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		<title>Saving JFK</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ROBERT STEIN</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The day is here again, November 22nd. It&#8217;s been 46 years now and, for those well over that age, no less painful with the passage of time.
His death was the first of a president in our living rooms&#8211;the motorcade, the rifle shots, the disarray in Dallas, the dazed swearing-in of his successor that night, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day is here again, November 22nd. It&#8217;s been 46 years now and, for those well over that age, no less painful with the passage of time.</p>
<p>His death was the first of a president in our living rooms&#8211;the motorcade, the rifle shots, the disarray in Dallas, the dazed swearing-in of his successor that night, the on-camera murder of the assassin two days later and then the funeral with our eyes and hearts transfixed by the beautiful young widow and two small children.</p>
<p>We are so inured now to TV wakes with old news clips and talking heads that it&#8217;s hard to imagine how hard and how deeply John F. Kennedy&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination">assassination</a> struck a nation that had been moved by his youth, wit and optimism, all gone in an eyeblink and shown over and over again in slow motion.</p>
<p>The pain went so deep that, as a magazine editor, I published an article by a psychiatrist telling how he and his patients talked of practically nothing else in the days and weeks that followed, how JFK&#8217;s death had taken over their psyches and became entangled with their inner lives.</p>
<p>For months after that Friday, I would awake from sweat dreams of the motorcade, book depository, silent screams, slow-motion lunges at a relentless assassin, saving JFK at the last moment.</p>
<p>Such rescue fantasies came naturally to generations marked by the central image of &#8220;Catcher in the Rye&#8221;: children &#8220;standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff&#8211;I mean if they&#8217;re running and they don&#8217;t look where they&#8217;re going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Holden Caulfield couldn&#8217;t save JFK, and neither could we, but every November 22nd, those dreams come back to haunt us.</p>
<p>Cross-posted from my blog.  More about President Kennedy and November 22  <a href="http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/11/45-years-ago-today.html">HERE.</a></p>
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		<title>Poisoned Wells and Hamster Wheels</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>POLIMOM</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gems like these are why I so enjoy reading James Joyner at Outside the Beltway:

The two parties and their constituent interest groups have done a superb job of poisoning the well.  Republicans have virtually ensured that we’ll never have anything short of a massive defense budget and we’ll never have the sort of confiscatory [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gems like these are why I so enjoy reading James Joyner at <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/glenn_beck_community_organizer/">Outside the Beltway</a>:</p>
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<p>The two parties and their constituent interest groups have done a superb job of poisoning the well.  Republicans have virtually ensured that we’ll never have anything short of a massive defense budget and we’ll never have the sort of confiscatory tax brackets for high earners that they have in Europe and we had here as recently as John Kennedy’s administration.  And Democrats have made it a virtual certainty that we’ll not only not cut back on the social safety net but that it will incrementally increase and periodically boom.   The “compromise” solution is massive deficit spending.</p>
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<p>Unsustainable?  Obviously &#8212; and it&#8217;s doubly sad, considering we&#8217;ve done this to ourselves.</p>
<p>Short of a massive national sea-change in attitudes and expectations, we&#8217;re well on the way to self-destruction&#8230;. and as much as I like Joyner&#8217;s &#8220;poisoned well&#8221; analogy, my mind keeps visualizing little hamsters running on a wheel.</p>
<p>I hate being a hamster, but I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t see a way out at the moment.</p>
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		<title>Can we blame Main-Street yet?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DALITSO NJOLINJO</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[    My girlfriend is mad, I mean really mad. Apparently she has seen a side of me she never thought was there. Anyone hearing her talk would think that I caused her bodily harm or cheated on her, but no her anger was brought on after a conversation about the recession – [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>    My girlfriend is mad, I mean really mad. Apparently she has seen a side of me she never thought was there. Anyone hearing her talk would think that I caused her bodily harm or cheated on her, but no her anger was brought on after a conversation about the recession – more specifically banks and bankers roles within the recession.</p>
<p>    My better half’s reaction towards folks working in our financial institutions is common place in western society at the moment. They are the modern day villains, the Nazi’s of our time (a bit strong?) – heck, if I was running for office I&#8217;d try and paint my opponent as a bank sympathizer the first opportunity I got.</p>
<p>    Now with the dust settling and the majority of countries recovering– I want to ask, who is really to blame for the down fall of the world’s economy? The reason me and my woman argued is because I put the blame squarely on people like myself, and my girlfriend, and her friend at her work, and her friend’s lecturer – the blame has to go to everyday people.  Main Street (as you Americans put it) is to blame.</p>
