Comments for Niels Hoven http://www.nielshoven.com they always said I was different... Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:01:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 Comment on My LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) experience: Millionaire Mind Intensive by J http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/comment-page-1/#comment-9934 J Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:33:52 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/#comment-9934 HAHA!!! Ohh man, these types of trainings and others like it are such HUGE scams. I had the luxury of attending a similiar 3-day event, it being a luxury cause i didn't pay for it. All I have to say is "WOW", and not world of Warcraft. So the "Facilitator" within the first 30 min of being their pulls alot of the same techniques discussed. At the end of the first day your inhibitions are totally discredited, the second day concludes with your mind defenses being totally bypassed, by your own doing, and the last day concludes with you doing some more crazy new age mental make believe exercises that leave you feeling the fake "euphoria" that was intended all along. The constant emotional ups and downs almost became like clock work. This group follows the training up with a "graduation", more like parading a bunch of zombies on stage who drank the cool-aid in front of their spouses, family members, and friends. This used as a marketing and recruiting tool to get you, the cool-aid drinker, to solicit how great your training was and how bad everyone else needs it. Of course it doesn't stop there, like a drug-pusher denying you your fix, they have you come back 3 days later for your "post-training", which consisted of another emotional high and to convince you sign up for part 2 of your training! Yeah!!!! Of course their's was no $30,000, only $700, but still, if you did sign up you are already in $1000!!! Then of course part 3 is $700 and then they offer couples classes and other non-sense. My uncle got crazy into this NEW AGE GARBAGE, and i say that with confidence because that is what it is and how i came to learn about LGAT's like Landmark Education Corp and my local new age pushers "The Great Life Foundation" Ehhhh.......All nonsense. If you fill a room with people and put a so called "successful" person on stage who can convince the crowd to lower their mind defenses so you can dangle riches and happiness at the end of the stick only to tell them some common sense gibberish and exploit them is completely SCARY and frankly should be against the law. It is brainwashing (Taking away somebody's ability to be critical) and groups like this don't even tell you that they are doing it! So tell your friends that if they want to save alot money first off, and want what these con-artists have to offer, then read cheap garbage like The Secret and save the experiental training for when you feel like riding a fake emotional roller coaster only to experience fake "euphoria" or fake "enlightenment". Honestly how many people get rich from these PYRAMID SCHEMES? Yes, I called training like this a Pyramid scheme. It is a pyramid scheme because you get all these volunteers to who have been through the training to push it on you. They push it on you because they get another emotional high by being there again and seeing it happen, and then they tell you to go out and recruit for these trainings. Who is profiting from all this? Gee I would like to know? The attendees? Bah!!! Most will go home feeling used, and the suckers who buy into it will be out even more cash and will have lost their dignity on the way telling everyone else that they are so much better for having done it never generating more wealth or "happiness". Instead they become recruiters and pushers for free, putting more coin in con artist's pockets like T. Harv Eker. HAHA!!! Ohh man, these types of trainings and others like it are such HUGE scams. I had the luxury of attending a similiar 3-day event, it being a luxury cause i didn’t pay for it. All I have to say is “WOW”, and not world of Warcraft.

So the “Facilitator” within the first 30 min of being their pulls alot of the same techniques discussed. At the end of the first day your inhibitions are totally discredited, the second day concludes with your mind defenses being totally bypassed, by your own doing, and the last day concludes with you doing some more crazy new age mental make believe exercises that leave you feeling the fake “euphoria” that was intended all along. The constant emotional ups and downs almost became like clock work. This group follows the training up with a “graduation”, more like parading a bunch of zombies on stage who drank the cool-aid in front of their spouses, family members, and friends. This used as a marketing and recruiting tool to get you, the cool-aid drinker, to solicit how great your training was and how bad everyone else needs it.

Of course it doesn’t stop there, like a drug-pusher denying you your fix, they have you come back 3 days later for your “post-training”, which consisted of another emotional high and to convince you sign up for part 2 of your training! Yeah!!!! Of course their’s was no $30,000, only $700, but still, if you did sign up you are already in $1000!!! Then of course part 3 is $700 and then they offer couples classes and other non-sense. My uncle got crazy into this NEW AGE GARBAGE, and i say that with confidence because that is what it is and how i came to learn about LGAT’s like Landmark Education Corp and my local new age pushers “The Great Life Foundation”

Ehhhh…….All nonsense. If you fill a room with people and put a so called “successful” person on stage who can convince the crowd to lower their mind defenses so you can dangle riches and happiness at the end of the stick only to tell them some common sense gibberish and exploit them is completely SCARY and frankly should be against the law. It is brainwashing (Taking away somebody’s ability to be critical) and groups like this don’t even tell you that they are doing it!

