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term="sectarianism"/><category term="social gospel"/><category term="social justice"/><category term="theonomy"/><title type='text'>More Than Words</title><subtitle type='html'>The personal weblog of David Anderson</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mothwo.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6097581429595233439/posts/default?redirect=false'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mothwo.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6097581429595233439/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25&amp;redirect=false'/><author><name>David Anderson</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13177521181432533108</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='27' height='32' src='http://david.dw-perspective.org.uk/MyMugshot.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>1285</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6097581429595233439.post-7825076327519775961</id><published>2026-03-09T18:28:00.003+03:00</published><updated>2026-03-09T18:33:24.611+03:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="divine image"/><title type='text'>There are no short-cuts in being human</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;This is an interesting thread (especially if you include the comments of others) on what happened in one lecturer&#39;s class when (she strongly suspects) her students began using AIs to summarise the study material that they were meant to read.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://xcancel.com/Sally_Sharif1/status/2030403451663114603#m&quot;&gt;https://xcancel.com/Sally_Sharif1/status/2030403451663114603#m&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are no shortcuts from the back-and-forth of reading something with the desire to learn through interacting with it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, in Western education for some time now, much of the process is often skewed by the idea that the important thing is to gain the qualification. The qualification was meant to measure whether the education had been gained; but as with other measures, is subject to Goodhart&#39;s Law, &quot;When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure&quot; - &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law&quot;&gt;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law&lt;/a&gt; . When people are focussing upon the piece of paper that says they&#39;re educated (or that the school they&#39;re running educates lots of people well, etc.), then actually becoming educated starts to slide, and slide, and slide. I wonder if it&#39;s even possible to hit a lower nadir than in the Covid years, when the UK government handed out grades and certificates which ultimately expressed &quot;here&#39;s what we believe you could have got in an exam if we&#39;d educated you&quot;.... and the merry system happily trundled on, undisturbed by the important realities that it was orginally set up to accomplish.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Current AI (based on Large Language Models), like many other things, is, as we experiment with it and discover its strengths and weaknesses, pointing us to the wonders of humanity, made in the image of God. Yes, perhaps you can get a machine (after much human study and ingenuity to make the machine) which can approximate and outwardly resemble the product of actual human thought.&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;But that, in the things that matter, is generally unlikely to be of real use, and may cause real harm if I pretend otherwise&lt;/i&gt;. If an AI summarises a text for me, that could be useful if I wanted to check if I might have missed something from a mental summary that I had from having done the proper engagement and reflection through reading and thinking. But if I use it to&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;replace&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;the engagement, then I only get the mirage of learning, the self-delusion that I took part in learning..... and not the actual learning itself.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No doubt in some scenarios, a quick-and-cheerful summary of something straightforward has value, and the AI can do something useful there. (Note too, though, that such cases are likely to be the ones that humans were already doing well - you can probably easily Google for a human-generated summary, and the AI is likely good at the task because it ingested so many human summaries in its construction). But if it&#39;s being deployed to do something that is trying to imitate human thought, reflection, moral wisdom, creativity, and such things that are tied up with what it means to be a divine image bearer.... then it&#39;s probably being mis-deployed, and the results will be worse than if we had simply ignored it. Christian wisdom requires understanding the wider purpose and point of something within the Creator&#39;s overall plan and design.... not simply how to economise on the use of time to achieve higher efficiency, as modern Westerners understand efficiency. Modern Western culture is obsessed with superficial efficiency in order to increase economic output; the cost of this is paid elsewhere, and is significant.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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More Than Words: http://mothwo.blogspot.com&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mothwo.blogspot.com/feeds/2557573934078504610/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/6097581429595233439/2557573934078504610' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6097581429595233439/posts/default/2557573934078504610'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6097581429595233439/posts/default/2557573934078504610'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mothwo.blogspot.com/2026/02/the-first-bigamist.html' title='The first bigamist'/><author><name>David Anderson</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13177521181432533108</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='27' height='32' src='http://david.dw-perspective.org.uk/MyMugshot.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6097581429595233439.post-1108628037793852560</id><published>2026-02-09T18:01:00.012+03:00</published><updated>2026-02-09T23:54:24.305+03:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="communion"/><title type='text'>Wine and grape juice</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;Personally, I am happy when celebrating communion to drink either fermented wine, or grape juice. This is because all the Biblical accounts either use the words &quot;fruit of the vine&quot;, or just &quot;cup&quot; to refer metonymically to the contents of the cup. Both fermented wine (henceforth this is what I mean if I just say &quot;wine&quot;) and grape juice are &quot;fruit of the vine&quot;.&amp;nbsp;The New Testament has other terms that specifically identify wine, but the accounts of the Lord&#39;s Supper don&#39;t use them. And so, for me, there it is.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are some, however, who insist that it is important - even some of them say, a matter for breaking communion (which boggles my mind) - that the fruit of the vine must be fermented. If it is not fermented, then the church has been unfaithful to Jesus - in effect, it is disobedient, over the only repeated ordinance of the Christian life.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I come across such a person, I try to understand why they believe this. Now I confess, I&#39;ve not gone hunting for an academic treatment, nor have I ever come across one (or had one offered by the people saying that it&#39;s important). But I take it that if someone is so convinced that they are teaching it to others, then they must have done the research, and have a decent argument.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In Christianity Today this month an article has been published, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/02/jesus-did-not-serve-grape-juice-communion-wine-lords-supper/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&quot;Jesus did not serve grape juice&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. The author explains (and here&#39;s my way of understanding what he says!) that when he teaches college students, he burdens their consciences with an idea that they&#39;d never encountered before: that they are not celebrating the meal that Jesus instituted, because unfermented grape juice, and wine, are two different liquids, and only the latter is found in the Bible. Using the former removes all Biblical symbolism from the meal, and effectively makes it a different ordinance from the one which Christ ordained. The sign has been changed, nay, removed. It signifies &quot;worse than nothing&quot;, and is akin to &quot;someone getting baptized in oil, tar, or urine&quot;. It is a matter of &quot;obedience&quot;; the miscreants using grape juice are &quot;not following Jesus’ stated instructions&quot;. That&#39;s quite a burden to put on someone&#39;s conscience, especially in a formal role as a teacher of others. Is the case well-grounded?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The article is not short, at around 2,500 words. But the actual argument is very brief (or I might say, thin). Much of the article simply asserts the conclusions of the argument (that those using grape juice are doing something bad, that they don&#39;t understand what they&#39;re doing), or the conclusions of things that aren&#39;t actually argued at all. Let me explain what I mean by that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Since the gospel accounts only mention either &quot;the fruit of the vine&quot;, or &quot;the cup&quot;, and 1 Corinthians (the only other place with a direct mention) mentions &quot;the cup&quot;, the key thing I look for in someone making this argument is how they argue that by using the phrase &quot;the fruit of the vine&quot;, God has implicitly (or explicitly) instructed us to use only fermented products. This isn&#39;t quite the same as arguing that Jesus and his disciples did drink a fermented product at the inauguration of the Last Supper. Someone would be likely, of course, to begin by arguing that. Then they might want to explain what degree of fermentation it had, and how we know that the same degree is required for us, or is it just any degree at all, or must it be within 50%, or what? Must we drink from grapes known to be in the same genetic families as those found in that part of the world, or not? I don&#39;t mean this as a pedant&#39;s question: I mean it has someone wanting to understand how their reasoning works out, how it applies in practice. For example, since at the wedding feast at Cana in John 1, since it would appear that the manner of weddings then was to drink wine for several days, then those who say that wine in those days had a low alcohol content are likely to be correct (unless we are to conceive of Jesus producing another round of highly-intoxicating beverages long after the average guest was already far gone). i.e. nearer to 3% than the 12% usually served in communion wine (remember, my own position is that God hasn&#39;t told us that there&#39;s a particular degree of fermentation that we must imitate). So, just how close must the drink we use at communion be to that which Jesus drank? I take it that it is to be produced from red grapes, in order to represent shed blood. I find nothing that says to what degree it must be fermented, whether 0%, 3%, 12% or something else. Given that the author of the above article says nothing about degree other than just fermentation, I infer that he just requires more than zero fermentation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What, then, does the author have to say? He runs through his entire presentation of his argument that &quot;the fruit of the vine&quot; &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; be fermented, and cannot simply be any beverage from grapes, in a single sentence:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Moreover, Jesus refers to having drunk “the fruit of the vine” from the 
shared cup (Mark 14:25), and this is a biblical shorthand for wine (Num.
