Mark Liu: Non-Technical Blog Posts

Why are you doing this?

Mark Liu — Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:16:16 -0500

One of the mentors at The Iron Yard this summer asked the question "Why are you doing this?". I love this question because without a really good reason for doing this, building a company becomes infinitely harder. Recently I had one of my most grueling days since I started Leaguevine when I spent the entire day on the phone making sales to people who mostly didn't give a crap. I don't like sales. But I could force myself to work hard and get stuff done because I have a very clear end goal.

I want to have a huge, positive impact on the world through international development and to do so requires a large amount of money. This is at the top of my mind every day and has been sitting there for about two years.

When I was devoting a vast majority of my energy to Engineers Without Borders from mid 2008 through 2010, my view on the world changed completely. Before EWB, I would have been content with a comfortable life where I was able to travel a lot and have some fun. I could work for a great employer, produce at a high level, get paid a lot, and do the things I wanted on nights and weekends.

EWB killed this former dream life for me. I am certain that I would no longer be content with such a life.

After my first trip to Orongo, Kenya and seeing all of the challenges people have to go through every single day, I returned home grateful for running water. For a full year after that first trip I would think about how lucky I am to have running water every time I turned on a faucet.

On my second trip I was given a grand tour of Kibera by one of its residents. Kibera is one of the largest slums in the world and I was walking through it shortly after it had rained. Walking through this town was excruciatingly difficult because all roads and pathways were dirt and because many of these pathways were steep and it had rained, it was really tough walking around. I remember Cartoon (my friend in Kibera) reaching down and extending me a hand to help me climb various pathways. Not surprisingly, I thought about Kibera at least once a day for the entire calendar year of 2009.

By the fourth time I traveled to Orongo, Kenya I realized how much I loved doing this International Development work. Every day I was using my knowledge, connections, and hustle to make the most change I could in this charming little community. Despite loving this work, I realized how many parts of this system were broken. I don't mean to say EWB or other NGOs are bad, but the entire state of International Development could use a heap of improvement. Because of this, I would not be content being a cog in this big International Development machine where I would likely have very little meaningful impact over a lifetime of hard work.

At this point, because I was no longer content with a simple software developer's life and I would not be content working for an NGO in this International Development space, the path to reaching my dreams started to become somewhat clear. I would have to do something that gave me a chance to make a huge amount of money which I could then use to instill my own vision into the International Development scene.

I like to think of this as the Bill Gates model of doing good in the world. Step 1 is to make a lot of money, and step 2 is to use the money to do something incredible. Gates is doing far more than just donating his money to charity. He is aggressively attacking the world's problems with the same gusto that he used to build Microsoft by defining his own well-rounded initiatives and finding the right partners to carry out his vision. He's crushing it. He is not conforming to standard NGO models, and is willing to disrupt this space and do whatever it takes to improve the world. And for that he's my idol.

While it's unrealistic to expect to make an amount of money and impact on the same order of magnitude that Gates did, this general model for living my life is well within the realm of possibility. This is what gets me fired up every morning. And more importantly, it's what keeps me going at full speed when things look bleak.

Fixing tech startup incorporation documents

Mark Liu — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:49:07 -0500

A year ago I incorporated Leaguevine myself without using any lawyers. I wrote about it here and heavily relied upon the Orrick company document templates. I realized back then that there was a good chance I would screw some stuff up and decided it would be better for Leaguevine to first get some funding or free access to lawyers and at that point revise anything I messed up.

Turns out this approach worked great.

I am currently attending The Iron Yard accelerator program in Greenville, SC and this program gave us not only funding and connections, but also free legal services from a quality law firm called Wyche. Our lawyer there took care of all the amendments where necessary for free and now we have a great set of documents. He told us that the templates that we used were excellent and far better than a lot of the templates he sees self-incorporators use. So I'm glad we used the Orrick templates and saved him a lot of work.

I'm really happy I decided not to pay for legal services at the very start of this company.

Almost 4 months in

Mark Liu — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:40:18 -0600

I've been working full time on Leaguevine for almost 4 months now, and things are finally beginning to click for me. It's a completely different lifestyle, and I'm finally accepting the fact that it takes a while to adapt to it. Things like self-motivation, prioritization, setting deadlines, and staying organized are all things that I never had to deal with before since school basically took care of all that for me. These tasks are becoming easier every day, and I wouldn't trade this experience for anything at this point!

A couple nights ago I realized just how much I love what I'm doing. I was hanging out with friends who were back in town for Thanksgiving until 2:30am, and despite having a blast catching up with those guys, all I could think about on my drive home was how pumped I was to finish implementing our oauth2 server for our API. Indeed, I went right to work when I got home (don't worry - I hadn't been drinking with my friends) and worked until I was just too exhausted. I went to bed really happy.

We have yet to release our core product to the world, and won't do so for another few months, but I imagine once all our cool stuff goes live and we have more users, this experience will only get better.

Self-Incorporating a Tech Startup

Mark Liu — Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:53:51 -0500

This is in response to my friend Ben's recent post, What about money for a lawyer?

I spent a bit of time last month self-incorporating my tech startup and since this topic is very fresh on my mind, I thought I'd reflect on it for a moment.

The first thing I'd like to reflect on is the actual decision about whether or not to do this myself or hire a lawyer. The decision here comes down to deciding whether or not the additional $1,200-$1,500 in fees is worth the peace of mind that your company is starting off on the right foot in the legal department. Since I am confident that I know what I'm doing and have free resources to monitor I'm not doing anything dumb, the decision to by-pass hiring an attorney was an easy one. And I believe any competent entrepreneur can do the same, if they are willing to give up some time and energy to educate themselves. The trick is to get to the point where you can be confident that you are doing it right without missing any steps. So that's what I'll focus on here.

To figure out what all goes into forming your company, there are more than enough free, reliable, online resources to help educate you. Just use google to find legal articles on this stuff, and then study wikipedia to make sure you understand all of the legal terminology. A few good blogs for learning about this stuff are Startuplawyer, TechnologyStartupLaw, Startup Company Lawyer, Brad Feld's Blog, and of course the MBA Monday's series on AVC. From reading these sites as well as learning from Quora and Stack Exchange's Onstartups, it was clear to me exactly what details I wanted to bake into incorporating my company. I won't talk about legal specifics here, and I'll just talk about how I learned enough to incorporate everything myself.

So knowing all of the details about type of entity, state of incorporation, par value, vesting agreements, IP rights, etc, is a good start, but the more intimidating part is actually going about drafting and filing the appropriate legal documents to put everything in place. The best way to do this, if possible, is to use free resources to legal assistance. You'd be shocked at how many people out there really want to help you. Two good options for this are:

Free legal clinics. Tons of Universities with Law Schools have these now, and they are aimed at giving law students real world practice with startup law while being supervised by professionals. In Chicago, the top three are the program at Northwestern University, the Institute for Justice Clinic, and the Loyola Law Clinic. A lot of these will have long wait times, so if it's not urgent these could be a great free source of help.
Small Business Development Centers (SBDCs). These will often give you general business advice for free, and have connections to pro-bono legal help or Certified Public Accountants (CPAs) who are plenty knowledgeable about simple legal issues. I went into the SBDC at UIC and was happy to get a lot of help from them. In fact, I still email the CPA now and then if I have a quick question and he always sends me back a clear response in an hour or two.

Once these two options for getting help with filing your documents have been explored, it is worth also checking with lawyers to make sure you are doing this right. Lawyers will all give you a free consultation half an hour or so to learn more about you and attempt to woo you into signing with their practice. I talked on the phone with about 8 lawyers for 30 minutes each, about setting up my corporate entity and drafting other legal documents. At first, I was embarrassed to say I was thinking about incorporating on my own without their help because I thought they would call me naive or say I shouldn't do it. But after the 2nd interview, I realized that these lawyers were actually enthusiastic about the idea of me saving money for my company upfront and they were more than helpful to me in hopes that I would sign on with them when I had "real" legal needs that needed to be addressed such as raising a round of capital. These lawyers would all give me lists of legal documents I needed to file, tips on how to file them and what I should incorporate on them, and told me about any pitfalls or things to watch out for (such as making sure I file my 83(b) within 30 days of incorporation). They assured me that internal documents such as company by-laws can be amended later when you need to, so getting it perfect the first time will not make or break your company. Further, one lawyer even offered to inspect my documents for free after I drafted them to ensure I was doing things right.

So I guess what I learned is that incorporating a business is not hard, and you can learn everything you need by just using Google, calling people, and asking the right questions. Since in my situation I have a lot of time but not a lot of money, this made sense. While all of this information was a bit overwhelming at first, I now feel infinitely more confident with my business since I know the ins and outs of my company's legal structure.

One month down

Mark Liu — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:50:09 -0500

It's been one month since I started working on Leaguevine full time, and it's been a very interesting experience. After being in school for 20 straight years, being on my own has been quite a shock. I now set my own schedule and am accountable only to myself. As grand as all the blogs out there make that seem, it's kind of weird actually being in the middle of it.

While I was in school, I would always have my side projects and activities that I actually cared about far more than school. While I spent most of my time on these outside activities, school has always had a constant presence. It has been an anchor and something that brings consistency to all the years of my life, even if my outside activities change. I'd become conditioned to working quickly and efficiently on my schoolwork so I could make time for my passion projects. For the last several months, I kept saying to myself how much I'd love to work solely on Leaguevine instead of having to also do relatively meaningless class work and research. But then August 1st rolled around and I didn't get into the sprint I was hoping for.

I found that during my first few weeks I often became overwhelmed into complacency. Instead of instantly working 80 hour weeks like I had planned, I was putting in 50-60 tops and couldn't really bring myself to do anymore even though I had nothing else to work on. I would take long breaks to watch youtube or play Starcraft II. And it felt like a huge waste of my time. Mostly, I felt bad that I wasn't giving the business my undivided attention.

