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<description><![CDATA[<p>In Patch 5.4, now being tested, the <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/vale_of_eternal_blossoms.html" title="Fish Finder: Vale of Eternal Blossoms.">Vale of Eternal Blossoms</a> loses most of its water. Open water can only be found above and outside Guo-Lai Halls. There are no pools in the zone, so <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/jewel_danio_school.html" title="Fish Finder: Jewel Danio School.">Jewel Danio School</a> have disappeared. <abbr title="Updated 14 June 2013.">Update</abbr>: Mad Qao-Pao's <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish_of_day.html" title="Pools: Fish of the Day - Details the daily clustering of pools at specific locations in Pandaria.">Fish of the Day</a> event may still trigger, but no pools or anglers appear in the Vale. All this will make <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/jewel_danio.html" title="Fish Finder: Jewel Danio." class="nocolor" rel="item=74863">Jewel Danio</a> much harder to catch.</p>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/patch_5_2.html" title="MoP: Patch 5.2 - Describes changes to fishing and farming in patch 5.2.">Patch 5.2</a> is the biggest mid-expansion patch for anglers since <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/3_1_changes.html" title="3.1 Changes - Patch 3.1's changes to fishing, including new fishing poles and Wintergrasp.">3.1</a>. Fishing highlights:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/catching_tiny_carp.html" title="Valuable: Catching Tiny Carp - Guide to catching Tiny Blue, Green, Red and White Carp from the waters of Pandaria, including a list of locations, analysis of waters and catch rates, and strategies.">Catch Tiny Carp</a> minipets. Very rarely.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish_of_day.html" title="Pools: Fish of the Day - Details the daily clustering of pools at specific locations in Pandaria.">Fish of the Day</a> pool migrations in Pandaria.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/nat_pagle.html" title="Quests: Nat Pagle's Friendship - Guide to gaining Nat Pagle's friendship.">Pagle fish</a> are <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-pagle-rep-catch-changes.html" title="News: 5.2: Pagle Reputation and Catch Changes - News from 5 February 2013. Data and analysis showing patch 5.2's increased catch rates for fish that grant Nat Pagle's friendship.">at least twice as common</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-pandarian-junk-changes.html" title="News: 5.2: Pandarian Junk Changes - News from 26 January 2013. Explains how extra Golden Carp are caught with insufficient skill.">Excess Golden Carp</a> replace <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/junk.html" title="Start: (Not) Catching Junk - Explains why you might catch junk items, and how to avoid them.">junk</a> in Pandaria.</li>
</ul>
<p>For a description of all changes and additions, read <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/patch_5_2.html" title="MoP: Patch 5.2 - Describes changes to fishing and farming in patch 5.2.">Patch 5.2</a>.</p>]]></description>
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<title>5.2: Darkmoon Catches Vary by Skill</title>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:00:32 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Another variation to the role of fishing skill has emerged on <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/patch_5_2.html" title="MoP: Patch 5.2 - Describes changes to fishing and farming in patch 5.2.">Patch 5.2</a>'s <abbr title="Public Test Realm">PTR</abbr>, in addition to <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-pandarian-junk-changes.html" title="News: 5.2: Pandarian Junk Changes - News from 26 January 2013. Explains how extra Golden Carp are caught with insufficient skill.">Pandaria's junk changes</a>: On <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/darkmoon_island.html" title="Fish Finder: Darkmoon Island.">Darkmoon Island</a>, the entire set of fish caught is determined by your personal fishing skill. <abbr title="Updated 10 March 2003">Update</abbr>: This change <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/darkmoon_skill_tiers.html" title="Darkmoon Skill Tiers - Describes how personal fishing skill determines the set of fish you may catch from open water around Darkmoon Island.">did go live</a>. <!--more--></p>