So tell your friends that if they want to save alot money first off, and want what these con-artists have to offer, then read cheap garbage like The Secret and save the experiental training for when you feel like riding a fake emotional roller coaster only to experience fake “euphoria” or fake “enlightenment”.

Honestly how many people get rich from these PYRAMID SCHEMES? Yes, I called training like this a Pyramid scheme. It is a pyramid scheme because you get all these volunteers to who have been through the training to push it on you. They push it on you because they get another emotional high by being there again and seeing it happen, and then they tell you to go out and recruit for these trainings. Who is profiting from all this? Gee I would like to know? The attendees? Bah!!! Most will go home feeling used, and the suckers who buy into it will be out even more cash and will have lost their dignity on the way telling everyone else that they are so much better for having done it never generating more wealth or “happiness”. Instead they become recruiters and pushers for free, putting more coin in con artist’s pockets like T. Harv Eker.

]]> Comment on My LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) experience: Millionaire Mind Intensive by anonymous http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/comment-page-1/#comment-9907 anonymous Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:23:48 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/#comment-9907 @happy_canadian I used to believe in MMI, but now I'm a big fan of The Secret. I think The Secret does a much better job. Also, the creator is much more successful. Really, when you come right down to it, it's all about how much you listen to your inner desires. There are things in the universe that are larger than we can understand, and it is only by tapping into these deep inner voices that we can find the wealth that is possible. Sometimes you may have moments of doubt while you are reading The Secret. Whenever this happens you should look down at your hands for five minutes and appreciate how amazing hands are. The majesty of engineering that goes into the supple graceful curves. It's important to be uncomfortable. This is the only way to change your own behavior. You have to get together with other people who also read The Secret and discuss WHY you do uncomfortable things. I'm sure you will all come to the same conclusion that my The Secret friends came to... that it is part of the secret of the universe. I hope this review is helpful for you as you consider how cheap it would be to buy The Secret today... It's so cheap and yet will change your life and give you fulfillment by listening to your true inner spirit guide. D @happy_canadian

I used to believe in MMI, but now I’m a big fan of The Secret. I think The Secret does a much better job. Also, the creator is much more successful.

Really, when you come right down to it, it’s all about how much you listen to your inner desires. There are things in the universe that are larger than we can understand, and it is only by tapping into these deep inner voices that we can find the wealth that is possible.

Sometimes you may have moments of doubt while you are reading The Secret. Whenever this happens you should look down at your hands for five minutes and appreciate how amazing hands are. The majesty of engineering that goes into the supple graceful curves.

It’s important to be uncomfortable. This is the only way to change your own behavior. You have to get together with other people who also read The Secret and discuss WHY you do uncomfortable things. I’m sure you will all come to the same conclusion that my The Secret friends came to… that it is part of the secret of the universe.

I hope this review is helpful for you as you consider how cheap it would be to buy The Secret today… It’s so cheap and yet will change your life and give you fulfillment by listening to your true inner spirit guide.