 18:12; Deut. 18:4; 28:30;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a&gt;Josh. 24:13&lt;/a&gt;; Zech. 8:12, ESV).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;2,500 words to make the case; and that was it. Really only 7 words: &quot;This is a biblical shorthand for wine&quot;, together with 5 verse references, which for unexplained reasons we&#39;re guided to look up in one specific Bible translation. So I did.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here they are (ESV). Do these verses show that &quot;fruit of the vine&quot; is a biblical shorthand for &quot;fermented wine&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Numbers 18:12 All the best of the oil and all the best of the wine and of the grain, the firstfruits of what they give to the Lord, I give to you.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Deuteronomy 18:4 The firstfruits of your grain, of your wine and of your oil, and the first fleece of your sheep, you shall give him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Deuteronomy 28:30 You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall ravish her. You shall build a house, but you shall not dwell in it. You shall plant a vineyard, but you shall not enjoy its fruit.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Joshua 24:13 I gave you a land on which you had not labored and cities that you had not built, and you dwell in them. You eat the fruit of vineyards and olive orchards that you did not plant.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Zechariah 8:12 For there shall be a sowing of peace. The vine shall give its fruit, and the ground shall give its produce, and the heavens shall give their dew. And I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Reading these verses, I am scratching my head. What is the argument? The author is trying to persuade us that &quot;the fruit of the vine&quot; specifically and necessarily refers to fermented wine, and cannot be used with reference to grape juice prior to fermentation beginning. The two expressions, &quot;fruit of the vine&quot;, and &quot;fermented wine&quot;, he is claiming, are synonyms. The &quot;fermentation&quot; element is part of the essential meaning, and cannot be removed. How that is in the above 5 verses, I could not work out. Obviously, nobody doubts that people made wine from vineyards. But in the reference in Joshua, it says &quot;&lt;b&gt;eat&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;the fruit of vineyards&quot;. This, presumably, means grapes. We drink wine, but we eat grapes. Grapes, at the stage that people eat them, are not fermented. In the verse in Zechariah, &quot;the vine shall give its fruit&quot;. I don&#39;t think that we can legitimately say that here Zechariah meant to specify specifically either eating grapes, or drinking any drinkable product that comes from grapes. In Deuteronomy 28:30, likewise, there is the &quot;enjoy(ing)&quot; of the &quot;fruit&quot; of the vineyard - presumably, again, in any form. Given, as I say, that I don&#39;t deny that Israelites drank fermented wine, I don&#39;t see how the other two verses help either.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The other part of the article which seems to be key is where the author asserts that (unfermented) grape juice only became possible through a 19th century innovation:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;grape juice in Communion&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.umc.org/en/content/communion-and-welchs-grape-juice&quot;&gt;was introduced&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;by the American temperance movement. It was made possible by&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bramwell_Welch&quot;&gt;Mr. Welch himself,&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;a
 teetotaling Methodist minister in the late 19th century who pioneered a
 way of preventing the process of fermentation in the sweet juice 
squeezed from grapes. This enabled believers who wished to abstain from 
drinking alcohol to do so every day of the week, Sunday mornings 
included.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The links (which are part of the article), explain this further. Thomas Welch applied pasteurisation to the wine, to overcome the &quot;problem&quot; that grape juice ordinarily stored at room temperature will begin to ferment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have a few points of reaction here:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul style=&quot;margin-left: 40px; text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;li&gt;It is implied that pasteurisation was an entirely novel invention, something too technologically advanced for people before the 19th century. However, since pasteurisation is essentially just heating a liquid to a sufficient temperature, and since humans heating liquids has been around as far as we know since the dawn of time, this is implausible. And so, at another source: &quot;Before Louis Pasteur&#39;s formal development of pasteurization, ancient civilizations used rudimentary forms of heat treatment. The Chinese, Egyptians, and Romans would heat wine to improve its shelf life, unknowingly laying the groundwork for modern pasteurization techniques.&quot; - &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sterlitech.com/blog/post/the-evolution-and-impact-of-pasteurization&quot;&gt;https://www.sterlitech.com/blog/post/the-evolution-and-impact-of-pasteurization&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Indeed, the one of the articles linked by the author notes that, before Thomas Welch &quot;One solution was to squeeze grapes during the week and serve the juice before it fermented&quot;. Squeeze the fruit, and you get fruit juice: it&#39;s not nuclear physics. The article goes on to note, speaking of the USA, that &quot;grapes were not readily available to every church&quot;. That wasn&#39;t a problem in first-century Israel at the time of the Passover, which brings us back to the question of how precisely and in which specific aspects the liquid in our communion must replicate theirs. Grapes were not available at all in many parts of the world until the global supply chains of recent decades, and indeed the article&#39;s author makes an exception for missionary situations.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Complete fermentation takes weeks, rather than days, at room temperature (i.e. to get to the point where the process completes, when 12% alchohol, as found generally in modern wines, kills off the yeasts, and so no further fermentation can take place). But even then, in Israel, they would have been familiar with colder caves, and the cooler temperatures accessed by digging into the ground. I suspect that the author of the article would reply &quot;ah, but if some fermentation has taken place, then it&#39;s no longer grape juice&quot;. An unexplained point throughout his argument seems to be that the key line is between zero fermentation, and some (more than zero). But why all the Biblical symbolism changes, and why you are considered in the eyes of God to have a completely different thing, when you go from 0.00% to 0.01% alcohol content, is not explained, simply assumed/asserted.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Towards the end, the writer asserts:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Biblically, grape juice signifies nothing—except perhaps its eventual 
transition into wine, as in the Nazirite vows of abstention found in 
Numbers 6:1-4.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This sort of thing is why I say that he has chosen to lay heavy burdens upon people&#39;s consciences. We are told by this phrase that the Bible positively tells us that &quot;grape juice signifies nothing&quot;. By implication, the Lord&#39;s Supper is not just slightly spoiled, but has its meaning removed. This time, we&#39;re not specifically told to consult the verses specifically in the ESV translation, but in case that was important, it&#39;s that translation I&#39;ve&amp;nbsp; quoted here:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When either a man or a woman makes a special vow, the vow of a Nazirite, to separate himself to the Lord, 3 he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried. 4 All the days of his separation he shall eat nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the skins.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In what way do these verses tell us something about &quot;the [eventual] transition of grape juice into wine&quot;, something that changes between zero and meaningful symbolism? We are not told. I do notice, though, that the author here has shown that he knows that his previous statements, about grape juice not being possible until the time of Thomas Welch, are too strong. Here in Numbers 6:3, there is a distinction between grape juice and wine, over a millennium before the Last Supper. As I&#39;ve said, after all, you get grape juice by crushing grapes - fermentation gets going after 1-3 days, and generally runs its course in 1-3 weeks. The assertion that grape juice was an unknown or impossible substance in the ancient world, is both &lt;i&gt;prima facie&lt;/i&gt; absurd, and shown to be false by one of the writer&#39;s own proof texts. Nothing in Numbers 6 supports the assertion that it has been quoted in favour of, that there is an unbridgeable gulf between fermented and unfermented grape juice, which completely changes (adds, or removes) all the Biblical symbolism that links either or both to shed blood.