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					<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s easy to be impressed by people&#8217;s titles. From the Chief of this, to the Director of that and from the President of this, to the Leader of that or the Head of whatever and Manager of so-and-so or Founder of an organisation: Titles tell you something about the person that holds them. In the UK we have more than our fair share of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s easy to be impressed by people&#8217;s titles. From the <strong>Chief</strong> of this, to the <strong>Director</strong> of that and from the <strong>President</strong> of this, to the <strong>Leader</strong> of that or the <strong>Head</strong> of whatever and <strong>Manager</strong> of so-and-so or <strong>Founder</strong> of an organisation: Titles tell you something about the person that holds them. In the UK we have more than our fair share of extraordinarily grandiose and pompous titles, some of which have been in the news recently, often for the wrong reasons:</p>



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<li><strong>Lord</strong>&nbsp;Mandelson (formerly “Prince of Darkness”), now&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mandelson">Peter Mountbatten-Darkness</a>
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<li><strong>The Right Honourable</strong>&nbsp;&#8230; A peculiar title&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_Honourable">used in the third person</a></li>
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</li>



<li><strong>Knight Commander</strong> of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, to give its full name (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Commander">KBE</a>)
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<li><strong>Commander</strong>&nbsp;of the British Empire: what&#8217;s left of it (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander_of_the_British_Empire">CBE</a>)</li>



<li><strong>Order</strong>&nbsp;of the British Empire: what&#8217;s left of it (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire">OBE</a>),</li>



<li><strong>Member</strong>&nbsp;of the British Empire: what&#8217;s left of it (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_British_Empire">MBE</a>)</li>
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</li>



<li><strong>Sir</strong>, not like &#8220;<em>Yes Sir</em>&#8221; in school or &#8220;<em>SIR, YES SIR!</em>&#8221; in the military but:
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<li><strong>SIR</strong>&nbsp;as in&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Bachelor">Knight Bachelor</a>&nbsp;or</li>



<li><strong>Knight Bachelorette</strong>&nbsp;aka&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dame">Dame</a></li>
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</li>



<li><strong>Kings</strong>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<strong>Queens</strong> from a medieval history&nbsp;like:
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<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mountbatten-Windsor">Charles Mountbatten-Windsor</a> I&#8217;ve stripped him of his title, because he&#8217;s&nbsp;<a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-66108871">#NotMyKing</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camilla_Mountbatten-Windsor">Camilla Mountbatten-Windsor</a> I&#8217;ve stripped her of her title, because she&#8217;s <a href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1882572/queen-camilla-anti-monarchy-protest-worcester">#NotMyQueen</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Mountbatten-Windsor">Elizabeth Mountbatten-Windsor</a> (RIP) I&#8217;ve stripped her of her title, because she was never my Queen <a href="https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/anger-elizabeth-ii-poster-leicester-8585098">#NotMyQueen</a></li>
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<li><strong>Other Fairy Tale Titles</strong> <strong>from Feudalism</strong> like:
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<li><strong>The Duke </strong>(of Cambridge) William Mountbatten-Windsor <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mountbatten-Windsor">#NotMyDuke</a></li>



<li><strong>The Duchess</strong> (of Edinburgh) Sophie Mountbatten-Windsor <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Mountbatten-Windsor">#NotMyDuchess</a></li>



<li><strong>The Princess</strong>&nbsp;(of Wales) Catherine Mountbatten-Windsor <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Mountbatten-Windsor">#NotMyPrincess</a></li>



<li><strong>The Prince</strong> (of Entitlement) Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, this is less of a fairy tale and more of a horror story for anyone who associated with the disgraced collaborator of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Formerly the <strong>Prince of York</strong>, he&#8217;s now simply known as the <strong>Prince of Power, Corruption &amp; Lies</strong> and definitely <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mountbatten-Windsor">#NotMyPrince</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Universities everywhere are stuffed full of people with fancy sounding titles too:&nbsp;<strong>Professors</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Chancellors</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Masters</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Fellows</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Doctors</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Proctors</strong>, <strong>Bachelors</strong>, <strong>Presidents</strong>, <strong>Deans</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Principals</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Rectors</strong>,&nbsp;<strong>Wardens</strong>&nbsp;and so on. Churches love to lord it over us too with their <strong>Archbishops</strong>, <strong>Bishops</strong>, <strong>Deacons</strong>, <strong>Priests</strong>, <strong>Canons</strong> and <strong>Vicars</strong> etc. In many organisations you&#8217;ll find plenty of <strong>Associate</strong> do-da&#8217;s, <strong>Assistant</strong> so-and-so&#8217;s, <strong>Deputy</strong> what-nots, <strong>Senior</strong> thingamajigs and <strong>Vice</strong> bla-blas. <br><br>Titles, titles everywhere! Some hard earned, some inherited, some awarded, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-for-Honours_scandal">some bought</a>. Some meritocratic, some theocratic, some democratic, some aristocratic. While there are many good and legitimate reasons for using titles, they aren&#8217;t always used with honourable intentions. I&#8217;m thinking of scenarios like:</p>



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<li>“<em>Don&#8217;t you know who I am</em>?”</li>



<li>“<em>We&#8217;re not on first name terms yet</em>”</li>



<li>“<em>You must use my titles when addressing me</em>&#8230;”</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Titles can be dehumanising for both addresser and addressee. When titles are stripped from their holder, it is a good reminder that we shouldn&#8217;t be too enamoured by them in the first place, especially when they carry lots of baggage. The weightier the titles, the more cumbersome they can be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Titles have a tendency to put people on a pedestal, which they inevitably fall off at some point. Shelley puts it better:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So,<strong> titles are tinsel</strong> because we&#8217;re all human, decorated or otherwise. Maybe you like a bit of tinsel on your Christmas tree, who doesn&#8217;t, but a tree is still a tree &#8211; with or without the fancy decorations. So the next time you&#8217;re impressed by somebody&#8217;s title, remember that the titled,&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entitled:_The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_House_of_York">en-titled</a>, un-titled, de-titled, re-titled and stripped of their titles, are all just <strong>people</strong> with very <em>human</em> flaws which might otherwise be obscured by the decorative titles we give them. <br><br>We should treat people with respect, not <em>because</em> of their titles, but because they are <em>human</em>.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">References</h2>



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<li>Shelley, Percy Bysshe (1812)&nbsp;“Declaration of Rights.”&nbsp;In&nbsp;<em>The Prose Works of Percy Bysshe Shelley, Volume 1</em>, edited by E. B. Murray. Romantic Poetry; Oxford University Press. DOI:<a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1093/actrade/9780198127482.book.1">10.1093/actrade/9780198127482.book.1</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You can cite this page using the Digital Object Identifier provided by <a href="https://rogue-scholar.org/">rogue-scholar.org</a> either the long DOI:<a href="https://doi.org/10.59350/1fs12-2z824" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">10.59350/1fs12-2z824</a> or the shorter <a href="https://doi.org/qvd8">doi.org/qvd8</a>, both of which point to the same thing.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Mentors can enrich and extend your teaching by supporting students learning during their study. Here&#8217;s a paper I presented yesterday describing some teaching we&#8217;ve done over the last decade (2015-2025) mentoring software engineers on a second year undergraduate course in Computer Science at the University of Manchester in the UK. Our mentors have come from around forty different organisations from startups to BigTech and everything in between, using a Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (MMORPG) called <a href="https://stendhalgame.org">stendhalgame.org</a> for the project. Here&#8217;s the abstract of the paper below [1] published open access in the full conference proceedings from <a href="https://cepconference.webspace.durham.ac.uk">Computing Education Practice (CEP) </a>at Durham University via the ACM Digital Library [2]:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Employers often remark that Computer Science graduates do not have the right skills to work on modern software engineering projects where agile practices, continuous integration, test-driven development, git workflows and regular code reviews are commonplace. To address this issue, we designed a course to introduce students to some of the realities of software engineering outside of academia. We describe the journey of building and running an industrial mentoring scheme for this course where students are assigned an experienced engineering mentor from industry who each guide a small team of six through an open source project.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This sets the course apart from the more traditional engineering projects, where students build small and simple system from scratch. Instead we ask students to fix bugs and add features in a large and unfamiliar open source codebase, a game called stendhalgame.org. The mentoring scheme is a key part of enabling that, both in terms of motivating the students but also in providing guidance and advice on how to tackle these kinds of software engineering task. We reflect on the program, which has been taken by more than 2000 second year students over a nine year period. The main contribution is the combination of human mentoring with software that facilitates more meaningful discussions between mentors and mentees that would otherwise have not taken place. As far as we can tell, this is novel in the UK in terms of scale and approach.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks to the students, Graduate Teaching Assistants (GTAs), mentors and my co-authors (especially <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/suzanne.m.embury">Suzanne Embury</a> but also Ben Possible, Christopher Page and Tom Carroll) who made this work possible by designing, developing, delivering, improving and (in the case of students) actually <em>doing</em> the course. Thanks to <a href="https://www.durham.ac.uk/staff/karl-southern/">Karl Southern</a> and <a href="https://www.durham.ac.uk/staff/s-p-bradley/">Steven Bradley</a> for organising CEP, which celebrated its tenth birthday <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f382.png" alt="🎂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> this year. We wrote a paper about that too, but that&#8217;s another story for another post. [3]</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you teach some kind of Computing, you might enjoy attending CEP, even if you don&#8217;t want to publish anything. It&#8217;s a good place to learn about what others are doing, because the focus on <strong>Practice</strong>, rather than Research. [3] CEP is full of lots of good ideas, papers, workshops and interesting people teaching Computing at a wide range of institutions from primary school through secondary school, from FE Colleges, Apprenticeships and a range of different Universities. I&#8217;ll post the slides and recorded presentation talk here shortly. The full course material is at <a href="https://software-eng.netlify.app">software-eng.netlify.app</a></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">References</h2>



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<li>Duncan Hull, Suzanne Embury, Ben Possible, Christopher Page and Tom Carroll (2026)  Improving practical software engineering teaching with industrial mentoring of open source team projects. CEP &#8217;26: Proceedings of the 10th Computing Education Practice Pages 29–32, DOI:<a href="https://doi.org/10.1145/3772338.3772350">10.1145/3772338.3772350</a></li>



<li>CEP &#8217;26: Proceedings of the 10th Computing Education Practice, Durham University DOI:<a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1145/3772338">10.1145/3772338</a></li>