<h3 id="context">Context: An Explanation of Catch Tiers</h3>

<p>Old Azeroth's open water catches are grouped into tiers. The <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/gazetteer.html" title="Gazetteer - This topic develops a simple gazetteer that shows which fish may be caught in which zones.">Gazetteer</a> identifies 6 specific Zone Groups - sets of zones with the same set of catches. Each Zone Group has separate coastal and inland catches. Two of those groups define their catch further, into <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/variation_by_time.html" title="Variation by Time - Explores how catch rates for fish vary by time of day.">four 6-hour time segments</a>. Many named fish appear in more than one zone group, typically with different catch rates in each group. Each Zone Group has the same <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/zone_base_fishing_skill.html" title="Zone Base Fishing Skill - Detailed analysis that attempts to answer the question, what fishing skill will I need to fish in a certain zone?">Zone Base Fishing Skill</a>. There are a few exceptions to this pattern, like <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/catching_deviate_fish.html" title="Catching Deviate Fish - How to catch Deviate Fish, which may be cooked to make Savory Deviate Delight.">Northern Barrens' Deviate Fish</a>, but generally Old Azeroth's open water catch adheres to these 6 tiered Zone Groups.</p>

<p>The new lands found in <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/the_burning_crusade.html" title="The Burning Crusade - Fishing changes in the first expansion.">The Burning Crusade</a>, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/wrath.html" title="Wrath of the Lich King - Fishing changes in Wrath of the Lich King, the second expansion to World of Warcraft.">Wrath of the Lich King</a>, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/cataclysm.html" title="Cataclysm - Preview of fishing changes in Cataclysm.">Cataclysm</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/mists_of_pandaria.html" title="Mists of Pandaria - Summarises fishing changes in Mists of Pandaria, the fourth expansion of World of Warcraft.">Mists of Pandaria</a> are organised slightly differently: Each expansion has one or two common trash fish, such as <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/golden_carp.html" title="Fish Finder: Golden Carp." class="nocolor" rel="item=74866">Golden Carp</a>, which can typically be caught in every zone in their respective expansion's waters. In addition to the common fish, individual zones, or sets of zones, have different <i>more valuable</i> fish in their open water. There is a strong correlation between these groups of catches and base fishing skill of their waters, as in Old Azeroth. There are exceptions, and a few quirks, such as <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/northrend.html" title="Fish Finder: Northrend.">Northrend</a>'s coastal fish only appearing in coastal waters named something other than the zone name. But generally expansion waters adhere to this principle.</p>

<p>Now, it happens that (almost) all coastal waters in each expansion contain precisely the same fish. So for coastal waters we can construct a simple 10-tier structure of catches, where the first 6 tiers are Old Azerothian Zone Groups, followed by a tier for each expansion. Only the most common catches are listed below:</p>

<ol>
<li>Zone Group 1: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_slitherskin_mackerel.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Slitherskin Mackerel." class="nocolor" rel="item=6303">Raw Slitherskin Mackerel</a></li>
<li>Zone Group 2: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_rainbow_fin_albacore.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore." class="nocolor" rel="item=6361">Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_slitherskin_mackerel.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Slitherskin Mackerel." class="nocolor" rel="item=6303">Raw Slitherskin Mackerel</a></li>
<li>Zone Group 3: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/oily_blackmouth.html" title="Fish Finder: Oily Blackmouth." class="nocolor" rel="item=6358">Oily Blackmouth</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_rainbow_fin_albacore.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore." class="nocolor" rel="item=6361">Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore</a></li>
<li>Zone Group 4: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_rockscale_cod.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Rockscale Cod." class="nocolor" rel="item=6362">Raw Rockscale Cod</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_spotted_yellowtail.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Spotted Yellowtail." class="nocolor" rel="item=4603">Raw Spotted Yellowtail</a></li>
<li>Zone Group 5: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_glossy_mightfish.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Glossy Mightfish." class="nocolor" rel="item=13754">Raw Glossy Mightfish</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_spotted_yellowtail.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Spotted Yellowtail." class="nocolor" rel="item=4603">Raw Spotted Yellowtail</a></li>
<li>Zone Group 6: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/darkclaw_lobster.html" title="Fish Finder: Darkclaw Lobster." class="nocolor" rel="item=13888">Darkclaw Lobster</a>, and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_summer_bass.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Summer Bass." class="nocolor" rel="item=13756">Raw Summer Bass</a> or <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/winter_squid.html" title="Fish Finder: Winter Squid." class="nocolor" rel="item=13755">Winter Squid</a></li>
<li>The Burning Crusade: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/giant_sunfish.html" title="Fish Finder: Giant Sunfish." class="nocolor" rel="item=35285">Giant Sunfish</a></li>
<li>Wrath of the Lich King: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/imperial_manta_ray.html" title="Fish Finder: Imperial Manta Ray." class="nocolor" rel="item=41802">Imperial Manta Ray</a>, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/moonglow_cuttlefish.html" title="Fish Finder: Moonglow Cuttlefish." class="nocolor" rel="item=41801">Moonglow Cuttlefish</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/rockfin_grouper.html" title="Fish Finder: Rockfin Grouper." class="nocolor" rel="item=41803">Rockfin Grouper</a></li>
<li>Cataclysm: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/deepsea_sagefish.html" title="Fish Finder: Deepsea Sagefish." class="nocolor" rel="item=53072">Deepsea Sagefish</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/murglesnout.html" title="Fish Finder: Murglesnout." class="nocolor" rel="item=53069">Murglesnout</a></li>
<li>Mists of Pandaria: <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/giant_mantis_shrimp.html" title="Fish Finder: Giant Mantis Shrimp." class="nocolor" rel="item=74857">Giant Mantis Shrimp</a>, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/golden_carp.html" title="Fish Finder: Golden Carp." class="nocolor" rel="item=74866">Golden Carp</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/reef_octopus.html" title="Fish Finder: Reef Octopus." class="nocolor" rel="item=74864">Reef Octopus</a></li>
</ol>

