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		<title>Comment on B-List Holy Grail: MiniDiscs by John de Jong</title>
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		<dc:creator>John de Jong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, jeez, I forgot the most important thing I ever did with my MD player:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I plugged it into the optical output of my PS2 and recorded all the radio stations in GTA and GTA:Vice City. There was something delectably awesome about driving down the road and listening to Wave 103, commercials and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, jeez, I forgot the most important thing I ever did with my MD player:</p>
<p>I plugged it into the optical output of my PS2 and recorded all the radio stations in GTA and GTA:Vice City. There was something delectably awesome about driving down the road and listening to Wave 103, commercials and all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on B-List Holy Grail: MiniDiscs by John de Jong</title>
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		<dc:creator>John de Jong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so this may come off as being way egotistical, but Ryan may very well be REFERRING TO ME. I was definitely "big into MiniDiscs", and can justify my choices thusly:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I bought my MZ-N505 in May of 2002, for about $300. At the time, the only MP3 players you could buy for that kind of money were gigantic Discman-sized behemoths. I was looking for something portable. MiniDiscs definitely fit the bill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Moreover, I was PC-only back then, and didn't have FireWire on any of my computers. Even if I wanted an iPod, and didn't mind the fact that it cost twice as much as the MiniDisc player I got, I wouldn't be able to use it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In theory I also bought it to bootleg concerts, since there weren't any MP3 players with optical inputs, but I actually never used it for that purpose so it's moot.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And how can you not like having a variety of interesting-looking MiniDiscs? They definitely looked like they came from the future. A future that allowed you to personalize your listening experience by using discs that had Hello Kitty silkscreened on them, if that was your thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regardless, I used it for about three years. In those three years, I also special ordered a remote, and flashed the firmware so that I could access all sorts of previously disabled function.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then the honeymoon ended. The prices of iPods came down, and I began to realize that the ATRAC sound quality was terrible if you wanted to fit more than one CD's worth of stuff on one MiniDisc. And the software was absolutely terrible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I ended up buying a third-gen iPod off a friend of mine, and never looked back.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyhoo, long story short: MiniDiscs were *the* portable music solution eight years ago, but they weren't able to keep up the pace with other technologies. Now they're wholly irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so this may come off as being way egotistical, but Ryan may very well be REFERRING TO ME. I was definitely &#8220;big into MiniDiscs&#8221;, and can justify my choices thusly:</p>
<p>I bought my MZ-N505 in May of 2002, for about $300. At the time, the only MP3 players you could buy for that kind of money were gigantic Discman-sized behemoths. I was looking for something portable. MiniDiscs definitely fit the bill.</p>
<p>Moreover, I was PC-only back then, and didn&#39;t have FireWire on any of my computers. Even if I wanted an iPod, and didn&#39;t mind the fact that it cost twice as much as the MiniDisc player I got, I wouldn&#39;t be able to use it.</p>
<p>In theory I also bought it to bootleg concerts, since there weren&#39;t any MP3 players with optical inputs, but I actually never used it for that purpose so it&#39;s moot.</p>
<p>And how can you not like having a variety of interesting-looking MiniDiscs? They definitely looked like they came from the future. A future that allowed you to personalize your listening experience by using discs that had Hello Kitty silkscreened on them, if that was your thing.</p>
<p>Regardless, I used it for about three years. In those three years, I also special ordered a remote, and flashed the firmware so that I could access all sorts of previously disabled function.</p>
<p>Then the honeymoon ended. The prices of iPods came down, and I began to realize that the ATRAC sound quality was terrible if you wanted to fit more than one CD&#39;s worth of stuff on one MiniDisc. And the software was absolutely terrible.</p>
<p>I ended up buying a third-gen iPod off a friend of mine, and never looked back.</p>
<p>Anyhoo, long story short: MiniDiscs were *the* portable music solution eight years ago, but they weren&#39;t able to keep up the pace with other technologies. Now they&#39;re wholly irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on B-List Holy Grail: MiniDiscs by LifeWithoutBuildings</title>
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		<dc:creator>LifeWithoutBuildings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one benefit to the MiniDisc was that it was great for bootlegging concerts. Great recording capabilities and a small size that made it easy to sneak into the more discriminating venues. Somewhere in a box in Ohio I have a recording of a near-the-end Pavement concert on MiniDisc. I wouldn't even know what to do with it if I found it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one benefit to the MiniDisc was that it was great for bootlegging concerts. Great recording capabilities and a small size that made it easy to sneak into the more discriminating venues. Somewhere in a box in Ohio I have a recording of a near-the-end Pavement concert on MiniDisc. I wouldn&#39;t even know what to do with it if I found it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Islands in the Net by KinoSport | Datajack</title>