<li> Steven Bradley, Rosanne English, Sally Fincher, Duncan Hull and Mark Zarb (2025) From Marco to Maria: Ten Years of the Computing Education Practice Conference, Koli Calling &#8217;25: Proceedings of the 25th Koli Calling International Conference on Computing Education Research Article No.: 15, Pages 1 &#8211; 11 Article No.: 15, Pages 1–11 DOI:<a href="https://doi.org/10.1145/3769994.3770003">10.1145/3769994.3770003</a></li>
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					<description><![CDATA[“I have learned much from my teachers and even more from my friends, but from my students&#160;I have learned&#160;most of all” Graduation is one of the most enjoyable milestones in the academic calendar. It&#8217;s a chance for everyone to celebrate and reflect on what students have learned and how they have grown during the time [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>“<em>I have learned much from my teachers and even more from my friends, but from my students&nbsp;I have learned&nbsp;most of all</em>”</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Graduation is one of the most enjoyable milestones in the academic calendar. It&#8217;s a chance for everyone to celebrate and reflect on what students have learned and how they have grown during the time they have spent at University. What makes it special (and possible) is the help of friends, families, speakers and supporters who come to mark the occasion with style and substance.<br><br>For the last three years, I&#8217;ve been hosting a fringe graduation event with <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/graduand">graduands</a> and graduates from a studio in the the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilburn_Building">Kilburn building</a>, as part of an ongoing audio podcast. [1] The latest three episodes of the podcast are now available including:</p>



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<li>Episode 21: Muna from Manchester <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/muna ">cdyf.me/muna </a></li>



<li>Episode 20: Sambbhav from Kanpur, India <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/sambbhav">cdyf.me/sambbhav</a> </li>



<li>Episode 19: Minahil from Karachi, Pakistan <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/minahil">cdyf.me/minahil</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks to Minahil, Sambbhav and Muna for taking part, it&#8217;s always a pleasure to record these episodes, hear your stories and learn from the unique journeys you are taking. Listen or subscribe at:</p>



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<li>Apple:&nbsp;<a href="https://apple.co/3JFV5Qe">apple.co/3JFV5Qe</a></li>



<li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/30p4f1iI8hICkJJmey1bS1">spotify.com/show/30p4f1iI8hICkJJmey1bS1</a> </li>



<li>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@coding-your-future/podcasts">youtube.com/@coding-your-future/podcasts</a></li>



<li>Amazon:&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/3OOaS0G">amzn.to/3OOaS0G</a></li>



<li>&#8230; or wherever you get your podcasts</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Unless you count programming languages, I&#8217;m agnostic when it comes to religion, but the quote at the top of this page about learning most from your students <a href="https://reflectivemeded.org/2017/03/21/from-my-students-most-of-all/">comes from the Talmud</a>. [2]</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">P.S. Sambbhav is looking for work in the UK, if you&#8217;re looking for engineers with experience, adaptability, good communication skills and intelligence, you should invite him to interview before somebody else snaps him up! <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/khare-sambbhav">linkedin.com/in/khare-sambbhav</a></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">References<br></h2>



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<li>Hull, Duncan (2023). Amplifying student voices on employability with podcasts. figshare. Presentation. DOI:<a href="https://doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.23726541.v1 ">10.6084/m9.figshare.23726541.v1 </a></li>



<li>Chanina, Rabbi&nbsp;(Various dates) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud</a> (Taanis 7a)&nbsp;</li>
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					<description><![CDATA[All your dreams are made, when you&#8217;re chained to the lecture and the teaching trade. Was that lecture, lab or lesson a dream or a nightmare? Exactly what did you learn from the experience? When you reflect on it, how will you tell yourself and others the stories of your study? The stories students tell [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">All your dreams are made, when you&#8217;re chained to the lecture and the teaching trade. Was that lecture, lab or lesson a dream or a nightmare? Exactly what did you learn from the experience? When you reflect on it, how will you tell yourself and others the stories of your study?<br><br>The stories students tell about what they have learned, the teaching they experience and research they are exposed to are a key part of the story of <em>every</em> University. These stories demonstrate the value that a University adds to society through the people that it educates, the knowledge, skills and abilities that students at that organisation acquire <em>alongside</em> the research that the institution does.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How are teaching and learning represented in stories online? We analysed the frequency of the keywords <code>TEACH*</code>, <code>LEARN*</code>, <code>STUDENT*</code>, <code>RESEARCH*</code> and <code>SCHOLAR*</code> in ten years of stories summarised in annual press releases. These stories were published by the University of Manchester every December from <code>2015</code> to <code>2024</code>. The main results of the analysis were presented this week [1,2,3] at the <a href="https://www.staffnet.manchester.ac.uk/umitl/events/itl-conference/">Institute of Teaching and Learning (ITL) conference</a> are shown below in Figure 1. There is bad news and good news:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Figure 1: Average frequency of keywords per article over ten years, <code>2015-2024</code>. On average the words <code>TEACH*</code> and <code>LEARN*</code> occurred just <code>1.3</code> and <code>0.6</code> times per article in comparison to <code>STUDENT*</code> and <code>RESEARCH*</code> which occurred more than <code>9</code> and <code>15</code> times in each press release respectively. In theory, <em>teaching</em> has parity of esteem with <em>research</em>, but in practice, this is clearly not the case when counting words in press releases. See [1] for full data.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The <strong>BAD NEWS</strong> is, the words in our press releases are a long <em>long</em> way off from the words in <a href="https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/vision/">our strategic vision</a>. [4] This will be disappointing and demoralising for anyone who cares about teaching and learning because our press releases mis-represent a huge amount of important learning done by thousands of our students. They also under-represent massive amounts of teaching delivered by our colleagues across the University. As <a href="https://www.southampton.ac.uk/people/62bwdz/doctor-duygu-candarli">Duygu Candarli</a> and <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/sj">Steven Jones</a> have shown, this a common pattern repeated across the Higher Education sector. [5] This isn&#8217;t just a Mancunian problem, there is a lack of integrity in much of the UK HE sector, what Steven Jones calls “<a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/publications/universities-under-fire-hostile-discourses-and-integrity-deficits">integrity deficits</a>”. [6]<br><br>However, the <strong>GOOD NEWS</strong> is there&#8217;s plenty we can do to improve the narrative, by getting on what <a href="https://www.shu.ac.uk/about-us/our-people/staff-profiles/sue-beckingham">Sue Beckingham</a> calls the Scholarship of Teaching and Learning (SoTL) staircase [7]. There are some simple and easy steps we can take to tell better stories that represent more accurately what our University (and wider HE sector) actually <em>does</em>. There is a good chance these steps could lead us upwards towards better teaching and scholarship, with students learning more skills and knowledge to prepare them for the world beyond University.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The presentation makes some suggestions for how academic staff can go about climbing the SoTL staircase to deliver even better teaching and an even better learning experience for students. For example, you could:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Write for the ITL blog at <a href="https://blogs.manchester.ac.uk/itl/">blogs.manchester.ac.uk/itl</a></li>



<li>Share your newsworthy stories with the <a href="https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/news/contact-media-relations/">media relations team</a></li>



<li>Share your stories where appropriate via the <a href="https://www.manchester.ac.uk/connect/social-media/">social media channels of the University</a> </li>



<li>Listen to and be a guest on pedagogical podcasts at the University such as <a href="https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/humteachlearn/what-works-in-teaching/good-practice-in-teaching-podcast-series/">Good Practice in Teaching</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These are small steps that go in the right direction towards rebalancing the imbalance above. So whatever you are learning and whoever you are teaching, what&#8217;s <em>your</em> story, learning glory?</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">References</h2>



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<li>Hull, D. (2025) What’s the Story, Learning Glory: Why we need to hear more stories about teaching and learning at the University of Manchester, White paper DOI:<a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.15684409">10.5281/zenodo.15684409</a></li>



<li>Hull, D. (2025) What&#8217;s the Story, Learning Glory: How we can get better at telling teaching stories at the University of Manchester, Poster presentation #ITLConf25 DOI:<a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.48420/29360969.v4">10.48420/29360969.v4</a> (Low resolution screenshot below, for higher resolution use the DOI above)</li>



<li>Blake, J (2025) University of Manchester Teaching and Learning Conference: Abstract Booklet, DOI:<a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.48420/29371811.v1">10.48420/29371811.v1</a></li>



<li>Rothwell, N. (2024) Our future: vision and strategic plan. <a href="https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/vision/">manchester.ac.uk/about/vision</a></li>



<li>Candarli, D., &amp; Jones, S. (2022). The representation of students in undergraduate prospectuses between 1998 and 2021: a diachronic corpus-assisted discourse study.&nbsp;<em>Critical Discourse Studies</em>. DOI:<a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/17405904.2022.2130952">10.1080/17405904.2022.2130952</a></li>



<li>Jones, S. (2022) Universities Under Fire: Hostile Discourses and Integrity Deficits in Higher Education. (Palgrave Critical University Studies). Palgrave Macmillan. DOI:<a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-96107-7">10.1007/978-3-030-96107-7</a></li>