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In conclusion, I found this article very disappointing. The actual argument is barely made; most of the content circles around the actual questions in various ways. That &quot;grape juice&quot; and &quot;wine&quot; are two entirely different substances, with different symbolisms, and that the Bible makes clear that it&#39;s the latter and not the former which must always (or at least, normally) be used in communion, is asserted, but never shown. Bible verses are referenced, but when looked up, they do not appear to say what the author asserts about them, or even imply things that contradict him. His arguments appear to defy the Bible, common sense and what we do know historically. If we are meant to lay this burden upon all disciples in all churches everywhere, insisting that when the Holy Spirit said &quot;fruit of the vine&quot;, that this means &quot;with at least some minimal degree of fermentation having occurred&quot; (we&#39;re not sure how much), then it needs a better argument than this. In some places and times, I don&#39;t doubt, believers have been burdened with the false teaching that they must never allow a drop of alcohol to pass their lips. Deciding to instead today burden them with the teaching that they&#39;ve not participated in the Lord&#39;s Supper unless they do, is not an improvement.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Greek, and the New Testament in particular, had words for wine and alcoholic drinks; we find them in Matthew 9:17, 27:34, 27:48, Luke 1:15, 1 Timothy 3:3, 3:8 and 5:23, amongst others, for example. In the accounts of the Lord&#39;s Supper, a more generic term, &quot;fruit of the vine&quot;, is used. In Numbers (which of course is in Hebrew), the existence of non-alcoholic grape juice is recognised. So why must the same words in the New Testament be taken as requiring us to understand that we must use fermented wine? After reading this article, I am none the wiser.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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problem, their ambition a sin, and power is dangerous to wield. Instead,
 they are offered a feminized faith which prizes inaction and passivity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#39;ve been around a few decades now; I can&#39;t recall being told any of those things, even once. Is my memory faulty?&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It would, of course, be a fallacy to universalise my own experience.&amp;nbsp; The USA is, to me, another country. Am I just in the &quot;wrong&quot;&amp;nbsp; (or right!) circles? I could buy the book to find out what he&#39;s talking about....&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;... but given that those providing the blurbs for this book on Founders&#39; Ministry&#39;s own website includes people who use the Internet to promote Nazi memes, argue for racial segregation, promote use of the N-word,&amp;nbsp; proclaim the superiority of the &quot;Caucasian race&quot;, and defend others who praise Hitler and his policies,&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;I&#39;d rather not&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Footnote: for those who don&#39;t follow the British manner of understatement, and erroneously consider such phrases as &quot;I&#39;d rather not&quot; a mark of being a passive girly-man, let me clarify its proper interpretation for you. It means &quot;people doing this are enemies of Jesus Christ, to be marked and avoided&quot; - is that better?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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    &lt;p&gt;I don’t agree that slavery is condoned in the Bible. To regulate 
is not to condone. Jesus explained to the Pharisees that when God gave 
regulations concerning divorce, this did not mean that it was compatible
 with his original intention, but was because of the hardness of men’s 
hearts (without any regulations, men would carry out &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;divorces that would leave their abandoned wives without any protection or ability to be legitimately received into another home - they would be destitute). Thus, Jesus teaches us to examine God’s original intention.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But to answer your question about teaching believers to dismantle 
slavery, I believe that this is implicit in Paul’s teaching both about 
slaves in general, and in the one specific named case that he handles. 
He does not explicitly command the immediate release of all slaves, in 
line with the general wisdom of God, that the gospel is intended to 
bless people, not curse them: if all Christians were simply to put their
 slaves out into the street immediately, this would be a greater evil 
than remaining as slaves in many cases. Rather, Paul teaches both 
masters and slaves that they are equal in the sight of God; if 
Christians, they are brothers in Christ, who descended to the lowest 
place for us all and gave up his rights for us, whose example we should 
follow. A Pharisaical mind will say “but there’s no direct command, so, I
 don’t have anything I’m required to do!”, but Scriptural law is case 
law, and we are expected to apply it to specific cases that haven’t been
 explicitly touched upon using the case law that we do have as a 
guideline, as per Exodus 21-24, and the Sermon on the Mount. The 
inevitable, unavoidable tendency of Paul’s teaching is to force 
slave-owners to face up to the fact that owning a slave, instead of 
paying a servant, is a violation of God’s law to love one’s neighbour (who is a divine image-bearer, not a possession) as
 oneself, and to lead one to voluntarily make that change.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Notice in Philemon that Paul states his apostolic authority to 
command Philemon, and that Philemon has an eternal debt to Paul for 
receiving the gospel… and yet Paul does not wish to use this authority; 
he wishes Philemon to release his slave voluntarily. The Pharisaical 
mind, as I say, refuses to admit the validity of any law that is not 
spelled out for him in words of one syllable in the imperative mood. The Bible’s approach is 
different; love is to work through wisdom, with discernment of the 
circumstances, and actions should generally be free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is, of course, implicit in this that retaining a particular slave 
was not necessarily (the circumstances of the enslavement might differ) 
in the same category as adultery, which must always be stopped 
immediately, no mitigating factors. I don’t claim that Paul demanded 
immediate total manumission (which as I say, would have caused 
significant harm). If you’re taking another man’s wife then you must 
always stop, immediately. Having a slave who perhaps lacked skills, 
opportunity or other resources to exist outside his present condition 
(usually as a consequence of having been enslaved) instead placed upon 
the slave-owner a moral responsibility to invest his own resources in 
order to move, at a wise pace, the slave into the position where he did 
have the resources to survive as a free person. So, it’s more akin to 
having fathered an illegitimate child: repentance doesn’t look like 
saying “this child should not be, so I shall cast it out”, but rather 
“this child is, because of my actions, so I am now responsible for it, and for mitigating the evil consequences of my actions in this child&#39;s life as much as possible”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another, perhaps clearer, analogy would be with polygamy. Polygamists
 were forbidden to be church leaders, because church leaders are 
required to not only teach the truth that all Christians should live up 
to, but to be actually be implementing it in their lives visibly as an 
example for both believers and outsiders. Nevertheless, polygamists in 
the church were not (as some missionaries have unfortunately taught, 
causing significant suffering) required to send all wives after the 
first away, disclaiming all further responsibility. Polygamy is an evil,
 and Paul’s teaching on marriage inevitably means the end of polygamy 
for disciples of Christ, but Paul’s method was not to demand immediate 
revolutionary actions that would cause innocent people to suffer. We 
find it hard to get our heads around that because of the abundance of 
our times, and because many of us have multiple potential safety nets if
 our circumstances change. But in the days of the Bible, things were 
otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I hold that Paul’s teaching placed a definite responsibility on 
the church to work definitely and energetically towards the end of 
slavery. The fact that the church has in fact being doing this since 
that time, with many notable successes, is not a case of “mission 
overreach”, but of obedience to God’s revealed will. The fact that in 
19th century America professing Christians used their energy to oppose 
it and claimed that slavery in principle was legitimate and did not need
 to be dismantled, is a cause of shame. The analogy with polygamy is 
really a very good one here in my view. Apologists for polygamists 
really make the same arguments as slavery apologists (they observe its existence, and observe no command for its immediate abolition, and wrongly reason from that to divine approval), but neither can 
ever deal with the point that Jesus told us to look at God’s original 
intention for our race and to take that as the standard for all 
Christians living under the gospel.&lt;/p&gt;

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after a few years ask for a discharge like soldiers who have served
their time, but that we should pursue our warfare even to the end. ”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;John Calvin on Hebrews 10:32.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;style type=&quot;text/css&quot;&gt;p { margin-bottom: 0.21cm; background: transparent }a:link { color: #000080; text-decoration: underline }&lt;/style&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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victim-driven ideologies (CRT, Marxism, etc)&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;4) They are far more malleable than men&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;5) George Orwell was right: “It was always the women, and above all the 
young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the 
swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.”
