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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Cocky Kurwenal</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228115</link>
		<dc:creator>Cocky Kurwenal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's wicked- who knew Lotte Lehmann sang Turandot? That Dame Gwyneth sang almost more Toscas there than anything else apart from 60-odd Fidelios? That she thought the Trov Leonora was still a good idea in 1984? Thanks for the link- fascinating stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s wicked- who knew Lotte Lehmann sang Turandot? That Dame Gwyneth sang almost more Toscas there than anything else apart from 60-odd Fidelios? That she thought the Trov Leonora was still a good idea in 1984? Thanks for the link- fascinating stuff.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Clita del Toro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clita del Toro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or too much poppers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or too much poppers!</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by CruzSF</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228113</link>
		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when opera boxes were handy and dandies were candy. Now, boxes have gone all to hell. Gelb hates opera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when opera boxes were handy and dandies were candy. Now, boxes have gone all to hell. Gelb hates opera.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by lorenzo.venezia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorenzo.venezia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grim: the first time I went to La Fenice (pre-fire), our box also had a "fainting"couch. They were for the ladies who often fainted from over-tightened whale-bone stays, or so I was told...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grim: the first time I went to La Fenice (pre-fire), our box also had a &#8220;fainting&#8221;couch. They were for the ladies who often fainted from over-tightened whale-bone stays, or so I was told&#8230;</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by armerjacquino</title>
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		<dc:creator>armerjacquino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicked from Twitter- the Vienna Staatsoper archive:

http://db-staatsoper.die-antwort.eu/

I'm enjoying the search-by-role option...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicked from Twitter- the Vienna Staatsoper archive:</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m enjoying the search-by-role option&#8230;</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by grimoaldo</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228110</link>
		<dc:creator>grimoaldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice the way you could draw the curtain in these  boxes at the opera house at that time and get up to whatever you wanted to in in complete privacy - and with a handy Couch right there.
A few drinks, a little dalliance, some nice food - and actually draw back the curtain and watch the opera for a few minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice the way you could draw the curtain in these  boxes at the opera house at that time and get up to whatever you wanted to in in complete privacy &#8211; and with a handy Couch right there.<br />
A few drinks, a little dalliance, some nice food &#8211; and actually draw back the curtain and watch the opera for a few minutes.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by m. croche</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228109</link>
		<dc:creator>m. croche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I stumbled over Cruikshanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I stumbled over Cruikshanks.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by armerjacquino</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228108</link>
		<dc:creator>armerjacquino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Cruikshank, acksh. But you're right about 1818- don't know why there are so many google hits for 1835.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Cruikshank, acksh. But you&#8217;re right about 1818- don&#8217;t know why there are so many google hits for 1835.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by armerjacquino</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228107</link>
		<dc:creator>armerjacquino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, should have googled. It is indeed Cruikshank, but not the one I thought- not George but his brother Robert, and is dated 1835.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, should have googled. It is indeed Cruikshank, but not the one I thought- not George but his brother Robert, and is dated 1835.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by m. croche</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228106</link>
		<dc:creator>m. croche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Cruikshank, 1818.

http://tinyurl.com/7typ3yk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Cruikshank, 1818.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by armerjacquino</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-4/#comment-228105</link>
		<dc:creator>armerjacquino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a guess, but I'd put this in the 1830s judging by the clothing. But it looks Cruikshank-y to me, so could be any time after 1820ish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a guess, but I&#8217;d put this in the 1830s judging by the clothing. But it looks Cruikshank-y to me, so could be any time after 1820ish.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Camille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I ask this regarding the picture of the "Fellos" above... Which decade of the 19th c. would this possibly be?  I love the way the "linnens" are brought up and around the neck and like unto Lord Byron's pictures. Just curious. Also, their exceedingly twig-like limbs----I seem to recall having read something to the effect that the "Dandys" resembled roosters (or capons), what with their exaggerated puffed-out bosoms and long, thin stems. 