<p>    Ok, maybe not all of it, but it has to own up to its fair share. What&#8230;to soon?</p>
<p>    I find it fascinating that we are debating about how greedy banks have been, how investment bankers have no morals and how Dick Fuld is the devil himself.</p>
<p>    Come on now.</p>
<p>    What about people that bought mortgages they can’t possibly afford? What about buying a car that you can’t possibly make the payments on? Why is Obama getting the blame on a culture that was in place during Clinton’s time?</p>
<p>    Banks and bankers exist only to make money, fact. I learned that when I was 12 years old. They are not there to be the beacons of society, they are there to make money. They are not there to be leader of men, THEY ARE THERE TO MAKE MONEY.  Their greed is a survival mechanism. Their immorality is the difference between them ending up like Lehman Brothers or Barclays. I know it’s hard to swallow that the Chief Executive of (insert bank name here) isn’t looking out for your well being but that the reality of our capitalist system.</p>
<p>    I know what I can and cannot afford. I would love to buy a flat and maybe a new car, but I can’t afford to so I have to make do with living with my mother (I’m still 23 give me a break) and riding in my rusty Corsa. Do I grumble about it? Yes! Do I look on enviously at my banker friend who is back to making a killing? Yes! Do I hate him for doing his job well? NO!</p>
<p>    We are living in a world where no one wants to take responsibilities for their actions. I am hugely disappointed in Obama and Brown for not showing real leadership on this issue. I agree, fixing banking regulations is a must to make sure that a collapse of that magnitude never happens again, but changing people’s habits is a much more pressing issue. Changing the idiotic premise brought on by Clinton that everyone should own a house would be a great start.</p>
<p>    I want a politician to treat me like a human being, tell me the truth, don’t simplify the issue. “Prime Minister Brown, what are you going to do about me and my fellow greedy Britons who helped to bring on this financial mess?”</p>
<p>     Don’t just address the politically palatable – make us eat the vegetables as well.</p>
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		<title>NBC’s Brian Williams: Serious. And Funny.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JOE WINDISH, Technology Editor</dc:creator>
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You&#8217;ll remember that the other day I pointed to a Poytner finding that The Daily Show is serious about its media criticism. Well it turns out Jon Stewart may have some real competition. The LATimes finds NBC News anchor Brian Williams &#8212; fresh off a 30 Rock cameo and Wait, Wait&#8230; Don&#8217;t Tell Me Bill [...]]]></description>
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You&#8217;ll remember that the other day I <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/53437/daily-show-is-serious-about-media-criticism/">pointed</a> to a <a href="http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=101&#038;aid=173534">Poytner finding</a> that The Daily Show is serious about its media criticism. Well it turns out Jon Stewart may have some <em>real</em> competition. The LATimes finds NBC News anchor Brian Williams &#8212; fresh off a <a href="http://www.nbc.com/30-rock/">30 Rock</a> <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/106743/30-rock-bts-with-brian-williams">cameo</a> and <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114075281">Wait, Wait&#8230; Don&#8217;t Tell Me</a> Bill Clinton impersonation &#8212; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-brian-williams21-2009nov21,0,6105382.story">takes his comedy seriously</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Stewart, host of Comedy Central&#8217;s &#8220;The Daily Show,&#8221; joked that he was &#8220;really annoyed&#8221; to discover Williams&#8217; quick wit when he first invited him on in 2003.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nobody likes a guy who can do a real job and your job,&#8221; said Stewart, calling the notion that news anchors shouldn&#8217;t show a sense of humor &#8220;a false ideal.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a silly thing to keep bottled up,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It won&#8217;t necessarily perjure your other work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Williams&#8217; levity may surprise viewers who see him as the consummate newsman. He&#8217;s made six trips to the war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq and received numerous awards for his on-the-ground coverage of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. (This week, he received the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism from Arizona State University.)</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s working for him. After two straight seasons of ratings gains, his newscast is up again this season. And he&#8217;s clear about limits. He canned a satellite appearance from Afghanistan on Leno after 14 Americans died in helicopter crashes that day.</p>
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		<title>Health Care Bill Goes to the Senate Floor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>KATHY KATTENBURG</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My computer is more than usually slow tonight (and that&#8217;s saying a lot), so probably the whole world knows this by now, but the Democrats just achieved cloture on health care reform. They got the 60 votes they needed, including all the conservative Democrats whose votes were in question, and including Joe Lieberman.

