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		<title>Comment on Todd Bentley and John Crowder by Bill Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Crowder and “familiar spirits”
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Since scripture ALWAYS asserts DRUNKENNESS as UNRIGHTEOUS, then all drunken manifestations which are claimed to be from God are actually a MOCKERY of scripture, a mockery of Jesus Christ, and a mockery of the Holy Spirit.

Prov 21:17 He who LOVES PLEASURE will become poor; whoever LOVES WINE and oil will never be rich.

There is not a “Godly version” of drunkenness any more than there is a godly version of stealing, adultery or lying.

1 Thes 5:5-9 You are all SONS OF THE LIGHT and SONS OF THE DAY. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us BE ALERT AND SELF-CONTROLLED. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and THOSE WHO GET DRUNK, get drunk at night. But since WE BELONG TO THE DAY, let us BE SELF-CONTROLLED, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Since John Crowder and others manifesting in similar ways are being affected by REAL SPIRITUAL POWERS, and since their manifestations contradict REPEATING SCRIPTURAL COUNSEL against drunkenness and loss of self control, then the spiritual power MUST BE from Satan and his minions called “familiar spirits”, or demons.

These are the spirit guides of New Age religion, the occult, and Roman Catholicism (eg. Mariology).

Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have FAMILIAR SPIRITS, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

“Familiar Spirits” – see http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=familiar&amp;version1=9&amp;searchtype=all&amp;limit=none&amp;wholewordsonly=no 

John Crowder and those who follow his perverted ways have FALLEN IN LOVE WITH A COUNTERFEIT “angel of light”, “the God of this age”, and may have the same destiny:

2 Cor 4:4 The GOD OF THIS AGE has BLINDED THE MINDS of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Spiritual drunkenness BLINDS THE MINDS of BELIEVERS!

2 Cor 11:14-15 Satan himself MASQUERADES as an ANGEL OF LIGHT. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Rev 20:10 And the devil, who DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Playing around with counterfeit “angels of light” might be BLISS and ECSTASY now, but if not repented of will lead to REJECTION by the Most High God FOREVER.

The “big party” will occur in heaven AFTER WE DIE, not now (see Rev 19:9).

Scripture asserts we now have SERIOUS WORK to do while remaining firmly SOBER.

2 Tim 4:3-5 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, KEEP YOUR HEAD in all situations, endure hardship, DO THE WORK of an evangelist, discharge ALL THE DUTIES of your ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Crowder and “familiar spirits”<br />
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<p>Since scripture ALWAYS asserts DRUNKENNESS as UNRIGHTEOUS, then all drunken manifestations which are claimed to be from God are actually a MOCKERY of scripture, a mockery of Jesus Christ, and a mockery of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Prov 21:17 He who LOVES PLEASURE will become poor; whoever LOVES WINE and oil will never be rich.</p>
<p>There is not a “Godly version” of drunkenness any more than there is a godly version of stealing, adultery or lying.</p>
<p>1 Thes 5:5-9 You are all SONS OF THE LIGHT and SONS OF THE DAY. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us BE ALERT AND SELF-CONTROLLED. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and THOSE WHO GET DRUNK, get drunk at night. But since WE BELONG TO THE DAY, let us BE SELF-CONTROLLED, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Since John Crowder and others manifesting in similar ways are being affected by REAL SPIRITUAL POWERS, and since their manifestations contradict REPEATING SCRIPTURAL COUNSEL against drunkenness and loss of self control, then the spiritual power MUST BE from Satan and his minions called “familiar spirits”, or demons.</p>
<p>These are the spirit guides of New Age religion, the occult, and Roman Catholicism (eg. Mariology).</p>
<p>Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have FAMILIAR SPIRITS, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.</p>
<p>“Familiar Spirits” – see <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=familiar&amp;version1=9&amp;searchtype=all&amp;limit=none&amp;wholewordsonly=no" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=familiar&amp;version1=9&amp;searchtype=all&amp;limit=none&amp;wholewordsonly=no</a> </p>
<p>John Crowder and those who follow his perverted ways have FALLEN IN LOVE WITH A COUNTERFEIT “angel of light”, “the God of this age”, and may have the same destiny:</p>
<p>2 Cor 4:4 The GOD OF THIS AGE has BLINDED THE MINDS of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.</p>
<p>Spiritual drunkenness BLINDS THE MINDS of BELIEVERS!</p>
<p>2 Cor 11:14-15 Satan himself MASQUERADES as an ANGEL OF LIGHT. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.</p>
<p>Rev 20:10 And the devil, who DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.</p>
<p>Playing around with counterfeit “angels of light” might be BLISS and ECSTASY now, but if not repented of will lead to REJECTION by the Most High God FOREVER.</p>
<p>The “big party” will occur in heaven AFTER WE DIE, not now (see Rev 19:9).</p>
<p>Scripture asserts we now have SERIOUS WORK to do while remaining firmly SOBER.</p>
<p>2 Tim 4:3-5 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, KEEP YOUR HEAD in all situations, endure hardship, DO THE WORK of an evangelist, discharge ALL THE DUTIES of your ministry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can you tag text documents? Help! by Jason C. Romero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason C. Romero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine you've found a solution to this by now, but qualitative analysis software will allow you to do this. Such as NVivo or Atlas.ti. Unfortunately, the programs are pretty expensive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine you&#8217;ve found a solution to this by now, but qualitative analysis software will allow you to do this. Such as NVivo or Atlas.ti. Unfortunately, the programs are pretty expensive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Todd Bentley and John Crowder by taran ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>taran ash</dc:creator>
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		<description>If you get this Caroline and Inny, be great to get in contact again, Taran and Kim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you get this Caroline and Inny, be great to get in contact again, Taran and Kim</p>
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		<title>Comment on Throw me a mountain? by Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, just a small comment for Ruth.  The mustard seed passage that you are speaking about is actually not about personal faith but about the faith of the future church.  You will notice that in that particular chapter in Matthew that Jesus is speaking of weeds and such which are grown in together with the good seed.  You will then notice that Jesus speaks of the mustard seed growing into a very large tree where the birds of the air come and perch on its branches.  The birds are actually a representation of those who will defile the church (a.k.a. the weeds) that grow within the church.  Jesus is using this particular passage to show us that the church will grow very large but there will be those who will be within its community that don't actually belong.  I hope this helps.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, just a small comment for Ruth.  The mustard seed passage that you are speaking about is actually not about personal faith but about the faith of the future church.  You will notice that in that particular chapter in Matthew that Jesus is speaking of weeds and such which are grown in together with the good seed.  You will then notice that Jesus speaks of the mustard seed growing into a very large tree where the birds of the air come and perch on its branches.  The birds are actually a representation of those who will defile the church (a.k.a. the weeds) that grow within the church.  Jesus is using this particular passage to show us that the church will grow very large but there will be those who will be within its community that don&#8217;t actually belong.  I hope this helps.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do you read the bible: ‘The Hermeneutics Quiz’ by Dawn Wessel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Wessel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By using the repetitive-conjunctive method I've discovered the following, among other things:



Evolution says that life came from the 'primordial soup (mud)' and the Bible says something similar:

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." (Gen. 2:7) 
Dust (as powdered or gray; hence clay, earth, mud:-ashes, earth, ground, mortar, powder, rubbish) ‘of the ground (soil - from its gen. redness).

1. When used in association with the feminine noun אדמה adamah = ground/dirt, the masculine noun עפר ‘apar means: dry earth/dirt, dust, dry loose earth/dirt. The operative word in the definition of עפר ‘apar is “dry”. The Strong’s Heb./Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament shows the verb root for the masculine noun עפר ‘apar to be עפר meaning: to be gray or pulverized, but nowhere does the BDB, Strong’s, or Gesenius Heb./Chaldee Lexicon show the Hebrew masculine noun עפר ‘apar as being associated with “red” or as being synonymous with “mud” or “clay” of the אדמה adamah = ground/dirt. 

Mr. Darwin said that human beings came from the primates, and the Bible, again, leads in the same direction:

(Genesis) Adam/man (Hebrew-synonyms) = ‘ruddy (red)’, rosy, the flush of blood

"...man became a living soul" (Genesis 2:7b): 
soul (Hebrew &amp; Greek) = breathing creature/the animal sentiment principal only


1. ha’adam=“the human archetype” was initially created as a נפשׁ
חיה “breathing brute animal” in Genesis 2:7, with little or no difference
between it and the brute animal נפשׁ חיה “breathing brute animals”
created in Genesis 2:19.11 


- does not suggest a ‘human’ being but rather a ‘ruddy (brute animal)’ creature (as coming from the ‘red’ earth - dust/dry ground) 

"Prior to being put into the garden, ruddy did not have 'spiritual' ability, he only gained that after he entered the garden; '...and the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man (ruddy) whom he had made." (parentheses mine, Gen. 2:8 &amp; 15)

So then, Adam/man was not initially a ‘human’ being as many believe but rather a ‘ruddy creature of earth’, an animal (must have been a chimpanzee because somewhere along the line we gained 97% chimp DNA). 

It was the gaining of this other element that enabled one primate to change from animal to human, and unless he had gained it, could not have changed - thus the reason we don't see other primates in various stages of change.

Religious tendencies are observed strictly in the human species. If human beings are in part ‘soul (animal)’ then why aren’t such tendencies evident in primates? Could it be because we have something the other animals don’t have? 

soul = mortal
spirit = immortal

animal = soul
human being = soul + spirit (aura, metaphysical, God's image, sixth sense, etc.)
 