<li>Beckingham, S (2025) SoTL Staircase, National Teaching Repository. Figure. DOI:<a href="https://doi.org/10.25416/NTR.29438096.v1">10.25416/NTR.29438096.v1</a> </li>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any list of 100 best anything is going to be riddled with biases, flaws and omissions, but here&#8217;s a list of albums you might enjoy listening to from 100best.music.apple.com. I&#8217;ve posted them here because my family are listening to three albums a week throughout 2025, and discussing them as we go. The albums are listed [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Any list of <em>100 best</em> anything is going to be riddled with biases, flaws and omissions, but here&#8217;s a list of albums you might enjoy listening to from <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/">100best.music.apple.com</a>. I&#8217;ve posted them here because my family are listening to three albums a week throughout 2025, and discussing them as we go. The albums are listed in reverse order of “greatness“ below, as we&#8217;re starting from the top. The №&#8217;s link to music and listening notes on Apple, other streaming services are available. The rest of the links go to the English Wikipedia article for the album in question. What&#8217;s missing and what&#8217;s in the wrong order? What doesn&#8217;t deserve to be mentioned on this list? There&#8217;s a strong <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americentrism">American bias</a>, with <code>65%</code> of artists hailing from the USA and <code>24%</code> from the UK. There&#8217;s only <code>1%</code> representation of artists from each of Jamaica, Iceland, Ireland, Puerto Rico, Sweden, Germany and France and a big fat <code>0%</code> for many others.†</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When it comes to music, Your Mileage May Vary (<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/YMMV">YMMV</a>), actually your mileage will <em>definitely</em> vary. So here&#8217;s an opinionated view from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park">Apple Park</a> on the ”definitive list of the greatest albums ever made” assembled with the help of ”artists and experts”. There&#8217;s plenty of bangers in here, amongst the clangers. Judge for yourself:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1f8-1f1ea.png" alt="🇸🇪" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/100" rel="nofollow">100</a> (2010) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Talk_(Robyn_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Talk_(Robyn_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/99" rel="nofollow">99</a> (1976) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_California_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_California_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/98" rel="nofollow">98</a> (2018) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroworld_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroworld_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/97" rel="nofollow">97</a> (1992) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1f3-1f1ff.png" alt="🇳🇿" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/96" rel="nofollow">96</a> (2013) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Heroine" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Heroine</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/95" rel="nofollow">95</a> (2004) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_(Usher_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_(Usher_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/94" rel="nofollow">94</a> (2007) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untrue_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untrue_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/93" rel="nofollow">93</a> (2016) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Seat_at_the_Table" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Seat_at_the_Table</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/92" rel="nofollow">92</a> (2017) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_Boy" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_Boy</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/91" rel="nofollow">91</a> (1990) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listen_Without_Prejudice_Vol._1" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listen_Without_Prejudice_Vol._1</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1fa.png" alt="🇦🇺" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/90" rel="nofollow">90</a> (1980) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_in_Black" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_in_Black</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/89" rel="nofollow">89</a> (2009) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fame_Monster" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fame_Monster</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/88" rel="nofollow">88</a> (1965) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Put_a_Spell_on_You_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Put_a_Spell_on_You_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/87" rel="nofollow">87</a> (1991) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lines" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lines</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/86" rel="nofollow">86</a> (1994) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Life_(Mary_J._Blige_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Life_(Mary_J._Blige_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/85" rel="nofollow">85</a> (2018) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hour_(Kacey_Musgraves_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hour_(Kacey_Musgraves_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/84" rel="nofollow">84</a> (1993) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggystyle" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggystyle</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/83" rel="nofollow">83</a> (1975) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/82" rel="nofollow">82</a> (2003) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Rich_or_Die_Tryin%27" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Rich_or_Die_Tryin&#8217;</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1e8-1f1e6.png" alt="🇨🇦" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/81" rel="nofollow">81</a> (1970) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_Gold_Rush" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_Gold_Rush</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/80" rel="nofollow">80</a> (2000) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marshall_Mathers_LP" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marshall_Mathers_LP</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/79" rel="nofollow">79</a> (2019) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Fucking_Rockwell!" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Fucking_Rockwell!</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/78" rel="nofollow">78</a> (1973) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye_Yellow_Brick_Road" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye_Yellow_Brick_Road</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/77" rel="nofollow">77</a> (1989) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Prayer_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Prayer_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1f5-1f1f7.png" alt="🇵🇷" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/76" rel="nofollow">76</a> (2022) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_Verano_Sin_Ti" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_Verano_Sin_Ti</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/75" rel="nofollow">75</a> (1997) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supa_Dupa_Fly" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supa_Dupa_Fly</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/74" rel="nofollow">74</a> (1994) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downward_Spiral" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downward_Spiral</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/73" rel="nofollow">73</a> (1977) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/72" rel="nofollow">72</a> (2022) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOS_(SZA_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOS_(SZA_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1e9-1f1ea.png" alt="🇩🇪" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/71" rel="nofollow">71</a> (1977) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Europe_Express_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Europe_Express_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/70" rel="nofollow">70</a> (1989) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_Outta_Compton" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_Outta_Compton</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/69" rel="nofollow">69</a> (1986) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Puppets" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Puppets</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/68" rel="nofollow">68</a> (2001) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_This_It" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_This_It</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/67" rel="nofollow">67</a> (1994) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/66" rel="nofollow">66</a> (1986) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen_Is_Dead" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen_Is_Dead</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/65" rel="nofollow">65</a> (1989) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Feet_High_and_Rising" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Feet_High_and_Rising</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/64" rel="nofollow">64</a>  (1997) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baduizm" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baduizm</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/63" rel="nofollow">63</a> (1967) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_You_Experienced" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_You_Experienced</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/62" rel="nofollow">62</a> (1996) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Eyez_on_Me" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Eyez_on_Me</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/61" rel="nofollow">61</a> (1992) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Deluxe" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Deluxe</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/60" rel="nofollow">60</a> (1967) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Velvet_Underground_%26_Nico" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Velvet_Underground_&amp;_Nico</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/59" rel="nofollow">59</a> (2013) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_(Arctic_Monkeys_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_(Arctic_Monkeys_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/58" rel="nofollow">58</a> (1995) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(What%27s_the_Story)_Morning_Glory%3F" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(What&#8217;s_the_Story)_Morning_Glory?</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/57" rel="nofollow">57</a> (2000) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_(D%27Angelo_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_(D&#8217;Angelo_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/56" rel="nofollow">56</a> (1989) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disintegration_(The_Cure_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disintegration_(The_Cure_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/55" rel="nofollow">55</a> (2016) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/54" rel="nofollow">54</a> (1965) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Love_Supreme" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Love_Supreme</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/53" rel="nofollow">53</a> (1972) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_on_Main_St." rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_on_Main_St.</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/52" rel="nofollow">52</a> (1987) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appetite_for_Destruction" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appetite_for_Destruction</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/51" rel="nofollow">51</a> (1987) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_o%27_the_Times" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_o&#8217;_the_Times</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/50" rel="nofollow">50</a> (1985) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounds_of_Love" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounds_of_Love</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ee-1f1ea.png" alt="🇮🇪" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/49" rel="nofollow">49</a> (1987) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joshua_Tree" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joshua_Tree</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/48" rel="nofollow">48</a> (1989) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul%27s_Boutique" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul&#8217;s_Boutique</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1e8-1f1e6.png" alt="🇨🇦" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/47" rel="nofollow">47</a> (2011) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Care" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Care</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ef-1f1f2.png" alt="🇯🇲" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/46" rel="nofollow">46</a> (1977) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(Bob_Marley_and_the_Wailers_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(Bob_Marley_and_the_Wailers_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ee-1f1f8.png" alt="🇮🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/45" rel="nofollow">45</a> (1997) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogenic" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogenic</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/44" rel="nofollow">44</a> (1973) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innervisions" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innervisions</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/43" rel="nofollow">43</a> (1980) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remain_in_Light" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remain_in_Light</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/42" rel="nofollow">42</a> (1986) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_(Janet_Jackson_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_(Janet_Jackson_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/41" rel="nofollow">41</a> (1998) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquemini" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquemini</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/40" rel="nofollow">40</a> (1967) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Loved_a_Man_the_Way_I_Love_You" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Loved_a_Man_the_Way_I_Love_You</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/39" rel="nofollow">39</a> (1994) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illmatic" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illmatic</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/38" rel="nofollow">38</a> (1971) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapestry_(Carole_King_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapestry_(Carole_King_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/37" rel="nofollow">37</a> (1993) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enter_the_Wu-Tang_(36_Chambers)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enter_the_Wu-Tang_(36_Chambers)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/36" rel="nofollow">36</a> (2013) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyonc%C3%A9_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyoncé_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/35" rel="nofollow">35</a> (1979) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Calling" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Calling</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/34" rel="nofollow">34</a> (1988) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Nation_of_Millions_to_Hold_Us_Back" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Nation_of_Millions_to_Hold_Us_Back</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/33" rel="nofollow">33</a> (2000) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_A" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_A</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/32" rel="nofollow">32</a> (1994) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_to_Die" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_to_Die</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1e8-1f1e6.png" alt="🇨🇦" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/31" rel="nofollow">31</a> (1995) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagged_Little_Pill" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagged_Little_Pill</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/30" rel="nofollow">30</a> (2019) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_We_All_Fall_Asleep,_Where_Do_We_Go%3F" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_We_All_Fall_Asleep,_Where_Do_We_Go?</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/29" rel="nofollow">29</a> (1991) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Low_End_Theory" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Low_End_Theory</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/28" rel="nofollow">28</a> (1971) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/27" rel="nofollow">27</a> (1969) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_II" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_II</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/26" rel="nofollow">26</a> (2010) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Beautiful_Dark_Twisted_Fantasy" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Beautiful_Dark_Twisted_Fantasy</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/25" rel="nofollow">25</a> (1959) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kind_of_Blue" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kind_of_Blue</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />  № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/24" rel="nofollow">24</a> (1972) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Ziggy_Stardust_and_the_Spiders_from_Mars" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Ziggy_Stardust_and_the_Spiders_from_Mars</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1eb-1f1f7.png" alt="🇫🇷" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/23" rel="nofollow">23</a> (2001) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(Daft_Punk_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(Daft_Punk_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/22" rel="nofollow">22</a> (1975) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_to_Run" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_to_Run</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/21" rel="nofollow">21</a> (1966) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver_(Beatles_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver_(Beatles_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/20" rel="nofollow">20</a> (1966) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Sounds" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Sounds</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/19" rel="nofollow">19</a> (1992) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronic" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronic</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/18" rel="nofollow">18</a> (2014) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_(Taylor%27s_Version)" rel="nofollow">wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_(Taylor&#8217;s_Version)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/17" rel="nofollow">17</a> (1971) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Going_On_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What&#8217;s_Going_On_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/16" rel="nofollow">16</a> (1971) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_(Joni_Mitchell_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_(Joni_Mitchell_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/15" rel="nofollow">15</a> (2011) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(Adele_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(Adele_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/14" rel="nofollow">14</a> (1965) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_61_Revisited" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_61_Revisited</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/13" rel="nofollow">13</a> (2001) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueprint</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/12" rel="nofollow">12</a> (2001) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_Computer" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_Computer</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/11" rel="nofollow">11</a> (1977) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumours_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumours_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/10" rel="nofollow">10</a> (2016) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/9" rel="nofollow">9</a> (1991) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevermind" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevermind</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/8" rel="nofollow">8</a> (2006) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_Black" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_Black</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/7" rel="nofollow">7</a> (2012) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Kid,_M.A.A.D_City" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Kid,_M.A.A.D_City</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/6" rel="nofollow">6</a> (1976) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_in_the_Key_of_Life" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_in_the_Key_of_Life</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/5" rel="nofollow">5</a> (2016) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blonde_(Frank_Ocean_album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blonde_(Frank_Ocean_album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/4" rel="nofollow">4</a> (1984) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Rain_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Rain_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1ec-1f1e7.png" alt="🇬🇧" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/3" rel="nofollow">3</a>: (1969) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbey_Road" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbey_Road</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/2" rel="nofollow">2</a> (1982) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" alt="🇺🇸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> № <a href="https://100best.music.apple.com/us/album/1" rel="nofollow">1</a> (1998) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miseducation_of_Lauryn_Hill" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miseducation_of_Lauryn_Hill</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">† NOTE: Some artists don&#8217;t fit into a neat <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singly_rooted_hierarchy">singly rooted hierarchy</a>, for example, are Fleetwood Mac British or American? Is Alanis Morissette Canadian or American? etc</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[Have you ever been asked WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? I was once asked this in a high-stakes job interview and my answer was that of a startled rabbit caught in the headlights before becoming squashed roadkill on the highway to hell. Nobody has asked me that question before or since. How can such [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Have you ever been asked WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? I was once asked this in a high-stakes job interview and my answer was that of a startled rabbit caught in the headlights before becoming squashed roadkill on the highway to hell. Nobody has asked me that question before or since. How can such a simple question be so difficult to answer?</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><a href="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="1024" data-attachment-id="10432" data-permalink="https://duncan.hull.name/2024/12/11/state-school-proud/founder/" data-orig-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png" data-orig-size="1890,1890" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="founder" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=300" data-large-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=1024" src="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=1024" alt="" class="wp-image-10432" srcset="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=1024 1024w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=150 150w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=300 300w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=768 768w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png?w=1440 1440w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/founder.png 1890w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Figure 1: Check out my awesome founding members badge! <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></figcaption></figure>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? is a Big Friendly Question <code>(BFQ)</code> that triggered lots more questions in my head rather than a composed answer from my mouth. My brain started work on Questioning The Friendly Question <code>(QTFQ)</code>:</p>



