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[haiku] Re: On Window Switching (Michel Clasquin-Johnson)

On 10 Nov 2009, at 9:02 AM, Ankur Sethi wrote: I use Windows (work!), Mac OSX, Linux and Haiku, and I am finding myself pressing ALT-C in Windows, CTRL-C in Haiku ... can't we all just get along? ...

[haiku] Re: On Window Switching (Johan Aires Rast�n)

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Axel Drfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Furthermore, we use Alt as a general command key, not Control. That the Alt-Tab behaviour is switched to is actually consistent; if you switch to Windows/Linux command key behaviour, you will use Alt-Tab to switch the apps, just like in Windows/Linux. In that case I think it makes more sense to keep the current bindings. Alt + something for application specific shortcuts. Ctrl + something ...

[haiku] R: Re: On Window Switching (zumikkebe@xxxxxxxxxxx)

----Messaggio originale---- Da: axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Data: 10-nov-2009 9.24 AM A: haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Ogg: [haiku] Re: On Window Switching Ankur Sethi get.me.ankur@xxxxxxxxx wrote: IMO, window switching in Haiku is currently less than optimal. I ...

[haiku] Re: On Window Switching (Axel D�rfler)

Ankur Sethi get.me.ankur@xxxxxxxxx wrote: IMO, window switching in Haiku is currently less than optimal. I see two major problems with it. 1. Pressing Ctrl+Tab on a modern PC keyboard is painful. You have to hold down Ctrl with your pinky, then twist your hand so you can get your middle finger to the Tab key, which gets painful. The second method involves moving your hand off the home row of the keyboard so that your thumb shifts from the Spacebar to the Ctrl key, which is again quite painful. Command+Tab and Command+` are currently not ...

[haiku] Re: On Window Switching (Ryan Leavengood)

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Ankur Sethi get.me.ankur@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Since Command is actually Alt on a regular PC keyboard, changing window switching to Command+Tab and Command+` will make the behavior consistent across all 4 platforms. I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, since that consistency across platforms is a nice side affect. And while I'm not exactly a touch typist (believe it or not) I agree that Ctrl-Tab is quite a finger stretcher. I don't really notice but I suspect I just move my thumb ...

[haiku] Re: On Window Switching (Ankur Sethi)

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Michel Clasquin-Johnson clasqm@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I use Windows (work!), Mac OSX, Linux and Haiku, and I am finding myself pressing ALT-C in Windows, CTRL-C in Haiku ... can't we all just get along? Since Command is actually Alt on a regular PC keyboard, changing window switching to Command+Tab and Command+` will make the behavior consistent across all 4 platforms. ...

[haiku] Re: On Window Switching (Michel Clasquin-Johnson)

On 10 Nov 2009, at 7:24 AM, Ankur Sethi wrote: Hi, I've been meaning to send this email for a while, but I always feared changing the original BeOS shortcuts might not go down well with most users since changing muscle-memory can be painful. ...

[haiku] On Window Switching (Ankur Sethi)

Hi, I've been meaning to send this email for a while, but I always feared changing the original BeOS shortcuts might not go down well with most users since changing muscle-memory can be painful. IMO, window switching in Haiku is currently less than optimal. I see two major problems with it. 1. Pressing Ctrl+Tab on a modern PC keyboard is painful. You have to ...

[haiku] Re: [haiku-development] RFC: WorkInProgress/HaikuTrademarkPolicy (Urias McCullough)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Matt Madia mattmadia@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I'm hoping that by providing a condensed version of Mozilla's Trademark Policy, it will be easier to identify which portions are desired to be in Haiku's Trademark Policy, which aren't, and issues that it does not address. Thoughts? Which list should we focus our comments on? ...

[haiku] RFC: WorkInProgress/HaikuTrademarkPolicy (Matt Madia)

(cross posted to haiku-development, please respond on the general list) Over the past few days, I took some time to review Mozilla's Trademark Policy. Using that, I created a near verbatim outline at The purpose of having the content reside on Trac's wiki, is to make it easier for the project contributors to edit and add to it. However, everyone should feel free to comment. ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (PulkoMandy)

