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	<description>Why Recycle Postal Junk Mail, when you can Stop the Junk Mail!</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on How to Stop Junk Mail by e mills</title>
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		<author>e mills</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>must be free site for seniors to stop junk mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>must be free site for seniors to stop junk mail.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Credit Card Offers by Tatiana</title>
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		<author>Tatiana</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Very useful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very useful post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Unwanted Catalogs and Junk Mail Today! by neatswheema</title>
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		<author>neatswheema</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the work, i don't unusually do much Christmas shopping but hesitation further down
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the work, i don&#8217;t unusually do much Christmas shopping but hesitation further down</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Unwanted Catalogs and Junk Mail Today! by saintnick</title>
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		<author>saintnick</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>thanks for that's, how are you doing for this xmas? i took your recommendation and purchased a this for for my wife

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for that&#8217;s, how are you doing for this xmas? i took your recommendation and purchased a this for for my wife</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stop the Junk Mail Slashes Membership Costs by CJ Stone</title>
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		<author>CJ Stone</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Stop junk mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop junk mail.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catalog Choice’s Opt Out Success Rate by Rod Ford</title>
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		<author>Rod Ford</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 14:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A continuous thread in waste mail discussions is asking if the mailer is using consistent list hygiene.  Another salient, but rarely discussed point is the fact that commercial list hygiene, even if used every week only locates 60% of the actual movers.  Since 70% of the "junk mail" problem is caused by moved no forward address, by statistical definition commercial hygiene processes, even when used diligently are not capabable of taking the 4% undeliverable &amp; wasteful mail out of the mail stream. I elaborate on this topic in greater detail at blog.cognitivedata.net.
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A continuous thread in waste mail discussions is asking if the mailer is using consistent list hygiene.  Another salient, but rarely discussed point is the fact that commercial list hygiene, even if used every week only locates 60% of the actual movers.  Since 70% of the &#8220;junk mail&#8221; problem is caused by moved no forward address, by statistical definition commercial hygiene processes, even when used diligently are not capabable of taking the 4% undeliverable &amp; wasteful mail out of the mail stream. I elaborate on this topic in greater detail at blog.cognitivedata.net.<br />
Rod</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catalog Choice and LL Bean 3rd party Opt Outs by Dave Sohigian</title>
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		<author>Dave Sohigian</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Margot, 

I agree that the model that CatalogChoice uses is based on timing. I am not at all faulting your approach which has been helping people for a long time. Stopthejunkmail was, for a long time, the only viable option for controlling your direct marketing choices. This change in the market is going to affect a great number of companies, including direct marketers. People's expectations about what they should pay for, and how much they should pay, are changing dramatically. That means new opportunities for some, and hard times for others. I certainly don't see the new "free" market as a solution for everything. Someone has to pay for goods and services, even if it is not initially obvious who that someone is.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margot, </p>
<p>I agree that the model that CatalogChoice uses is based on timing. I am not at all faulting your approach which has been helping people for a long time. Stopthejunkmail was, for a long time, the only viable option for controlling your direct marketing choices. This change in the market is going to affect a great number of companies, including direct marketers. People&#8217;s expectations about what they should pay for, and how much they should pay, are changing dramatically. That means new opportunities for some, and hard times for others. I certainly don&#8217;t see the new &#8220;free&#8221; market as a solution for everything. Someone has to pay for goods and services, even if it is not initially obvious who that someone is.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catalog Choice and LL Bean 3rd party Opt Outs by Margot</title>
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		<author>Margot</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, The key to your comment is the word "Today". 7 years ago it was not viable to offer an internet service for free, even 2 years ago. Non-profits would never have even considered the internet for their marketing needs and the same could be said for a catalog companies themselves. Internet business models have changed over the years and so has the perception of how consumers use the internet for shopping and every days needs. 

We are hoping that we can remain in business because we offer a complete solution, we are a one stop shop. We offer our members a service to opt out of catalogs and all the other types of direct mail companies out there today. We have all the information a consumer could want about how to opt out of junk mail all in one place. If a consumer were to use catalogchoice.org for catalogs they would also have to go to about 15-20 other services to reduce the other types of junk mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, The key to your comment is the word &#8220;Today&#8221;. 7 years ago it was not viable to offer an internet service for free, even 2 years ago. Non-profits would never have even considered the internet for their marketing needs and the same could be said for a catalog companies themselves. Internet business models have changed over the years and so has the perception of how consumers use the internet for shopping and every days needs. </p>
<p>We are hoping that we can remain in business because we offer a complete solution, we are a one stop shop. We offer our members a service to opt out of catalogs and all the other types of direct mail companies out there today. We have all the information a consumer could want about how to opt out of junk mail all in one place. If a consumer were to use catalogchoice.org for catalogs they would also have to go to about 15-20 other services to reduce the other types of junk mail.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catalog Choice and LL Bean 3rd party Opt Outs by Dave Sohigian</title>
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		<author>Dave Sohigian</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Margot,

I definitely see why stopthejunkmail took the approach that it  did. But I still think that CatalogChoice is the better model today. Free to consumers is the right way to do business if you want to attract a huge market. This article from last month's Wired does a good job of explaining the rationale: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free. 