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<li>Why was the interviewer asking, when I could see him reading it off the top of my CV from across the table?</li>



<li>How the hell was the school I attended relevant to my suitability for the role?</li>



<li>Was this a friendly warm-up question, an innocent icebreaker or a inappropriately tricky tiebreaker to sort the men from the boys and the women from the girls?</li>



<li>Was the purpose of the interview to enable someone in the Human Resources department to cynically tick some <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-funded_schools_(England)">state school box</a> for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion">Equality, Diversity &amp; Inclusion</a> (EDI) before abandoning me by the roadside as unfortunate (but deliberate) interview roadkill?</li>



<li>If I&#8217;m just here to make up the numbers, maybe the interviewer would like to know where they could shove their stupid question and the interview with it?</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Years later, I still can’t decide what to make of the WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO interview question. If you were asked this question in a high-stakes job interview what would your answer be?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is my answer.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Beware of the heavily loaded juggernaut</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The heavily <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question">loaded question</a> of WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO is a very personal one. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_personal_is_political">The personal is political</a> and the political is often provocative. It proved to be a fatally political question in a&nbsp;<a href="https://www.gatsby.org.uk/plant-science">Great Gatsby Scholarship</a>&nbsp;interview I had for a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Philosophy">DPhil</a> at the University of Oxford. I wasn’t expecting the question or the abusive reply to my bewildered (but factually correct) answer. As with many job interviews, there was a big power imbalance between the interviewer and the interviewee. The Professor interviewing me was a member of some exclusively professional <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club">gentlemen&#8217;s clubs</a> in London. One of these clubs serves as UK’s National Academy of Sciences (the&nbsp;<a href="https://royalsociety.org/">royalsociety.org</a>) whose members, or&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_of_the_Royal_Society">Fellows (as they like to be called)</a>, use the letters&nbsp;<code>FRS</code>&nbsp;after their names. Alan Turing, Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, Christopher Wren and Stephen Hawking were all <code>FRS</code> alongside <code>8,000</code> other fellows in total. Around <code>80%</code> of Royal Society fellows are no longer with us, which is why they are sometimes called the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Poets_Society">Dead Scientists Society</a>. To keep themselves relevant in the land of the living, they invite around <code>60</code> new fellows to join their esteemed club every year. Although the society started as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_boy_network">oldest of old boy networks</a> for scientists back in <code>1660</code>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_fellows_of_the_Royal_Society">women started joining relatively recently</a> in <code>1945</code>. Newer members include Nobel laureates like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Doudna">Jennifer Doudna</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demis_Hassabis">Demis Hassabis</a> (of Google DeepMind) alongside business leaders like Elon Musk, <a href="https://deevybee.blogspot.com/2024/11/why-i-have-resigned-from-royal-society.html">although his fellowship (like most things he does) is controversial</a>. There is still lots more work to be done <a href="https://royalsociety.org/current-topics/diversity/">improving diversity at the Royal Society</a>, because only&nbsp;<code>12%</code>&nbsp;of their ~<code>1,800</code> living fellows are female.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-royaldiversity">1</a>)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The other professional club my interviewer sported membership of was another exclusive invitation-only outfit, let&#8217;s call it the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders,_decorations,_and_medals_of_the_United_Kingdom">Imperial Club</a>. As a&nbsp;<a href="https://www.thegazette.co.uk/awards-and-accreditation/content/103372">Commander of the British Empire</a> <code>CBE</code>, this Professor was awarded a premium Imperial Club membership by the royal family alongside <code>99</code>&nbsp;other newly appointed commanders each year. <a href="https://honours.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/about/diversity/">Diversity in the Imperial Club</a> is actually a bit better than that of the Royal Society (and certainly the royal family), but still not generally particularly representative of society as a whole.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-cbe-diversity">2</a>)</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><a href="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="515" data-attachment-id="10479" data-permalink="https://duncan.hull.name/2024/12/11/state-school-proud/rabbit-in-the-headlights/" data-orig-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg" data-orig-size="1920,966" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="Rabbit-in-the-headlights" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=300" data-large-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=1024" src="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=1024" alt="" class="wp-image-10479" srcset="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=1024 1024w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=150 150w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=300 300w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=768 768w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg?w=1440 1440w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/rabbit-in-the-headlights.jpg 1920w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Figure 2: Just before becoming interview roadkill, I froze like a breathless rabbit caught in the headlights of the question many state schoolers dread: WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? (<a href="#ref-varsity">3</a>) This interview wasn’t looking like the Stairway to Heaven I’d hoped for, (<a href="#ref-stairway">4</a>) but more of a Highway to Hell. (<a href="#ref-highwaytohell">5</a>) Rabbit sketch by <a href="https://visualthinkery.com/">Visual Thinkery</a> is licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/">CC-BY-ND</a>  <em><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f430.png" alt="🐰" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></em></figcaption></figure>



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<p class="caption wp-block-paragraph">The odds are about <code>5:1</code> that my interviewer was also a member of the <code>7%</code> club (<a href="#ref-mostpowerful">6</a>), that’s the elite minority group of the UK population who are <a href="https://www.isc.co.uk/">privately educated</a> by one of our formidable <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engines_of_Privilege">Engines of Privilege</a>. (<a href="#ref-nicebutdim">7</a>) But who knows? This Professor was justifiably proud to be a Fellow the Royal Society <code>(FRS)</code> and a commanding member of the Imperial Club <code>(CBE)</code>, because they are both significant awards in their own right. Only about <code>0.002%</code> of the UK population are deemed worthy of the award of club membership. (<a href="#ref-jollygoodfellows">8</a>) Membership of these London clubs does not come easy because the bouncers working the doors are notoriously powerful, opinionated and they <em>love</em> a good fight. They don&#8217;t fight with their fists, they wage war in words. If your name isn’t down on their closely guarded list, you’re not coming in. The Professor interviewing me was down on the list and up there in career clubbers heaven with other Gods because he was appointed <code>CBE</code> by Queen <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II">Elizabeth II</a>. That same Queen (and her son King <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_III">Charles III</a>) were appointed to their posts as head of state <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1804992275">by God using a special hat</a> &#8211; so I&#8217;m literally only three steps from God:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>✞ God 
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<li>step one takes you from God to:</li>
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</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f451.png" alt="👑" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> The Queen (or The King)
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<li>step two takes you from the reigning monarch to:</li>
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</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f393.png" alt="🎓" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> The Professor 
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<li>step three takes you from the Professor to:</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f600.png" alt="😀" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Me </li>
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<p class="caption wp-block-paragraph"><br>Fall on your knees! <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Holy_Night">O hear the angel voices!</a> Alternatively, if you&#8217;re an agnostic <a href="https://www.republic.org.uk/">republican</a> like me who can&#8217;t tolerate watching any more nonsense on the premium subscription channel <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom">Monarchy+</a>, at least show some <code>R.E.S.P.E.C.T.</code> in this High Temple of Science. Despite my republican agnosticism combined with a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba">healthy dose of scepticism</a>, I dress appropriately, take my metaphorical shoes off and respectfully leave them by the door of the interview room. I am grateful, <em>incredibly</em> lucky and immensely privileged to have this unique once-in-a-lifetime opportunity of an interview and I really wanted to make the most of it. Bring it on!</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Stairway to Heaven or Highway to Hell?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In stark contrast to my interviewer, the only letters I had after my name were the humble&nbsp;<code>BSc (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honours_degree">Hons</a>)</code>. That&#8217;s a Bachelor of Science degree in <a href="https://speakerdeck.com/dullhunk/why-study-plants">Plant Sciences</a> with Industrial Experience, also known as a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich_degree">year in industry</a>. On being asked WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO, the letters <code>BSc (Hons)</code> were rapidly followed by a collection of other post-nominals including:&nbsp;</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><code>WTF</code>?&nbsp;</li>



