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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 88: Evidences of the Book of Mormon</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 4, 2012, Martin Tanner discusses some of the evidences for the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. This recording was used by permission of KSL Radio and does not necessarily represent the views of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or of FAIR.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 4, 2012, Martin Tanner discusses some of the evidences for the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 4, 2012, Martin Tanner discusses some of the evidences for the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.

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		<title>Our History of Nasty Ad Hominem Attacks</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Allen Wyatt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier today a well-known critic of FAIR made the following statement on an Internet message board: &#8220;MI/FAIR/FARMS has a history of nasty ad hominem attacks (see the Simon Southerton adultery accusations)&#8230;&#8221; We at FAIR have been asking, for a long, long time, for concrete examples of where we have engaged in ad hominem fallacies, as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier today a well-known critic of FAIR made the following statement on an Internet message board:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;MI/FAIR/FARMS has a history of nasty ad hominem attacks (see the Simon Southerton adultery accusations)&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>We at FAIR have been asking, for a long, long time, for concrete examples of where we have engaged in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem"><i>ad hominem</i> fallacies</a>, as we don&#8217;t really want to do so. (I know; that may seem incredulous to some. But it really is true.) This statement, by the critic on the message board, was the first concrete example I&#8217;ve noticed.<br />
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To start with, I do know that Southerton was excommunicated from the Church for adultery in 2005. It was reported in the <i>Sydney Morning Herald</i> (Australia) on July 21, 2005. (An archive copy of the <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/mormons-challenge-apostate-scientist/2005/07/20/1121539032256.html">article can be found online</a>.) According to the article, it was Southerton who announced the allegation to the reporter. So the accusation is a matter of public record, placed into that record by Southerton himself.</p>
<p>Even so, the fact that he was charged with adultery <i>could</i> be used as an <i>ad hominem</i> fallacy if (and only if) it is presented as a reason to disregard the arguments of a person. Such a usage would be wrong, and definitely a logical fallacy. It plainly should not be done in scholarly discourse. Was this how FAIR and FARMS had used accusations of adultery—to get people to ignore things that Southeron said? Good question!</p>
<p>So I went searching.</p>
<p>First, I did a search on the FARMS/MI site for the phrase &#8220;Southerton adultery,&#8221; and it turns up exactly once&mdash;in a slide used by John Butler for Education Week in 2008. (It is a tag under the picture of Southerton and says, in part, &#8220;Excommunicated in 2005 for adultery.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Forgetting for a moment that John Butler doesn&#8217;t work for FARMS and that Education Week is not a FARMS venue, the phrase doesn&#8217;t come up anywhere else, and in any other publication. None.</p>
<p>I then did a search on FAIR&#8217;s websites for the same phrase, &#8220;Southerton adultery.&#8221; It appears exactly once, in <a href="http://www.fairlds.org/reviews-of-dna-evidence-for-book-of-mormon-geography/section-1-dna-evidence">one of our reviews</a> of Rodney Meldrum&#8217;s material. It appears in both the short version (as just linked) and in the longer version, which is a PDF. It was used then to correct Meldrum, not to address anything that Southerton ever said.</p>
<p>I think that there are a few things to consider here. First, Southerton&#8217;s book contesting the historicity of the Book of Mormon was published in 2004, and the arguments that Southerton made have been discussed long and hard in many venues. Both of the &#8220;search hits&#8221; on the FAIR and FARMS websites were for singular statements made in 2008, four years later and, honestly, after the intensity of the discussion regarding Southerton&#8217;s arguments. One of the mentions wasn&#8217;t even directed at Southerton, at all.</p>
<p>Which still leaves me puzzled. Where do the &#8220;Simon Southerton adultery accusations&#8221; (as our critic states them) get hung around the necks of FAIR and FARMS? Perhaps someone with more in-depth searching skills can point out where there are any <i>ad hominem</i> statements (constituting an <i>ad hominem</i> fallacy) in this regard. I, for one, would welcome someone pointing them out.</p>
<p>In fact, going back to my statement earlier in this post, we at FAIR have been asking, for a long, long, LONG time, for concrete examples of all the meanness attributed to us, as an organization. Understanding that it is possible to not see the forest for the trees, please <b>consider this an open, standing invitation</b>. If anyone can point them out to us, I&#8217;d be glad to make sure someone takes a look at what is brought up.</p>
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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 87: Fostering Faith and Countering Criticism: The Role of Apologetics in in the Information Age</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 01:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On March 29, 2012, Scott Gordon appeared at the UVU Conference on Mormonism and the Internet. In this address, he explains the mission, purpose and history of FAIR.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/mormon_internet_NEW.png"><img class=" wp-image-2840 alignleft" title="mormon_internet_NEW" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/mormon_internet_NEW-300x168.png" alt="" width="240" height="134" /></a>On March 29, 2012, Scott Gordon appeared at the UVU Conference on Mormonism and the Internet. In this address, he explains the mission, purpose and history of FAIR.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>On March 29, 2012, Scott Gordon appeared at the UVU Conference on Mormonism and the Internet. In this address, he explains the mission, purpose and history of FAIR.</itunes:subtitle>
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		<title>Joseph Smith’s First Vision Accounts: More Mormon Church Suppression and Cover-Up</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 00:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smoot</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Church is at it again. The different accounts of Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Vision, which the Church has been sneaky enough to hide in places like the Ensign and BYU Studies, continues to be suppressed and hid from unsuspecting Church members. The damning contradictions in the Prophet&#8217;s different accounts are, in fact, so damaging that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church is at it again. The different accounts of Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Vision, which the Church has been sneaky enough to hide in places like the <a href="http://www.lds.org/ensign/1996/04/joseph-smiths-testimony-of-the-first-vision?lang=eng&amp;query">Ensign</a> and <a href="https://byustudies.byu.edu/showTitle.aspx?title=4839">BYU Studies</a>, continues to be suppressed and hid from unsuspecting Church members. The damning contradictions in the Prophet&#8217;s different accounts are, in fact, so damaging that the Church thought it wise to talk about them only in a place so obscure and so concealed that nobody would be able to find it without any serious effort. I am speaking, of course, about YouTube. After all, nobody watches the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/MormonMessages">Mormon Messages</a> videos produced by the Church. What better place to hide this information from Church members than in a place that certainly has never been talked about in an official Church<a href="http://www.lds.org/ensign/2011/04/in-the-news?lang=eng"> magazine</a> or <a href="http://www.lds.org/media-library/video/mormon-messages?lang=eng&amp;start=1&amp;end=12">website</a>?</p>
<p>But enough talk. Let&#8217;s take a look at the video itself:<br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN9_55hMzLk&amp;feature=g-all-esi">Joseph Smith and the First Vision</a></p>
<p>Yikes! I do not envy Mark Ashurst-McGee. I can only image how much shame and scorn he is going to have to endure from Church members who will undoubtedly renounce him for saying such scandalous things such as there are &#8220;differences&#8221; in these accounts. I shudder at the disciplinary action this poor soul is going to weather for mentioning that the 1838 account of the First Vision &#8220;is not the only account of the First Vision that Joseph Smith ever gave.&#8221; And surely Ashurst-McGee&#8217;s mentioning of &#8220;this [the 1838 account] and three other accounts of the First Vision&#8221; won&#8217;t win him points with the ominous Brethren (cue scary music) who hold his fate in their all-powerful hands.</p>
<p>At several points in the video Ashurst-McGee even dares to talk about specific differences in the First Vision accounts. The 1832 account, he tells us, focuses more on Joseph&#8217;s search for a remission of sins and only mentions the appearance of Jesus Christ. The Prophet&#8217;s 1835 account, according to our sleuth, explains that the Father appeared first and then introduced the Son. To top it off, after a blistering cavalcade of shocking revelations on the gross contradictions in the accounts of Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Vision, Ashurst-McGee explains that the 1842 account of the First Vision &#8220;provides details not found in the other accounts.&#8221;</p>
<p>At this point, if the reader can compose him or herself, one may ask why the Church would do such a foolish thing as expose this deep, dark secret of Mormon history? The answer, actually, is <a href="http://www.fairblog.org/2011/07/11/a-note-on-the-first-visions-of-paul-and-joseph-smith/">quite simple</a>: the differences in the accounts of Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Vision no more contradict each other than the differences in the accounts of the conversion of the Apostle Paul do. (Or the differences in the accounts in the life of Jesus in the Gospels, for that matter.) As such, the Church is quite safe to talk openly about this issue as it has done in the past.</p>
<p>Granted, critics of the Church won&#8217;t be really satisfied until the Church devises a missionary lesson in <em>Preach my Gospel</em> that extensively goes into this subject and other related controversies, such as polygamy, the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and the Book of Abraham and Joseph Smith Papyri. Until that time, however, we should be content with what little things the Church will grant us in the way of Mormon historical sources. (Ya know, the simple things like the <a href="http://josephsmithpapers.org/">Joseph Smith Papers</a>.)</p>
<p>Next time, however, the Church should be more discrete with these issues. Mormon Messages and the Ensign are a good start when it comes to covering-up these sorts of things by hiding them in super secret retreats, but other more obscure places of concealment will have to be used in the future. Maybe <a href="http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2009/10/safety-for-the-soul?lang=eng">General Conference</a> will do the trick?</p>
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		<title>How NOT to keep people from leaving the Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I led a discussion in a high priests group today about personal apostasy and how we can help by sharing the gospel over the internet. I asked for people to share their personal experiences regarding why people leave, and I shared some figures from a 1988 study that is summarized by Kevin Barney here. With [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I led a discussion in a high priests group today about personal apostasy and how we can help by sharing the gospel over the internet. I asked for people to share their personal experiences regarding why people leave, and I shared some figures from a 1988 study that is summarized by Kevin Barney <a title="Why Do People Leave the Church" href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/why-do-people-leave-the-church/">here</a>. With regard to reasons people become inactive in the Church, the study reported the following:</p>
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<li>54% wanted to spend their limited time and resources on other interests and activities.</li>
<li>40% indicated that they didn’t feel they belonged</li>
<li>25% reported feeling it didn’t matter to anyone whether they attended or not.</li>
<li>About a third gave contextual reasons (movement to a new community where they didn’t get involved, work schedule conflicts, etc.).</li>
<li>23% reported problems with specific doctrines or teachings,</li>
<li>20% reported problems with other members of the congregation</li>
<li>Some said the church demanded too much of their time and money</li>
<li>Others said it no longer was a help in finding the meaning in life.</li>
<li>Female respondents in particular were affected by marriage to a nonmember spouse.</li>
</ul>
<p>As I opened it up for discussion, the idea was expressed, and I agreed, that a fundamental reason for loss of faith was a loss of the Spirit. So many of the factors listed above can be tolerated if an individual feels a strong connection with God that is associated with activity in this Church (prayer, scripture reading, Church and temple attendance, etc.)<br />
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I was a little surprised, however, by the extreme position taken by one member of the group who commented to me after the lesson that he has never known a person to leave the Church who is not engaged in some serious sin. He further argued that it is not rational argument over the internet, but one-on-one ministering that converts people. Thus, our efforts on the internet are not helpful. (He later admitted that effort made on the internet might be of some use.) He entirely disregarded the findings of the study cited above and further forcefully argued that if people had real testimonies by the Spirit to begin with, they would never leave.</p>
<p>I told him that his experience must simply be different than mine, and that I have known people who at one time had strong testimonies but later left, and that I have been unable to discern any “serious sin” in their lives. I do think that in each instance, if these individuals would have continued to cultivate a relationship with the Spirit, that they would not have left. But the reasons they did not continue in a close relationship with the Spirit may have been due to some combination of any of the various factors listed in the study above.</p>
<p>A testimony must be nourished with great care, and should not be neglected. Otherwise, when exposed to difficulties, our testimony can slowly diminish and finally leave us. (See <a title="Alma 32:37-38" href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/32.37-38?lang=eng">Alma 32:37-38</a>.) Those difficulties may take the form of a desire to play golf on Sunday, or lack of friendship in a ward, or some doctrine or historical aspect of the Church that seems troubling. Clearly, adultery can drive a person from the Church, and such a person may even look for doctrinal or historical problems to justify leaving the Church when the root cause is actually adultery. However, in teaching a lesson on how we can help prevent people from leaving, it struck me that in forcefully (even contentiously) advancing the argument that it is serious sin, and only serious sin, that causes people to leave, this man may be creating an atmosphere in his ward that may create difficulty for someone who is struggling with a doctrinal issue and, ironically, accelerate that person’s exit from the Church. And in taking a contentious approach to his view, he may be driving away the very Spirit that is essential to building faith.</p>
<p>A person should feel free to share concerns with other members of a ward regarding doctrinal or historical problems without fear that their neighbors will jump to conclusions about adultery or methamphetamine use. There are solid answers to nearly every doctrinal or historical issue I have confronted. (There are still some that make me scratch my head as I faithfully wait for further light and knowledge.) However, it is usually only on the internet, in a fairly impersonal and anonymous forum, that I am asked about these issues. I wonder how many people could be helped in a personal way by a neighbor who can follow-up and help strengthen a person who is struggling if they were not made to feel that in expressing concern, their personal worthiness would be questioned.</p>
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		<title>Another Look at Baptism for the Dead</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[THE topic of vicarious or “proxy” baptisms performed by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has recently received a lot of attention, both positive and negative. (And both factual and lacking in accuracy, it&#8217;s fair to say.) I&#8217;m sure the topic will come up again, so even though it&#8217;s not at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><span style="font-size: large">T</span>HE topic of vicarious</strong> or “proxy” baptisms performed by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has recently received a lot of attention, both positive and negative. (And both factual and lacking in accuracy, it&#8217;s fair to say.) I&#8217;m sure the topic will come up again, so even though it&#8217;s not at this moment a hot topic bouncing around the news, I&#8217;d like to share a few of my own thoughts about this issue and the way it&#8217;s been characterized as a horrible, disrespectful thing to do on behalf of the deceased.<span id="more-2805"></span></p>
<h2>Doctrinal Differences</h2>
<p>Certainly, there are those who object to the practice due to a disagreement over whether the practice genuinely belongs in a Christian faith. I&#8217;ll briefly respond to this since others have already given this plenty of good coverage, including articles on the FAIR wiki and main website. We&#8217;ve always pointed to a verse from the New Testament where the apostle Paul asks,</p>
<blockquote><p>Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?<a href="#vb1"><sup>1</sup></a></p></blockquote>
<p>Some object to this, saying that Paul wasn&#8217;t condoning the practice, but was referring to a group of heretics, not Christians. I would say that Paul isn&#8217;t discussing baptism here directly, but trying to give a convincing argument supporting the reality of the resurrection. Given that, it&#8217;s interesting that he uses baptism for the dead as something that apparently would be familiar to his audience and would provide a compelling reason to believe in the resurrection. That would be a strange thing to do if his point was to speak against—or even downplay—the practice of vicarious rites.<a href="#vb2"><sup>2</sup></a> Others deny the necessity of literal water baptism as a works-based salvation heresy or even simply say that it&#8217;s pointless because people who died without a proper Christian baptism are irrevocably condemned to damnation.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re used to that sort of dialog. We get that. What has been a newer experience<a href="#vb3"><sup>3</sup></a> is the claim that even attempting this work is a horrific, cruel, thoughtless act, for which we should be ashamed of ourselves. Yet more proof, in some people&#8217;s way of thinking, of the depravity of Mormons is that we would <em>dare</em> to plunder the afterlife to add souls to our religion through forced posthumous conversion to Mormonism, offending their surviving relatives.</p>
<p>This is honestly baffling because the characterization of the practice I just wrote, while I think fairly<br />
representative of what many in the world have been voicing on this topic, is so utterly at odds with the way the LDS approach the practice, our initial reaction is to be shocked that it&#8217;s taken that way. We see it as an offering of inclusion for any to freely accept or reject, but we&#8217;re at least offering to share all we have in the afterlife with them rather than turning our backs on them for being outside our faith.</p>
<h2>Outrageous Ordinances?</h2>
<p>That&#8217;s not how some see it, and it&#8217;s taken me some time and effort to (I believe) come to understand why that might be. To explain why, consider first what this means to the Latter-day Saints. Like most Christian sects, the LDS believe that acceptance of Jesus Christ as savior and atoning mediator is a necessary condition for salvation and full reconciliation with God, and the participation in the physical acts of baptism and confirmation are essential components of how that acceptance is formally entered as a covenant relationship with God. We have a rather unique answer to the dilemma of what happens to the souls of those who never had the opportunity to make that choice for themselves during their mortal lives.</p>
<p>In LDS doctrine, God is universally just and requires the same entrance criteria to heaven of every human being who ever lived, but is likewise universally merciful and offers the same possibility of achieving it to every human being, and “he inviteth all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”<a href="#vb4"><sup>4</sup></a> And, I would add, “whether born in a time, place, and circumstance where they could possibly, or would reasonably, accept this covenant, or not.”</p>
<p>Therefore, He provided a way for those still living to repeat the sacramental rites, (or “ordinances” to use the more familiar LDS term for them), on behalf of the deceased, standing in for them by proxy. What is important to note here is that at no point does the LDS church consider those deceased people <em>to have received baptism or to be members of the LDS church or even Christianity</em> by virtue of that act alone. All it means is that the required physical covenant-making ceremonies have been performed for them, so that <em>in the event that departed soul makes the choice on their own volition to embrace it,</em> then and only then does it have any effect.<a href="#vb5"><sup>5</sup></a></p>
<p>This is a crucial distinction to understand where the LDS are coming from for our part in this. The increasingly popular characterization is that we&#8217;re “stealing souls” by “converting them to Mormonism” or even “preying on the defenseless souls and robbing them of their heritage when they are powerless to resist.” As lurid as that spin makes this sound, putting it like that makes it hard for LDS to understand the point of view of those complaining, since it&#8217;s so very different from what we believe is even taking place. On one hand that complaint seems to indicate an acceptance that the proxy baptism <em>actually has a real effect</em> on anyone, which makes us do a bit of a double-take (“Wait, are you saying you believe our religion actually is <em>right</em> or has any real power in the afterlife?” If so, maybe it&#8217;s worth paying attention to&#8230; but if you don&#8217;t believe that, then you don&#8217;t believe anyone&#8217;s being affected at all by the practice anyway). On the other hand, not even the LDS believe they&#8217;re converting anyone, just opening a door for them should <em>they</em> (the deceased) choose to take it from there.</p>
<p>“What right do you have to do such an awful thing to my ancestors, or members of my faith or community?” they ask, and the LDS are genuinely puzzled with why it&#8217;s awful in the first place, as well as why anyone can really take it upon themselves to stand as the spokesperson for a previous generation and assert that <em>they</em> have the right to determine the choices they would have made if still living, when all the LDS are doing is offering a choice, not presuming to force them.</p>
<h2>Working Toward Mutual Understanding and Cooperation</h2>
<p>I&#8217;ve read a lot of what they&#8217;ve had to say about why they&#8217;re outraged. Setting aside ranting comments by people more interested in stirring up a controversy for its own sake, there remain a number of people who seem to me to have a reasonable point to make as to why the practice makes them uncomfortable. They have gone along the general theme that it is, they feel, disrespectful to the memory of these people, that (and I&#8217;ll focus here on the Jewish people here since that&#8217;s the current controversy) it is seen as robbing them of their Jewish heritage by “turning them into Mormons or even Christians.” The one point that hit home most to me was one writer who said he was offended because this practice was essentially saying that the Jewish religion was insufficient to get their people to heaven, and so the LDS must feel they have to step in and meddle in some condescending way, and showed the anti-semitic prejudice of the LDS.</p>
<p>And you know, I think I get that.</p>
<p>I can respect that point of view and understand how one would hold it and feel that way about all of this.</p>
<p>But if I may respond with a gentle rebuttal giving a better view of what&#8217;s going on from the LDS point of view, perhaps I can help foster a little more mutual understanding.</p>
<h2>Anti-Semitism and Mormonism</h2>
<p>In reality, you&#8217;d be hard pressed to find a Christian denomination more pro-Israel, one would even say philo-semitic, than the LDS. Beyond the usual association common to Christians that our religion is a continuation from the foundations of Judaism, that we hold the Hebrew scriptures among our other holy books as scripture, that we also worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and see Israel as God&#8217;s ancient covenant people, the LDS go further by taking literally the concept that the righteous people of the Gentile nations will be “grafted in” to Israel and adopted into the covenant. We speak of the church as Zion, we even go to the lengths of receiving a blessing at the hands of our patriarch, whereupon we are given the name of the actual <em>tribe</em> of Israel we&#8217;re adopted into.</p>
<p>In the part of the <cite>Book of Mormon</cite> we were studying in my Sunday School class recently, there&#8217;s a passage which does as good a job as I can think of to illustrate the LDS view of the Jews. The passage isn&#8217;t directly even <em>about</em> the Jews. It&#8217;s about how people will reject the idea of more scripture (such as the <cite>Book of Mormon</cite> itself), but in addressing that, the writer pauses to throw in this sentiment about the Jewish people:</p>
<blockquote><p>And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.</p>
<p>But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?</p>
<p>O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in one. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever.<a href="#vb6"><sup>6</sup></a></p></blockquote>
<p>A religious sect who sent one of their leaders across the globe in 1841 to climb the Mount of Olives and offer a prayer of dedication, asking God to bless the Holy Land for the return of the Jews, is hardly anti-semitic.</p>
<p>At least in the eyes of one Jewish co-worker I chatted with on the subject many years ago, LDS devotion to Israel was, she felt, somewhere between “flattering” and “a bit annoying”—much as an older child feels when their younger sibling follows them around everywhere trying to emulate everything they do. I accept that the attention isn&#8217;t always what the older sibling wants (I was the eldest in my family—I speak from experience here), but you have to admit it&#8217;s driven from love, not hatred or even disdain.</p>
<p>In trying to get we LDS to understand how offensive our practice of “trying to save” our ancestors is, some have asked rhetorically, “How would <em>you</em> feel if we gave <em>your</em> ancestors, or <em>you yourself</em> a posthumous bar mitzvah, or circumcision, or if a coven of Wiccans performed a Rite of Dedication for you, or was handfasted in your name, or what if a Buddhist, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Catholic, or Baptist, performed any manner of their religious rituals on your behalf after you&#8217;re dead, <em>how would that make YOU feel, huh?</em></p>
<p>Honestly? I&#8217;d be honored. I&#8217;d be grateful that you thought enough of me to offer.</p>
<p>Let other groups shut them out of the afterlife they see for themselves, or consign them to a fiery doom. We aren&#8217;t even trying to push them into our vision of the afterlife. We&#8217;re just setting a place at our table with their name on it, and leaving the door open for them. The rest is literally up to them.</p>
<p>And we do the same for everyone. For this, we&#8217;re told we&#8217;re insensitive monsters.</p>
<p>Maybe I still don&#8217;t quite get it.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;margin-left: 20%"><em>As a Jew, I am less interested in what other religions teach about the fate of Jews in the next world than in how they affect the fate of Jews in this world. Rafael Medoff, a scholar of America&#8217;s response to the Holocaust, notes that Mormon leaders were outspoken supporters of efforts to rescue Jews from Nazi Europe at a time when many mainstream Christians were silent. For example, Utah Senator William King . . . strongly backed legislation that could have saved Anne Frank and her family.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;margin-left: 20%"><em>Outraged by proxy baptisms? Count me out. As my stunted family tree attests, the Jewish people have very real, very dangerous enemies. Mormons undergoing peaceful rituals in their own temples aren&#8217;t on the list</em>.</p>
<p style="text-align: right">—Jeff Jacoby, in his article <a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/2012/02/29/outraged_by_mormon_proxy_baptism_not_this_jew/page/2">“Outraged by Mormon Proxy Baptism? Not This Jew”</a></p>
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<p><a name="vb1"></a><sup>1</sup>1 Corinthians 15:29</p>
<p><a name="vb2"></a><sup>2</sup>It&#8217;s also interesting to note how differently we approach the concept of the scriptural reference. Members of Protestant <em>sola scriptura</em> traditions assume we&#8217;re just proof-texting an entire practice gleaned from a single verse fragment (“Hey, Paul mentions something called ‘baptism for the dead,’ we better get busy doing that!”) and are a little baffled by that. From the point of view of a church based on the idea of continuing revelation, we think it is cool and all that Paul mentioned it in his day, but that&#8217;s more of a supportive role. The basis for the modern practice is a modern revelation (e.g., D&amp;C 124), by modern prophets (e.g., D&amp;C 127).</p>
<p><a name="vb3"></a><sup>3</sup>Of course, on this point and throughout this entire entry I&#8217;m speaking only for myself, my opinions, beliefs, and experiences. I&#8217;m no sort of spokesperson for FAIR, let alone all Latter-day Saints or anything.</p>
<p><a name="vb4"></a><sup>4</sup>2 Nephi 26:33. Also, Acts 10:34 (God is no respecter of persons).</p>
<p><a name="vb5"></a><sup>5</sup>In fact, nowhere in any of the rituals is the deceased person directly told anything like “I baptize you&#8230;” (as is the case for a living convert). Rather, the living person is addressed directly, and told that <em>they</em> are being baptized&#8230; on behalf of someone else. That&#8217;s not just semantics, it&#8217;s extremely significant.<br />
<a name="vb6"></a><sup>6</sup>2 Nephi 29:3–5, 14.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Wyatt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On March 29, 2012, Utah Valley University hosted a fascinating conference entitled Mormonism and the Internet. Perhaps the most interesting exchanges, for me, were those in session five of the conference, which was a panel discussion among John Dehlin, Scott Gordon, and Rosemary Avance. UVU has just posted this particular conference session online, and I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On March 29, 2012, Utah Valley University hosted a fascinating conference entitled <i>Mormonism and the Internet</i>. Perhaps the most interesting exchanges, for me, were those in session five of the conference, which was a panel discussion among John Dehlin, Scott Gordon, and Rosemary Avance. UVU has <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO6fD8M4OB0">just posted this particular conference session</a> online, and I just watched it again.</p>
<p>Rather early in the panel discussion, I asked a question of John Dehlin, as a follow-up to his presentation earlier in the day. You can hear my question beginning at about 13:05 into the video:</p>
<blockquote><p>People often study the same facts or issues and come to vastly different conclusions&mdash;some have their faith strengthened, while others have their faith destroyed. To what do you attribute this difference in outcome, and why do you feel that the stories of those who have suffered a negative outcome should be privileged over those with a positive outcome?</p></blockquote>
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This was John&#8217;s answer:</p>
<blockquote><p>That&#8217;s a really hard question for me to answer. I&#8217;m one of the ones who have lost faith, and so my perspective is going to be really biased. What I can say is that to some degree disbelief appears to be a luxury.</p>
<p>We even saw this a little bit in our data&mdash;the more income you have, the more freedom you feel to question and to be honest with parents and siblings and children, etc. You can just imagine that if you are financially independent and you don&#8217;t have to worry about losing your job and you don&#8217;t have to worry about being written out of an inheritance, you might feel the freedom to inquire without reservation a little bit more than somebody who&#8217;s got a job that may be associated with the church, and who needs that inheritance, and who can&#8217;t afford to sever social ties that the church might benefit them from.</p>
<p>So, I also think that if we were to do sort of a multi-factorial analysis&mdash;what is the person&#8217;s spouse like, are they open-minded or are they kind of rigid and harsh and dogmatic? That might be a factor in whether someone&#8217;s really willing to look honestly at the data. What happens when they look honestly is a totally separate question, but I think there are factors in one&#8217;s environment that are going to make it more or less likely that they can actually look objectively at the data.</p>
<p>Other factors might include&#8230; Just imagine if you are making $30,000 a year, struggling to raise your kids, maybe you&#8217;re a single mom, and your ward is just this critical social support for you&mdash;and you enjoy it&mdash;your interests in actually looking at the data objectively are going to be very different. So, I think those are sort of the barriers to just being able to look at things objectively.</p></blockquote>
<p>At first I thought that John was being evasive; he didn&#8217;t really answer my question which was how people can study the same data and come to differing conclusions. (There was actually a <a href="http://www.fairblog.org/2009/02/12/same-process-different-outcome/">very good discussion</a> relative to my question a few years ago on the FAIR blog.) What John did, however, was seem to answer a different question: What do you think are roadblocks to people actually &#8220;seeing the truth&#8221; about Mormonism?</p>
<p>Of course, that is not a question that I would have asked, as it presumes in its very asking that Mormonism is not what it claims to be and that if we can but remove the roadblocks to understanding, people will inevitably come to their own conclusions about the falsity of those claims. After all, John prefaced his response by recognizing his own bias as one who has lost faith.</p>
<p>It seems to me that a common ailment of those who lose their faith after study is that they look at those who maintain their faith after the same study as somehow dishonest and lacking objectivity. They see in others a lack of what they imagine in themselves&mdash;after all, they have only gone where the facts have led them, and to reach any other conclusion is <i>prima facia</i> evidence of a problem or defect in the other.</p>
<p>So I thought I would pose the question here that John raises in the middle of his answer; the one that he seems to obliquely answer by his own faith journey: What happens when a person looks honestly at the facts or issues of Mormonism? Does honesty demand that such questions inevitably lead to a loss of faith, or can one be honest and remain a member of the church?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Parker</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An inquiry came to FAIR&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/contact.php">Ask the Apologist</a>&#8221; service this morning, asking for help with the following claim on the Wikipedia article &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Hebrew_names">Linguistics and the Book of Mormon</a>”:</p>
<blockquote><p>Richard Packham has pointed out that several Biblical Hebrew names, including Aaron, Ephraim, and Levi are listed as Jaredites in the Book of Ether. He argues that these are anachronisms, since the Jaredites are supposed to have originated from the time of the Tower of Babel, and did not speak Hebrew.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perennial ex-Mormon gadfly Richard Packham apparently fails to understand that the Book of Mormon is a <em>translation</em>, and translations render ancient words — including names — into modern forms that didn&#8217;t exist at the time.</p>
<p><span id="more-2782"></span>For example, in the New Testament, there are <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/james?lang=eng">several individuals named &#8220;James&#8221;</a>, including an apostle and a bishop of Jerusalem. However, there was no name &#8220;James&#8221; in Greek during the first century A.D.; that word is a <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=James&amp;allowed_in_frame=0">late-twelfth century Middle English form</a> of the late Latin <em>Jacomus</em>, which itself derives from old Latin <em>Jacobus</em>. All of these are translations of the Koine Greek ιακωβον (<em>Iakobos</em>), which is a Greek version of the Hebrew יעקב (<em>Ya&#8217;aqob</em>), which itself is typically rendered in English as &#8220;Jacob.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Packham could also argue — erroneously — that the presence of &#8220;James&#8221; in the New Testament is an anachronism, since its Greek-speaking authors did not know Middle English.</p>
<p>When Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, he naturally would have rendered ancient names into equivalent English forms that modern readers would understand.</p>
<p>Once again, for the record: The Book of Mormon is a <em>translation</em>. The presence of English (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Anachronisms/Language/%22Adieu%22">or even French</a>) words in it does not mean that its writers knew English; only that Joseph Smith, the translator did.</p>
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<p><strong>ADDITIONAL:</strong></p>
<p>A possible response to the above could be, &#8220;What about Book of Mormon names like <em>Nephi</em>, <em>Abinadi</em>, and <em>Korihor</em>? Those aren&#8217;t in the Bible and appear to be Nephite words — or at least examples of Joseph Smith <em>not </em>borrowing from the Bible.&#8221;</p>
<p>To that I would answer that translation of a proper name is often left to the discretion of the translator. I have heard Spanish speakers refer to me, in Spanish, as either <em>Mike</em> or <em>Miguel</em>, depending on their preference.</p>
<p>More to the point, there are numerous examples from the Bible where the translators chose to use transliterated versions of the original Greek or Hebrew name, or picked an English equivalent.</p>
<p>For example, the New Testament names <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/john/3.1?lang=eng">Nicodemus</a> (νικοδημος / <em>Nikodemos</em>), <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/john/20.24?lang=eng#23">Didymus</a> (διδυμος / <em>Didumos</em>), and <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/rom/16.7?lang=eng#6">Andronicus</a> (ανδρονικον / <em>Andronikos</em>) are all pretty close approximations of the Greek original, while names like <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/4.21?lang=eng#20">John</a> (ιωαννην / <em>Ioannes</em>) and even <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/1.16?lang=eng#15">Jesus</a> (ιησους / <em>Iesous</em>) are heavily anglicized.</p>
<p>The King James translators were even inconsistent on rending the same person&#8217;s name the same way: The English name <em>Paul</em> in Greek is παυλος (<em>Paulos</em>). In the KJV this is almost always rendered &#8220;Paul,&#8221; except in <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/acts/13.7?lang=eng#6">Acts 13:7</a> where it is transliterated &#8220;Paulus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Likewise the name ιουδας, which is usually transliterated as &#8220;<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/10.4?lang=eng#3">Judas</a>&#8221; in the New Testament, and is Greek version of the Hebrew <em>Judah.</em> As it so happens, <em>Judas</em> came to be infamously associated with Judas Iscariot, the betrayer of the Lord. Because of this, all other references to ιουδας in the New Testament are rendered in some other fashion, even though they&#8217;re the same Greek word: Either &#8220;<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/mark/6.3?lang=eng#2">Juda</a>&#8221; (8×), &#8220;<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/heb/8.8?lang=eng#7">Judah</a>&#8221; (1×), or &#8220;<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/jude/1.1?lang=eng">Jude</a>&#8221; (1×). The latter is, of course, the title of the penultimate book in the New Testament; the author&#8217;s name is the same as Judas Iscariot&#8217;s, but, to avoid confusion, the English rendition in the KJV and virtually all subsequent English translations has been &#8220;Jude.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, as a translator, Joseph Smith would have been free (or perhaps inspired) to use a transliteration of a name like <em><a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/47.13?lang=eng#12">Amalickiah</a></em>, or an anglicized equivalent of an ancient name, even one with Greek roots like <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/19.4?lang=eng#3"><em>Timothy</em></a>.</p>
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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 85: Foundations of fundamentalist polygamy</title>
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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 84: Journey of Faith: The New World</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a collection of audio clips from the 2007 movie entitled &#8220;Journey of Faith: The New World,&#8221; directed by Peter Johnson and produced by the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies. Thoughtful insights from 32 top scholars continue the journey into the Book of Mormon&#8217;s thousand-year span, aiding understanding of this sacred text. [...]]]></description>
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<p>Thoughtful insights from 32 top scholars continue the journey into the Book of Mormon&#8217;s thousand-year span, aiding understanding of this sacred text. Mormon&#8217;s description of the land, religious history, culture, and traditions create a fascinating mosaic. Stunningly beautiful images filmed on location in Guatemala and Mexico combined with the art of Joseph Brickey illuminate the right culture of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>The video includes audio tracks in English, Spanish, and Portuguese. Special features address specific topics such as the law of Moses and the Book of Mormon, DNA and the Book of Mormon, language and the Book of Mormon, metal in Book of Mormon lands, and more.  The full video runs approximately 90 minutes and can be purchased at the <a href="http://bookstore.fairlds.org/product.php?id_product=598">FAIR Bookstore</a>.</p>
<p>These clips were posted by permission of the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship.</p>
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The video includes audio tracks in English, Spanish, and Portuguese. Special features address specific topics such as the law of Moses and the Book of Mormon, DNA and the Book of Mormon, language and the Book of Mormon, metal in Book of Mormon lands, and more.  The full video runs approximately 90 minutes and can be purchased at the FAIR Bookstore.