D

]]> Comment on My LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) experience: Millionaire Mind Intensive by a happy Canadian immigrant http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/comment-page-1/#comment-9905 a happy Canadian immigrant Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:01:27 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/#comment-9905 I attended MMI, I volunteered a few times including camps, and I have an opinion to share if anyone cares to read it. We are very well trained by the school and society to believe that mind is the only tool we have, and this is not true. The inner guide is there , alive and alert to all the decisions we make. There is always a choice, it's just a matter of being able to listen to it when it comes. People buy because they are facing their unfulfilled desires, in a way that doesn't give them room to hide or to run away from that thought. When the solution is offered to their problem, they just take it. The company sells its own courses and packages, nobody ever will tell you to go to their competition to get a better deal. If you are there, it means you want to evaluate their offer. It is your responsibility to research and make up your mind. You have 10 days to cancel anyways, that is a lot of time to get out of your "hypnosis". If you don't cancel, you probably have a good reason to keep it. I saw many people, in my volunteering activity, going through experiences that forced them to face their fears and learn how weak they (the fears) were, they let them go and got the skill to do the same with all the other ones. I saw people crying of happiness when they let go of resentments or hatred which brought them into illness, after several, maybe tens of years of "swiping them under the carpet". The time had come, the problem was dealt with and solved just like that; in a weekend. No therapist, no drugs, no hypnosis; just the knowledge of how to take responsibility, and the opportunity to take action in a safe and professional conducted environment. I spoke to people who were not impressed with their own results and insights as well. Well, people who came to be transformed, had definitely another outcome than people who came to check out the techniques. Is it too expensive? That is a personal matter. You can buy the same product, or at least with similar features at Walmart, at Zellers or at Sears; It is your choice. If this "stuff" would be available in schools, and I mean in high schools so every child would have access to it regardless of financial resources, the society would look different. We would have less complainers, more achievers, less drop outs and more successful citizens. We would enjoy life in more harmony and less fear, and people would feel open and brave to confront their problems, solve them and move on. Some people stuff their frustrations and resentments one on top of the other until they get cancer or fall in depression, or get into alcohol or drugs to take a breath and forget about the night mare their life turned into. Whatever way I find to connect and listen to my inner guide and higher self, I grab it with both hands and I feel grateful for it. What you do with it, is entirely your choice and YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. By the way, it is not the fact, but our own perception and attitude that make us feel happy or miserable. The excitement, the interactive activities, shouting and dancing, felt very uncomfortable for me at the beginning, but I learned how introvert and uncommunicative I was. It was a good wake up call. The exercises fulfilled their purpose. You can't learn to swim if you don't immerse yourself in water. As a volunteer, in my limited experience, I had a great time; high quality people were in charge with the camps, the food was more than I could ever ask for - in a camp and the opportunity to serve and feel appreciated for the effort, was a good application of my christian background. We, the volunteers, had our own challenges and lessons too, for me, it was really rewarding. I attended MMI, I volunteered a few times including camps, and I have an opinion to share if anyone cares to read it.
We are very well trained by the school and society to believe that mind is the only tool we have, and this is not true. The inner guide is there , alive and alert to all the decisions we make. There is always a choice, it’s just a matter of being able to listen to it when it comes. People buy because they are facing their unfulfilled desires, in a way that doesn’t give them room to hide or to run away from that thought. When the solution is offered to their problem, they just take it. The company sells its own courses and packages, nobody ever will tell you to go to their competition to get a better deal. If you are there, it means you want to evaluate their offer. It is your responsibility to research and make up your mind. You have 10 days to cancel anyways, that is a lot of time to get out of your “hypnosis”. If you don’t cancel, you probably have a good reason to keep it.
I saw many people, in my volunteering activity, going through experiences that forced them to face their fears and learn how weak they (the fears) were, they let them go and got the skill to do the same with all the other ones. I saw people crying of happiness when they let go of resentments or hatred which brought them into illness, after several, maybe tens of years of “swiping them under the carpet”. The time had come, the problem was dealt with and solved just like that; in a weekend. No therapist, no drugs, no hypnosis; just the knowledge of how to take responsibility, and the opportunity to take action in a safe and professional conducted environment. I spoke to people who were not impressed with their own results and insights as well. Well, people who came to be transformed, had definitely another outcome than people who came to check out the techniques.
Is it too expensive? That is a personal matter. You can buy the same product, or at least with similar features at Walmart, at Zellers or at Sears; It is your choice.
If this “stuff” would be available in schools, and I mean in high schools so every child would have access to it regardless of financial resources, the society would look different. We would have less complainers, more achievers, less drop outs and more successful citizens. We would enjoy life in more harmony and less fear, and people would feel open and brave to confront their problems, solve them and move on. Some people stuff their frustrations and resentments one on top of the other until they get cancer or fall in depression, or get into alcohol or drugs to take a breath and forget about the night mare their life turned into.
Whatever way I find to connect and listen to my inner guide and higher self, I grab it with both hands and I feel grateful for it.
What you do with it, is entirely your choice and YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
By the way, it is not the fact, but our own perception and attitude that make us feel happy or miserable.
The excitement, the interactive activities, shouting and dancing, felt very uncomfortable for me at the beginning, but I learned how introvert and uncommunicative I was. It was a good wake up call. The exercises fulfilled their purpose.
You can’t learn to swim if you don’t immerse yourself in water.
As a volunteer, in my limited experience, I had a great time; high quality people were in charge with the camps, the food was more than I could ever ask for - in a camp and the opportunity to serve and feel appreciated for the effort, was a good application of my christian background. We, the volunteers, had our own challenges and lessons too, for me, it was really rewarding.

