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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-11-06) by Jonathan Weiß</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Weiß</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stefan,


thank you for your feedback. :-) I also agree that there are points on which we can do better (marketing and concentrate on functionality not only technology).

But there is no "one and only way" to do a thing. We do not want to set a standard in the world. Everybody is free to use qooxdoo, if he wants to, but we do not have a problem with people using other frameworks or technologies.

qooxdoo will survive as long as we have the powerful sponsor 1&amp;1. Please keep in mind that this company pays all core developers and our tools. I would say that, apart from YUI, no other framework gets this much support from a company. Please do not only see the little attention qooxdoo that gets to judge our survivability.

Cheers
Jonathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stefan,</p>
<p>thank you for your feedback. <img src='http://news.qooxdoo.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I also agree that there are points on which we can do better (marketing and concentrate on functionality not only technology).</p>
<p>But there is no &#8220;one and only way&#8221; to do a thing. We do not want to set a standard in the world. Everybody is free to use qooxdoo, if he wants to, but we do not have a problem with people using other frameworks or technologies.</p>
<p>qooxdoo will survive as long as we have the powerful sponsor 1&#038;1. Please keep in mind that this company pays all core developers and our tools. I would say that, apart from YUI, no other framework gets this much support from a company. Please do not only see the little attention qooxdoo that gets to judge our survivability.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Jonathan</p>
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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-11-06) by aaloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've just have given Closure a fast sight but my first impression is that it's oriented to a different application target. Actually I see Qooxdoo as a tool that make you to substitute desktop application for the enterprise and Closure as a way to develop applications that would require lesser interface capabilities where you do not want to emulate a desktop application, just give the user a more friendly experience. Just like actually Google has with GWT.

Documentation in Qooxdoo actually is nearly as good as Closure, but it's still far from the documentation you would find in projects as Django. In my opinion more entry tutorials are needed to show common tasks, it would be nice to have a step by step tutorial about how to create a database oriented application like the Django tutorial.

I do not agree with Stefan, Django few years ago was less known than Qooxdoo and now just read http://jacobian.org/writing/django-community-2009/.

And yes, I'm Django biased, I have connected Django with Qooxdoo with success and I can see that the entry level for Qooxdoo it too high for the common user. So for me it's not a matter of marketing it's a matter of making the entry level step lower. I like to see a tutorial making a database application using Django and Qooxdoo, perhaps using jsQt to create the screens.

The amount an quality of Qooxdoo widgets is impressive, but it still lacks from an official rich text editor and a more sophisticated table grid, perhaps it doesn't need to be as the Extjs one, but it would be great to have a jqGrid clone.

Actually I feel Qooxdoo is one of the best tools to create RIAs, it just needs to show the world how business tasks could be made, and for me business means database access and authorization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just have given Closure a fast sight but my first impression is that it&#8217;s oriented to a different application target. Actually I see Qooxdoo as a tool that make you to substitute desktop application for the enterprise and Closure as a way to develop applications that would require lesser interface capabilities where you do not want to emulate a desktop application, just give the user a more friendly experience. Just like actually Google has with GWT.</p>
<p>Documentation in Qooxdoo actually is nearly as good as Closure, but it&#8217;s still far from the documentation you would find in projects as Django. In my opinion more entry tutorials are needed to show common tasks, it would be nice to have a step by step tutorial about how to create a database oriented application like the Django tutorial.</p>
<p>I do not agree with Stefan, Django few years ago was less known than Qooxdoo and now just read <a href="http://jacobian.org/writing/django-community-2009/" rel="nofollow">http://jacobian.org/writing/django-community-2009/</a>.</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;m Django biased, I have connected Django with Qooxdoo with success and I can see that the entry level for Qooxdoo it too high for the common user. So for me it&#8217;s not a matter of marketing it&#8217;s a matter of making the entry level step lower. I like to see a tutorial making a database application using Django and Qooxdoo, perhaps using jsQt to create the screens.</p>
<p>The amount an quality of Qooxdoo widgets is impressive, but it still lacks from an official rich text editor and a more sophisticated table grid, perhaps it doesn&#8217;t need to be as the Extjs one, but it would be great to have a jqGrid clone.</p>
<p>Actually I feel Qooxdoo is one of the best tools to create RIAs, it just needs to show the world how business tasks could be made, and for me business means database access and authorization.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-11-06) by Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article here seems to be a little bit drastically phrased. Sure it is a concern that Google has released a framework too. The problem for qooxdoo is two-fold:
1. Google is a big arena and qooxdoo can not be seen
2. Google has resources and qooxdoo almost none
3. Googles sets a standard but qooxdoo can not now, it is too late. Qooxdoo had the chance 3 years ago.
4. Google has a good mixture of tech and market, while qooxdoo is purely tech and no market
5. Google has developed with a huge force behind, while qooxdoo is a small bunch tech freaks developing it instead of increasing te spread od development as for example MySQL did.

I like Qooxdoo technically, but I can tell you that most will not choose qooxdoo as it is not and will probably never become a standard. If Qooxdoo is going to survive the market it needs to:
1. spread development on more heads around the world
2. orient the package less technically and more functional
3. look at marketing the package
4. cooperate with partners like IBM etc. antagonists to Google

If you do the above then there may be a chance for qooxdoo will survive on the market and become something it deserves and that is far beyond a "local" German project.