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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 83: The Book of Mormon as World Literature</title>
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<p>FAIR member Kerry Shirts shares the insights he has gained into the study of the Book of Mormon as world literature as it has been made more possible through the Book of Mormon Critical Text project conducted by Royal Skousen.</p>
<p>This is part of a YouTube series Brother Shirts has posted as The Backyard Professor. Brother Shirts loves to study and was first called the “Backyard Professor” by his wife because he takes his books everywhere with him. The video of this audio recording can be viewed <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZwiiVw9luQ">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Sally Hemings and the Gods Themselves</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens [Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain] —     Friedrich Schiller, The Maid of Orléans The vicarious temple ordinances performed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the “Mormons”) are back in the news.  This time, it is because someone has reportedly sealed Sally Hemings to [...]]]></description>
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<p align="center">[Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain]</p>
<p align="center">—     Friedrich Schiller, <em>The Maid of Orléans</em></p>
<p>The vicarious temple ordinances performed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the “Mormons”) are back in the news.  This time, it is because someone has reportedly sealed Sally Hemings to Thomas Jefferson. (Hemings was a slave owned by Jefferson.  She bore children that have Jefferson DNA.  [1])</p>
<p>As usually happens with such things, the media and the blogosphere are a-bubble.  Some are well-intentioned expressions of concern, others are ill-informed, and some seem to just want to pile on and make the Church look bad, or use this as an opportunity to push their own reforming agenda on the Church.</p>
<p>The unspoken assumption seems to be that the Church can be “shamed” or at least “public-pressured” into “doing the right thing.”  In this case, the right thing would presumably be not performing vicarious sealing of slaves to former masters.  (The more hostile want temple work vastly curtailed or stopped altogether, but we’ll leave them to one side—it isn’t going to happen.)</p>
<p>This is not, however, simply one more case of “Mormon institutional insensitivity” to go with performing temple rites for Holocaust victims (despite what some have suggested).  LDS policy forbids performing Holocaust victims’ temple rites.  The people who did so had to circumvent fairly significant warnings and technological obstacles to do so.  (Those obstacles have since been increased even further.)</p>
<p>Likewise, it has never been LDS policy to seek out female slaves and seal them to their former masters and/or rapists.</p>
<p>Now, I wholeheartedly endorse the idea of not sealing slaves to masters.  The idea is obscene.  I don’t know any sensible person that would endorse it.  And that, unfortunately, is precisely the problem—I said <em>sensible </em>person.</p>
<p>Let me explain.</p>
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">No sensible person</span></strong></p>
<p>I’ve been in the Church for nearly forty years, in two languages, on both sides of North America, in Europe, and a few other places.  I have never heard, been taught, or read that we ought to be sealing slaves to former masters.  Never.  At all.  There is no “slave and master record extraction program.”</p>
<p>I also don’t know anyone else who has heard such things taught, likely for the simple reason that it never has been.  I do know of one case, however, in which a member announced that her family wanted to seal Jefferson to Hemings.  Despite the ward family history representative pointing out (with some heat) that this was contrary to Church policy, the member persisted in thinking this was a good idea.  I don’t know if she succeeded, but apparently someone of a similar bent did.</p>
<p>Now, be honest: we’ve all met this person in <em>any </em>reasonably large group or organization, especially if the group is a voluntary association. He or she is part of the human condition—the one who does or says something that makes everyone else cringe and wonder, “What was he thinking?”  And, some people do this more spectacularly—or more frequently—than others.</p>
<p>If you haven’t met him, please write and tell me—I might just move to your area.</p>
<p>Or, you might be him.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Feeling Sheepish</span></strong></p>
<p>I was once complaining to my father (with less charity than I ought to have had) about one particular specimen.  He told me a story.</p>
<p>You see, my great-grandfather owned a farm in the foothills of Alberta.  Every summer, Dad would go there to work.  One of his jobs was herding sheep.  This summer activity gave him a slightly different twist on Jesus’ label of us as his sheep.</p>
<p>The sheep my Dad tended seemed determined to conspire in their own deaths.  They were always getting lost, stuck, and according to him would have followed each other off a cliff if given half the chance.</p>
<p>So, he told me, whenever he now hears Jesus’ command to “Feed my sheep,” he thinks back to the herd he had on the farm, and hears an admonition to, among other things, “Look after the dummies.”</p>
<p>I don’t know if that’s what Jesus intended, but it’s a sort of “liken it unto ourselves” perspective that I’ve found useful.</p>
<p>In saying this, I don’t mean to imply that these people are stupid, or intellectually challenged—they can be bright or dim, just like anyone else can.</p>
<p>But, sometimes we just seem to have blinders on our common sense.  We have difficulty understanding how others will see things, and we tend to charge on blithely regardless.  We should simply count ourselves lucky if our own areas of dumbness aren’t presently on public display, causing unintended harm to the Church we love, and offense where none was intended.</p>
<p>And so, this is the big problem with the expectation of some in the media and blogosphere: they seem to think that if the Church would just teach and train members better, things like sealing Sally Hemings to Thomas Jefferson would be stopped.  (Others quickly decide that nothing can be done, and the whole temple project should be shut down—which, I repeat, is never going to happen.)</p>
<p>But, the problem is not that Church leaders and members don’t care about such things—almost all care very much, since doing such things contravenes policy and doctrine.</p>
<p>The problem is that these things are done by a very small percentage of Mormons.  And, they are the percentage who are <em>least </em>likely to listen when told they aren’t supposed to do something—as the case I mention above illustrates.  Tell them not to do it, and some people just dig in their heels.  Maybe you or I have even done something similar when we were convinced we were right about something.</p>
<p>When in this mindset, you and I are also the least likely to, say, read angry blogs about the matter, and decide we need to change our behavior.  Sometimes, people just don’t get it.[2]</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">The Body of Christ</span></strong></p>
<p>One could speculate about the psychology or psychiatry involved, but that’s not the issue.</p>
<p>What is important is that as members of the Church, we’re not to reject or cast people out when they do something like this and make everyone else look bad.    People are not clueless or insensitive just in matters of temple work—sadly, someone among us will struggle in just about any area of their lives.  We all do.  If you haven’t had the experience of putting your foot in your mouth, or doing something you thought was a good idea, only to have it blow up in your face—well, you just aren’t paying attention.</p>
<p>But, if people with these types of troubles cannot be loved, accepted despite their faults, and welcomed in the Church of Jesus Christ, where can they be? Where can we be?  Where can I?</p>
<p>Members of the Church who <em>seem</em> to “have it all together,” are much more congenial to us.  But, as Paul emphasized, in the Church we really ought to treasure the “uncomely” or “shameful” parts of the body of Christ (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/1-cor/12.22-27?lang=eng#21">1 Cor. 12:22–27</a>).  And, that will be all of us at some point or another.  If we’re lucky, it won’t be front-page news.</p>
<p>None of us is perfect, and we’re all going to rub someone wrong at some point.  We’re all “sheep,” we all do stupid things, and we’re all dummies who need looking after sometimes.  Perhaps the greatest danger is to those who are more highly functional, because they can be tempted into a feeling of superiority, or frustration with the rest of us who don’t measure up to the standards they think people should meet.</p>
<p>We have, then, no grounds for feeling or being unkind or acting superior here.  I’m trying to explain how this sort of thing happens, and will likely <em>keep </em>happening occasionally despite all the teaching, training, and policies that get put in place.</p>
<p>The people who will need the message have a problem that just isn’t easily amenable to teaching, training, and policy.  If you have to be told that sealing slaves to masters is a bad idea, despite LDS policy and doctrine, you’re not likely to “get it” when you <em>are</em> told.  Or, you won’t remember.  Or you’ll think your case is an exception.</p>
<p>Sadly, as LDS temple work has become more publicized, the ability of a few to alienate many has just increased.</p>
<p>Besides, the dead are immune to offense or disturbance regardless&#8211;or at least I hope so.  If the Mormons are right, then the targets of misguided temple work have nothing to worry about—they aren’t bound to Thomas Jefferson or anyone else that they don’t accept with joy.  If the Mormons are wrong, then temple work is of no consequence anyway.</p>
<p>Ironically, those who accuse Mormon temple work of trying to “take over” or “speak for” the dead are themselves doing just that.  The Mormons are offering an ordinance which the dead must accept for it to be of any validity at all.  And, we’d like to do it privately—we don’t do it for worldly attention, praise, or to act triumphalistic.</p>
<p>Are the Mormons so potent or intrusive a force in the hereafter that our <em>faux pas</em> victimize and traumatize those who have gone before?  I suspect not—especially in the critics’ view, where LDS ordinances are of no value whatever.  It would be a strange kind of hell if the dear departed were forever at risk of being tormented or victimized by whatever random dumb thing some mortal somewhere said or did.</p>
<p>Some of those doing the complaining are, by contrast, getting outraged in behalf of the dead.  They’re putting words in the mouths of the dead, and insisting that these people need to be protected.  But, protected from what?</p>
<p>As for this world, and any offense caused the living, virtually all the Mormons <em>themselves</em> don’t want this sort of thing going on either.  So, why take offense when some few individuals do something forbidden by both policy and doctrine?  Those who expect perfection from humans are doomed to disappointment.  Let the appropriate Church department know if there’s a problem, but don’t assume bad faith and insensitivity on everyone&#8217;s part.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Apologies</span></strong></p>
<p>I regret what some few of our disobedient or clueless members did.  But, apologies from people about things they didn’t do (and tried to prevent) always strike me as cheap theatre, and altogether too easy.  If I offend, I want to apologize.  But, I won’t presume to do so on others’ behalf.</p>
<p>So, speaking only for myself, if you’re offended or upset, I can only say:</p>
<p><em>We get it.  We’re not happy about such things either.  But, we’re not going to just boot the people responsible.  Even if we could identify them, that would be the easy, and comfortable way out. We’re going to keep working with them, because they’re our brothers and sisters too, and need help and love more than almost anyone else. And, I might need it next time around.</em></p>
<p><em>I suspect technological barriers will prove the only effective way to decrease these sorts of incidents. The Church seems committed to on-going efforts to improve these strategies.  (We must remember the computer programmer’s adage, though—as soon as you make software foolproof, someone goes and invents a smarter fool.)  </em></p>
<p><em>So, some few will probably still slip through. (The Hemings/Jefferson sealing may be an </em>old <em>entry, though—the problem or loophole might not even exist now. People may be upset over something that happened years ago.)  </em></p>
<p><em>If you choose to be outraged each time it happens, you are going to spend a lot of time being upset over something you can’t control, caused by a miniscule fraction of LDS members.</em></p>
<p><em>If you have a way to keep dummies from occasionally doing silly things, you should let us know—and then market the method, because it would make a killing in industry, government, and PTA meetings.</em></p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Conclusion</span></strong></p>
<p>We’re doing our best to feed the sheep.  We know there are people doing dumb things.  Can’t be helped. We’re all labeled as “sheep,” which maybe ought to tell us something about our tendencies. But, we trust the Shepherd to get us all—member and non-member, living and dead, dummies all—safely home if we are willing.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Endnotes</span></strong></p>
<p>[1] [10 April 2012 edit] &#8211; The original article disputed Jefferson&#8217;s paternity, based upon  Robert F. Turner, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Jefferson-Hemings-Controversy-Scholars-Commission/dp/0890890854/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1333295172&amp;sr=8-1"><em>The Jefferson-Hemings Controversy:  Report of the Scholars Commission</em></a> (Carolina Academic Press, 2011 [2001].  This was unwise, and since my footnoted addendum didn&#8217;t make this clear enough, I&#8217;ve removed the sentence from the main article&#8211;I normally try to avoid this after-the-fact revision, but don&#8217;t want readers distracted by what is a peripheral (to my argument, not to Jefferson-Hemings scholarship) point.  I apologize, but have left the comments below intact.</p>
<p>[2] We also cannot ignore, I think, the possibility that at least some unauthorized entries in temple databases are the work of those who have malicious intent—they <em>want </em>the Church to look bad.  Here again, stopping them entirely is difficult if one wants to maintain a computer system that allows people all over the world to contribute to family history work and research.  Such things don’t work well in a climate of suspicion or paranoia.</p>
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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 82: Evidences for the Book of Mormon</title>
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<p>This is an audio version of the video presentation produced by FAIR that addresses some of the concerns raised by the film. FAIR&#8217;s video presentation can be viewed on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GfFTry88JM&amp;feature=plcp&amp;context=C4279fddVDvjVQa1PpcFPmZ8LIf97WBqGoSkdh3QtjNOP2VcPJpIs=">YouTube</a>.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>In 2005, a film was released titled: “The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon”. Produced by an evangelical Christian ministry, the primary purpose of the film was to present arguments against the authenticity of The Book of Mormon,</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>In 2005, a film was released titled: “The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon”. Produced by an evangelical Christian ministry, the primary purpose of the film was to present arguments against the authenticity of The Book of Mormon, a text sacred to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Members of the LDS Church believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon are authentic ancient scriptures revealed by God to prophets, and join with other Christians in proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