Just curious about matters of dress. Reckon there was a lot of work involved managing and keeping up their toilettes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I ask this regarding the picture of the &#8220;Fellos&#8221; above&#8230; Which decade of the 19th c. would this possibly be?  I love the way the &#8220;linnens&#8221; are brought up and around the neck and like unto Lord Byron&#8217;s pictures. Just curious. Also, their exceedingly twig-like limbs&#8212;-I seem to recall having read something to the effect that the &#8220;Dandys&#8221; resembled roosters (or capons), what with their exaggerated puffed-out bosoms and long, thin stems. </p>
<p>Just curious about matters of dress. Reckon there was a lot of work involved managing and keeping up their toilettes.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by ljushuvud</title>
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		<dc:creator>ljushuvud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cocky Kurwenal
You can read the entire interview with Kaufmann here:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/apr/26/tenor-stage-interview-jonas-kaufmann/?pagination=false</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cocky Kurwenal<br />
You can read the entire interview with Kaufmann here:<br />
<a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/apr/26/tenor-stage-interview-jonas-kaufmann/?pagination=false" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/apr/26/tenor-stage-interview-jonas-kaufmann/?pagination=false</a></p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Clita del Toro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clita del Toro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Camille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feldmarschallin, bitte---
May I congratulate you on having the good luck and good sense to live in a city wherein one may hear a legitimate sounding SIEGFRIED?!!  Tuning into the very end of the third act yesterday, I was surprised and heartened to hear such a Siegfried und Brünnhilde. Not Flagstad and Melchior, but neither one was a FAKER.  München is really sounding good to me, plus that beautiful theatre, sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feldmarschallin, bitte&#8212;<br />
May I congratulate you on having the good luck and good sense to live in a city wherein one may hear a legitimate sounding SIEGFRIED?!!  Tuning into the very end of the third act yesterday, I was surprised and heartened to hear such a Siegfried und Brünnhilde. Not Flagstad and Melchior, but neither one was a FAKER.  München is really sounding good to me, plus that beautiful theatre, sigh.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by oedipe</title>
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		<dc:creator>oedipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smokers are, of course, a large, discriminated-against minority in France and their vote will make a difference in the upcoming legislative elections.  So there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smokers are, of course, a large, discriminated-against minority in France and their vote will make a difference in the upcoming legislative elections.  So there!</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Nerva Nelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerva Nelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-operatic?  Hell, Bart Sher will steal that for his Norn Scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-operatic?  Hell, Bart Sher will steal that for his Norn Scene.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Clita del Toro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clita del Toro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An old joke (non-operatic);

Three ladies were discussing the travails of getting older. One said, 
"Sometimes I catch myself with a jar of mayonnaise in my hand, while 
standing in front of the refrigerator, and I can't remember whether I need 
to put it away, or start making a sandwich."

The second lady chimed in with, "Yes, sometimes I find myself on the landing 
of the stairs and can't remember whether I was on my way up or on my way 
down."

The third one responded, " Well, ladies, I'm glad I don't have that problem. 
Knock on wood," as she rapped her knuckles on the table, and then said, 
"That must be the door, I'll get it!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An old joke (non-operatic);</p>
<p>Three ladies were discussing the travails of getting older. One said,<br />
&#8220;Sometimes I catch myself with a jar of mayonnaise in my hand, while<br />
standing in front of the refrigerator, and I can&#8217;t remember whether I need<br />
to put it away, or start making a sandwich.&#8221;</p>
<p>The second lady chimed in with, &#8220;Yes, sometimes I find myself on the landing<br />
of the stairs and can&#8217;t remember whether I was on my way up or on my way<br />
down.&#8221;</p>
<p>The third one responded, &#8221; Well, ladies, I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t have that problem.<br />
Knock on wood,&#8221; as she rapped her knuckles on the table, and then said,<br />
&#8220;That must be the door, I&#8217;ll get it!&#8221;</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by m. croche</title>
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		<dc:creator>m. croche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy: no Rabelais for you!

The very origins of Greek comedy are in phallic rituals.  I think a "tit" joke is perfectly appropriate at the end of Siegfried and a healthy reminder of the biological imperatives which underscore the happy endings of comedy.  (Strictly speaking, Siegfried doesn't really seem like a comedy - it's more of a generically unique Bildungsromanoper.   But it's got some comic traits to it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy: no Rabelais for you!</p>
<p>The very origins of Greek comedy are in phallic rituals.  I think a &#8220;tit&#8221; joke is perfectly appropriate at the end of Siegfried and a healthy reminder of the biological imperatives which underscore the happy endings of comedy.  (Strictly speaking, Siegfried doesn&#8217;t really seem like a comedy &#8211; it&#8217;s more of a generically unique Bildungsromanoper.   But it&#8217;s got some comic traits to it.)</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Cuban_Stallion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuban_Stallion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest La Cieca,