Le Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:35:22 +0100, Dustin Howett alaricx@xxxxxxxxx a crit: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Maxime Simon simon.maxime@xxxxxxxxx wrote: ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Dustin Howett)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Maxime Simon simon.maxime@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Actually Grub2 configuration is in /etc/default/grub and then you should run update-grub. The scripts files in /etc/grub would be modified with this latest command. What? You edit things in a default directory??? Who comes up with this crap? The maintainers of Debian and Debian-descended distributions. It's an ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Skar Cat)

our bootman can manage with linux? cause if is more easy to set up then can be my option, now i am an alfa tester and one of the most big fan of this OS and want use it all days as soon as posible. while i wait for good paint editor and blender, like to me test the new aplications and some days send bug reports or any other help. then i ll try this week to install new images of haiku in my HD and will continue, linux dont convence me no more...but i dont want return to windows :(. bye ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Maxime Simon)

Actually Grub2 configuration is in /etc/default/grub and then you should run update-grub. The scripts files in /etc/grub would be modified with this latest command. What? You edit things in a default directory??? Who comes up with this crap? ...

[haiku] Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (luroh)

Hi, On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Skar Cat skarmiglione.sk4r@xxxxxxxxx wrote: hi today i had the surprise, wich this version of ubuntu has changed the grub way to configure it...then my question is how can i set my grub to have haiku booting? Assuming you mean Ubuntu 9.10, the following procedure worked for me: 1. Add the following four rows to your /etc/grub.d/40_custom, ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (PulkoMandy)

I like the idea of grub2 because now updating it won't screw up your customizations, but the actual implementation leaves a lot to be desired. Yes indeed. Though I'm pretty sure I've customized my grub.lst before and never had it screwed up after kernel updates. So for me (and I suspect most people) this is a solution looking for a problem. ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ivan Vodopiviz)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Ivan Vodopiviz merkoth@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Anyhow, I guess this is enough Linux/Grub bashing, and I'm sure we all have enough reasons to want Haiku instead of Linux on our desktops or laptops. I want Haiku because I like it, not because I think Linux sucks. Actually, I've been a happy Linux user for about eight years now. In the same way, I use Linux because I like it, not because I don't have to pay for it nor because I hate Microsoft. ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Fran�ois Revol)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Franois Revol revol@xxxxxxx wrote: Because it must work on a server, and there is no GUI there :p Most Linux text-mode installers would disagree with you. It is possible to implement wizards in text-mode: X and the kernel have been doing something similar for years. Yes but those are for n00bs :p ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ryan Leavengood)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Ivan Vodopiviz merkoth@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Most Linux text-mode installers would disagree with you. It is possible to implement wizards in text-mode: X and the kernel have been doing something similar for years. That was my thought as well. I like the idea of grub2 because now updating it won't screw up your customizations, but the actual implementation leaves a lot to be ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ivan Vodopiviz)

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Fran�ois Revol)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Maxime Simon simon.maxime@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Actually Grub2 configuration is in /etc/default/grub and then you should run update-grub. The scripts files in /etc/grub would be modified with this latest command. What? You edit things in a default directory??? ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ryan Leavengood)

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Maxime Simon)

setting up the Grub boot menu? What? I'm sure that makes perfect sense in the mind of a Linux geek (and I see some benefits), but the after user is just going to scratch their head. Just another example of Of course I meant average user, not after user (whatever that would be.) But I'm sure everyone got the point. Actually Grub2 configuration is in /etc/default/grub and then you should ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ryan Leavengood)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: setting up the Grub boot menu? What? I'm sure that makes perfect sense in the mind of a Linux geek (and I see some benefits), but the after user is just going to scratch their head. Just another example of Of course I meant average user, not after user (whatever that would be.) But I'm sure everyone got the point. -- Regards, ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ryan Leavengood)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Ankur Sethi get.me.ankur@xxxxxxxxx wrote: IMO, Grub2 adds needless complexity to a process that was once quite simple. Good to see the Linux guys continuing to shoot themselves in the foot with needless complexity for simple tasks. Executable scripts for setting up the Grub boot menu? What? I'm sure that makes perfect sense in the mind of a Linux geek (and I see some benefits), but the after user is just going to scratch their head. Just another example of things Haiku should NOT emulate from Linux. ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Jorge G. Mare)

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 20:13 +0530, Ankur Sethi wrote: IMO, Grub2 adds needless complexity to a process that was once quite simple. Anyway, here's a nice guide I found from a quick Google search: This worked for me: Regards, ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ankur Sethi)

IMO, Grub2 adds needless complexity to a process that was once quite simple. Anyway, here's a nice guide I found from a quick Google search: -- Salut, General Maximus ...