 — 1984&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;6) They are made to be nurturers in the home, not public pugilists&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of things I could say about this, and the dynamics of people trying to use X to gain followers for themselves, and the sub-Christian and anti-Christian ways they go about this. But to avoid making this post excessively long, I&#39;m just going to comment on the above claims.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h4 style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;What&#39;s being discussed?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There are many reasons women shouldn’t be voting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Firstly, in context, it appears that &quot;voting&quot; means &quot;take part in democratic elections&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What kind of &quot;should not&quot; is being asserted? Is it an ethical obligation upon all women to not vote? i.e. Is female voting akin to adultery or child abuse, an act that is in its essential nature an offence before a holy God? The reasons given suggest that he&#39;s thinking more of &quot;should not&quot; in a more utilitarian sense of &quot;it leads to worse outcomes&quot;. The arguments, however, are mixed; some are more pragmatic but others less so; and possibly he&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;mean &quot;it&#39;s inherently morally wrong for a woman to cast a vote (and there are other negative consequences too)&quot;. When someone purporting to be a Christian teacher says that you &quot;should not&quot; do something, it ought to be made clear if we&#39;re talking about offering advice, or avoiding sin. Lack of clarity is pastorally unhelpful and ultimately irresponsible.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The reasons are rooted in their nature:&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Note that this is given as applying to&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;all&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;the reasons which are then given. Every one of them is claimed to be a claim not simply about typical or common behaviours found either predominantly amongst women, or amongst women more commonly than men, or the like. The claim is made that the given reasons are actually essential to the&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;nature&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;of womankind. Wherever you find a female, you will (we&#39;re told) find the following things.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The writer hasn&#39;t troubled himself to clarify if he means female nature as originally made, or fallen female nature after the fall. Insofar as he means created female nature as it came from the hand of God on the sixth day, if he is talking about already-existing moral defects, then this is Gnostic heresy: femininity was mis-created by a malevolent demiurge. Salvation would include having the faults of our creation rectified.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, if he means essential female nature but is not committing this error, he must mean something like &quot;it is not fitting or seemly, in general keeping with femininity, to vote&quot;. If that is what he means, then this clarifies the words &quot;should not&quot; as meaning being in a very weak sense: not sin, but not fully fitting. Again, this lack of clarity is pastorally irresponsible. We&#39;d again want to ask questions about what the &quot;should not&quot; here really means. &quot;Should&quot; women put out the rubbish bins (garbage cans, for our American friends!)? Should they change tyres on cars? Learn judo? &quot;Should&quot; men wear make-up, or have hair that goes below their shoulders, always (or not) follow the &quot;Billy Graham&quot; rule, or know how to knit clothes? What is the reasoning involved in affirming or denying any of these claims, exactly? If it does go beyond &quot;it seems unseemly to me&quot; (and I&#39;m not saying that all such judgments must be invalid or fatally subjective), then it needs explaining, not just asserting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If, on the other hand, we are talking about &quot;female nature&quot; after and affected by the fall, then how do the two very important theological considerations of common grace and of redemption affect the judgment being made? Are all women subject to all the worst ravages of 1) to 6) in their final extremity? Apparently not, because the reasons given are nuanced in terms of relative terms like &quot;more easily&quot;, &quot;more likely&quot; and &quot;the most&quot;, which is the language of tendency and distribution along a curve, rather than of inherent necessity. So, it seems that God&#39;s general restraint and blessing after the fall (common grace) and/or his special grace in regenerating through the Holy Spirit, can change the calculus, so that one woman may differ from another (!). But if that is so, then how is the conclusion that&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;no woman, ever&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;should vote derived from the reasons given?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We will come back to this question of what the writer believes about female nature towards the end. It will become clear that he sees female nature, in and of itself, as a problem. But first we need to do some &quot;spade work&quot; before we can show that this is the unavoidable conclusion.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;One last thing before we look at the reasons themselves - why is&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;voting&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;so important that it gets special consideration here? Given reason 6, it appears to be something to do with the public square, public society.&amp;nbsp; Voting, broadly speaking, is giving your view upon who should represent you in a parliament, or should represent you in leadership as the head of state. These two things aren&#39;t entirely the same thing; the former has more the flavour of representation through &quot;giving a voice to your concerns&quot;, and the second representation through &quot;being the embodiment of the nation, and setting its direction&quot;. Then there&#39;s also specific referenda, which could range from the weightiest national down to the most trivial local issues. I would guess that the writer thinks that women shouldn&#39;t have a say on&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;of these things; but why that is, isn&#39;t made clear any more than it is clear why&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;voting&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;is the particular part of participation in wider society that should be forbidden to women because of the given reasons.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, the reasons themselves....&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h3 style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;The claims&amp;nbsp;&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;1) They are more easily deceived.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The logic is apparently something like:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;a) There are two sexes.&lt;br /&gt;b) One sex is more easily deceived than the other.&lt;br /&gt;c) If you are a member of the more easily deceived sex, you should not be allowed to vote.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That is the logic, but in what way it is logical, I cannot begin to guess. Why should only one of the two sexes be allowed to vote - why is sex the dividing line here, and not something else? What is the relationship between our gendered existence, and whether we should be allowed to contribute to choosing who represents us? Given reason 2), it is likely to be something to do with leadership / headship and gender roles. Somehow, female voting is prohibited because it is an act of illegitimate leadership of men - but is it really, and how so?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whatever is meant, in any case, this reason in itself is no reason. &quot;The average woman is more easily deceived, therefore no women at all should vote&quot; makes no sense. The actual reasoning is not given. If woman A is not at all easily deceived, but woman B is easily deceived, then how does this establish that both woman A and woman B should be treated identically and &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; should be denied a vote? Is the claim that &quot;every single woman is always more easily deceived (and specifically more easily deceived when deciding who to vote for) than any given man?&quot; That claim is obviously completely false.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;How did the writer learn this, anyway? How do we know that women (all women, everywhere, ever) are more easily deceived into voting the &quot;wrong&quot; way than men (which men?) are? Is it the writer&#39;s personal belief, or has he got sociological research that establishes it? Or does he think the Bible somewhere says so?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would guess that the writer wants to appeal to 1 Timothy 2:14, which says &quot;And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.&quot; This is given in 1 Timothy as a reason why teaching of men and authority over men is not permitted to women in the church. I understand its meaning thus: redeemed sisters in Christ, by their submission to legitimate, godly male authority of church elders (that described in the next chapter) testify that they are not &quot;daughters of Eve&quot; in the sense of endorsing and copying her sin, but that they wish to live in their various roles (daughters, single women, wives, widows, etc.) as saved people, to please and honour God. (And yes, therefore it is a binding command for all churches in all times and places). The text, though, does not say &quot;all women are easily deceived&quot;, it says &quot;the woman (i.e. Eve) being deceived&quot;. Paul, throughout 1 Timothy, teaches that the church is the new creation, and is to be a light and example to the world of creation restored. But there is no suggestion that this testimony includes either the idea that &quot;all women are more gullible than all men&quot;, much less that &quot;therefore no woman should be able to vote for a representative in civil society&quot;. Such questions are nowhere on Paul&#39;s radar: he was not a Christian nationalist, and the politics of the present age were not interesting to him enough to rise to the level of ever being mentioned in any letter. And in 1 Timothy, he is addressing the subject of the organisation of the church, not interaction with civil society. It can, and I&#39;d argue should, be argued that what Paul says has implications outside of the church; but to establish what those implications might be needs careful and nuanced exegesis that take in the whole of Scripture, not grand sweeping statements that move straight from one action of Eve to all women, anywhere and everywhere.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If those who are too easily deceived shouldn&#39;t vote, then this will include vast numbers of both men and women in all parts of society, not simply &quot;all women&quot;. The history of parliaments and elections renders the idea that when only men voted, deceptions were avoided, ridiculous. To be sure, we all live in times of different deceptions today than the deceptions of our ancestors. But anyone who thinks that they weren&#39;t bathed in vast numbers of deceptions with ruinous consequences either for themselves or those that they acted upon, hasn&#39;t read history books.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The writer that I&#39;m responding to has himself been deceived into endorsing both ethno-nationalism and absurd fallacies about generic female nature, and presenting them to others as &quot;Christian&quot;. By his own logic, should he be allowed to vote?