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		<title>Climate Summit</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#034;They talk the language of science, but it is really a post-God religion that rejects relativist materialism.&#034; -BBC reporter Michael Buerke Podcast Transcription below the fold. The Fifth Column – Michael Buerk on the Climate Summit The latest so-called Climate Summit, that’s been taking place in Durban, hasn’t made many waves. It could be because [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><strong><em>&#034;They talk the language of science, but it is really a post-God religion that rejects relativist materialism.&#034;</p>
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<p>-BBC reporter Michael Buerke</p></blockquote>
<p>Podcast Transcription below the fold.<br />
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<p><strong>The Fifth Column –</p>
<p> Michael Buerk on the Climate Summit</strong></p>
<p><i>The latest so-called Climate Summit, that’s been taking place in Durban, hasn’t made many waves. It could be because global warming seems less daunting if you can no longer afford heating bills. It could also be that we’re getting fed up with the bogus certainties and quasi-religious tone of the great climate change non-debate.</p>
<p>Now, I don’t know for certain that man’s activities are causing the planet to heat up. Nobody does. We simply cannot construct a theoretical model that can cope with all the variables.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, I think anthropogenic warming is taking place, and, anyway, it would be a good thing to stop chucking so much bad stuff into the atmosphere.</p>
<p>What gets up my nose is being infantilized by governments, by the BBC, by the Guardian that there is no argument, that all scientists who aren’t cranks and charlatans are agreed on all this, that the consequences are uniformly negative, the issues beyond doubt and the steps to be taken beyond dispute.</p>
<p>You’re not necessarily a crank to point out that global temperatures change a great deal anyway. A thousand years ago we had a Mediterranean climate in this country; 200 years ago we were skating every winter on the Thames.</p>
<p>And actually there has been no significant rise in global temperatures for more than a decade now.</p>
<p>We hear a lot about how the Arctic is shrinking, but scarcely anything about how the Antarctic is spreading, and the South Pole is getting colder.</p>
<p>Droughts aren’t increasing. There are fewer of them, and less severe, than a hundred years ago. The number of hurricanes hasn’t changed, the number of cyclones and typhoons has actually fallen over the last 30 years.</p>
<p>And so on.</p>
<p>There may be answers, I think there probably are – to all these quibbles – I would like to hear them.</p>
<p>I don’t want the media to make up my mind up for me.</p>
<p>I don’t need to be told things by officialdom in all its forms, that are not true, or not the whole truth, for my own good.</p>
<p>I resent the implication that the exercise of my reason is “inappropriate”, an act of generational selfishness, a heresy.</p>
<p>I want a genuine debate about the assumptions behind the more apocalyptic forecasts.</p>
<p>As recently as 2005, for instance, the UN said there would be 50 million climate refugees by 2010.</p>
<p>That was last year.</p>
<p>OK – so where are they?</p>
<p>I would like to hear a clash of informed opinion about what would actually be better if it got warmer as well as worse.</p>
<p>Where do you see reported the extraordinary greening of the Sahel, and shrinking of the Sahara that’s been going on for 30 years now – the regeneration of vegetation across a huge, formerly arid swathe of dirt poor Africa. More warming means more rainfall. More CO2 means plants grow bigger, stronger, faster.</p>
<p>I would like a real argument over climate change policy, if only to rid myself of the nagging feeling that sometimes it’s a really good excuse for banging up taxes and public-sector job creation.</p>
<p>It’s not happening. It’s a secular issue but skepticism is heresy.</p>
<p>They talk the language of science, but it is really a post-God religion that rejects relativist materialism.</p>
<p>Its imperative is moral.</p>
<p>It looks to a society where some choices are obviously, and universally held to be, better than others.</p>
<p>A life where having what we want is not a right and nature puts constraints on the free play of desires.</p>
<p>To reinvent, in short, a life where there is good and bad, right and wrong.</p>
<p>As with all religions, whether the underlying narrative is true, has become beside the point.”</i></p>
<p>– Michael Buerk, 16 Dec 2011</p>
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		<title>Can a moral relativist be trusted?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trust is a pretty important factor that plays a positive role in a functioning society. To trust someone basically entails that you can rely on the actions of another person to conform to certain virtues or expectations while basically abandoning your own control over the situation. Let’s look at two examples of where trust plays [...]]]></description>
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<p>Trust is a pretty important factor that plays a positive role in a functioning society. To trust someone basically entails that you can rely on the actions of another person to conform to certain virtues or expectations while basically abandoning your own control over the situation.</p>
<p>Let’s look at two examples of where trust plays an important role. Firstly, you have money to do empirical research. You provide the money to a scientific researcher with a good track record and you ask him to do research on the clinical effects of a certain compound. You trust the scientist to use your money in such a manner that will result in good results. You are basically abandoning your own control over the situation (doing your own research) and transferring control to another. The outcome is unknown, but you trust that it will end in a certain manner i.e. good results.</p>
