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What army do you fear?

joebloggs1987 — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:44:20 GMT

What army do you fear and why?

(Multiple choices allowed)

Mars Warhound.

Denrik — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:18:17 GMT

Hey there guys,

As the end of the year is approaching, I'm going to be getting a fairly good bonus from work before holidays start. And so, I thought, seeing as I don't have many bills to take care of, I might treat myself...in the form of a Mars Warhound Titan. The exchange rates are very good at the moment, and figured why not hehe, always wanted a beast model to test myself on.
I don't really plan to use the Titan as a gaming model, more just something to showcase what I've learned over the years as a gamer. So anyway haha, being such an expensive model that it is, I wanted to make it something pretty unique (not that having a Titan isn't unique enough haha)

At this stage, I just want to gather ideas for conversions, large or small that may be floating around there, it'd be great if you guys know any links to Titans that have been converted.
I am currently building up a small Grey Knights/Deamonhunters force, again, nothing game legal. Just to have fun with, and so I thought it would be epic to theme the Titan around the Grey Knights also.
Some of the thoughts I've had, is to add extra weapons(eg- chin mounted assault cannons), armour, just things like that. I've been looking at sites like coolmini, and any other forum posts about titans, but can't seem to find too many that contain what I'm looking for.
But I would be really interested to hear what you guys think =D

Thanks a lot,
Dan.

Dark Eldar vs Orks

ZMB — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:02:46 GMT

Well, looking through some past post I see a couple threads about DE vs Orks. They are how ever from 2006 and the game has changed a little bit. I will be playing game two vs Orks soon and would like to come up with good tactica to help achieve victory. In the last game that I played it was all ground pounding Spinter cannons and shredders. A couple squads of wyches and a Ravager with three disintegrators. The army did well and killed a bunch of those green skinned dudes, but I had a hard time against the Killa Kanz and I am sure there will be more in the next game.

In trying to keep game being played in perspective I am looking at a fair amount of objectives being need to be taken. What are some sound tactics us DE players can use to control this part of the game? Instead of trying to out hoard a hoard army I am thinking that taking a good deal of raider squads and playing keep a way might has some merrit. with Raiders being open topped and having a full squad being able to fire their splinter rifles as defensive weapons I am hoping that The warriors will be able to get their shooting done and not be assaulted. The raiders with any luck will help take out big things like Killa Kanz and Ravagers can use Disi's to throw out the hurt.

Wyches can I think go on the ground as they tend to be pretty fast and from what I have seen, ten can take on thirty in CC with out too much trouble. One thing I did like was the Warp beasts. they were fast, fast, fast and cheap to boot so that I lost them, then oh well. In a perfect world i guess you would like to have the wyches on raiders as well, I just faer for them if they are to ever crash and burn.

As far the HQ? I wonder if a Dracon with all of the fixins is any better than a Haemi with a flame template of doom. The Haemy will be cheap and will more than likely earn his points back in one round of shhoting alone. Perhaps there is a role a Dracon can play, but I am not all to sure what it would be.

If any one has any experience with DE vs Orks, please let your voice be heard so that others can learn from your sage-like wisdom.

Cirus Vaga Rogue Trader (Long)

Cirus Vaga — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:41:51 GMT

Heya all
Ive been working on the fluff for my imperial guard army for sometime and its basicly finished. Thought i'd see what everyone thought.

