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		<title>Comment on BBC piece on psychotherapy regulation by Jan21</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/2010/03/bbc-piece-on-psychotherapy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-19140</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. I am a academic psychologist with a background in statistics, stats are fine if you know the limits of them....and mathmeticians no better, stats used in ideas of the mind are very very dubious tools.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19140"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. I am a academic psychologist with a background in statistics, stats are fine if you know the limits of them&#8230;.and mathmeticians no better, stats used in ideas of the mind are very very dubious tools.
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		<title>Comment on BBC piece on psychotherapy regulation by Jan21</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have "faith" in the healing power of relationships, but to quantify this is verging on the ridiculous.

When in a face to face with another human being, you either have "faith" that you are trying to "meet" the other....thats a risk we have to take.....it goes beyond quatification

A psychologist armed with statistical facts about theory is in no better shape to meet aanother human being than a lay person with no facts.....the lay person may be better for the lay person mayhave faith so to speak in the meeting&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19139"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have &#8220;faith&#8221; in the healing power of relationships, but to quantify this is verging on the ridiculous.</p>
<p>When in a face to face with another human being, you either have &#8220;faith&#8221; that you are trying to &#8220;meet&#8221; the other&#8230;.thats a risk we have to take&#8230;..it goes beyond quatification</p>
<p>A psychologist armed with statistical facts about theory is in no better shape to meet aanother human being than a lay person with no facts&#8230;..the lay person may be better for the lay person mayhave faith so to speak in the meeting
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		<title>Comment on BBC piece on psychotherapy regulation by Jan21</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/2010/03/bbc-piece-on-psychotherapy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-19138</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E, much of the claims of evidence based mental health research (i.e., CBT, and other froms of therapy) are extremely dubious. The use of statistics on human subjects to predict, get reliability, validity etc etc is highly questionable and fulled very much (the research) on subjective hunches, faith in conceptual "norms etc etc. 

Voodoo for exmaple, is crap from an empirical western popperian paradigm, but has real effects within the community that voodoo exists in. This does not mean its crap...it has real social effects in a context, just like psychoanalysis does.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19138"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E, much of the claims of evidence based mental health research (i.e., CBT, and other froms of therapy) are extremely dubious. The use of statistics on human subjects to predict, get reliability, validity etc etc is highly questionable and fulled very much (the research) on subjective hunches, faith in conceptual &#8220;norms etc etc. </p>
<p>Voodoo for exmaple, is crap from an empirical western popperian paradigm, but has real effects within the community that voodoo exists in. This does not mean its crap&#8230;it has real social effects in a context, just like psychoanalysis does.
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		<title>Comment on My CMHT Did Something Cool by emmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, ignore the crisis centre question, I found the survey on Infusion's website and have done that one too.

Em&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19137"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, ignore the crisis centre question, I found the survey on Infusion&#8217;s website and have done that one too.</p>
<p>Em
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		<title>Comment on Slapheads: Professions Allied to Medicine by Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Musclebound Melvin - a sub-species, OT crossed with a physio, a fitness instructor.  Not technically a slaphead, actually a nice chap, just looks un-nerving due to the fact his body is so well-developed he now looks like a condom that's been stuffed with wallnuts.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19136"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Musclebound Melvin &#8211; a sub-species, OT crossed with a physio, a fitness instructor.  Not technically a slaphead, actually a nice chap, just looks un-nerving due to the fact his body is so well-developed he now looks like a condom that&#8217;s been stuffed with wallnuts.
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		<title>Comment on My CMHT Did Something Cool by emmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks - have done the survey and left contact details. My experiences of detention have been quite poor at times so am glad someone is looking at the issue. Think there is a lot that could be improved in that area. I noticed from the Users forum newsletter (just skimmed it as concentration not great) there had been problems finding people to talk about the Crisis centre? I've used the service (well, tried to!) and have things to say about that too. Are they still looking for people to comment? I didn't know there was an evaluation. Always happy to comment..