<p><span id="more-7738"></span>Secondly, in a democratic society the voters vote for politicians whom they trust will do the job they want them to do. For example, if voters want a certain service and a political party makes certain promises and the voters like the promises and they vote for the party, then the voters are essentially abandoning their own control and transferring control to the party. Again, the outcome is unknown but the voters trust that the party leaders will stick to their word.</p>
<p>Now there are at least two ways to be a moral relativist. You can agree that different cultures have different moral values and that there is not a single universal moral that is shared by all cultures.  Call it “descriptive moral relativism”. You can also assert that there are no objectively and intrinsically good or evil actions. Call it “meta-ethical moral relativism”. Empirical data seems to suggest that descriptive moral relativism is true. It is however a logical fallacy to claim that this demonstrates that meta-ethical moral relativism is true. A person can be a descriptive moral relativist and not be a meta-ethical moral relativist.</p>
<p>There are also at least two ways to be a moral absolutist. The first way is to argue that if action X is absolutely and intrinsically morally wrong then action X is ALWAYS absolutely and intrinsically morally wrong. Call it “universal moral absolutism”. The second way is argue that if it is wrong for one person to commit act X in situation Z, then it is wrong for any person to commit act X in the same situation Z. The second view thus allows for a situation where action X in situation Z is wrong but is not absolutely and intrinsically wrong at different moments. Call it “situational moral absolutism”.</p>
<p>In what way can a person be trusted you may ask? Here again there are at least two ways to trust a person. One can trust a person based on reason and logic and one can trust a person in a manner that is not based on reason and logic. For example a person can trust another for emotional reasons, whatever they may be.  You can basically trust anything or any person in a manner that is not based on reason and logic. You can trust a wild lion that is chasing after you to not eat you because you may perhaps be emotionally attached to cats, or you can trust you’re a hijacker not to kill you because you think deep down he is a good person. To trust someone or something in a way that is not based on reason and logic is basically trusting a person or something on faith that is not grounded in any reason and logic. People of course do this all the time, it’s called blind faith.</p>
<p>Now the kind of moral relativism I wish to focus on in this entry is the one that denies both kinds of moral absolutism discussed and I want to know how any person can trust a meta-ethical moral relativist in a manner that is based on reason and logic?</p>
<p>Let’s get back to the two examples. Is there any way a person can logically trust a scientist to do good research (irrespective of his credentials) if he states that there are no objectively and intrinsically good or evil actions? Is there any way a voter can logically trust the promises of a person that states that there are no objectively and intrinsically good or evil actions?</p>
<p>In both of the above cases I would argue no and in general I don’t think there is a logical and rational way to trust a meta-ethical moral relativist. The moral beliefs of a meta-ethical moral relativist might be just what the voters or hos financial backers are looking for. He or she might believe individual rights are good, but he can’t believe they are objectively good, and does think it is only relatively bad and good. He might later on change his mind on any issue he supported, or lie about anything and still think his choices are relatively good and relatively bad. A meta-ethical moral relativist can basically lie, be corrupt and fake a very good personality, policies and empirical data and still feel morally superior to those who disapprove of his choices, even if he contradicts himself.</p>
<p>A few studies have now pointed out that atheists are among the most distrusted groups of people. I wonder whether this has something to do with how people may perceive atheists as meta-ethical moral relativists?</p>
<p>The main issue is how can you trust a meta-ethical moral relativist in such manner that does not collapse into blind faith that is not grounded in reason and logic?</p>
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		<title>Fear</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#034;I fear dying, of dying I feel a sense of waste about it&#034; -Christopher Hitchens]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><em>&#034;I fear dying, of dying I feel a sense of waste about it&#034;</em></p>
<p>-Christopher Hitchens </p></blockquote>
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		<title>The Higgs Field and the Ether</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Techne</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[News is filtering through that there might be a Higgs boson.  This appears to imply that there is a Higgs field that provides mass to anything. And this Higgs field is labelled by some as the Higgs-ether and this apparently has the potential to clash with general relativity. Interesting times, maybe Aristotle was right about [...]]]></description>
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<p>News is filtering through that <a href="http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=4282">there might be a Higgs boson</a>.  This appears to imply that there is a Higgs field that provides mass to anything. And this Higgs field is <a href="http://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/higgs_discovery_rehabilitating_despised_einstein_ether-85497">labelled by some as the Higgs-ether</a> and this apparently has the potential to clash with general relativity.</p>
<p>Interesting times, maybe Aristotle was right about there being an ether or a &#034;fifth element&#034; or a quintessence? Any physicists out there that want to comment on the implications of the Higgs field and how it mixes or does not mix with general relativity?</p>
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		<title>The Ultimate Machine</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 00:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chunkdz</dc:creator>