<p><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/outland.html" title="Fish Finder: Outland.">Outland</a> has no coastal water, but <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/isle_of_queldanas.html" title="Fish Finder: Isle of Quel'Danas.">Isle of Quel'Danas</a> (added in the final patch of <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/the_burning_crusade.html" title="The Burning Crusade - Fishing changes in the first expansion.">The Burning Crusade</a>) does have coastal waters and fish.</p>

<h3 id="application">Application: What's Happening on Darkmoon Island</h3>

<p>When fishing open coastal water around <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/darkmoon_island.html" title="Fish Finder: Darkmoon Island.">Darkmoon Island</a>, your personal fishing skill determines which tier of fish catches the water contains. The first 6 "Old Azeroth" tiers increment every 50 skill points (until 300), with each of the final 4 "expansion" tiers covering 75 skill points. All the coastal fish contained within the groups outlined above are possible to catch at their respective tiers, but only the most common catches are listed in the table below.</p>

<table summary="List skill tiers and common coastal fish, with the Darkmoon approach to the role of skill."><caption>"Darkmoon" Skill Tiers and Common Coastal Catches</caption>
<thead><tr><th>Fishing Skill</th><th>Tier</th><th>Common Catch</th></tr></thead><tbody>
<tr class="o"><td>1-50</td><td class="left">Zone Group 1</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_slitherskin_mackerel.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Slitherskin Mackerel." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_24 nocolor" rel="item=6303">Raw Slitherskin Mackerel</a></td></tr>
<tr class="ho"><td>50-100</td><td class="left">Zone Group 2</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_rainbow_fin_albacore.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_25 nocolor" rel="item=6361">Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_slitherskin_mackerel.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Slitherskin Mackerel." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_24 nocolor" rel="item=6303">Raw Slitherskin Mackerel</a></td></tr>
<tr class="o"><td>100-150</td><td class="left">Zone Group 3</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/oily_blackmouth.html" title="Fish Finder: Oily Blackmouth." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_monsterhead_04 nocolor" rel="item=6358">Oily Blackmouth</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_rainbow_fin_albacore.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_25 nocolor" rel="item=6361">Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore</a></td></tr>
<tr class="ho"><td>150-200</td><td class="left">Zone Group 4</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_rockscale_cod.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Rockscale Cod." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_04 nocolor" rel="item=6362">Raw Rockscale Cod</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_spotted_yellowtail.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Spotted Yellowtail." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_01 nocolor" rel="item=4603">Raw Spotted Yellowtail</a></td></tr>
<tr class="o"><td>200-250</td><td class="left">Zone Group 5</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_glossy_mightfish.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Glossy Mightfish." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_monsterhead_03 nocolor" rel="item=13754">Raw Glossy Mightfish</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_spotted_yellowtail.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Spotted Yellowtail." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_01 nocolor" rel="item=4603">Raw Spotted Yellowtail</a></td></tr>
<tr class="ho"><td>250-300</td><td class="left">Zone Group 6</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/darkclaw_lobster.html" title="Fish Finder: Darkclaw Lobster." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_14 nocolor" rel="item=13888">Darkclaw Lobster</a>, and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/raw_summer_bass.html" title="Fish Finder: Raw Summer Bass." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_03 nocolor" rel="item=13756">Raw Summer Bass</a> or <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/winter_squid.html" title="Fish Finder: Winter Squid." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_13 nocolor" rel="item=13755">Winter Squid</a></td></tr>
