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		<title>Comment on Here’s what’s happening now by carinade almeida</title>
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		<dc:creator>carinade almeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 06:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm we were wondering what happened to you. Have fun and see ya soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm we were wondering what happened to you. Have fun and see ya soon!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Friday: Why we #Occupy by Setár, self-appointed Elf-Sheriff of the Pharyngula Star Chamber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Setár, self-appointed Elf-Sheriff of the Pharyngula Star Chamber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 04:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That we have this staggering evidence, and yet can still easily run into libertarian "skeptics" (most notably Micheal Shermer and Penn Jillette) who advocate for a hell of a lot more of the same policies that have gotten us here (or worse, like an outright return to 1920s policies), suggests to me that &lt;i&gt;we need more skeptical politics.&lt;/i&gt; Even for atheists, politics still gets treated somewhat like a sacred cow =/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That we have this staggering evidence, and yet can still easily run into libertarian &#8220;skeptics&#8221; (most notably Micheal Shermer and Penn Jillette) who advocate for a hell of a lot more of the same policies that have gotten us here (or worse, like an outright return to 1920s policies), suggests to me that <i>we need more skeptical politics.</i> Even for atheists, politics still gets treated somewhat like a sacred cow =/</p>
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		<title>Comment on Here’s what’s happening now by John Horstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 21:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you have a great time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you have a great time!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Here’s what’s happening now by Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 19:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are loved, Crommunist; enjoy and take care of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are loved, Crommunist; enjoy and take care of yourself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Here’s what’s happening now by WilloNyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilloNyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your readers will eagerly await your return. I hope the vacation is a restful one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your readers will eagerly await your return. I hope the vacation is a restful one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Friday: Why we #Occupy by John Horstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I definitely misread your question. You're correct that, assuming the same method for each graph, relative mobility (movement between quintiles) has increased somewhat.

There's a problem with using this metric as a measure of market health/fairness, however. As income distribution becomes more skewed toward the top earners, smaller fluctuations in income result in larger relative mobility. If the top quintile represents 50% of total income, one's income has to change more in real-dollar terms in order to move two or more quintiles than if the top quintile represents 80% of total income. The range of incomes that characterize each quintile shrinks as income inequality between the top and bottom earners increases (that was part of what was happening in the 90s with the Dot Com bubble).

Income mobility doesn't really provide much useful information, unless one buys Neo-Classical Economic Theory as a good general model of human economic behavior (it's not*) and thinks that being able to move up or down in relative economic standing is a worthy goal in and of itself (as far as I can tell, that's only true if one thinks large-scale income inequality is a good thing - if we all have near-equal income, for example, mobility is effectively meaningless, as a fluctuation of a thousand dollars might move one between the top and bottom quintiles).