[haiku] Re: Suggestions to change double click on window title behaviour (Fran�ois Revol)

Also, as for curved windows, I heard today when they were aded to Amiga OS they generated so much debate that they eventually added a preference to allow you to select different levels (or no) curves! Well it can be useful for some stuff (like BeOClock :p), but generally they are overused by apps on windows to make their own fake decors in skinned apps, which is awfully ugly. The look of GUIs are a topic will you never agreement on because a lot ...

[haiku] Re: Migration from Basho to Official Localization of Haiku (Fran�ois Revol)

If SHINTA were willing to open source all the code, then that would be possible; I have asked him, and waiting for a response. But if open sourcing is not possible (which could well be the case), then Anthy would have to be part of some sort of optional (language?) package. In this case, I would still leave Canna where it is, just in case. Or someone else can rewrite the closed source part, but it'd be a shame to waste resource on existing stuff. ...

[haiku] Re: Migration from Basho to Official Localization of Haiku (Fran�ois Revol)

I don't see how closed source apps would be part of our svn... If you want it part of the base system, it would better be licenced under MIT licence ... base system is a bit fuzzy. IMO, the svn repository should only contain open source software available as under a free license. Regarding optional packages (or later packages installable via the package manager), closed ...

[haiku] Re: Who is Haiku for? (Dane Scott - TuneTracker Systems)

Haiku manages to have all of them quite well, actually. The CLI binding is totally unobtrusive (think of commands like hey or alert). Discoverability comes from both simplicity and efficience if you mic them properly. Avoid having an advanced button hiding anything complex, and it's fine. I like how well this thread has captured the spirit of what Haiku is trying to do, and the paragraph above sums it up for me. Haiku is doing a wonderful job of following BeOS' advanced capabilities with a simple interface approach. ...

[haiku] Re: AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (PulkoMandy)

2009/11/9 Ronny Wisor RonnyWisor@xxxxxx: Did they switch to grub2 ? If so I can send you my configuration file for haiku when I get back home this afternoon. They switched to grub2. The configuration file is located in /boot/grub/grub.cfg You could send him your grub config file, but probably his hard disk isnt partitioned like yours. ...

[haiku] Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Jean-Marc Louviaux)

Hi, Just add : title Haiku root (hd0,5) chainloader +1 Where (hd0,5) point to your haiku partition. You can use a grub editor for more facility. ...

[haiku] Re: Who is Haiku for? (PulkoMandy)

I agree with Humdinger that everybody probably wants an easy-to-use UI. But I think one of the problems is that most of the geeks are unable to look at it from something else than their own perspective. If they can use the UI effectively they're sure that it's perfect for everybody. They don't mind reading manuals so they assume that anyone can and wants to read a manual to figure something out. And of course, many seem to believe that interaction design is only about choosing colours and deciding if buttons should be square or rounded. This is not at all how I think when building an interface. I'm ...

[haiku] AW: Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Ronny Wisor)

Did they switch to grub2 ? If so I can send you my configuration file for haiku when I get back home this afternoon. They switched to grub2. The configuration file is located in /boot/grub/grub.cfg You could send him your grub config file, but probably his hard disk isnt partitioned like yours. ...

[haiku] Re: [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (PulkoMandy)

2009/11/9 Skar Cat skarmiglione.sk4r@xxxxxxxxx: hi today i had the surprise, wich this version of ubuntu has changed the grub way to configure it...then my question is how can i set my grub to have haiku booting? Did they switch to grub2 ? If so I can send you my configuration file for haiku when I get back home this afternoon. -- ...

[haiku] Re: Migration from Basho to Official Localization of Haiku (Axel D�rfler)

Jorge G. Mare koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: f SHINTA were willing to open source all the code, then that would be possible; I have asked him, and waiting for a response. But if open sourcing is not possible (which could well be the case), then Anthy would have to be part of some sort of optional (language?) package. In this case, I would still leave Canna where it is, just in case. Sounds reasonably to me. ...

[haiku] Re: Who is Haiku for? (Johan Aires Rast�n)

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Nicholas Blachford nicholas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: So, who is Haiku for? 1) Casual users 2) Geeks 3) Both Good question, I'm glad someone brought it up! ...

