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		<title>Comment on Security Lessons from Nature – Glow Worm Cave by Gold Coast Holidays to the Hinterland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gold Coast Holidays to the Hinterland</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Retractable Doorknobs? by andrew</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh great blog that illustrates important perspectives regarding the security concerns by having doorknobs installed with the doors, which could make only authenticated people enter in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh great blog that illustrates important perspectives regarding the security concerns by having doorknobs installed with the doors, which could make only authenticated people enter in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should we allow our employees to engage in social networking? by Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

It seems to me that it would be better to control the malicious software angle at the endpoint.  If users can't install or run unapproved software, it would be far more effective than trying to identify and block the sources of such software.  If you attempt to block social media sites, you're putting yourself in a position of having to identify which sites are "good" and which ones are "bad", while simultaneously putting your users in a position where they will actively try to circumvent your policies.  People are getting better at using proxies and the like to bypass controls.  If you want to prevent them from accessing social media, you have to effectively prevent them from accessing the Internet... and there can be significant business costs to doing that (especially if your competitor's employees are unfettered).

The core issue here, is that I do not believe that social networking can be effectively controlled... so I say don't bother.  Spend the money and time on controls that work.  Manage the software, sure.  Let audit/marketing audit the social networks, so they can monitor the brand impact.  Let the managers manage the people.  Let the business owners decide the acceptable level of risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>It seems to me that it would be better to control the malicious software angle at the endpoint.  If users can&#8217;t install or run unapproved software, it would be far more effective than trying to identify and block the sources of such software.  If you attempt to block social media sites, you&#8217;re putting yourself in a position of having to identify which sites are &#8220;good&#8221; and which ones are &#8220;bad&#8221;, while simultaneously putting your users in a position where they will actively try to circumvent your policies.  People are getting better at using proxies and the like to bypass controls.  If you want to prevent them from accessing social media, you have to effectively prevent them from accessing the Internet&#8230; and there can be significant business costs to doing that (especially if your competitor&#8217;s employees are unfettered).</p>
<p>The core issue here, is that I do not believe that social networking can be effectively controlled&#8230; so I say don&#8217;t bother.  Spend the money and time on controls that work.  Manage the software, sure.  Let audit/marketing audit the social networks, so they can monitor the brand impact.  Let the managers manage the people.  Let the business owners decide the acceptable level of risk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should we allow our employees to engage in social networking? by Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... what do you do?  Allow them to download and surf to their hearts content because the social aspect of the internet is just too alluring for us to effectively block? Just because we cant turn it off without people finding ways to socialize?  Eventually this just leads to viruses and other malware introduced through employees who are haphazard in their computer practices (see, most everyone)
Why not just nip things on the our side of it and leave the social networking to the watercooler or the email betting.  I'd much prefer to not have to deal with rebuilding a customer service department because everyone downloaded the same chat program that happened to be carrying a virus.  Its not within our scope to limit socializing, but it is not necessarily the role of the computer in the work place environment to be another tool to socialize.  As you said, they will find a way... but lets not make it an issue that costs your department money because of a lack of foresight.
How many times I've seen links from social networking end up taking down a web server or email server... ugh.  
Setup stations that allow the socializing and quarantine them from the business aspects.  Cheaper in the end and allows the people their outlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; what do you do?  Allow them to download and surf to their hearts content because the social aspect of the internet is just too alluring for us to effectively block? Just because we cant turn it off without people finding ways to socialize?  Eventually this just leads to viruses and other malware introduced through employees who are haphazard in their computer practices (see, most everyone)<br />
Why not just nip things on the our side of it and leave the social networking to the watercooler or the email betting.  I&#8217;d much prefer to not have to deal with rebuilding a customer service department because everyone downloaded the same chat program that happened to be carrying a virus.  Its not within our scope to limit socializing, but it is not necessarily the role of the computer in the work place environment to be another tool to socialize.  As you said, they will find a way&#8230; but lets not make it an issue that costs your department money because of a lack of foresight.<br />
How many times I&#8217;ve seen links from social networking end up taking down a web server or email server&#8230; ugh.<br />
Setup stations that allow the socializing and quarantine them from the business aspects.  Cheaper in the end and allows the people their outlet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Site Review – Plaxo by burndinMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>burndinMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started the registration process because I received an invitation from a trusted friend. I checked the "skip this" option when it asked me to acess my address book to organize contacts. I did not choose any options which woud have contacted others. Unfortunately, I had provided my password. Within hours, all of my contacts received SPAM from my address.

Since I had just established service to the internet that day, it was pretty easy to figure out where the problem started. This may not be the fault of Plaxo, but the risk is too high for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started the registration process because I received an invitation from a trusted friend. I checked the &#8220;skip this&#8221; option when it asked me to acess my address book to organize contacts. I did not choose any options which woud have contacted others. Unfortunately, I had provided my password. Within hours, all of my contacts received SPAM from my address.</p>
<p>Since I had just established service to the internet that day, it was pretty easy to figure out where the problem started. This may not be the fault of Plaxo, but the risk is too high for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Security Sprint – Firefox Profiles by Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, LastPass &lt;a href="http://devilsadvocatesecurity.blogspot.com/2009/04/lastpass-answering-security-questions.html"&gt;does look promising&lt;/a&gt;.  I agree with what you say about 1Password.  It is a very good solution, but only in the OSX/iPhone space.  I just haven't researched anything else in any details, as the solution I have right now is working.