<li><code>OMG</code></li>



<li><code>FFS</code>!</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>The only clubs I was a member of at the time were the <a href="https://manchesterstudentsunion.com/activities/view/Mountaineering-Climbing">climbing club</a> and the all inclusive&nbsp;<code>93%</code>&nbsp;club, a group for the overwhelming majority of the UK population educated in state schools. The <code>93%</code> club didn’t actually exist back then but I’m <em>really</em> glad it exists now.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">While I ended up as yet more&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadkill">roadkill</a>&nbsp;on the interview&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_to_Hell_(song)">highway to hell</a>, just another casualty of the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100026561">Oxford juggernaut</a>, I learned a painful, humiliating but important lesson about pride, or what&nbsp;<code>93%</code>&nbsp;clubbers call State School Pride.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-93bbc">9</a>)&nbsp;That&#8217;s a badge I&#8217;d been wary of because my mum, a very wise and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism">stoic</a> woman that I love and listen to, warned me about pride. “<em><a href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pride-comes-goes-before-a-fall">Pride comes before a fall</a>, Duncan</em>” &#8211; she said. She&#8217;s right, especially when you see <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/how_the_mighty_have_fallen">how the proud have fallen</a>, all those privately educated cocksure Oxford graduates. The likes of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair">Blair</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron">Cameron</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson">Johnson</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishi_Sunak">Sunak</a> haven&#8217;t exactly showered themselves in glory since graduating have they? When it comes to school badges, some of the alternatives to the pride badge are:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> State School Fear</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> State School Loathing</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> State School Shame</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> State School Embarassment</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> State School&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferiority_complex">Inferiority complex</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> State School&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome">Impostor syndrome</a></li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> State School Taboo: It&#8217;s a bit awkward, so let&#8217;s change the subject shall we?</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I’ve worn all those school badges and even been employed as a Science teacher in secondary schools that are accused of minting them such as the (supposed) <em>Scumbag College</em>. If you&#8217;re not familiar with the infamous College, it&#8217;s a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4243035.stm">bog standard comprehensive</a> state school in AnyTown, AnyWhere which feeds into another (supposed) <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074qw4">Scumbag College</a>, part of the University of AnyCity. These school badges are uncomfortable to wear, they don’t look good and they don’t help you, the school or the University you attended make a useful contribution to society. If you’re a state schooler like me, I don’t recommend wearing any of them unless you want to become squashed roadkill too. <br><br>If you haven&#8217;t already, you should burn these badges immediately and replace them with your State School Pride badge! <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f3f3-fe0f-200d-1f308.png" alt="🏳️‍🌈" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Whatever school badge you decide to wear, the education your school(s) gave you is a paradox. It’s both&nbsp;<em>incredibly relevant</em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>completely irrelevant</em>&nbsp;on your CV and in job interviews. My state schooling, funded by the taxpayer,&nbsp;<em>was</em>&nbsp;relevant because I’d been invited to interview thanks to years of hard work by my teachers. If it wasn’t for the teachers who patiently taught me (and my friends and my siblings) during thirteen years of primary and secondary school education I wouldn’t have been able to express myself to create a CV accompanied by a persuasive covering letter that convinced decision makers to interview me. If it wasn’t for my maths and science teachers, I would never have been able to study Science at University in the first place. My Mancunian teachers at the University of Manchester extended this education, building on the foundations of my compulsory state school education. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But at the same time, that very same education was completely irrelevant, it should not affect how I was  treated. Should it have even been an interview question at all?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In its defence, WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO is an open-ended question that invites the interviewee to challenge the authority of the interviewer. There are many possible answers to choose from including:&nbsp;<em>Why the hell are you asking me that</em>? I didn&#8217;t have either the guts or the gift of the gab to think of that under pressure. Rabbit. Headlights. Roadkill. On the other hand the irrelevance of the question will probably make the admissions and HR department blush because it doesn’t comply with their new EDI policy. <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f633.png" alt="😳" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The school anybody went to shouldn’t be a factor in either being invited to interview or being offered a job. With help from <a href="https://filmorite.com/">Viktor Polyakov</a> and <a href="https://www.93percent.club/team">Ellie Wardrope</a>, I recorded a video testimonial to that effect last month at the Founding Member’s Reception in Manchester of the <a href="https://www.93percent.club/">93percent.club</a>. Thanks to&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Pender">Sophie Pender</a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.93percent.club/team">Imogen Carr</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lorna-culpin-a5787879">Lorna Culpin</a>&nbsp;for inviting me to (and hosting) the reception at&nbsp;<a href="https://www.ey.com/">ey.com</a>. I had a blast, it was good to speak to you&nbsp;<a href="https://www.ada.ac.uk/page/?title=People&amp;pid=63&amp;people=259">Conor Churchman</a>&nbsp;from&nbsp;<a href="https://www.ada.ac.uk/">ada.ac.uk</a>, the National College for Digital Skills,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.law.ac.uk/resources/blog/diversity-matters-sarah-mohammad-qureshi/">Sarah Mohammed-Qureshi</a>&nbsp;from the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.law.ac.uk/">University of Law</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="https://uk.linkedin.com/in/benjamindhobbs">Benjamin Hobbs</a>&nbsp;from the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/">Greater Manchester Combined Authority</a>. I’m looking forward seeing you again and meeting more kindred spirits at future events online and in person. <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f64f.png" alt="🙏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Answer The Friendly Question (ATFQ)</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I need to practice what I preach by doing what I tell my students to do:&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATFQ">Answer The Friendly Question</a>&nbsp;<code>ATFQ</code>&nbsp;after carefully <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM">Reading The Friendly Question</a>&nbsp;<code>RTFQ</code>&nbsp;…</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">SO, WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? It’s not really any of my business and certainly won&#8217;t affect how I treat you. Wider society may differ so there’s an argument for making whatever kind of education you’ve had another&nbsp;<a href="https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights">protected characteristic</a>.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-amolceiling">10</a>)&nbsp;Just as your age, your race, your religion or beliefs, your sexual orientation, your gender, your disabilities, your marriage or civil partnership, your pregnancy and maternity, your education should not determine how you are treated either. These characteristics are covered by the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents">Equality Act of 2010</a>. Your education (private or state) is your own business, and you probably didn’t have that much say in which school you went to anyway.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><a href="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="146" data-attachment-id="10495" data-permalink="https://duncan.hull.name/2024/12/11/state-school-proud/all-3/" data-orig-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg" data-orig-size="5600,800" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="all" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=300" data-large-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=1024" src="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=1024" alt="" class="wp-image-10495" srcset="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=1024 1024w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=2048 2048w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=150 150w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=300 300w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=768 768w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/all-2.jpg?w=1440 1440w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Figure 3: Anyone can become an owner of an awesome 93% club enamel pin badge by joining us at <a href="https://www.93percent.club/join">93percent.club/join</a> <em><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4db.png" alt="📛" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></em></figcaption></figure>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What I definitely care about&nbsp;<code>100%</code>, is the school I went to, especially when asked in a high-stakes job interview where my reply is mocked by the abusive and memorable comment:</p>



<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"> “<strong>I&#8217;VE NEVER HEARD OF IT</strong>”! </p>
</blockquote>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At this point, my <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A6mon_(His_Dark_Materials)">dæmon</a> (that rabbit I was talking about) died a quick but horrible bloody death and although the interview continued, I was barely able to function, let alone be my very best. The education we receive is an integral part of who we are and what makes us, so when someone demeans it, its like they&#8217;ve had a head-on collision with your soul. Juggernauts and rabbits don&#8217;t work well together. <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f430.png" alt="🐰" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><br><br>I’m lucky and privileged to have attended the kind of state schools that never held me back and got me, my friends and my siblings to wherever we wanted to go. Thank you&nbsp;<a href="https://www.fitzmauriceschool.info/">Fitzmaurice Primary School</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="https://www.st-laurence.com/">St.&nbsp;Laurence School</a>. Thanks to my amazing state school teachers and thousands more professionals just like them working incredibly hard in an&nbsp;<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/19/the-guardian-view-on-the-teacher-shortage-flexibility-and-career-breaks-could-help">increasingly challenging state sector</a>&nbsp;to educate&nbsp;<em>EVERYONE</em>&nbsp;inclusively across the UK:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>regardless of their socio-economic background</li>



<li>regardless of their ability to pass an extrance exam</li>



<li>regardless of their families ability to pay the school fees, with or without VAT&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-pannick">11</a>)</li>



<li>regardless of their families ability to live in the catchment area of the “right” school</li>



<li>regardless of their ability to win competitive scholarships, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_Places_Scheme">assisted places</a> or other bursaries</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That’s an extraordinarily diverse group of&nbsp;<a href="https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-pupils-and-their-characteristics">millions of students in state schools across the UK</a>. I’m proud be one of them. I&#8217;m proud to be a card-carrying, badge-wearing, box-ticking, word-spreading and founding member of the UK’s&nbsp;<em>least</em>&nbsp;exclusive members club: the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.93percent.club/">93percent.club</a>. <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f4aa.png" alt="💪" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Join us in tackling inequality across the UK</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Not everyone educated in the state sector gets the headstart in life that I did.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-amolceiling">10</a>)&nbsp;As the former Education secretary&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Greening">Justine Greening</a>&nbsp;once put it, talent is spread evenly but opportunity is not.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-greening">12</a>)&nbsp;There is a&nbsp;<a href="https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/trade/the-class-ceiling">class ceiling</a>&nbsp;to accompany the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_ceiling">glass ceiling</a> which prevents many students educated in the state sector from getting the opportunities they deserve.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-classceiling">13</a>)&nbsp;That’s just plain wrong. It&#8217;s indefensible. It&#8217;s immoral and it&#8217;s an injustice. Unfortunately, the UK is still a country where the school you went to&nbsp;<em>definitely</em>&nbsp;counts, and the higher you want to go in pretty much <em>any</em> profession, the more it will tend to matter. Your education has a huge influence on how society treats you but unfortunately our educational system in the UK is riddled with inequality from the bottom up to the very top. The&nbsp;<a href="https://www.suttontrust.com/our-research/elitist-britain-2019/">Elitist Britain</a>&nbsp;report by&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martina_Milburn">Martina Milburn</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lampl">Peter Lampl</a>&nbsp;at the Social Mobility Commission and Sutton Trust provides an unappetising taster of the scale of the problem we face.&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-elitistbritain">14</a>)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Would you like to help us tackle inequality through the power of our community? Would you like to empower state-educated students by giving them access to more social capital, better opportunities, improved careers advice and more mentoring? By bringing together thousands of like-minded individuals across the country, we are breaking down the structural barriers to social mobility and building a future that’s fairer for the next generation. Find out how to join at&nbsp;<a href="https://www.93percent.club/join">93percent.club/join</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you’re a student studying at a University in the UK, see if your Students&#8217; Union has a 93% club, for example you could join:</p>



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<li>Manchester <a href="https://manchesterstudentsunion.com/activities/view/93club">manchesterstudentsunion.com/activities/view/93club</a></li>



<li>Durham <a href="https://www.durhamsu.com/groups/93-club-durham">durhamsu.com/groups/93-club-durham</a></li>



<li>Oxford <a href="https://www.oxfordsu.org/get-involved/clubs-and-societies/join/20312/">oxfordsu.org/get-involved/clubs-and-societies/join/20312/</a></li>



<li>Cambridge <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/the93clubcambridge">linkedin.com/company/the93clubcambridge</a></li>



<li>Imperial College London <a href="https://linktr.ee/93clubimperial">linktr.ee/93clubimperial</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If your Students&#8217; Union doesn&#8217;t have a 93% club yet, why don&#8217;t you start one?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">P.S. Sophie, speaking of word-spreading, when is the next episode of the&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3e8K1fcNbqck9k9pFIGlG8">WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO</a>&nbsp;podcast due? It’s been a while…&nbsp;(<a href="#ref-whatschooldidyougoto">15</a>)</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Epilogue</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">POST PUBLICATION UPDATE <strong>№</strong> 1: Several readers of this article have pointed out that the abuse I received is mild compared to the daily torrent of invective and unfair treatment they are subjected to as a non-male, non-white, non-heterosexual, non-middle class, non-binary, non-Southern English, non-privileged, non-<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Received_Pronunciation">RP</a>, non-whatever person. I agree with you. I&#8217;m definitely <strong>not</strong> claiming to be an excluded member of <em>any</em> under-represented, marginalised or minority group. Thanks to all those readers for correcting what I&#8217;d initially overlooked from my self-confessed position of middle-class middle-England mediocre male <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege">white privilege</a>. I&#8217;m doubly, triply or quadruply lucky that I don&#8217;t have to deal with anything like the same level of abuse and unfairness that many of you routinely do every single day. I can&#8217;t even <em>begin</em> to imagine what that must be like, I am definitely <strong>not</strong> claiming to <em>“feel your pain</em>”. Maybe (just maybe) I got the faintest whiff of it for a few minutes in a high-stakes job interview that didn&#8217;t go my way. So, yes abuse and unfairness might be an all too familar stench to you, but it was a new and unexpected odour for me at the time in the circumstances. Just sayin&#8217;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">POST PUBLICATION UPDATE <strong>№</strong> 2: A lot of abusive and unfair behaviour is not reported and goes on behind closed doors. The incident described above took place behind a closed door because it was a one-to-one interview, part two in a series of three. The other two interviews were much smoother, they must have been using the classic <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop,_bad_cop">good cop, bad cop</a> interrogation technique to give me a good grilling. I dealt with the fallout of this bad cop interview as many people do using the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_McCausland">Chris McCauseland</a> method of: “<a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001xvkz">I take every emotion, I dig a big hole, bury it in the ground and then I build a car park on top of it.</a>” I didn&#8217;t report or reflect on the experience very much, because it was too painful to do so and I blamed myself for my stoopid stoopid naive rookie interview technique. Other than briefly discussing it with close family and friends, it has been buried deep in my subconscious for 27 years. A bit like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_Years_Later">28 Years Later</a>, it re-emerged uninvited after a period of dormancy. So if you think I&#8217;m woefully ignorant of all the horrendous abuse and unfairness going on in the big bad world, I disagree. A big part of the problem is that people don&#8217;t talk about it, myself included. If you&#8217;re able to talk about it, don&#8217;t be yet another one of those people who buries bad behaviour . <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f926-200d-2640-fe0f.png" alt="🤦‍♀️" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">References</h2>



