, those images are meant to protect the company, not you, and staff can miss damage at checkout that they catch at return. Your own time-stamped photos at pickup and drop-off give you evidence to dispute a damage charge you did not cause.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is AI vehicle imaging technology?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It is a system that photographs a rental car from multiple angles at pickup and again at return, then uses artificial intelligence to compare the before-and-after images and flag new damage. Some companies use smartphone apps, while larger operators use drive-through camera arrays. The images are typically stored in the cloud.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Does the camera technology protect renters or the rental company?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It can do both. Photographic documentation can prove which renter actually returned a damaged car, which protects an innocent driver. But experts caution it is too early to know whether the systems mainly help renters or become another way for companies to pursue damage charges, so keeping your own records still matters.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What can go wrong with AI damage inspections?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Experts point to a few weaknesses: image quality and angle coverage may miss or misread damage, low lighting and disputed time stamps can cause errors, and companies can lean so heavily on the AI that no human reviews whether a claim makes sense. Some firms treat the system as incapable of error, which makes your own evidence important.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What photos should I take, and when?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>At both pickup and return, photograph the hood and front bumper including the windshield and VIN placard, the roof, both sides with every door, the rims and tires, the rear bumper and rear windshield, and the license plate. Do not forget the interior. Confirm the images are time-stamped and keep them after you return the car.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What fees can a damage claim include?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Beyond the repair cost, a car rental damage claim can add a service fee for damage recovery and a fee for loss of use while the car is being fixed. Because these charges add up, being able to show the car&#8217;s condition at return can save a renter from a large and sometimes incorrect bill.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What should I do if I am wrongly charged for damage?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Respond promptly with your time-stamped pickup and return photos showing the car&#8217;s condition, and ask the company to reconcile its own images with yours. If the dispute stalls, escalate in writing. For more guidance on fighting unfair charges, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/on-travel/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s travel coverage</a>.</p></div></details>
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		<title>Michael Kors and UPS are playing hot potato with my $687 refund — how do I win?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[Problem Solved]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Package-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a distressed woman standing at her front door, hands to her face, as a UPS driver stands by his truck with his hands raised in an empty-handed shrug." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Package-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Package-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Package-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Package-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Package.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Lina Mahmoud's $687 Michael Kors order never showed up. UPS investigated, declared the package lost, and confirmed in writing that the refund should come from the shipper, Michael Kors. That should have settled it. Instead, Michael Kors refused, pointing to a proof-of-delivery photo that, she says, does not clearly show her package at all. She was told the claim was denied and that this was the final answer, and when she kept pushing, she says customer service agents began disconnecting her live chats. She was left feeling as though the company now viewed her as a fraud, caught in a game of corporate hot potato: the carrier says the retailer owes the money, the retailer hides behind a questionable image, and the customer is stuck in the middle. It is a stark reminder of how much the burden of proof can fall on the shopper when a package goes missing, and of what recourse you really have when the standard customer-service channels simply stop answering.]]></description>
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        <li>Lina Mahmoud&#8217;s $687 Michael Kors order never arrived. UPS investigated, declared the package lost, and put in writing that the refund should come from the shipper, Michael Kors.</li>
        <li>Michael Kors refused anyway, pointing to a proof-of-delivery photo that, by her account, does not clearly show her package at all. She was told the claim was denied and that this was the final answer, and says agents began disconnecting her live chats when she pressed the issue.</li>
        <li>Her case is a textbook round of corporate hot potato: the carrier says the retailer owes the refund, the retailer hides behind a questionable photo, and the customer is stuck in the middle, which raises the question of what recourse a shopper actually has when a package vanishes and no one will pay.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><em>UPS declares Lina Mahmoud&#8217;s $687 package lost, but Michael Kors refuses to refund her, playing a frustrating game of corporate hot potato. How does she get her money back?&nbsp;</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I am at my wits’ end trying to get a refund from Michael Kors for a lost package worth $687. UPS finished its investigation and declared the package lost, confirming in writing that the refund should come from the shipper, Michael Kors.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But Michael Kors keeps refusing, claiming “proof of delivery,” even though the photo UPS provided doesn’t clearly show my package. I’ve tried everything, and now its customer service agents are disconnecting my live chat when I contact them. I’ve been told the claim is denied and this is the final answer. I feel like they now see me as a fraud. What can I do to get my money back? — <strong>Lina Mahmoud</strong>, <em>Jersey City, N.J.</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now here&#8217;s a classic case of corporate miscommunication. Your retailer, Michael Kors, is hiding behind a questionable proof-of-delivery photo and appears to be ignoring UPS&#8217;s own investigation results. And UPS is washing its hands of the entire incident.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When UPS declared the package lost and compensated Michael Kors, the clock should have immediately started for your refund. Instead, you were trapped in a frustrating loop of denial.</p>



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    <p>The shipment company refunded the seller, and the seller refused to refund the buyer? Another ploy by business to screw the consumer. The fact that her live chats were being disconnected shows that someone within the organization was trying to block her from receiving her refund. She should report Michael Kors to her Attorney General&#8217;s office and the Better Business Bureau for bad business practices.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Your experience is a powerful reminder of the importance of self-advocacy when you&#8217;re facing a corporate stonewall. When standard customer service channels fail, you have to be prepared to escalate your case to the people with the authority to solve it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You can find the executive contacts for <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/michael-kors-customer-service-contacts/">Michael Kors</a> and <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/ups/">UPS</a> on my consumer advocacy site, Elliott.org. A brief, polite email to the right person—in your case, a manager at Michael Kors—could move things in the right direction.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The key lesson here is to know when it&#8217;s time to bypass the customer-service agent and contact someone in charge. And for you, that time is now. To do this effectively, always have a clear, written paper trail of all your attempts to resolve the issue with the company. Then, when regular channels deny your claim, send a polite, concise email to the company&#8217;s executives. They have the authority and the incentive to resolve a brand-damaging problem quickly.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You contacted me and I advised you to escalate your case, Within a day of appealing your case to an executive at Michael Kors, your refund was on the way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Your victory is a reminder of the power of persistence. Never take &#8220;no&#8221; for an answer when you know you are right. When a company fails you, you have to fight for your rights, because you are always your own best advocate.</p>