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;2) They are not made to operate outside of male headship.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If purely for the sake of argument we granted this, then how does it support the conclusion &quot;no woman should vote&quot;? Both men and women are not made to operate outside of Christ&#39;s headship; therefore neither men nor women should vote. We were originally made under Adam&#39;s headship; therefore as long as he was alive, supposing a democracy developed, only Adam should have been allowed to vote in it. How does any of this follow? We should submit to church leadership; therefore only church leaders should express opinions; there should never be any votes for any reason. Again, how does that follow?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The logic presumably resembles &quot;a woman should not operate anywhere outside of male headship; being asked for her preferred parliamentary candidate is operating outside of male headship; therefore she should not do it&quot;. This begs so many questions it&#39;s hard to know where to begin. What exactly is meant by &quot;operate&quot; here? What, particularly, about voting is an &quot;operation&quot; that is essentially a rejection of male headship, in a way that any other act that a woman performs is not? Any ideas? If it is being argued that voting is essentially some sort of exercise of authority over others, and over other men, then how is it so?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;How are widows meant to &quot;operate&quot;? Do church leaders take on the roles of surrogate fathers? Where is that taught? Are unmarried daughters whose fathers have died morally obliged to not &quot;operate&quot; in society, since they have no male headship - and in what ways?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This all sounds very like the deviant doctrine that was more prominent 2-ish decades ago in some circles, that a woman must seek a &quot;covering&quot; for every decision she makes from a suitable man, down to the smallest details (though, blanket &quot;coverings&quot; could be given for trivial decisions). This adds to the word of God and creates burdens upon souls that God has nowhere placed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Notice how radical the claim is - women are not &quot;made&quot; to operate outside of male headship. It is, again, against their nature - and this time apparently clearly against their creation itself, irrespective of the fall. A woman cannot express an opinion (at least at the ballot box) on who she wishes to represent her in a democracy, because this is somehow an overthrow of the order of creation. There are huge leaps being made here. In general, daughters are born into their parents home, and God tells them to honour their parents, and God gives the father a specific responsibility as head of the home. They should also honour the authority of church elders and civil rulers, in their spheres. But to get from there to forbidding everything that has no male &quot;covering&quot; requires careful and detailed exegesis and demonstration from Scripture, not just hand-waving.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;3) They are more likely to fall prey to weaponized empathy and victim-driven ideologies (CRT, Marxism, etc)&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is merely objection 1), only in a more specific form. 1) claims that (all) women are more easily deceived; 3) claims that (all) women are more easily deceived by particularly by the name ideologies. (No documentation/research for this claim is offered).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This claim really is laughable. Karl Marx was Karl Marx, not Karolina Marx. And all the men who developed and put his ideology into practice were men, though of course there were other women working in the same field. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Hoxha, Pol Pot, Mao Zedung, etc. - these were men, and the vast majority of their collaborators were men. They originated, adapted, proclaimed, spread and enforced these doctrines across gigantic territories, as the driving forces. So, even if it were to be conceded (which it is not) that women are&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;likely to fall prey to these ideologies, you&#39;re still left with the inconvenient fact that men are still&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;sufficiently&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;prey to these ideologies that they can rule most of the map without needing women&#39;s help. In which case - what would the prohibition of the vote to women be expected to achieve? Women can&#39;t vote for these poisonous ideologies, which already succeeded without their votes anyway (inasmuch as anyone was being asked to vote for them in the first place)?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why only left-wing ideologies? I remind you that the man promoting these ideas is a Christian Nationalist, an anti-semite and ethno-nationalist, who is widely and rightly &quot;marked and avoided&quot; because he consistently without apology re-tweets people are unashamed to say the quiet part out loud by endorsing Nazism and praising Hitler. Were women as well as men not complicit in the sins of 20th century fascism in the same way as 21st century gender ideology? Is there some quantitative difference between their level of involvement? What is the evidence for this claim? All the leading Nazis, including all those tried at Nuremberg, were men. If the involvement of more women in public life automatically means more empathy, then would that not have been welcome in 1930s Germany to prevent the catastrophe that ensued? Or are women now only capable of false empathy, and not of true? What sort of theology is underlying all this? Whatever it is, plainly, it is not necessary to give females votes in order for God-hating ideologies to cause world-wide ruin.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h4 style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;Weaponized empathy?&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;Weaponized empathy&quot;, in Christian Nationalist circles, is increasingly presented as a claim that the sins of our present societies are essentially &quot;too much public femininity&quot;. The idea is that females are more empathetic, and that because they&#39;re also (allegedly) more gullible, they&#39;re more prone to false, sinful perversions of empathy, and thus the more females you have in the &quot;public space&quot;, the more you are inevitably going to have ruinous female-specific sins dominating in your society. The solution, therefore, is to push them back out of the public space. As I say, this claim is laughable and historically nonsensical; there is not the slightest argument that can be attempted that Marxism and Nazism are somehow respectively &quot;female&quot; and &quot;male&quot; sins, nor that the latter would somehow be preferable, or is nearer to the teachings of Christ, to the former. Similarly, Critical Race Theory has been promoted and developed widely by both men and women with equal enthusiasm. To be sure, left-wing group-identity racism and right-wing ethno-identity racism aren&#39;t the same doctrines, but they&#39;re both evil, both insults to the divine image. And for a Christian, there&#39;s no scope then to classify one as acceptable because it&#39;s supposedly masculine, whereas the other is unacceptable because it&#39;s allegedly feminine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to the Bible, virtues of gentleness, sympathy, caring for the helpless and needy, nurturing and helping the weak, are not specifically male or female-coded virtues. They are fruits of the Holy Spirit in and for all those who are converted, to be aimed for in ever greater extent in all, and all were found in their fullness and perfection in Christ, the perfect man (and perfect human). There are no uniquely &quot;female&quot; or &quot;male&quot; sins in this area. If it is argued that females might be more vulnerable to missing a particular virtue on one side, and males on the other side, this cannot be an argument for excluding one group from the public square more than for the other. Again, ethno-nationalism and critical race theory are both evil. The choice &quot;shall we prefer our public sins to be of one sort, or the other sort?&quot; is a false choice. The suggestion that &quot;we must exclude females from public life because our public sins need to be &#39;male-coded&#39; instead of &#39;female-coded&#39;: we must &#39;sin in the right direction&#39;&quot;, is too ridiculous to take seriously. It suggests that something else is going on at a deeper level which is the real reason.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;4) They are far more malleable than men&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This claim is made lazily, being essentially identical to 1), that women are &quot;more easily deceived&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Being &quot;malleable&quot; in itself could be a good or bad thing. It&#39;s a pity that Stalin wasn&#39;t more malleable, and that someone could have persuaded him to starve so many of his own people with his inflexible centralised plans. If (all?) women are more malleable than (all?) men, then this would seem to be an argument &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;female involvement in public life, since it would seem that men are (on the author&#39;s warped simplicities) missing something important unless women are present.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;5) George Orwell was right: “It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.” — 1984&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Again, how this differs from 1) or 4) is not clear. Women are more gullible... more easily deceived... most likely to swallow slogans and conform. But if women are, by their very nature, followers, then just whom have they been following? If we have got into the mess of Marxism and CRT, then &lt;i&gt;who&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;led&lt;/i&gt; women there? It can&#39;t both be the case that&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;women&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;led us there, and also that&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;women are by nature followers who just do what men tell them&lt;/i&gt;. These claims are self-contradictory. Which is it?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In society today, we have men who argue for Marxism, and men who argue against it. We have men who argue for CRT, and men who argue against CRT. If women are by nature&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;followers&lt;/i&gt;, as is being argued, then why does that mean they necessarily follow lies instead of truth? (Whereas men do what, exactly? They follow truth instead of lies? Or they create lies instead of creating truth?). Or is it because women are uniquely susceptible to left-wing ruinous ideologies, because of alleged their innate (universal?) tendency to &lt;i&gt;weaponized&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;empathy&lt;/i&gt;, that there is a problem? Since men&#39;s empathy can&#39;t be so easily warped, therefore only men should vote because they can and do resist the lies that spoil nations? Again, all human history proclaims that this idea is a fable.