]]> Comment on My email’s been down for two days by dan http://www.nielshoven.com/2009/08/19/my-emails-been-down-for-two-days/comment-page-1/#comment-9902 dan Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:47:07 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/?p=1406#comment-9902 Yes, Season 3 is on again...what i truly enjoy about watching you, Niels, is how real you are..I'm sure you're as real today as the day you were so full of emotion when you had to put up your buddy in the nominations. That episode kills me. And we have a little bit in common. I'm a Wharton grad, and I once beat John McEnroe in tennis (before he became number one in the world). (And I think you're a pretty athletic guy yourself, after watching you box a little.) And I rememeber, 30 years ago, my coach at Penn telling me upon graduation, "Dan, you have the world by the balls." I didn't quite know what he meant by that but as the years have passed it's apparent that there were a world of opportunities out there for me, and more than for most, as I was smart and athletic. And while that was true, and some opportunities i took advantage of and some i didn't, what's been most important to me is knowing the people i chose and choose to associate with are real. We only live so long on this earth and the quality i appreciate the most in people is their honesty, And I can tell how in touch you are with yourself, which can only lead to knowing yourself better and being aware of your surroundings and enjoying life to its fullest. Anyway, I do have a close bunch of friends, but when i see you on the show, I see one very cool guy with whom I would've immensely enjoyed being friends, and whom I greatly respect... What's beein going on? Yes, Season 3 is on again…what i truly enjoy about watching you, Niels, is how real you are..I’m sure you’re as real today as the day you were so full of emotion when you had to put up your buddy in the nominations. That episode kills me.
And we have a little bit in common. I’m a Wharton grad, and I once beat John McEnroe in tennis (before he became number one in the world). (And I think you’re a pretty athletic guy yourself, after watching you box a little.) And I rememeber, 30 years ago, my coach at Penn telling me upon graduation, “Dan, you have the world by the balls.” I didn’t quite know what he meant by that but as the years have passed it’s apparent that there were a world of opportunities out there for me, and more than for most, as I was smart and athletic.
And while that was true, and some opportunities i took advantage of and some i didn’t, what’s been most important to me is knowing the people i chose and choose to associate with are real. We only live so long on this earth and the quality i appreciate the most in people is their honesty, And I can tell how in touch you are with yourself, which can only lead to knowing yourself better and being aware of your surroundings and enjoying life to its fullest.
Anyway, I do have a close bunch of friends, but when i see you on the show, I see one very cool guy with whom I would’ve immensely enjoyed being friends, and whom I greatly respect…
What’s beein going on?

]]> Comment on Gerald Pollack’s water theories by Giancarlo Franzese http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/01/31/gerald-pollacks-water-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-9890 Giancarlo Franzese Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:29:44 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/01/31/gerald-pollacks-water-theories/#comment-9890 There is plenty of theoretical support for what Pollack observes and it's since long time that we and many other publish about it (last publication on PNAS January 26, 2010, vol. 107, no. 4, 1301–1306, "Effect of hydrogen bond cooperativity on the behavior of water" by Kevin Stokelya, Marco G. Mazza, H. Eugene Stanleya, and myself). For some reason it seems that we did not cross before with Pollack. But probably we can fix this soon. The only difference between his interpretation and our is that we do not need to consider a "liquid-crystal" kind of phase transition, but a standard phase transition like between liquid and gas is enough. In this case the two fluids are two liquids at different densities and with different local structures. Moreover, you do not need to cross the phase transition to observe macroscopic consequences of the different local structure that is formed when you approach the phase transition. There is plenty of theoretical support for what Pollack observes and it’s since long time that we and many other publish about it (last publication on PNAS January 26, 2010, vol. 107, no. 4, 1301–1306, “Effect of hydrogen bond cooperativity on the behavior of water” by Kevin Stokelya, Marco G. Mazza, H. Eugene Stanleya, and myself). For some reason it seems that we did not cross before with Pollack. But probably we can fix this soon.