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'0'		data-redirect-check = '0'        data-url-href = ''		data-href = ''		data-delay = '0'		data-id = '443'		data-res-rgba = '1'		data-percent-color = '#999A9C'        data-enable-top-animation = ''        data-top-animation-scroll = '100'        data-result-view = 'standart'        data-enable-social-links=''        data-avg=		><span class='ays_poll_passed_count'><i class='ays_poll_fas ays_poll_fa-users' aria-hidden='true'></i> 366</span><div class='ays_poll_cb_and_a'></div><div class='apm-title-box'><div>When a carrier declares a package lost, should the retailer be required to refund you promptly without demanding more proof?</div></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a6091976cbbc ays_question'></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a6091976cbbc hideResults ays-poll-hide-result-box'></div><div class='apm-answers  '><input type='hidden' id='multivot_answer_count' value=''/>			                                        <div class='apm-choosing answer-ays-poll-id-6a6091976cbbc '>			                      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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What to know when a retailer and carrier both deny a lost-package refund</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">A missing package can leave you stuck between the store and the shipper, each blaming the other. Here is what consumers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Who is responsible when a package is lost, the retailer or the carrier?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>As the buyer, your contract is with the retailer that sold you the item, so the retailer is generally responsible for getting the product to you or refunding you. The carrier&#8217;s relationship is usually with the shipper. When a carrier declares a package lost and compensates the shipper, that is a strong signal the retailer should refund the customer.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What counts as valid &#8220;proof of delivery&#8221;?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A proof-of-delivery record is meant to show the package reached your address, often with a photo or signature. If the photo does not clearly show your package at your door, its value as proof is weak. You can and should challenge a denial that rests on an image that proves nothing about your specific delivery.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What should I do if the carrier says the retailer owes the refund?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Get that statement in writing and share it directly with the retailer. A carrier&#8217;s written finding that the package is lost and that the shipper was compensated undercuts a retailer&#8217;s refusal, and it is powerful evidence when you escalate the claim.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What if customer service keeps denying or disconnecting me?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>When frontline channels fail or cut off contact, it is time to escalate. Send a brief, polite email to a named executive at the retailer. Executives have the authority to resolve a dispute and an incentive to fix a brand-damaging problem quickly, which frontline agents may not.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why is a written paper trail so important?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because it turns your account into documented fact. Saving chats, emails, claim numbers, and the carrier&#8217;s findings lets you show a clear pattern of good-faith attempts to resolve the issue, which strengthens your case with an executive or, if needed, a credit card dispute.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can I dispute the charge with my credit card instead?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>You can, and a lost-package case with the carrier&#8217;s written findings is strong support. Frame the dispute around the fact that you never received the item you paid for, and include the carrier&#8217;s lost-package determination and your documentation. Escalating to the retailer&#8217;s executives in parallel often resolves it faster.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I protect myself on future high-value orders?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Consider requiring a signature on delivery, shipping to a secure location, and keeping order confirmations. If a package does go missing, act quickly, open a claim, document everything, and know that you can escalate above frontline support. For more help, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/problem-solved/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s consumer help resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    Readers dug into who is really on the hook for a lost package, debated the smartest way to break a corporate standoff, and shared their own battles with shippers that mark a package &#8220;delivered&#8221; and offer no proof.
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      <strong>David Kingsley</strong> found UPS impossible until he escalated relentlessly, and said that raising the prospect of legal action once got him routed to someone in the legal department who finally fixed it, though he stressed a demand letter belongs near the end of the process, after working up the chain. <strong>George Schulman</strong> pushed back on threats of any kind, arguing it is more effective to skip the bluster and simply file a small-claims case, then negotiate from there. Both agreed the real leverage is documentation and persistence, not empty warnings.
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      <strong>SusanV</strong> shared a saga in which a liquidator marked two separate packages delivered with no photo or signature, dangled a full refund, then paid only part until she filed a chargeback with a full paper trail, at which point the seller finally paid the balance. <strong>Eric Stone</strong> called out the &#8220;billing cycles&#8221; excuse as an outdated stall tactic, since refunds now typically post within days. And <strong>y_p_w</strong> offered a lighter version, a retailer with no tracking that shipped a replacement, then told his wife to keep both when the original turned up.
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		<title>They advertised two queen beds and a clean room. I got neither—and a $922 charge.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[The Travel Troubleshooter]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[BAIT AND SWITCH]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[BOOKING.COM]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[CAPITAL ONE]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Gross-Room-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a shocked woman standing between two twin beds with visibly stained sheets in a hotel room, a city skyline through the window behind her." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Gross-Room-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Gross-Room-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Gross-Room-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Gross-Room-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Gross-Room.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Rebekah Singleton booked a room with two queen beds at a Brooklyn hotel through Booking.com because she specifically needed the queen beds. What she got was something else entirely. The beds measured out to roughly 50 inches wide, a full size, not a queen, and the room itself was filthy: sheets marked with grease stains, hair, and what looked like suspicious red stains. The second room she was offered was worse, with red splatter across the floor. She did not feel safe, so she left that night and found another hotel. Then the real ordeal began. The hotel denied her photo evidence. Booking.com dragged the matter out for weeks and offered only a small goodwill credit. She disputed the $922 charge with her credit card, which briefly credited her before rebilling the entire amount once the merchant pushed back. She was left out nearly a thousand dollars for a room she never used, caught between a property, a platform, and a card issuer, each pointing elsewhere, and left asking what a booking site actually owes you when the room it sold bears no resemblance to the one you paid for.]]></description>
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        <li>Rebekah Singleton booked a room with two queen beds at a Brooklyn hotel through Booking.com. When she checked in, the beds measured out to full-size, not queen, and the room was filthy, with stained sheets, hair, and alarming red marks. A second room was worse.</li>
        <li>She left that night and booked elsewhere, then went to work on a refund of the $922 charge. The hotel denied her photo evidence, Booking.com offered a small goodwill credit, and even her credit card chargeback was reversed after the merchant pushed back, leaving her out nearly a thousand dollars for a room she never used.</li>
        <li>Her case raises a pointed question about who is responsible when a listing does not match reality: the property that advertised it, the platform that sold it, or the card issuer that first credited the charge and then took it back. When advertised and delivered do not match, what does a booking platform actually owe you?</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><em>Rebekah Singleton reserves a two-queen room in a Brooklyn, N.Y., hotel through Booking.com, only to discover dirty sheets, suspicious stains, and bait-and-switch bedding. Now, she&#8217;s battling the hotel and the booking platform with undeniable photo evidence to recover the full $922 charge she believes she is owed.</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I booked a room with two queen beds through Booking.com at a hotel in Brooklyn, N.Y. I needed the queen beds, and the room was clearly advertised as such.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, when I checked in, the beds were obviously smaller—I later measured them to be approximately 50 inches wide, which is a full-size, not a queen. To make matters worse, the room was disgusting. The sheets had grease stains, hair, and what looked like suspicious red stains.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I asked for a new room, but the second one was worse, featuring a clear splatter of red stains across the floor.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I didn&#8217;t feel safe or comfortable and left that night, finding another hotel. I immediately contacted the hotel and Booking.com. The hotel denied my request for a full refund. Booking.com gave me the runaround for weeks and offered a mere $106 goodwill credit. I disputed the charge on my credit card. Capital One initially credited the $922 charge but then rebilled it after the merchant responded to the chargeback. I&#8217;ve sent all my photo and video proof to all three parties, and yet I&#8217;m still out almost a thousand dollars for a service I never used. What can I do to get my full refund? — <strong>Rebekah Singleton</strong>, <em>Alexandria, Va.</em></p>



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    <p>Another booking.com case and a hard underline under &#8220;book direct, not third party.&#8221; No information about the hotel was given, was it an independent, or property of a &#8220;brand&#8221; hotel. Had the hotel been a branded hotel, and booked directly, her chances for resolution would have been better. Third party will almost always back away and say to contact hotel directly. Glad she was refunded and I hope she leaves an honest review of this skanky hotel.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is an infuriating bait-and-switch case compounded by a gross disregard for public health and safety. The hotel falsely advertised accommodations with two queen beds and then gave you a room with smaller beds and alarming, unsanitary conditions, including suspicious red splatters. Ugh.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Despite your exhaustive paper trail documenting multiple attempts to resolve the issue with the hotel and Booking.com—including several long phone calls—both companies refused a full refund. The hotel simply denied your photographic evidence, and Booking.com attempted to settle the matter with a meager credit, claiming your valid health and safety concerns were merely a matter of opinion.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">With the hotel refusing to budge and Booking.com failing its duty to ensure accurate listings and customer satisfaction, your most direct path was to resubmit a comprehensive dispute to Capital One, focusing on the clear contract violation of the room and bed size. This documented pattern of deceit and poor customer service should have ultimately won your chargeback. Incredibly, it didn&#8217;t. Your credit card company sided with the hotel, claiming you had &#8220;used&#8221; the services. I think it&#8217;s time for you to switch to a different credit card.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Could you have avoided this? Maybe. Reviewing the hotel&#8217;s ratings might have kept you away. It currently has 2 ½ stars out of 5, and the first review warns, &#8220;You are going to regret booking this hotel.&#8221; (I asked you about this, and you said at the time you booked the reviews were &#8220;a mixed bag but nothing completely egregious.&#8221;)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In a situation like this, you have options. You can escalate your complaint to Booking.com—I publish the names, numbers and email addresses of <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/booking-com/">key Booking.com executives</a> on my consumer advocacy site, <a href="http://elliott.org">Elliott.org</a>. Or you could ask a consumer advocate for help.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You chose door number two, and I reached out to <a href="http://booking.com">Booking.com</a> on your behalf to find out if it really planned to force you to pay $922 for these shoddy accommodations. The answer, thankfully, was no.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;After a full review of the case, our customer service team has engaged directly with both the guest and the accommodation to resolve the situation,&#8221; a representative told me. &#8220;Given the concerns raised around room conditions and the customer’s overall experience, we’ve issued a full refund.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I asked <a href="http://booking.com">Booking.com</a> if the hotel would be removed from the platform, and it said it would work directly with the property to make improvements. I guess everyone deserves a second chance, maybe.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What to know when a hotel room is not as advertised</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">A room that does not match its listing, or one that is simply filthy, leaves travelers scrambling for a refund. Here is what consumers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What should I do first if my hotel room is dirty or misrepresented?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Document it immediately. Take time-stamped photos and video of the problems before you leave, whether that is bed size, stains, or unsanitary conditions. Then report it to the front desk and, if you booked through a platform, to that platform right away and ask for a new room or a refund.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is the hotel or the booking platform responsible for a bad room?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Both can share responsibility. The property is responsible for the condition and accuracy of the room, while the platform that sold it has a role in ensuring listings are accurate and that customers are treated fairly. In practice, travelers often have to press both, which is why documentation matters.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can I get a refund if I check out early because the room is unacceptable?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>You can request one, and a strong case rests on evidence. If the room was misadvertised or unsanitary and you left promptly, your photos, measurements, and a record of your complaints support a refund request. There is no guarantee, but a clear contract violation strengthens your position.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why did my credit card chargeback get reversed?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A card issuer can rebill a disputed charge after the merchant responds to the chargeback, especially if the merchant argues you &#8220;used&#8221; the service. This is why it helps to frame a dispute around a concrete contract violation, such as the wrong bed size or a misrepresented room, rather than only on cleanliness, which a merchant may call a matter of opinion.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How do I make a chargeback more likely to succeed?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Base it on facts that are hard to dispute. Provide the listing versus what you received, measurements, photos, and your written complaint history. Emphasize the clear mismatch between what was advertised and what was delivered, which is more persuasive to a card issuer than a subjective cleanliness complaint alone.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Do hotel reviews really help me avoid a bad room?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Often, yes. Checking a property&#8217;s rating and recent reviews before booking can flag a place with a pattern of problems. A low overall score or pointed warnings in the first reviews are worth taking seriously, though reviews are not a guarantee either way.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What if the platform only offers a small goodwill credit?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>You do not have to accept a token credit as final. Escalate beyond frontline agents to named executive contacts at the platform, keep your documentation organized, and be clear about the refund you are seeking. If it stalls, a consumer advocate may be able to help. See <a href="https://www.elliott.org/travel-troubleshooter/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s travel help resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    Readers turned this into a practical clinic on booking hotels: where to book, why the reviews mattered more than anyone wanted to admit, and whether the credit card was as much to blame as the hotel.
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      Book direct, not through a third party
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      This was the loudest refrain. <strong>mss FL</strong> asked why people keep using platforms like Booking.com given how many complaints they generate, and <strong>rcheetah Cheeta</strong> argued the small savings are wiped out by the time and trouble when something goes wrong. <strong>TravelingMe</strong> books only branded hotels to avoid exactly this kind of junk, and <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> uses a third party only when a cruise line arranges the hotel. <strong>Rachel</strong> summed up the workaround: book with the hotel directly, and if you have to join a loyalty program to get the deal, do it.
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      Read the reviews first, they told the whole story
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      Once the property was identified as Hotel 369, readers dug in. <strong>OnePersonOrAnother</strong> and <strong>CasaAlux</strong> found the reviews alarming enough that they would have run rather than booked, and <strong>Stephanus Surjaputra</strong> said an unknown hotel with poor reviews is worth avoiding even if it costs a bit more. <strong>Retiredfed Wisconsin</strong> uses Booking.com only after vetting a property through independent reviews first. <strong>LFH0</strong>, who once worked in the East New York neighborhood, added that the location and the type of independent hotel made the conditions unsurprising, while stressing the traveler still did not deserve to be deceived. <strong>Frank Loncar</strong> offered sympathy, noting sky-high New York City hotel prices push people to gamble on a diamond in the rough.
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      The credit card was part of the problem
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      Several readers turned their fire on the card issuer. <strong>GradUT</strong> argued that if Capital One would not back a customer on a case this egregious, it never will, and <strong>jim6555</strong> said there were clearly valid grounds for a chargeback that a more consumer-friendly issuer would have honored. <strong>Kathleen Matlock</strong> shared her own denied chargebacks and now votes with her wallet by closing unsupportive cards. On the standard itself, <strong>Tim</strong> drew a sensible line: a booking site should refund you when the room does not match the listing and you reject it, though a minor difference like full versus queen beds might be one you would simply accept.
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        <li>Carlos Brown walked up to a rental counter in Cleveland expecting a car, and walked away with a lifetime ban. An agent&#8217;s computer had finally linked his current license to a flagged account, and his loyalty status was terminated on the spot.</li>
        <li>The trigger was a mistake from years earlier, when a single late return escalated into a much bigger problem. By the time it caught up with him, Brown had rebuilt his life and rented dozens of cars without incident, but the system does not care about redemption arcs, it cares about data matches.</li>
        <li>His experience opens up the hidden world of rental car &#8220;Do Not Rent&#8221; lists: private blacklists you cannot see, cannot dispute, and that no federal agency regulates. A company can ban you for life and never has to explain why, which raises the question of whether anyone banned this way has any way back.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Carlos Brown stood at the National Car Rental counter in Cleveland expecting a car. Instead, he got a lifetime ban.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As a state transportation specialist, Brown knew the drill. He had rented 50 cars this year alone; every payment cleared, every car returned scratch-free. But this time the agent’s computer crashed. She called in his details to headquarters—and the trap snapped shut.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I heard her reading my license details,&#8221; Brown says. &#8220;Immediately, she told me I was on the Do Not Rent list.&#8221;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">His Emerald Executive account was terminated. The reason: a mistake he made in 2015.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brown’s case exposes the opaque world of rental blacklists. Can a company ban you for life over a youthful error? And can you ever escape?</p>