All Democrats and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My computer is more than usually slow tonight (and that&#8217;s saying a lot), so probably the whole world knows this by now, but the Democrats just achieved cloture on health care reform. They got the 60 votes they needed, including all the conservative Democrats whose votes were in question, and including Joe Lieberman.</p>
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<p>All Democrats and Independents voted Yes. All Republicans voted No.</p>
<p>Max Baucus flew in from Montana, where his mother is apparently very ill, to vote Yes. That deserves great respect and thanks, and my strongest hopes go to Sen. Baucus and his family for his mom&#8217;s recovery.</p>
<p>Debate will begin on the Senate floor the first day at work after Thanksgiving break.</p>
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		<title>Obama’s China Trip Announces a ‘World Without Leadership’: Financial Times Deutschland, Germany</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>WILLIAM KERN</dc:creator>
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Now that we&#8217;ve gotten some of the Chinese reaction to president Obama&#8217;s trip, it&#8217;s time to start sampling the reaction of the rest of the world.
This article by the great Thomas Klau of Germany&#8217;s Financial Times Deutschland is not encouraging &#8211; and points out that without the U.S. able to exercise effective leadership, it&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
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<p>Now that we&#8217;ve gotten some of the Chinese reaction to president Obama&#8217;s trip, it&#8217;s time to start sampling the reaction of the rest of the world.</p>
<p>This article by the great <a href="http://worldmeets.us/financialtimesdeutschland000099.shtml">Thomas Klau of Germany&#8217;s <em>Financial Times Deutschland</em> </a>is not encouraging &#8211; and points out that without the U.S. able to exercise effective leadership, it&#8217;s time to grapple seriously with stronger global institutions. </p>
<p><a href="http://worldmeets.us/financialtimesdeutschland000099.shtml">According to Klau,</a> President Obama&#8217;s China visit signals that a moment the Europeans have dreaded for hundreds of years has come when he writes: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;At least since the time of Napoleon, we Europeans have lived with a somewhat fearful suspicion that China will likely wake up one day as a giant of global politics. Now that time has come.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as what the trip shows about the United States, Klau is even less sanguine, and more than a little &#8220;peeved&#8221; that Obama is treating Beijing better than he does the European Union:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Obama’s China visit was more than a passing episode. It most likely documents the definitive end of a historic epoch, in which the foremost Western power was able to present itself internationally as the ultimate authority on good government and good business, without incurring more than the weak protestations of those who were comparatively unsuccessful. &#8230; the turnaround year of 1989 [year the Berlin Wall fell] marked the beginning of the end of a historic era &#8211; an era in which Western concepts of good governance and good business almost entirely dominated the global discourse. If things stay this way because China continues to do splits between free and un-free politics, the Tiananmen Square massacre will be, unfortunately, the 1989 event with the strongest influence on the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We are slowly beginning to get used to this new, post-American world. Peeved, we see that the globally more modest United States treats its coolly-controlling lender China with greater care than it does the European Union.&#8221;
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<blockquote><p>By Thomas Klau*</p>
<p>Translated By Stephanie Martin</p>
<p>November 19, 2009</p>
<p>Germany &#8211; Financial Times Deutschland &#8211; Original Article (German)</p>
<p>After the cool treatment of Europeans, now comes a soft stance toward China. During his first visit to Asia, U.S. President Barack Obama, sober as always in his approach to foreign policy, has drawn his conclusions about the reorganization of the global power arena. In accordance with the wishes of the Chinese leadership, human rights rhetoric was almost entirely missing from Obama’s public statements. Behind closed doors he may have made demands on some key issues like Iran; in public, however, anything that may have suggested America as school master and China as the one receiving instruction was avoided.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Harry Reid pressures holiday-homebound Democrats to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/20/us/politics/AP-US-Health-Care-Overhaul.html">vote for a start</a> of the Senate health care debate, Republican resisters have found a <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112004375.html?hpid=topnews">new weapon</a> to use against the bill&#8211;a sudden deep concern about how it might threaten women&#8217;s bodies.</p>