This is an audio version of the video presentation produced by FAIR that addresses some of the concerns raised by the film. FAIR's video presentation can be viewed on YouTube.</itunes:summary>
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		<title>City Creek Mall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra Hedelius</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salt Lake City, Utah was founded by leaders and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1847, as they arrived after a difficult overland trek to escape religious persecution. Over time, the church has grown from a small, regional group to a world-wide, thriving major religion. Likewise, the city has grown [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salt Lake City, Utah was founded by leaders and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1847, as they arrived after a difficult overland trek to escape religious persecution. Over time, the church has grown from a small, regional group to a world-wide, thriving major religion. Likewise, the city has grown into a major center of commerce and industry, with residents of many religions. Despite the broadened scope of each, a special relationship between the Church and its headquarter city remains.</p>
<p>Salt Lake City has faced many of the challenges common to cities: upper-income flight to the suburbs, aging infrastructure, an influx of low-income residents with heavier claims on public services, decreased economic vitality, and increased crime. Like many cities, Salt Lake City has sought to attract businesses in order to provide jobs for residents and prevent the degradation of the city environment.</p>
<p>The Church has shared the city&#8217;s concern for economic vitality, both out of concern for the residents&#8217; livelihoods and because of the Church&#8217;s downtown Temple Square which attracts thousands of visitors annually. Were Salt Lake City to suffer urban decay, these visitors would be affected.</p>
<p>In recent years the area around Temple Square in Salt Lake City looked likely to suffer exactly that fate. Many businesses had moved to other areas of the city and the area was becoming run down, decreasing the quality of life for residents.</p>
<p>The Church has responded in two ways. First, through its <a href="http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-inner-city-project-blesses-lives">Inner City Project</a>, the Church has assigned service missionaries to provide job training, transportation, and other help to inner-city Salt Lake City residents. The hope is that the city environment will benefit from residents who are less plagued by joblessness, health troubles, and feeling hopeless to rise economically. Second, the Church has invested in the City Creek Mall as an economic development project, in hopes that the construction and other jobs will provide opportunity for residents and that the new infrastructure will stave off urban decay.</p>
<p>Some criticize the church for its investment, judging that the funds could have been better spent elsewhere. (The total estimated cost of the project is $1.5 billion; it is not known how this was shared between the church and its development partner, The Taubman Company.)  These criticisms ignore the merits of the Church&#8217;s strategy&#8211;the City Creek Center addresses the roots of urban decay, and the Inner City Project addresses its symptoms. There are many places in the world with greater need&#8211;and the Church&#8217;s <a href="http://mormon.org/humanitarian-aid?gclid=CKPJhaqWiK8CFSyhtgodzH0__g">humanitarian programs</a> commit significant resources to them&#8211;but the Church shouldn&#8217;t be condemned for helping its own neighbors in the city to which it has special historical ties.</p>
<p>Whatever funds the Church spend on City Creek did not come from member tithes; the funds came from returns on church properties and investments. The Church owns these assets from the happy historical accident of acquiring them many decades ago and prudent management since then.</p>
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		<title>FAIR Questions 3: Sharing the Book of Mormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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<p><strong>And now for the question:</strong><strong></strong></p>
<p>I just want to start out by saying that I have the highest respect for all church apologists. I am 19 years old and just saving up some money before I send my papers in to serve a mission. I download the podcasts from FAIR and I listen to them all the time. I just want to say, thank you so much for everything you do. After having some questions of my own answered, my testimony has been strengthened beyond words. I have also been able to help others because of what I have learned from the podcasts and books I have read. I just want to ask a question from the point of view of someone who deals with non-members and apostate members on a daily basis: What is the best advice you can give me as a prospective missionary in regards to teaching people about The Book of Mormon? I know it&#8217;s a very general question, but if you could leave one ounce of your knowledge with me it would be a blessing to me!</p>
<p><strong>And now for the answer:</strong></p>
<p>Thank you for your kind words. We here at FAIR are not compensated monetarily. Our only &#8220;payment&#8221; is kind words of gratitude that we get from individuals such as you.</p>
<p>Congratulations on your decision to serve a mission! Although it will be challenging at times, it will be completely worth it.</p>
<p>Can you think of anything the world needs right now more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ?  Unfortunately, the world is extremely divided as to what is meant by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Bible alone, as magnificent as it is, has not united the believing world under one Lord, one faith or one baptism. In fact, it seems that the Bible itself has never come under more criticism or skepticism at any time since its inception than it is today. Many around the world are concluding that the Bible is irrelevant in their lives. They say that Jesus may have been just a legend or a mere myth which, over time, transformed him into a God in the minds of a group of people who came to call themselves Christians. The very value of scripture seems to be assailed constantly.</p>
<p>What if there was a record that shared a common genesis with the Biblical record, yet was maintained and revealed to us from a separate nation apart from Judea? What if another people, or several groups of people had preserved their own witness of the divinity of Christ? What would be its value to the world today? What if there was a volume of scripture, apart from the Bible, that bore witness of the foundational truths contained in the Bible? What if that volume came to us as a result of God calling a Prophet today to once again bear witness that Jesus is the very Eternal God manifesting Himself to all nations &#8211; a book that reminds us of the important promises and Covenants made long centuries ago, to a people long dead, which are being fulfilled in our day? Wouldn&#8217;t that go a long way toward showing that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and that he remembers his covenants to the children of men, and that no matter how long it seems to take to the human mind, He has not forgotten or forsaken his ancient promises?</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon was published in 1830 before Joseph Smith was even 25 years old. In a few short years you will be that same age. Even with all the educational advantages you will have between now and the time you are that age, can you imagine producing a volume like the Book of Mormon? Could you sit day after day in front of a scribe and recite endless passages of Isaiah, or even Jacob chapter 5? Could you speak for days in one long paragraph, without any double checking, without any punctuation, without any proof reading, and then submit the final product of hundreds of pages to a publisher?</p>
<p>Several months before the Book of Mormon was published, Section 4 of the Doctrine and Covenants was written. It is inspiring to note that this section was given by the young Prophet to his father, who had encouraged Joseph to listen to the Angel Moroni when Joseph had confided in him about the angel&#8217;s visit almost five years previously. Looking back over the nearly two hundred years since this revelation was given, its prophetic import is astounding:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now behold, a marvelous work is about to come forth among the children of men. Therefore, O ye that embark in the service of God, see that ye serve him with all your heart, might, mind and strength, that ye may stand blameless before God at the last day. For behold the field is white already to harvest: and lo, he that thrusteth in his sickle with his might, the same layeth up in store that he perisheth not, but bringeth salvation to his soul…. Ask and ye shall receive; knock and it shall be opened unto you, Amen.”</p>
<p>This revelation was given in February of 1829. The Church would not be officially established for over another year. Yet the young Prophet had the temerity to predict that this effort, the Restoration of the Gospel was going to result in a Marvelous Work. You live in a day and time where over a hundred Temples dot the earth, with dozens under construction. You are going on your mission at a time when there are nearly fourteen million people around the globe who are now members of the Church established by a twenty five year old Prophet and five other men on April 6th, 1830. Before you are much older, this Church will celebrate its Bicentennial. Who would have gambled on the chances of this movement in its infancy in February of 1829? Yet that is what young Joseph did. Why? Because he told the truth. He knew that God was behind the work he had begun and nothing was ultimately going to defeat it.</p>
<p>Section 5 of the Doctrine and Covenants was also written before the Book of Mormon was published. It tells us that there will be three other witnesses who will see the plates and bear witness to the world that they are real. They will affix their testimony to the volume and millions upon millions will read their words and know that they, not just Joseph, have actually seen the plates with their eyes and will bear solemn and consistent testimony that it is the work of God, and not man, as long as that work is published to the world.</p>
<p>What kind of audacity would it take for a complete fraud and a forger to make such a statement before the witnesses had seen the plates he supposedly didn&#8217;t have?  Imagine after making such a prediction in the absence of real plates, that you were to actually find three people to lie for you, stand by their testimonies despite the fact that they would all become estranged from you at some point, and who would never deny their testimonies regardless of suffering, persecution, loss of reputation and cruel mockery even decades after your untimely death at the hands of a mob? Where in the world can you find an instance where a confederacy of liars ever withstood such a test? What could possibly hold these witnesses to their word under the most trying circumstances even after the ring leader of the conspiracy was long dead and could no longer hold any influence over them?</p>
<p>When weighed in the balance, as incredible as it seems at first glance, the only consistent explanation for the success of this Church, and for the lives of the witnesses and most especially for the unshakeable testimony of Joseph Smith despite all the forces arrayed against him is, that the Book of Mormon is true. Every other explanation seems to wither with the test of time or persecution. No other explanation can account for the rise of this Church out of total obscurity to what it is today.</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon is tangible evidence for the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith. As Hugh Nibley once said, books don&#8217;t write themselves. Somebody had to have written the Book of Mormon. The question is whether it is ancient or modern. Critics who wish to dismiss Joseph Smith as a fraud must confront this book.</p>
<p>As Elder Jeffrey R. Holland recently <a href="http://lds.org/general-conference/2009/10/safety-for-the-soul?lang=eng&amp;query=safety+soul">said</a>:</p>
<p>“I testify that one cannot come to full faith in this latter-day work—and thereby find the fullest measure of peace and comfort in these, our times—until he or she embraces the divinity of the Book of Mormon and the Lord Jesus Christ, of whom it testifies. If anyone is foolish enough or misled enough to reject 531 pages of a heretofore unknown text teeming with literary and Semitic complexity without honestly attempting to account for the origin of those pages—especially without accounting for their powerful witness of Jesus Christ and the profound spiritual impact that witness has had on what is now tens of millions of readers—if that is the case, then such a person, elect or otherwise, has been deceived; and if he or she leaves this Church, it must be done by crawling over or under or around the Book of Mormon to make that exit. In that sense the book is what Christ Himself was said to be: ‘a stone of stumbling, … a rock of offence,&#8217;  a barrier in the path of one who wishes not to believe in this work. Witnesses, even witnesses who were for a time hostile to Joseph, testified to their death that they had seen an angel and had handled the plates. ‘They have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man,’ they declared. ‘Wherefore, we know of a surety that the work is true.’”</p>
<p>With regard to how to teach from and about the Book of Mormon, follow the suggestions that are found in the missionary manual Preach My Gospel. If your investigators have unusual or difficult questions, you can always refer them to our FAIRwiki where many of these kinds of questions are addressed. But remember that it is the Spirit that will convert people to the gospel. And the Spirit will confirm the testimony of Christ that is found in the Book of Mormon. Remember that the Book of Mormon has the potential, if it is read, to re-convert an unbelieving generation to Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Finally, always keep in mind that our witness is primarily the testimony of Christ and his apostles, that he died, was resurrected, and ascended to heaven, and that he will come again in glory. Everything else is merely an appendage to that witness. Keep that foremost in your mind as you engage both the honest in heart as well as the rest of the world, and it should be a great help to you.</p>
<p>If there is an issue that you have been wondering about, you can often find the latest answers at the FAIR wiki, found at <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Main_Page">fairmormon.org</a>. If you can&#8217;t find your answer there, feel free to pose your question to the FAIR apologists by visiting the <a href="http://www.fairlds.org/contact.php">FAIR contact page</a>. Occasionally, such a question will be featured on FAIR Questions. Before questions are used for this podcast, permission is obtained from the questioner.</p>
<p>FAIR Questions or comments about this episode can be sent to podcast@fairlds.org, or join the conversation at fairblog.org.</p>
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<p>The opinions expressed in this podcast are not necessarily the views of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or of FAIR.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>FAIR Questions features a question that was submitted to FAIR volunteers through the FAIR website at fairlds.org. The answer in each episode is compiled from the various responses provided by the volunteers.

And now for the question:

I just want to start out by saying that I have the highest respect for all church apologists. I am 19 years old and just saving up some money before I send my papers in to serve a mission. I download the podcasts from FAIR and I listen to them all the time. I just want to say, thank you so much for everything you do. After having some questions of my own answered, my testimony has been strengthened beyond words. I have also been able to help others because of what I have learned from the podcasts and books I have read. I just want to ask a question from the point of view of someone who deals with non-members and apostate members on a daily basis: What is the best advice you can give me as a prospective missionary in regards to teaching people about The Book of Mormon? I know it's a very general question, but if you could leave one ounce of your knowledge with me it would be a blessing to me!

And now for the answer:

Thank you for your kind words. We here at FAIR are not compensated monetarily. Our only "payment" is kind words of gratitude that we get from individuals such as you.

Congratulations on your decision to serve a mission! Although it will be challenging at times, it will be completely worth it.

Can you think of anything the world needs right now more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ?  Unfortunately, the world is extremely divided as to what is meant by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Bible alone, as magnificent as it is, has not united the believing world under one Lord, one faith or one baptism. In fact, it seems that the Bible itself has never come under more criticism or skepticism at any time since its inception than it is today. Many around the world are concluding that the Bible is irrelevant in their lives. They say that Jesus may have been just a legend or a mere myth which, over time, transformed him into a God in the minds of a group of people who came to call themselves Christians. The very value of scripture seems to be assailed constantly.

What if there was a record that shared a common genesis with the Biblical record, yet was maintained and revealed to us from a separate nation apart from Judea? What if another people, or several groups of people had preserved their own witness of the divinity of Christ? What would be its value to the world today? What if there was a volume of scripture, apart from the Bible, that bore witness of the foundational truths contained in the Bible? What if that volume came to us as a result of God calling a Prophet today to once again bear witness that Jesus is the very Eternal God manifesting Himself to all nations - a book that reminds us of the important promises and Covenants made long centuries ago, to a people long dead, which are being fulfilled in our day? Wouldn't that go a long way toward showing that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and that he remembers his covenants to the children of men, and that no matter how long it seems to take to the human mind, He has not forgotten or forsaken his ancient promises?

The Book of Mormon was published in 1830 before Joseph Smith was even 25 years old. In a few short years you will be that same age. Even with all the educational advantages you will have between now and the time you are that age, can you imagine producing a volume like the Book of Mormon? Could you sit day after day in front of a scribe and recite endless passages of Isaiah, or even Jacob chapter 5? Could you speak for days in one long paragraph, without any double checking, without any punctuation, without any proof reading, and then submit the final product of hundreds of pages to a publisher?