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<div class="csl-right-inline">Young A, Young M, Scott B. (1975). It’s a long way to the top (if you wanna rock ’n’ roll). In: Vanda H, Young G, editors. <span>T</span><span>N</span><span>T</span> [Internet]. AC/DC; Albert Productions; Available from: <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2550514">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2550514</a>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Figure 4: So tell me girls and boys, WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? “We went to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Rock">School of Rock</a> (<a href="#ref-schoolofrock">16</a>). Yeah Baby! It’s on the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_to_Hell_(song)">Highway to Hell</a> (<a href="#ref-highwaytohell">5</a>) because <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_Long_Way_to_the_Top_(If_You_Wanna_Rock_%27n%27_Roll)">It’s a Long Way to the Top (If You Went to a State School</a>) (<a href="#ref-longway">17</a>)” <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f3b8.png" alt="🎸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></em></p>



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					<description><![CDATA[Forty two years ago I wrote my first bit of software on a BBC Micro in the Code Club at Fitzmaurice Primary School. My bestie Branwen Munn and I were encouraged by our teacher, Mr. Jackson, as we typed our first instructions which looked something like this: Variations of this BASIC loop introduced millions of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Forty two years ago I wrote my first bit of software on a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro">BBC Micro</a> in the <a href="https://codeclub.org/">Code Club</a> at <a href="https://www.fitzmauriceschool.info/">Fitzmaurice Primary School</a>. My bestie <a href="https://soundcloud.com/branwenmunn">Branwen Munn</a> and I were encouraged by our teacher, Mr. Jackson, as we typed our first instructions which looked something like this:</p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Variations of this <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC">BASIC</a> loop introduced millions of school children like us to computing, especially those lucky enough to have access to a strange new machine called a <strong>COMPUTER</strong> which had just arrived in our school.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it was great to sit down with one of the two main designers of the BBC Micro (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Furber">Steve Furber</a>) earlier this year and talk about his career in Computing over the last 50 years, as he retired from 33 years of service at the University of Manchester. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some things we discussed when we spoke:</p>



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<li>What he and many of his 36 PhD students struggled with most in their research. From his first (<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nigel-paver/">Nigel Paver</a>) to his last: what advice would he offer his former self and fellow students?</li>



<li>Computing by post, with punched cards from the Manchester Grammar School in the sixties</li>



<li>How joining Cambridge University Gliding Club helped his interest in Computing take off</li>



<li>Building and commercialising <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpiNNaker">SpiNNaker</a> and its successors with <a href="https://spinncloud.com/">SpiNNcloud Systems GmbH</a>, <a href="https://www.ebrains.eu/">EBRAINS</a> and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Brain_Project">Human Brain Project</a></li>



<li>The design and manufacture of chips at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers">Acorn Computers</a>, arm, Apple, Intel, AMD, Broadcom, TSMC, IBM, Samsung, NVIDIA (etc) featuring <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Segars">Simon Segars</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Saxby">Robin Saxby</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rene_Haas">Rene Haas</a></li>



<li>What he would do if he were appointed the new Vice Chancellor of the University of Manchester instead of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Ivison">Duncan Ivison</a>?</li>



<li>Why <em>2001: A Space Odyssey</em> is his favourite film, The Moody Blues are his favourite band and music is important to him</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;ve any long journeys by planes, train &amp; automobiles over the holidays, you can download and enjoy this extended episode telling some of Steve&#8217;s remarkable story. You can listen to the interview by searching for <strong>Coding Your Future</strong> on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts and at <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/steve">www.cdyf.me/steve</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wishing you a happy holiday and a prosperous new year. <br><br>GOTO 2024.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[How can we get better at listening to student voices to improve teaching and learning in our Universities? This post summarises a talk I gave at the inaugural ITL Teaching &#38; Learning conference at the Pendulum Hotel in Manchester on July 6th 2023 tackling this question. It describes recording and publishing twelve interviews with undergraduate [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How can we get better at listening to student voices to improve teaching and learning in our Universities?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This post summarises a talk I gave at the <a href="https://www.staffnet.manchester.ac.uk/umitl/events/itl-conference/itl-conference-2023/">inaugural ITL Teaching &amp; Learning conference at the Pendulum Hotel in Manchester on July 6th 2023</a> tackling this question. It describes recording and publishing twelve interviews with undergraduate Computer Science students shown in figure 1 on their personal journey from student to professional. The interviews are available as an audio podcast called <em><a href="https://www.cdyf.me/hearing">Hearing your Future</a></em>.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><a href="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="341" data-attachment-id="10005" data-permalink="https://duncan.hull.name/2023/07/11/student-voices/alltwelve/" data-orig-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg" data-orig-size="2760,920" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="alltwelve" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=300" data-large-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=1024" src="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=1024" alt="" class="wp-image-10005" srcset="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=1024 1024w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=2048 2048w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=150 150w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=300 300w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=768 768w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/alltwelve.jpeg?w=1440 1440w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Figure 1: Twelve student voices from the last twelve months, interviewed and broadcast in twelve podcast episodes. From top left, Raluca, Jason, Brian, Carmen, Sneha, Alice, Jason, Ivo, Ingy, Nadine, Pedro and Amish. Portraits re-used from LinkedIn and Github with students permission.</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">According to Stephen Fry, “education is the sum of what&nbsp;<strong>students</strong>&nbsp;teach each other between lectures and seminars”. A more teacher-centric view of education would claim the opposite to be true, that education is primarily about what&nbsp;<strong>teachers</strong>&nbsp;teach their students, not what students teach other. Here&#8217;s how this old-school, chalk-and-talk view of education works: In lectures, seminars, labs and tutorials, teachers share their knowledge and expertise with students. While the Professors profess their monologues, the lecturers lecture, the educators educate, the teachers teach and the students study. Learners learn by watching, listening, reading and acting on the voices of their educators. Students are then examined, grades are given and that, in a nutshell, should be what the sum of education is. No?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The reality of course, is that education should be much more of a <em>dialogue</em>, a two-way conversation between students and teachers, rather than an expert-driven <em>monologue</em> to a passive audience. Both sides of this conversation need to be heard and in some cases, the student voices in these conversations can make valuable contributions, by co-creating curricula.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">All too often the student voice gets drowned out in the busy noise of pedagogy. The demands of teaching in higher education mean that staff don&#8217;t always sufficient time and resources to listen, especially when teaching classes of hundreds of students with many ongoing conversations. In this blog post, I&#8217;ll explain how you can amplify some important student voices in these conversations using audio podcasting. I&#8217;ll describe some of the costs and benefits of recording and publishing these conversations so that more people can hear and learn from these voices, not just students but their employers and their educators too.</p>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Student voices on employability</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Student voices are particularly important when it comes to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employability">employability</a>: enabling undergraduates to develop the professional skills that are essential to the workplace. I&#8217;ve been teaching professional skills and employability to Computer Science students for the last ten years at the University of Manchester. During this time, I&#8217;ve learned that there are many different voices and opinions that need to be heard. Which of these voices, written or spoken, do students pay attention to&nbsp;<strong>most</strong>? Is it:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;The voices of their employability tutors?</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;The voices of their Professors and lecturers?</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;The voices of their careers service consultants and advisors?</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;The voices of employers and alumni?</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;The voices of their friends and family?</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These voices all have their own influence, but in my experience, there&#8217;s one voice that is listened to above all others when it comes to employability and that is:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;The voices of their fellow students</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, one way to improve teaching and learning, is to maximise opportunities for students to learn from <em>each other</em> through peer learning and <a href="https://mazur.harvard.edu/research-areas/peer-instruction">peer instruction</a>. To do this, educators need to create more and better spaces for students to talk about their learning with each other and then amplify their voices.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are lots of different ways to do this, but one of the most important is through Peer Assisted Study Sessions&nbsp;(PASS) at <a href="https://www.peersupport.manchester.ac.uk/">peersupport.manchester.ac.uk</a>. These sessions allow more experienced students to pass on their knowledge to their less experienced, usually younger, peers. For example, the PASS scheme in Computer Science shown in figure 2, is run by my colleague&nbsp;<a href="https://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/thomas.carroll/">Thomas Carroll</a>. There is a focus on passing exams, but PASS is about <em>much</em> more than just improving students grades. It&#8217;s about students learning from and teaching each other as part of a student-led community.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><a href="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="537" data-attachment-id="9994" data-permalink="https://duncan.hull.name/2023/07/11/student-voices/pass-2/" data-orig-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg" data-orig-size="5522,2897" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="pass-2" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=300" data-large-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=1024" src="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=1024" alt="" class="wp-image-9994" srcset="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=1024 1024w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=2048 2048w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=150 150w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=300 300w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=768 768w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pass-2.jpg?w=1440 1440w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Figure 2: Peer Assisted Study Sessions (PASS) allow more experienced students pass on their knowledge to their less experienced peers. First years have PASS1 (in yellow), run by second and third year students. Second years have PASS2 (in green), where students returning from internships and placements share their knowledge about job hunting and interviews. PASS3+ (in pink) is where our alumni can get involved. CC-BY-SA picture by yours truly </figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As well as helping students to pass&nbsp;<em>academic</em>&nbsp;exams, our PASS scheme also helps students to pass&nbsp;<em>employers</em>&nbsp;“exams”. This includes written exams such as job applications and oral exams such as  interviews. This is a significant part of PASS2, where students returning from placements and internships share what they have learned with first and second year students.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Students are encouraged to take part in PASS, either as leaders, facilitators or participants, but the kinds of conversations that take place during these sessions often need to be amplified for those that aren&#8217;t in the room where it happens. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Over the last 12 months, I&#8217;ve been experimenting with using audio podcasts to record and publish some of these conversations as stories so they can heard by a wider audience. I&#8217;m calling them&nbsp;<strong>audio</strong>&nbsp;podcasts here to distinguish them from the <strong>video</strong>&nbsp;podcasts (lecture capture and catchup) you will find at&nbsp;<a href="https://mypodcasts.manchester.ac.uk/">mypodcasts.manchester.ac.uk</a>.&nbsp;You can subscribe and listen to <strong>audio</strong> podcasts wherever you get your podcasts, details at the end of this post.</p>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Essential podcast ingredients</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Channelling my inner <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Laverne">Lauren Laverne</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Al-Khalili">Jim Al-Khalili</a>, the podcast is a cross between the BBC shows&nbsp;<em><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qnmr">Desert Island Discs</a></em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015sqc7">The Life Scientific</a></em>. The resulting show is called&nbsp;<em><a href="https://www.cdyf.me/hearing">Hearing your Future</a></em>,  shown in figure 3, because it is part of an undergraduate course and guidebook called&nbsp;<em><a href="https://www.cdyf.me/">Coding your Future</a></em>&nbsp;aimed at all students of computing. </p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><a href="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="351" data-attachment-id="10003" data-permalink="https://duncan.hull.name/2023/07/11/student-voices/out/" data-orig-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png" data-orig-size="1665,571" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="out" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=300" data-large-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=1024" src="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=1024" alt="" class="wp-image-10003" srcset="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=1024 1024w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=150 150w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=300 300w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=768 768w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png?w=1440 1440w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/out.png 1665w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Figure 3: The <em><a href="https://www.cdyf.me/hearing">Hearing your Future</a></em> podcast is a cross between <em>Desert Island Discs</em> hosted by Lauren Laverne and <em>The Life Scientific</em> hosted by Jim Al-Khalili. Subscribe and listen wherever you get your podcasts. <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en">CC-BY-SA</a> Portrait of Lauren Laverne by Jwslubbock on Wikimedia Commons <a href="https://w.wiki/6z4z">w.wiki/6z4z</a>, <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en">CC-BY-SA</a> portrait of Jim Al-Khalili by Debbie Rowe at the Royal Society on Wikimedia Commons <a href="https://w.wiki/_w2fh">w.wiki/_w2fh</a>, <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/">CC-BY-ND</a> <em>Hearing your Future</em> artwork by <a href="https://visualthinkery.com/">Visual Thinkery</a>.</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The essential ingredients of this podcast are:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>Students: both graduands ready to graduate and recent graduates at the start of their career. Twelve students have been interviewed so far, with more episodes planned for the future.</li>