<p>Seizing on a quasi-government task force&#8217;s report this week recommending that annual mammograms start at 50 rather than 40, the GOP has gone into full outrage mode.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is how rationing begins,&#8221; warns Rep. Marsha Blackburn. &#8220;This is the little toe in the edge of the water. This is when you start getting a bureaucrat between you and your physician.&#8221;</p>
<p>Never mind that Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius immediately <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/health/19cancer.html?ref=politics">made it clear</a> that the US Preventive Services Task Force “is an outside independent panel of doctors and scientists who make recommendations” and who neither “set federal policy” nor “determine what services are covered by the federal government.”</p>
<p>“The task force has presented some new evidence for consideration,” she noted, “but our policies remain unchanged. Indeed, I would be very surprised if any private insurance company changed its mammography coverage decisions as a result of this action.”</p>
<p>In fact, the recommendation has provided a starting point, as it was intended to do, for debate of the issue, rather than a mandate, and has met heavy resistance from physicians and patients as well as the American Cancer Society.</p>
<p><a href="http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2009/11/sexual-politics-of-health-care.html">Read the rest of this entry</a>.</p>
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BREAKING @ 3 pm ET: Senate Democrats have secured the 60 votes needed to move the bill forward to floor debate.  Details at Politico. 
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<p><strong>BREAKING @ 3 pm ET:</strong> Senate Democrats have secured the 60 votes needed to move the bill forward to floor debate.  <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29792.html"><strong>Details at <em>Politico</em>.</strong></a> </p>
<p>Here is a live streaming video feed of the Senate health care reform debate. The actual vote on whether to let the bill come to the Senate floor for debate and amendments is expected between 8 and 9 pm EST. This live video will remain at the TOP of TMV until after the coverage completely ends. Underneath the video you&#8217;ll periodically see some links to news stories and blogs of various opinions on the debte. So keep checking back. And here is the debate at this moment:<br />
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NEWS STORIES AND BLOG POSTS:</strong><br />
&#8211;<em>THE LIBERAL VIEWPOINT</em>: Firedoglake is <a href="http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/21/semi-liveblog-of-the-debate-to-allow-debate-to-begin/">doing &#8220;semilive&#8221; blogging.</a> Here are a few recent entries (go to the link to read current ones):</p>
<blockquote><p>12:55 – Landrieu thinks something are wrong with the bill. First she thinks the tax credits for small businesses are too small and need to be expand. She wants more tax equity for those who are self-insured. She is rightly worried about the possibility of premiums going up between now and 2014. She is against the current public option. She wants a trigger, like the one promoted by Snowe.</p>
<p>12:50 – Landrieu begins by praising Wyden and his efforts to create the Wyden-Bennett plan that she co-sponsored. She says she will vote to let the debate move forward, but her vote is not a vote for the underlining bill. It is only a “vote to move forward.” She said it is clear that doing nothing is no longer an option. Landrieu plans to “stay focused like a laser” on bringing down cost for small businesses. Landrieu is pro excise tax on employer provided health insurance.</p>
<p>12:35 – Cantwell makes a strong case for her basic health plan and says she hopes to work to expand it. It is not a public option but it is basically how the health exchange should have been designed to begin with. The state creates the design of a good health insurance plan (co-pays, benefits, deductibles, etc). Insurance companies bid to offer this insurance plan to all the people in the basic health plan program. The state approves several of the lowest bids and individuals can choose from any of these approved insurance providers. Read more about the “basic health plans” here.