<h2 id="h-i-made-a-mistake" class="wp-block-heading">&#8220;I made a mistake&#8221;</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brown walked away from the counter confused. The Risk Management number the agent gave him went straight to voicemail, and no one called back.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For three years, Brown had rented from Enterprise and its sister companies without incident. But the computer finally linked his current Ohio license to a flagged account from 2015.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The trigger was a late rental from his college years. But that clinical description doesn&#8217;t capture the reality of Brown&#8217;s life at the time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I was undiagnosed bipolar,&#8221; he told me. &#8220;I was homeless.&#8221;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He returned one car late. An Enterprise representative put him in the &#8220;penalty box&#8221; for a year. Brown could&#8217;ve waited it out, but he didn&#8217;t.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Unfortunately, during that time, I made the mistake of creating new rental profiles under my name and continuing to rent,&#8221; he admits. &#8220;At the time I wasn&#8217;t thinking clearly and didn&#8217;t realize the consequences.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That escalated a timeout into a lifetime ban. A manager told him the restriction was set for 100 years.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By the time Brown contacted me, he had turned his life around. He received treatment, graduated from Bowling Green State University, and landed a solid job with the State of Ohio. He had excellent credit and a spotless rental history since 2022.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But corporate algorithms don&#8217;t care about redemption arcs. They care about data matches.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I contacted Enterprise on Brown&#8217;s behalf. At first, they sounded helpful. Then came the verdict.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We contacted the customer about this, and he has acknowledged that he did in fact have his rental privileges revoked in 2015 but had continued to rent by creating additional rental profiles,&#8221; a representative told me. &#8220;After reviewing the facts, we have decided to stand by our decision to revoke his rental privileges&#8221;.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Translation: You’re out.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For most people, that would be the end of the road. You’d just walk across the aisle to Hertz or Avis. But Brown didn&#8217;t give up.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-blacklist-is-real" class="wp-block-heading">The blacklist is real</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes, rental car companies can ban you forever. They maintain proprietary &#8220;Do Not Rent&#8221; lists, and if you land on one, you&#8217;re banned from every subsidiary.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The reasons vary: unpaid bills, damage claims, or simply being rude to an employee. And unlike your credit report, you have no legal right to see this file or dispute it. The Federal Trade Commission doesn&#8217;t regulate these lists. Companies don&#8217;t have to give you a hearing. They can just say no. <a href="https://www.elliott.org/advocacy/im-on-a-car-rental-companys-do-not-rent-list-now-theyre-keeping-my-money-too/">Here&#8217;s more on DNR lists and how to get off them.</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brown&#8217;s case reveals a lag in the system. It took a decade to link the 2015 data to his new license, suggesting companies cross-reference names, birth dates, and license numbers—but often slowly.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By the way, Enterprise had every right to stop doing business with Brown after his behavior, which is why my advocacy team decided to accept the company&#8217;s initial &#8220;no.&#8221; We just thought the timing of the ban was a little odd.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The takeaway? If you&#8217;ve been banned, creating an alternate profile or using a nickname won&#8217;t save you. The algorithms are getting smarter.</p>



<h2 id="h-how-to-beat-a-car-rental-ban" class="wp-block-heading">How to beat a car rental ban</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brown refused to let the computer have the final word. He persisted where most customers would have given up. Here&#8217;s how he did it:&nbsp;</p>



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<li><strong>Settle your debts.</strong> If you owe the company money, pay the bill before asking for favors. Brown, in this case, didn&#8217;t owe a dime.</li>
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<li><strong>Own it. </strong>Don’t make excuses. Brown acknowledged his mistakes and explained the mental health struggles that led to them.</li>
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<li><strong>Prove you have changed. </strong>You need proof of responsible renting. Brown pointed to three years of clean rental history with other companies and over 50 successful rentals in a single year.</li>
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<li><strong>Make it personal.</strong> This is often the most important step. Don&#8217;t hide behind email. Visit local branches and the regional office to speak directly with a risk manager. Meeting a human can override a cold computer flag.</li>
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<li><strong>Accept the terms.</strong> Be prepared to agree to specific, often unusual restrictions. I&#8217;ll have more on that in a second.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It took more than a month, but he finally found someone willing to listen: Stephen Kunkle, a risk manager at Enterprise.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;I sent him a formal request for reconsideration,&#8221; Brown says. &#8220;I explained everything honestly and asked for a conditional reinstatement based on my years of stability&#8221;.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it worked.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;As of today, I have been officially removed from the Do Not Rent list and reinstated as a customer,&#8221; Brown told me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But the reinstatement came with conditions. Specific, unusual conditions that Brown accepted immediately:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• Updating extensions on rentals ASAP.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• No inner-city one-way rentals.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• Using his work code for work purposes only.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• Showing his work badge for work related rentals.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These aren&#8217;t standard rental terms. They&#8217;re the conditions of someone on probation — a middle ground between permanent banishment and full reinstatement.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brown’s story is a rare victory. It proves that even in an age of automated blacklists, old-fashioned human persistence can still win the day. But you have to be willing to show up, look them in the eye, and make your case.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Most people won&#8217;t do that. They&#8217;ll just rent from the competition. And honestly, that might be the easiest thing to do.</p>