I was being overwhelmed by a number of different things. First, there were no "real" deadlines in sight anywhere. Every deadline was just lying on a piece of paper or my google calendar and I kew I wouldn't be punished if I missed it by a few hours, days, or even weeks. Next, I had just come back from a fantastic trip to China, and had been living in "consumer" mode. I had to go back to the mindset of "what can I build today" rather than "what can I buy today". I think the thing that had the biggest stress on me was incorporating my business. I talked to about 8 lawyers, a number of non-profit clinics, a CPA, my dad, and an SBDC about getting the company set up right, and all this talking on top of reading blogs about tech startups made me feel like I wasn't getting anywhere. I was spending so much time working on the business plan and worrying about legal stuff, that I was barely writing any code. And this lack of progress on the web app just made me feel like I was falling farther behind and wasting my time.

I'm not sure exactly what happened, but sometime in the last week or so a light went on and I've been fully focused on Leaguevine. I think it's because I finally got back to coding. I've become okay with the notion that this is going to be a long process that will take time, and I'm finally focusing on what I can accomplish each day and just doing that. I've been working 12+ hours a day every day this past week and I'm loving a vast majority of it. Yes, there are times when I have to do some tedious stuff, but the percentage of time in a day where I am truly enjoying what I do is higher than it was while I was in school.

I'm not sure exactly how much this has contributed to this productivity improvement, but since I had been the most lazy in the mornings, I came up with a little trick to make myself more productive right after waking up. Before going to sleep, I'd open up one of the source code files and begin adding a single line of code to it. I don't finish the line, and it doesn't even have to do anything useful, but I then turn off my monitor without even saving the file. As is typical with VI guys, I can't stand files being opened and unsaved, so the first thing I do in the morning is delete that line of code or finish it. Just this one little 3 second action gets me in the mood to develop something cool, and immediately I'm working at full speed the moment I sit down at my computer. This tip goes back to the philosophy of beating procrastination by just starting to do something.

So as this first month comes to a close, I'm working at a productivity level higher than ever before and I'm excited to see how much I can build in September!

Sanya Beaches and Relaxation

Mark Liu — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:31:03 -0500

After Yangshuo, we took a bus to Guilin where we again stayed at Liu Tao’s youth hostel for a night in preparation for our flight to Sanya. This time we paid for our room at the hostel because we would feel bad abusing his generosity towards Couchsurfers. We walked around the town that night, and enjoyed a beautiful atmosphere. Our guide book said Guilin would be overly crowded with tourists, but the city is big enough to hold a lot of people while giving everyone enough space to really enjoy it’s beauty. There were tons of mood lights all along the slow moving river and there were great paths to walk along it. We sat and watched an amazing violin player for a little while, which is probably why I remember the mood of the town being so serene and peaceful.

The next day we flew down to Haikou, a city in Hainan. Hainan is an Island in the south of China that many equate to being “China’s Hawaii”. We flew into Haikou on the north shore of the Island because it was cheaper, but our destination was Sanya so we took a bullet train (cost about $10 each) that got us there in about 2 hours while going 250 km/hr! So cool.

Once in Sanya, we took a couple of busses to try to get to our tiny little beach house where we booked an inexpensive room right on a beach. However, even though we got off at the right place, we couldn’t find the beach house by ourselves and no one there had ever heard of it. We asked the concierge at a resort where it was, and he helped us by talking to the owner of this beach house and she had us wait at the resort while she walked over to meet us. She walked us back to our rooms, and we were very pleased that we decided to stay there for two nights.

I posted a photo from our awesome room in a previous post andmentioned that unfortunately, the beach we were on was not a swimming beach. On the second day of our stay which happened to be my birthday, we went to visit a couple of swimming beaches. The first, Yulong Bay, had gorgeous views and incredibly fine sand. It was exactly what Americans typically picture when they think of a beach in paradise. We splashed around in the big waves and threw a disc around for a while and there were very few people in the ocean. Unfortunately, the only reason this one was so clean and impeccably nice was that the entire coast line of the bay was owned by “6 and 7 star resorts”. We walked through a couple of resorts and one of them had something like 4 outdoor pools with water slides and the works. While these resorts are great for people who want to spend tons of money, they suck for people who are living in budget rooms like Rachael and I because they don’t let you hang out on their stretch of beach. Rachael and I sat down on the chairs of one of the resorts and read our books for a couple hours, not exactly sure what the policy of the resort was. After a while, someone from the resort came and asked us for our room key and then kicked us out. It’s too bad this beautiful beach is only really friendly towards the people who spend tons of money.

Later that same day, we visited a less pretentious and highly recommended beach called Dadonghai. This one was totally free to the public, and the scenery and sand was just as nice as Yalong bay. However, it had none of the peacefulness that Yalong Bay had because it was jam packed with Chinese tourists. That being said, it was really fun playing in the giant waves with the masses of people who were all in great spirits and laughing all the time. At all times, there was another person within 3 meters of us, but I enjoyed the atmosphere here more than the stuffy one of Yalong Bay.

After our two nights at the Papiluo Bluehouse, we decided to pack up and change our location to a youth hostel where the owner speaks English. As nice as our room was, we felt like we were a bit stuck and had no clue how to do anything except visit beaches. We checked into the Raintree Youth Hostel for a four night stay and this turned out to be a great decision.

Soon after checking in, Rachael got sick and then remained very sick through the following day. The hostel was in an area where we could go downstairs and easily find food, and there was enough to do in the hostel that we could take a full day off and not be too bored. One of the staff helped us move a DVD player into our nice AC room where we proceeded to watch a couple movies and read for most of the day.

Rachael felt better after the full day of rest and we went with Justin, the owner of the hostel, and a group of about 8 out to a remote bay for a day of water activities. The bay we went to had gorgeous, clean beaches and our group and one other were the only ones swimming in the entire bay. We swam, rode on a banana boat, tried standing on body boards being pulled by a speed boat, tried wake boarding, and snorkeled for a long time. Unlike my only other snorkeling experience, this one was actually good! I had very few problems with my facemask and I was able to see a ton of cool stuff under the water. This bay was quite undeveloped so we were able to see coral, sponges, anemones, crabs, hermit crabs, fish, urchins, sea cucumbers, and even several small jellyfish.

On our final full day in Sanya, we went to see the rainforest. It sounded very cool, but turned out to be a frustrating and disappointing experience. The place we went was excessively developed and felt like Disney world. There was no resemblance whatsoever to any U.S. state or national park. The only paths in the rainforest were perfectly well kept walkways. All of these walkways were completely packed with Chinese tourists and all of the sounds of nature were drowned out by the tour guide speakerphones coming from every direction. The largest animal we saw were some small bats hanging on a rock overhang under a nice wooden bridge. Rachael, myself, and one of our friends from the hostel ventured off the trail a couple times which was fun for a few minutes until we ran into another walkway or were scolded by tour guides to stay on the walkways.

Despite the one disappointing day in the “rainforest”, our trip to Sanya was great and I’m glad we planned that into our vacation. We got to see a bunch of beaches, had fun playing in the water, and were able to relax a bunch more before what we knew would be a fast paced week with my family in Beijing and Shanghai.

Looking back on our time in Yangshuo

Mark Liu — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:19:47 -0500

This final set of blog posts is coming extremely late, but I figure better late than never!

We spent most of our second week (6 nights) in Yangshuo and this may have been our favorite location on our trip. Yangshuo has been different from every other city/town we’ve visited in that it is small, not too busy, and a surprising number of people speak English. There are only about 200,000 residents in the town and thus you can get absolutely anywhere you want on foot. After so many taxi rides during the first week, this was a great relief.

Another huge plus of Yangshuo is that the tourism catered to Western tourists instead of Chinese tourists. The domestic tourism industry is ridiculously huge, and a big part of what they do is to make absolutely everything accessible to anyone. This means trams, cable cars, stone pathways, covered boats, AC busses, and refreshment stands everywhere you can look. The idea behind making the best sites accessible enough so people of any age can enjoy them is cool, but the downside is there are often unimaginable hoards of people crowding around these sites. What makes Chinese tourism less attractive to me (and probably other Western tourists) is that there is exactly one way to see each of the tourist sites and the tourism companies dictate what way that is. Exploring on your own, or getting off the beaten path is very difficult and sometimes impossible at tourists sites aimed at domestic tourism.

Yangshuo was geared almost solely towards Western tourists. You could easily arrange your own outdoor activities such as bike riding, tubing, rafting, hiking, or exploring without having your trip being forced into doing exactly what a tourism company tells you to do.

When we got to Yangshuo, it was late at night and we stopped by the English school we planned to volunteer at since we were told we would have a room there. Sadly, they did not have a room prepared for us so they directed us to an area with a number of youth hostels. On our walk there, an awesome Canadian couple started talking with us and then walked us all the way there even though they were staying somewhere else.

We spent our first night at a wonderful hostel called the Showbiz Inn. It had a clean, comfortable room with AC, TV, Wi-Fi and a really nice rooftop bar with an English speaking staff. It cost less than $20/night for the room and we were all ready to book that room for the remainder of our stay, but we found out the next morning that they had already booked our room for the next night and there were none left, so we moved over to a place 30 meters away called Monkey Jane’s and booked our stay for 5 nights there (just $10/night for the same amenities but dirtier).

Monkey Jane’s was a really unique place with the most lively and fun rooftop bar I’ve ever seen. They had a beer pong table that was always in use, extremely cheap beer, tons of couches, and a gorgeous view of the surrounding Karst pinnacles. It was always full of European tourists, and it felt weird being English speakers for the first time on our trip.