<li>A decent microphone, see figure 4.</li>



<li>Audio editing software, I&#8217;m using a free application called GarageBand&nbsp;<a href="https://www.apple.com/mac/garageband/">apple.com/mac/garageband</a></li>



<li>An audio podcast host, I&#8217;m using one called liberated syndication at&nbsp;<a href="https://libsyn.com/">libsyn.com</a></li>



<li>Some open ended questions for students to answer</li>
</ol>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><a href="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg"><img loading="lazy" width="800" height="450" data-attachment-id="9996" data-permalink="https://duncan.hull.name/2023/07/11/student-voices/mic/" data-orig-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg" data-orig-size="800,450" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="mic" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg?w=300" data-large-file="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg?w=800" src="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg?w=800" alt="" class="wp-image-9996" srcset="https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg 800w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg?w=150 150w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg?w=300 300w, https://duncan.hull.name/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/mic.jpeg?w=768 768w" sizes="(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Figure 4: Any investment you make in recording technology will pay you back with higher-fidelity audio. This particular microphone, a <a href="https://zoomcorp.com/en/gb/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h5/">Zoom H5</a>, is handy because it can be used in a portable battery-powered mode or connected to a computer via USB. CC-BY-SA picture by yours truly.</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The open-ended questions are key because I need to let students do most of the talking, acting as much more of a listener than a speaker. Think less<em> Professor Monologue</em>, the egocentric<em>&nbsp;“sage-on-the-stage</em>” who loves the sound of their own voice&nbsp;and more <em>Professor Dialogue</em>, the&nbsp;“<em>guide-on-the-side</em>” who facilitates discussion. [1] It sometimes takes effort for academics to suppress their public speaking instincts by talking <em>less</em> and listening <em>more</em> to what students have to say. Students are given five questions before the interview, with questions designed to encourage difficult conversations being optional. The five basic questions are:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f3b8.png" alt="🎸" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;What&#8217;s your story, (coding glory)?</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/270a-1f3fd.png" alt="✊🏽" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Minority report (optional)</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f451.png" alt="👑" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;You are the next vice chancellor (optional)</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f37f.png" alt="🍿" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;One tune, one book, one podast, one film</li>



<li><img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/23f1.png" alt="⏱" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&nbsp;Time traveller, advice to your former self</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Question <strong>one</strong> asks students to tell their story from why they studied computer science in the first place to where they are now. What obstacles have they faced in finding work and how did they overcome them? What has been their journey from student in year one to professional in year three or four? Every student has a different story to tell.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Question <strong>two</strong> asks students to reflect on their experience if they identify as a member of a minority group. What can employers and universities do to make campuses and workplaces more welcoming to members of their minority group? What has been their experience of being female, black, disabled or otherwise marginalised in computing? What can we do to make campuses more equal, diverse and inclusive spaces?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Question <strong>three</strong> asks students to imagine they are the next vice chancellor of the University of Manchester. Now that they are responsible for over 10,000 staff, 40,000 students and half a million alumni, what would they do to improve teaching and learning?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Question <strong>four</strong> is a personal one: students recommend a tune, a book, a podcast and a film and outline why these are important to them. Why do they recommend other students should watch, listen to or read them? This is the <em>Desert Island Discs</em> part, except we don&#8217;t cast students away to a remote island afterwards. It adds a personal touch to the stories students tell.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Finally, question <strong>five</strong> is another hypothetical one: given a time machine, if they could travel back to meet themselves in first year, what advice would they offer their former selves and fellow students about getting the most out of all the time and money they&#8217;ve invested in their University education?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I ask these simple, open-ended questions, sit back and enjoy listening to students answer them.</p>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Everything I had to know, I heard it on my radio</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As with radio broadcasting, there are costs and benefits of podcasting. The main cost is the time it takes to record, transcribe and edit each episode. Each interview takes an hour to record, more than an hour to transcribe and less than an hour to edit. These costs are relatively small, when you compare them to the cost of preparing a lecture (video lecture or live lecture), delivering a seminar, running a lab or facilitating a tutorial.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are many benefits that this investment in podcasting buys. From a teaching point of view, I&#8217;ve learnt more about the harsh realities of job hunting faced by Generation Z. It also gives me seriously useful content in the form of case studies. So when I&#8217;m talking to students about the need for resilience in their job search I can tell&nbsp;<a href="https://www.cdyf.me/brian">Brian&#8217;s story</a>, about finding a placement very late in the year (August) on LinkedIn. Don&#8217;t give up, it worked for Brian, maybe it will work for you too.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When discussing the importance of starting early, in first year, I can tell <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/alice">Alice&#8217;s story</a> about how spring insights in her first year gave her some valuable experience to help her subsequent job applications stand out in second year and beyond. Start early, it worked for Alice, maybe it will work for you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When discussing the inevitable rejection that comes with job applications, I can tell&nbsp;<a href="https://www.cdyf.me/amish">Amish&#8217;s story</a>&nbsp;about being rejected by&nbsp;<strong>all five </strong><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech">big tech companies</a> (Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook and Amazon) before landing a role he enjoyed with Bloomberg. Learn to live with rejection, it&#8217;s a normal part of job hunting but it will most likely work out for you in the end.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When talking about not overlooking smaller employers, I can tell&nbsp;<a href="https://www.cdyf.me/raluca">Raluca&#8217;s story</a>&nbsp;about how she worked for a local company called&nbsp;<a href="https://www.koder.ly/">Koder.ly</a>&nbsp;in Oldham at the end of her first year, then moved onto CERN for her placement year and subsequent graduate role. You can start small, think big and remember that experience matters. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When discussing the importance of networking, I can tell&nbsp;<a href="https://www.cdyf.me/jonathan">Jonathan&#8217;s story</a>&nbsp;about how he grew his professional network and found hidden vacancies by attending local tech meetups in Manchester. It&#8217;s not just what you know, it&#8217;s who you know.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These are just five short stories, from the twelve longer stories that students have shared with me. Recording them as podcasts has enabled me to amplify the student voice for more people to hear.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another benefit of the podcast is, it has strengthened our community of students, alumni and employers. With permission, students have shared their LinkedIn profiles to facilitate digital networking. This means that students can find out about and connect with peers they might never otherwise have spoken to. It has also helped staff and employers understand better what challenges students face in an increasingly competitive job market.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, what started as an experimental side project, has now become a key part of my teaching toolkit. It&#8217;s also has been rewarding to listen to and record students stories in an audio podcast format.</p>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Conclusions: a good face for radio? </h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Podcasting is a low cost tool with many benefits for teachers and learners alike. Audio is fantastic medium for recording conversations and stories, especially if (like me), you have a “good face for radio”. [2] Most students are much more comfortable talking to a microphone than a video camera, because having a natter over a brew is a very natural format. Podcasting forces me to spend more time thinking about dialogue and less time making flashy animations and graphically-driven PowerPoint monologues. In this case, it&#8217;s enabled me to focus on what students are teaching other, rather than what I <em>think</em> they need to learn, so I can improve the Intended Learning Outcomes (ILOs) for my courses.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The student voices I&#8217;ve chosen to amplify have been deliberately “cherry picked” so I can&#8217;t pretend that their voices are representative of the entire study body. However, recording a few key voices documents how students learn professional skills for the workplace in a way that other students can learn from. A lot of higher education focuses on a narrow set of academic and technical skills, alongside fundamental knowledge. These are important, but a rounded education should develop a much broader set of softer personal and social skills that are just as important to talk about and recognise as the hard technical skills. Education is the sum of <strong>all</strong> these skills and knowledge, students play as important a role in teaching each other as their teachers do, shown in figure 5.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the future, I plan to keep recording and broadcasting student voices to broaden the set of interviewees to include alumni who graduated further back in time. I welcome any comments on how these interviews can be improved in the future. Subscribe and listen wherever you get your podcasts:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Spotify:&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/3SFqaYk">spoti.fi/3SFqaYk</a></li>



<li>Apple:&nbsp;<a href="https://apple.co/3JFV5Qe">apple.co/3JFV5Qe</a></li>



<li>Amazon Music / Audible:&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/3OOaS0G">amzn.to/3OOaS0G</a></li>



<li>Google podcasts:&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5saWJzeW4uY29tLzI5OTE4OS9yc3M=">podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR…</a></li>



<li>Deezer: <a href="https://www.deezer.com/en/show/3839607">deezer.com/en/show/3839607</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As Stephen Fry points out, students play a crucial and often overlooked role in the education of their peers. Their voices need to be heard by a wider audience, not just their fellow students but their employers and educators too. Audio podcasting is a good way to amplify their voices. If you are a former student of Computer Science at the University of Manchester and would like to amplify your story about your personal journey from student to professional (and beyond), <a href="https://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/duncan.hull/contact">get in touch</a>. </p>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading">References</h1>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>King, Alison (1993) From Sage on the Stage to Guide on the Side, <em>College Teaching</em>, Vol. 41, No. 1 , pp. 30-35, DOI: <a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1080/87567555.1993.9926781">10.1080/87567555.1993.9926781</a></li>



<li>Mair, Eddie (2017) <a href="https://worldcat.org/title/1004823777">A Good Face for Radio: Confessions of a Radio Head</a> Little Brown publishing , ISBN:9781408710678</li>