Cheers
Cirus

Rogue Trader Cirus Vaga
Previous exploits of Cirus before he received his letter of marque in 892.M41 are unknown. His rights of trade were within the Segmentum Tempests and Segmentum Solar. His first captaincy was of the trader vessel Curious, which he used to build a name for himself and establish contacts throughout the sector. By the year 901.M41 Cirus had purchased a minor fleet of merchant vessels with which he had created a spanning trade group and set up the merchant base Worlds End just on the edge of the Veiled Region on the moon of the sterile planet Adetheas Prime.
Cirus�s first notable action in war was during the Badad War in 905.M41 when an Imperial Navy Lunar Class Cruiser The Jordan and its three escorts were set upon and boarded by traitorous vessels. Cirus was quick to act with his trader convoy, slipping onboard the cruiser and fighting to the bridge. Defeating the traitors leader in single combat, an Astral Claw Space Marine, taking control only to find every crew member had been slaughtered. Taking advantage of the confusion in the enemies ranks, Cirus vented the majority of the cruisers atmosphere, kill the remaining traitors. The Jordan had suffered serious damage, almost beyond repair. The imperial ship yards above Bakka refused to repair her and as such she was to be scuttled. Cirus took the opportunity and purchased the remains of the ship. She was hastily repaired enough to jump to the Adetheas sector where she was slowly returned to her former state. She became the Flag Ship of Cirus�s fleet.
Cirus�s fortunes continued as his merchant fleet kept thriving. In 917.M41 Adetheas prime was declared a sovereign world of the Imperium. The governmentship of the sector was given to Cirus and Worlds End became a popular stopping point in the trade route through Segmentum Tempestus. It was heavily expanded; defenses installed and became known as a Trade and Information Hub. Not only for humans but for many Xeno�s it became a safe haven.
In 921.M41 Cirus met two individuals who would be some of his closest allies. While guarding a convoy to the planet Stygies with agricultural machinery the fleet came upon a battle between Eldar pirates and a single craftworld Elder ship Sha�eil Novas (Hell Hawk). The pilot of the Craftworld vessel flew with unmatched skill completely avoiding the multiple attacks from the Pirates till The Jordan and its escorts Onikiya, Freeman and Avenged closed in and drove them off. Only two Xeno�s were on board the craftworld ship, twin Eldar brothers Cay and Ulic Qel Droma. Recently exiled from their Craftworld, they quickly decided to join Cirus�s fleet adding Ulic�s considerable piloting skills and the fire power of the Sha�eil Novas to the fleet.
During the years 941.M41 and 942.M41 Cirus�s fleet and Troops were stranded on Armageddon in Hades Hive after delivering much needed food stock from Nou Fionaus. During this campaign Cirus�s forces participated in the defense, honing their city fighting abilities, working in small units directed by Cirus to cause major strife in the orc�s camps through hit and run tactics aided by mutant Hive Jumpers (see Military diversity for more information). They were eventually overrun and were forced to regroup with the Reinforcement forces of the Space marines.

After the fleets valiant fighting on Armageddon Cirus decided to formalize a mercenary force. In 943.M41 Cirus had an official task force of loyal supporters ranging from ex-soldiers, rogue traders, decommissioned naval personnel, a vast amount of his forces were individuals unprepared to join the strict Imperial guard favoring Cirus�s high paying mercenary work where their lives were more valued. It also contained sanctioned mutant/ab-human units and wayward Xeno�s. The fleet has been involved in many pirate eradication, convoy protection duty and planetary defense or assault in conjunction with the Imperial Navy. Ground forces specialize in suburban fighting and boarding actions.
During 965.M41 on the corrupt world of the Falus VXII fate brought Cirus and the Order of the Blood Rose matriarch Emila Jordana together. During fierce city fighting where the Order had been badly pinned by a whole genestealer hybrid guard company and Artilarry battery. Cirus led a whole platoon of Hive Jumpers across the roofs of the city striking the artilliary battery by surprise from above. Without continuous bombardment the Order was able to break cover and return fire on the genestealers. Deepstriking behind the now beliged genestealers, Mersons montau drove the hybrids into the waiting bolters of the Order. Following the routing of the company, the orders leader, Emilia Jordana met with Cirus, details remain unknown of the actual conversation but it is thought that Emilia believes that Cirus's destiny is important enough to dedicate the Order of the Blood Rose to following him.

They have been involved in prolonged campaigns including the culling of heretical cults on Victus V in 953.M41 and the genestealer infestation eradication on Drunis in the Omends Sector in 961.M41. Also employed in the defense of Sdeni XI against maurading Ork Clans in 972.M41
During the Second Tyrannic War in 993.M41 Cirus�s mercenary fleet was called upon to participate in the uprising on Ichar IV. Heavily involved in the city fighting, the Hive Jumpers and The Kais Mont�ka (see Military diversity for more information) proved to be invaluable.
In the defense of Ichar IV from hive fleet Kraken in 995.M41. Situated in the front lines pitted against alien monstrosities Cirus men held firm, defending a defense laser against a horde of Tyranids. Eventually the larger creatures were destroyed except for a brood of Warriors. Cay Qel Droma shattered the Warriors� connection to the Hive Mind with a powerful psychic blast, rendering them gibbering beasts, causing the lesser Xeno's to return to their natural state and fleeing from the battle field. The Warrior brood was captured and turned into Warrior servitors by Cirus�s Chief Engineer Kell Tainer and the psychic powers of Cay Qel Droma (see Military diversity for more information).
The last known report of Cirus�s Fleet was in 006.M42 during the Medusa V Campaign where they defended a mining station from Necron attack at great loss.