<tr class="o"><td>300-375</td><td class="left">The Burning Crusade</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/giant_sunfish.html" title="Fish Finder: Giant Sunfish." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_03 nocolor" rel="item=35285">Giant Sunfish</a></td></tr>
<tr class="ho"><td>375-450</td><td class="left">Wrath of the Lich King</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/imperial_manta_ray.html" title="Fish Finder: Imperial Manta Ray." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_59 nocolor" rel="item=41802">Imperial Manta Ray</a>, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/moonglow_cuttlefish.html" title="Fish Finder: Moonglow Cuttlefish." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_70 nocolor" rel="item=41801">Moonglow Cuttlefish</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/rockfin_grouper.html" title="Fish Finder: Rockfin Grouper." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_46 nocolor" rel="item=41803">Rockfin Grouper</a></td></tr>
<tr class="o"><td>450-525</td><td class="left">Cataclysm</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/deepsea_sagefish.html" title="Fish Finder: Deepsea Sagefish." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_79 nocolor" rel="item=53072">Deepsea Sagefish</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/murglesnout.html" title="Fish Finder: Murglesnout." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_89 nocolor" rel="item=53069">Murglesnout</a></td></tr>
<tr class="ho"><td>525-600</td><td class="left">Mists of Pandaria</td><td class="left"><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/giant_mantis_shrimp.html" title="Fish Finder: Giant Mantis Shrimp." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_101 nocolor" rel="item=74857">Giant Mantis Shrimp</a>, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/golden_carp.html" title="Fish Finder: Golden Carp." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_103 nocolor" rel="item=74866">Golden Carp</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/reef_octopus.html" title="Fish Finder: Reef Octopus." class="icon_s icon_inv_misc_fish_102 nocolor" rel="item=74864">Reef Octopus</a></td></tr>
</tbody></table>

<p>Further notes and observations:</p>

<ul class="spacedlist">

<li>Only your personal fishing skill is relevant. As far as can be tested, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/poles.html" title="Equipment: Fishing Poles - Complete list of fishing poles, with skill bonus, requirements, and source.">Poles</a>, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fishing_gear.html" title="Equipment: Fishing Gear - Hats, boots, lines, rum. This section describes the other items of equipment that will improve your effective fishing skill.">Gear</a> and <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/lures.html" title="Equipment: Lures - Bait that adds a temporary fishing skill bonus to your pole.">Lures</a> cannot be used to alter the catch tier. Trained rank is not relevant, only skill. For example, if your skill is 300, but you have not yet learned Master rank, you will still catch fish from the (300-375) Burning Crusade tier. However, the maximum possible tier does appear to be capped by your account's expansion: For example, a <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/cataclysm.html" title="Cataclysm - Preview of fishing changes in Cataclysm.">Cataclysm</a> account cannot exceed the 450-525 tier, even at 525 skill (<a href="https://twitter.com/techempage/status/309288464497664001" title="External link: Twitter - techempage.">thanks techempage</a>).</li>

<li>Between skill 1 and 25 there is a chance of catching <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/junk.html" title="Start: (Not) Catching Junk - Explains why you might catch junk items, and how to avoid them.">junk</a>. The chance of catching junk decreases as your skill rises up to 25, suggesting that the water is set with a base skill of 25 - in spite of all the other changes which alter the role of skill.</li>