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<p>-<em>-THE CONSERVATIVE VIEWPOINT: </em>Be sure to check in <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/21/open-thread-senate-debate-on-approving-debate-on-reid-plan/">with Ed Morrissey who has &#8220;an open thread&#8221; </a>(which reminds me I need to pick up my torn pants at the tailor&#8217;s) on the debate. Here is a small taste of what is up there as this is written:</p>
<blockquote><p>Update (AP): The big question mark, obviously, is Blanche Lincoln, but it’ll be worth watching Nelson’s, Lieberman’s, Bayh’s, and Landrieu’s floor speeches too to see what demands they’re willing to issue publicly for their support going forward. As for tonight’s vote, it’s sort of a free kick for conservatives. Granted, 97 percent of Senate bills that pass this hurdle end up being enacted (so keep calling!), but most bills aren’t remotely as politically fraught as this one. Everyone expects Lincoln to cave and give Reid the 60 he needs — read Jay Cost’s excellent easy peasy three-point analysis for why it’s easy for Blue Dogs to say yes this time — but if she’s sweating now, she’ll be melting down before the final winner-take-all cloture vote a few weeks from now. Notes Cost, “The fact that these Democratic moderates are actually spending time ‘pondering’ whether to vote against starting debate is a sign that they are very skittish about this bill.”</p>
<p>Long story short, tonight is low risk and potentially huge reward. If Lincoln bugs out and the vote fails, it’ll be a nuclear humiliation for the Democrats and will have a lot of people suddenly believing that ObamaCare is un-passable.</p>
<p>Update (AP): Stressing that her yes vote today in no way guarantees a yes on cloture next time, Landrieu says she’s ready to proceed. All eyes on Lincoln now. The<a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/11/21/krauthammer-landrieu-100-million-louisiana-purchase-buyoff-its-new-kind-b"> Louisiana purchase</a> worked.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211;New York Times: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/health/policy/22health.html">A Holdout Will Support Democrats’ Health Bill </a><br />
&#8211;The Huffington Post plans to offer updates by Twitter. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/21/health-care-vote-live_n_366358.html?nsup">Check HERE</a> to see when and if they are posted.<br />
&#8211;Crooks and Liars <a href="http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal/us-senate-saturday-session-open-thread">has an open thread.</a><br />
&#8211;<a href="http://www.newser.com/story/74558/landrieus-officially-in-leaving-only-one-holdout.html">The AP reports that </a>now that Mary Landrieu is in and all 40 Republicans will vote against allowing the bill to go to debate and amendments, the sole holdout is&#8230;Nebraska&#8217;s Blanche Lincoln.<br />
-<a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/lincoln-to-vote-for-motion-to-proceed.html">-Nate Silver:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Needless to say, it would have been very, very bad news for the Democrats if the motion to proceed to debate on their health care plan had failed tonight. But I&#8217;m not sure how newsworthy this really is. The potential hold-outs, like Lincoln and Ben Nelson, are going to have much greater leverage later on, when the bill nears its second major procedural hurdle: the cloture motion to proceed to the final vote.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s some bad news for Democrats too: Lincoln has joined Senators Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman in making a fairly explicit threat to filibuster a bill that contains a public option. Mary Landrieu, on the other hand, sounds a little bit more open to compromise. But this impromptu Gang of 3 &#8212; Lincoln, Nelson, Lieberman &#8212; could be a tough one for progressives to penetrate.</p></blockquote>