Perhaps what irks in Mr. Woolfe's comment is the impression that he is making a generalization about a population -- or a segment thereof -- from one performance.  I was at the opening night performance and, although I cannot recall the audience reaction to the Nozze snippets (and, honestly, in the grand scheme of dramatic arc and such, I am perplexed why a critic would hone in on that fleeting passage to make such a controversial point), there was plenty of audience reaction throughout the entire evening.  I admit that Mr. Woolfe did not say "casting pearls before swine" (perhaps the implication could be excavated with scant effort?), but let me preemptively make it clear that there were not 2000+ piggies in Walt Disney Hall that evening.  It was an engaged, perfumed audience.

And, finally, what does any of this have to do with writing a review of an opera performance?  We are interested in the critic's perspective, irrespective of whether or not she/he was in sync with the audience.

(Yes, I was born and raised in Los Angeles and I am defending my people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest La Cieca,</p>
<p>Perhaps what irks in Mr. Woolfe&#8217;s comment is the impression that he is making a generalization about a population &#8212; or a segment thereof &#8212; from one performance.  I was at the opening night performance and, although I cannot recall the audience reaction to the Nozze snippets (and, honestly, in the grand scheme of dramatic arc and such, I am perplexed why a critic would hone in on that fleeting passage to make such a controversial point), there was plenty of audience reaction throughout the entire evening.  I admit that Mr. Woolfe did not say &#8220;casting pearls before swine&#8221; (perhaps the implication could be excavated with scant effort?), but let me preemptively make it clear that there were not 2000+ piggies in Walt Disney Hall that evening.  It was an engaged, perfumed audience.</p>
<p>And, finally, what does any of this have to do with writing a review of an opera performance?  We are interested in the critic&#8217;s perspective, irrespective of whether or not she/he was in sync with the audience.</p>
<p>(Yes, I was born and raised in Los Angeles and I am defending my people.)</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by grimoaldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>grimoaldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"armerjacquino says:
grim- seriously? Those operas actually make you laugh? Laugh the way you would at a stage or film comedy?

Not being snarky, genuinely interested."

Well of course it does depend on the performance, but yes, they do make me laugh if they are done well.
Also Handel's Serse and Partenope.
I know I am sort of atypical, or maybe weird, but that is the truth, but then you have to take into account that I think that Offenbach's opera bouffes like La Belle Helene and the best of G&amp;S like Ruddigore are just about the funniest things in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;armerjacquino says:<br />
grim- seriously? Those operas actually make you laugh? Laugh the way you would at a stage or film comedy?</p>
<p>Not being snarky, genuinely interested.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well of course it does depend on the performance, but yes, they do make me laugh if they are done well.<br />
Also Handel&#8217;s Serse and Partenope.<br />
I know I am sort of atypical, or maybe weird, but that is the truth, but then you have to take into account that I think that Offenbach&#8217;s opera bouffes like La Belle Helene and the best of G&amp;S like Ruddigore are just about the funniest things in the world.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Batty Masetto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Batty Masetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another line I like in Meistersinger: When Sachs starts hollering, Beckmesser frets “Am End' denkt sie gar, dass ich das sei!” Which is fun because Sachs has a better song (and often a better voice) than he does anyway.

Von Stade was a funny Despina-Doctor in SFO, helped by a few good sight gags (including a big weird electro-whatzis machine and a terrifying hypodermic she could brandish). 

Michael Sumuel made the most of his drag turn as Elviro in Xerxes last season. Steven Cole as Flute in the Pyramus &amp; Thisbe part of Midsummer Night’s Dream was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen anywhere. I thought Keenlyside had some very funny moments of physical comedy as Papageno in the McVicar production. I rather liked the tangled-limbs trio in the Met's Comte Ory, and Michel Sénéchal could be a scream when he wanted to be. Pelly's Offenbach is often a delight.

Just to list a few.