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		<description><![CDATA[I went to see John Carter of Mars last night (bear with me&#8230; this is actually NOT off-topic from apologetics), and the theater was gracious enough to give me a (virtually) private screening in 3D. Loved the movie (although apparently no one else does, and my teenage kids refused to come with me, saying all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to see John Carter of Mars last night (bear with me&#8230; this is actually NOT off-topic from apologetics), and the theater was gracious enough to give me a (virtually) private screening in 3D. <img src='http://www.fairblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Loved the movie (although apparently no one else does, and my teenage kids refused to come with me, saying all their friends hated it…).</p>
<p>But (believe it or not) I actually mentioned this movie in my home teaching message earlier this month about prophets, and the role of prophets.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Well John Carter is really over-the-top fantasy. Mars does not look like this, as we all know. But we need to remember that the first John Carter story was written 100 years ago. This was only 20 years or so after an Italian astronomer looked through a telescope at Mars and thought he saw canali (it means channels, but it got translated into English as canals). Everyone thought that he had seen signs of civilization on Mars. This included Percival Lowell, the top astronomer in the United States at that time. So when Edgar Rice Burroughs took to his typewriter a few years later to write fantasy tales about this Mars, he was building off of the best scientific evidence of the day. It was not utter fantasy, in other words.</p>
<p>And this is decades AFTER Brigham Young had speculated about men on the moon or men on the sun. So while BY may look foolish today, and generates reams of hilarity penned by the antis, he would not have looked foolish in his own day (and in fact in all the anti-Mormon hysteria generated in those days, nobody ever remarked on Brigham Young&#8217;s silly non-scientific ideas), and not for a generation or two afterward either.</p>
<p>I brought all this up to my home teaching families. Prophets are not supposed to be super-scientists. But I said the antis will object anyway, saying that prophets cannot make scientific mistakes like that, even if the world does not know better, because God would tell them how the universe really works.</p>
<p>But would He really, I asked. Did God tell Isaiah that you cannot stop the sun and make it go backward 15 degrees? Did God tell Moses and Abraham about quantum theory? Or disabuse them of the notion that the Heavens are a dome over the world? Well, if not, what DOES he tell prophets? The short answer is that He tells prophets how to guide the people through the perils of the day. Specifically, I mentioned the Church Presidency message on lds.org that changes several times a week, with messages on such topics as civility in politics, or generosity and moderation in dealing with immigration.</p>
<p>Surely this is more important than knowing whether there really are canals on Mars, and populated by beautiful Martian princesses waiting to be saved by dashing Confederate cavalry officers… <img src='http://www.fairblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 80: The controversy surrounding Mormon baptisms for the dead</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 18, 2012, Martin Tanner and Steve Densley, Jr. of FAIR discuss the recent controversy regarding the practice of baptisms for the dead as practiced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. How did this controversy arise? Why do Mormons perform this ordinance? Were [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 18, 2012, Martin Tanner and Steve Densley, Jr. of FAIR discuss the recent controversy regarding the practice of baptisms for the dead as practiced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. How did this controversy arise? Why do Mormons perform this ordinance? Were baptisms for the dead really practiced in the ancient Church? These and other topics are discussed.</p>
<p>This recording was used by permission of KSL Radio and does not necessarily represent the views of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or of FAIR.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 18, 2012, Martin Tanner and Steve Densley, Jr. of FAIR discuss the recent controversy regarding the practice of baptisms for the dead as practiced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. How did this controversy arise? Why do Mormons perform this ordinance? Were baptisms for the dead really practiced in the ancient Church? These and other topics are discussed.

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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 79: Does Mitt Romney belong to a “racist religion”?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 11, 2012, Martin Tanner and the president of FAIR, Scott Gordon, discuss the recent allegation of a Florida minister that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a &#8220;racist religion.&#8221; The minister has called on Mitt Romney to, as the minister puts it: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 11, 2012, Martin Tanner and the president of FAIR, Scott Gordon, discuss the recent allegation of a Florida minister that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a &#8220;racist religion.&#8221; The minister has called on Mitt Romney to, as the minister puts it: &#8220;openly renounce his racist Mormon Religion.&#8221; Tanner and Gordon discuss the past history of racism that was pervasive in many Churches, even before the founding of the LDS Church, and the way in which some racist attitudes and myths may have crept into the thinking of some early members of the Church. They emphasize the more recent statements from the Church that &#8220;unequivocally condemn[] racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.&#8221; (See Official Statement <a href="http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/race-church">here</a>.)</p>
<p>Listeners should note that the first part of this recording was cut off. This recording was used by permission of KSL Radio and does not necessarily represent the views of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or of FAIR.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>In this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on March 11, 2012, Martin Tanner and the president of FAIR, Scott Gordon, discuss the recent allegation of a Florida minister that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a "racist religion." The minister has called on Mitt Romney to, as the minister puts it: "openly renounce his racist Mormon Religion." Tanner and Gordon discuss the past history of racism that was pervasive in many Churches, even before the founding of the LDS Church, and the way in which some racist attitudes and myths may have crept into the thinking of some early members of the Church. They emphasize the more recent statements from the Church that "unequivocally condemn[] racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church." (See Official Statement here.)

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		<title>“FAIR Conversations,” Episode 16: Max Mueller, on blacks and the priesthood</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most recent public discussion on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and race was spurred by the comments of a BYU religious education professor which were published in the Washington Post. Professor Randy Bott related justifications for the ban which included ideas about the curse of Cain, and the restriction being a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright" src="https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/index.jpg" alt="" width="222" height="148" />The most recent public discussion on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and race was spurred by the comments of a BYU religious education professor which were published in the <em><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-genesis-of-a-churchs-stand-on-race/2012/02/22/gIQAQZXyfR_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop">Washington Post</a></em>. Professor Randy Bott related justifications for the ban which included ideas about the curse of Cain, and the restriction being a means of divine protection. An official response from the LDS Church quickly appeared online at <a href="http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/racial-remarks-in-washington-post-article">mormonnewsroom.org</a>. It read, in part:</p>
<blockquote><p>The positions attributed to BYU professor Randy Bott in a recent Washington Post article absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints&#8230;.The Church’s position is clear—we believe all people are God’s children and are equal in His eyes and in the Church. We do not tolerate racism in any form&#8230;We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.</p></blockquote>
<p>Max Mueller, a Ph.D. candidate in religious history at Harvard University, wrote a response for <em><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2012/03/mormon_church_and_racism_a_new_controversy_about_old_teachings_.html">Slate</a> </em>which stated:</p>
<blockquote><p>For many Mormons, reading Bott’s words was like unearthing a theological dinosaur long thought extinct but suddenly rediscovered in the corner of an obscure BYU office. His positions seem radically out of place in a modern church with an international membership that includes probably some 500,000 Mormons of African descent. The church’s expensive and ubiquitous “I’m a Mormon” public relations campaign has been carefully and deliberately multiethnic; Mormon leaders want the world to view the religion as the diverse global community it has become. Unfortunately, Bott’s beliefs, though arcane, represent a strain of Mormonism that has persisted well past the 1978 revelation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mueller, also the associate editor of a forthcoming online journal called &#8220;Religion &amp; Politics,&#8221; joins host Blair Hodges for the latest episode of FAIR Conversations.</p>
<p><em>The views expressed by Mr. Mueller here or elsewhere do not necessarily represent the views of FAIR or of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Questions or comments about this episode can be sent to <a title="Linkification: mailto:podcast@fairlds.org" href="mailto:podcast@fairlds.org">podcast@fairlds.org</a>. Or, join the conversation in the comments here. </em></p>
<p><strong>Runtime: </strong>89:51</p>
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<p>Apologies for the occasional sound pops in this episode, production was a bit rushed. See also the FAIR Blog posts by <a href="http://www.fairblog.org/2012/02/28/dispelling-the-myth-of-the-curse-of-cain/">Mike Parker</a> and <a href="http://www.fairblog.org/2012/02/25/three-mormon-myths-about-blacks-and-the-priesthood/">Scott Gordon</a> which also include links to other discussions on this subject.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>The most recent public discussion on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and race was spurred by the comments of a BYU religious education professor which were published in the Washington Post. Professor Randy Bott related justifications for the ban which included ideas about the curse of Cain, and the restriction being a means of divine protection. An official response from the LDS Church quickly appeared online at mormonnewsroom.org. It read, in part:
The positions attributed to BYU professor Randy Bott in a recent Washington Post article absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints....The Church’s position is clear—we believe all people are God’s children and are equal in His eyes and in the Church. We do not tolerate racism in any form...We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.
Max Mueller, a Ph.D. candidate in religious history at Harvard University, wrote a response for Slate which stated:
For many Mormons, reading Bott’s words was like unearthing a theological dinosaur long thought extinct but suddenly rediscovered in the corner of an obscure BYU office. His positions seem radically out of place in a modern church with an international membership that includes probably some 500,000 Mormons of African descent. The church’s expensive and ubiquitous “I’m a Mormon” public relations campaign has been carefully and deliberately multiethnic; Mormon leaders want the world to view the religion as the diverse global community it has become. Unfortunately, Bott’s beliefs, though arcane, represent a strain of Mormonism that has persisted well past the 1978 revelation.
Mueller, also the associate editor of a forthcoming online journal called "Religion &amp; Politics," joins host Blair Hodges for the latest episode of FAIR Conversations.

The views expressed by Mr. Mueller here or elsewhere do not necessarily represent the views of FAIR or of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Questions or comments about this episode can be sent to podcast@fairlds.org. Or, join the conversation in the comments here. 

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		<title>“FAIR Conversations,” Episode 15: Matthew Bowman on his new book, “The Mormon People”</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latest, greatest one-volume history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was published just in time for Mitt Romney&#8217;s 2012 presidential bid. It&#8217;s Matthew Bowman&#8217;s The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith. He&#8217;s been all over the place since the book came out, including appearances in Slate, the Huffington Post, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright" src="http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab192/lifeongoldplates/765587.jpg" alt="" width="246" height="371" />The latest, greatest one-volume history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was published just in time for Mitt Romney&#8217;s 2012 presidential bid. It&#8217;s Matthew Bowman&#8217;s <em><a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/book/217383/the-mormon-people-by-matthew-bowman">The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith</a>.</em> He&#8217;s been all over the place since the book came out, including appearances in <em><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2012/02/the_book_of_mormon_and_angels_in_america_compared_what_both_get_wrong_about_mormonism.html">Slate</a>, </em>the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-bowman/5-things-you-should-know-about-mormons_b_1253235.html">Huffington Post</a>, the <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2012/0301/Author-Matthew-Bowman-talks-about-the-Mormon-moment">Christian Science Monitor</a>, and on MSNBC&#8217;s <a href="http://video.app.msn.com/watch/video/author-mormonism-not-weirder-just-newer-than-other-religions/67nul3u">Morning Joe</a>.</p>
<p>In this episode, Bowman talks about the genesis and production of his new book. Find out why he describes Bruce R. McConkie as a &#8220;Progressive-minded&#8221; leader, and why he sees the LDS Correlation department as being a sort of &#8220;catechism&#8221; constructor. We also discuss Bowman&#8217;s view of how the media has treated Mormonism during this, the latest of many Mormon moments.</p>
<p>Bowman earned his Ph.D. in American religious history at Georgetown University. He currently teaches that exact subject at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia. He&#8217;s also the associate editor of <em>Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought </em>and the author of a variety of award-winning articles on Mormonism.</p>
<p><em>Questions or comments about this episode can be sent to <a title="Linkification: mailto:podcast@fairlds.org" href="mailto:podcast@fairlds.org">podcast@fairlds.org</a>. Or, join the conversation in the comments here. </em></p>
<p><strong>Runtime: </strong>69:48</p>
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		<itunes:summary>The latest, greatest one-volume history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was published just in time for Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential bid. It's Matthew Bowman's The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith. He's been all over the place since the book came out, including appearances in Slate, the Huffington Post, the Christian Science Monitor, and on MSNBC's Morning Joe.

In this episode, Bowman talks about the genesis and production of his new book. Find out why he describes Bruce R. McConkie as a "Progressive-minded" leader, and why he sees the LDS Correlation department as being a sort of "catechism" constructor. We also discuss Bowman's view of how the media has treated Mormonism during this, the latest of many Mormon moments.

Bowman earned his Ph.D. in American religious history at Georgetown University. He currently teaches that exact subject at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia. He's also the associate editor of Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought and the author of a variety of award-winning articles on Mormonism.

Questions or comments about this episode can be sent to podcast@fairlds.org. Or, join the conversation in the comments here. 

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		<title>FAIR Issues 32: A Lutheran bishop’s perspective on Mormon baptism for the dead</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead has been the subject of heated discussion of late by many who seem to not understand the practice. Suprisingly, one of the most sympathetic views of this ancient practice come from an eminent New Testament scholar named Krister Stendahl. Professor Stendahl served as chaplain and dean of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DanPeterson.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1451" title="DanPeterson" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DanPeterson-300x241.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="241" /></a>The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead has been the subject of heated discussion of late by many who seem to not understand the practice. Suprisingly, one of the most sympathetic views of this ancient practice come from an eminent New Testament scholar named Krister Stendahl. Professor Stendahl served as chaplain and dean of Harvard Divinity School and as the Lutheran bishop of Stockholm (i.e., effectively, as the head of the state church of Sweden). Professor Daniel Peterson shares how Professor Stendahl became the author of the article on baptism for the dead in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism.</p>
<p>The articles referenced by Dr. Peterson include: 1) &#8220;Salvation for the Dead in Early Christianity,&#8221; by Roger D. Cook, David L. Paulsen and Kendel J. Christensen; 2) &#8220;Baptism for the Dead in Early Christianity,&#8221; by David L. Paulsen and Brock M. Mason; 3) &#8220;Redeeming the Dead: Tender Mercies, Turning of Hearts, and Restoration of Authority,&#8221; by David L. Paulsen, Kendel J. Christensen and Martin Pulido; and 4) &#8220;Redemption of the Dead: Continuing Revelation after Joseph Smith,&#8221; by David L. Paulsen, Judson Burton, Kendel J. Christensen and Martin Pulido. The first three are accessible online at <a href="http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/" target="_blank">maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/</a>; the most recent article is available in print, but hasn&#8217;t yet been put online.</p>
<p>Dr. Peterson also referenced the video entitled <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x_-TQivCx8" target="_blank">&#8220;Why Mormons Build Temples.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>The full text of this article can be found at <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/765553203/A-Lutheran-bishops-perspective-on-Mormon-baptism-for-the-dead.html">Deseret News online</a>.</p>
<p>Daniel C. Peterson is a professor of Islamic studies and Arabic at BYU, where he also serves as editor in chief of the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative and as director of advancement for the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship. He is the founder of MormonScholarsTestify.org. Daniel Peterson is the author of many books and articles, including Offenders for a Word, which is available, along with other talks by Brother Peterson, at the <a onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-article','http://bookstore.fairlds.org']);" href="http://bookstore.fairlds.org/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=45http://bookstore.fairlds.org/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=45">FAIR Bookstore</a>.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead has been the subject of heated discussion of late by many who seem to not understand the practice. Suprisingly, one of the most sympathetic views of this ancient practice come from an eminent New Testament sc...</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead has been the subject of heated discussion of late by many who seem to not understand the practice. Suprisingly, one of the most sympathetic views of this ancient practice come from an eminent New Testament scholar named Krister Stendahl. Professor Stendahl served as chaplain and dean of Harvard Divinity School and as the Lutheran bishop of Stockholm (i.e., effectively, as the head of the state church of Sweden). Professor Daniel Peterson shares how Professor Stendahl became the author of the article on baptism for the dead in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism.

The articles referenced by Dr. Peterson include: 1) "Salvation for the Dead in Early Christianity," by Roger D. Cook, David L. Paulsen and Kendel J. Christensen; 2) "Baptism for the Dead in Early Christianity," by David L. Paulsen and Brock M. Mason; 3) "Redeeming the Dead: Tender Mercies, Turning of Hearts, and Restoration of Authority," by David L. Paulsen, Kendel J. Christensen and Martin Pulido; and 4) "Redemption of the Dead: Continuing Revelation after Joseph Smith," by David L. Paulsen, Judson Burton, Kendel J. Christensen and Martin Pulido. The first three are accessible online at maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/; the most recent article is available in print, but hasn't yet been put online.

Dr. Peterson also referenced the video entitled "Why Mormons Build Temples."