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'0'		data-redirect-check = '0'        data-url-href = ''		data-href = ''		data-delay = '0'		data-id = '441'		data-res-rgba = '1'		data-percent-color = '#999A9C'        data-enable-top-animation = ''        data-top-animation-scroll = '100'        data-result-view = 'standart'        data-enable-social-links=''        data-avg=		><span class='ays_poll_passed_count'><i class='ays_poll_fas ays_poll_fa-users' aria-hidden='true'></i> 415</span><div class='ays_poll_cb_and_a'></div><div class='apm-title-box'><div>Should rental car companies be required to tell you when you are put on a "Do Not Rent" list and let you dispute it?</div></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a60919771165 ays_question'></div><div class='ays-poll-id-6a60919771165 hideResults ays-poll-hide-result-box'></div><div class='apm-answers  '><input type='hidden' id='multivot_answer_count' value=''/>			                                        <div class='apm-choosing answer-ays-poll-id-6a60919771165 '>			                              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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What to know about car rental &#8220;Do Not Rent&#8221; lists</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">Rental car companies keep private blacklists that most customers know nothing about until they are turned away. Here is what travelers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is a &#8220;Do Not Rent&#8221; list?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It is a proprietary blacklist a rental car company uses to flag customers it will no longer do business with. If you land on one, you can be banned across every brand the company owns. The reasons range from unpaid bills and damage claims to disputes with staff.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can a rental car company ban you for life?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Yes. Companies can refuse to rent to you permanently, and in some cases restrictions have been set for extraordinarily long periods. A company generally has the right to decide who it does business with, so a lifetime ban is legally possible.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can I see or dispute what is on my rental file?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Generally, no. Unlike a credit report, you have no legal right to view a Do Not Rent file or formally dispute it. The Federal Trade Commission does not regulate these lists, companies are not required to give you a hearing, and they can simply decline your business.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why would an old issue only surface years later?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because the matching can be slow. Companies cross-reference details like names, birth dates, and license numbers, but a flagged record from years earlier may not connect to a new license right away. That lag means a customer can rent for a long time before an old flag suddenly reappears.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Will using a nickname or new profile get around a ban?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>No, and it can make things worse. Creating alternate profiles to get around a ban can turn a temporary restriction into a permanent one. As the matching algorithms improve, these workarounds are increasingly likely to be caught.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is there any way to get off a Do Not Rent list?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It is difficult, but not always impossible. Paying any money you owe, taking responsibility rather than making excuses, showing a record of responsible renting, and speaking in person with a risk manager can sometimes lead to a reconsideration. Any reinstatement may come with conditions.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What should I do if I think I have been banned unfairly?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Stay calm, document your rental history, and make your case directly to a decision-maker rather than through email alone. If the issue involves money owed, resolve that first. For more on these lists and how to approach them, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s consumer help resources</a>.</p></div></details>
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    Brown&#8217;s case sparked a real debate: whether companies should have to explain a ban, whether he truly owned his mistake, and a few practical puzzles readers could not stop poking at.
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      A company&#8217;s right to ban, and the disclosure debate
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      <strong>George Schulman</strong> and <strong>Tim</strong> both argued a company is generally free to decide who it does business with, and warned that forcing companies to explain every ban could invite lawsuits, arguments, and attempts to game the system, though Tim still voted for notification. <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> pushed the other way, calling out the lack of transparency when a ban does not even appear in the company&#8217;s own system, and arguing it should have been forgiven far sooner.
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      Did he own it, and was a decade enough?
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      <strong>Skp2MyLou</strong> was of two minds, crediting the years of clean rentals but wishing for a clearer apology. <strong>Joe</strong> and <strong>LeeAnneClark</strong> pushed back, arguing that explaining why you behaved badly is not the same as dodging responsibility, and that a risk manager would not have lifted the ban otherwise. <strong>KennyG</strong> clarified the trigger for readers: not one late return, but the fake profiles created afterward to keep renting while already banned.
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      The practical puzzles: loyalty, shared lists, and 50 rentals
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      <strong>GradUT</strong> wondered why Brown stayed loyal to Enterprise at all, and <strong>S1624</strong> offered a likely answer: state employees often must use a contracted vendor to get reimbursed. <strong>Kathleen Matlock</strong> asked whether rental companies share blacklists, a fair worry given that a single company&#8217;s brands all honor the same ban. And when <strong>Ben</strong> asked why anyone renting 50 cars a year does not just buy one, <strong>Marty Biscan</strong> and <strong>LeeAnneClark</strong> pointed out the obvious: he was flying for work and renting at each destination.
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		<title>Self-service fatigue hits travel: Why are we having a DIY backlash?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[DIY TRAVEL]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Help-1-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a weary traveler standing with a red suitcase beside a self-service check-in kiosk while three uniformed airport employees nearby chat among themselves and ignore her." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Help-1-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Help-1-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Help-1-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Help-1-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/No-Help-1.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Judy Williams stood in two lines at the airport just to drop a single checked bag, and then the machine rejected it, again and again. The real insult was not the glitchy kiosk. It was the three employees standing nearby, chatting and hugging, who did not lift a finger to help. That small scene is the reality of do-it-yourself travel: you do the unpaid work, and when the system fails, you are on your own. Across the industry, more of travel's routine tasks have been handed to the traveler, the app check-in, the self-tagged bag, the help center that loops without ever reaching a person, and the convenience can start to feel like something closer to abandonment. Self-service technology, one customer-experience expert notes, was never meant to replace human support. It was meant to enhance it. In travel, the gap between that intention and the reality keeps widening.]]></description>
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        <li>A traveler stood in two lines to drop one checked bag, fought a kiosk that kept rejecting it, and watched three nearby employees chat and hug rather than help. It is a small scene that captures a bigger shift: the unpaid work of do-it-yourself travel, and being left on your own when the machine fails.</li>
        <li>From frozen check-in apps to help centers that loop endlessly, more of travel&#8217;s routine tasks have been handed to the traveler, and the piece asks why a system sold as convenience so often feels like abandonment when something breaks.</li>
        <li>There is a reason companies keep pushing the DIY button, and there is a case that they are trading something valuable to do it. The commentary lays out both, and what a traveler can actually do about self-service fatigue, without pretending the counter line is always the easy answer.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph">Judy Williams’ recent flight from Seattle to Billings, Mont., was a painful lesson in self-service fatigue. She stood in two lines at the airport to drop a single checked bag. Then the machine rejected it — again and again.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The insult wasn&#8217;t the glitchy kiosk. It was the three employees nearby who ignored her.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;They were engaged in a personal conversation and hugging,&#8221; says Williams, an attorney from Billings.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s the reality of DIY travel: You do the unpaid work. When the system fails, you&#8217;re on your own.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Williams finally got the machine to ingest her luggage. She complained.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;They apologized,&#8221; she says. &#8220;Big deal.&#8221;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But it<em> is</em> a big deal.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-emotional-labor-of-diy-travel" class="wp-block-heading">The emotional labor of DIY travel</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Self-service technology was never meant to replace human support,&#8221; says Mario Matulich, president of the Customer Management Practice, a consulting firm. &#8220;It was meant to enhance it. But in travel, we’re seeing a widening gap between the intention and the reality.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matulich says when you are already stressed by delays and weather, every extra task becomes emotional labor.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Failed, insufficient, or ineffective self-service causes fatigue,&#8221; Matulich told me. &#8220;At a certain point, that convenience starts to feel like abandonment.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As travel gets more stressful, &#8220;our cognitive load can easily become overwhelmed,&#8221; says Thomas Plante, a psychology professor at Santa Clara University.&nbsp;</p>



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    <p>For those of us who are comfortable with technology (I count myself in that group, and do realize that there are others who do not), self service options can be a great time saver. I remember the old days of standing in line for long periods at the airport to obtain a boarding pass; nowadays I check in on the airline app and head directly to security when I arrive at the airport. I rarely check a bag, but if I do, I have no problem using the self service machines.</p>
    <p>If you want to stand in line to wait for (and perhaps pay for) a human, that is your choice of course, but technology is the future, and people should be encouraged to embrace it wherever they can.</p>
    <p>Same at the supermarket, I am the one breezing through the self checkout, not waiting in the long line for a manned checkout.</p>
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<h2 id="h-when-the-app-freezes-you-re-stranded" class="wp-block-heading">When the app freezes, you&#8217;re stranded</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If the technology works, fine. But when it fails and no human is there to save you, you&#8217;re out of luck.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Joachim Rodriguez y Romero recently downloaded his airline&#8217;s app to check in early. But when he tried, the screen froze.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;It gave me a non-specific error message,&#8221; says Romero, an artist who lives in Passau, Germany. &#8220;I lost the ability to secure a suitable seat, and I was afraid I might not be able to board.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">His fears weren&#8217;t entirely unjustified. His airline allowed him to board — after he paid a $35 fee for using a human to check in.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The staff did not respond to my claim that the mobile app had a glitch,&#8221; he says,</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Justin Robbins, a customer experience analyst, recently hit a similar wall with Uber. After finding a duplicate tip charge, he tried to resolve it on the app.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The help center looped endlessly,&#8221; he says. &#8220;When the self-service broke, the system transferred responsibility without providing a solution.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Uber eventually told him it couldn&#8217;t connect him to a human.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One task encapsulates this new world of unpaid labor: the self-service baggage tag.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Forget the existential dread of a cancelled flight; nothing prepares you for the cognitive load of a thin, adhesive strip of paper. You stand in the terminal, the clock ticking, staring at a paper-folding puzzle. Which end peels? Which side faces out? Why is the bar code sticking to my thumb?&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It’s a moment of low-stakes panic that raises your blood pressure. A process meant for efficiency has outsourced a five-second human task into two minutes of uncompensated agony.</p>