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		<dc:creator>KinoSport | Datajack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tapes from Africa. (Especially this one.) Play it loud and think about sunshine and islands. "The situation gets weird when you stick things on islands." Other unsettling situations: Speed, Death and Interactive Graphics. Or Slumburbia. Favorite [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tapes from Africa. (Especially this one.) Play it loud and think about sunshine and islands. &#8220;The situation gets weird when you stick things on islands.&#8221; Other unsettling situations: Speed, Death and Interactive Graphics. Or Slumburbia. Favorite [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Islands in the Net by translation, machines, and embassies - mammoth island storm // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>translation, machines, and embassies - mammoth island storm // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of these landscape machines, it's surprising that bizarre legal maneuverings of the sort described by Quiet Babylon aren't far more common.  It seems that territorial ambiguity is far more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of these landscape machines, it&#8217;s surprising that bizarre legal maneuverings of the sort described by Quiet Babylon aren&#8217;t far more common.  It seems that territorial ambiguity is far more [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Islands in the Net by Marissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the last section on 'Building for Abandonment', and also with regards to Dubai and Miami - I would like to point to another very current example occurring in Australia at the moment - the Barangaroo development on Sydney Harbour. See attached article from The Sydney Morning Herald (&lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-barangaroos-grand-plan-harbour-makeover-looks-like-worst-of-dubai-20091221-la26.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-b...&lt;/a&gt;).  The proposed development in East darling Harbour, Sydney has been in turmoil since the initial Masterplan Competition that was won by a team led by Philip Thalis, a local Sydney Architect.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The development now under the design guidance of Richard Rogers with developer Lend Lease, where the scheme has seen a 30% rise in floor space over the 2 years, and includes a "150m long Peninsula extending into east Darling Harbour" that will allow for views to the Sydney Opera House.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The previous competition winner Philip Thalis has labeled the new development as the "worst of Dubai".   (the history of the development is summarised in a concise blog entry on Super Colossal, if interested - &lt;a href="http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In relation to this blog, I find it quite interesting  to conceive of building an island for a view - as opposed to an example of political sovereignty, this development is building onto the harbour to capture its icon.  However, this is not to say the development is not without political controversy - the "state government is poised to waive planning rules so a developer can fill in part of the harbour to build the city's biggest hotel..."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And here continues the strange zone of legality for Australia in realtion to islands - the only Island Continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the last section on &#39;Building for Abandonment&#39;, and also with regards to Dubai and Miami &#8211; I would like to point to another very current example occurring in Australia at the moment &#8211; the Barangaroo development on Sydney Harbour. See attached article from The Sydney Morning Herald (<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-barangaroos-grand-plan-harbour-makeover-looks-like-worst-of-dubai-20091221-la26.html"></a><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-b..">http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-b..</a>.).  The proposed development in East darling Harbour, Sydney has been in turmoil since the initial Masterplan Competition that was won by a team led by Philip Thalis, a local Sydney Architect.   </p>
<p>The development now under the design guidance of Richard Rogers with developer Lend Lease, where the scheme has seen a 30% rise in floor space over the 2 years, and includes a &#8220;150m long Peninsula extending into east Darling Harbour&#8221; that will allow for views to the Sydney Opera House.  </p>
<p>The previous competition winner Philip Thalis has labeled the new development as the &#8220;worst of Dubai&#8221;.   (the history of the development is summarised in a concise blog entry on Super Colossal, if interested &#8211; <a href="http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/">http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/</a>)</p>
<p>In relation to this blog, I find it quite interesting  to conceive of building an island for a view &#8211; as opposed to an example of political sovereignty, this development is building onto the harbour to capture its icon.  However, this is not to say the development is not without political controversy &#8211; the &#8220;state government is poised to waive planning rules so a developer can fill in part of the harbour to build the city&#39;s biggest hotel&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And here continues the strange zone of legality for Australia in realtion to islands &#8211; the only Island Continent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Islands in the Net by Marissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the last section on 'Building for Abandonment', and also with regards to Dubai and Miami - I would like to point to another very current example occurring in Australia at the moment - the Barangaroo development on Sydney Harbour. See attached article from The Sydney Morning Herald (&lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-barangaroos-grand-plan-harbour-makeover-looks-like-worst-of-dubai-20091221-la26.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-b...&lt;/a&gt;).  The proposed development in East darling Harbour, Sydney has been in turmoil since the initial Masterplan Competition that was won by a team led by Philip Thalis, a local Sydney Architect.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The development now under the design guidance of Richard Rogers with developer Lend Lease, where the scheme has seen a 30% rise in floor space over the 2 years, and includes a "150m long Peninsula extending into east Darling Harbour" that will allow for views to the Sydney Opera House.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The previous competition winner Philip Thalis has labeled the new development as the "worst of Dubai".   (the history of the development is summarised in a concise blog entry on Super Colossal, if interested - &lt;a href="http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In relation to this blog, I find it quite interesting  to conceive of building an island for a view - as opposed to an example of political sovereignty, this development is building onto the harbour to capture its icon.  However, this is not to say the development is not without political controversy - the "state government is poised to waive planning rules so a developer can fill in part of the harbour to build the city's biggest hotel..."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And here continues the strange zone of legality for Australia in realtion to islands - the only Island Continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the last section on &#39;Building for Abandonment&#39;, and also with regards to Dubai and Miami &#8211; I would like to point to another very current example occurring in Australia at the moment &#8211; the Barangaroo development on Sydney Harbour. See attached article from The Sydney Morning Herald (<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-barangaroos-grand-plan-harbour-makeover-looks-like-worst-of-dubai-20091221-la26.html"></a><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-b..">http://www.smh.com.au/national/grand-slam-for-b..</a>.).  The proposed development in East darling Harbour, Sydney has been in turmoil since the initial Masterplan Competition that was won by a team led by Philip Thalis, a local Sydney Architect.   </p>