Noteable Personela
Cay Qel Droma
Twin brother to Ulic, the reason for their exile from their craftworld. His extremely strong psychic powers manifested at a very young age and were not found by the craftworlds farseers till too late due to his natural skill at shielding. He nearly became possessed by a Slaanesh keeper of secrets, only managing to disspell the terrible creature with the help of a full seer council. After Cay was physically shattered, the craft worlds council deciding him too much of a threat and was exiled. During times of war, Cay summons up his massive psychic reserves and wields it to destructive effect.

Ulic Qel Droma
Meeting Cirus in 921.M41, bringing the Sha�eil Novas into the fleet and his unique skills with exotic technology. Wielding his strange spear to deadly effect he can be found leading a squad of highly trained troopers in close range fire fights or assaults.

Emila Jordana
Matriach of the Order of the Blood Rose, rumoured to be romantically involved with Cirus himself. Generally can be found leading her retinue of seraphim in the thickest of the fighting, counter attacking any enemies that get too close to Cirus' gun line.

Kell Tainer
Master mechanic and ex-tech priest, he keeps the viehicles of the army going with help from Ulic.
responsible for the creating the warrior servitor�s. He is generally found with his pets in full serovo harness either breaking enemie squads along side his terror causing constructions or his repairing his precious vehicles

Onok and Bracc
Onok and his trusty hound Bracc are from the home world of the Kroot, Pech. Leaving the tranquil jungles behind and taking with him his art of war. He left his home to find employment in the greater universe eventually meeting Cirus on Worlds end. He now leads the Carrec Anastari finding a defensive position and holding it at all costs.

M�yen Mont�yr (Unforseen veteran)
A Tau from the planet Sky�rrel Minoris, joined cirus's mercenarys in hopes of fighting orcs, expecially Warboss Grunstink, the orc leader responsible for the destuction of his home and family. He leads the Kias Mont'ka into battle, the most proficint sniper at cirus desposal.

Captain David Merson
Captain of The Jordan and Cirus second in command. Homeworld unknown but he is one of cirus closest friends. Has a fierce temper and leads Mersons mont'au into the thickest of the fighting wielding his famous hot-shot pistol gemma (named after a fiery lover) and his trusty power weapon.

Military diversity
Order of the Blood Rose
During 965.M41 on the corrupt world of the Falus VXII fate brought Cirus and the Order of the Blood Rose matriarch Emilia Jordana together. With Emilia came many highly trained and equipped Sisters of Battle, Rhino Transports and Emilia's personal retinue of sperahpim.

Hive Jumpers
One of the few sanctioned Ab-humans. Hive jumpers are humans from the giant hives on many Imperial worlds who have necessarily evolved small wings used for short flights from hive roof to roof. Recruited on Armageddon during 941.M41, they have been with Cirus�s forces since its creation. They unfold their leathery wings as they charge at their enemies, jumping and gliding unnervingly fast at their target, unleashing their plasma pistols short but powerful charge within close quarters to deadly effect. Quickly stowing or discarding their spent pistols they continue to fight with two handed chainswords.

Warrior Servitor�s
In the year 995.M41 during the defense of Ichar V against the Tyranids, Cay was able to cut the Hive Minds connection to a Brood of Warriors, turning them into mindless brutes. Many were captured and turned into powerful Combat Servitors by genius Kell Tainer. With their natural strength, bio-weapons and resilient carapace augmented by mechanical implants they are devastating close combat squad. Generally lead by Kell himself in full Servo harness and power armor, they are used either as an assault spearhead in a transport or as a charge shattering counter assault unit.

The Kais Mont�ka (Skillful Killing Blow)
During a trade mission to Sky�rrel Minoris in the Tau Empire Cirus was approached by a group of disgruntled water, earth and Air caste members led by M�yen. They had lost their faith in the greater good after being denied the chance to seek revenge in combat against the Orks who raided and destroyed their village. They wished to join his mercenary forces in the hope of fighting against them. Not being of Fire Caste breed they are not born to be fighters, thus Cirus had them trained in the way of snipers. They have become fearsome ranged warriors, using the small stature to infiltrate to the best positions and remain unseen.