The only difference between his interpretation and our is that we do not need to consider a “liquid-crystal” kind of phase transition, but a standard phase transition like between liquid and gas is enough. In this case the two fluids are two liquids at different densities and with different local structures. Moreover, you do not need to cross the phase transition to observe macroscopic consequences of the different local structure that is formed when you approach the phase transition.

]]> Comment on Specific anosmia, or why I can’t smell farts by to embaraced http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/02/27/specific-anosmia-or-why-i-cant-smell-farts/comment-page-2/#comment-9877 to embaraced Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:03:19 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/02/27/selective-anosmia-or-why-i-cant-smell-farts/#comment-9877 ya i LOST THE ABILITY TO HOLD IN MY FARTS most of the time. its horrible. i smell them sometimes but not always. Today i was sitting in class and my friends all started to say who let one rip but i couldn't smell it. I know its me, i have been suffering from this problem since grade 8 but from grade 9 it was really bad, grade 10 improved but still bad, right now in grade 11 i sometimes go a whole week without farting uncontrollably. this week has been bad because i cant control them for some reason. I always have the same comments and reactions around me, they all say it smells like shit and then they add in " it literally smells like dog shit" very embaracing. i have some good days where these uncontrollable farts dont occur and people can actually smell my cologne because i get complements like wow u smell extremely good. im also very self concious now, scared to be around people, always concerned with who is behind me. just ahorrible life. the fact that i have no control just makes me want to kill myself because i dont think there is a cure. i just pray to God and that worked for me untill now since it started all over again. its always the same smell, smells like i literally shit in my pants. im just very hopeless. if anyone can help then please do so. it has ruined my social life although im still quite social because i deal with this problem as best as i can, im a very likable person but this problem has ruined me. im very young and do not want to live the rest of my life like this.. ill probally kill myself eventually once i have a complete mental breakdown. hopefully it doesnt come to that. thanks for reading. ya i LOST THE ABILITY TO HOLD IN MY FARTS most of the time. its horrible. i smell them sometimes but not always. Today i was sitting in class and my friends all started to say who let one rip but i couldn’t smell it. I know its me, i have been suffering from this problem since grade 8 but from grade 9 it was really bad, grade 10 improved but still bad, right now in grade 11 i sometimes go a whole week without farting uncontrollably. this week has been bad because i cant control them for some reason. I always have the same comments and reactions around me, they all say it smells like shit and then they add in ” it literally smells like dog shit” very embaracing. i have some good days where these uncontrollable farts dont occur and people can actually smell my cologne because i get complements like wow u smell extremely good. im also very self concious now, scared to be around people, always concerned with who is behind me. just ahorrible life. the fact that i have no control just makes me want to kill myself because i dont think there is a cure. i just pray to God and that worked for me untill now since it started all over again. its always the same smell, smells like i literally shit in my pants. im just very hopeless. if anyone can help then please do so. it has ruined my social life although im still quite social because i deal with this problem as best as i can, im a very likable person but this problem has ruined me. im very young and do not want to live the rest of my life like this.. ill probally kill myself eventually once i have a complete mental breakdown. hopefully it doesnt come to that. thanks for reading.

]]> Comment on My LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) experience: Millionaire Mind Intensive by Shannon http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/comment-page-1/#comment-9807 Shannon Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:39:31 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/#comment-9807 To River Rock, I would challenge your notion that [ but, we all have free choice in this] because when you are in a hypnotic state you ultimately have control, but you are also vulnerable to external influences that you may not be if you were in your "normal" state of consciousness. It is irresponsible, manipulative, and dishonest to put someone in a hypnotic state then sell them something. If MM and Harv wanted to be upfront about their tactics then I wouldn't have such a problem with it. To River Rock,
I would challenge your notion that [ but, we all have free choice in this] because when you are in a hypnotic state you ultimately have control, but you are also vulnerable to external influences that you may not be if you were in your “normal” state of consciousness.
It is irresponsible, manipulative, and dishonest to put someone in a hypnotic state then sell them something. If MM and Harv wanted to be upfront about their tactics then I wouldn’t have such a problem with it.