*The simplifying assumptions NCE makes - the concept of &lt;i&gt;ceteris paribus&lt;/i&gt;, or all things being equal - in order to be at all usable render it completely disconnected from actual human behavior and decision-making processes, as things are never, ever equal due to the influence of cultural and temporal context; NCE only works to describe sexless, genderless, raceless, nationality-less, shared-language, perfectly healthy, perfectly perfectly mobile (in terms of global mobility such that one can always move between localized markets if necessary - this is derisively and accurately known as "flat-Earth economics", since it views the planet's markets as without grades that inhibit mobility on the basis of various vectors of privilege), etc. and completely rational actors with access to complete and accurate information about every decision. The (unmarked/uninflected-by-any-aspect-of-privilege-or-marginalization) Rational Actor is an absurd fantasy, rendering pretty much all NCE, which relies on this model of human decision-making, a farce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I definitely misread your question. You&#8217;re correct that, assuming the same method for each graph, relative mobility (movement between quintiles) has increased somewhat.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a problem with using this metric as a measure of market health/fairness, however. As income distribution becomes more skewed toward the top earners, smaller fluctuations in income result in larger relative mobility. If the top quintile represents 50% of total income, one&#8217;s income has to change more in real-dollar terms in order to move two or more quintiles than if the top quintile represents 80% of total income. The range of incomes that characterize each quintile shrinks as income inequality between the top and bottom earners increases (that was part of what was happening in the 90s with the Dot Com bubble).</p>
<p>Income mobility doesn&#8217;t really provide much useful information, unless one buys Neo-Classical Economic Theory as a good general model of human economic behavior (it&#8217;s not*) and thinks that being able to move up or down in relative economic standing is a worthy goal in and of itself (as far as I can tell, that&#8217;s only true if one thinks large-scale income inequality is a good thing &#8211; if we all have near-equal income, for example, mobility is effectively meaningless, as a fluctuation of a thousand dollars might move one between the top and bottom quintiles).</p>
<p>*The simplifying assumptions NCE makes &#8211; the concept of <i>ceteris paribus</i>, or all things being equal &#8211; in order to be at all usable render it completely disconnected from actual human behavior and decision-making processes, as things are never, ever equal due to the influence of cultural and temporal context; NCE only works to describe sexless, genderless, raceless, nationality-less, shared-language, perfectly healthy, perfectly perfectly mobile (in terms of global mobility such that one can always move between localized markets if necessary &#8211; this is derisively and accurately known as &#8220;flat-Earth economics&#8221;, since it views the planet&#8217;s markets as without grades that inhibit mobility on the basis of various vectors of privilege), etc. and completely rational actors with access to complete and accurate information about every decision. The (unmarked/uninflected-by-any-aspect-of-privilege-or-marginalization) Rational Actor is an absurd fantasy, rendering pretty much all NCE, which relies on this model of human decision-making, a farce.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Here’s what’s happening now by Brianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D'oh! I'd be in withdrawl! I do not like phone blogging, either. Blech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh! I&#8217;d be in withdrawl! I do not like phone blogging, either. Blech.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Friday: Why we #Occupy by John Horstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're *sort of* reading it wrong. The third figure measures mobility over the course of a decade, and that last bump where mobility goes up represents what was happening during the 90s, with local peak mobility throughout the 90s (either 91-01 or 93-03 depending on the quintile and distance of movement). As the endpoint moves further into the 00s, the pattern is trending back down. The graph doesn't have the seven most recent years, so we don't have a clear picture of the 00s as a decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re *sort of* reading it wrong. The third figure measures mobility over the course of a decade, and that last bump where mobility goes up represents what was happening during the 90s, with local peak mobility throughout the 90s (either 91-01 or 93-03 depending on the quintile and distance of movement). As the endpoint moves further into the 00s, the pattern is trending back down. The graph doesn&#8217;t have the seven most recent years, so we don&#8217;t have a clear picture of the 00s as a decade.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The paradox of science and conservatism by smrnda</title>
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		<dc:creator>smrnda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 01:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posting on an old thread I know, but I tend to find that most conservatives I've encountered or listened to wanted to believe in simplistic answers. They want to believe that if you go to church and pray all the time, everything works out because God will bless you.  They want to believe that if you have a good attitude, everything will be fine, you'll get a job and make plenty of money. They want to believe that if you fall on hard times, the good old fashioned institutions of church and 'charities' will be there. Most of these ideas were never true, but it's easy to believe in a past golden age.

The idea that we live in a world where the simple, easy answers don't necessarily work, and where just being a good-natured Forest Gump type isn't going to guarantee you a great life doesn't sit so well with these people. 

As for science, science doesn't allow anybody to be just a friendly dolt with a good heart - you have to *think* and it seems that conservatives hate thinking, since they believe so strongly that the old answers (platitudes) are always enough. The idea that we need new answers and new information and that we don't already have the answers is deeply troubling to them, mostly because they believe all answers lie in tradition or 'common sense.' Science goes totally against that, and so they just dismiss science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posting on an old thread I know, but I tend to find that most conservatives I&#8217;ve encountered or listened to wanted to believe in simplistic answers. They want to believe that if you go to church and pray all the time, everything works out because God will bless you.  They want to believe that if you have a good attitude, everything will be fine, you&#8217;ll get a job and make plenty of money. They want to believe that if you fall on hard times, the good old fashioned institutions of church and &#8216;charities&#8217; will be there. Most of these ideas were never true, but it&#8217;s easy to believe in a past golden age.</p>
<p>The idea that we live in a world where the simple, easy answers don&#8217;t necessarily work, and where just being a good-natured Forest Gump type isn&#8217;t going to guarantee you a great life doesn&#8217;t sit so well with these people. </p>
<p>As for science, science doesn&#8217;t allow anybody to be just a friendly dolt with a good heart &#8211; you have to *think* and it seems that conservatives hate thinking, since they believe so strongly that the old answers (platitudes) are always enough. The idea that we need new answers and new information and that we don&#8217;t already have the answers is deeply troubling to them, mostly because they believe all answers lie in tradition or &#8216;common sense.&#8217; Science goes totally against that, and so they just dismiss science.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Full interview with Ashu Solo by Icaarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icaarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 17:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crommunist, my apologies for not properly editing my comments, had they been more terse I might not have started such ridiculousness. While I stand beside everything I said, in respect to you, and the rest of FtB, I could have said it better here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crommunist, my apologies for not properly editing my comments, had they been more terse I might not have started such ridiculousness. While I stand beside everything I said, in respect to you, and the rest of FtB, I could have said it better here.</p>
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