<h2 id="h-why-are-they-doing-this-to-us" class="wp-block-heading">Why are they doing this to us?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If travelers hate this, why do companies keep pushing the &#8220;DIY&#8221; button?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Money. Always follow the money,&#8221; says Christine Landis, a former fintech CEO and frequent traveler. &#8220;People are the most expensive line item on a P&amp;L. Cut your reliance on people and you typically make more money.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is a margin play. But experts warn that companies are trading long-term loyalty for short-term savings.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The risk isn&#8217;t just fatigue,&#8221; says Geoff Ryskamp, an executive advisor for hospitality at the customer experience systems company Medallia. &#8220;It&#8217;s losing customers. Forty percent of customers who encounter an issue on a website or app that they can&#8217;t resolve during a purchase will just switch to a competitor.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It isn&#8217;t always greed. When I checked into a Fiji resort, a cheerful associate directed me to download the hotel&#8217;s app. I installed it and never used it. Why does a hotel need an app when its keys are attached to large river rocks?&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Later, I checked into a rival resort on the other side of the island. It also had an app, but there, everything was automated— a DIY arms race.</p>



<h2 id="h-how-to-beat-self-service-fatigue" class="wp-block-heading">How to beat self-service fatigue</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Hire a pro.</strong> Pay a travel advisor. As Amy Siegal notes, &#8220;you want to be a passenger, not a planner.&#8221; An agent can help you bypass at least some of the DIY nonsense.</li>
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<li><strong>Refuse to play. </strong>Do what Patricia Haubner of Vermont does: Refuse to use the apps. Go to the counter. Make a human check you in. (It may cost extra, but it might be worth it.)&nbsp;</li>
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<li><strong>Vote with your wallet.</strong> Walk away from bad self-service. Switch to full-service airlines like Emirates or fly Southwest for human interaction without the price tag.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“I think self-service fatigue from the traveler comes back to one key point,&#8221; says Jacqueline Dobson, President of <a href="http://vacation.com">The Vacation Group</a>. &#8220;As much as convenience in travel is key, people ultimately want to be served by a real person.&#8221;</p>



<h2 id="h-fine-make-us-do-it-ourselves-but" class="wp-block-heading">Fine, make us do it ourselves, but …</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the deal: If you force me to download an app and check my own luggage, you&#8217;re asking me to do <em>your </em>job. So pay me. If I save the airline an employee&#8217;s salary, give me a cheaper ticket.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Until then, I’ll be the guy standing at the counter, waiting for a human. And if I see them hugging instead of helping, you can bet I’ll have something to say about it.</p>



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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What to know about self-service fatigue in travel</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">As airlines, hotels, and apps push more tasks onto travelers, the do-it-yourself experience can wear people down. Here is what travelers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is self-service fatigue?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It is the exhaustion and frustration that build up when travelers are asked to do more and more tasks themselves, from checking in on an app to tagging their own bags, often with little or no human help when something goes wrong. Experts describe it as convenience that starts to feel like abandonment once the technology fails.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why do travel companies push self-service?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Mainly cost. Staff are one of the most expensive items on a company&#8217;s books, so shifting work to travelers through kiosks and apps can lower expenses and raise margins. Critics argue this trades long-term customer loyalty for short-term savings.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What happens when the technology fails and no one helps?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Travelers can be left stranded. People have reported frozen check-in apps, kiosks that reject bags, and help centers that loop endlessly without reaching a human. In some cases a traveler ends up paying an extra fee for human help, even when a company&#8217;s own app was the thing that glitched.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can I be charged for using a human instead of the app?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Sometimes, yes. Some airlines charge a fee for checking in at the counter rather than online or through the app. That can feel especially unfair when the app failed in the first place, so it is worth documenting any glitch in case you want to dispute the charge.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How can I reduce self-service fatigue when I travel?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>A few strategies help: use a travel advisor so you can be a passenger rather than a planner, go to the counter for a human when it matters even if it costs a little more, and favor companies known for real human service. Documenting failures also helps if you need to complain or dispute a fee.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Does self-service fatigue actually cost companies customers?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Experts say it can. Customer-experience specialists warn that a meaningful share of customers who hit an unresolved problem on a website or app during a purchase will simply switch to a competitor, which means poor self-service is not just annoying, it can drive people away.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is all travel automation bad?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>No. Self-service technology can genuinely speed things up when it works and when human help is still available as a backup. The problem is not automation itself but automation that removes the human option entirely, so travelers have nowhere to turn when it fails. For more consumer travel guidance, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/on-travel/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s travel coverage</a>.</p></div></details>
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    This one split the room. Some readers love the time they save with self-service, others resent doing the company&#8217;s work for free, and plenty pointed out that the technology fails just often enough to prove the article&#8217;s point.
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      Team self-service: it saves real time
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      <strong>Marty Biscan</strong> says self-checkout is almost always faster and his time has worth, so he gladly uses it. <strong>Tim</strong> sees kiosks as a way to hold down future costs and urges everyone to check in through the airline app 24 hours ahead so problems surface with time to fix them. <strong>Stephanus Surjaputra</strong> notes travelers may not get a choice anyway, pointing to Japan&#8217;s heavily automated Henn na Hotel, a view echoed by fans of Europe&#8217;s app-based hotel check-ins.
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      Why should I do the company&#8217;s job for free?
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      <strong>KJ</strong> is fine with app check-in but resents scanning and bagging groceries so a retailer can profit off an employee&#8217;s job. <strong>SusanV</strong> draws a hard line at self-checkout, only half-joking that she would consider it for an employee discount, and will leave a store with no cashier. <strong>Joe X</strong> and <strong>KanExplore</strong> debated the deeper trick: airlines keep base fares rock-bottom to win the search, so unbundling feels like a penalty rather than a discount. <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> values checking a bag with a human as a paid business-class perk, not a freebie.
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      When the machine fails, the humans are gone
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      <strong>Ron</strong> described a Southwest meltdown at Orlando where both the app and the kiosk errored out and the help line ran nearly two hours, with a fellow traveler almost missing his flight. <strong>George Schulman</strong> is tired of machines that scold him or ring up the wrong price, forcing the very human interaction he was trying to skip. On the brighter side, <strong>StAugustine</strong> and others praised United and Delta agents who step in at the kiosk to tag bags and help, while <strong>Trvlingrl</strong> won the thread with a self-tag disaster that ended in an impromptu, and apparently decent, airport haircut.
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="226" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/CEO-300x226.jpg" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Danielle Shanahan, Zealandia’s CEO, shows a visitor the innovative fence surrounding the ecosanctuary in Wellington, New Zealand." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/CEO-300x226.jpg 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/CEO-1063x800.jpg 1063w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/CEO-150x113.jpg 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/CEO-768x578.jpg 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/CEO-1536x1157.jpg 1536w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/CEO-2048x1542.jpg 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>A single mouse once redefined the borders of Zealandia. Researchers testing prototype fencing watched a rodent wrap its tail around a screw, swing its body, and haul itself over the top, a feat of gymnastics that helped engineers design the 5.3-mile barrier that now encircles this 556-acre valley above Wellington, New Zealand. Its team calls it the world's first fully fenced urban ecosanctuary, an attempt to turn back the clock to a time before mammals ever reached these islands. For more than a century the valley supplied the capital's drinking water, and before that it was scarred by failed gold mines and stripped for farmland. Now it is something stranger: a place where rare native birds and a reptile from the age of dinosaurs are returning, just a short cab ride from the city's best coffee shops. But the sanctuary sits directly on a major fault line, and the woman who runs it is working toward a 500-year plan she knows she will never see completed.]]></description>
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        <li>Just above Wellington, New Zealand, a 556-acre valley has been wrapped in a 5.3-mile predator-proof fence, an experiment its team calls the world&#8217;s first fully fenced urban ecosanctuary, built to rewind the clock to a time before mammals ever reached these islands.</li>
        <li>New Zealand&#8217;s wildlife evolved with almost no land mammals, which left it defenseless when people introduced them. Restoring the valley meant a years-long effort to clear out every last introduced predator, a story stranger and more determined than you might expect.</li>
        <li>The sanctuary sits directly on a major fault line, and its CEO is working to a 500-year plan she knows she will never see finished, raising a question worth sitting with: what does it actually take to bring a wild place back, and why try on a timescale longer than a human life?</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A single mouse redefined the borders of Zealandia, a 556-acre ecosanctuary in Wellington, New Zealand.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Researchers testing prototype fencing watched a clever rodent wrap its tail around a screw, swing its body and pull itself over the top. Decades ago, that display of gymnastics helped engineers fine-tune the 5.3-mile engineering marvel that now encircles <a href="https://www.visitzealandia.com/">Zealandia</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Today, a fine-mesh fortress topped with a curved steel top protects Zealandia, a design proven to repel even the most athletic intruder.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The story about how it was built is just mind-blowing,&#8221; says Danielle Shanahan, Zealandia’s CEO.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-world-s-first-fully-fenced-sanctuary" class="wp-block-heading">The world&#8217;s first fully-fenced sanctuary</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This experiment—the world’s first fully fenced urban ecosanctuary—is an attempt to turn back the clock to a time before mammals arrived.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For more than a century, the valley just above New Zealand&#8217;s capital supplied the city&#8217;s drinking water. Before that, the land was scarred by unsuccessful gold mines and stripped for farmland, leaving the slopes bare. It was a place managed by civil engineers that accidentally preserved a pocket of land long enough for a bigger vision to take root.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Zealandia opened 26 years ago. For the roughly 140,000 visitors who trek to the sanctuary annually, it offers a surreal dislocation: the chance to spot a dinosaur-era <em>Tuatara</em> reptile or a flightless kiwi just a short cab ride from the city’s best coffee shops.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But for the scientists involved, the fence represents more than a way to protect one of the region&#8217;s biggest tourist attractions. It&#8217;s also a line in the sand, evidence that if you build a wall strong enough, the wild will return.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Wero, a German shorthaired pointer tracking dog, with his handler Brad Windust. The pair search for signs of unwanted stoats and weasels in Zealandia. (Scott Langdale</em>)</p>