On our first night in Yangshuo, we spent some of the evening in the Monkey Jane rooftop bar playing beer pong and some friends we made that night suggested we go tubing down the river with them the following day. So on our second day, we spent a good 3-4 hours sitting in giant inner tubes floating down the beautiful river. It was a ton of fun, and there were no rapids or anything dangerous. It was just a good relaxing time. A bunch of Chinese tourists on motorized bamboo rafts were passing us, waving, and taking photographs of us which was very entertaining. On the downside, our phone got wet and mostly ruined, and everyone on the rafting trip got terribly sunburned. My skin is still peeling from that trip which was about 4 weeks ago.

That night, we participated in something called the English Corner at an English language school in Yangshuo. This turned out to be incredibly fun and was a great learning experience for both me and Rachael. All we were asked to do was sit in a small classroom of 8-10 students and talk with them for 2 hours in English. Of the 6 days we spent in Yangshuo, only two of those days had English corner scheduled, and we happily attended both of them. Most of our discussions were us learning about the Chinese culture and talking about life in America. We hung out with one of the students named Gunnar and some of his friends after class and we had a great conversation. Turns out he is a computer science guy like me, we’re the same age, and we have the same last name. Unfortunately, we only met him on our last day, because he offered to teach us Chinese which we would have gladly accepted.

The highlight of the second full day was the bike trip I talked about in a previous blog post. The day after, we went exploring on foot because Rachael’s butt hurt from a terrible bike seat and a super long bike ride the day before. We decided we’d hike up to the top of a Karst pinnacle. We didn’t want to do a tour or anything, so we picked a fairly nearby pinnacle that was higher than the rest of them and had a TV tower sitting at the top. It’s safe to assume there is some pathway up to a peak where there is a TV tower. Thus, we started walking toward it and found our path blocked by solid rows of apartments. We kept taking small alleys between these apartments, and backtracked to find new alleys whenever our path ran into a dead end. Some residents also helped point us in the right direction because it was pretty clear where we were trying to go. After a lot of meandering, we found the entry to a very nice stone paved trail that let all the way to the top. The entire trek both up and down we didn’t see a single person, which was incredible. It was even more solitude than a hike in a national/state park in the U.S. The view from the top was a lot of fun, and the day was almost identical to a really fun day in 2008 when Tom and I managed to find our way to the peak of the “mountain” on the Island of Hydra in Greece.

The rest of our stay in Yangshuo was spent relaxing and rejuvenating after an overly hectic and rushed first 10 days or so of our vacation. We bought a couple books at a bookstore, watched a movie, hung out with our Canadian friends Jonathan and Kristen, participated in English corner again, strolled around town, bought some cheap stuff, planned the rest of our trip, drank some beers at night, and ate a lot of fruit. Oh and we went to a cave where we took a mud bath that I talked about in a different blog post!

Being able to relax for a few days was an amazing luxury, and we didn’t feel bad doing it because our vacation was so long. If our vacation were only for a week, we would feel guilty spending any of our time doing things that we could also do in the U.S., but since this was a full 5 week trip, we could really slow down and enjoy ourselves now and then.

First week of China - Beijing, Luoyang, Hua Shan, Xi'an, And Guilin

Mark Liu — Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:36:04 -0500

Blogging has been a bit sporadic over our first three weeks of this trip so I'm going to go back through the fun events of our first week here. I'll get to the stuff from the past 2 weeks soon!

We didn't spend much time in Beijing since we will be doing a lot more of that when my family arrives. Our first impression was really nice, though. We stayed in a gorgeous Marriott room thanks to my dad's connections. That first night, my dad's friend Ying and her daughter Yuan treated us to an excellent meal of peking duck and showed us around a pretty park. In the morning, Rachael and I took a nice walk around, ate some cheap food, and then met up with Ying and Yuan again for a delicious lunch. After that we were off to Luoyang to meet oir friend Kevin.

I believe I already touched on our experience in Luoyan in a previous post so I'll skip it here. The highlights of the two days there were seeing the Longmen grottoes, hanging out with some kids who wanted to practice thir English, meeting an awesome girl named Cassie who helped show us around town, and then having a loud and fun dinner with a guy we met on couhsurfing. From Luoyang we traveled to Hua Shan which is a town based almost solely around tourism for hiking a famous mountain. I wrote a blog post from an Internet cafe there and remember being tired an in a bad mood. The town wasn't a very friendly place since everyone was pushy and trying to get us tourists to buy stuff from them. But the mountain hike was fun.

We started the hike at 6 in the morning, right after the sun came up. From the base to the top was more than 5000 vertical feet so we had to start early. The most common route was to take a cable car up the first 3000 feet and then hike the final stretch but there is also a trail to walk up this stretch and we opted to do that. It wasn't anything like a hike in a US national park. The entire trail on the mountain was paved with stones and phenomenally maintained. In my opinion, it seemed too easy and didn't feel like nature. However, I understand that their goal was to make it super accessible to everyone and indeed plenty of dressed up girls with high heels or flip flops were able to complete the hike. Rachael and I were super over dressed with our hiking boots :P.

Despite the hoards of people, the hike was still fun and was really good exercise. It felt great to get outside for so long. The first part of the hike where we skipped the cable car had very few other hikers which was nice. Although every 50-100 meters all the way up there was a shop selling refreshments. The view was obscured by a dense fog so we didn't get any photos of what would probably have been an incredible mountainous landscape.

After this hike, we took a bus over to Xi'an. Upon arriving it was pouring rain and we had to meet our couchsurfing friend Meng whose place we would stay at. We had a tough time finding each other at the train station but eventually she popped up with a huge smile on her face and led us to a local bus that cost us next to nothing. We took that for 45 minutes, an when w got off she bought some vegetables for dinner. We then took a taxi another 20 minutes to her home on the countryside. We trekked through some slick mud and finally made it into her home. Quite an adventure!

Meng's home was so serene and nice. It had an open courtyard with no roof over it and under an awning her mom prepared us dinner with the vegetables Meng bought. Meng made up our beds and then served us a fantastic dinner with several tasty dishes. Despite how amazing this stay was, it was about 60 minutes from downtown Xi'an and Rachael and Kevin really wanted to spend the next night somewhere closer. I was a bit disappointed, but it worked out ok and Meng found us a room at a cheap but nice Inn that was close to a bunch of stuff.

The next day, we checked into that inn and then went and saw the Terracotta Warriors which is one of China's most popular attractions. It was actually quite impressive and I think it lived up to the hype. After we got back, we went and explored Xi'an's snack street where there was an endless row of restaurants and snack shops. This street was just amazing! It's some of the best night life I've seen of all the places I've been in the world and the food was even better than the atmosphere. It was full of both locals and tourists but mostly just locals. It was loud but not excessively crowded and plenty of groups of happy youngsters had their tables covered with empty beer bottles as they played their Asian drinking games. Because of this street, I wish we had spent more time in Xi'an. Unfortunately, we already had our tickets booked for the following night down to Guilin.

On the following day, we spent a couple hours biking on the old wall around Xi'an. Our guide book had this as one of the best things to do in China and I can see why. The 9km wall surrounded the entire old part of Xi'an and was maintained extremely well. Because there was an entrance fee to go up and bike on it, it was totally empty. We could see the sights of the old town while also seeing the endless line of huge buildings just on the outside of the wall. I couldn't believe how huge this city was and it was truly a sight to see. It felt so much bigger than Chicago.

That night we flew to Guilin. We were just using Guilin as a convenient entry point to get to Yangshuo so our stay there was for less than 24 hours. We met up with a couchsurfer who runs a youth hostel and he gave us a room for no charge. He also spent a good 30-45 minutes talking to us and telling us what there was to do in the area. Liu Tao, this couchsurfer, is an avid rock climber, cyclist and outdoorsman so it was great to hear his advice. After these conversations and a breakfast at a local noodle place that cost $0.60 each, we headed to Yangshuo. We spent a bunch of time in Yangshuo and I only talked about a little of it so I'll write another post about it soon!

First day in Hainan

Mark Liu — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:53:50 -0500

Today's my birthday and to celebrate, Rachael and I are going to go to a white sand beach and do nothing all day! We're staying at a cheap little place that is off the beaten path that sits right on the beach. I'm posting a photo from bed since I still am laying in it. Although the view is nice, it has AC and WiFi, the beach is not a goof beach for swimming so we'll probably change locations tomorrow. It's the offseason here and one super lavish 5 star place we looked at had it's two cheapest rooms (usually $300 & $450/night) heavily discounted (down to $90 & $115/night). I hope we find some good deals along a better swimming beach!

Mud cave!

Mark Liu — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 02:16:22 -0500

Sorry I still haven't given any updates on last week's adventures and I probably won't for another few days at least, but I wanted to post this photo after a fun afternoon. We took a tour to a mud cave right outside Yangshuo today and it was exactly how it sounded. It was a huge cave that we took a boat into to start. After that, we walked much farther into the cave and wore some cheap helmets because the ceilings were low and we were all constantly bumping our heads. After a while, we arrived at a designated area where we could jump into the super muddy water and splash around for a while!

It was kind of gross and cold at first, but it turned out to be a lot of fun. I really liked floating on the surface because the mud made us so buoyant. Our guide took a photo which we bought and I am attaching a copy of it I took with my iPhone. Fun!

After the mud bath, we bathed in some natural hot springs in the cave which was awesome. The whole adventure was pretty short and lasted less than 3 hours, but was certainly worth the tiny entry fee.