The full text of this article can be found at Deseret News online.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In connection with Mitt Romney&#8217;s Mormon faith, the <a href="http://www.blacklds.org/priesthood" target="_blank">priesthood ban</a> is getting a lot of attention from the media again.</p>
<p>The most recent turn <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-genesis-of-a-churchs-stand-on-race/2012/02/22/gIQAQZXyfR_story.html">comes from <em>The Washington Post</em>, where reporter Jason Horowitz interviews Darius Gray</a> and other black Latter-day Saints about their experience with and feelings about the ban. Searching for a theological explanation for the ban, Horowitz contacted BYU associate professor <a href="http://religion.byu.edu/randy_bott" target="_blank">Randy Bott</a>. Horowitz paraphrases Bott:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to Mormon scriptures, the descendants of Cain, who slew his brother Abel, “were black.” One of Cain’s descendants was Egyptus, a woman Mormons believe was the namesake of Egypt. She married Ham, whose descendants were themselves cursed and, in the view of many Mormons, barred from the priesthood by his father, Noah. Bott points to the Mormon holy text, the Book of Abraham, as suggesting that all of the descendents of Ham and Egyptus were thus black and barred from the priesthood.</p></blockquote>
<p>Professor Bott&#8217;s explanation is an example of how doctrinal folklore continues to be taught by well-meaning members of the Church. Ironically, the dubious “folk doctrine” in question is no longer even relevant, since it was created to explain a Church policy that was reversed nearly thirty-four years ago.<span id="more-2638"></span></p>
<p>This theory was adopted by early Latter-day Saints from <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Curse-Ham-Slavery-Christianity-Christians/dp/069111465X" target="_blank">similar beliefs in early American Protestantism that were used to justify slavery</a>. The Saints used it to explain the policy of denying priesthood ordination to those of African descent, a policy for which no revelation or prophetic explanation was ever given.</p>
<p>The idea went something like this: In the premortal existence, certain spirits were set aside to come to Earth through a lineage that was cursed and marked, first by Cain’s murder of his brother and covenant with Satan, and then again later by Ham’s offense against his father Noah. The reasons <em>why</em> this lineage was set apart weren’t clear, but it was speculated they were somehow less valiant than their premortal brethren during the war in heaven. In this life, then, the holy priesthood was to be withheld from all who had had any trace of that lineage.</p>
<p>As neat and coherent as that scenario might seem, the scriptures typically cited in its support <em>cannot</em> logically be interpreted this way <em>unless</em><em> one starts with the priesthood ban itself and then works backward,</em> looking for scriptures to support a predetermined belief.</p>
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<p><strong>Cain </strong>(<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/gen/4.11-15?lang=eng#10" target="_blank">Genesis 4:11–15</a>; <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/5.23-25?lang=eng#22" target="_blank">Moses 5:23–25</a>, <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/5.36-40?lang=eng#35" target="_blank">36–40</a>). Following Cain’s covenant with Satan and murder of Abel, the Lord cursed him that the earth would not yield its strength for him, and that he would be a fugitive and a vagabond. Nothing was said of priesthood. The Lord placed a mark upon him, not as part of the curse, but to protect him from others who would kill him. The mark itself was not described, and there was no indication that it would be passed to his descendents.<a name="ftnref1" href="#ftn1">[1]</a></p>
<p>Six generations after Cain, Enoch saw a vision of an unspecified future time (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/7.4?lang=eng#3" target="_blank">Moses 7:4</a>) in which “the seed of Cain were black” (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/7.22?lang=eng#21" target="_blank">7:22</a>). There is no explanation for this blackness or where it came from; it is not even clear if we are to take it literally or figuratively.<a name="ftnref2" href="#ftn2">[2]</a></p>
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<p><strong>Canaan</strong><strong> </strong>(<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/gen/9.20-27?lang=eng#19" target="_blank">Genesis 9:20–27</a>). Ham’s son Canaan, for some unexplained reason, was cursed for his father’s offense against Noah. No change in skin color was mentioned,<a name="ftnref3" href="#ftn3">[3]</a> nor was there any statement on priesthood. According to the Bible, Canaan was the founder of the Canaanite nation (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/gen/10.15-19?lang=eng#14" target="_blank">Genesis 10:15–19</a>). The Canaanites were Caucasian, not black, and had no connection with sub-Saharan (black) Africans.<a name="ftnref4" href="#ftn4">[4]</a></p>
<p>The Hebrew words “Cain” (<em>qayin</em>) and “Canaan” (<em>ke(na’an</em>) are not related; it is a coincidence that they sound alike in English.</p>
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<p><strong>Egyptus </strong>(<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/1.21-27?lang=eng#20" target="_blank">Abraham 1:21–27</a>). The Book of Abraham is the only place that any scriptures speak of the priesthood being withheld from <em>any</em> lineage, but even then it is only the <em>specific</em> lineage of the Pharaohs of Egypt, and there is no explanation as to <em>why</em> that lineage could not have the priesthood, or whether the proscription was temporary or permanent, or which other lineages, if any—especially in the <em>modern</em> world—would be covered by that proscription.<a name="ftnref5" href="#ftn5">[5]</a> According to the Bible, Egypt was founded by Mizraim, another son of Ham, and Canaan’s brother (which may be why Abraham 1:21 connects Egypt with the Canaanites). Egyptians, both ancient and modern, were not black Africans, but Northern Africans, culturally related to peoples of the Middle East.</p>
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<p><strong>Conclusion</strong>. The speculation that modern blacks are the descendants of Cain and Ham is unsupported from the scriptures. In reality we do not know why God allowed the denial of the priesthood to blacks for a time in this dispensation. All we do know is that policy has been reversed by a living prophet.</p>
<p>The “curse of Cain” folk doctrine may have been understandable for our LDS ancestors, but it is neither understandable nor necessary today. The Church is for all God’s children, for “he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female…and all are alike unto God” (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/26.33?lang=eng#32" target="_blank">2 Nephi 26:33</a>).</p>
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<p><a name="ftn1" href="#ftnref1">[1]</a> See <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/3.18?lang=eng#17" target="_blank">Alma 3:18</a>, where the Amlicites “began to mark themselves in their foreheads, [for] they had come out in open rebellion against God; therefore it was expedient that the curse should fall upon them.”</p>
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<p><a name="ftn2" href="#ftnref2">[2]</a> In the <a href="http://bookofmormononline.net/#/fax/1840" target="_blank">1840 edition of the Book of Mormon</a>, Joseph Smith changed the phrase “white and delightsome” in <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/30.6?lang=eng#5" target="_blank">2 Nephi 30:6</a> to read “pure and delightsome,” indicating that “white,” in at least this context, did not refer to literal skin color, but to righteousness.</p>
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<p><a name="ftn3" href="#ftnref3">[3]</a> Before the flood, there was a race of people called the Canaanites upon whom “a blackness came” (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/7.7-8?lang=eng#6" target="_blank">Moses 7:7–8</a>). The text does not indicate if the “blackness” was physical or spiritual. The Canaanites mentioned by Abraham lived in modern Palestine (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/2.15?lang=eng#14" target="_blank">Abraham 2:15</a>), and Abraham did not have access to the record we call the Book of Moses (it had not yet been written), so it’s doubtful there is any connection between the two groups.</p>
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<p><a name="ftn4" href="#ftnref4">[4]</a> If anyone is a candidate for the ancestor of black Africans, it’s Cush, Canaan’s brother, whose people founded what is now known as Ethiopia (<a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/gen/10.6?lang=eng#5" target="_blank">Genesis 10:6</a>; see the reference to skin color in <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/jer/13.23?lang=eng#22" target="_blank">Jeremiah 13:23</a>).</p>
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<p><a name="ftn5" href="#ftnref5">[5]</a> Hugh Nibley offered the explanation that the denial of the priesthood to the Pharaonic line had to do with the claim of the priesthood through the matriarchal line (through Egyptus) rather than the patriarchal. See <a href="http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=48&amp;chapid=293" target="_blank"><em>Abraham in Egypt</em> (Deseret Book, 2000 [2nd] ed.), p. 360–61</a>.</p>
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		<title>Three Mormon Myths About Blacks and the Priesthood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Gordon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[February is black history month. Many white members of The Church will say &#8220;who cares?&#8221; or &#8220;good for them!&#8221; or even &#8220;aren&#8217;t they over that yet?&#8221; and move on about their daily tasks. That&#8217;s unwise. With the presidential election in full swing, our faith and our history of race relations has come under the spotlight [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>February is black history month. Many white members of The Church will say &#8220;who cares?&#8221; or &#8220;good for them!&#8221; or even &#8220;aren&#8217;t they over that yet?&#8221; and move on about their daily tasks. That&#8217;s unwise. With the presidential election in full swing, our faith and our history of race relations has come under the spotlight of public scrutiny and the intensity will continue to grow. As that happens, I am hopeful that we as members are educated to move the discussion forward instead of saying things that are harmful to the Church and hurtful to many of our members.<span id="more-2611"></span></p>
<p>The United States has a long history of difficult race relations. My home teacher served in the Air Force in the South, and was shocked when he found it unlawful to share a cab off base with his black friend. They couldn&#8217;t go into the same restaurants or get their hair cut at the same barbershops. This was in the days of segregated restrooms and water fountains. Most of us, as members, have never had state laws dictating where we are allowed to go and with whom we are allowed to congregate. People can&#8217;t tell by looking at you if you are Mormon.</p>
<p>Many of us live in areas that are not racially integrated, so we have never had to examine our long-held beliefs and traditions. Just to give a hint of my thoughts on this&#8211;having one or two non-white members of your ward doesn&#8217;t really allow you to claim you have a lot of experience in race relations. The reality is that most Mormons live in the Western United States, which has a much lower concentration of blacks. In those those states where LDS are 5% or more of the population, the percentage of blacks does not reach the national average. (Source: US Census data)</p>
<p>USA          12.6%<br />
Idaho        0.6%<br />
Wyoming   0.8%<br />
Utah          1.1%<br />
Arizona      4.1%<br />
Nevada      8.1%</p>
<p>Even in California, which has a large population of Church members, the percentage of blacks is only 6.2%, still below the national average. If one factors in how many blacks actually attend Church with you, it highlights the reality that you probably don&#8217;t frequently interact with black Americans. This translates into never needing to examine your traditions and beliefs. Even if you don&#8217;t have a racist bone in your body and you love all people as children of God, you may still not realize that some things you say are hurtful or simply untrue.</p>
<p>Here is a list of three myths that are often repeated, and simply must stop.</p>
<p><strong>Myth #1: Blacks couldn&#8217;t have the priesthood because they had the curse or mark of Cain</strong></p>
<p>This belief was commonly held by many Protestant denominations in early American history. It was often used as a justification for slavery and reached its peak about the time of the Civil War. Many people who joined the LDS Church brought this teaching into the Church with them. Most Protestants later changed their talking points on this to say the children of Cain were wiped out during Noah&#8217;s flood, so the cursing came though the flood through Ham. Therefore, the more modern phrasing of this belief is the so-called &#8220;curse of Ham.&#8221; But the curse of Cain continued to be taught in the then geographically isolated LDS Church.</p>
<p>While the scriptures do talk about a mark being put on Cain, there is no scriptural explanation of what that mark may be or how it relates to the priesthood. One member of my high priest quorum suggested the mark is likely to be male pattern baldness.</p>
<p>There is a scripture in the Book of Moses talking about the children of Canaan being black (Moses 7:8), but there is no given connection between Cain and Canaan. Just because a name sounds similar, doesn&#8217;t make it the same.</p>
<p>Even in the Book of Abraham, the priesthood restrictions were not put on &#8220;blacks&#8221;, but on the lineage of the Egyptian Pharaoh. This was at the time of Abraham, long before Jesus Christ. If you were alive at that time, it is likely you would have been restricted from that priesthood as well.</p>
<p><strong>Myth #2: Blacks were neutral or less valiant in the pre-existence</strong></p>
<p>This terrible teaching was repudiated by none other than Brigham Young himself. Unfortunately, it continued to be perpetuated by many members throughout our history, and even ended up in books authored by Joseph Fielding Smith.</p>
<p>In an interview, apostle Jeffery R. Holland said the following: &#8220;One clear-cut position is that the folklore must never be perpetuated. &#8230; I have to concede to my earlier colleagues. &#8230; They, I&#8217;m sure, in their own way, were doing the best they knew to give shape to [the policy], to give context for it, to give even history to it. All I can say is however well intended the explanations were, I think almost all of them were inadequate and/or wrong.&#8221; (Source: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html#1">http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html#1</a>)</p>
<p>For those who are troubled by the fact that explanations given historically are now being repudiated, we have to look at the words of Bruce R. McConkie, who was originally a proponent of those theories. He said, &#8220;Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whomsoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.</p>
<p>&#8220;We get our truth and our light line upon line and precept upon precept. We have now had added a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular subject, and it erases all the darkness and all the views and all the thoughts of the past. They don&#8217;t matter any more.&#8221; (Source: <a href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=11017">http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=11017</a>)</p>
<p><strong>Myth #3: The best example to explain blacks not having the priesthood comes from the Levites. The Levites were able to hold the priesthood, while others were not. This shows how God restricts people of certain lineages from receiving the priesthood just like he did with blacks.</strong></p>
<p>While it may be true that Levites could hold the priesthood while others could not, it has little to do with this issue. The ancient practice where only one group is able to exercise the priesthood and work in the temple has little in common with modern times when everyone is able to hold the priesthood except for one group. Repeating this claim as an explanation doesn&#8217;t provide adequate support for the argument, and the claim completely falls apart when we recognize that Joseph Smith, Parley P. Pratt, William Smith, and Orson Hyde all ordained blacks to the priesthood in the 1830s and 1840s. The explanation is not helpful and can be hurtful.</p>
<p>So why couldn&#8217;t blacks have the priesthood? Gordon B. Hinckley stated, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what the reason was. But I know that we&#8217;ve rectified whatever may have appeared to be wrong at the time.&#8221;(Source: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/compass/intervs/hinckley.htm">http://www.abc.net.au/compass/intervs/hinckley.htm</a>)</p>
<p>Men are slow to change in their beliefs. Even in the New Testament, Peter had to be lifted beyond his prejudice to sit and eat with the Gentiles. I hope we all take the time to familiarize ourselves with this topic and not perpetuate the hurtful and harmful myths that have been repeated for so long.</p>
<p>It is worth an hour or two of our time to read several articles on Mormonism and race, so we can help those around us. It will help us relating to African-Americans who join the Church. It will help us in teaching our children in such a way that they won&#8217;t make hurtful assumptions. It will help us in keeping our children from falling away as they learn about this past practice. Finally, it will help us in explaining our beliefs to those outside of our faith. It is not only simply worth our time to learn about black history, it is essential.</p>
<p><strong>Important articles on this topic:</strong></p>
<p>Black LDS History Timeline. This has been updated recently. If there is more that should be added, please let us know.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blacklds.org/history" target="_blank">http://www.blacklds.org/<wbr>history</wbr></a></p>
<p>A study in Misplaced Apologetics</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blacklds.org/mauss" target="_blank">http://www.blacklds.org/mauss</a></p>
<p>LAMANITES, THE SEED OF CAIN, AND POLYGAMY, part of a larger book review and well worth the read.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blacklds.org/Reynolds" target="_blank">http://www.blacklds.org/<wbr>Reynolds</wbr></a></p>
<p>Blacks and the Priesthood</p>
<p><a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Blacks_and_the_priesthood" target="_blank">http://en.fairmormon.org/<wbr>Mormonism_and_racial_issues/<wbr>Blacks_and_the_priesthood</wbr></wbr></a></p>
<p>Origin of the priesthood ban</p>
<p><a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Origin_of_the_priesthood_ban" target="_blank">http://en.fairmormon.org/<wbr>Mormonism_and_racial_issues/<wbr>Blacks_and_the_priesthood/<wbr>Origin_of_the_priesthood_ban</wbr></wbr></wbr></a></p>
<p>Understanding pre-1978 statements</p>
<p><a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements" target="_blank">http://en.fairmormon.org/<wbr>Mormonism_and_racial_issues/<wbr>Blacks_and_the_priesthood/<wbr>Understanding_pre-1978_<wbr>statements</wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></a></p>
<p>Racism</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonvoices.org/19/racism" target="_blank">http://mormonvoices.org/19/<wbr>racism</wbr></a></p>
<p>Note: This article is republished from the FAIR Journal</p>
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		<title>Baptism for the Dead and the Jews</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Gordon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been an outpouring of outrage over several Jewish names that have been entered into the Church&#8217;s family history database. The level of outrage is sometimes difficult for us as Mormons to comprehend. We believe this is an act of love and compassion. Asking us not to do baptisms is akin to being asked [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been an outpouring of outrage over several Jewish names that have been entered into the Church&#8217;s family history database. The level of outrage is sometimes difficult for us as Mormons to comprehend. We believe this is an act of love and compassion. Asking us not to do baptisms is akin to being asked not to love someone.</p>
<p>But, upon deeper reflection, I have come to a better understanding of what they may be feeling. There is a long history of forced conversions of Jews. Especially during the time of Nazi Germany, many Jews turned to their Christian neighbors to help save their families. Their children were often baptized to hide their background. Try to imagine turning our children over to the Southern Baptists for baptism, knowing that they would be forced to turn away from our faith. It would be a very difficult event for us.<span id="more-2608"></span></p>
<p>Given that background, we can understand how the word &#8220;baptism&#8221; is laden with emotion and bad feelings for Jews. There are terrible German children&#8217;s books from the late 1930s that talk about the &#8220;poisonous mushroom&#8221; in referring to Jews. In one story two girls are observing a Jewish couple coming out of a synagogue. While the story is offensive, we are repeating it here to give you an understanding of the depth of hatred at the time. Remember, this is a children&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>The story goes like this (Warning&#8211;offensive material to follow):</p>
<blockquote><p>One girl, Anne, starts by saying, &#8220;Do you know our girls&#8217; leader once told us: &#8216;Just as little as a Negro can be made into a German by baptism, can a Jew be made into a non-Jew.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Grete stamps her feet angrily on the ground: &#8220;I do not understand these priests who go on baptizing Jews even today. By doing so they admit a criminal mob into the churches.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anne concludes: &#8220;I believe a time will come when the Christians will curse the clergy who once allowed Jews to enter the Christian Church. For the Jews only want to destroy the Christian Church. And they will destroy it if our clergy go on allowing Jews to enter. There is a saying:</p>
<p>&#8216;If a Jew comes along   Wanting a priest to baptize him,   Be on your guard and beware;   Jew remains always Jew!   Baptismal water helps not a jot.   That does not make the Jew any better!   He is a Devil in Time   And remains so through Eternity!&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>(source: <a href="http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/story6.htm" target="_blank">http://www.calvin.edu/<wbr>academic/cas/gpa/story6.htm</wbr></a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>We as Latter-day Saints should be hypersensitive to anti-Semitism. I am grateful that I have never had to endure the level of antagonism that the Jewish people have had to endure over the centuries.</p>
<p>I was thinking of my relationship with several anti-Mormons and the oft-repeated phrase, &#8220;I&#8217;ll pray for you.&#8221; Of course, my initial thoughts are fine, go ahead, I need all of the prayers I can get. But, then I think about the times this phrase was used as a pejorative expression instead of being an act of love. It is sometimes used as a public rebuke or condemnation. I consider that usage to be offensive depending on the sincerity of the speaker.</p>
<p>Baptism for the dead is not meant to be a public condemnation as it is performed in the sacred space of our temples. But, certain individuals and the media have brought this very private respectful ceremony, this act of love, into the public eye and turned into a condemnation. It is no wonder that people are upset.</p>
<p>I am reminded of a loose film dramatization of the book Ivanhoe. In that movie, the Templar Knights were trying to condemn a Jewish man. He pointed out that they drew their authority from the Church and as he was not a member, they had no power over him. In frustration, they held the man down and &#8220;baptized&#8221; him. The Jewish man was then asked if he accepted Jesus Christ. He of course said &#8220;no.&#8221; They then claimed they had the authority to punish him because he was baptized a Christian and was now a heretic for rejecting Christ.</p>
<p>Nobody would truly believe that the Jewish man was Christian, against his will, from a forced baptism, any more than someone should believe that a posthumous baptism would make someone Mormon. That&#8217;s because there are two parts to baptism. One is the simple ordinance, or act, of the baptism. The other is the commitment and covenants made with that baptism. Baptizing someone for the dead within our temples may fulfill the ordinance part, but the commitment and covenants have to come from the choice of the individuals involved.</p>
<p>In any case, we have to be sensitive to the beliefs of others and recognize that the nature of family history work is eternal. I&#8217;m sure that so long as we are diligent, God will make a path for all of his children to receive the ordinances that they need. Meanwhile, it is very important that we follow Church policy.</p>
<p>Here are two Official Church statements on this issue:</p>
<p><a title="First statement on baptism for the dead" href="http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/jewish-names-entered-genealogical-database?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LDSNewsRoomTop15+%28RSS%3A+LDS+Newsroom%29" target="_blank">http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/<wbr>article/jewish-names-entered-<wbr>genealogical-database?utm_<wbr>source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=<wbr>feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+<wbr>LDSNewsRoomTop15+%28RSS%3A+<wbr>LDS+Newsroom%29</wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></a></p>
<p><a title="Second statement on Baptism for the dead" href="http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/violations-of-proxy-baptism-policy?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LDSNewsRoomTop15+%28RSS%3A+LDS+Newsroom%29" target="_blank">http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/<wbr>article/violations-of-proxy-<wbr>baptism-policy?utm_source=<wbr>feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;<wbr>utm_campaign=Feed%3A+<wbr>LDSNewsRoomTop15+%28RSS%3A+<wbr>LDS+Newsroom%29</wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></a></p>
<p>Here is an article written by Michael Otterson.</p>
<p><a title="Mike Ottereson article" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/what-baptism-for-the-dead-means-to-mormons/2012/02/23/gIQA2sIaVR_blog.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/<wbr>blogs/guest-voices/post/what-<wbr>baptism-for-the-dead-means-to-<wbr>mormons/2012/02/23/gIQA2sIaVR_<wbr>blog.html</wbr></wbr></wbr></wbr></a></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>This article comes from the monthly FAIR Journal.</p>
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		<title>FAIR Issues 31: Translation of the Book of Mormon</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among LDS scholars there are at least two main theories regarding the transmission of the Book of Mormon text into English. Some believe in a &#8220;tight control&#8221; theory and others in a &#8220;loose control&#8221; theory. Still others believe in a combination of the two. In this article, Michael R. Ash describes these theories. The full [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among LDS scholars there are at least two main theories regarding the transmission of the Book of Mormon text into English. Some believe in a &#8220;tight control&#8221; theory and others in a &#8220;loose control&#8221; theory. Still others believe in a combination of the two. In this article, Michael R. Ash describes these theories.</p>
<p>The full text of this article can be found at Deseret News <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705352931/Mike-Ash-Translation-of-the-Book-of-Mormon.html?pg=2">online</a>.</p>
<p>Brother Ash is author of the book Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One’s Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt, as well as the book, of Faith and Reason: 80 Evidences Supporting the Prophet Joseph Smith. Both books are available for purchase online through the <a href="http://bookstore.fairlds.org/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=4">FAIR Bookstore</a>.</p>
<p>Tell your friends about the Mormon FAIR-Cast. Share a link on your Facebook page and help increase the popularity of the Mormon FAIR-Cast by subscribing to this podcast in <a href="http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/fair-blog/id397315546">iTunes</a>, and by rating it and writing a review.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>Among LDS scholars there are at least two main theories regarding the transmission of the Book of Mormon text into English. Some believe in a "tight control" theory and others in a "loose control" theory. Still others believe in a combination of the two. In this article, Michael R. Ash describes these theories.

The full text of this article can be found at Deseret News online.

Brother Ash is author of the book Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One’s Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt, as well as the book, of Faith and Reason: 80 Evidences Supporting the Prophet Joseph Smith. Both books are available for purchase online through the FAIR Bookstore.