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is generally observed, and I agree, that young women are especially sensitive to non-conformity within their circles, more than men in general&amp;nbsp;and on average tend to be. And because young women are desirable to men, there is a tendency for men to seek to please them, which some might think it&#39;s best to do by agreeing with them. But that is in no way a necessary male response; indeed, it would be a weak one, contrary to stereotypical masculine virtues. Is the writer confessing that actually, he and the men with him are so weak that once (young) women are allowed to express opinions, then they won&#39;t be able to resist going along with them? Where, exactly, is Christian virtue in any of this? Are we all just automatons, pushed around by uncontrollable sexual dynamics which can only be brought back into line by shutting up women in their homes where they can&#39;t by their irresistible charms influence such pathetically weak men in the wrong ideological directions?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Going along those lines (and when you read his other outputs), to try to understand the essence of his logic, it becomes clear that the writer does have a woman problem. There&#39;s a battle raging within him. Whether he wants to be or likes to be one, he has landed as a misogynist. He&#39;s struggling to co-exist with women, and the solution to his internal struggle is to suppress their existence, so that he&#39;s not exposed to them and their wiles. So he insults and belittles them as an entire class, to banish the entire class. They are biased towards evil, and if they&#39;re allowed into wider society too much, then they will corrupt men who want to please them and are unable to resist doing so. They must be kept away from him, because he has a problem with them as a class. The mask is difficult to keep on, and the only way to get a logical, coherent picture out of these points is to point this unpleasant reality of his thinking out. Women, for this writer, have a natural and stronger tendency towards evil which can&#39;t be mitigated, and which inevitably corrupts men (who are incapable of resisting), and therefore they must be suppressed. This is the only reading which logically harmonises all of his beliefs, unpleasant as it is.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;6) They are made to be nurturers in the home, not public pugilists&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don&#39;t know if you&#39;re tired, but I&#39;m tired. Once more, a lazy appeal to women&#39;s alleged nature is made, which is supposed somehow to read straight across without any explanation to the act of voting. It is mostly not even an argument, but just a statement of his conclusion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What is the connection between voting for your representative, and being a public pugilist? We&#39;re not told. Supposing that you are a nurturer in the home, why does this mean that the state must not ask you for your say on who represents you? Why do we have to choose between one or the other - why the dichotomy? So many assertions, so few reasons.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is a woman who is not a &quot;nurturer in the home&quot; failing to achieve her created purpose? Are all women who don&#39;t marry, despite what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7 about the &lt;i&gt;superiority&lt;/i&gt; of serving Christ whilst unmarried, failures&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;as women&lt;/i&gt;? Once a woman becomes a widow, or if she has no children, is she a failed (or simply redundant) woman? Does she need to be redeemed from her failure to nurture in the home, her having come short of her very purpose for existing? What horrible doctrine is this?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h4 style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;Conclusions: the root of this is heresy&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;p&gt;Men and women as classes are created with complementary, but non-identical purposes. This is a clear teaching of Scripture, and is evident to any careful observer of the human race. However, to try to build a doctrine with parts such as &quot;no woman ever should vote&quot; or &quot;without being a domestic nurturer, you are necessarily less of a woman&quot; upon that foundation is to add new, soul-crushing chapters to God&#39;s word. Moreover, the fact that the only way to do this is to make gross, sweeping generalisations, turning unexplained tendencies into universal rules, and by saying things that betray a general uncomfortableness with the existence of women as a class (they are more prone to evil, and their evil influence cannot be resisted except by shutting them away, because this all-pervasive defect cannot be remedied in this life): this has nothing to do with the Christian faith. It sounds like some other religions I&#39;ve read about in many times and places, ahem, but not Christianity. It is not what Jesus Christ or his apostles anywhere taught. The doctrine that women are, in their very nature as women, inferior creations to man whose nature corrupts men (who unfortunately cannot resist their spells), is not God&#39;s word; it is heresy. The Bible does not teach, but denies, that women are &lt;i&gt;by their very nature as women&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;more bigoted, more gullible, and more prone to perverting kindness into oppression, and that they must be generally suppressed in order to protect men from their irreparably malevolent influence. It is not taught in Genesis, in the gospels, the epistles, or anywhere else in Scripture.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We should be clear about this. &quot;Christian Nationalists&quot; who teach such doctrines about women steal the name of Christ to spread poisonous errors. Unpleasant as it is, we must refute them. We must not allow those who don&#39;t know Christ to believe that this is what Christianity and the gospel say about femininity. They do not.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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down the strict confines of orthodoxy and it&#39;d be great if they 
demonstrated more energy in condescending to help suffering people in 
their very messy, practical situations, it might well be because, ever 
since evangelicals made it a priority to clarify that they do not 
believe &quot;the social gospel&quot;, we don&#39;t seem to have made it the same 
priority to so clearly, and conspicuously, make it clear that our lives 
are handed over to showing love to people in need. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that concern for the poor is much more prominent in the Bible (both Testaments) than it is in contemporary Western evangelicalism; and that conversely, love of endless debate that leads to no action is beloved in Western evangelicalism but is soundly condemned in the Scriptures. So, to see someone with a fairly wide reach talking about this, and making similar points, greatly encouraged me. Trevin Wax doesn&#39;t just show us what the New Testament says; he&#39;s also not afraid to point out that, in general,&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;we&#39;re not doing it as those who went before us either in the Bible or afterwards did, and therefore we must change&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Church leader, are you the sort of person whose Christianity means what the apostle Paul&#39;s did? When he met the Jerusalem apostles, he said: &quot;They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do&quot; (Galatians 2:10). There were, at their meeting, only two things that we were told were discussed by the apostles. They established firstly that they were all preaching the same gospel; and they established secondly that they all understood and were zealous for the inevitable implication of the gospel, of serving the poor. This doesn&#39;t just mean writing periodic cheques out of our excess, out of the money that we&#39;d just otherwise leave behind to be dealt with in a will when we&#39;ve departed from this world and couldn&#39;t do anything with it anyway. Rather, it is this. “So you say you love the poor?&quot;, Gustavo Gutierrez famously asked, and continued: &quot;Then tell me, what are their names?” May God help us to meet this faithful challenge.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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It is the church which is called to be the light of the world (Matthew 5:14) - a light to shine before men, and point the way to them. If the world is in a mess then, well, of course it is. It is in darkness. But when the lamp that should be shining out light also has darkness in it, then this is much more tragic. Why does God allow it? Why no divine thunderbolts?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The letters of Revelation 2-3 tell us that Christ does walk amidst the churches, and does judge them. It is a fearsome judgment. The lampstand may be taken away. One question we are left to wrestle with is: how do we know when that has happened?&amp;nbsp; If the church of Ephesus in Revelation 2 had had its lampstand removed, what would be the signs of this? It was orthodox, fought against wrong beliefs, and laboured with patience, and could not tolerate evil. When its lampstand was removed, would it still be, on the outside, apparently orthodox and hard-working, but just with no real spiritual fruit and operations of the Holy Spirit? Or does Christ&#39;s withdrawal of his presence mean a withholding of the grace that would stop it sliding into error and into apathy about the human need around it, so that error and evil would be seen? Presumably his withdrawal would in some manner become more and more obvious, requiring less and less discernment to see it, over time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;One thing that Scripture does teach us is that God&#39;s patience is different, far greater, than ours. It is not infinite, but he is very generous in giving people time to repent (Romans 2:1-4, 2 Peter 3:-9). This creates its own danger for those who aren&#39;t listening to him, because they (as suggested by Paul in Romans 2) take the lack of divine thunderbolts as confirmation that they&#39;re doing just fine, and have no need to change course.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As an example of this in the Bible: the Jerusalem temple and nation were not destroyed by God&#39;s judgment until 40 years after Christ was crucified. That gave a whole generation time to reflect, to consider, to see the clear evidence of God&#39;s Spirit and fulfilled prophecy in the Christian church, to recognise that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ raised from the dead, and to receive his offer of forgiveness and life. Or, it gave 40 years to convince oneself that the pesky Nazarene trouble-maker had been happily got rid of, and wasn&#39;t going to be seen again - and if only now we could squelch out his mad followers, we can then go back to business as usual.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that the time of God&#39;s patience gives time to reveal the righteousness and wisdom of his justice. When given a long time to reconsider and repent, people lose the excuse of saying &quot;I didn&#39;t have time to reflect; nobody warned me; more years would have allowed me to grow wiser, think, and change; it was a simple mistake, an oversight of the sort any mortal makes, that I&#39;d have happily have rectified&quot;. In God&#39;s grace, with the passing of time, with prayer, with the Holy Spirit, God&#39;s people do reflect and repent. But where people don&#39;t want to, they&#39;re instead giving a full and complete demonstration that they did nothing except what was in their hearts, what they wanted to do. And when God eventually says &quot;enough&quot;, nobody can doubt that it was so. The seasons come, the seasons go; warnings are spoken, warnings are ignored, but there&#39;s no change - and why not? Because the problem was not something technical, something complicated, something subtle: the problem all along was sin which continually demanded judgment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are, then, comparatively few divine thunderbolts in this life because of God&#39;s glorious mercy, and because of God&#39;s righteous judgment. When you see sin that continues, the situation will not continue indefinitely; it&#39;s heading towards one of those two.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshipped Him, 
saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her 
and she will live.” &lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;text Matt-9-19&quot; id=&quot;en-NKJV-23399&quot;&gt;&lt;sup class=&quot;versenum&quot;&gt;19&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;So Jesus arose and followed him, and so &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; His disciples.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;text Matt-9-19&quot; id=&quot;en-NKJV-23399&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;text Matt-9-19&quot; id=&quot;en-NKJV-23399&quot;&gt;This sort of thing is, in the gospels, so natural and so frequent, that we easily miss it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;text Matt-9-19&quot; id=&quot;en-NKJV-23399&quot;&gt;In the modern world we have time for programs and schedules; for projects, for jobs, for careers, for our homes, for entertainment. We have time for ourselves and the things we want to achieve, and our days are divided up even perhaps into 5-minute segments, to make sure we can achieve these things.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;text Matt-9-19&quot; id=&quot;en-NKJV-23399&quot;&gt;Jesus, though, had time for&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;people&lt;/i&gt;. He is dealing with the questions of one group (in this case, John&#39;s disciples); and then another person comes, and asks for his aid. So, therefore, hence, he arose and followed him. Someone came and interrupted, urgently seeking Jesus; Jesus embraced this new development in the plan of the day, and embraced the new person and new opportunity to serve in front of him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;text Matt-9-19&quot; id=&quot;en-NKJV-23399&quot;&gt;As modern Westerners we tend to put programmes, action plans and schedules first, and people as individuals often sit a level behind in the structure of our thinking. What would our lives look like if people were first and primary, always, and the rest merely flexible means towards the end of giving ourselves to the image-bearers that God has placed around us? Certainly, Jesus had a programme. But it was all driven by his love for people, and the God who made them. Needy people could never get in the way of his programme, because people were his programme.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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You take part in a meeting. You sit, you watch, you observe. You try to understand what&#39;s going on. You try to understand what&#39;s&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;going on. What does the way this meeting is organised mean? Why is&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;being done, and what is the significance of&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;? Everything seems to flow naturally, as something entirely normal and well-understood by everyone present (except you). You, unfortunately, don&#39;t get it. Don&#39;t worry: you can try again the next time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The next time comes, and goes. And the next, and the next; and so on. Unfortunately (for you), though there are some things that you can now explain the inner, local logic of, yet much else passes you by completely and entirely. It&#39;s weird. Years pass: it&#39;s still weird, really weird. How to relate it to the intended, announced, purported purpose of the meeting? What does it have to do with Christianity? How in any way is it tied to the person, the teachings and the saving work of Jesus Christ, and the Commission that he gave us? Sorry, I don&#39;t know. I&#39;ve tried, but as yet, I&#39;m not sure anyone else really knows either. And yet.... it still makes perfect, effortless sense to the bulk of the people present, such that if you asked them to explain it, well, they couldn&#39;t either. Because it just is: this is how things are done, and everybody just&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;knows&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;that. We&#39;ve&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;done it this way.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I am referring to, of course, is that deep, so very deep, thing called&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;culture&lt;/i&gt;. Where it all comes from and how it all hangs together is so clear to a cultural native, that not only is it not explained, that some of the time it just can&#39;t be explained. If you need it explaining to you, then you&#39;ll never get it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sometimes, on the other hand (not terribly often!), one of those wonderful moments occurs, when someone says.... &quot;I&#39;ve been thinking about this, and why do we do it? Is it really in keeping with our purpose and mission, and doesn&#39;t it in fact suggest something different to what Jesus taught us, doesn&#39;t it clash with it? Shouldn&#39;t we change this?&quot;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When that does happen, it&#39;s hard to suppress the urge to jump out of the chair, yell &quot;Yes, yes, yes!&quot;, burst into tears, and go and hug the person who said it, and do a few laps of the room in order to work off the adrenaline rush that came from someone saying what you&#39;d been thinking for so long.... but you&#39;d better not do quite this, for it would, in almost any culture, be profoundly weird.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now, if you live in another culture for enough time, something else begins to happen. Eventually, we hope at least, some of your blinkers begin to come off. It becomes apparent that being weird isn&#39;t the exclusive preserve of one or two cultures, much less just the one you happen to be a stranger in. It turns out that in fact your own culture, and your own sub-cultures, are also profoundly weird. There are things that apparently make perfect sense to the people working and acting in them which, if they were gifted with being able to step outside of that for a moment, they&#39;d realise (inside about 10 seconds) are so strange that we can barely begin to describe them. Whether you&#39;re British, American, African, Asian; whether you&#39;re Baptist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Anglican, etcetera, well, frankly, your culture and sub-culture are very likely quite weird, inexplicably odd, with things more or less prominent that just have no real connection to your advertised and professed identity and purpose.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The moral here isn&#39;t &quot;and that&#39;s OK, let&#39;s all be weird in our own ways and accept it and even delight in it&quot;. There is no doubt time and place for a good dose of that. God did create, and does love variety, and it&#39;s good for us to broaden our narrow, constricted, darkened little minds not just a bit. And whilst in the church of Jesus Christ this variety should be embraced and celebrated, that doesn&#39;t mean that there aren&#39;t still parts that are not &quot;good weird&quot;, but &quot;bad weird&quot;. i.e. They are signs that there is something profoundly wrong. Somewhere, at quite an early stage, far back, someone set their compass wrong, and started wandering off the path, and now we&#39;re so far lost we don&#39;t even realise it. Things are happening that just should not happen, anywhere, at all, whoever we are. It&#39;s not just that we lack understanding (which of course, in any particular case we have to allow for, and must be patient as we labour to understand).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This post isn&#39;t about any particular person, people, groups or activities. There is no coded message about some specific situation. I am musing on just how common the cognitive disconnect is, once you have been following Jesus a while. So much of the way of the world around us, and of the way of us disciples who still have so much to learn, just makes no real sense given what we profess to believe, that the experience just comes more and more.&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;It&#39;s as if, in this world, we&#39;re strangers - we don&#39;t really belong here; we&#39;re exiles and there&#39;s some other place that is home and where we fit in and where it&#39;ll all be worked out. It&#39;s as if we have to live as if this book, which makes more and more sense to me as I study it more, is the real world, and as if the creation I&#39;m actually living in had some major event that caused things to go off-track, quite early.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Having made that explanation, though, here&#39;s one from the world of self-described evangelicalism, apparently on the more conservative end, from the few figures in it that I do recognise. I&#39;ve not heard of this conference and I don&#39;t know much about the writer of this piece, but he&#39;s on to something: &lt;a href=&quot;https://posttruthpost.com/p/the-great-evangelical-schism-prologue&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&quot;The Great Evangelical Schism: Prologue&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. Look at that poster and read the descriptions. It&#39;s not so much that there&#39;s something obviously&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;wrong,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;direct-and-up-front, or that they&#39;re trying to be weird. Nowhere does it say they&#39;re going to torture babies, or have a fancy dress party in which they all decide to impersonate goats, or to hold an evangelistic rally in which they&#39;re only allowed to use the word &quot;Wibbly&quot;. It&#39;s more subtle than that. Somewhere, the wider movement that this is part of took some wrong turns many stages ago, which actually makes this conference look entirely natural. But if, alternatively, you were to read, say, the 1689 London Baptist Confession, or the Westminster Confession of Faith through a few times, and then read the missionary biographies of Hudson Taylor and John Paton (or their like), and then got transported into this conference, you&#39;d surely realise that some very major changes had happened into the intervening years, that were more than simply questions of style and cultural adiaphora. It&#39;s not that I particularly know that any of those people purvey heresy. But it&#39;s just.... very weird. How did we get from there to here? What have these two reference points got to do with each-other? It&#39;s not a sign of health, whatever it is.