The 98% statistic is based on my understanding of how direct marketers measure success. It is my understanding that if a direct mailing (catalogs in particular) result in a 2% response rate (meaning 2% of people buy something), that is considered very successful. There are many ways to interpret this statistic, but one is that 98% of the other catalogs are wasted. I understand that direct marketers also look for  other "soft" benefits of direct marketing, so a catalog that does not deliver a sale might still be considered useful. But in my view it is a marketing method that has gone past its useful life, mainly because of scale. Chris Jordan's piece "Toothpicks" does a good job of visually explaining the size of the waste involved in direct marketing: http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/12/index.html

I do see a risk with CatalogChoice getting exclusive rights for opt-outs with catalog companies. It has nothing to do with their non (or not-for) profit status, or shutting down competitors, which is just part of business (non-profits are businesses too). But there is a risk that they will be co-opted to the direct marketers because of the relationship. Whether this happens or not depends on the character of the people running CatalogChoice and how they react to the pressure they will definitely get from direct marketers. But clearly it is better than the DMA, which is just a lobby group for the industry.

I think it is likely that the risks of exclusive opt-outs for CatalogChoice are out-weighed by the benefits. The main benefit being that Direct Marketers will realize they no longer have full control over consumers' marketing choices. And free is definitely the right price for that control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margot,</p>
<p>I definitely see why stopthejunkmail took the approach that it  did. But I still think that CatalogChoice is the better model today. Free to consumers is the right way to do business if you want to attract a huge market. This article from last month&#8217;s Wired does a good job of explaining the rationale: <a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free." rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free.</a> </p>
<p>The 98% statistic is based on my understanding of how direct marketers measure success. It is my understanding that if a direct mailing (catalogs in particular) result in a 2% response rate (meaning 2% of people buy something), that is considered very successful. There are many ways to interpret this statistic, but one is that 98% of the other catalogs are wasted. I understand that direct marketers also look for  other &#8220;soft&#8221; benefits of direct marketing, so a catalog that does not deliver a sale might still be considered useful. But in my view it is a marketing method that has gone past its useful life, mainly because of scale. Chris Jordan&#8217;s piece &#8220;Toothpicks&#8221; does a good job of visually explaining the size of the waste involved in direct marketing: <a href="http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/12/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/12/index.html</a></p>
<p>I do see a risk with CatalogChoice getting exclusive rights for opt-outs with catalog companies. It has nothing to do with their non (or not-for) profit status, or shutting down competitors, which is just part of business (non-profits are businesses too). But there is a risk that they will be co-opted to the direct marketers because of the relationship. Whether this happens or not depends on the character of the people running CatalogChoice and how they react to the pressure they will definitely get from direct marketers. But clearly it is better than the DMA, which is just a lobby group for the industry.</p>
<p>I think it is likely that the risks of exclusive opt-outs for CatalogChoice are out-weighed by the benefits. The main benefit being that Direct Marketers will realize they no longer have full control over consumers&#8217; marketing choices. And free is definitely the right price for that control.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catalog Choice and LL Bean 3rd party Opt Outs by Margot</title>
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		<author>Margot</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, We charge for our service because we do not have the backing of vc's or foundations like The overbrook foundation which has given catalogchoice.org, through various non-profit organizations such as the ecology center, the National Wildlife Federation and The Natural Resources Defense Council, 100's of thousands of dollars to develop and support their growing business. We would love to offer stopthejunkmail.com's service for free but that would put us out of business and we would no longer be able to help consumers attain their goals. It would not be a successful business model. We are a small business that has been promoting direct mail choices for 7 years and catalogchoice.org is new to the business with lots of dollars to promote their service whether it is free or not.

I am not sure where your 98% statistic comes from but if you want statistics on why direct marketing is the most effective way of marketing try this website minethatdata.blogspot.com by Kevin Hillstrom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, We charge for our service because we do not have the backing of vc&#8217;s or foundations like The overbrook foundation which has given catalogchoice.org, through various non-profit organizations such as the ecology center, the National Wildlife Federation and The Natural Resources Defense Council, 100&#8217;s of thousands of dollars to develop and support their growing business. We would love to offer stopthejunkmail.com&#8217;s service for free but that would put us out of business and we would no longer be able to help consumers attain their goals. It would not be a successful business model. We are a small business that has been promoting direct mail choices for 7 years and catalogchoice.org is new to the business with lots of dollars to promote their service whether it is free or not.</p>
<p>I am not sure where your 98% statistic comes from but if you want statistics on why direct marketing is the most effective way of marketing try this website minethatdata.blogspot.com by Kevin Hillstrom.</p>
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