We then came back and had lunch at our favorite restaurant in town for under $2 each. Now we have to figure out a way to get our clothes cleaned up before leaving for Guilin tomorrow! From Guilin, we're catching a flight to Hainan, China's southern island with tons of beaches where we'll spend almost a full week. We're really excited and booked a fairly inexpensive room ($35/night) supposedly on a quiet beach with big windows looking out at the water. Laying around on the fine sand there sounds like a great way to spend my birthday! Rachael and I will probably write more updates after we get settled in and have soaked up the sun for a while. Zaijian!

The Yangshuo Countryside

Mark Liu — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:39:12 -0500

It's been many days since I last posted, and have since trekked 6000 feet up Hua Shan mountain, stopped in Xi'an to see the terra-cotta warriors, flew to Guilin where we relaxed a bit, and have spent the last 2.5 days here in Yangshuo. I'll talk about those other places soon, but just wanted to give a brief update on today's awesome journey! I apologize for being brief, but I am typing this from my iPhone (this cheap hostel has wi-fi!).

Today was the first day Rachael and I were able to escape the tourists. We woke up and had a leisurely morning where we dropped off our laundry that really needed to be done and then grabbed breakfast/lunch at a surprisingly not-so-touristy restaurant which is a rarity in this town. We then rented nice mountain bikes for $5 each and started on a long and gorgeous journey.

We biked out of town on the main roads which took us a good 45 minutes. Thankfully, the shoulders here are all very wide and the drivers are incredibly respectful to bicyclists. Drivers often honk their horns just to let you know they're coming and tend to drive as far away from the shoulder as possible, even when there is oncoming traffic.

Once we made it out of town, we veered off onto a smaller one lane road that hugged the less traveled Yulong river. There were still a bunch of tour busses taking travelers to their resorts along the river, so the first 30 minutes weren't that much fun. However, the traffic died down and the scenery became incredible. We were surrounded by mountains on both sides, biking along a slow moving winding river that was surrounded by rice paddies. I really enjoy countrysides and seeing these farming communities, so this was incredible.

We often veered away from the main road to get some more peace and quiet and see the countryside better. The people in the villages were really friendly, and we often had brief exchanges where we'd try to speak Mandarin and they'd try to speak English. At best, we learned each others names and figured how far away we were from things. One of my favorite parts was when Rachael thought we should turn one way when actually it led to a dead end at the river. When we began going that way I could see a Chinese man looking at us with an expression of 'why are those white people going that way?'. After a few minutes we reached a very remote stretch of river where a woman was preparing some vegetables. No one else was within shouting distance. The river was really pretty, so we hung out in the shade for a few minutes and laughed with the other woman who was really happy and trying to tell us stuff we couldn't really understand.

After continuing up the river a long ways, we reached a place where there was a bridge with people jumping off it into the water. A bunch of tourists also made it out here because there was a direct road from town, and everyone was swimming. Rachael and I grabbed some ice cream and put our feet in while watching tons of Chinese men in tighty whiteys jump off the bridge. We then crossed the bridge and followed a much more remote path along the river and through a series of small farming communities. There were no other tourists here, which helped add to it's beauty. It was a tougher bike ride since we were often riding on one food wide dirt paths that were wining between rice paddies, and we had to walk our bikes for a few minutes because I wad afraid of falling off the elevated path and into one of the paddies. When a local 12 year old boy on a giant bike came by riding through this like a pro, we of course hopped back on ours and became a bit braver. We ran into 2 local women going the same way as us and they helped lead us to the dragon bridge (our final destination) and kept us from getting lost. We actually passed the bridge and one of them came flying down the path after us yelling to us that we passed it! The stretch of the bike ride on this side of the river took about an hour, but would have taken much longer if she hadn't helped us!

After this really long ride, we decided to take a direct route back to town. We rode on the shoulder of a highway (again with huge shoulders and courteous drivers) and returned our bikes an hour later.

Today was incredibly fun and refreshing because we were able to escape the hoards of tourists as well as the ever-present crowds and traffic of Chinese cities. The Yangshuo countryside is incredibly beautiful and the karst mountain landscape is just as nice as it looks in the photos.

We're in China!

Mark Liu — Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:12:11 -0500

Rachael and I arrived in China about 3 days ago and the time has flown so far. We've both been really jet lagged, and have probably been trying to pack too many things into too little time to start this trip. However, we've already done some very fun things and have a lot more to look forward to!

We started in Beijing for just a day where my dad's friend Ying and her daughter Yuan met us and treated us to a fantastic feast. We had Peking duck that first night, they gave us a driving tour of Beijing, and we walked through a park until Rachael and I were falling asleep. We stayed in a super nice hotel, and then walked around that area the next morning where Rachael and I tried mystery food from a bunch of different street vendors. All of it was delicious, by the way. Ying and Yuan took us out to lunch where we had a fancy meal of authentic Beijing food. The restaurant we went to was famous for its cow stomache, but Rachael was definitely not a fan. Ying and Yuan were extremely gracious hosts, and helped us out with tons of stuff including buying us a sim card and our train tickets to Luoyang.

On Thursday we spent 8 hours in the train to Luoyang and enjoyed a nice nap in our sleeper car, further prolonging our jetlag. We then stayed at a hostel that a couchsurfer recommended. That night we went out and ate a bunch more food from street vendors in a lively area that stayed up well into the night. It was really fun to be in Luoyang because it is clearly a city without much tourism.

Yesterday we met up with Kevin and went to a place just outside Luoyang called the Longmen grottoes where there a bunch of giant Buddhist statues carved into the rocks. What was really fun about this adventure was that a couple of 10 year old kids came up to us to practice their English. Soon after, a Chinese college student named Cassie also started talking to us, and from that point these three were our English speaking tour guides for the grottoes. Cassie then took us around to neighboring places where we saw a really old temple, ate a nice lunch, and then walked around a park in Luoyang. She then had to go home, but not before recommending Luoyang's most popular restaurant to us for dinner. After she took us there, we met up with our couch surfing friend who goes by the name Lovelush and he was a blast. He read us the entire menu like a story book, explaining every dish and even describing how some of them are cooked. He was extremely enthusiastic about everything and was a ton of fun to be around. After our 3 hours at the restaurant, he took us to a massage parlor that he said he visits every day. We got some inexpensive massages and then called it a day. Lovelush was the first couchsurfer that we met, and so far we're really glad we joined that community!

Today we took a train from Luoyang to Hua Shan because we are going to hike up a mountain here. We arrived at about 2pm, but Kevin was pretty exhausted from trying to bargain prices and make sure we did not get ripped off. One taxi driver was clearly breaking our agreement with him to try and squeeze 10 extra yuan out of us and by refusing to pay him that, we wasted at least an hour and added a lot of stress to our journey. Personally, I would rather get ripped off $0.50 each to save that time, energy, and headache, but I can see where Kevin is coming from in terms of principles. Anyway, we arrived here a bit tired and frustrated, and largely because of this we decided to book a room at a hostel and just hike the mountain tomorrow instead of today. So tomorrow we're going to wake up really early, climb to the top for about 6 hours, and then decide if we want to hike back down or just take the cable car down. We'll then move onto Xi'an tomorrow night where we'll meet up with our second couch surfing friend!

It's nice to be on this vacation right now, but it feels really weird not working. The week before I left, I was getting 4 hours of sleep a night, finalizing my thesis/research, preparing for & helping run the Wisconsin Swiss Ultimate tournament, finishing up some things with EWB, preparing to move, and preparing for this trip. So now I feel really lazy. I'm sure this will be just like the Kenya trips where it just takes me a few days to get into the mindset of moving slowly and not worrying about anything. Once I get to that point, I know this trip will be very theraputic, and will be a great transition between finishing grad school and starting up a business in August.

I'm a bit tired and thus didn't go into many details, but Rachael is currently writing a much longer email to friends & family that I might post to this blog as well. She doesn't feel very comfortable with the world seeing all her thoughts, so it might not happen. Regardless, I'll be sure to write a lot more as the trip progresses.

Lastly, I should note that Twitter and Facebook are blocked here, along with a bunch of other services I usually use like Google Docs and Posterous. Thus, these blog posts will likely be my only media outlet over the next month. I can't see posterous right now so I can't tell if comments are enabled. If they are, your comments show up in my email, but if they aren't you'll have to email me to get ahold of me. I hope everything is going well for you all in the U.S.!

-Mark

To do: Combine my blogs

Mark Liu — Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:31:35 -0500

I have a new blog that I've been using at http://markliu.me and I intend to keep using that. However, I just miss how easy it is to post to my Posterous blog! Posterous has a sweet API now, so in the near future, I'll be writing some code to automatically take entries from this Posterous blog and import them onto my other one.

I don't have the time to do this right now, and since I'm leaving for China in less than 2 weeks I've decided I'll end up using this Posterous blog during my travels. Nothing beats being able to write a blog post straight from email or even Twitter!

It's been a full year since my last international trip, so I'm really pumped to be going on such a long, relaxing 5 week excursion with Rachael. My blog post frequency probably won't be too high since we're not bringing a computer, but I'll have a phone there and maybe I can hook it up to my Twitter account. I'm determined to log a really good amount of this trip because I've really enjoyed going back and reading about past adventures through my old blog posts. My memory isn't the best, and I've never kept a journal, so blogging is definitely the right solution for me!

Where are all the Naysayers?

Mark Liu — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:03:25 -0600

I must be surrounded by the best group of people alive, because I can't seem to find any negative feedback on Leaguevine from anyone. I'm not so much talking about whether or not my users are happy (which they certainly appear to be), but I'm talking about friends, family, colleagues, professors, and strangers I have talked about my ideas with.

I can't tell you how many times over the past 2 months of business classes that I've been told "Don't let the naysayers slow your progress. People are going to tell you your idea sucks, but you can't let this get you down." Just tonight I was at an entrepreneurship dinner and the entrepreneur I was talking gave this same advice, saying how a lot of professors and colleagues on campus told him his idea was bad, but he had to fight through this and just kept on going.