<li>There is no overlap or gradual transition between tiers. The catch is strictly determined by the skill/tier combinations listed above. Fishing <i>at</i> the maximum skill in a tier will give the next tier's fish, except when fishing at 600 skill (since there is no tier after Mists of Pandaria - yet). The fish caught that takes you from one tier to the next (such as from 299 to 300 skill) cannot be looted: A catch from the lower tier will appear in the loot window, but attempting to retrieve the fish gives the error, "You can't loot that item now." The catch (loot) table has presumably changed from the point in time at which the catch was generated, to the point in time that catch should be possible to loot, exposing a logic flaw in the loot process.</li>

<li>The <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/sea_pony.html" title="Fish Finder: Sea Pony." class="nocolor" rel="item=73953">Sea Pony</a> may still be caught. I caught a Sea Pony from the Zone Group 6 tier, and caught it alongside another common fish catch. This suggests that the <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/sea_pony.html" title="Fish Finder: Sea Pony." class="nocolor" rel="item=73953">Sea Pony</a> is not part of the core catch (loot) table for the tier, but is part of a secondary bonus (low chance or perhaps conditional) catch table set only for Darkmoon Island. Similarly, no <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/mimic_octopus.html" title="Fish Finder: Mimic Octopus." class="nocolor" rel="item=86545">Mimic Octopus</a> were caught during 400 catches into Mists of Pandaria-tier waters at 600 skill. That implies <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/nat_pagle.html" title="Quests: Nat Pagle's Friendship - Guide to gaining Nat Pagle's friendship.">Pagle fish</a> are only part of a secondary catch table belonging to <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/pandaria.html" title="Fish Finder: Pandaria.">Pandaria</a>, and not part of the base tier 10 catch table.</li>

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<div class="tipbox">The way in which rare and conditional (such as quest-only or unique) fish appear when caught has changed a couple of times over the last 7 years. Notably at the start of the Wrath of the Lich King, when the loot system was quietly overhauled to enable <a href="http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/03/28/progressive-drop-rates/" title="External link: WoW Insider - Progressive drop rates.">progressive de-randomisation</a> for quest items. Historically El's Anglin' has not documented whether a rare or quest fish is caught alongside another fish or separately. While the Sea Pony and Mimic Octopus observations above may suggest a pattern, be wary of drawing definitive conclusions: The <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-tiny-carp-battle-pets.html" title="News: 5.2: Tiny Carp Battle Pets - News from 23 January 2013.">Tiny Carp catches added in patch 5.2</a> are caught individually, in spite of being "<a href="https://twitter.com/mumper/status/300370092938637312" title="External link: Twitter - Mumper.">very rare</a>" and (in the pet journal, if not the caught item) unique and not trade-able once learnt.</div>

<h3 id="implication">Implication: Another Change to the Role of Skill?</h3>

<p>Some aspects of this new Darkmoon approach to the role of skill are incomplete or buggy. The change only appears to apply to <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/darkmoon_island.html" title="Fish Finder: Darkmoon Island.">Darkmoon Island</a>, a rather <i>private</i> location for most of each month. All that suggests the programming and design is still evolving, and/or that we might never see this change on live realms.</p>

<p>If applied universally, the approach is flawed: There is no way to reduce an angler's personal fishing skill, but highly skilled anglers might sometimes want to catch lower-tier fish. One possibility is that the system will only apply up to a zone's native tier. For example, <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/outland.html" title="Fish Finder: Outland.">Outland</a> waters would never yield anything higher than the Outland tier, so anglers could always return to Outland if they needed to catch Outland fish.</p>