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		<title>FAIR Study Aid Lesson #8 (2 Nephi 9-10)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Stutz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The FAIR Study Aid for Book of Mormon Lesson #8 (2 Nephi 9-10) is now available on the FAIR Wiki: Lesson #8: O How Great the Goodness of our God Each week, FAIR volunteers will look at the Sunday School lesson and identify relevant apologetic issues and other related insights, and then compile them into a single, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <em>FAIR Study Aid</em> for Book of Mormon Lesson #8 (2 Nephi 9-10) is now available on the FAIR Wiki: <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_Study_Aids/Gospel_Doctrine/Book_of_Mormon/Lesson_Eight">Lesson #8: O How Great the Goodness of our God</a></p>
<p align="left">Each week, FAIR volunteers will look at the Sunday School lesson and identify relevant apologetic issues and other related insights, and then compile them into a single, easy to use quick-reference guide with links to additional information. Organization will follow the same structure found in Gospel Doctrine manual, with main headings that correspond with the main sections on the lesson. This should make it easy to identify how any particular item relates to the lesson material. Additional information related to the chapters in the Book of Mormon being covered by the lesson, but which do not fit neatly into the lesson’s structure, will be placed at the bottom of the page. Main sections will be broken down into three sub-sections:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Helpful Insights: </strong>These include various tidbits of information that might be helpful or interesting to discuss as a part of your lesson. They will come from scholarly studies and other sources.</li>
<li><strong>Potential Criticisms and Faithful Information:</strong> These include potential criticisms that may arise during the lesson, or that are relevant to the topics and themes being discussed, along with information on how to respond with faith supporting information. These are made available so that teachers and students can gain some familiarity with these issues and be prepared should these or similar concerns arise in class.</li>
<li><strong>Faith Affirmations:</strong> Here we will make note of various items of evidence for the Book of Mormon along with other information that supports the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and promotes faith in its teachings.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 9: Polygamy as an Abrahamic Sacrifice–Dr. Valerie Hudson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Book of Mormon condemns polygamy, and calls it abominable. Modern leaders of the Church have condemned the practice. In light of this, what are we to make of the ancient practice of polygamy and of the practice of polygamy by early Mormons? Does the Book of Mormon contradict the Doctrine &#38; Covenants? What of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Hudson1.jpg"><img class="alignleft  wp-image-2584" title="Hudson" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Hudson1-200x300.jpg" alt="" width="180" height="270" /></a>The Book of Mormon condemns polygamy, and calls it abominable. Modern leaders of the Church have condemned the practice. In light of this, what are we to make of the ancient practice of polygamy and of the practice of polygamy by early Mormons? Does the Book of Mormon contradict the Doctrine &amp; Covenants? What of polygamy in the next life? Is polygamy necessary to exaltation? If polygamy is legalized in the United States, will the Church reinstitute polygamy? In this episode of FAIR Examination, Dr. Valerie M. Hudson shares her thoughts on these and other questions.</p>
<p>While Dr. Hudson was a professor of political science at Brigham Young University, she was listed as one of the &#8220;100 Top Global Thinkers of 2009&#8243; by Foreign Policy Magazine. In January 2012, she became a Professor and George H.W. Bush Chair in the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&amp;M University, teaching in the masters of international affairs program. More of her views on polygamy, women and the priesthood, and other women&#8217;s issues are discussed in the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Women-Eternity-Zion-Valerie-Hudson/dp/1555177433">Women in Eternity, Women in Zion </a>that she co-authored with Alma Don Sorenson.</p>
<p>For further information on polygamy, see the FAIR Wiki article posted <a href="http://fairmormon.org/Polygamy">here</a>.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>The Book of Mormon condemns polygamy, and calls it abominable. Modern leaders of the Church have condemned the practice. In light of this, what are we to make of the ancient practice of polygamy and of the practice of polygamy by early Mormons? Does the Book of Mormon contradict the Doctrine &amp; Covenants? What of polygamy in the next life? Is polygamy necessary to exaltation? If polygamy is legalized in the United States, will the Church reinstitute polygamy? In this episode of FAIR Examination, Dr. Valerie M. Hudson shares her thoughts on these and other questions.

While Dr. Hudson was a professor of political science at Brigham Young University, she was listed as one of the "100 Top Global Thinkers of 2009" by Foreign Policy Magazine. In January 2012, she became a Professor and George H.W. Bush Chair in the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&amp;M University, teaching in the masters of international affairs program. More of her views on polygamy, women and the priesthood, and other women's issues are discussed in the book Women in Eternity, Women in Zion that she co-authored with Alma Don Sorenson.

For further information on polygamy, see the FAIR Wiki article posted here.</itunes:summary>
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		<title>FAIR Study Aid Lesson #7 (2 Nephi 3-5)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Stutz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The FAIR Study Aid for Book of Mormon Lesson #7 (2 Nephi 3-5) is now available on the FAIR Wiki: Lesson #7: I Know In Whom I Have Trusted Each week, FAIR volunteers will look at the Sunday School lesson and identify relevant apologetic issues and other related insights, and then compile them into a single, easy to use [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <em>FAIR Study Aid</em> for Book of Mormon Lesson #7 (2 Nephi 3-5) is now available on the FAIR Wiki: <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_Study_Aids/Gospel_Doctrine/Book_of_Mormon/Lesson_Seven#Lesson_7:_I_Know_in_Whom_I_Have_Trusted">Lesson #7: I Know In Whom I Have Trusted</a></p>
<p align="left">Each week, FAIR volunteers will look at the Sunday School lesson and identify relevant apologetic issues and other related insights, and then compile them into a single, easy to use quick-reference guide with links to additional information. Organization will follow the same structure found in Gospel Doctrine manual, with main headings that correspond with the main sections on the lesson. This should make it easy to identify how any particular item relates to the lesson material. Additional information related to the chapters in the Book of Mormon being covered by the lesson, but which do not fit neatly into the lesson’s structure, will be placed at the bottom of the page. Main sections will be broken down into three sub-sections:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Helpful Insights: </strong>These include various tidbits of information that might be helpful or interesting to discuss as a part of your lesson. They will come from scholarly studies and other sources.</li>
<li><strong>Potential Criticisms and Faithful Information:</strong> These include potential criticisms that may arise during the lesson, or that are relevant to the topics and themes being discussed, along with information on how to respond with faith supporting information. These are made available so that teachers and students can gain some familiarity with these issues and be prepared should these or similar concerns arise in class.</li>
<li><strong>Faith Affirmations:</strong> Here we will make note of various items of evidence for the Book of Mormon along with other information that supports the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and promotes faith in its teachings.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 73: Purpose, history and offerings of FAIR</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike Ash and Martin Tanner discuss the purpose of FAIR, the history of FAIR, various FAIR publications and the topics covered in the 2011 FAIR Conference in this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on July 31, 2011. This recording was used by permission of KSL Radio and does not necessarily represent the views [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Ash and Martin Tanner discuss the purpose of FAIR, the history of FAIR, various FAIR publications and the topics covered in the 2011 FAIR Conference in this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on July 31, 2011.</p>
<p>This recording was used by permission of KSL Radio and does not necessarily represent the views of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or of FAIR.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>Mike Ash and Martin Tanner discuss the purpose of FAIR, the history of FAIR, various FAIR publications and the topics covered in the 2011 FAIR Conference in this episode of Religion Today that originally aired on July 31, 2011.

This recording was used by permission of KSL Radio and does not necessarily represent the views of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or of FAIR.</itunes:summary>
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		<title>FAIR Study Aid Lesson #6 (2 Nephi 1-2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Stutz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The FAIR Study Aid for Book of Mormon Lesson #6 (2 Nephi 1-2) is now available on the FAIR Wiki: Lesson #6: Free to Choose Liberty and Eternal Life Each week, FAIR volunteers will look at the Sunday School lesson and identify relevant apologetic issues and other related insights, and then compile them into a single, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <em>FAIR Study Aid</em> for Book of Mormon Lesson #6 (2 Nephi 1-2) is now available on the FAIR Wiki: <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_Study_Aids/Gospel_Doctrine/Book_of_Mormon/Lesson_Six#Lesson_6:_Free_to_Choose_Liberty_and_Eternal_Life">Lesson #6: Free to Choose Liberty and Eternal Life</a></p>
<p align="left">Each week, FAIR volunteers will look at the Sunday School lesson and identify relevant apologetic issues and other related insights, and then compile them into a single, easy to use quick-reference guide with links to additional information. Organization will follow the same structure found in Gospel Doctrine manual, with main headings that correspond with the main sections on the lesson. This should make it easy to identify how any particular item relates to the lesson material. Additional information related to the chapters in the Book of Mormon being covered by the lesson, but which do not fit neatly into the lesson’s structure, will be placed at the bottom of the page. Main sections will be broken down into three sub-sections:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Helpful Insights: </strong>These include various tidbits of information that might be helpful or interesting to discuss as a part of your lesson. They will come from scholarly studies and other sources.</li>
<li><strong>Potential Criticisms and Faithful Information:</strong> These include potential criticisms that may arise during the lesson, or that are relevant to the topics and themes being discussed, along with information on how to respond with faith supporting information. These are made available so that teachers and students can gain some familiarity with these issues and be prepared should these or similar concerns arise in class.</li>
<li><strong>Faith Affirmations:</strong> Here we will make note of various items of evidence for the Book of Mormon along with other information that supports the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and promotes faith in its teachings.</li>
</ul>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 8: Aversion Therapy at BYU–Dr. Eugene Thorne</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Eugene Thorne was a member of the psychology department at BYU during the 1970s, and was involved with studies into what is called “aversion therapy.” In this interview, Dr. Thorne explains the studies that were done, and helps clear up some of the misperceptions, false innuendo, and outright lies that have been told regarding [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Eugene Thorne was a member of the psychology department at BYU during the 1970s, and was involved with studies into what is called “aversion therapy.” In this interview, Dr. Thorne explains the studies that were done, and helps clear up some of the misperceptions, false innuendo, and outright lies that have been told regarding aversion therapy.</p>
<p>One of his patients, who is happily married and active in the Church, though wishes to remain anonymous, has made this statement about his experience with aversion therapy at BYU:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have absolutely no negative feelings or memories of the experience. It truly didn&#8217;t &#8216;cure&#8217; anything (SSA or lust addiction), but it certainly did not leave any physical or mental &#8216;scars&#8217; and was carefully and lovingly conducted.&#8221;</p>
<p>For further information on aversion therapy, see the FAIR Wiki article posted <a href="http://fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_gender_issues/Same-sex_attraction/Aversion_therapy_performed_at_BYU">here</a>.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Dr. Eugene Thorne was a member of the psychology department at BYU during the 1970s, and was involved with studies into what is called “aversion therapy.” In this interview, Dr. Thorne explains the studies that were done,</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>Dr. Eugene Thorne was a member of the psychology department at BYU during the 1970s, and was involved with studies into what is called “aversion therapy.” In this interview, Dr. Thorne explains the studies that were done, and helps clear up some of the misperceptions, false innuendo, and outright lies that have been told regarding aversion therapy.

One of his patients, who is happily married and active in the Church, though wishes to remain anonymous, has made this statement about his experience with aversion therapy at BYU:

"I have absolutely no negative feelings or memories of the experience. It truly didn't 'cure' anything (SSA or lust addiction), but it certainly did not leave any physical or mental 'scars' and was carefully and lovingly conducted."

For further information on aversion therapy, see the FAIR Wiki article posted here.</itunes:summary>
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		<title>“FAIR Conversations,” Episode 14: Tom Mould on Folklore and Personal Revelation</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bhodges</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the most underrated Mormon-themed book of 2011 was Tom Mould&#8217;s Still, the Small Voice: Narrative, Personal Revelation, and the Mormon Folk Tradition. As the title suggests, Mould explores how the Spirit&#8217;s &#8220;small voice&#8221; is still an important part of religious life for Latter-day Saints. The book is a folklorist&#8217;s examination of the stories Mormons share [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.usu.edu/usupress/books/author_img/TomMould.jpg" alt="" width="160" height="226" />Perhaps the most underrated Mormon-themed book of 2011 was Tom Mould&#8217;s <em><a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2011/11/30/review-tom-mould-still-the-small-voice/">Still, the Small Voice: Narrative, Personal Revelation, and the Mormon Folk Tradition</a>. </em>As the title suggests, Mould explores how the Spirit&#8217;s &#8220;small voice&#8221; is <em>still</em> an important part of religious life for Latter-day Saints. The book is a folklorist&#8217;s examination of the stories Mormons share about personal revelation.</p>
<p>In this episode of FAIR Conversations, Mould describes some ways revelatory narratives highlight distinctive Mormon beliefs such as stewardship and agency. He highlights the role revelation plays in Mormon decision making, in relieving anxiety, and in dealing with the ambiguities of everyday life. The stories Mormons tell about the revelation we seek and receive suggest important clues about our values. Mould&#8217;s work is thought-provoking, challenging, and inspiring, religiously and academically. He brings the perspective of a thoughtful outsider but speaks with an insider&#8217;s knowledge.</p>
<p>Mould is associate professor of anthropology and folklore at Elon University in North Carolina. Check out the author bio on Utah State University Press&#8217;s website <a href="http://www.usu.edu/usupress/books/index.cfm?isbn=8176">here</a>, and my full review of <em>Still, the Small Voice</em> <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2011/11/30/review-tom-mould-still-the-small-voice/">here</a>.</p>
<p><em>Questions or comments about this episode can be sent to <a title="Linkification: mailto:podcast@fairlds.org" href="mailto:podcast@fairlds.org">podcast@fairlds.org</a>. Or, join the conversation in the comments here. </em></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Runtime: </strong>80:59</p>
<p>To download, right click the &#8220;Download&#8221; link below and select “Save link as…”<br />
You can also download the episode or subscribe to all episodes of the Mormon FAIR-Cast in iTunes <a href="http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/fair-blog/id397315546">here</a>.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Perhaps the most underrated Mormon-themed book of 2011 was Tom Mould's Still, the Small Voice: Narrative, Personal Revelation, and the Mormon Folk Tradition. As the title suggests, Mould explores how the Spirit's "small voice" is still an important par...</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>Perhaps the most underrated Mormon-themed book of 2011 was Tom Mould's Still, the Small Voice: Narrative, Personal Revelation, and the Mormon Folk Tradition. As the title suggests, Mould explores how the Spirit's "small voice" is still an important part of religious life for Latter-day Saints. The book is a folklorist's examination of the stories Mormons share about personal revelation.

In this episode of FAIR Conversations, Mould describes some ways revelatory narratives highlight distinctive Mormon beliefs such as stewardship and agency. He highlights the role revelation plays in Mormon decision making, in relieving anxiety, and in dealing with the ambiguities of everyday life. The stories Mormons tell about the revelation we seek and receive suggest important clues about our values. Mould's work is thought-provoking, challenging, and inspiring, religiously and academically. He brings the perspective of a thoughtful outsider but speaks with an insider's knowledge.

Mould is associate professor of anthropology and folklore at Elon University in North Carolina. Check out the author bio on Utah State University Press's website here, and my full review of Still, the Small Voice here.

Questions or comments about this episode can be sent to podcast@fairlds.org. Or, join the conversation in the comments here. 

 

Runtime: 80:59

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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 70: The Gift and Power: Translating the Book of Mormon</title>
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		<comments>http://www.fairblog.org/2012/01/19/mormon-fair-cast-70-the-gift-and-power-translating-the-book-of-mormon/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Book of Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brant Gardner is interviewed on KTKK Radio and on KSL Radio regarding his new book, The Gift and Power: Translating the Book of Mormon (available for purchase at the FAIR Bookstore) He talks about seer stones, the Spaulding manuscript, stylometrics, various theories on Book of Mormon translation and the Book of Mormon in the context [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1227-1446-large.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2423" title="1227-1446-large" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1227-1446-large.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" /></a>Brant Gardner is interviewed on <a href="http://www.k-talk.com/defaulta.asp">KTKK Radio</a> and on<a href="http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=251"> KSL Radio</a> regarding his new book, The Gift and Power: Translating the Book of Mormon (available for purchase at the <a href="http://bookstore.fairlds.org/product.php?id_product=1227">FAIR Bookstore</a>) He talks about seer stones, the Spaulding manuscript, stylometrics, various theories on Book of Mormon translation and the Book of Mormon in the context of Mesoamerican culture.</p>
<p>Brant Gardner&#8217;s academic background includes work towards a Ph.D. in Mesoamerican Ethnohistory at the State University of New York, Albany. His published works on Mesoamerica include an analysis of classical Nahuatl kinship terminology, an ethnohistoric investigation into the identification of the use of Coxoh to designate a people and language in Southern Mexico, and an examination of the Aztec Legend of the Suns. He has written articles that have appeared in the FARMS Review, and his widely acclaimed six-volume commentary on the Book of Mormon, Second Witness: Analytical and Contextual Commentary on the Book of Mormon, is published by Kofford Books and available for purchase at the <a href="http://bookstore.fairlds.org/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=274">FAIR Bookstore</a>.</p>
<p>These interviews are posted here by permission of KTKK Radio and KSL Radio. The views expressed in these interviews do not necessarily represent the views of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or of FAIR.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Brant Gardner is interviewed on KTKK Radio and on KSL Radio regarding his new book, The Gift and Power: Translating the Book of Mormon (available for purchase at the FAIR Bookstore) He talks about seer stones, the Spaulding manuscript, stylometrics,</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>Brant Gardner is interviewed on KTKK Radio and on KSL Radio regarding his new book, The Gift and Power: Translating the Book of Mormon (available for purchase at the FAIR Bookstore) He talks about seer stones, the Spaulding manuscript, stylometrics, various theories on Book of Mormon translation and the Book of Mormon in the context of Mesoamerican culture.

Brant Gardner's academic background includes work towards a Ph.D. in Mesoamerican Ethnohistory at the State University of New York, Albany. His published works on Mesoamerica include an analysis of classical Nahuatl kinship terminology, an ethnohistoric investigation into the identification of the use of Coxoh to designate a people and language in Southern Mexico, and an examination of the Aztec Legend of the Suns. He has written articles that have appeared in the FARMS Review, and his widely acclaimed six-volume commentary on the Book of Mormon, Second Witness: Analytical and Contextual Commentary on the Book of Mormon, is published by Kofford Books and available for purchase at the FAIR Bookstore.

These interviews are posted here by permission of KTKK Radio and KSL Radio. The views expressed in these interviews do not necessarily represent the views of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or of FAIR.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 7: Therapy and same-sex attraction–David Matheson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Matheson is a licensed professional counselor at the Center for Gender Wholeness in Salt Lake City, Utah. His practice focuses on helping people with unwanted same-sex attraction.  David received his Masters of Science degree in Counseling and Guidance from Brigham Young University in 1996. Afterwards, he practiced for seven years as a psychological assistant under Dr. Joseph Nicolosi.  During [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DM-Color-Web.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2446" title="DM-Color-Web" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DM-Color-Web-298x300.jpg" alt="" width="298" height="300" /></a>David Matheson is a licensed professional counselor at the Center for Gender Wholeness in Salt Lake City, Utah. His practice focuses on helping people with unwanted same-sex attraction.  David received his Masters of Science degree in Counseling and Guidance from Brigham Young University in 1996. Afterwards, he practiced for seven years as a psychological assistant under Dr. Joseph Nicolosi.  During his tenure, he co-created the &#8220;Journey into Manhood&#8221; experiential weekend with Ben Newman and began serving on the board of directors of People Can Change.</p>
<p>He is an active member of the Church and shares how the gospel of Jesus Christ has influenced his desire to serve men with same-sex attraction.  He talks about some modern approaches and how these approaches fit within the stances of major medical institutions and the relationship with the Church.  He shares stories of success as well as some potential for harm associated with therapy.  He clarifies some common misconceptions around therapy and the need to make this therapy available for those seeking it.  He talks about how family, friends and leaders can help people with same-sex attraction and how that fits in with their duty to bear one another&#8217;s burdens.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>David Matheson is a licensed professional counselor at the Center for Gender Wholeness in Salt Lake City, Utah. His practice focuses on helping people with unwanted same-sex attraction.  David received his Masters of Science degree in Counseling and Gu...</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>David Matheson is a licensed professional counselor at the Center for Gender Wholeness in Salt Lake City, Utah. His practice focuses on helping people with unwanted same-sex attraction.  David received his Masters of Science degree in Counseling and Guidance from Brigham Young University in 1996. Afterwards, he practiced for seven years as a psychological assistant under Dr. Joseph Nicolosi.  During his tenure, he co-created the "Journey into Manhood" experiential weekend with Ben Newman and began serving on the board of directors of People Can Change.