Merson�s Mont�au (terror)
A mixed species unit of the strongest Tau Outcasts and Human elites, Mersons personal assault troops. They generally teleport in from orbit to hit the enemy in their weakest position after Cirus�s main force has engaged them. Well armored and armed with the powerful Hell Guns or Tau Assault rifles and specialist weapons such as Inferno rifles or Plasma Pulses they quickly eliminate hostile forces near there deployment and move to assault important artillery or defended positions.

Carrec Anastari ( Soul Ravens) A rag tag but extremely efficient team of Cirus�s most loyal and longstanding troops. Species, background or Rank plays no part in being chosen for this specialist unit. Personally selected by Cirus�s himself. Currently led by Onok, the unit includes Tau, Eldar, Human and Onok�s personal hound Bracc. Specializing in working separately from Cirus�s main force, heavily armed but minimally armored the use tactical assaults to deadly effect.

THE FLEET

Capital Ships
The Jordan
Lunar class Cruiser

The Devout
Dauntless class light Cruiser

Escorts
Onikiya
Sword class Frigate

Freeman
Sword class Frigate

Rusty
Firestorm class Frigate

Sha�eil Novas (Hell hawk)
Nightshade class Destroyer

Elan Elidi (Strong wing)
Orca class escort

Avenged
Cobra class Destroyer

Epica
Cobra class Destroyer

Temporal
Cobra class Destroyer

Hey

Tyrius — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:17:41 GMT

Hey, haven't been playing much 40k lately. Pointing up new lists and buying and selling armies is what I have been up to lately. Just catching up on some of the threads here. I recently sold my mixed daemon army but still have my converted nurgle army.(Daemons are just not "fun" enough to keep playing 2 armies of them.) I still love their potential for conversions and am often tempted to do more in the future. After my next army sells I willl be sitting at $400 to spend on warhammer again. This is after I built a biker marine list and a blood angels assault marine army.

Not sure if I was really missed here but here I am.

Ramming - Which Side?

Seraphim_Guard — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:53:08 GMT

So, something rather strange came up in a game earlier today. An ork battlewagon with a deffrolla decided to ram my demolisher, and moved normally until it came into contact with my tank. However, it hit my demolisher right on the corner between front and side armour. Talk about coincidence. I mean, we actually got out a tape measure and the tip of my demo was within 1/16" of direct-center on his deffrolla.

We ended up rolling a d6 to decide which armour value to use (side, of course... why would I get lucky?) but is there anything in the rulebook which would tell me which to use? What would you have done in our position. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter much since neither vehicle was harmed, but who knows, it might happen again.

Cannonness Equipment Debate

stayscrunchyinmilk — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:41:38 GMT

How do you guys do yours?
I like a cannonness (never the cheaper one, just for the faith points alone)
Jump Pack, Blessed Weapon, Inferno Pistol, Cloak of St Aspira (so your save, and the invun one with an act of faith is 2+) and sometimes the mantle of ophelia (if the points are spare) and frag grenades(if using a flame pistols in seraphim squads, hey if you have odd points leftover, get krak/melta too)
I like to deep strike her with seraphim, and go stomp stuff, or in planetstrike as the attacker go bunker busting / charging.

How does everyone else equip theirs? (I know mine is expensive in points.) What do you use them for?

Tau Shield Drones

Lysenis — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:16:51 GMT

Ok this may be a stupid question but I am completely new to Tau. With the Drones I have noticed that the little square blister from the battle force that I purchased do not come with the little bottom to turn them into shield drones. Am I missing something?

2000 point blitzkrieg

crazyhorse — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:15:22 GMT

CCS
Bolt pistol
Power weapon

Elite

Troops

PCS
Bolt pistol
Power weapon

Squad 1
Grenade launcher

Squad 2
Grenade launcher

Squad 3
Grenade launcher

Squad 4
GL

Squad 5
GL

Special weapons
Flamer x3

Special weapons
Flamer x3

PCS
Bolt pistol
Power weapon

Squad 1
Grenade launcher

Squad 2
Grenade launcher

Squad 3
Grenade launcher

Squad 4
GL

Squad 5
GL

Special weapons
Flamer x3

Special weapons
Flamer x3

Fast

Scout sentinel x3
Lascannon x3

Scout sentinel x3
Lascannon x3

Scout sentinel x3
Lascannon x3

Heavy

LRBT
Sponsons heavy flamer

LRBT
Sponsons heavy flamer

LRBT
Sponsons heavy flamer
Total: 1856

As you can see I have some point left to play with(144), my idea is for my armor is rush forward with the troops right behind them cleaning up and taking objectives. I feel like i need more anti-armor, but I do not know where to put it. I have yet to buy most of my guard army and my army list will help me choose what to buy. Thank you for your help

-crazyhorse

Of sniper rifles and allies ...