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In general, trying to encourage people to be bold for Jesus is a good thing, a good use of our time and efforts. Far better than just consuming content from screens. And my purpose here is, as I say, not particularly to criticise the above conference. The poster/conference are the symptoms of something behind that is widespread, and are not the disease itself. &lt;a href=&quot;https://posttruthpost.com/p/the-great-evangelical-schism-prologue&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;As the article above says&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;The “Be Bold for Jesus” conference is a touch-point into this mode of religion, where, among other factors, theology and doctrine take a quantifiable back seat to &lt;i&gt;culture&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;&amp;nbsp; Culture is weird. But when evangelical culture/sub-culture has become weird in the wrong ways, we need to work out why that is, and how to retrieve the things that make sense. We&#39;re meant to be in a place where people can look in their Bibles, and people can learn about Jesus there, and then look at us, and say &quot;I see what it means, it&#39;s talking about being the sort of people that you are, because you&#39;re following him&quot;. If they instead say &quot;sorry, not interested, you&#39;re way too weird&quot;, and they&#39;re not talking about our life of self-giving for Jesus but about something else that is part of our sub-culture, then, we need to ask God&#39;s help to see ourselves more clearly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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(Or when we&#39;re talking about products being sold, between what a thing is, and what it is being marketed as). The name &quot;artificial intelligence&quot; invokes all sorts of ideas out of science fiction: machines that perform actual thinking. Nothing of the kind is actually going on here, though. Today&#39;s text-based &quot;AI&quot; (e.g. if you talk to ChatGPT) is based around &quot;Large Language Models&quot;, LLMs, which are essentially performing super-charged statistical text-prediction. That is to say, based upon the (enormous) sets of data that they were trained with, at heart, and given your starting text (and given the text from their makers given to prime them, known as their &quot;prompts&quot;) as their inputs, they output what would be a reasonable following sequence of text. With the size of their training data, and the massive amount of computation that goes on to work out what could reasonably come next, the results may&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;resemble&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;the output of an intelligent being, but machine itself is doing zero actual thinking. All the intelligence, if we hope that there was some, was in the human-produced training data (and in the programming to access the appropriate parts of that training data to produce an output, and then the human calibration to deal with the consequences of the unhelpful material in the training data). What comes out is based only upon what goes in. This is unlike human intelligence, where people can ultimately output far beyond what was put in, because they are souls, made in the image of God.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So much, then for the marketing. But, leaving aside the current implementation, what about the idea in general?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h3 style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;Intelligence and wisdom&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;p&gt;If we think about what the Bible has to say in this area, then we quickly come across an obvious and fundamental fact. The Bible teaches us about the concept of&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;wisdom&lt;/i&gt;, which is distinguished from our idea of intelligence. Wisdom is not being very clever, and talking or writing about ideas that are very advanced, in the sense of capacity for technical problem-solving. Wisdom is &lt;i&gt;skill for living rightly&lt;/i&gt;, based upon perception and discernment of the underlying realities. And this perception or understanding is based upon understanding the order in which we live. This is in terms of being created beings, recognising our Creator (the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom), understanding that we live in a fallen world, and being able to apply the consequent spiritual principles to the particular situations we find ourselves in, remembering that all our works will be submitted to his judgment and are subject to his providences.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That is to say: as we look at the world around us an analyse some particular situation (the &quot;input data&quot;, if you like), then we then learn to evaluate it in terms of the principles of God, our relationship to him, the world he has made and how he intends it to run, and recognise that honouring him and his purposes is the important thing to do. We learn to recognise how, in a particular situation, the principles of wisdom apply. We perceive the workings of sin, of the corrupted desires of the flesh, seeking for worldly gain and immediate advancement contrary to the Creator&#39;s principles. We discern the long-term outcomes of different policies and ways of life. We evaluate the different kinds of &quot;gains&quot; at different levels: the differences between trivial but necessary achievements, false achievements and ones of real value; we sort out between such things as the need to eat, drink, look after the state of our &quot;flocks and herds&quot;, repair and upkeep, the need to develop character and godly habits, long-term sowing and reaping of what we sowed, how an action will look when we look back perhaps from old age, or on the day of judgment; investing for earth and for heaven, what is of real value and what really impresses men who are walking in the flesh, what is real friendship and what is just empty pretence or froth, and so on, and on, and on. We then decide how to respond and react, whilst remembering that all is still subject to the higher will of our God, to whom we entrust ourselves whether the immediate, flesh-and-blood-level consequences are palatable or not.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Like an LLM&#39;s training set in the current text-prediction technology, true wisdom also requires training via considerable experience. It is not something we can have without passing through much, considering much, praying much, being amongst the people of God much, studying the word much, and exercising patience.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, wisdom has some analogies with &quot;Artificial Intelligence&quot;, but it is also fundamentally different, and they are ultimately not the same thing at all. It involves understanding. Wisdom is not simply technical problem-solving, but is discernment. It requires looking at a situation from different perspectives, and remembering which are the important perspectives. It looks beyond immediate appearance, and interprets in the light of God&#39;s revealed realities in his Word.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h3 style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;Consequences and conclusions&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;p&gt;This being so, &quot;Artificial Intelligence&quot; as the &quot;tech community&quot; is looking at it today is actually of quite limited use. Even supposing that the (considerable) challenges of producing useful products at affordable prices in order to help us to achieve our tasks more efficiently is achieved, these products will still be, like other things, ultimately just tools for human use. Whether the uses that humans put them to will themselves be&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;wise&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;or foolish &lt;/i&gt;is another question entirely - one which you will never be able to discern simply by predicting sequential text based upon past training data. &quot;AI&quot; can produce plausible patterns based upon what human beings have written, in the training data. But whether these patterns reflect wisdom that enables us to live rightly in this creation or not: that is a separate question.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The (marketing) talk now from tech circles is of when &quot;AI&quot; will achieve &quot;super-intelligence&quot;, surpassing man&#39;s abilities. But again, we must remember to go past the marketing: what this really means is just technical problem-solving abilities, resulting in more efficient technological progress. Whether men will be wise or foolish, whether they will be more efficient in doing good or evil, whether they will use their tools to glorify God and serve the poor and needy or whether to build self-centred empires: that is something else. And as ever, the answer is likely to be: some of both. The tares and the wheat will both grow in the field, each revealing more clearly their respective natures, until the harvest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, by all means use AI where it can do good, promoting the beautiful and the true. To know where that is, as with every other tool, you&#39;ll first need to learn wisdom, and you&#39;ll need to regulate your use of the tool at all steps with that wisdom. A chainsaw is a tool for good, if used wisely. If used otherwise... oh dear.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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One supposedly Reformed evangelical publisher emailed out advertisements for a book on Christopher Columbus, breathlessly explaining that &quot;we had been lied to&quot; because we didn&#39;t know that Columbus&#39; ultimate motive was to finance a new Crusade to free the &quot;Holy Land&quot; from &quot;the Moslem hordes&quot;..... and this was being presented, without any hint of irony or embarrassment, as a&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;thing. Many voices declare that the time has come to put aside our differences, and not merely co-operate with sufficiently like-minded people to achieve limited societal aims (such as combating abortion or the promotion of sexual depravity), but to together build a &quot;Christian society&quot; together with those who preach what our confessions of faith say are false gospels which corrupt the fundamentals of Christian faith.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;All this is to say: there are a lot of siren voices telling us that, in effect, the gospel is optional. It can be your own private belief: good for you. But outside the privacy of your own thoughts, the Christian faith must be reduced to only the profession that there is one God in three persons, and that salvation has something to do with your preferred version of Jesus. The minimal &quot;Christianity&quot; in this new ecumenism will include the being of God and the fact that the gospel saves, but as to what the gospel is, that is something you can choose for yourself. In the public sphere, Christianity is to be a large tent which includes both saving biblical truth and its denial.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is never explained why this should be. If we can edit the gospel, then why not the Trinity too? If it does not matter whether salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, or whether it is progressively mediated through the sacerdotal ministry of a official priesthood of the church, then why does it matter if someone is a Binitarian instead of a Trinitarian? That is to say: if the boundaries of what is &quot;Christian&quot; are being extended to include &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; heresy, then why not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; heresy? Why does the meaning of Christianity change when moving in between the church sanctuary and the public square?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In effect, the idea seems to be that as long as we have official, outward Christianity, then it doesn&#39;t actually matter if we have genuine spiritual life or not. Which is again to say: the gospel is optional.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But the gospel is not optional: it is everything. We may well co-operate with people who are not Christians on various projects in this world, because we are members of this present age as well as the age to come. But to re-define what is meant by &quot;Christian&quot; in order to accomplish this, is not something the Master has given us freedom to do, and nor should we want to. The gospel is not negotiable, for whatever purpose. Our duty is to pass it on faithfully. If some political purpose requires us to soft-pedal essentials of the gospel or to treat them as optional, then we must sacrifice that political purpose. This is not a choice: this is what being a genuine follower of Jesus who told us to take up the cross implies.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;--
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