]]> Comment on My LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) experience: Millionaire Mind Intensive by Darius http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/comment-page-1/#comment-9805 Darius Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:31:12 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/#comment-9805 Thanks RR, you seem to have navigated the psychic terrain alright, and i totally believe that there IS value there -- you have to bait the hook, as the homily goes. What it comes down to is this: knowing that even you lost some control, and there are people attempting to upsell in a sophisticated way, would you recommend these events to less strong-willed members of your family? Because you can't make any assumptions about the strenght of will of the people reading your comment. So, you're basically recommending it to us all, in the abstract. Even your loved ones. Darius Thanks RR, you seem to have navigated the psychic terrain alright, and i totally believe that there IS value there — you have to bait the hook, as the homily goes.

What it comes down to is this: knowing that even you lost some control, and there are people attempting to upsell in a sophisticated way, would you recommend these events to less strong-willed members of your family?

Because you can’t make any assumptions about the strenght of will of the people reading your comment. So, you’re basically recommending it to us all, in the abstract. Even your loved ones.

Darius

]]> Comment on My LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) experience: Millionaire Mind Intensive by River Rock http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/comment-page-1/#comment-9803 River Rock Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:03:25 +0000 http://www.nielshoven.com/2008/05/11/my-lgat-large-group-awareness-training-experience-millionaire-mind-intensive/#comment-9803 Very interesting comments on MMI and Peak Potentials. I found your description of the sales techniques informative and acknowledge the possibility of being swept up in a program beyond your means but, we all have free choice in this. When I took a few of these courses, I felt very comfortable picking and choosing what was right for my needs and pocketbook. It is a little unfair of you to be critical when you missed the value offered by attending only a small portion of the (free and yet very useful) program. Some course leaders may well be clumsy and too aggressive. Overall, however, my experience was positive and life changing. The vast majority of folks never go beyond that first program - so a lot of value is being presented up front with no financial commitment required. Many (most) people have not had an opportunity nor has it even occurred to them to really examine their personal relationship with money and rarely do we get the the next level which is grasping that your partner's relationship with money is likely entirely different. Sometimes that's the reason you married the one you did! Not understanding the "why" of the way you spend or save or how you try control yourself or others with money can have far reaching effects on your life. I took MMI (three times), Warrior and Wizard) and, with the exception of one really weird exercise, I felt in control of myself. The result: I came away with greater awareness and knowledge. I would go so far as to say these experiences took me from being an "adult child" to a truly independent person, fully responsible for my own life, security and happiness. Now and again I pull out my notes and review what I learned. Can't say I experience some terrible hypnotic pull to go back for more; I've learned what I needed. And I would recommend attending the introductory event, taking the fuzzy-wuzzy stuff with a grain of salt and using what you will learn to build a secure future. RR Very interesting comments on MMI and Peak Potentials. I found your description of the sales techniques informative and acknowledge the possibility of being swept up in a program beyond your means but, we all have free choice in this. When I took a few of these courses, I felt very comfortable picking and choosing what was right for my needs and pocketbook. It is a little unfair of you to be critical when you missed the value offered by attending only a small portion of the (free and yet very useful) program. Some course leaders may well be clumsy and too aggressive. Overall, however, my experience was positive and life changing. The vast majority of folks never go beyond that first program - so a lot of value is being presented up front with no financial commitment required.

Many (most) people have not had an opportunity nor has it even occurred to them to really examine their personal relationship with money and rarely do we get the the next level which is grasping that your partner’s relationship with money is likely entirely different. Sometimes that’s the reason you married the one you did! Not understanding the “why” of the way you spend or save or how you try control yourself or others with money can have far reaching effects on your life.

I took MMI (three times), Warrior and Wizard) and, with the exception of one really weird exercise, I felt in control of myself. The result: I came away with greater awareness and knowledge.
I would go so far as to say these experiences took me from being an “adult child” to a truly independent person, fully responsible for my own life, security and happiness.

Now and again I pull out my notes and review what I learned. Can’t say I experience some terrible hypnotic pull to go back for more; I’ve learned what I needed. And I would recommend attending the introductory event, taking the fuzzy-wuzzy stuff with a grain of salt and using what you will learn to build a secure future. RR

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