<p>The main advantage of the change would be that new anglers could catch a wide variety of fish as they improved their fishing skill, without <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fishing_and_cooking.html" title="Training: Fishing and Cooking 1-525 - Detailed guides to leveling fishing and cooking skills together, from 1 to 525.">moving between different zones</a>. Catching <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-pandarian-junk-changes.html" title="News: 5.2: Pandarian Junk Changes - News from 26 January 2013. Explains how extra Golden Carp are caught with insufficient skill.">1,500+ Golden Carp by developing skill in Pandaria</a> is ruthlessly efficient, but exceptionally boring! Unfortunately while the Darkmoon system makes that training process more interesting, it doesn't fit with <abbr title="Mists of Pandaria">MoP</abbr>'s <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/mop_cooking.html" title="MoP: Mists of Pandaria Cooking - Describes Mists of Pandaria's fish-based cooked food, cooking specializations (Ways), and Ironpaw Tokens. Also covers friendship with Nomi.">changes to Cooking</a>, which allow new (high level) cooks to train their Cooking skill from 1 to 600 without using ingredients from previous expansions.</p>

<p>So perhaps any major re-working of pre-<abbr title="Mists of Pandaria">MoP</abbr> fish catches also requires an overhaul of pre-MoP Cooking? There are no tangible changes to Cooking on test realms yet, but there are some oddities emerging: For example, over the last week characters' Cooking skill has been reset to 1. That could be an innocent bug, or it could point to <i>something else</i> being tested in private. Crafty, isn't it?</p>

<p><abbr title="Updated 14 February 2013.">Update</abbr>: When asked what the odds of a "revamp for fishing" were, designer Greg "Ghostcrawler" Street <a href="http://wow.joystiq.com/2013/02/13/changes-coming-for-fishing-and-leatherworking-but-not-in-5-2/" title="External link: WoW Insider - Changes coming for fishing and leatherworking ... but not in patch 5.2.">replied</a>, "Odds are high, but not for 5.2." However, major changes to fishing were first discussed <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/more-interactive-fishing.html" title="News: More Interactive Fishing? - News from 12 August 2008.">almost 5 years ago</a>, so it may still be too early to gamble on something big in patch 5.3.</p>

<div class="tipbox">For the latest explanation and analysis, read <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/darkmoon_skill_tiers.html" title="Darkmoon Skill Tiers - Describes how personal fishing skill determines the set of fish you may catch from open water around Darkmoon Island.">Darkmoon Skill Tiers</a>. For more on the fishing changes we are expecting to see go live in this patch, read <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/patch_5_2.html" title="MoP: Patch 5.2 - Describes changes to fishing and farming in patch 5.2.">Patch 5.2</a>. To understand how skill influences catches before patch 5.2, see <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/the_role_of_skill.html" title="The Role of Skill (Revised) - Considers the role skill plays in fishing, including how skill changes the proportion of junk items caught.">The Role of Skill (Revised)</a>.</div>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/patch_5_2.html" title="MoP: Patch 5.2 - Describes changes to fishing and farming in patch 5.2.">Patch 5.2</a>, each rare fish that grants <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/nat_pagle.html" title="Quests: Nat Pagle's Friendship - Guide to gaining Nat Pagle's friendship.">Nat Pagle's Friendship</a> awards 600 reputation with him (before bonuses), up from 500. In addition, <a href="https://twitter.com/mumper/status/298929059017158656" title="External link: Twitter - Mumper.">Mumper says</a>:</p>
<blockquote cite="https://twitter.com/mumper/status/298929059017158656">"Rare [Pagle] fish catches are essentially twice as good."</blockquote>
<p><abbr title="Updated 9 February 2013.">Update</abbr>: On average, 4.4% of catches from both open water and pools in Pandaria will have a Pagle fish attached. Slightly better than <i>twice</i>, especially as this <i>feels</i> much less variable than the 1 or 2% in patch 5.1. Detailed catch analysis below: <!--more--></p>

<p>There are 6 different groups of waters Pagle fish may be caught from: Each of the 3 fish may be caught from pools or open water. One specific type of water was tested to represent each of these 6 different groups. At least a thousand regular (non-Pagle) fish were caught during each test. The results are shown in the table below.</p>