<p>-<a href="http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/11/21/senate-majority-leader-harry-reid-claims-dems-have-60-votes-arkansas-sen-blanche-lincoln-says-yes/#more-10501">-Scared Monkeys:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Harry Reid obviously paid off the last two remaining Senators, as AP calls them, centrist Sens. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana. Make no mistake about it America, that means you Arkansas and Louisiana, these two are not centrists. No centrist would ever have allowed debate to go forward on this 2074 page piece of trash bill. We all now that Landrieu was paid off with the $100 million provision on page 432 of Reid’s bill. Remember when Obama said he was going to change the way Washington, DC does things and usher in a new era of hope and change to the political process Inside the Beltway? Guess that can go down as one more lie as the quit pro quo payoff to Mary Landrieu for her vote can attest to that.</p>
<p>Landrieu and Lincoln, please do not lie to your constituents or the American people. Your cloture vote all but ensured passage of this healthcare bill that will subjugate Americans to a government controlled health care system. </p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211;<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/21/806776/-Reid-Gets-His-60-Votes,-For-Now">Daily Kos&#8217; McJoan:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Of course, Lieberman could pull a Lieberman, and change his mind on this one just for the hell of it (and because he hasn&#8217;t been in the headlines very often lately), but for now there&#8217;s no drama left in today&#8217;s vote.</p>
<p>Now the real fight for a real public option. In agreeing today to continue debate on this bill, Lincoln vowed essentially to join a Republican filibuster.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This month&#8217;s perfect storm &#8212; poor medical reporting, denialism, and public health. Marketplace yesterday:
For years, our medical system focused on the individual. The thinking was, even if only one life was saved, everyone should get tested. But the new studies show not everyone needs screening. In fact, too much screening can do more harm than [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This month&#8217;s perfect storm &#8212; <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/11/13/01">poor</a> <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/11/13/02">medical</a> <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/11/13/03">reporting</a>, <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120139776#">denialism</a>, and <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/health/20assess.html">public</a> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/health/20prevent.html">health</a>. <a href="http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/11/20/pm-cervical-cancer/">Marketplace yesterday</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>For years, our medical system focused on the individual. The thinking was, even if only one life was saved, everyone should get tested. But the new studies show not everyone needs screening. In fact, too much screening can do more harm than good.</p>
<p>Dr. Louise Russell studies preventive care at Rutgers University. She says patients have to change their mind sets. Think about the odds of finding lethal cancer&#8230; She says patients need to trust the odds and not get screened if they&#8217;re not at increased risk &#8212; if they don&#8217;t, say, have a family member with cancer.</p>
<p>Doctor Otis Brawley is the chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society. He disagrees with the mammogram recommendations. He says even if one life in a thousand is saved, it&#8217;s worth it&#8230; A lot of patients feel the same way. They don&#8217;t care about the big picture.</p>
<p>Doctor Robert Aronowitz teaches the history and sociology of science at the University of Pennsylvania. He says it&#8217;s hard to change that way of thinking. But people can put themselves in danger. Unnecessary cancer treatment can cause anxiety and even death&#8230; Aronowitz says that applies to all kinds of preventive treatment &#8212; from screenings to drugs that are supposed to prevent disease.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is <a href="http://blogs.wnyc.org/radiolab/2009/11/16/killing-babies-saving-the-world/">reason for optimism</a>.</p>
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Today the Senate is expected to hold a key health care reform vote. And if President Barack Obama has a bundle of political clout riding on this vote, so does Majority Leader Harry Reid.