He is an active member of the Church and shares how the gospel of Jesus Christ has influenced his desire to serve men with same-sex attraction.  He talks about some modern approaches and how these approaches fit within the stances of major medical institutions and the relationship with the Church.  He shares stories of success as well as some potential for harm associated with therapy.  He clarifies some common misconceptions around therapy and the need to make this therapy available for those seeking it.  He talks about how family, friends and leaders can help people with same-sex attraction and how that fits in with their duty to bear one another's burdens.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 6: Overcoming same-sex attraction–Blake Smith</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake Smith is a member of the church who has a history with same sex attraction.  In this interview, he shares how he reconciled his sexual attractions to men with the gospel of Jesus Christ and how the law of chastity has brought him peace.  He begins talking about his unsuccessful attempts at aversion therapy and subsequent failed marriage. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake Smith is a member of the church who has a history with same sex attraction.  In this interview, he shares how he reconciled his sexual attractions to men with the gospel of Jesus Christ and how the law of chastity has brought him peace.  He begins talking about his unsuccessful attempts at aversion therapy and subsequent failed marriage.  He then shares why he decided to stay in the church and what helped him.  He talks about the love and encouragement he received from his ecclesiatical leaders and from a support group called North Star.  He tells his story of finding true love to the woman of his dreams and of finally overcoming same-sex attraction.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Blake Smith is a member of the church who has a history with same sex attraction.  In this interview, he shares how he reconciled his sexual attractions to men with the gospel of Jesus Christ and how the law of chastity has brought him peace.</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>Blake Smith is a member of the church who has a history with same sex attraction.  In this interview, he shares how he reconciled his sexual attractions to men with the gospel of Jesus Christ and how the law of chastity has brought him peace.  He begins talking about his unsuccessful attempts at aversion therapy and subsequent failed marriage.  He then shares why he decided to stay in the church and what helped him.  He talks about the love and encouragement he received from his ecclesiatical leaders and from a support group called North Star.  He tells his story of finding true love to the woman of his dreams and of finally overcoming same-sex attraction.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
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		<itunes:duration>1:09:24</itunes:duration>
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		<title>Administrative update: FAIR Blog user registration</title>
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		<comments>http://www.fairblog.org/2012/01/03/administrative-update-fair-blog-user-registration/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Parker</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Administrative notices]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[In an effort to more effectively manage the FAIR Blog, we will now require users to register before commenting. You may register using your real name or a pseudonym (as long as your pseudonym is appropriate for an all-ages blog), but you must provide a verifiable email address as part of the registration process. At [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an effort to more effectively manage the FAIR Blog, we will now require users to register before commenting.</p>
<p>You may register using your real name or a pseudonym (as long as your pseudonym is appropriate for an all-ages blog), but you must provide a verifiable email address as part of the registration process.</p>
<p>At this time we will continue to moderate all comments to help prevent endless debates, &#8220;drive-by&#8221; attacks, <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/threadjacking" target="_blank">threadjacking</a>, and so forth. Our intent is to hopefully loosen that up a bit in the near future so that only new commenters are moderated.</p>
<p>The usual rule against <a href="http://www.wordspy.com/words/sockpuppet.asp" target="_blank">sockpuppets</a> applies here — one user account per person, please.</p>
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		<title>FAIR Study Aids for the Book of Mormon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Book of Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Lesson Aids]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[With the upcoming year of Book of Mormon study in Gospel Doctrine classes, FAIR has decided to put together a new study resource. We are calling it “FAIR Study Aids,” and it can be accessed on our wiki at http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_Study_Aids. Similar efforts have been made in the past, and the fruits of those labors have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="left"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">With the upcoming year of Book of Mormon study in Gospel Doctrine classes, FAIR has decided to put together a new study resource. We are calling it “FAIR Study Aids,” and it can be accessed on our wiki at <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_Study_Aids">http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_Study_Aids.</a></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Garamond;">Similar efforts have been made in the past, and the fruits of those labors have also been collected on that page for easy access. This information is a resource for class members and also a preparatory resource for gospel doctrine teachers to help them formulate answers to questions that might arise during their class. It is, of course, not in any way a substitute for the Gospel Doctrine manual, nor should instructors make these topics the focus of class instruction. This information is provided with the understanding that it is an additional resource only.</span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Garamond;">Each week, FAIR volunteers will look at the Sunday School lesson and identify relevant apologetic issues and other related insights, and then compile them into a single, easy to use quick-reference guide with links to additional information. Organization will follow the same structure found in Gospel Doctrine manual, with main headings that correspond with the main sections on the lesson. This should make it easy to identify how any particular item relates to the lesson material. Additional information related to the chapters in the Book of Mormon being covered by the lesson, but which do not fit neatly into the lesson’s structure, will be placed at the bottom of the page. Main sections will be broken down into three sub-sections:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-family: Garamond;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Helpful Insights: </strong>These include various tidbits of information that might be helpful or interesting to discuss as a part of your lesson. They will come from scholarly studies and other sources.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: Garamond;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Potential Criticisms and Faithful Information:</strong> These include potential criticisms that may arise during the lesson, or that are relevant to the topics and themes being discussed, along with information on how to respond with faith supporting information. These are made available so that teachers and students can gain some familiarity with these issues and be prepared should these or similar concerns arise in class. </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Garamond;"><strong>Faith Affirmations:</strong> Here we will make note of various items of evidence for the Book of Mormon along with other information that supports the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and promotes faith in its teachings.   </span></span></li>
</ul>
<p align="left"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Garamond;">The first lesson is already available, and serves as an example. It can be found here: <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_study_aids/Book_of_Mormon/lesson_one">http://en.fairmormon.org/FAIR_study_aids/Book_of_Mormon/lesson_one</a></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Garamond;">Dan Peterson has, in the past, discussed the need for both positive and negative apologetics, and we hope that by providing information in each of these categories we will successfully balance between the necessary task of responding to criticism (“negative apologetics”) with the more enjoyable and uplifting endeavor of building faith (“positive apologetics”).</span></span></p>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 5c: Marriage to a man with same-sex attraction–Joshua &amp; Alyssa Johanson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the third of a three-part interview.]]></description>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 5b: Marriage to a man with same-sex attraction–Joshua &amp; Alyssa Johanson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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			<itunes:subtitle>This is the second part of a three-part episode.</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>This is the second part of a three-part episode.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 5a: Marriage to a man with same-sex attraction–Joshua &amp; Alyssa Johanson</title>
		<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fairldsblog/~3/kpW1e2QlL6I/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Homosexuality]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does a man with same-sex attraction find the only woman in the world to whom he is attracted? In this interview, Joshua Johanson talks about his history with same-sex attraction, his experience as a BYU student and as a member of a singles ward, and introduces us to his wife, Alyssa Johanson. Alyssa shares [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG_1918.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2368" title="IMG_1918" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG_1918-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a>How does a man with same-sex attraction find the only woman in the world to whom he is attracted? In this interview, Joshua Johanson talks about his history with same-sex attraction, his experience as a BYU student and as a member of a singles ward, and introduces us to his wife, Alyssa Johanson. Alyssa shares her insights into being married to a man with same sex-attraction. Joshua and Alyssa also discuss the things that have helped make their marriage successful. As they do so, it becomes clear that their relationship is not all that different from anyone else’s.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">They also discuss Proposition 8, Elder Packer’s October 2010 General Conference address, as well as the following questions:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: small;">Does the Church recommend marriage as a therapeutic measure for someone experiencing same-sex attraction? </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: small;">What is wrong with homosexual activity (kissing, etc.) that stops short of intercourse? </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: small;">If gays can marry, why would sex in that relationship be a violation of the law of chastity? </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: small;">Did Jesus speak out against homosexuality?</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">How can the Church uphold its standards while still extending love to those who experience same-sex attraction?</span></span></li>
</ul>
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		<itunes:summary>How does a man with same-sex attraction find the only woman in the world to whom he is attracted? In this interview, Joshua Johanson talks about his history with same-sex attraction, his experience as a BYU student and as a member of a singles ward, and introduces us to his wife, Alyssa Johanson. Alyssa shares her insights into being married to a man with same sex-attraction. Joshua and Alyssa also discuss the things that have helped make their marriage successful. As they do so, it becomes clear that their relationship is not all that different from anyone else’s.

They also discuss Proposition 8, Elder Packer’s October 2010 General Conference address, as well as the following questions:

	Does the Church recommend marriage as a therapeutic measure for someone experiencing same-sex attraction? 
	What is wrong with homosexual activity (kissing, etc.) that stops short of intercourse? 
	If gays can marry, why would sex in that relationship be a violation of the law of chastity? 
	Did Jesus speak out against homosexuality?
	How can the Church uphold its standards while still extending love to those who experience same-sex attraction?</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
		<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
		<itunes:duration>50:29</itunes:duration>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 4: Fred &amp; Marilyn Matis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Homosexuality]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred &#38; Marilyn Matis are Co-Authors with Ty Mansfield of the book published by Deseret Book called, &#8220;In Quiet Desperation: Understanding the Challenge of Same Gender Attraction.&#8221; Fred and Marilyn are the parents of Stuart Matis, a young man who struggled with same gender attraction. After successfully serving a mission for the LDS Church, Stuart [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &amp; Marilyn Matis are Co-Authors with Ty Mansfield of the book published by Deseret Book called, &#8220;In Quiet Desperation: <a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/fredmarilynmatis_thumbnail.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2356 alignright" title="fredmarilynmatis_thumbnail" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/fredmarilynmatis_thumbnail.jpg" alt="" width="105" height="128" /></a>Understanding the Challenge of Same Gender Attraction.&#8221; Fred and Marilyn are the parents of Stuart Matis, a young man who struggled with same gender attraction. After successfully serving a mission for the LDS Church, Stuart returned home and continued to struggle with same gender attraction for many years until, in February of 2000, at the age of 32, he took his own life. Since that time, Fred &amp; Marilyn have reached out to other individuals who experience same gender attraction and their families to help foster better understanding and support for those who struggle with the unique challenges of same gender attraction.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>Fred &amp; Marilyn Matis are Co-Authors with Ty Mansfield of the book published by Deseret Book called, "In Quiet Desperation: Understanding the Challenge of Same Gender Attraction." Fred and Marilyn are the parents of Stuart Matis, a young man who struggled with same gender attraction. After successfully serving a mission for the LDS Church, Stuart returned home and continued to struggle with same gender attraction for many years until, in February of 2000, at the age of 32, he took his own life. Since that time, Fred &amp; Marilyn have reached out to other individuals who experience same gender attraction and their families to help foster better understanding and support for those who struggle with the unique challenges of same gender attraction.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 3b: Two mothers of sons with same gender attraction</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the second part of a two part interview.]]></description>
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			<itunes:subtitle>This is the second part of a two part interview.</itunes:subtitle>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 3a: Two mothers of sons with same gender attraction</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do Mormon parents respond when they find out they have a son or daughter with same sex attraction? What happens when the child decides the leave the Church and engage in homosexual activity? What can parents do to show love for such a child while still remaining faithful to the Church? In this episode, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do Mormon parents respond when they find out they have a son or daughter with same sex attraction? What happens when the child decides the leave the Church and engage in homosexual activity? What can parents do to show love for such a child while still remaining faithful to the Church? In this episode, two active, LDS mothers talk about their experiences raising sons who are involved in homosexual relationships. It should be noted that they will not be referred to by name out of respect for their sons and for other family members, and they did not feel comfortable using pseudonyms.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>How do Mormon parents respond when they find out they have a son or daughter with same sex attraction? What happens when the child decides the leave the Church and engage in homosexual activity? What can parents do to show love for such a child while still remaining faithful to the Church? In this episode, two active, LDS mothers talk about their experiences raising sons who are involved in homosexual relationships. It should be noted that they will not be referred to by name out of respect for their sons and for other family members, and they did not feel comfortable using pseudonyms.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
		<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
		<itunes:duration>58:42</itunes:duration>
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		<title>Bethany Blankley and the “Mormon Question”</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smoot</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Introduction The great German literary demigod Johann Wolfgang von Goethe once remarked: “There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.” My reading of Bethany Blankley’s recent Huffington Post article has confirmed Goethe’s fear as being my own. In the doleful cacophony that sounds forth from the ranks of fundamentalist Evangelical critics of the Church of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Introduction</strong></p>
<p>The great German literary demigod Johann Wolfgang von Goethe once remarked: “There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.” My reading of Bethany Blankley’s recent <em>Huffington Post</em><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bethany-blankley/mormonism-is-not-christia_b_1120176.html"> article</a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px"> </span>has confirmed Goethe’s fear as being my own. In the doleful cacophony that sounds forth from the ranks of fundamentalist Evangelical critics of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Ms. Blankley is more than suitable at playing first-chair violin. She is an adept <em>Konzertmeisterin </em>who plays with a zealous gusto that is by no means forced into a decrescendo by facts or evidence.</p>
<p>The accusation that Latter-day Saints are not Christians is not new, and it is not it likely to go away anytime soon. So long as fundamentalist Evangelicals dominate the religious landscape of modern America, the benighted Mormons can anticipate this Hydra to rear its ugly heads incessantly. All of the efforts of the Latter-day Saints to quell this tired assertion will almost certainly be in vain, as misinformation, misrepresentation and outright calumny continue to capture the imagination of an ignorant public with scandalous tales of the moral and theological debauchery and baseness of the Mormons.<span id="more-2322"></span></p>
<p>Ms. Blankley, thankfully, withholds from her readers lurid and fanciful tales of polygamy and blood atonement and instead refuses to call members of the Church of Jesus Christ &#8220;Christians&#8221; on theological grounds, viz.:</p>
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<li><strong>The Ministry of Jesus</strong>: “According to the first four gospels of the Bible, Jesus Christ lived and ministered in the region of modern-day Israel. He never appeared in the Americas.”</li>
<li><strong>The Virgin Birth</strong>: “The Mormon Church teaches that Mary, the mother of Jesus, conceived Jesus through sexual relations with God the father.”</li>
<li><strong>The Spirit World</strong>: “Mormons believe that God, angels and humans are the same.”</li>
<li><strong>Jesus and Satan</strong>: “The Mormon church explicitly teaches&#8230;that Jesus Christ and Satan are both sons of God and are not only spirit brothers to each other but are spirit brothers to humans and angels as well.”</li>
</ol>
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<p>Those Latter-day Saints especially attentive to the criticisms usually leveled against their faith will not fail to notice that Ms. Blankley has offered nothing more than a warmed over serving of the sort of cuisine that one might be served by the venerable Ed Decker or the respectable Walter Martin. This is, however, to be expected. I can sympathize with the sentiment put forth by Professor Daniel C. Peterson:</p>
<blockquote><p>Anti-Mormonism of the evangelical kind has come, with a few exceptions, to bore me intensely. It is not only that it tends to be repetitious and uninteresting. (My friend and colleague William Hamblin and I have laughed about doing an autobiographical film entitled <em>Bill and Dan&#8217;s Excellent Adventure in Anti-Mormon Zombie Hell</em>.) It is not merely that the same arguments reappear ad nauseam, no matter how often they have been refuted, and that reviewing essentially the same book for the thirty-second time grows tiresome. (One definition of <em>insanity</em> is that the insane one keeps doing the same thing over and over and over again and expects to get different results.) It is also the deep streak of intellectual dishonesty that runs through much of the countercult industry, the triumphalism that exaggerates and even invents problems on the Mormon side while effectively pretending that no problems remain to be addressed on the so-called &#8220;Christian&#8221; side.[1]</p></blockquote>
<p>Notwithstanding, Ms. Blankley has offered her objections and, I assume, expects to be taken seriously. As such, let us take a few moments to review these four protestations and see how firmly they withstand the scrutinizing gaze of the facts.</p>
<p><strong>The Ministry of Jesus</strong></p>
<p>Ms. Blankley provides a summary of the narrative of the Book of Mormon thusly:</p>
<blockquote><p>Lehi, a Jewish prophet from the tribe of Manassah, left Jerusalem with several others, sailed east and landed in South America. Two of Lehi&#8217;s sons, Lamen and Lemuel, rebelled against God. God cursed them and gave them dark skin &#8212; birthing the Native American race&#8230; [I]n A.D. 34, Jesus Christ descended from heaven, baptized the Native Americans, called and commissioned 12 disciples, instituted sacraments, and taught the message of the Sermon on the Mount.</p></blockquote>
<p>Besides the suspiciously negative way in which she relates some of the details of the Book of Mormon narrative,[2] Ms. Blankley seems to have offered a fair description of the Book of Mormon. Having given the Book of Mormon her superficial treatment, she continues to announce that “according to the first four gospels of the Bible, Jesus Christ lived and ministered in the region of modern-day Israel.&#8221;[3] Because the New Testament is silent on Jesus’ ministry to the Nephites, Ms. Blankley feels safe to conclude that “he never appeared in the Americas.”</p>
<p>I have always been given to understand that an argument from silence is a fallacy. True enough, the New Testament does not relate the details of Jesus’ ministry to the Nephites. But why should it? The authors of the biblical texts, as far as we know, never reached the shores of ancient America. The record of the Apostles of the Old World is just that, a record of Jesus’ dealings in ancient Palestine. It is by no means meant to be a comprehensive evaluation of everything Jesus ever did. “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written” (John 21:25). These are considerably potent cautionary words from one of the biblical authors to those who would assume that if something concerning the life of Jesus is not recorded in the New Testament, it therefore did not happen.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, we are hard pressed to find <em>any</em> details from the Bible pertaining to Jesus’ activities after his resurrection and his initial showing of himself to his apostles, other than a remark by Luke that he spent 40 days teaching his disciples and subsequently ascended into heaven (Acts 1:3-4, 9).<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px"> </span>Just because the biblical authors do not explicitly say Jesus appeared to other people in other lands that does not rule out the possibility. To argue such would be a textbook example of arguing from silence. Furthermore, one wonders what Ms. Blankley makes of Jesus’ words in John 10:16: “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, <em>and</em> one shepherd.” To the Nephites gathered at the temple in the land Bountiful the risen Lord confirmed that they were those of whom he spoke of as his “other sheep” (3 Nephi 15:16-24).</p>
<p><strong>The Virgin Birth</strong></p>
<p>Our authority informs us that “the Mormon Church teaches that Mary, the mother of Jesus, conceived Jesus through sexual relations with God the father” and therefore does not believe Jesus was born of a virgin. As evidence for this claim, Ms. Blankley invokes the teachings of Brigham Young and Bruce R. McConkie to the effect that God the Father had sexual relations with Mary to conceive Jesus. As a matter of fact, the “Mormon Church” <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/article/what-mormons-believe-about-jesus-christ">teaches</a> that “we believe that He was born of a virgin, Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea in what has come to be known as the meridian of time, the central point in salvation history.&#8221; According to Ms. Blankley, “The Bible teaches that Mary, a virgin, &#8220;was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit&#8221; (Matthew 1:18).” Unsurprisingly, so too does the Book of Mormon:</p>
<ul>
<li>And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities. And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white&#8230;.And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms” (1 Nephi 11:13,20).</li>
<li>“And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God” (Alma 7:10).</li>
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<div>But what are we to make of President Young and Elder McConkie’s remarks concerning the siring of Jesus by God the Eternal Father? According to one Church-released <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317272,00.html">statement</a>: “The Church does not claim to know how Jesus was conceived but believes the Bible and Book of Mormon references to Jesus being born of the Virgin Mary.”<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px"> </span>President Young and Elder McConkie are perfectly free to give their opinions on how the miraculous conception of the Savior occurred. Until their pronouncements are accepted as official Church doctrine, however, the Latter-day Saints are not obliged to accept their views as binding doctrine.</div>
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<p>I hasten to add that I am not inherently opposed to the idea put forth by President Young and Elder McConkie that has mortified Ms. Blankley. Given my acceptance of the profound truth restored by Joseph Smith that God is embodied,[4] their idea seems logical. However, given the dearth knowledge we possess concerning the manner of the conception of Jesus, other than it was done by the power of God through miraculous means, I am not willing to stake out any position just yet. As President Harold B. Lee cautioned:</p>
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<blockquote><p>We are very much concerned that some of our Church teachers seem to be obsessed of the idea of teaching doctrine which cannot be substantiated and making comments beyond what the Lord has actually said. You asked about the birth of the Savior. Never have I talked about sexual intercourse between Deity and the mother of the Savior. If teachers were wise in speaking of this matter about which the Lord has said but very little, they would rest their discussion on this subject with merely the words which are recorded on this subject in Luke 1:34-35: &#8220;Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.&#8221; Remember that the being who was brought about by [Mary's] conception was a divine personage. We need not question His method to accomplish His purposes. Perhaps we would do well to remember the words of Isaiah 55:8-9: &#8220;For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.&#8221; Let the Lord rest His case with this declaration and wait until He sees fit to tell us more.[5]</p></blockquote>
<p>What’s more, Ms. Blankley seems to have overlooked some of Elder McConkie’s other writings on this matter (which, incidentally, come from the same volume that she proof-texts in her article):</p>
<blockquote><p>Our Lord is the only mortal person ever born to a virgin, because he is the only  person who ever had an immortal Father. Mary, his mother, &#8220;was carried away in the Spirit&#8221; (1 Ne. 11:13-21), was &#8220;overshadowed&#8221; by the Holy Ghost, and the conception which took place &#8220;by the power of the Holy Ghost&#8221; resulted in the bringing forth of the literal and personal Son of God the Father. (Alma 7:10; 2 Ne. 17:14; Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38.) Christ is not the Son of the Holy Ghost, but of the Father. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 18-20.) Modernistic teachings denying the virgin birth are utterly and completely apostate and false.[6]</p></blockquote>
<p>As is helpfully summarized by the <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Conception">FAIR Wiki</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Critics of the Church like to dig up quotes like those from Brigham Young for their shock value, but such statements do not represent the official doctrine of the Church. Furthermore, critics often read statements through their own theological lenses, and ignore the key distinctions which LDS theology is attempting to make by these statements. Instead, they try to put a salacious spin on the teaching, when this is far from the speakers&#8217; intent. The key, official doctrine of the Church is that Jesus is literally the son of God (i.e., this is not a symbolic or figurative expression), and Mary was a virgin before and after Christ&#8217;s conception.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>The Spirit World</strong></p>
<p>Ms. Blankley is not impressed with the Mormon ontology of God. “Mormons believe that God, angels and humans are the same.” This description is somewhat misleading. In Mormon thought, God(s), angels and humans are the same in the sense that ice and steam are the same. Sure enough, both ice and steam are composed of two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom, but it would not be accurate to say that ice is steam or vice-a-versa. In the same sense, God(s), angels and humans are all beings of matter and intelligence (D&amp;C 93:29; 131:7; Abraham 3:21), but, as Mormon authorities have been clear to distinguish, they are not inherently the same being. They are, instead, beings of the same matter on different levels of progression in eternity.</p>
<p>Ms. Blankley contrasts the heretical Mormon view of the ontology of God with the alleged “biblical” view. “The Bible teaches that angels (immortals) and humans (mortals) are to worship God (the sole eternal being) their creator (Hebrews 1).” We must take exception with Ms. Blankley’s characterization of God as the “sole eternal being” when, as is increasingly being recognized by biblical scholars, the biblical view is actually that of multiple divine beings that are matter-of-factly called <em><span style="color: #000000">elohim</span></em> or gods.[7] We do not, however, take exception with her stance that humans and angels are to worship God the Eternal Father, since this is also the stance of the Church of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>“Angels have taken on anthropomorphic characteristics but they are not human,” writes Ms. Blankley. Well, yes and no. The Hebrew word <em>mal&#8217;ak</em>, which is usually translated as “angel”, can mean either a supernatural being or a human messenger.[8] As with most ambiguities in biblical Hebrew, context is the key in deciphering a proper translation. It is true, however, that divine beings known as “angels” and human beings are not the same type of being. But this is not an issue, since the Latter-day Saints have never claimed otherwise. Ms. Blankley, I am afraid, has misunderstood Mormon angelology. Although angels and humans share common anthropomorphic natures in LDS (and biblical) thought, and although Mormons do believe that men and women who have lived on this earth may become angels to carry forth God’s will, it would not be accurate to say that angels and humans are the same.[9]</p>
<p>And yet, biblical evidence does given credence to the Mormon position that angels and humans share some sort of similar nature. One example from the Book of Revelation sheds light on this question, as explained by Professor Peterson:</p>
<blockquote><p>The &#8220;angels&#8221; of the seven churches of Asia (in Revelation 1–3) may similarly be simply the human representatives of those churches. In both Revelation 19:10   and 22:7–9, an obviously supernatural or superhuman angel describes himself as a &#8220;brother&#8221; to John the Revelator and even identifies himself as one of the prophets.[10]</p></blockquote>
<p>Interestingly, as an aside, there are several ancient extra-biblical texts that speak of the “angelization” of biblical prophets such as Enoch, Moses, Isaiah and others into God&#8217;s angelic host.[11] Those familiar with the biblical concept of the council of the gods will understand how this is significant to our present discussion.[12] Time does not permit me to dwell much more on this topic, other than to note that the LDS view of the relationship between God(s), angels and humans is demonstrably biblical.[13] Of course, Joseph Smith and his prophetic successors have added their own unique prophetic insights into this matter, which is one contributing factor as to why the Latter-day Saints have a unique ontology of God.</p>
<p><strong>Jesus and Satan</strong></p>
<p>Ms. Blankley’s finally concludes her concert with a familiar refrain: “The Mormon church explicitly teaches in the Pearl of Great Price in both the books of Moses (chapter 4) and Abraham (chapter 3) that Jesus Christ and Satan are both sons of God and are not only spirit brothers to each other but are spirit brothers to humans and angels as well.” This time-honored criticism has been frequently employed against the Mormons. The most succinct answer to this accusation that I could find is from the <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Brother_of_Satan">FAIR Wiki</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jesus, Satan, and all humanity share God the Father as their spiritual sire. However, moral agency led Jesus to obey God the Father perfectly and share fully in the Father&#8217;s divine nature and power. The same agency led Satan to renounce God, fight Jesus, and doom himself to eternal damnation. The remainder of God&#8217;s children—all of us—have the choice to follow the route chosen by Satan, or the path to which Christ invites us and shows the way. Divine parenthood gives all children of God potential; Christ maximized that potential, and Satan squandered it.To choose the gospel of Jesus Christ and the grace that attends it will lead us home again. If we choose to follow Satan&#8217;s example, and refuse to accept the gift of God&#8217;s Only Begotten Son, our spiritual parentage cannot help us, just as it cannot help dignify or ennoble Satan.</p></blockquote>
<p>Compare this response to one given by the Church in 2007:</p>
<blockquote><p>Like other Christians, we believe Jesus is the divine Son of God. Satan is a fallen angel. As the Apostle Paul wrote, God is the Father of all. That means that all beings were created by God and are His spirit children. Christ, however, was the only begotten in the flesh, and we worship Him as the Son of God and the Savior of mankind.</p></blockquote>
<p>This should effectively help clarify why there is no problem with Ms. Blankley’s statement that “the Bible teaches that God has only one son, Jesus Christ (John 3:16, 17) who came to destroy the work of the devil (I John 3:8).” The Latter-day Saints could not agree more with this sentiment. It would be wholly foolish to somehow imply that Mormons believe Satan is comparable to Jesus in attributes or character, as Ms. Blankley seems to be insinuating here, because they share a common pedigree. Considering that this point has been addressed in a number of times, I will not say much more, other than to direct any readers to some valuable articles located on the FAIR website.[14]</p>
<p><strong>The Larger Issue</strong></p>
<p>We have now reviewed Ms. Blankley’s objections against the Church of Jesus Christ, and found them wanting. She would do well to carefully review some of the salient literature on the faith of the Latter-day Saints before she once again offers her opinions in the public sphere. But what is the overall take-away message that Ms. Blankley seems to be imparting to her readers? Simply this: that Mormons are not Christians because of theological differences between Mormonism and mainstream Christian denominations. Unfortunately, this argument cannot be sustained. Theological differences do not disqualify someone from being a Christian.[15] Consider these two points, which I have raised <a href="http://www.fairblog.org/2011/07/18/mitt-romney-fox-news-and-the-mormon-question-a-few-questions-for-discussion/">elsewhere</a>:</p>
<ol>
<li>Who in the first place gets to define who is and who isn’t “Christian”? By what authority does this person or group make this determination? What were the standards employed in creating this criteria? Why were these standards selected over others? Etc., etc. To merely assert that <em>you</em> get to define Christian and Christianity without offering any compelling justification is not impressive in the slightest.</li>
<li>To disqualify somebody else from being a Christian on theological grounds begs the question that <em>your</em> particular theological beliefs are correct. Before you begin disqualifying anyone from being a “Christian” on “biblical” terms you must first demonstrate what “biblical” theology actually is, and that your particular brand of theology is consistent therewith; no easy feat for traditional Christians who have been disagreeing amongst themselves as to what is “biblical” doctrine is since the inception of Christianity.[16]</li>
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<div>Thus, in the end, we leave Ms. Blankley’s arguments undeterred in our conviction that Mormons are Christians. Although her concert has been somewhat enjoyable on account of its Quixotic nature, we, the audience, are left breathlessly underwhelmed. She has failed to summon any convincing evidence to support her gratuitous slams against the faith of the Saints. Ms. Blankley is, of course, free to believe that Mormons are not Christians. And she is free to continue to opine on this and other subjects. I am not troubled by her musings in the slightest, as I take solace in the fact that the authoritative <em>Oxford English Dictionary</em> defines “Mormon” as: “A member or adherent of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, a millenary Christian sect founded in 1830 at Manchester, New York, by Joseph Smith.&#8221;[17]</div>
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<p>It is comforting that the time honored reference for the English language, the <em>Oxford English Dictionary,</em> agrees with millions of other people that Mormons are, in fact, Christians.</p>
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<p>Notes:</p>
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<p>[1]: Daniel C. Peterson, “Reflections on Secular Anti-Mormonism,” <em>FARMS Review</em> 17/2 (2005): 423.</p>
<p>[2]: On the insinuation of racism in the Book of Mormon, see John A. Tvedtnes, “The Charge of ‘Racism’ in the Book of Mormon,” <em>FARMS Review</em> 15/2 (2003): 183-198; Brant A. Gardner, <em>Second Witness: Analytical and Contextual Commentary on the Book of Mormon</em> (Salt Lake City: Greg Kofford Books, 2007), 2:108-123.</p>
<p>[3]: At the risk of sounding pedantic, I would like to point out that the “first four gospels of the Bible” are, in fact, the <em>only</em> four gospels of the <em>New Testament</em>.</p>
<p>[4]: David L. Paulsen, “Divine Embodiment: The Earliest Christian Understanding of God,” in Noel B. Reynolds, ed., <em>Early Christians in Disarray: Contemporary LDS Perspectives on the Christian Apostasy</em> (Provo: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 2005), 239-294.</p>
<p>[5]: Harold B. Lee, <em>Teachings of Harold B. Lee</em> (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1996), 14.</p>
<p>[6]: Bruce R. McConkie, <em>Mormon Doctrine</em>, 2nd edition, (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966), 822.</p>
<p>[7]: See generally E. Theodore Mullen, Jr., <em>The Assembly of the Gods: The Divine Council in Canannite and Early Hebrew Literature</em>, Harvard Semitic Monographs No. 24 (Chico: Scholar’s Press, 1980); See John Day, <em>Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan</em> (Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 2000); William Dever, <em>Did God Have a Wife? Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel </em>(Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2005); Mark S. Smith, <em>The Origins of Biblical Monotheism: Israel’s Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts</em> (New York: Oxford University Press, 2001); Margaret Barker, <em>The Great Angel: A Study of Israel’s Second God</em> (Louisville: Westminster John Knox Press, 1992).</p>
<p>[8]: H. W. F. Gesenius, <em>Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon of the Old Testament, </em>reprint (Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 1990), 475.</p>
<p>[9]: See the discussion on LDS angelology offered by Matthew B. Brown, <em>All Things Restored: Evidences and Witnesses of the Restoration</em>, 2nd ed. (American Fork: Covenant Communication, 2006), 115.</p>
<p>[10]: Daniel C. Peterson, &#8220;Ye Are Gods: Psalm 82 and John 10 as Witnesses to the Divine Nature of Humankind,&#8221; in <em>The Disciple as Scholar: Essays on Scripture and the Ancient World in Honor of Richard Lloyd Anderson</em>, ed. Andrew H. Hedges, Donald W. Parry, and Stephen D. Ricks (Provo: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 2000), 504-505, see also 505-506.</p>
<p>[11]: John Lierman, <em>The New Testament Moses: Christian Perceptions of Moses and Israel in the Setting of Jewish Religion</em> (Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2004), 238-253; Crispian H. T. Fletcher-Louis, <em>Luke-Acts: Angels, Christology, and Soteriology</em> (Tübigen: J.C.B. Mohr, 1997).</p>
<p>[12]: David Bokovoy, “‘Ye Really <em>Are</em> Gods’: A Response to Michael Heiser Concerning the LDS Use of Psalm 82 and the Gospel of John,” <em>FARMS Review</em> 19/1 (2007): 299-300.</p>
<p>[13]: Daniel C. Peterson, &#8220;Ye Are Gods: Psalm 82 and John 10 as Witnesses to the Divine Nature of Humankind&#8221;, 471-594.</p>
<p>[14]: See especially Michael Hickenbotham, &#8220;Do Latter-day Saints Believe Jesus and Satan are Brothers?&#8221;, online <a href="http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/JesusSatan.pdf">here</a>.</p>
<p>[15]: On this, see the excellent treatment offered by Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen R. Ricks, <em>Offenders for a Word: How Anti-Mormons Play Word Games to Attack the Latter-day Saints</em> (Provo: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1992). Also helpful is the very recent offering of Kent P. Jackson, &#8220;Are Christians Christian?,&#8221; in Robert L. Millet, ed., <em>No Weapon Shall Prosper: New Light on Sensitive Issues</em> (Provo: Religious Studies Center, 2011), 43-59.</p>
<p>[16]: See generally Bart D. Ehrman,<em> Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths we Never Knew</em> (New York: Oxford University Press, 2003), for an introduction to this subject.</p>
<p>[17]: <em>Oxford English Dictionary</em>, online version, s.v., &#8220;Mormon&#8221;.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>  - When we think of people with same sex attraction, we usually don't imagine a temple-married, active LDS, mother of two. Yet that is what we find in this interview with "Samantha." Interestingly, a person such as she may not be as uncommon as we of...</itunes:subtitle>
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When we think of people with same sex attraction, we usually don't imagine a temple-married, active LDS, mother of two. Yet that is what we find in this interview with "Samantha." Interestingly, a person such as she may not be as uncommon as we often believe. LDS Family Social Services estimates that 4-5 members in the average LDS ward experience same gender attraction. Most of those are married with children. In this interview, “Samantha” tells about her experiences with Church leaders at BYU and in her home ward over the years. She also helps to provide insight into how fellow family members and ward members can help lift the burden of someone who experiences same gender attraction.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
		<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
		<itunes:duration>1:11:54</itunes:duration>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 1b: Why would a gay man with AIDS join the Church?</title>
		<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fairldsblog/~3/PQ-5tXyda1A/</link>
		<comments>http://www.fairblog.org/2011/11/30/fair-examination-1b-why-would-a-gay-man-with-aids-join-the-church/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 01:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Homosexuality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[podcast]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the second half of a two part interview with Steven Wilson.]]></description>
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			<itunes:keywords>homosexuality,podcast</itunes:keywords>
		<itunes:subtitle>This is the second half of a two part interview with Steven Wilson.</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>This is the second half of a two part interview with Steven Wilson.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
		<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
		<itunes:duration>48:50</itunes:duration>
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		<title>FAIR Examination 1a: Why would a gay man with AIDS join the Church?</title>
		<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fairldsblog/~3/LaEQmhRwMZM/</link>
		<comments>http://www.fairblog.org/2011/11/30/fair-examination-1a-why-would-a-gay-man-with-aids-join-the-church/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Homosexuality]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steven Wilson is a member of the Church living in the San Francisco Bay area. Twenty years ago, he was introduced to the Church by a recently returned missionary he met in a gay bar. The two eventually moved in together and during the next seven years, Steven developed addictions, contracted AIDS and became severely [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2011-Easter-pix-2.jpg"><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2011-Easter-pix-2.jpg" alt="" width="229" height="291" /></a>Steven Wilson is a member of the Church living in the San Francisco Bay area. Twenty years ago, he was introduced to the Church by a recently returned missionary he met in a gay bar. The two eventually moved in together and during the next seven years, Steven developed addictions, contracted AIDS and became severely depressed. As Steven&#8217;s condition worsened and he began to feel that he was going to die, he turned to an in-depth investigation of the Church.</p>
<p>This is his story about how he joined the Church, and eventually became an ordinance worker at the Oakland Temple. He is now happy and no longer experiences temptations with same gender attraction. He was baptized by the same returned missionary that first introduced him to the Church and with whom he has lived for the past 20 years. During the past 13 years of active Church membership, the two men have maintained a close bond of love, friendship and brotherhood within the gospel. He attributes his success in overcoming same gender attraction and his addictions to the Church’s 12 Step Addiction Recovery Program and to the atonement of Jesus Christ. He shares his thoughts on gay marriage, President Packer&#8217;s October, 2010 Conference talk, and his strong testimony of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.</p>
<p>This is the first part of a two part interview.</p>
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			<itunes:keywords>homosexuality,podcast</itunes:keywords>
		<itunes:subtitle>Steven Wilson is a member of the Church living in the San Francisco Bay area. Twenty years ago, he was introduced to the Church by a recently returned missionary he met in a gay bar. The two eventually moved in together and during the next seven years,</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>Steven Wilson is a member of the Church living in the San Francisco Bay area. Twenty years ago, he was introduced to the Church by a recently returned missionary he met in a gay bar. The two eventually moved in together and during the next seven years, Steven developed addictions, contracted AIDS and became severely depressed. As Steven's condition worsened and he began to feel that he was going to die, he turned to an in-depth investigation of the Church.

This is his story about how he joined the Church, and eventually became an ordinance worker at the Oakland Temple. He is now happy and no longer experiences temptations with same gender attraction. He was baptized by the same returned missionary that first introduced him to the Church and with whom he has lived for the past 20 years. During the past 13 years of active Church membership, the two men have maintained a close bond of love, friendship and brotherhood within the gospel. He attributes his success in overcoming same gender attraction and his addictions to the Church’s 12 Step Addiction Recovery Program and to the atonement of Jesus Christ. He shares his thoughts on gay marriage, President Packer's October, 2010 Conference talk, and his strong testimony of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

This is the first part of a two part interview.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
		<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
		<itunes:duration>43:35</itunes:duration>
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		<title>Mormon FAIR-Cast 62: “A Most Remarkable Book”</title>
		<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fairldsblog/~3/8_GqKSF9z_s/</link>
		<comments>http://www.fairblog.org/2011/11/27/mormon-fair-cast-62-a-most-remarkable-book/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SteveDensleyJr</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Book of Abraham]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this KSL Radio interview, Religion Today host, Martin Tanner, talks with Tyler Livingston, Stephen Smoot and Mike Ash, some of the producers of the recently released DVD on the Book of Abraham called &#8220;A Most Remarkable Book: Evidence for the Divine Authenticity of the Book of Abraham&#8221; This broadcast is posted here by permission [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/1260-1484-thickbox.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2251 alignleft" title="1260-1484-thickbox" src="http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/1260-1484-thickbox-300x300.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" /></a>In this KSL Radio interview, Religion Today host, Martin Tanner, talks with Tyler Livingston, Stephen Smoot and Mike Ash, some of the producers of the recently released DVD on the Book of Abraham called <a href="http://bookstore.fairlds.org/product.php?id_product=1260">&#8220;A Most Remarkable Book: Evidence for the Divine Authenticity of the Book of Abraham&#8221;</a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">This broadcast is posted here by permission of KSL Radio.</p>
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			<itunes:subtitle>In this KSL Radio interview, Religion Today host, Martin Tanner, talks with Tyler Livingston, Stephen Smoot and Mike Ash, some of the producers of the recently released DVD on the Book of Abraham called "A Most Remarkable Book: Evidence for the Divine ...</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>In this KSL Radio interview, Religion Today host, Martin Tanner, talks with Tyler Livingston, Stephen Smoot and Mike Ash, some of the producers of the recently released DVD on the Book of Abraham called "A Most Remarkable Book: Evidence for the Divine Authenticity of the Book of Abraham"
This broadcast is posted here by permission of KSL Radio.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>SteveDensleyJr</itunes:author>
		<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
		<itunes:duration>9:59</itunes:duration>
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		<title>FAIR Issues 30: Joseph’s translation shows remarkable consistency</title>
		<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fairldsblog/~3/-9otp8RDL4A/</link>
		<comments>http://www.fairblog.org/2011/11/25/fair-issues-30-josephs-translation-shows-remarkable-consistency/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 04:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ash</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Book of Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[podcast]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[translation]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[The entire Book of Mormon was translated in a span of 65 to 75 days. As Joseph translated, he did not have any manuscripts or books from which to read. After spending hours dictating the translation, Joseph would take a break for a meal or other interruption, then pick up the translation where he had [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Book of Mormon was translated in a span of 65 to 75 days. As Joseph translated, he did not have any manuscripts or books from which to read. After spending hours dictating the translation, Joseph would take a break for a meal or other interruption, then pick up the translation where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him. If Joseph was dictating fiction and never had past portions read back to him, how did he keep things straight and consistent for nearly six hundred pages without forgetting at least some of the details?</p>
<p>We stand in awe at how this relatively uneducated young man could produce a work that not only teaches eternal doctrinal principles but also weaves many tales of war, politics, migrations, and geography. Not only are the records of these events consistent, but they often match what we now know about ancient societies in the Near East and early Americas.</p>
<p>The full text of this article can be found at <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705379553/Josephs-translation-shows-remarkable-consistency.html">Deseret News online</a>.</p>
<p>Brother Ash is author of the book Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One’s Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt, as well as the book, of Faith and Reason: 80 Evidences Supporting the Prophet Joseph Smith. Both books are available for purchase online through the <a href="http://bookstore.fairlds.org/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=4">FAIR Bookstore</a>.</p>
<p>Tell your friends about the Mormon FAIR-Cast. Share a link on your Facebook page and help increase the popularity of the Mormon FAIR-Cast by subscribing to this podcast in <a href="http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/fair-blog/id397315546">iTunes</a>, and by rating it and writing a review.</p>
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			<itunes:keywords>Book of Mormon,podcast,translation</itunes:keywords>
		<itunes:subtitle>The entire Book of Mormon was translated in a span of 65 to 75 days. As Joseph translated, he did not have any manuscripts or books from which to read. After spending hours dictating the translation, Joseph would take a break for a meal or other interr...</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>The entire Book of Mormon was translated in a span of 65 to 75 days. As Joseph translated, he did not have any manuscripts or books from which to read. After spending hours dictating the translation, Joseph would take a break for a meal or other interruption, then pick up the translation where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him. If Joseph was dictating fiction and never had past portions read back to him, how did he keep things straight and consistent for nearly six hundred pages without forgetting at least some of the details?

We stand in awe at how this relatively uneducated young man could produce a work that not only teaches eternal doctrinal principles but also weaves many tales of war, politics, migrations, and geography. Not only are the records of these events consistent, but they often match what we now know about ancient societies in the Near East and early Americas.

The full text of this article can be found at Deseret News online.

Brother Ash is author of the book Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One’s Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt, as well as the book, of Faith and Reason: 80 Evidences Supporting the Prophet Joseph Smith. Both books are available for purchase online through the FAIR Bookstore.

Tell your friends about the Mormon FAIR-Cast. Share a link on your Facebook page and help increase the popularity of the Mormon FAIR-Cast by subscribing to this podcast in iTunes, and by rating it and writing a review.</itunes:summary>
		<itunes:author>Mike Ash</itunes:author>
		<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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