<h2 id="h-the-purge" class="wp-block-heading">The purge</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Getting here required a complete eradication of 15 different mammalian predators introduced by people. New Zealand’s wildlife evolved in the absence of mammals, with only two species – bats and seals – native to the island nation. This means they are particularly susceptible to predation and the browsing habits of introduced mammals.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The eradication efforts included fish. Shanahan, who ran the eradication project before becoming CEO, helped drain the lower lake by 20 feet, turning the floor into a gray moonscape to remove invasive perch.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They applied Rotenone, a toxin derived from the roots of a South American tree, which stops fish from metabolizing oxygen.&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;It’s like applying a nuclear bomb,&#8221; Shanahan explains, recalling the intensity of the process. But nature is efficient; within hours, seabirds moved in to clean up the dead fish, and within a day, the lakebed was clear.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Conservationists carried out a tactical battle on land to clear out thousands of possums and rats, goats, deer, stoats, and eventually one final hedgehog, nicknamed Colonel Custer, who held out alone in the bush avoiding traps until he was finally caught.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-soundscape-has-completely-changed" class="wp-block-heading">&#8220;The soundscape has completely changed&#8221;</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Inside the perimeter, the din of the big city gives way to a prehistoric soundtrack.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Shanahan grew up in the region and recalls seeing perhaps 20 <em>Tūī</em>, or parson birds, in her entire childhood. Today, the valley is teeming with them. The air is thick with the complex, bell-like melodies of the<em> Tūī</em> and the screech of the <em>Kākā,</em> a large, olive-brown forest parrot with flashes of crimson under its wings that was once completely gone from the region.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The soundscape has completely changed,&#8221; she says.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s a sensory assault that signals the health of the forest. The birds have become so boisterous that they now chase mallard ducks, a behavior the staff watches with amusement.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Volunteers patrol the perimeter with military precision. The 7-foot-tall fence has a skirt that also extends horizontally underground. Rabbits will dig to the fence line, hit the skirt, and stop, lacking the intelligence to back up and try again. When a breach is suspected—perhaps a tunnel rotted out by old pine roots—Shanahan calls in the cavalry. Specialized conservation dogs, trained to ignore native birds and fixate on the scent of rodents or stoats, sweep the valley before it can establish a foothold.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Silver Fern, also known as Mamaku, is a common feature of New Zealand indigenous forests. (Aren Elliott</em>)</p>



<h2 id="h-faking-ancient-history" class="wp-block-heading">Faking ancient history</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The sanctuary still requires human intervention. Because the forest is regenerating from cleared farmland, many of the trees are only about 30 years old—too young to have the natural hollows birds need for nesting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We&#8217;re working to re-indigenize the space,&#8221; Shanahan explains.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In some areas that involves drilling holes or simulating storm breaks to invite rot, fungi, and insects, in the non-native pine trees. It&#8217;s a necessary paradox: vandalize nature to accelerate its wildness, forcing the young forest to act like an ancient one. Until the trees catch up, the staff maintains about 60 nest boxes to support the breeding populations.</p>



<h2 id="h-the-miracle-chick" class="wp-block-heading">The miracle chick</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The safety of the valley allows for biological anomalies that would be impossible elsewhere. The <em>Takahē</em>, a flightless, prehistoric-looking swamp hen once thought extinct, wanders the tracks near the lake. The birds are large, vividly blue and green, with beaks that look like a pair of red pliers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Recently, the sanctuary witnessed the birth of what it called a &#8220;miracle&#8221; chick. A pair of resident <em>Takahē</em>, thought to be too old or infertile to breed, suddenly produced an offspring.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;No one expected it,&#8221; says Shanahan.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another prehistoric resident is the <em>Tuatara</em>. Often mistaken for a lizard, it is actually the last surviving species of a distinct order of reptiles that walked the earth with dinosaurs.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;It&#8217;s the only one of its kind in the world,&#8221; says Shanahan.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These creatures, with their spiny backs and slow metabolisms, bask in the sun, living artifacts of a world that existed before mammals evolved.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Kākā parrot sitting in a tree branch at Zealandia, an ecosanctuary in Wellington, New Zealand. (Aren Elliott</em>)</p>



<h2 id="h-the-urban-spillover" class="wp-block-heading">The urban spillover</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The wall works so well that Zealandia has become a pump, pushing rare species out into the capital. The kākā parrots have multiplied so successfully—starting from just 14 birds—that they now fly over the fence into the suburbs.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;You can see them in the tree opposite Parliament,&#8221; Shanahan says. But this migration exposes them to a new danger: urban affection. Well-meaning residents often feed the charismatic parrots seeds and nuts, human foods that cause metabolic bone disease. The birds become &#8220;junk food junkies,&#8221; according to Shanahan, suffering from nutritional deficiencies because they are too loved by their human neighbors.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Her vision is a city where the fence is eventually obsolete. She is currently advocating for a cultural shift in pet ownership, pushing for a future where domestic cats are kept safe at home. It’s a challenge for a nation of pet lovers that is used to roaming cats, but she draws a parallel to dogs.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We keep our dogs on leashes, and close within our care&#8221; she says. &#8220;I think that’s the pathway that we’re on for cats as well.&#8221;</p>



<h2 id="h-in-wellington-a-human-prescription" class="wp-block-heading">In Wellington, a human prescription</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The restoration of the valley is not just for the wildlife. Shanahan, who also researches the connection between nature and human health, views the sanctuary as a medical necessity. Her research suggests there&#8217;s a minimum dose of nature required to reduce blood pressure, anxiety, and stress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;You don&#8217;t even need to go into the most natural of environments,&#8221; she says. &#8220;Just a simple urban green space can help.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For the 550 volunteers who check the fence and traplines, monitor the birds, weed, plant, maintain the tails and bridges, help with after-hours tours, share information with visitors and a host of other invaluable tasks,&nbsp; the sanctuary is a place of optimism in a world of bad news. It is a place where tangible progress can be measured in the volume of birdsong.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Perspective of the valve tower at the Karori reservoir dam. (Aren Elliott</em>)</p>



<h2 id="h-a-500-year-plan" class="wp-block-heading">A 500-year plan</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Despite the visible success, the sanctuary sits on precarious ground. Shanahan surveys the earth dam, looking across the water.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We&#8217;re standing on one of New Zealand&#8217;s major faults right now,&#8221; she points out. The Wellington fault line runs directly through the lower lake.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If a massive earthquake were to strike, the fence could be compromised, and the 5.3-mile barrier that keeps the predators out could fall.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yet, Shanahan operates on a timescale that dwarfs seismic cycles. She works toward a 500-year plan. That is the time required for the original canopy of rimu (red pine) and rātā (a massive flowering tree) to return to its full glory. She knows she will not see the end result. She is merely one of the architects of the beginning.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;We can do really difficult things if we have a bit of vision,&#8221; she says.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Above her, a kākā launches itself from a pine tree. It ignores the engineering of the fence, crossing the perimeter without a glance, flying toward the city skyline. The mesh may stop the mice, but these birds are the real owners of Zealandia.</p>



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    <li>Would you go out of your way on a trip to visit a fenced sanctuary like this, or do barriers and managed nature take away from the experience of the wild?</li>
    <li>Should cities follow Wellington&#8217;s lead and ask residents to keep pet cats indoors to protect native birds, or is that asking too much of pet owners?</li>
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  <p class="faq-intro">Zealandia is one of Wellington&#8217;s most unusual attractions, a fully fenced valley where rare native wildlife has returned. Here is what travelers ask most.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is Zealandia and where is it?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Zealandia is a 556-acre fenced ecosanctuary in a valley just above Wellington, New Zealand&#8217;s capital, a short cab ride from the city center. Its team describes it as the world&#8217;s first fully fenced urban ecosanctuary, surrounded by a 5.3-mile predator-proof fence designed to keep introduced mammals out and let native species recover.</p></div></details>

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    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Visitors may spot the tuatara, a reptile that is the last survivor of an order that lived alongside the dinosaurs, along with the flightless kiwi and takahe, and forest parrots like the kaka. The valley is also alive with the bell-like song of the tui. Sightings are never guaranteed, since these are wild animals in a large natural space.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why does Zealandia need a fence?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>New Zealand&#8217;s native wildlife evolved with almost no land mammals, so it is unusually vulnerable to introduced predators like rats, stoats, and possums. The fence, with a curved steel top and an underground skirt, is engineered to block even agile climbers and diggers, creating a safe zone where native species can breed and spread.</p></div></details>