MaleOpener — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:35:30 GMT

Good evening to all !

After watching an interesting game, where a IG player sniped/pinned two squads of a farseer/bodyguard, I'm itching to add some snipers.

Should I bring squads of ratlings, arm BS4 models with them, or both?

I'm also looking to filling my force's second HQ choice with an inquisitor, and hoping to squeeze in a vindicator assassin. How well does a VA perform in the 5th, as I so loved them in the last edition(s)? How should I arm my inquisitor? (I currently have the DH book).

Thanks in advance :beer:

1500 CSM, please rate my army painting plan!

Lord Eltor — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:09:29 GMT

Dear Friends of Chaos,

I have got some time now and will try to paint my armies, each complete 1500 points. What do you think of this list? We are not playing tournament but fun, nevertheless competitive.

Quote:

Prince, Wings, MoN, Warptime

3 Terminators, 3 melta

10 Chaos Space Marines, IoGC, 2 Melta, Champ, Fist, Rhino
10 Chaos Space Marines, IoGC, 2 Plasma, Rhino
10 Chaos Space Marines, IoGC, 2 Flamer, Champ, Fist (Land Raider Crew)

Defiler, Havoc Launcher
Defiler, Havoc Launcher
Chaos Land Raider

Total: 1500

>2k 1750 Mech List

Diggums Hammer — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:31:56 GMT

Here are two 1750 point lists that I could take for an upcoming Tourney. I do like Evicerators on my VSS, as there is usually one or two 'Zilla players.
Tell me which one you like better and why if you don't mind.......

List #1
395pts HQ: Cannoness, Blessed Weapon, BoSL.
8 Celestine Retinue; VSS W/Evicerator, Litanies
Flamer, Heavy Flamer
Priest, Evicerator
Rhino, EA, Smoke

3 x Sisters of Battle Squads (each 234pts)
VSS w/Evicertor and BoSL
Melta, Heavy Flamer
Rhino, EA, Smoke

233 pts. Dominion Squad
VSS and 5 Sisters
4 Melta Guns
Immolator w/ Multi-Melta

Exorcists x 3, each with EA (140pts each)

7 Faith Points

List #2
145pts. Cannoness
Jump Pack, Cloak, BoSL, Blessed Weapon

4 x Sisters of Battle Squads (each 234pts)
VSS w/Evicertor and BoSL
Melta, Heavy Flamer
Rhino, EA, Smoke

259pts. Seraphim
10 'Phim, VSS w/PW, 2 w/Handflamers

Exorcists x 3, (135pts each), (one with EA, 140pts)

7 Faith Points

What do you think?

Help With New Army

Verboz — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:07:17 GMT

Ey everyone,
As I am getting sick of CSM I am now starting to collect Dark Eldar, but I don't know where to start. I am just wondering how I should start building a Dark Eldar list, to the value of 1000points.
Any advice would be much appreciated,
Verboz

Looted wagon - who fires the gunz?

Kevin_allen40 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:51:33 GMT

So my Death-skull Big-mek with his KFF gets hold of a Landraider and builds a makeshift Atlas recovery vehicle by orking it up with a pair of big shootas, a grabbin klaw & riggers.
It transports the big-mek 10 Lootas and their associated Mek.

Now by my thinking if it moves <6" everyone hanging on it and the vehicle itself get to shoot so:
Big-mek can't fire as he sacrificed his ranged weapon for KFF.
Lootas fire D3x10 shots from wagon back.
their mek fires off his mega-blasta or rokkits.
The vehicle fires its big shootas, I assume don't have to sacrifice loota shots to do this?

Now if the vehicle gets hit through the KFF and becomes immobalised I get 3 4+d6 rolls to negate this? Why would anyone bother with grot oilers when riggers are better (not single use). Or does it go something like: My riggers fail to resolve the probelm so I'll risk a mek giving it a go, he failed too so I'll use his oiler? Tripple redundancy or what?

Plasma 'city' effectiveness?

paintactics — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:41:08 GMT

I always like the idea of fielding as many plasma weapons as possible. For a start it would look awsome and the desrtuctive potential is without question, very high.
I just have a few queries. How effective are plasma cannons in 5th edition? and would a group of 4 devastator plasma cannons be as good as it sounds?
I know the risks are high and marines would be lost to over heating but i really like idea.
Thanks.