<p>The development now under the design guidance of Richard Rogers with developer Lend Lease, where the scheme has seen a 30% rise in floor space over the 2 years, and includes a &#8220;150m long Peninsula extending into east Darling Harbour&#8221; that will allow for views to the Sydney Opera House.  </p>
<p>The previous competition winner Philip Thalis has labeled the new development as the &#8220;worst of Dubai&#8221;.   (the history of the development is summarised in a concise blog entry on Super Colossal, if interested &#8211; <a href="http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/">http://supercolossal.ch/2010/01/13/blueprint/</a>)</p>
<p>In relation to this blog, I find it quite interesting  to conceive of building an island for a view &#8211; as opposed to an example of political sovereignty, this development is building onto the harbour to capture its icon.  However, this is not to say the development is not without political controversy &#8211; the &#8220;state government is poised to waive planning rules so a developer can fill in part of the harbour to build the city&#39;s biggest hotel&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And here continues the strange zone of legality for Australia in realtion to islands &#8211; the only Island Continent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Islands in the Net by thilafushi - mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>thilafushi - mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts on islands include InfraNet Lab's "LandFab, or Manufacturing Terrain" and Quiet Babylon's "Islands in the Net".]   This entry was written by rholmes, posted on February 24, 2010 at 1:56 pm, filed under asides [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posts on islands include InfraNet Lab&#8217;s &#8220;LandFab, or Manufacturing Terrain&#8221; and Quiet Babylon&#8217;s &#8220;Islands in the Net&#8221;.]   This entry was written by rholmes, posted on February 24, 2010 at 1:56 pm, filed under asides [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Islands in the Net by matthewbattles</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewbattles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of islands to control migration has its obvious pedigree; I'm not terribly original in thinking of the poignant liminality of Ellis Island, a most assertively architectural island, a waypoint that also had a tragic, all-but-withheld taste of insular haven.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's interesting to muse on the island biogeographical dynamics on the Web. Although its ideology might wish it, the Internet is hardly immune to the formation of islands. But on the Web as in geography, no island is ever an island.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One more insular oddity that's always captured my fancy: Rome's Ponto Rotto. The bridge collapsed on both ends in (I think) the 17th century, turning it into an island. There it stands out in the Tiber, a bridge no one can walk upon, a piece of urban geography gradually wilding in sight of the bustling city on the banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of islands to control migration has its obvious pedigree; I&#39;m not terribly original in thinking of the poignant liminality of Ellis Island, a most assertively architectural island, a waypoint that also had a tragic, all-but-withheld taste of insular haven.</p>
<p>It&#39;s interesting to muse on the island biogeographical dynamics on the Web. Although its ideology might wish it, the Internet is hardly immune to the formation of islands. But on the Web as in geography, no island is ever an island.</p>
<p>One more insular oddity that&#39;s always captured my fancy: Rome&#39;s Ponto Rotto. The bridge collapsed on both ends in (I think) the 17th century, turning it into an island. There it stands out in the Tiber, a bridge no one can walk upon, a piece of urban geography gradually wilding in sight of the bustling city on the banks.</p>
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		<dc:creator>matthewbattles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of islands to control migration has its obvious pedigree; I'm not terribly original in thinking of the poignant liminality of Ellis Island, a most assertively architectural island, a waypoint that also had a tragic, all-but-withheld taste of insular haven.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's interesting to muse on the island biogeographical dynamics on the Web. Although its ideology might wish it, the Internet is hardly immune to the formation of islands. But on the Web as in geography, no island is ever an island.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One more insular oddity that's always captured my fancy: Rome's Ponto Rotto. The bridge collapsed on both ends in (I think) the 17th century, turning it into an island. There it stands out in the Tiber, a bridge no one can walk upon, a piece of urban geography gradually wilding in sight of the bustling city on the banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of islands to control migration has its obvious pedigree; I&#39;m not terribly original in thinking of the poignant liminality of Ellis Island, a most assertively architectural island, a waypoint that also had a tragic, all-but-withheld taste of insular haven.</p>
<p>It&#39;s interesting to muse on the island biogeographical dynamics on the Web. Although its ideology might wish it, the Internet is hardly immune to the formation of islands. But on the Web as in geography, no island is ever an island.</p>
<p>One more insular oddity that&#39;s always captured my fancy: Rome&#39;s Ponto Rotto. The bridge collapsed on both ends in (I think) the 17th century, turning it into an island. There it stands out in the Tiber, a bridge no one can walk upon, a piece of urban geography gradually wilding in sight of the bustling city on the banks.</p>
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