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    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Plan for at least a couple of hours to walk the tracks around the lake and through the regenerating forest, and longer if you want a guided or after-hours tour, when some of the more elusive nocturnal species are active. Comfortable walking shoes and weather-appropriate layers are wise, since the terrain is a working valley, not a manicured park.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can you see Zealandia&#8217;s wildlife outside the fence in Wellington?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Yes. The sanctuary has been so successful that some species now fly beyond the fence into the city, and certain forest parrots can be spotted in Wellington&#8217;s trees. If you encounter them, do not feed them: human foods like seeds and nuts can cause serious health problems for these birds.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Is Zealandia good for families and casual visitors?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Yes. It offers an accessible way to experience rare New Zealand wildlife close to a major city, which makes it popular with families, birdwatchers, and travelers who want nature without a long trek into the backcountry. Roughly 140,000 people visit each year.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>How does a visit support conservation?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Zealandia is run as a long-term restoration project, supported by hundreds of volunteers and by visitors. Touring the sanctuary helps fund the ongoing work of maintaining the fence, monitoring wildlife, and replanting native forest. For more travel features like this, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/destinations/" rel="noopener">Elliott Advocacy&#8217;s destination coverage</a>.</p></div></details>
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    The story struck a chord with travelers who know Wellington and now want to see the sanctuary for themselves.
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      <strong>Polly</strong> called it a wonderful article, noting she has been to Wellington but never made it to Zealandia, and plans to visit if she gets back. <strong>KanExplore</strong> agreed, adding that Wellington is a cool destination in its own right and that the sanctuary is now on the list for a return trip.
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		<title>Sears left me without a refrigerator for six months—how do I fix this?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Sears-Promised-a-Replacement-Fridge-—-Then-Left-Her-Waiting-6-Months-300x200.jpg" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of an exasperated woman in an apron standing hands-on-hips in her kitchen beside her wide-eyed cat, both staring at a green refrigerator with a taped-on &quot;OUT OF ORDER&quot; sign." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Sears-Promised-a-Replacement-Fridge-—-Then-Left-Her-Waiting-6-Months-300x200.jpg 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Sears-Promised-a-Replacement-Fridge-—-Then-Left-Her-Waiting-6-Months-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Sears-Promised-a-Replacement-Fridge-—-Then-Left-Her-Waiting-6-Months-150x100.jpg 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Sears-Promised-a-Replacement-Fridge-—-Then-Left-Her-Waiting-6-Months-768x512.jpg 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Sears-Promised-a-Replacement-Fridge-—-Then-Left-Her-Waiting-6-Months.jpg 1536w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>Karen Plaskon's refrigerator died in February. That should not have been a crisis, because she had paid for a Sears Master Protection Agreement, the whole point of which is to make a failure like this someone else's problem. Sears approved a replacement in April. Then the real ordeal began. The Frigidaire she ordered was canceled over delivery delays. Sears suggested a GE model in June. That one did not show up either. She spent hours on the phone, shuffled between departments that blamed vague "manufacturing delays," while retailers like Costco were delivering refrigerators in days. Years earlier, Sears had settled a similar problem by simply cutting her a check. This time, it said that option no longer existed. Six months in, she still had no working refrigerator and no clear answer, just the question of what a protection plan is actually worth when the company that sold it decides to stall.]]></description>
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        <li>Karen Plaskon&#8217;s refrigerator failed in February, and her Sears Master Protection Agreement, the plan she had paid for, entitled her to a replacement. Sears approved one in April.</li>
        <li>Then came the runaround. The Frigidaire she ordered was canceled over delivery delays, Sears recommended a GE model in June, and that did not arrive either. Months of calls were met with shuffled departments and &#8220;manufacturing delays.&#8221;</li>
        <li>Sears had once resolved a similar problem with a cash payout but now said that option was gone, which raises a hard question about what a protection agreement is worth when a company stalls for half a year.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><em>Karen Plaskon’s refrigerator breaks under her Sears Master Protection Agreement, and Sears approves a replacement. But after months of delays, canceled orders, and endless excuses, she’s still without a working fridge. Can a consumer advocate end her six-month wait for a resolution?&nbsp;</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I’ve been without a refrigerator for six months despite paying for a Sears Master Protection Agreement. My fridge failed in February, and Sears approved a replacement in April. I ordered a Frigidaire, but delivery delays led Sears to cancel it and recommend a GE model in June. I’m still waiting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A few years ago, Sears resolved a similar issue by giving me a cash payout. This time, they claim they no longer offer that option. I’ve spent hours on calls, getting shuffled between departments blaming &#8220;manufacturing delays.&#8221; Meanwhile, retailers like Costco deliver fridges in days.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Sears’ runaround has left me exhausted. How can I get them to honor their agreement? &#8212; <strong>Karen Plaskon</strong>, <em>Grants Pass, Ore.&nbsp;</em></p>



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    <p>I had a similar problem with the Sears whole house warranty. My water heater failed and I used the warranty to get a new one. However, the store that was supposed to deliver and install it had to wait a week before Sears approved the replacement. Needless to say, I didn&#8217;t get the warranty when I moved.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Sears should have honored your protection agreement promptly. Its own precedent shows cash payouts are possible under the plan. While Sears isn’t legally required to offer refunds, its refusal to resolve delays violates the implied covenant of good faith in service contracts.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Stringing you along for half a year is unacceptable. Sears has a track record of doing the right thing &#8212; eventually. In fairness, all the back-and-forth between you and Sears left me with a little whiplash.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You did the right thing by documenting calls and escalating to executives, confusing as it may have been. In cases like this, a paper trail is critical. Always follow up phone calls with emails summarizing discussions. If a company stalls, an appeal to executive contacts can help. I publish the names, numbers and email addresses of the <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/sears-customer-service-contacts/">Sears executives</a> on my consumer advocacy site, <a href="http://elliott.org">Elliott.org</a>. I think you were more than patient with Sears.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I would have spent a little less time on the phone and more time writing. A paper trail is essential when a company like Sears stalls on a delivery. Also, I would have appealed this to the executives much sooner. Six months is way too long to wait.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I contacted Sears on your behalf. A representative reviewed your case and agreed to cancel your order and give you a full refund. Now you can buy the refrigerator you want from Costco, or any other store that will deliver your appliance quicker.</p>