Think big now guys!!!!!!

Guys, thanks for a fantastic package,......but.......... it is not enough for the market to accept!!!! You need to do more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article here seems to be a little bit drastically phrased. Sure it is a concern that Google has released a framework too. The problem for qooxdoo is two-fold:<br />
1. Google is a big arena and qooxdoo can not be seen<br />
2. Google has resources and qooxdoo almost none<br />
3. Googles sets a standard but qooxdoo can not now, it is too late. Qooxdoo had the chance 3 years ago.<br />
4. Google has a good mixture of tech and market, while qooxdoo is purely tech and no market<br />
5. Google has developed with a huge force behind, while qooxdoo is a small bunch tech freaks developing it instead of increasing te spread od development as for example MySQL did.</p>
<p>I like Qooxdoo technically, but I can tell you that most will not choose qooxdoo as it is not and will probably never become a standard. If Qooxdoo is going to survive the market it needs to:<br />
1. spread development on more heads around the world<br />
2. orient the package less technically and more functional<br />
3. look at marketing the package<br />
4. cooperate with partners like IBM etc. antagonists to Google</p>
<p>If you do the above then there may be a chance for qooxdoo will survive on the market and become something it deserves and that is far beyond a &#8220;local&#8221; German project.</p>
<p>Think big now guys!!!!!!</p>
<p>Guys, thanks for a fantastic package,&#8230;&#8230;but&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. it is not enough for the market to accept!!!! You need to do more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Towards Package-local Data by Thomas Herchenröder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Herchenröder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sebastian It's a first whack at the issue, maybe we'll further adjust this. As I wrote in the post, it's not only about keeping packages at a certain size level. It's about keeping alternative parts separate, together with their resources. In the example with the themes, the packages with the theme classes alone were ultimately small (&lt;1kb), and would have merged easily into a larger package. But as they draw in a lot of resource info, this would have blown up the receiving package beyond 500kb. Blocking the private packages from merging kept each of them on an acceptable 120kb level eventually, and only one of them would be loaded at run time anyway. The others, amounting to about 360kb, could be left on disk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sebastian It&#8217;s a first whack at the issue, maybe we&#8217;ll further adjust this. As I wrote in the post, it&#8217;s not only about keeping packages at a certain size level. It&#8217;s about keeping alternative parts separate, together with their resources. In the example with the themes, the packages with the theme classes alone were ultimately small (&lt;1kb), and would have merged easily into a larger package. But as they draw in a lot of resource info, this would have blown up the receiving package beyond 500kb. Blocking the private packages from merging kept each of them on an acceptable 120kb level eventually, and only one of them would be loaded at run time anyway. The others, amounting to about 360kb, could be left on disk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Towards Package-local Data by Sebastian Werner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. Just one question. Wouldn't it be more useful to have "keep-private-packages-under" : "20kb" instead of "no-merge-private-package"? Would be a little more flexible. Finally it makes no sense to create a 5KB JS file which is loaded separately, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. Just one question. Wouldn&#8217;t it be more useful to have &#8220;keep-private-packages-under&#8221; : &#8220;20kb&#8221; instead of &#8220;no-merge-private-package&#8221;? Would be a little more flexible. Finally it makes no sense to create a 5KB JS file which is loaded separately, right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-10-30) by Christian Boulanger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Boulanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

the code I used for "API forwarding" is incorrect. In PHP (4 and5), you cannot call a method directly on a newly instantiated object as you can do in JavaScript -- e.g., (new Date).getTime(); -- so the forwarding has to be done in two steps:

function method_methodSignature( $method ) {
  $s = new ServiceIntrospection( $this )
  return $s-&gt;method_methodSignature( $method);
}

Sorry for the glitch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>the code I used for &#8220;API forwarding&#8221; is incorrect. In PHP (4 and5), you cannot call a method directly on a newly instantiated object as you can do in JavaScript &#8212; e.g., (new Date).getTime(); &#8212; so the forwarding has to be done in two steps:</p>
<p>function method_methodSignature( $method ) {<br />
  $s = new ServiceIntrospection( $this )<br />
  return $s-&gt;method_methodSignature( $method);<br />
}</p>
<p>Sorry for the glitch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-10-23) by Stefan A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful contribution Christian!!!!! This is the best which has happened during the last 6 months!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful contribution Christian!!!!! This is the best which has happened during the last 6 months!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-10-09) by Fritz Zaucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz Zaucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You'll have to check the licenses of jqPlot and Qooxdoo to answer this question. I am not an expert of OSS licensing, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll have to check the licenses of jqPlot and Qooxdoo to answer this question. I am not an expert of OSS licensing, sorry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-10-16) by Isaak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I just love the automatic resize feature!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I just love the automatic resize feature!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The week in qooxdoo (2009-10-09) by Kevinol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevinol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, i didnt mean the demo code, i was regarding implementing jqPlot.
Can i use jqPlot together with qooxdoo and publish the result under my own license for commercial use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, i didnt mean the demo code, i was regarding implementing jqPlot.<br />
Can i use jqPlot together with qooxdoo and publish the result under my own license for commercial use?</p>
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