Why is no one telling me my idea stinks?

Am I just lucky and happen to be running into only people who are super encouraging towards entrepreneurs? If this is the case, is this lucky? Could it be better to have some people shoot you down so you can learn what the opposition is thinking? Is there any way my idea really that good that everyone seems to like it?

Or is it just that no one knows anything about Twitter or Ultimate Frisbee and they don't want to reject an idea in a realm they don't know anything about? Maybe that's it.

Regardless of why, all I know is that I've had it extremely easy. These endless streams of encouragement only push me harder to produce my highest quality stuff.

If anyone out there who pushed me forward is reading this, I'd just like to say thanks!

Just Launched Leaguevine!

Mark Liu — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:53:25 -0500

I've been working really hard over the past few months on getting my ultimate site online. Over the past 2 weeks I've been fine tuning things and getting feedback from about 20-30 people. The site was actually live, but I just didn't tell anyone about it :)

Over the last few days, I slowly introduced it to a few more by posting on the Madison Ultimate Frisbee Association forum, and something like 100 people went and looked at it and several who I knew gave me some more feedback. It gave me enough confidence that the site was ready to start really telling people about it!

A few minutes ago I posted a link to it on RSD, the main Ultimate Frisbee forum in the U.S. and I'm having a blast sitting here watching where people are going through my site! I have a web analytics program called clicky analytics installed so I can see what pages are viewed most, how many people are online, and where they currently are in my site. Exciting!

Pictures and Recap of the Kenya Trip

Mark Liu — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:41:18 -0500

Just now I finally wrote up a recap of our recent trip to Kenya. Here is the blog post. I didn't even finish it because I'm so long winded and it was getting too long. I decided to just end it because I was running out of steam. Here are some publicly viewable facebook pictures of the trip!

First album of facebook pictures
Second album of facebook pictures

Enjoy!

What is Your Proudest Achievement?

Mark Liu — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:23:37 -0500

This is the first week of another semester of classes, and I was recently filling out a standard student questionnaire. I was flying through it without thinking, since the questions were the basic "why are you interested in this course" and "what are your hobbies outside of school" types of questions. However, one question came out of nowhere, and made me pause for a moment. It read:

"What is your proudest achievement?"

Within about 10 seconds I had written down "the Engineers Without Borders project that my friend Nate and I headed up". But the question stuck with me after I clicked submit.

While I was walking over to a grant hearing for our EWB project (which we were successfully rewarded, btw!), this question resurfaced and I really thought hard to narrow this down a bit more. Why did I choose EWB over my academics? What about not-so-tangible things like relationships?

When I began comparing this Engineers Without Borders project to my academics, there really was no comparison. My masters program in CS here at UW-Madison was outrageously easy and my undergrad experience at UCLA was actually much easier than my time at Naperville North High School. And since I didn't even finish in the top 10 at Naperville North (after trying really hard, I might add), I couldn't really call that a big success. So in terms of how challenging these things were, Engineers Without Borders was much tougher.

Then I decided to rule out accomplishments like relationships because comparing those to tangible things is like comparing apples and oranges. So I am glad I put down "EWB project" on that survey and continued thinking about what made me proud about it.

I realized that the moment I am proudest of in the entire time I have been working on this project came very recently. On Monday, August 23rd, 2010 to be precise. This day was the culmination of all the work Nate, myself, and several others poured into the project over the past 2 years. I am sad that Nate was not there on this trip with me to experience this, because I know that none of the other travelers were able to appreciate the magnitude of this event.

On that Monday in Kenya, we held a long meeting that consisted of the farmers of Orongo, the chief, the assistant chief, the ministry of irrigation, the ministry of agriculture, and our hosts the Springs of Life. The meeting was called to announce and discuss the selected committee that was to oversee our new irrigation project in the village. Before this meeting happened, a combination of the officials in the community had chosen to select a committee instead of elect it and thus we all knew there would be a bit of resentment from the community in regards to who was chosen. The number one goal of this meeting was to discuss this new committee structure with the farmers and make sure that everyone was okay with it.

The meeting was scheduled to start at 2pm, so naturally at 2:30pm there were about 10 farmers in attendance. We started around 3:30 once the chief arrived, and we ended up with over 100 in attendance. Our group had had a long day so we were pretty exhausted, and I could see it was a bit of a chore for all of our members to stay awake during some really long speeches. It was also very hot out and the meeting was conducted entirely in Luo so it was very hard for us to stay focused. What killed me though is that the meeting ran very late and several of our members had made prior engagements so almost all of our team left this meeting even before it finished.

Because of these annoyances, not to mention the uncomfortable chairs or ticks falling from the trees onto us, I did not get the impression that any of our other travelers enjoyed the meeting. In fact, the blog post that Caroline wrote did not even mention it! However, it was the highlight of my trip for so many reasons.

So... then what was so great about it?

The first reason was that the meeting truly gave the farmers of Orongo a forum to speak their mind and discuss the decisions made by the chiefs, ministries, and Springs of Life. Although the meeting was in Luo, I could still very obviously see lots of upset farmers at the beginning of the meeting sharing their opinions but then a lot of productive discussion following their comments. By the end of the meeting, everyone was happy and on the same page. The chief was smiling as she talked to the farmers, and the farmers were smiling and laughing when they added their final thoughts.

The second reason I enjoyed this meeting was because I did not have to say a single word. This is not because I dislike public speaking - in fact, I am kind of fond of it now. Not having to say anything meant that this project is finally standing on its own two feet. As much progress as we made in our previous January 2010 trip, the progress still revolved around Nate being a great leader and motivational talker. Neither Nate or myself contributed at this meeting. Drew said a few words about us, but the meeting was led almost entirely by Chief Kosume.

Since the very start of this project, Nate and I have been huge advocates of the phrase "this should be their project, not ours". I'm sure our mentor Dick Otis had a big hand in teaching us the fundamentals for sustainable development, so I think a lot of the credit should go to him. Despite knowing these fundamentals from the onset, we have faced incredible difficulties getting the community to take ownership of the project. Orongo is right outside of Kisumu which is filled to the brim with NGOs so they are not new to development work. The problems stem from the residents being very used to NGOs coming in, quickly doing a project (such as drilling a borehole or building latrines) and then leaving without any follow up. These projects that don't have any community involvement tend to be the ones that fail in the long run because no one in the community feels a sense of ownership in the project and thus no one is willing to maintain it and see that its benefits extend for many years. But the residents of Orongo like these types of projects. The residents are used to them, expect them, and prefer the small wages they get for constructing these projects over the benefits that a well thought out successful project might bring. Because of our difference in philosophies, getting everyone to buy into ours has taken 2 years, but it appears we have finally done it.

When we met separately with the Springs of Life, the chiefs, and the ministries, we all decided it was best for these groups to work together to select the people who would be in charge of the irrigation project. This meant that Engineers Without Borders would not be in charge of deciding whether the committee should be created by selection or by election. These groups chose to select the committee and went about doing so entirely on their own, showing a significant amount of ownership in this project. They were merely guided by Engineers Without Borders to make sure they included equal representation between the different clans as well as equal gender representation. I am very proud that our group of students have developed enough credibility within the community so that these local leaders listened to what we had to say and eventually agreed with us.

Lastly, the fact that this meeting happened at all was a huge accomplishment. Creating a committee for our project has been on our long term road map for a while, and it has been a challenge getting there. On a couple of occasions we were forced to weigh our options and figure out whether or not a project in Orongo was even possible for us, given the difficulties in politics and community mobilization we've been facing. In the end I am very proud of how we were able to grind it out during the hard times and remind ourselves that our goal is to make the biggest positive impact we can in this village. This meeting solidified our long term involvement in this Orongo irrigation project.

I heard a tree metaphor while I was in Kenya and feel like it applies nicely to this event. If the start of our project, i.e. our first trip to Kenya, can be described as planting a seed, then this meeting was taking that seedling that has been growing and planting it in our yard where it will stay permanently. The project's roots are now taking hold.

I am really proud of everyone who has been involved with this project to get it to this point.

My 4th and possibly last trip to Kenya with Engineers Without Borders

Mark Liu — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:02:24 -0500

In just a couple days I'll be heading out to Kenya again with EWB. I'm currently in a rush to take care of lots of little things before I go, but I'd like to step back and put my current thoughts down on paper so I have some documentation of this exciting time before I forget it the details.

Why this trip will be our best one yet

It took our group about 2 years to adapt to the Kenyan culture and their ways of doing things, but we are finally headed in the right direction. Our very first trip back in 2008 was purely an assessment trip where we did nothing but talk to people, so I can't say we did anything wrong there. But each of our next two trips, we went in with the mindset that we are going to get so much done and maximize every second of our time to help as many people as possible. While that sounds nice to our American ears, this was the totally wrong approach to take. We were moving too fast for our Kenyan friends, we weren't taking the time to build solid relationships with each individual in the community, and we were working so hard that the villagers began seeing the project as our project instead of theirs. In a nutshell, the villagers of Orongo began to let us do our own thing while passively watching the project unfold.

Last trip, however, we began to figure things out. Instead of continuing our fast pace and trying so hard to push people to get a project off the ground, we made a concious effort to take a step back and slow down. We spread out and talked to as many people as we could, we sat and had tea with both officials and residents, and we did not rush the process despite our short three week trip. I remember one of our main friends Steve Obongo saying at the end of our trip, "Now you understand us. Now I truly believe this project will succeed."

Indeed, by slowing down and focusing on building relationships instead of on building our project, we somehow got more done. Our main contacts are finally beginning to see this as their own project and are contributing time and effort to it.