<li>Fry, Stephen (2010) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fry_Chronicles">The Fry Chronicles</a> Penguin books, ISBN:0718157915</li>
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</div><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">A video of the presentation given at the <a href="https://blogs.manchester.ac.uk/itl/2023/07/14/the-importance-of-voices-the-itl-teaching-and-learning-conference-2023/">#ITLConf23</a> conference in Manchester at the Pendulum Hotel, 6th July 2023, see <a href="https://doi.org/kk47">doi.org/kk47</a> (Please excuse the audio errors and background noise in this recording, artefacts created by the software and microphone which I&#8217;m still learning to configure properly)</figcaption></figure>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Acknowledgements</h1>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks to all the students shown in figure 1 who took the time to tell me their stories: <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/raluca">Raluca Cruceru</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/jason">Jason Ozuzu</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/brian">Brian Yim Tam</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/carmen">Carmen Faura Práxedes</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/sneha">Sneha Kandane</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/alice">Alice Păcuraru</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/jonathan">Jonathan Cowling</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/ivo">Ivo Iliev</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/ingy">Ingy Abdelhalim</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/nadine">Nadine Abdelhalim</a>, <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/amish">Amish Shah</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.cdyf.me/pedro">Pedro Sousa</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks also to all the employers who&#8217;ve hosted these students as interns, placement students and graduates where they&#8217;ve learned professional skills that would be impossible to develop in a purely academic environment. These include Amazon Web Services <a href="https://www.aws.com">aws.com</a>, <a href="https://www.arm.com">arm.com</a>, <a href="https://home.barclays/">home.barclays</a>, <a href="https://home.cern">home.cern</a>, <a href="https://www.disney.com">disney.com</a>, <a href="https://www.disneyplus.com">disneyplus.com</a>, <a href="https://www.equalexperts.com">equalexperts.com</a>, Google, <a href="https://imago.cs.manchester.ac.uk/">imago.cs.manchester.ac.uk</a> (our student software company led by <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/suzanne.m.embury">Suzanne Embury</a>), <a href="https://www.infinityworks.com">infinityworks.com</a> (part of Accenture), <a href="https://www.koder.ly/">koder.ly</a>, <a href="https://www.matillion.com">matillion.com</a>, <a href="https://www.moneysupermarket.com">moneysupermarket.com</a>, <a href="https://www.morganstanley.com/">morganstanley.com</a>, <a href="https://www.nomura.com">nomura.com</a>, <a href="https://www.palantir.com">palantir.com</a>, <a href="https://www.publicissapient.com">publicissapient.com</a>, <a href="https://recursiveai.co.jp/en/">recursiveai.co.jp</a>, <a href="https://www.thg.com">thg.com</a> and <a href="https://www.wise.com">wise.com</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jez-lloyd-84077069">Jez Lloyd</a> for getting me into podcasting with the <a href="https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/cs-engagement">CS@Manchester podcast</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks to <a href="https://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/thomas.carroll/">Thomas Carroll</a> and <a href="http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~schalk/">Andrea Schalk</a> who are responsible for current and previous incarnations of our PASS scheme in Computer Science. <a href="https://studentnet.cs.manchester.ac.uk/ugt/pass/">studentnet.cs.manchester.ac.uk/ugt/pass</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/judith-williams-10b81623">Judy Williams</a>, Jennie Blake, Hannah Cobb, Holly Dewsnip-Lloyd, Lisa McDonagh, Freya Corrywright, Beth Rotherham, Emma Sanders, Patricia Clift Martin and everyone at the <a href="https://www.staffnet.manchester.ac.uk/umitl/">Institute for Teaching and Learning (ITL)</a> for organising the conference where this talk was first presented.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I look forward to an even <a href="https://duncan.hull.name/2023/07/11/itl-conference/">bigger and better ITL conference</a> in 2024!</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last week I attended the first Teaching and Learning conference in the Pendulum hotel, Manchester. It was really good and I got lots out of it. The sessions I attended were enjoyable and well organised, I learned heaps, made lots of new contacts and got some useful questions from the audience on my lightning talk [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Last week I attended the <a href="https://sway.office.com/dqqfb7kqJ05pRLKD">first Teaching and Learning conference in the Pendulum hotel, Manchester</a>. It was really good and I got lots out of it. The sessions I attended were enjoyable and well organised, I learned heaps, made lots of new contacts and got some useful questions from the audience on <a href="https://duncan.hull.name/2023/07/11/student-voices/">my lightning talk about podcasting the student voice</a>. If you&#8217;re thinking of attending or presenting next year, I&#8217;d thoroughly recommend it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks to <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/judith-williams-10b81623">Judy Williams</a>, Jennie Blake, Hannah Cobb, Holly Dewsnip-Lloyd, Lisa McDonagh, <a href="https://blogs.manchester.ac.uk/itl/2023/07/14/the-importance-of-voices-the-itl-teaching-and-learning-conference-2023/">Freya Corrywright</a>, Beth Rotherham, Emma Sanders, Patricia Clift Martin and everyone at the <a href="https://www.staffnet.manchester.ac.uk/umitl/">Institute for Teaching and Learning</a> (ITL) for organising a great conference. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As far as I know, this is the first time a conference of this size has been run at the University of Manchester, a beta release, version 1.0 if you like. There&#8217;s some significant ways it could be improved when it returns next year. Here&#8217;s three improvements that I&#8217;d like to see in the next release, version 2.0:</p>



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<li><strong>A more findable web presence and citable conference proceedings:</strong> The conference which provided a good venue for practitioners to publish their work on teaching, get feedback on it and credit for it. The proceedings are available on <a href="https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/">documents.manchester.ac.uk</a> but they are difficult to find and cite properly. To give authors due credit for their work, the conference needs to have a proper proceedings that can be cited. I&#8217;ve been involved in organising two similar teaching conferences in the UK: <a href="https://cepconference.webspace.durham.ac.uk/">CEP</a> and <a href="https://www.ukicer.com/">UKICER</a>. Both of these events have citable proceedings, each paper has its own URL and a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier">Digital Object Identifier</a> (DOI) so their authors can be cited and credited properly, see <a href="https://doi.org/kjdn">doi.org/kjdn</a> and <a href="https://doi.org/jbgm">doi.org/jbgm</a> for examples. Having a proceedings means appointing a <a href="https://cepconference.webspace.durham.ac.uk/organisation/">program committee</a> who get academic credit for peer reviewing the submissions. Yes, doing all this takes time and money, but also incentivises high quality submissions which their authors (and reviewers) can get due credit for. Proceedings will show up in search engine results and get citations. At the time of writing, the only relevant result that appears when you <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=teaching+and+learning+conference+manchester">Google for &#8220;teaching and learning conference manchester&#8221;</a> is the <a href="https://www.staffnet.manchester.ac.uk/news/display/?id=29635">call for papers from April</a> (the month not the dean), everything else about the conference is currently invisible. As far as the internet is concerned, the conference never happened.</li>



<li><strong>Better publicity:</strong> When I mentioned the conference to my colleagues, lots of them hadn&#8217;t heard about it, including many teaching focussed staff. Opportunities for teachers to get together and talk about the art (and science) of pedagogy are few and far between, so we need to let more people know that these kinds of events are happening. The announcement should go out far and wide, repeatedly but it wasn&#8217;t included in (for example) the weekly <a href="https://www.elearning.fse.manchester.ac.uk/fseta/">teaching academy</a> update from <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/andrew.weightman">Andy Weightman</a>, see <a href="https://staff.manchester.ac.uk/uomepscommslz/lz.aspx?p1=MPfDU1ODc1M1M1NTg4OkRFOTY2RjIyREMwRDlBNUJCMjk0RkIzMTAzQ0YzNDQ4-&amp;CC=&amp;p=0">here</a> for example. </li>



<li><strong>A bigger venue:</strong> The lack of publicity meant that some of my colleagues found out about the event late. When they tried to register they were told it was full and were turned away. Since its takes such a lot of effort to organise a conference of this size (with six parallel tracks!), it doesn&#8217;t make sense to turn late registrants away so, next year, we&#8217;re going to need a bigger <s>boat</s> venue to match the better publicity. </li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So thanks again to all the organisers, I look forward to attending an even bigger and better Teaching &amp; Learning conference in 2024.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[Update 14th July, after I published this post on 11th July some material from the conference was made available at <a href="https://www.staffnet.manchester.ac.uk/umitl/events/itl-conference/itl-conference-2023/">www.staffnet.manchester.ac.uk/umitl/events/itl-conference/itl-conference-2023/</a> no papers yet, mostly videos]</p>
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		<title>Some pros and cons of using bookdown and quarto to write books</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duncan Hull]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s a community of people here who use the R language to get stuff done known as the R Usergroup Manchester (RUM). We meet monthly to learn from each other. At the last meetup on 29th June, I gave a joint talk with Stavrina Dimosthenous about quarto.org and its predecessor bookdown.org. Following Stravrina&#8217;s quick introduction [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s a community of people here who use the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(programming_language)">R language</a> to get stuff done known as the <a href="https://research-it.manchester.ac.uk/news/2023/01/25/r-user-group-returns/">R Usergroup Manchester (RUM)</a>. We meet monthly to learn from each other. At the last meetup on 29th June, I gave a joint talk with <a href="https://www.royce.ac.uk/about-royce/people/stavrina-dimosthenous/">Stavrina Dimosthenous</a> about <a href="https://quarto.org/">quarto.org</a> and its predecessor <a href="https://bookdown.org/">bookdown.org</a>. Following Stravrina&#8217;s quick introduction to Quarto, I gave a lightning talk about some of the pros and cons of using bookdown to write books.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Since the talk was recorded, I&#8217;ve posted the video below, which is a lo-fi Microsoft Teams recording, which doesn&#8217;t include any of the Q&amp;A that followed.<br><br><a href="DR">TL:DR</a>; Bookdown and quarto are useful and very well documented tools for publishing books that can help you overcome some of the (many) limitations of Learning Management Systems like Blackboard. If you&#8217;re writing anything book shaped in your teaching (or elsewhere) I reckon that bookdown/quarto are good tools that are worth learning as they&#8217;ll help you to get stuff done.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks <a href="https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=AsuQzfUAAAAJ">Kamilla Kopec-Harding</a> for organising and hosting the talks, a promotional poster for which, you can see below. <img src="https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/wpcom-smileys/twemoji/2/72x72/1f64f.png" alt="🙏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><br></p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">References</h2>



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<li>Wickham, Hadley, and Garrett Grolemund. 2017.&nbsp;<em>R for Data Science</em>. O’Reilly UK Ltd.&nbsp;<a href="https://r4ds.had.co.nz/">r4ds.had.co.nz</a>.</li>



<li>Xie, Yihui. 2017.&nbsp;<em>Bookdown: Authoring Books and Technical Documents with R Markdown</em>. Boca Raton, Florida: Chapman; Hall/CRC.&nbsp;<a href="https://bookdown.org/yihui/bookdown/">bookdown.org/yihui/bookdown</a>.</li>



<li>Xie, Yihui, Christophe Dervieux, and Emily Riederer. 2020.&nbsp;<em>R Markdown Cookbook</em>. Boca Raton, Florida: Chapman; Hall/CRC.&nbsp;<a href="https://bookdown.org/yihui/rmarkdown-cookbook/">bookdown.org/yihui/rmarkdown-cookbook</a>.</li>
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