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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What you need to know about appliance protection plans and stalled claims</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">When a protection plan approves a replacement but never delivers, you have ways to push for a resolution. Here is what consumers should understand. This is general information, not legal advice.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is a Sears Master Protection Agreement?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It is an extended service plan that covers repair or replacement of a covered appliance. When a covered item fails and cannot be repaired, the plan can authorize a replacement. How quickly that replacement actually arrives, and whether a cash option is offered, is where disputes often arise.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can a company cancel an approved replacement order?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It can, often citing supply or &#8220;manufacturing delays,&#8221; and then propose a different model. The problem for consumers is that each cancellation can restart the clock. If the company cannot deliver an approved replacement promptly, it is reasonable to ask for an equivalent option or a refund.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Does a protection plan have to offer a cash payout?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Not necessarily. A plan is generally not legally required to offer a cash refund instead of a replacement unless its terms say so. That said, if the company has resolved similar claims with a cash payout before, that precedent is worth raising, since it shows the option exists under the plan.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What recourse do I have if the company just stalls?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Document everything in writing, cite any past precedent, and escalate to executives rather than staying with frontline agents. Many service contracts carry an implied expectation of good faith, so a company that strings you out for months is acting against the spirit of the agreement, which strengthens your case for a refund or fast replacement.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why is a written paper trail so important?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because phone calls are hard to prove and easy to contradict. Following up each call with an email that summarizes what was said and agreed creates a record you can point to later. When a company gives an illogical answer, keep pressing for a logical one in writing.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>When should I escalate to an executive?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Sooner than most people do. Spending months bouncing between departments rarely works. If a claim is approved but not delivered within a reasonable time, a documented appeal to a named executive contact is often what finally moves it.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What can I do while I wait for a resolution?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>If the company keeps stalling, consider asking for a refund so you can buy the appliance elsewhere from a retailer that delivers quickly. Going without an essential appliance for months is not a reasonable outcome under a paid plan. For help with a specific dispute, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/problem-solved/" rel="noopener">how the Problem Solved column helps consumers</a>.</p></div></details>
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		<title>My wife&#8217;s airline ticket vanished, then Hawaiian Airlines charged me an extra $575</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[The Travel Troubleshooter]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AIRLINE CUSTOMER SERVICE]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[AIRLINE REFUND]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CONFIRMED RESERVATION]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[CONSUMER PROTECTION]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[DOT COMPLAINT]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ELLIOTT ADVOCACY]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[EXECUTIVE CONTACTS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[FIRST CLASS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[HAWAIIAN AIRLINES]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[PAPER TRAIL]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[passenger rights]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[REBOOKING FEE]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[TICKETING ERROR]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[TRAVEL TROUBLESHOOTER]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[VOIDED TICKET]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div><img width="300" height="200" src="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Imagine-Ticket-300x200.png" class="attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image" alt="Cartoon of a distressed woman at an airport with a red suitcase, reaching toward her boarding pass as it floats away in a glowing puff, vanishing from her hands." style="margin-bottom: 15px;" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Imagine-Ticket-300x200.png 300w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Imagine-Ticket-1200x800.png 1200w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Imagine-Ticket-150x100.png 150w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Imagine-Ticket-768x512.png 768w, https://www.elliott.org/wp-content/uploads/Imagine-Ticket.png 1248w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></div>James Phillips did everything by the book. He booked two first-class, round-trip tickets through the Hawaiian Airlines app, one for himself and one for his wife Linda, purchased one after the other on the same credit card. Within minutes, he had written confirmations for both. Then they got to the Honolulu airport. The agent told him his ticket was fine, but Linda's, confirmed and paid for, had simply been voided. No one could say why. Her seat had already been sold to someone else. To get her on a later flight, Phillips had to buy a brand-new ticket that cost $575 more than the one he had already paid. The airline first hinted his card had been declined, then tried to pin it on a third-party booking channel he had never used, even though he booked directly and had the confirmation to prove it. Who should eat the cost of a mistake the passenger did not make, and what it took to get a straight answer, is where this case turns.]]></description>
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        <li>James Phillips booked two first-class tickets through the Hawaiian Airlines app for himself and his wife Linda, one after the other on the same card, and got written confirmations for both within minutes.</li>
        <li>At the Honolulu airport an agent said his ticket was fine, but Linda&#8217;s confirmed, paid-for ticket had been voided, with no explanation, and her seat already resold. To get her on a later flight, he had to buy a new ticket for $575 more than the one he had already paid for.</li>
        <li>The airline first hinted his card was declined, then blamed a third-party channel he never used, even though he booked direct and had the confirmation, which raises a pointed question about who pays when an airline&#8217;s own system cancels a ticket you did nothing to lose.</li>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph"><em>James Phillips books two tickets through the Hawaiian Airlines app for himself and his wife. But when they arrive at the airport, the airline says his wife&#8217;s confirmed, paid-for ticket has been voided. To get her on a flight, he has to pay an extra $575. Can he get his money back for an error he didn&#8217;t cause?</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I booked two first-class, round-trip tickets through the Hawaiian Airlines app for my wife, Linda, and me to travel from Honolulu to Haneda. I received written confirmations for both tickets almost immediately. Both were purchased, one after the other, using the same credit card.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When we arrived at the Honolulu airport, an agent told me that I had a ticket, but my wife’s had been voided.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No one could tell us why. Her seat had already been sold to someone else. The agent told us that to get my wife on a later flight, I would have to buy her a completely new ticket. The new ticket cost $575 more than the original I had already paid for. I was assured at the airport that I could contact the customer relations department for a refund.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hawaiian Airlines first insinuated that my credit card was declined. I have spoken at length with my credit card issuer, and it is adamant that it did not decline the charge for my wife&#8217;s ticket. (Why would it decline one ticket and not the other, purchased on the same card at the same time?)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then, Hawaiian tried to deflect blame to a third-party booking channel, even though I booked directly on its app and had the confirmation to prove it. In another email, a representative admitted our tickets were being treated as a Hawaiian Airlines direct booking.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Since neither I nor Chase took any action to void my wife&#8217;s ticket, the fault lies with Hawaiian. The airline should not be able to take advantage of its own mistake, hold me hostage in Honolulu, and force me to pay an additional $575. I only want reimbursement for the extra amount I was required to pay. Can you help? — <strong>James Phillips</strong>, <em>Kailua Kona, Hawaii</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hawaiian Airlines should have honored your wife’s confirmed ticket. Full stop.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When an airline&#8217;s system suffers a ticketing error — which this obviously was — it should have two immediate priorities. First, alert the passenger. Second, fix the problem at no cost to the customer.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What an airline should <em>not</em> do is void a confirmed reservation without notice, sell the seat to someone else, and then charge you a premium to get her on another flight.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The airline&#8217;s response to you was even worse. Blaming a nonexistent &#8220;third party&#8221; or, even more absurdly, your credit card, was a classic runaround.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You did exactly what I always recommend: You kept a meticulous paper trail. Your documentation was flawless. When a company gives you a nonsensical answer, you must continue to push for a logical one in writing — which you did.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When front-line customer service fails, the next step is to appeal to the executives. I publish the <a href="https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/hawaiian-airlines/">executive contacts for Hawaiian Airlines</a> and many other companies on my consumer advocacy site, Elliott.org.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Based on the correspondence you shared, it looked as if Hawaiian Airlines was doubling down on its mistake. So we took a two-pronged approach. My advocacy team and I decided to contact the airline on your behalf. We presented your clear documentation and asked for a review. You also filed a complaint with the Department of Transportation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That worked. I heard back from a senior resolution coordinator at Hawaiian Airlines, who apologized and admitted that the previous agent&#8217;s responses &#8220;did not provide a fair resolution,&#8221; adding that the agent was &#8220;coached regarding this case.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hawaiian Airlines admitted that its system canceled Linda&#8217;s ticket by mistake. It refunded the entire fare difference and issued both you and your wife each a $250 travel voucher.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is a textbook case of why you should never accept a company&#8217;s first &#8220;no,&#8221; especially when it defies logic.&nbsp;</p>



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  <p class="voice-matters-intro">A confirmed ticket disappeared, the seat was resold, and the passenger had to pay again to fly. The case raises broader questions about who bears the cost of an airline&#8217;s own error.</p>
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    <li>Should an airline be barred from charging you to rebook when its own system canceled a confirmed, paid-for ticket?</li>
    <li>Should an airline be required to notify you the moment a confirmed reservation is voided, rather than letting you find out at the airport?</li>
    <li>Should a carrier be prohibited from reselling your seat until it has confirmed in writing that your reservation was actually canceled?</li>
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  <h2 id="faq-heading">What you need to know when an airline voids a confirmed ticket</h2>
  <p class="faq-intro">When an airline cancels a confirmed, paid ticket through its own error, you have options, but you may have to fight for them. Here is what travelers should understand.</p>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What should an airline do when its system causes a ticketing error?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>When a ticketing error is the airline&#8217;s fault, it has two immediate responsibilities: alert the passenger, and fix the problem at no cost to the customer. What it should not do is void a confirmed reservation without notice, resell the seat, and then charge you a premium to rebook.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Can an airline charge me to rebook a ticket it canceled by mistake?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>It should not. If the cancellation was the airline&#8217;s error and you did nothing to cause it, being forced to buy a new, more expensive ticket is exactly the kind of charge worth disputing. Document what you paid originally and what you were charged to rebook.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What if the airline blames my credit card or a third party?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Verify and push back. If it claims your card was declined, ask your card issuer to confirm in writing whether it was, and note that a single card paying for two tickets at once would not logically decline only one. If it blames a third-party channel you did not use, point to your direct-booking confirmation.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Why does a paper trail matter so much?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Because it turns a he-said dispute into a documented one. Confirmations, receipts, and written exchanges let you show your ticket was confirmed and paid and that the error was not yours. When a company gives an illogical answer, keep pressing for a logical one in writing.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What can I do when frontline customer service won&#8217;t help?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Escalate. Take your documented case to a company executive, who often has more authority than a frontline agent to resolve it. A clear, concise written summary with your evidence attached tends to work best.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>Does filing a DOT complaint help?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>For a flight problem like this, a complaint to the U.S. Department of Transportation can add useful pressure alongside a direct appeal to the airline. A two-pronged approach, executive contact plus a regulatory complaint, signals that you are serious.</p></div></details>

  <details class="faq-item"><summary>What is the bigger lesson here?</summary>
    <div class="faq-answer"><p>Never automatically accept a company&#8217;s first no, especially when it defies logic. A confirmed, paid ticket is a contract, and a well-documented, persistent appeal to the right people can turn an unfair denial around. For help with a specific dispute, see <a href="https://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/" rel="noopener">how the Travel Troubleshooter helps consumers</a>.</p></div></details>
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    Readers traded tips for protecting a confirmed booking, debated whether buying two tickets separately caused the mess, and pointed to a bigger pattern behind the Alaska and Hawaiian merger.
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      Book direct, document everything, and book together
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      <strong>Gerri Hether</strong> books only on the airline&#8217;s own site, prints the confirmation and e-ticket number, checks the booking daily, and checks in as early as possible. <strong>George Schulman</strong> starts watching flight-tracking data a week out to catch patterns like a chronically late departure, and <strong>Skeptic</strong>, who flies the carrier often, now checks his account almost daily to get early warning of the next mistake. Several readers, including <strong>Kelly Red</strong>, urged booking both travelers in a single transaction to avoid trouble.
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      A merger meltdown, and a missing penalty
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      <strong>Dee Eagle</strong> and <strong>Skeptic</strong>, both frequent flyers based in Alaska, tie the episode to a troubled Alaska and Hawaiian merger, describing routine cancellations, bumps, and downgrades and pointing to similar complaints online. On the rules, <strong>AJPeabody</strong> and <strong>George Schulman</strong> asked the pointed question: when an airline voids a confirmed ticket on a sold-out flight, why does that not count as involuntary denied boarding, and where is the penalty?
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