Our trips are only 3-4 weeks long, leaving 10 months of the year when we do not have students in Kenya. The most important thing we can do is to keep our contacts contributing enthusiastically to the development of our projects while we are gone. During these past 6 months, we have received several email correspondences from our contacts giving us status updates, something we struggled mightily with before.

Now that we seem to have figured things out, I truly expect things to continue running this smoothly if not moreso.

Why it took 2 years to get to this point

It is hard to explain how difficult it was to buy into the slow pace of things. People literally show up to important meetings 2 or 3 hours late, or sometimes not at all. But the most shocking part is that if you are the person being stood up, you are expected to not get the least bit upset about it. The villagers joke that there are three meeting times in the day: "morning", "mid-day", and "night". If we schedule a meeting with someone for 3pm sharp, it is perfectly acceptable to arrive any time between 3 and 6.

I'll give an example of how much we bought into the mindset of this during this last trip. We bumped into Alex the assistant chief and scheduled a meeting at 5pm with him the next day at his home. That next day, Nate and myself were helping prepare dinner and looked at a clock and realized it was about 5:45 so we then starting on the 25 minute walk over to Alex's home. Not surprisingly, he wasn't there. We called him on his cell phone and he said he was running late but he was on his way right now and should be there in 20 minutes so we should wait for him. However, Nate and I were getting hungry and there was not much light left, so we asked him if he really would be there in 20 minutes. He hesitated, then admitted it would take him much longer to arrive and that he would just stop by the home in Orongo where we were staying. So we took the 25 minute walk back to our home, ate dinner, and never heard from Alex that night.

The surpring part of this story is not that it happened (stuff like this happens every day in Kenya), but that Nate and I were honestly not bothered by it at all.

My goal for this trip

My goal for this tirp has very little to do with technical achievements or visible milestones. My goal is simply to pass on the knowledge that Nate and I gained during our first two years working on this project.

Nate and I were the first two project managers after taken our first trip to Orongo, and very early on we learned that the people benefitting most from our project were the students. Our organization is not focused on relief where we immediately step in and save lives, and our organization is not big enough or well funded where we can quickly drop down one or more colossal projects that we can then leave and move onto the next village. Instead, we are focused on closely partnering with a single community for many years, learning as much as we can from each other, and incrementally improving the quality of life in the partnering village.

I strongly feel that this partnership benefits the students at least as much as the village.

These last two years have certainly changed both mine and Nate's lives in a positive way so I hope to use these next four weeks to inspire the same type of self-introspection. I feel that having new young members who truly care about this kind of work is the key to keeping this project thriving well after both Nate and I are gone (well, Nate is not a student anymore but he's still contributing a lot so maybe he'll be around for a while!).

It may be my last (for a little while)

I am really lucky to be able to go to Kenya 4 times with this project. However, after this trip, I feel like the project will be able to stand on its own two legs without either me or Nate doing anything. Thus, even though I'll be part of EWB for another year, it might be best if newer students are the ones traveling and learning and growing. Right now I feel like I've gotten more than my fair share of great opportunities and since I hopefully won't be needed in the future, I would like to share the wealth.

There is still a very good chance I'll be going back on my own separately from Engineers Without Borders. One possibility for next summer is for Rachael and I to go to Africa to volunteer for a while before she takes off for medical school. Knowing this, I'm really not too bummed that this may be my last official EWB trip to Kenya.

As a side note, if you want to read updates from this next trip, please check out our travel blog!

So long for my Stall 9 name

Mark Liu — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:58:35 -0500

Looks like sometime in the last few weeks, a new company sprang up and called themselves Stall 9 Ultimate. This was definitely a shocker to me. And because I'm not really the creative type, the prospect of having to come up with another suitable name ruined my night. I've done a lot of reading into what goes into a good name, and after spending several hours studying this practice and brainstorming words, I think I've come up with a new one. I'll let it sit in my head for a while first though, and decide if it really is what I want before sharing it with the world.

I'm moving blogs again

Mark Liu — Thu, 27 May 2010 14:03:00 -0500

Hi everyone. Yesterday I finished building my own site which I will use for updates such as the ones I had provided here. I'm excited about this new site because its the first blog I've had where I actually programmed it myself! Feel free to check it out here:

http://markliu.me

I hope you like it!

Kicking Off This Site

Mark Liu — Wed, 26 May 2010 21:46:12 -0500

I'm really excited to be putting this new website up today! I had been using this posterous blog for travel updates while I was in India and hiking the John Muir Trail last summer. And I was using a different blog for my recent trip to Kenya. However, I am infinitely more excited about this one.

I have recently been working with Python and the Django web development framework for an ultimate frisbee site I'm creating (I'm being a bit secretive about its details :P) and realized I missed a major step in the learning process. After learning a lot about the Django community, it seems that creating your own blog is something of a rite of passage in becoming a legit developer. Thus, I took a step back from my original project, and spent the last week or so coding this site.

The time spent on this site was well worth it, and I learned plenty of things about both development and deployment. And now that I have this blog, I actually have a place where I can talk about useful things that I've learned!

The code behind this site is fairly straightforward and after I clean it up and document it better, I'll be releasing it so you all can do whatever you want with it. Very few sites make their entire codebase open source (and there are plenty of good reasons for this!), so it would have been nice while I was writing this to be able to view the source for a full Django project like this. There are plenty of open source Django applications strewn about the web which are useful to both use and learn from, but full projects that included url confs and templates are of the most use to brand new users of the framework.

I'd like to be able to tell you how often I'll be posting to this blog, but I really can't say. Probably around once a month? I do have an idea about what I'll be posting on at least. I'll share useful information when I see something that more people should know about, especially in regards to technology and programming. And I'll also use this blog to talk about fun experiences in my life such as ultimate, hiking, or traveling. Hopefully I'll become a better writer in the process!

Thanks for stopping by!

Trip to Kenya from 12/29/09 - 1/20/10

Mark Liu — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:32:00 -0600

I will be traveling to Kenya for the third time in a few days, but instead of posting all about it here, I have instead set up a group blog so everyone on this trip can post. There are 7 of us so hopefully between us all we can give plenty of updates! This blog is located at:

http://ewb-orongo.posterous.com

Life has really calmed down

Mark Liu — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:01:28 -0500

I'm now back into the regular groove of things at Madison after a lot of fun traveling this summer. The John Muir Trail was absolutely amazing and would take a very long time to tell about all of those experiences. I wish I had gotten cell phone reception more often during the trail, but as expected, I was out of service for the last 10 or so days so I couldn't send updates. I do want to write about this trip eventually but I think Jon will be taking care of this for me! He is planning on making one of those personalized books for each of us hikers to have and I'll definitely help him collaborate. I think this is a great idea for keeping these memories forever, especially since both Jon and I have relatively poor memories. I'm finally getting around to posting my photos from the trip on facebook (www.facebook.com/mliu7) and if I find myself bored at some point in this next week I may write more about this on this blog. If I don't do it soon though I know it will never happen since my research is going to be getting into full swing really soon!

I'm enjoying being settled down for a little while now but I know I'll soon be itching to go somewhere interesting again. My next possible trip would be to Orongo, Kenya in January with Engineers Without Borders. A few days ago I was brought up to speed with what I missed on this project so I'm pumped to be back into the swing of things!

At Muir Trail Ranch

Mark Liu — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:00:45 -0500

Hey everyone. I'm still fine and well and am at Muir Trail Ranch right now, about 110 miles in. George and John are great companions and we're all healthy. I just wanted to make sure we could get the meet up point right!

For our resupply/meetup near independence, we will meet you guys at the junction of the bullfrog lake trail and the JMT (the place alyssa showed me on the map at elevation 10560) on Tuesday at 1pm. From there, George and John have decided to change their schedule to match ours and we can then be off the trail 3 days later. We'll be at the summit of Whitney between noon and 1pm on Friday, and then exit that night. (To Rachael and Alyssa) I hope you guys can meet up with us from Independence! The last little bit is pretty tough (41 miles with a lot of ups and downs) after the meetup point, but I think we can do it in 4 days if you're healthy. Anyway, I hope you'r having a good time enjoying california.

-Mark

In California, Preparing for the John Muir Trail

Mark Liu — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:21:34 -0500

Rachael and I have made it safely back to the states and yesterday flew out here to San Luis Obispo, CA and are staying at Alyssa's house. Its gorgeous out here and hope it stays this nice on the trail! We have been buying a ton of food and are dehydrating a lot of things. We're almost ready to go. We'll be driving up to Yosemite tomorrow to start the hike and are planning on spending about 20 days to complete it.

We're shipping all of our food to the various food pick up points. It looks like we will go about 6 days before our first restock, 3 days before the next, 6-7 days until the next and then 3 days until we are finished. Most people don't have the luxury of the last restocking point, but Alyssa's parents are being really helpful and will be driving to a trailhead about 5 miles away from the intersection of the JMT and then hike out to meet us and give us the last 3 days worth of food! They will also meet us at Mount Whitney at the end of the hike which will be awesome.

On a side note, I threw out my back yesterday but it looks like I will still be able to start the hike with Alyssa and Rachael at our planned time. They put me on some steroids and muscle relaxers and I've been doing some exercises and have been doing pretty well. Much better than the last time I threw out my back! If I keep improving at this rate I'll definitely be ready to go with no problems.

So excited!!

Almost time to leave

Mark Liu — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:00:39 -0500

Everything is wrapping up here nicely and I'm having no problems moving out thankfully! It was sad saying bye to my ultimate friends I've made here since yesterday was the last time I would be playing with them. I will probably miss them the most along with Siva when I leave here. Rachael asked me the other day what I would miss most and after a long while of thinking the only two things I could think of were the new friends I made and having so extremely little to worry about. Even though there are infinitely many perks to living in the states over living here, having almost no pressures while still having a great group of friends is amazing.