<p>Note that Pagle fish are now caught alongside a regular catch. So in the first case, 1,018 regular fish were caught from <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/swarm_of_panicked_paddlefish.html" title="Fish Finder: Swarm of Panicked Paddlefish.">Swarm of Panicked Paddlefish</a>, and 45 of those were caught with a bonus <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/flying_tiger_gourami.html" title="Fish Finder: Flying Tiger Gourami." class="nocolor" rel="item=86542">Flying Tiger Gourami</a>. Some <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-pool-migrations.html" title="News: 5.2: Pool Migrations - News from 29 January 2013. Describes the appearance of large numbers of fast-respawning pools at specific locations in Pandaria, alongside a single larger pool containing a Krakkanon.">Pool migartion</a> pools were tested, but other observations suggest their contents are precisely the same as normal pool types, such as <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/krasarang_paddlefish_school.html" title="Fish Finder: Krasarang Paddlefish School.">Krasarang Paddlefish School</a>. Since Pagle fish are unique, every Pagle fish caught was immediately thrown back in, allowing further Pagle fish to appear. Unique fish would not appear if the same named fish was already in one's inventory. All open water testing was done with sufficient skill to <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-pandarian-junk-changes.html" title="News: 5.2: Pandarian Junk Changes - News from 26 January 2013. Explains how extra Golden Carp are caught with insufficient skill.">avoid catching extra Carp</a> (formerly junk).</p>

<table summary="Shows the proportion of catches from a sample of open waters and pools that have a Pagle fish attached."><caption>Proportion of "Pagle Fish" by Water</caption>
<thead><tr><th colspan='2'>Pagle Fish</th><th>Sample Water</th><th>Pagle Fish Catch</th><th>Total Regular Catch</th><th>Percentage of Regular Catch with Pagle Fish</th></tr></thead><tfoot>
<tr class='ho'><td class='left' colspan='3'>Total/Average</td><td>275</td><td>6235</td><td>4.4%</td></tr></tfoot><tbody>
<tr class='o'><td class='left' rowspan='2'><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/flying_tiger_gourami.html" title="Fish Finder: Flying Tiger Gourami." class="nocolor" rel="item=86542"><img alt="Flying Tiger Gourami" src="http://i.elsanglin.com/52/inv_misc_fish_100.png" width="52" height="52" class="border" /></a></td><td class='left' rowspan='2'><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/flying_tiger_gourami.html" title="Fish Finder: Flying Tiger Gourami." class="nocolor" rel="item=86542">Flying Tiger Gourami</a></td><td class='left'>Pool (<a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/swarm_of_panicked_paddlefish.html" title="Fish Finder: Swarm of Panicked Paddlefish.">Swarm of Panicked Paddlefish</a>)</td><td>45</td><td>1018</td><td>4.4%</td></tr>
<tr class='o'><td class='left'>Open Inland Water (<a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/townlong_steppes.html" title="Fish Finder: Townlong Steppes.">Townlong Steppes</a>)</td><td>46</td><td>1017</td><td>4.5%</td></tr>
<tr class='ho'><td class='left' rowspan='2'><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/mimic_octopus.html" title="Fish Finder: Mimic Octopus." class="nocolor" rel="item=86545"><img alt="Mimic Octopus" src="http://i.elsanglin.com/52/inv_misc_fish_104.png" width="52" height="52" class="border" /></a></td><td class='left' rowspan='2'><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/mimic_octopus.html" title="Fish Finder: Mimic Octopus." class="nocolor" rel="item=86545">Mimic Octopus</a></td><td class='left'>Pool (<a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/reef_octopus_swarm.html" title="Fish Finder: Reef Octopus Swarm.">Reef Octopus Swarm</a>)</td><td>43</td><td>1035</td><td>4.2%</td></tr>
<tr class='ho'><td class='left'>Open Coastal Water (<a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/krasarang_wilds.html" title="Fish Finder: Krasarang Wilds.">Krasarang Wilds</a>)</td><td>53</td><td>1103</td><td>4.8%</td></tr>
<tr class='o'><td class='left' rowspan='2'><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/spinefish_alpha.html" title="Fish Finder: Spinefish Alpha." class="nocolor" rel="item=86544"><img alt="Spinefish Alpha" src="http://i.elsanglin.com/52/inv_misc_fish_105.png" width="52" height="52" class="border" /></a></td><td class='left' rowspan='2'><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/spinefish_alpha.html" title="Fish Finder: Spinefish Alpha." class="nocolor" rel="item=86544">Spinefish Alpha</a></td><td class='left'>Pool (<a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/sha-touched_spinefish.html" title="Fish Finder: Sha-Touched Spinefish.">Sha-Touched Spinefish</a>)</td><td>45</td><td>1050</td><td>4.3%</td></tr>
<tr class='o'><td class='left'>Open Sha-Touched Water (<a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/kun-lai_summit.html" title="Fish Finder: Kun-Lai Summit.">Kun-Lai Summit</a>)</td><td>43</td><td>1012</td><td>4.2%</td></tr>
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<p>All the catch percentages shown above are between 4 and 5%. There is no evidence that any one Pagle fish is more common than any other.</p>