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		<title>ID is dead.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chunkdz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s official. Good luck, and please clean out your desks.]]></description>
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<p>Good luck, and please clean out your desks. </p>
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		<title>Fitness: A Battle is Raging</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 06:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Techne</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Biology]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is fitness in evolutionary biology? In an earlier post it was pointed out that John O. Reiss argues that the fitness landscape metaphor has teleological implications. If evolution is anything close to the metaphor then the process is fundamentally teleological. Reiss also makes the following interesting remark: The rigor of this approach, however, is [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>What is fitness in evolutionary biology?</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://telicthoughts.com/teleological-fitness-landscapes/">In an earlier post</a> it was pointed out that <a href="http://users.humboldt.edu/jreiss/Current/RelFitTel2007.pdf">John O. Reiss</a> argues that the fitness landscape metaphor has teleological implications. If evolution is anything close to the metaphor then the process is fundamentally teleological.</p>
<p>Reiss also makes the following interesting remark:</p>
<blockquote><p>The rigor of this approach, however, is lessened because there is as yet no universally agreed upon measure of fitness; fitness is either defined metaphorically, or defined only relative to the particular model or system used. It is fair to say that due to this lack, there is still no real agreement on what exactly the process of natural selection is. This is clearly a problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>He is right, it is a problem and the role that fitness plays in evolution is a hot topic of debate. There are at least two ways that scientists and philosophers view fitness. The propensity view of fitness argues that fitness is a probabilistic propensity while a statistical view sees fitness as a subjective probability. The propensity view sees fitness as a causal factor while the statistical view &#034;<a href="http://www.science.uva.nl/%7Eseop/entries/fitness/#FitSubPro">deprives fitness of any causal or explanatory power</a>&#034;.</p>
<p>It is an ongoing discussion and here are a view articles discussing the role of fitness in evolutionary biology.<br />
<a href="http://web.missouri.edu/~ariewa/Two_Ways_of_fitness.pdf">Two ways of thinking about natural selection</a><br />
<a href="http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/167win10/matthen%20and%20ariew%2009%20-%20selection%20and%20causation.pdf" target="_blank">Selection and Causation</a> (argues against a causal view)<br />
<a href="http://members.logical.net/%7Emarshall/AbramsAnnulment.pdf" target="_blank">Fitness and Propensity’s Annulment?</a><br />
<a href="http://www.science.uva.nl/%7Eseop/entries/fitness/#FitSubPro" target="_blank">Fitness (Stanford Encyclopaedia)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.duke.edu/%7Ealexrose/MAcomment.pdf" target="_blank">Matthen and Ariew’s Obituary for Fitness: Reports of its Death have been Greatly Exaggerated</a> (argues for a causal propensity view)<br />
<a href="http://web.missouri.edu/%7Eariewa/what_fitness_aint.pdf"> What fitness can&#039;t be</a> (argues against a causal view)</p>
<p>How do you understand the concept of fitness? An intrinsic propensity or disposition or potential of an individual and/or a population that plays a causal role in biological change over time? Or is it a subjective probability? Do you have any other interpretation of the concept?</p>
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		<title>On Heresy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chunkdz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Ridley on why we need heretics. HT: WUWT]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/ridley_rsa_millar_speech_scientific_heresy.pdf">Matt Ridley</a> on why we need heretics.</p>
<p>HT: WUWT</p>
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		<title>Reason Based Morality</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chunkdz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bioethics]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Witness reason based morality in action. China&#039;s &#034;One Child Policy&#034; is a very reasonable solution to overpopulation, which makes it reasonable to value males over females, which makes it reasonable to abort females in pregnancy up to late term, which makes it reasonable for society to care very little for the death of a small [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/24/what-happened-to-little-yue-yue-was-entirely-predictable/" target="_blank">Witness reason based morality in action</a>. </p>
<p>China&#039;s &#034;One Child Policy&#034; is a very reasonable solution to overpopulation, which makes it reasonable to value males over females, which makes it reasonable to abort females in pregnancy up to late term, which makes it reasonable for society to care very little for the death of a small Chinese female. </p>
<p>All very reasonable. </p>
<p>HT: voxday</p>
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		<title>Richard Dawkins Throws Harris, Krauss, Hitchens et. al. Under The Bus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Guts</dc:creator>
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Would you shake hands with a man who could write stuff like that? Would you share a platform with him? I wouldn&#039;t, and I won&#039;t. Even if I were not engaged to be in London on the day in question, I would be proud to leave that chair in Oxford eloquently empty.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/20/richard-dawkins-william-lane-craig?INTCMP=SRCH"> here </a>
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