Unrelated, but I apologize for the timebeing about being slow to respond to e-mails and such because the system here is having all sorts of problems with authenticating me on certain huge sites. I can't access gmail, facebook, or even my ewbuw site. Hopefully I'll have access soon!

Tomorrow we are traveling to Mysore finally to explore a huge palace and see some extremely old temples. There is one that is 4000 years old! Then on Sunday I am leaving for the airport and will be back in Naperville Monday morning bright and early. Rachael and I then have two days to pack our bags, buy any extra camping supplies, and head out to California to meet Alyssa and get ready for the John Muir Trail. We'll be starting the actual hike one week from tomorrow! I think I would be really sad about leaving here if it weren't for this hike.

Anna, Kyle, Rachael and I are going out to dinner with Rachael's labmates now so I have to go. I hope to get in touch with all of you soon!

A sad week

Mark Liu — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:36:19 -0500

Just wanted to give you all a quick update so you know I'm still alive. Its been a while since I've posted. Unfortunately on Monday, my grandpa passed away so I've been pretty bummed. Of all the people reading these posts, I got by far the most feedback from him so I'm glad I was at least able to keep in contact with him during these last few months despite being on the other side of the world... I'll certainly miss him a lot.

This weekend I'm traveling to Siva's home again near Salem in Tamil Nadu so I'll be out of contact for a few more days. Once I'm back, I have less than a week before heading home to Chicago and then after spending 2 days there I'll be headed out to California for hiking the John Muir Trail with Rachael and Alyssa. Despite a fun summer I'm really excited to leave here to go hiking for 3+ weeks. Alyssa and I have been committed to taking this trip for over a year now :)

Last weekend at Pondicherry was fantastic and I'll have to post about that soon. Just not quite in the mood this week to write a gushing review of possibly the best weekend here so far. :/ Soon though.

More birthday festivities

Mark Liu — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:46:35 -0500

Today has already started out really fun and looks to only get better. Kyle slept over in my room last night so we could go to play ultimate at 6:30am. As always it was a ton of fun and also good to have another friend there!

Tonight though, we're celebrating Anna's birthday! Somehow someway it coincided exactly with the premier of the Harry Potter movie which she has been dying to see. So tonight we are going to go to a waffle and ice cream place for dinner and then go see Harry Potter. Fun times!

Last weekend in Kerala

Mark Liu — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:25:15 -0500

This past weekend Rachael, Anna, Kyle and I visited Kerala on many people's recommendations. Conveniently for us, Siva's friend Sandeep planned out a whole trip for us so all we had to do was follow along and have a good time! Siva was unfortunately unable to come, but I had met Sandeep before and knew he was a good guy so we didn't have to worry. There were 10 of us in the group total and we couldn't have had a better group to travel with. The 6 of them were extremely fun and joking around the entire time. They of course knew each other really well so often those 6 would sit at one table during dinner and talk in Hindi while we were at our own table. But the entire time they made us feel welcome and they never made us feel at all like we were imposing or hindering the trip.

Kerala is the nicest in the monsoon season which is right now. Luckily though, it was cool the entire time but never rainy! It was absolutely gorgeous. If you are curious where exactly we went, we went to some hill stations between Munnar and Thekkady and stayed at a guest house at the cadimum (sp?) agricultural research institute. Where we stayed was not touristy at all, and Siva's friend Murugan works there and graciously hosted us for the weekend.

To get there, we took a 30 minute autorickshaw to the train station, an 8 hour train ride to dindigul in Tamil Nadu, then a 3 hour taxi ride to Kambam, then a 1 hour jeep ride up to the agricultural research institute. It always takes so long to travel here! Especially to non-touristy places. We did get out of the jeep and walk around to see some nice scenery.

On Saturday we went hiking to the top of a hill which was fantastic. We could see mountain ranges all around us, wind farms in the distance, dams along the mountain sides. It was the first time we've been able to get out into nature here in India. Almost no trash!

Staying that night at the guest house was interesting though! The rooms weren't quite the cushy accomodations of Goa... One of the beds was covered in rat poop when we arrived and when we later opened the room, a rat scurried away! Speaking of which, a rat got into most of my food while traveling on the train, and then that night another rat got into the rest of it. There were also massive spiders in the girls' bathroom and Kyle said three of those giant flying ants flew into his ear during the night! Tent camping was sounding extremely luxurious at this point!

On Sunday we went to the peak of another really large hill and that was amazing as well. The weather was beautiful and we could see tons of the Kerala countryside.

The group we were with was really goofy and we had many long photo shoots with fun shots. We got involved too so when I get a chance I'll post some fun stuff to facebook!

The trip back wasn't quite as easy because the train was all booked up. We took a 9 seater van all the way back instead. Unfortunately, these were actual seats instead of benches and there were 10 of us so Sandeep volunteered himself to lay on the floor. Thanks to him, the rest of us were quite comfortable! Both Sandeep and Murugan were amazing hosts. Right before we left, they recommended we buy some food just in case we didn't like what we found for dinner and Sandeep and Murugan were actually arguing between each other who should pay for the food we wanted to buy! Recall here that we didn't know them until this past weekend! In fact, Murugan didn't know any of the 10 people who went on this trip. To give an analogy, this is pretty much the same thing as a friend in LA calling me up to say he has 10 foreign friends who I've never met who have plane tickets to Milwaukee and nothing else and then expecting me to drive over there, arrange for rides, food, housing, and entertainment for a full 2 days. Whats more is Murugan was so happy about hosting us and seemed to have a great time himself! It was hospitality at its finest.

Some Pictures of Indian Food

Mark Liu — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:15:00 -0500

One of the biggest differences between living here and at home is definitely the food. Apparently some foreigners at NCBS can't deal with it and end up eating a lot of cookies and bread. Luckily I find most of it quite good (except the food at B mess which I do not need to eat anymore!). One thing that is still difficult to get used to though, is eating with my hands! Some things like chappathi or pastries are of course easy to eat with your hands, but most things are not. For instance, today at lunch I ate Rice, Chappathi, Yoghurt, an Egg in a bowl of sauce, and masala. And boy was it messy. No one looked at me funny when my right hand was covered in sauce and rice because they were all doing it too! In fact, they are still slightly more messy than me because at the end of all their meals, they pour buttermilk on their remaining rice, mix it up really well, and eat the soupy concoction with just their right hand. Kind of unsightly to watch, but they do it with unbelievable efficiency!

Anyway, here is an example of some Tamil food we had on one of our trips there:

[Edit] The image did not load correctly. Here is a link to someone else's picture of pretty much the same meal: http://www.chennaitransit.com/ChennaiTransit/Gimages//chennaimeal1.jpg

That green thing is a banana leaf. Some guy with three tins of different sauce walks around and continues to scoop more onto your leaf as you eat until you fold the thing closed. It was quite tasty actually, even though I'm not a big fan of their rice here.

What I am a big fan of though, is their desert. This little guy is soooo delicious. Don't know what its called though. I think it starts with a J. My other favorite desert is Mysorepak and I'll be sure to bring a bunch home with me.

And I should definitely post a picture of that way too spicy Gobi Manchurian. Haven't gotten the courage to try it again but it'll happen since its probably the tastiest food I've had here.

And this is a typical breakfast over at NCBS. Tea and Dosa with sauce. At IISc we usually have these doughnuts that are spicy instead of sweet called vada with some spicy white sauce.

And then you have the desert that everyone here seems to prefer:

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I had a great birthday

Mark Liu — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:06:13 -0500

Thanks to Rachael, Kyle, Anna, and Siva, I had a really great birthday. They took me to a nice Chinese restaurant called Red Bamboo Shoots and brought me a bunch of fun presents! Also, they got me the coolest cake ever. The text on it was:

IT IS YOUR BIRTHDAY.

hahaha if you get that reference you are probably awesome.

July 4th Weekend in Goa

Mark Liu — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:12:00 -0500

This past weekend was quite fun. A little too short though... On Friday Anna, Kyle, Rachael, and I took a 14 hour overnight bus ride from Bangalore to Goa and arrived at about 10am. The busses had AC set to extremely cold but luckily Rachael brought a jacket and I brought a sweatshirt which we put over our faces and it was tolerable. Poor Anna and Kyle though... There were not sheets on the bus and both of them had only short sleeves and shorts. Anna claimed this was colder than the time we wandered London for 4 hours in January without jackets on so I couldn't even imagine their pain! She lost her voice completely from that AC. One good part of the busride though was that when Rachael woke up at night really having to pee (there were no bathrooms on the bus), we walked up to the driver and he stopped so we could go pee on the side of the road. They only stopped 1 or 2 times during the whole 14 hour ride. I guess Indians can just hold it in better than us Americans!

Goa was really pretty and had tons of really lush forrests amidst a ton of rice fields. It was clearly a place for tourists, as the accomodations were quite nice and had a lot of white people there. We stayed at Anjuna beach at a place called Villa Anjuna in these rooms right outside a nice swimming pool. At this place there was also a cafe that served tons of western foods! Actually, the whole time we were there we ate almost all western food which was fantastic.

Unfortunately it was the monsoon season so we couldn't really lay out on the beach. It was always drizzling and the waves were just massive. It was plenty warm though so we walked along the sand and rocks for a while. Kyle and Anna got adventurous and walked onto the rocks to see the wildlife in the tide pools. While they did get to see a whole bunch of crabs, a wave knocked them down and since the rocks were really jagged, they got a bunch of small cuts on their feet and arms. They're fine now though.