<p>There is a very slight bias towards open water catches: 4.5% average from all open water, vs 4.3% from all pools. This could be a statistical glitch. However, the pool data was gathered with an <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/other_equipment.html#ancient_pandaren_fishing_charm" title="Other Equipment: Ancient Pandaren Fishing Charm." class="nocolor" rel="item=85973">Ancient Pandaren Fishing Charm</a> active, and it is possible that the Charm only affects the regular catch.</p>

<p>For example, with the Charm active, 20% of the regular catch will be 2 fish, rather than one. So when fishing pools, our <i>Charmed</i> loot window will have opened about 170 (a sixth) fewer times during each test than when fishing open water: 170 of those pool <i>lootings</i> contained two catches, rather than one, so we reach our thousand target with fewer loot windows.</p>

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<li>If the Charm also added 20% to the chance of catching a Pagle fish, this would make almost no difference to the proprtion of Pagle fish caught. Almost, because there would theoretically be a tiny chance of 2 Pagle fish appearing at the same time, which can't happen because they are unique.</li>
<li>If the Charm only adds 20% to the regular catch, overall our pool sample would be 133 Pagle fish against about 2,585 possible lootings: 5.1%, which is considerably higher than the 4.5% open water figure we are trying to match.</li>
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<p>So the <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/other_equipment.html#ancient_pandaren_fishing_charm" title="Other Equipment: Ancient Pandaren Fishing Charm." class="nocolor" rel="item=85973">Ancient Pandaren Fishing Charm</a> <i>probably</i> does not explain the small difference in catch rates between open water and pools. And the Charm <i>may</i> indeed increase the chance of catching a Pagle fish from any one successful cast, although perhaps not by enough to offset the extra time spent moving and casting into pools. Probably and maybe because the sample sizes are too small to be sure. The theory that the Ancient Pandaren Fishing Charm adds to the chance of catching a Pagle fish is important, because it suggests that even rarer catches are influenced by the Charm. A 20% bonus when trying to catch a <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/tiny_red_carp.html" title="Fish Finder: Tiny Red Carp." class="nocolor" rel="item=94932">Tiny Red Carp</a> or <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/sea_turtle.html" title="Fish Finder: Sea Turtle." class="nocolor" rel="item=46109">Sea Turtle</a> could save a lot of time!</p>

<p>In practical terms, all this suggests that all sources of Pagle fish have identical catch rates. <i>Charmed</i> fishing of densely packed pools (such as those found during <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/news/5-2-pool-migrations.html" title="News: 5.2: Pool Migrations - News from 29 January 2013. Describes the appearance of large numbers of fast-respawning pools at specific locations in Pandaria, alongside a single larger pool containing a Krakkanon.">pool migrations</a>) will be comparable to fishing open water with sufficient skill. The choice is yours.</p>

<div class="tipbox">The Quests chapter contains a full guide to gaining <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/nat_pagle.html" title="Quests: Nat Pagle's Friendship - Guide to gaining Nat Pagle's friendship.">Nat Pagle's Friendship</a>. Or for information about the other fishing changes in this patch, see <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/patch_5_2.html" title="MoP: Patch 5.2 - Describes changes to fishing and farming in patch 5.2.">Patch 5.2</a>.</div>
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