[haiku] Re: Who is Haiku for? (Humdinger)

-- Nicholas Blachford, on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:41:42 +0000: Some systems can be very elitist and some are downright hostile towards casual users. I never found this was the case with BeOS and I hope this is also true with Haiku. Hey, I saw you running Haiku at BG19, so you should know that. :) *By casual users I mean non-computer enthusiasts. ...

[haiku] [haiku]how to set the grub on karmic koala? (Skar Cat)

hi today i had the surprise, wich this version of ubuntu has changed the grub way to configure it...then my question is how can i set my grub to have haiku booting? ...

[haiku] Re: Who is Haiku for? (Izomiac)

So, who is Haiku for? 1) Casual users 2) Geeks 3) Both IMHO we should aim for the Power User group. So, not Joe Sixpack who doesn't know a computer from a microwave, and not the developers that live and breath their OS. ...

[haiku] Re: haiku Digest V9 #273 (Nicholas Blachford)

PulkoMandy wrote: Also, I think if we ever add shadows to haiku, they would not like blurry like you did, but more like the ones we have for icons : precise, and only to the down-right. Sharp shadows may look nicer but when you get multiple overlapping windows they get very complex to draw. ...

[haiku] Re: Who is Haiku for? (Alexandre Deckner)

Nicholas Blachford nicholas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Who is Haiku for? Who will the end users be? This question came to me out of the GUI discussions, is a very important question because much in the design of the GUI and how it is used is based on the answer to this question. It also determines how many people end up using the system. ...

[haiku] Re: Haiku gcc2hybrid and software for gcc4 (Ryan Leavengood)

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:24 AM, scott mc scottmc2@xxxxxxxxx wrote: As for David's arguments, mostly all valid points, and debate it good here. Hopefully we can iron out a design for the package manager that will cover all the bases, although it may have to go through a couple iterations before we get it right. Keeping David's views in mind I would urge us not to overengineer the package manager system and make good use of Haiku's unique attributes to avoid some of the negatives from other systems. Keep it simple. ...

[haiku] Re: Who is Haiku for? (Skar Cat)

what type of geeks? i ever believe haiku are for multimedia designer, and could be a free alternative to windows and mac os x, no complex use methods 2009/11/8 Nicholas Blachford nicholas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Who is Haiku for? Who will the end users be? ...

[haiku] Who is Haiku for? (Nicholas Blachford)

Who is Haiku for? Who will the end users be? This question came to me out of the GUI discussions, is a very important question because much in the design of the GUI and how it is used is based on the answer to this question. It also determines how many people end up using the system. ...

[haiku] Re: Suggestions to change double click on window title behaviour (PulkoMandy)

The look of GUIs are a topic will you never agreement on because a lot of it is personal preference. I think the best thing is to have a preferences that allow you to fiddle with it (preferably behind an advanced button to avoid scaring people!), beyond that I think the GUI should be skinnable so you can alter it as you see fit. Hiding things is bad UI design. I'm Ok with making the gui somewhat skinnable (by code, not by ugly bitmap-based themes), but then just let the user chose from some presets. You may want to look at Amiga MUI ...

[haiku] Re: Suggestions to change double click on window title behaviour (Nicholas Blachford)

Hi, Pic 3 is now fixed, not sure what happened there. The texture was added because flat grey windows still look flat, the image doesn't quite show what I wanted but gives the general idea. Also, as for curved windows, I heard today when they were aded to ...

[haiku] Re: Migration from Basho to Official Localization of Haiku (Jorge G. Mare)

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 18:23 +0100, PulkoMandy wrote: base system is a bit fuzzy. IMO, the svn repository should only contain open source software available as under a free license. Regarding optional packages (or later packages installable via the package manager), closed source software is fine by me, but I think I'd prefer our releases to contain free software only, respectively at least make non-free software an opt-in installation option. base system would be what you get when building from svn trunk without any optional package. So, Anthy could still be integrated to ...

[haiku] Re: Migration from Basho to Official Localization of Haiku (PulkoMandy)

base system is a bit fuzzy. IMO, the svn repository should only contain open source software available as under a free license. Regarding optional packages (or later packages installable via the package manager), closed source software is fine by me, but I think I'd prefer our releases to contain free software only, respectively at least make non-free software an opt-in installation option. base system would be what you get when building from svn trunk without any optional package. So, Anthy could still be integrated to releases and that's fine for me, but please consider open sourcing it ...