Other than that, we didn't do too much there except just relax. And it really was as relaxed as I've been here in India. The trip home though was not quite as much! We took a slower bus home, 16 hours, and it only stopped for a bathroom break once! We realized how little these busses stop so we were sure to drink as little as possible in the hours leading up to it, but Anna still had to pee really badly about 4 or 5 hours in. So we decided all to try to go alongside the road and went up to the bus driver and the conductor to ask them to pee. And the conductor told us to go away. We kept pleading to him that it was an emergency and he just told us to go back and sit down and was kicking at Anna's shoe to get her to move away! So we went back and Anna survived another couple hours until we stopped. What was so surprising though, was that at the last stop when we were getting off and getting our bags, the conductor kept saying "Hello friend! Can you give me a tip? 50 rupees." I don't understand... haha

This is the bus I keep talking about:

The bus on the way back was also extremely bumpy and difficult to sleep on, so I ended up sleeping 11 hours last night to make up for it! That was sure enjoyable. Tonight us 4 plus Siva are going out to find some Chinese food for my bday which I'm sure looking forward to! Oh, and speaking of awesome luck with food, I got switched by default yesterday from B Mess to C mess because B mess all of the sudden closed for the month for some unknown reason. I had been trying to switch for over a month because the food at C mess was ten times better but they wouldn't let me because their paper book keeping system is so complex/old fashioned you can't really change things so easily. So as of today I have good food for all my meals!

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On first impression, Posterous is cooler than Tumblr

Mark Liu — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:23:00 -0500

It has no way to set custom themes or make things look pretty, but its
functionality is really fun! And it is faster and much easier to use
than Tumblr after playing with it for only minutes. I thin this will be my main blogging platform for now. If you are curious about the tumbler blog I tried out for a few days it was located at:

http://wiscospike.tumblr.com/

4th update from India

Mark Liu — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:18:39 -0500

So this is my first ever blog entry on my first ever blog… I feel so behind the times that I thought I would give this a shot and see what its like! There is a good chance you’ll see future blog posts from different blogging sites while I get a feel for things. I guess what made me change to updates on blogging sites instead of those mass e-mails is I’ve been quite interested in web development recently and since I’m doing all this research about the new trends in social media, I should really start participating as well!

Anyway, I am posting this now because I’m in such a good mood right now. Today is just going amazingly. I played ultimate for the first time in India and it was as much fun as I had hoped. Ultimate people are just really cool. They are really new to the game so its not quite like playing in the states, but the players were all really friendly. One of the guys gave me a ride most of the way back and gave me his number so I can ask him questions about where to stay this weekend in Goa. Even though they play at 6:30 am, I’m pretty sure I’ll be going to 2 games a week from now on! The only problem with playing there was all of the cricket games going on around us which meant there were always about 5-10 people running around our field at all times which we had to dodge. There were also a group of 4 people just standing around in the middle of our field talking and when one of our players asked them to move they said that we don’t own this ground… That would definitely not fly in the states. First off, no one in their right mind would stand on an obvious playing field just because they can, and second, if they were asked to move, 99.9% of people in the states would get off the field. I still find that behavior shocking.

Anyway, on the way back to IISc this morning after the ultimate guy dropped me off, I took an autorickshaw the rest of the way back and he didn’t try to rip me off! He tried to get his meter working but when it was obviously broken, I suggested 20 rupees which is probably what a meter would have cost and he didn’t argue. We then had to go farther than I originally thought to a back entrance and almost got into 2 accidents while I was giving directions to him and he still didn’t complain about the price. I ended up giving him more than that anyway just because he didn’t try to rip me off. haha, I probably ended up paying the same amount as I would pay an ordinary rickshaw driver who haggled the price with me, only at least this guy knows he was doing honest business.

So recently I traveled to Kanyakumari on the southern tip of India. Siva took us there on a 14 hour train ride. The ride there was really nice. It was an air conditioned sleeper car with reasonably comfortable mats, only 2 levels of beds, and came with sheets, blankets, a pillow, and a curtain for privacy. So that was really sweet. The way back though wasn’t nearly as nice… There was no AC which meant a lot more bugs, there were 3 layers of beds which meant a lot less space, no curtains so there was exactly zero privacy, much less comfortable mats, and no blankets, sheets, or pillows. Somehow I still got a great sleep though!

While Rachael and I were at Siva’s in law’s place at Monday Market (about 20 minutes from Kanyakumari) we were treated really well. They gave us the upstairs guest room which was actually a really nice accomodation. We had our own western style bathroom with hot water for showers too. His mother in law cooked us 2-3 meals a day. Eating there was a little awkward though. Because we were the guests, we were supposed to eat first before everyone else. We would sit at a table with just food in front of Rachael and I and Siva, his Father in law, his mother in law, his brother in law, and sister in law would all be there watching us eat (sometimes not all of them since they would also do other things). His mother in law would stand literally 5-10 feet away and wait for our plates to start getting empty and whenever they reached a certain point she would come over and scoop us some more. So that was sure an interesting experience.

Probably the most shocking experience there was the early morning church. This was a Christian community and there was a very nearby church that held service every morning at 5am-6am. Simillar to the Kenyan churches I experienced last summer, this church had incredibly loud speakers pointed away from the church so everyone in the community could hear every word loudly and clearly. In our room it was significantly louder than sitting right in front of a TV set to normal listening volume. Needless to say we didn’t get much sleep for that hour either morning. The crazy thing is that that church service happens every single morning and the residents don’t seem to mind! And speaking of things similar to Kenya, we found out that Siva’s in law’s move at a speed comparable to our Kenyan friends! Friday night we were asked to be ready to go by 8:30 saturday morning so we were up and ready at that time. We ended up sitting around playing with Siva’s newphew, talking, and really doing almost nothing until leaving at about 11… So then Saturday night they apologized for leaving so late and said we should sleep in until 11 Sunday morning. But then Siva’s mother in law said breakfast would be ready at 9:30 and that we should be ready to eat then and we would leave right after breakfast. So sure enough we wake up and get down there at 9:30 to eat breakfast. But we end up sitting around waiting for people to shower, play with Siva’s nephew some more and don’t leave until after 12! haha its kind of ridiculous, but at least I’m used to it so it doesn’t make me think less of such a welcoming family.

Speaking of inefficiencies, I still can’t get a good grasp on whether or not Indians are fast paced or slow paced. Everyone is rushing around so fast on their mopeds and traffic is outrageously agressive. People are pushing and cutting in lines and always in such a hurry to get their food or any other kinds of service. But then they take these super long lunch and tea breaks every day and don’t start work until about 10 or 11! Seems conflicting so I’m still trying to understand it. haha, I saw one of the most ridiculous wastes of time the other day when I was taking water samples in a village on the border of Karnataka and Andrea Pradesh. Granted, it was not a huge village so life moves slower there but still. We needed samples from a tap and the taps weren’t currently running because the pump had been turned off for the day (people get their water during a 1 or 2 hours of pumping time each day). So we needed to turn the pump back on to get water, but it takes 15 minutes for the water to start up. So we had to wait in the blazing sun for this. First of all, I thought it was incredibly inefficient and time wasteful that all 4 members of our group was standing around waiting for this water. But on top of that, 6 other adults and 5 children were standing around just watching us wait for water to come out of the tap where we would put a bottle under it and be done. hahaha. Seriously, in the US, it would take one person to collect the samples, and during those 15 minutes of downtime (which wouldn’t exist because our water sources are so awesome!) that person would go do something else instead of look at it. 15 people*15 minutes was almost 4 wasted man hours where everyone was bored, hot and doing nothing productive or amusing… very odd.

Yet on the complete opposite side of the spectrum is their unbelievably effecient food service! After taking those water samples we went for lunch at a busy restaurant where there were about 15 tables of 6 people each. Lunch lasted a total of 15-20 minutes from the time we walked in until the time we walked out. Absolutely unbelievable considering how this was a great sit down place. In those 15 minutes, we washed our hands, ordered, got our drinks, got an appetizer (massa vada which was delicious), got another appetizer (jammoon, also delicious), got our main course (mysore masasla dosa, both delicious and filling), got our first desert (curd with lots of sugar), got our second desert (ice cream), drank tea, paid for it all, and washed our hands again. Further, this cost about $1.50. Yes, I was eating about as fast as I possibly could to keep up with everyone, and took my tea so fast I scalded my tongue, but it I enjoyed having such a great meal without wasting a second!

And speaking of food, I had the absolute best meal I’ve had here yesterday. There is a small canteen here for people from outside the campus that I tried for the first time and I had buttered poori with gobi manjuri was that amaaazing. Juicy, crispy, spicy, sweet, flavorful. Sounds a little like panda express right? haha, probably as good as that which is saying a lot considering how much I love Panda. Only problem was, I am getting used to eating meals here with no water during the meals and only taking a drink afterwards. But this meal happened to be one of the two spiciest meals I’ve had here (making it one of the three spiciest I’ve had in my life!) so I was about to die by the end. My face was covered in sweat, my eyes were beginning to tear up, I was breathing heavily, and it was a chore just to talk and order water afterwards! haha, totally worth it though. I think I’m going to get it again today but bring water with me.

This first post is getting long I think. I am going to go now and book some tickets for this weekend. We have a full schedule of weekends lined up to finish off this India trip! This weekend we’ll be going to Goa which is known for its beautiful beaches and almost no crowds during this monsoon season. The next weekend we’ll be going to Kerala which is also known for its scenery and backwaters. The following weekend we’ll be going to Pondicherry which is beautiful and hot this time of year and we can actually go swimming for the first time! And then the last weekend we’ll be visiting Siva’s house again. Hopefully we can also push our flight forward a couple of days to go see the Taj Mahal before we leave. I think I’ll send shorter, more frequent updates from now on. I think I might also add random stuff to this blog in case you want to check it more often. There’s lots of fun things on the web these days that are definitely worth sharing with anyone who cares!