Em&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19135"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8211; have done the survey and left contact details. My experiences of detention have been quite poor at times so am glad someone is looking at the issue. Think there is a lot that could be improved in that area. I noticed from the Users forum newsletter (just skimmed it as concentration not great) there had been problems finding people to talk about the Crisis centre? I&#8217;ve used the service (well, tried to!) and have things to say about that too. Are they still looking for people to comment? I didn&#8217;t know there was an evaluation. Always happy to comment..</p>
<p>Em
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		<title>Comment on BBC piece on psychotherapy regulation by E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regulation for psycotherapists raises a simple problem: it’s very hard to regulate practitioners who make claims based more on faith than evidence. In such a situation, what is your yardstick for whether a clinical decision was reasonable?  

If Freudian psychoanalysts are "taught" that the id is the seat of all our subconscious desires and sublimation and transference is the mechanism by which those desires are projected from one’s Mummy onto the therapist then it would be hard to say the fitness of any particular therapist was impaired because they would honestly believe this nonsense to be the case.

Similarly how do you “regulate” crystal healing or water dowsing when the “science” it is based on is obviously crap?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19134"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regulation for psycotherapists raises a simple problem: it’s very hard to regulate practitioners who make claims based more on faith than evidence. In such a situation, what is your yardstick for whether a clinical decision was reasonable?  </p>
<p>If Freudian psychoanalysts are &#8220;taught&#8221; that the id is the seat of all our subconscious desires and sublimation and transference is the mechanism by which those desires are projected from one’s Mummy onto the therapist then it would be hard to say the fitness of any particular therapist was impaired because they would honestly believe this nonsense to be the case.</p>
<p>Similarly how do you “regulate” crystal healing or water dowsing when the “science” it is based on is obviously crap?
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		<title>Comment on BBC piece on psychotherapy regulation by E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1,376,421/ 1,376,422 yawn&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19133"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1,376,421/ 1,376,422 yawn
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		<title>Comment on My CMHT Did Something Cool by doricgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>doricgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Em 

Thanks so much for replying - it's really nice to hear from someone who'd like to get involved.

We have put the survey up online here:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7CTRGL2

But you can also get a copy emailed to you or posted if you contact us through the website in the message above.  

We are involved in a lot of other stuff across Edinburgh and there's always scope for people to get involved and we send out a monthly newsletter too if you're interested.

Sorry not trying to do the hard sell, just excited to have people interested - thanks so much for replying.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19132"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Em </p>
<p>Thanks so much for replying &#8211; it&#8217;s really nice to hear from someone who&#8217;d like to get involved.</p>
<p>We have put the survey up online here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7CTRGL2" rel="nofollow">http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7CTRGL2</a></p>
<p>But you can also get a copy emailed to you or posted if you contact us through the website in the message above.  </p>
<p>We are involved in a lot of other stuff across Edinburgh and there&#8217;s always scope for people to get involved and we send out a monthly newsletter too if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
<p>Sorry not trying to do the hard sell, just excited to have people interested &#8211; thanks so much for replying.
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		<title>Comment on My CMHT Did Something Cool by doricgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>doricgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks DeeDee - I haven't quite finalised the fast track stuff but it should be in your letterbox soon if I can just get a day in the office!  Great that at least one person should be returning it though :).  If you want to get more involved or get more information our website is here (hope this is OK - it's a website for mental health collective advocacy):

www.capsadvocacy.org

And the Users Forum website is here:

www.edinburghusersforum.org

Really glad you're having a good experience here - and we're always really keen to hear from anyone with anything to say!  (I have to restrain myself somewhat now that I have a job in the sector and have a work AND service user hat - sometimes I only just mangage!).

I can post up things about what we are doing on this site though if you think that would be of any use - not sure if it fits in?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-19131"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks DeeDee &#8211; I haven&#8217;t quite finalised the fast track stuff but it should be in your letterbox soon if I can just get a day in the office!  Great that at least one person should be returning it though <img src='http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  If you want to get more involved or get more information our website is here (hope this is OK &#8211; it&#8217;s a website for mental health collective advocacy):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.capsadvocacy.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.capsadvocacy.org</a></p>
<p>And the Users Forum website is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edinburghusersforum.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghusersforum.org</a></p>
<p>Really glad you&#8217;re having a good experience here &#8211; and we&#8217;re always really keen to hear from anyone with anything to say!  (I have to restrain myself somewhat now that I have a job in the sector and have a work AND service user hat &#8211; sometimes I only just mangage!).</p>
<p>I can post up things about what we are doing on this site though if you think that would be of any use &#8211; not sure if it fits in?
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