One cannot interpret the Bible in chronological order, that only causes confusion.  'The woman/wife' was only created 'after Adam entered the garden'. So then, the verses which include her (Gen. 1:26-28) occurred 'after' Gen. 2:7 &amp; 15 (man is alone) - proof positive that you cannot interpret chronologically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By using the repetitive-conjunctive method I&#8217;ve discovered the following, among other things:</p>
<p>Evolution says that life came from the &#8216;primordial soup (mud)&#8217; and the Bible says something similar:</p>
<p>&#8220;And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground.&#8221; (Gen. 2:7)<br />
Dust (as powdered or gray; hence clay, earth, mud:-ashes, earth, ground, mortar, powder, rubbish) ‘of the ground (soil - from its gen. redness).</p>
<p>1. When used in association with the feminine noun אדמה adamah = ground/dirt, the masculine noun עפר ‘apar means: dry earth/dirt, dust, dry loose earth/dirt. The operative word in the definition of עפר ‘apar is “dry”. The Strong’s Heb./Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament shows the verb root for the masculine noun עפר ‘apar to be עפר meaning: to be gray or pulverized, but nowhere does the BDB, Strong’s, or Gesenius Heb./Chaldee Lexicon show the Hebrew masculine noun עפר ‘apar as being associated with “red” or as being synonymous with “mud” or “clay” of the אדמה adamah = ground/dirt. </p>
<p>Mr. Darwin said that human beings came from the primates, and the Bible, again, leads in the same direction:</p>
<p>(Genesis) Adam/man (Hebrew-synonyms) = ‘ruddy (red)’, rosy, the flush of blood</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;man became a living soul&#8221; (Genesis 2:7b):<br />
soul (Hebrew &amp; Greek) = breathing creature/the animal sentiment principal only</p>
<p>1. ha’adam=“the human archetype” was initially created as a נפשׁ<br />
חיה “breathing brute animal” in Genesis 2:7, with little or no difference<br />
between it and the brute animal נפשׁ חיה “breathing brute animals”<br />
created in Genesis 2:19.11 </p>
<p>- does not suggest a ‘human’ being but rather a ‘ruddy (brute animal)’ creature (as coming from the ‘red’ earth - dust/dry ground) </p>
<p>&#8220;Prior to being put into the garden, ruddy did not have &#8217;spiritual&#8217; ability, he only gained that after he entered the garden; &#8216;&#8230;and the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man (ruddy) whom he had made.&#8221; (parentheses mine, Gen. 2:8 &amp; 15)</p>
<p>So then, Adam/man was not initially a ‘human’ being as many believe but rather a ‘ruddy creature of earth’, an animal (must have been a chimpanzee because somewhere along the line we gained 97% chimp DNA). </p>
<p>It was the gaining of this other element that enabled one primate to change from animal to human, and unless he had gained it, could not have changed - thus the reason we don&#8217;t see other primates in various stages of change.</p>
<p>Religious tendencies are observed strictly in the human species. If human beings are in part ‘soul (animal)’ then why aren’t such tendencies evident in primates? Could it be because we have something the other animals don’t have? </p>
<p>soul = mortal<br />
spirit = immortal</p>
<p>animal = soul<br />
human being = soul + spirit (aura, metaphysical, God&#8217;s image, sixth sense, etc.)</p>
<p>One cannot interpret the Bible in chronological order, that only causes confusion.  &#8216;The woman/wife&#8217; was only created &#8216;after Adam entered the garden&#8217;. So then, the verses which include her (Gen. 1:26-28) occurred &#8216;after&#8217; Gen. 2:7 &amp; 15 (man is alone) - proof positive that you cannot interpret chronologically.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can you tag text documents? Help! by mz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you may have moved on by now, but all these comments point towards Journler, my notetaking and organizing tool of choice (I'm also writing a PhD). have a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you may have moved on by now, but all these comments point towards Journler, my notetaking and organizing tool of choice (I&#8217;m also writing a PhD). have a look.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Kingdom of God challenge… by Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>time of abundance; complete happiness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>time of abundance; complete happiness</p>
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		<title>Comment on I’m moving on…read carefully! by Epiphany: looking back and forward at Deep Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epiphany: looking back and forward at Deep Church</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] I wrote about that move here. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Emergent US Blog by Votsfoodult</title>
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		<dc:creator>Votsfoodult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thak you for the news</description>
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		<title>Comment on Throw me a mountain? by Paul Udouj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Udouj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus was planting a subcontious message with that statement. Mountains are "problems" or "osticles". In those days it took many days to cross a mountian so they were seen as powerful. So powerful that they often set the boundries for countries...and still do to this day. So with that in mind Jesus was saying "If you have faith then you can conquer all and nothing will stop you." How cool is that! Jesus was amazing because he taugh to us on level we didn't even know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus was planting a subcontious message with that statement. Mountains are &#8220;problems&#8221; or &#8220;osticles&#8221;. In those days it took many days to cross a mountian so they were seen as powerful. So powerful that they often set the boundries for countries&#8230;and still do to this day. So with that in mind Jesus was saying &#8220;If you have faith then you can conquer all and nothing will stop you.&#8221; How cool is that! Jesus was amazing because he taugh to us on level we didn&#8217;t even know.</p>
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