I’d agree that opera doesn’t do laughs all that well in practice, but I think that’s often more a matter of weak direction or acting than a shortcoming inherent in the form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another line I like in Meistersinger: When Sachs starts hollering, Beckmesser frets “Am End&#8217; denkt sie gar, dass ich das sei!” Which is fun because Sachs has a better song (and often a better voice) than he does anyway.</p>
<p>Von Stade was a funny Despina-Doctor in SFO, helped by a few good sight gags (including a big weird electro-whatzis machine and a terrifying hypodermic she could brandish). </p>
<p>Michael Sumuel made the most of his drag turn as Elviro in Xerxes last season. Steven Cole as Flute in the Pyramus &amp; Thisbe part of Midsummer Night’s Dream was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen anywhere. I thought Keenlyside had some very funny moments of physical comedy as Papageno in the McVicar production. I rather liked the tangled-limbs trio in the Met&#8217;s Comte Ory, and Michel Sénéchal could be a scream when he wanted to be. Pelly&#8217;s Offenbach is often a delight.</p>
<p>Just to list a few.</p>
<p>I’d agree that opera doesn’t do laughs all that well in practice, but I think that’s often more a matter of weak direction or acting than a shortcoming inherent in the form.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Nerva Nelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerva Nelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, here is something for Natalie Dessay to champion between memorizing Russian verb stems and brushing up on suitcase gags:

http://tinyurl.com/7fdwn9j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, here is something for Natalie Dessay to champion between memorizing Russian verb stems and brushing up on suitcase gags:</p>
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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by CruzSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Nerva Nelli</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-3/#comment-228091</link>
		<dc:creator>Nerva Nelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy Ann:

WOTAN: "Take my wife- PLEASE!"

WALTRAUTE: "Just flew in from Valhalla-- boy are my wings tired..."

GURNEMANZ to Esquires: "Three Jews walked into a bar..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy Ann:</p>
<p>WOTAN: &#8220;Take my wife- PLEASE!&#8221;</p>
<p>WALTRAUTE: &#8220;Just flew in from Valhalla&#8211; boy are my wings tired&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>GURNEMANZ to Esquires: &#8220;Three Jews walked into a bar&#8230;&#8221;</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Betsy_Ann_Bobolink</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-3/#comment-228090</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy_Ann_Bobolink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you've done stand-up, you know the old rule: if you've got a slow crowd, tell airline food jokes.  If that doesn't work, go to tit jokes, and as a last resort, poop jokes.  "Das ist kein Mann" is a tit joke, which indicates that Wagner knew he had a real bomb on his hands, and airline food jokes weren't going to cut it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you&#8217;ve done stand-up, you know the old rule: if you&#8217;ve got a slow crowd, tell airline food jokes.  If that doesn&#8217;t work, go to tit jokes, and as a last resort, poop jokes.  &#8220;Das ist kein Mann&#8221; is a tit joke, which indicates that Wagner knew he had a real bomb on his hands, and airline food jokes weren&#8217;t going to cut it.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by oedipe</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-3/#comment-228089</link>
		<dc:creator>oedipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laughing at the Opera -especially when it comes to "wit", rather than "humor" (thank you, m.croche)- is very much a cultural phenomenon, in the sense that audiences in different countries/parts of the world will laugh at different things.  I am not sure what this says, but our expectations and judgements about people should take this into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laughing at the Opera -especially when it comes to &#8220;wit&#8221;, rather than &#8220;humor&#8221; (thank you, m.croche)- is very much a cultural phenomenon, in the sense that audiences in different countries/parts of the world will laugh at different things.  I am not sure what this says, but our expectations and judgements about people should take this into account.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Encouraging young things to grow by La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/encouraging-young-things-to-grow/comment-page-1/#comment-228088</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To which La Cieca will surely reply, "Please! Why so formal? &lt;I&gt;Do&lt;/i&gt; call me me Margherita!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To which La Cieca will surely reply, &#8220;Please! Why so formal? <i>Do</i> call me me Margherita!&#8221;</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by CruzSF</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-3/#comment-228087</link>
		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 18:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cocky, the line was played for humor in the production I saw. Maybe it was a case of Director's Liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cocky, the line was played for humor in the production I saw. Maybe it was a case of Director&#8217;s Liberty.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A dandy intermission feature by Cocky Kurwenal</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2012/05/27/a-dandy-intermission-feature/comment-page-3/#comment-228086</link>
		<dc:creator>Cocky Kurwenal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 18:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely Das ist kein Mann isn't an intentional joke on Wagner's part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely Das ist kein Mann isn&#8217;t an intentional joke on Wagner&#8217;s part?</p>

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