I expect that I'll be looking a lot come this time next year when it's time to pick out a shiny new phone.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, LastPass <a href="http://devilsadvocatesecurity.blogspot.com/2009/04/lastpass-answering-security-questions.html">does look promising</a>.  I agree with what you say about 1Password.  It is a very good solution, but only in the OSX/iPhone space.  I just haven&#8217;t researched anything else in any details, as the solution I have right now is working.</p>
<p>I expect that I&#8217;ll be looking a lot come this time next year when it&#8217;s time to pick out a shiny new phone.  :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Security Sprint – Firefox Profiles by Kenneth Younger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Younger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just doing a little searching and ran across http://lastpass.com - very wide compatibility, including linux. This Ubuntu forum question and response by a team member of LastPass was encouraging as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5896494

I was considering 1Password as well, but they have completely ignored an Android version for a long time, continually saying they'll get to it eventually - plus, they don't support any OS other than OSX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just doing a little searching and ran across <a href="http://lastpass.com" rel="nofollow">http://lastpass.com</a> &#8211; very wide compatibility, including linux. This Ubuntu forum question and response by a team member of LastPass was encouraging as well: <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5896494" >http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5896494</a></p>
<p>I was considering 1Password as well, but they have completely ignored an Android version for a long time, continually saying they&#8217;ll get to it eventually &#8211; plus, they don&#8217;t support any OS other than OSX.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Security Sprint – Firefox Profiles by Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I prefer the password wallet systems.  I generate a secure password for each site and store it in a wallet.  Wallets should use secure encryption (like AES or Twofish).

Generally speaking, I distrust the "store it in the browser" option.  I know that it's more convenient and that modern browsers use decent encryption on their password stores... but in order to function, they must be able to read the store.  This means that it is theoretically possible for a flaw in the browser to expose the store to an attacker via web page.

That's not to say that my solution is perfect.  In particular, it is vulnerable to password sniffing by keylogger and accidental account lockouts due to mis-entered passwords.  However, when I compare those risks to those of native browser storage, the native browser solution seems riskier.  (This is just a feeling... I've not researched it... yet ;)

Basically, my philosophy is similar to the Unix philosophy.  Most systems do one thing well.   Browsers, be they IE, Firefox, Opera or Chrome are really good at browsing.  They're getting better at security, but it's still not their core focus.  There is a lot of security in simplicity, so a simple password wallet with good market history (and that is being actively maintained) is probably better then security in a browser.

I use &lt;a href="http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/"&gt;Gnu Keyring&lt;/a&gt; on my Palm and am considering &lt;a href="http://agilewebsolutions.com/products/1Password"&gt;1Password&lt;/a&gt; should I move to the iPhone.  I don't know what's available in the Blackberry and Android spaces, but I'm sure that they exist there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I prefer the password wallet systems.  I generate a secure password for each site and store it in a wallet.  Wallets should use secure encryption (like AES or Twofish).</p>
<p>Generally speaking, I distrust the &#8220;store it in the browser&#8221; option.  I know that it&#8217;s more convenient and that modern browsers use decent encryption on their password stores&#8230; but in order to function, they must be able to read the store.  This means that it is theoretically possible for a flaw in the browser to expose the store to an attacker via web page.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that my solution is perfect.  In particular, it is vulnerable to password sniffing by keylogger and accidental account lockouts due to mis-entered passwords.  However, when I compare those risks to those of native browser storage, the native browser solution seems riskier.  (This is just a feeling&#8230; I&#8217;ve not researched it&#8230; yet ;)</p>
<p>Basically, my philosophy is similar to the Unix philosophy.  Most systems do one thing well.   Browsers, be they IE, Firefox, Opera or Chrome are really good at browsing.  They&#8217;re getting better at security, but it&#8217;s still not their core focus.  There is a lot of security in simplicity, so a simple password wallet with good market history (and that is being actively maintained) is probably better then security in a browser.</p>
<p>I use <a href="http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/">Gnu Keyring</a> on my Palm and am considering <a href="http://agilewebsolutions.com/products/1Password">1Password</a> should I move to the iPhone.  I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s available in the Blackberry and Android spaces, but I&#8217;m sure that they exist there too.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Younger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing me to the SQL Inject Me and XSS Me plugins, those will definitely help test the web apps.

I was curious, and was hoping you could elaborate as to how you manage your passwords securely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing me to the SQL Inject Me and XSS Me plugins, those will definitely help test the web apps.</p>
<p>I was curious, and was hoping you could elaborate as to how you manage your passwords securely.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Josh More – Starmind Blog » Security lessons from Nature – Immortal Jellyfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] let's take a look at the other side of immortality (the down-side of which was explored here).  In particular, let's look at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let&#39;s take a look at the other side of immortality (the down-side of which was explored here).  In particular, let&#39;s look at [...]</p>
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