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<p>Today the Senate is expected to hold a key health care reform vote. And if President Barack Obama has a bundle of political clout riding on this vote, so does Majority Leader Harry Reid.</p>
<p>Reid, in an increasingly tough (some pundits suggest seemingly fruitless) battle for re-election who was never a darling of the Democratic party&#8217;s liberal wing, could be in a weakened position unless when the votes are counted it turns out that he had gathered the needed 60 votes on a cloture vote. Eyes will be on him and Democratic centrists  and &#8212; as always &#8212; on Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent who caucuses with the Demmies. But the question is going to be: did Reid do his homework or will the day end with him and Obama looking further weakened? One key Republican <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/68835-vitter-predicts-reid-will-get-exactly-60-votes-on-first-health-test">sounds as if he is betting that Reid has lined up the votes:<br />
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<blockquote><p>Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will get exactly the 60 votes he needs to pass healthcare reform legislation through its first test [today], Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) said Friday.</p>
<p>Reid on Thursday scheduled a cloture vote on a motion to proceed yesterday. The vote is the first crucial test the healthcare bill will face in the Senate. </p>
<p>&#8220;My guess, that&#8217;s all it is, is that it would be exactly 60 to exactly 40 but we&#8217;ll see,&#8221; Vitter said on MSNBC this morning. &#8220;I think he probably does [have enough votes] for this first pivotal vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reid has refused to predict whether or not he will get the necessary votes to pass the measure. &#8220;We&#8217;ll find out when the votes are taken,&#8221; he said when asked on Thursday about  his chances of success.</p>
<p>Vitter is a staunch opponent of the bill.</p></blockquote>
<p>But the Hill also notes this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Two others Democrats potentially could be absent from the vote on Saturday night. Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus is currently in Montana tending to his ailing mother. Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.) has experienced health problems all year.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29785.html">The Politico also thinks that</a> &#8212; from Reid and Obama&#8217;s point of view &#8212; it is looking good:</p>
<blockquote><p>Two Saturdays ago, Pelosi passed health reform on a squeaker of a House vote. Today, Reid can’t spare a single Democrat as the Senate decides whether to start debate. If not, President Barack Obama’s reform hopes suffer immeasurable harm.</p>
<p>That said, things were looking good at daybreak, as Reid can be reasonably confident of 59 votes, with Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) a yes vote and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) leaning yes. The holdout: Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), who has been a fan of reform generally but faces a tough 2010 re-election fight.</p>
<p>In theory, Reid’s job should actually be easier than Pelosi’s. The House voted on final passage. Reid is just asking the Senate to begin debate. But the vote is more than that – it’s a test lab for the ideas, arguments and battle tactics that both sides will carry into an epic showdown over health reform next month.</p>
<p>The debate runs all day with the vote scheduled for 8 p.m. </p></blockquote>
<p>So is it a slam dunk? <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/21/senate-health-care-vote-s_n_366316.html">Hardly:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Democratic leaders are optimistic of success, but they need every Democrat and both independents to vote &#8220;yes,&#8221; and two moderates remained uncommitted ahead of the roll call, which is expected around 8 p.m. EST. The vote will determine whether debate can go forward on Majority Leader Harry Reid&#8217;s 2,074-page bill to dramatically remake the U.S. health care system over the next decade.</p>
<p>&#8230;..The two Democratic holdouts are Sens. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana. A third centrist, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, announced Friday that he&#8217;d be supporting his party on the test vote, while cautioning that it didn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;d be with them on the final vote.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not for or against the new Senate health care bill,&#8221; Nelson said. &#8220;It is only to begin debate and an opportunity to make improvements. If you don&#8217;t like a bill, why block your own opportunity to amend it?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Republicans are expected to vote as a solid block. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNc96-ql20o&#038;feature=player_embedded"> calls it a &#8220;monstrosity of a bill.&#8221;</a> Reid insists <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1JGLsyPxpo&#038;feature=player_embedded">everything is full paid for.</a></p>
<p><a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/cloture_vote_on_health_care_sc.html">Ezra Klein sees an irony in this debate:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Little will illustrate the absurdity of the filibuster as neatly as tomorrow&#8217;s vote. This is not the vote to pass the bill. It&#8217;s the vote to begin considering the bill. Changing the bill. Amending the bill. Recall that the purpose of the filibuster is to protect debate and ensure that members can make their opinions heard and ensure they have an opportunity to add their ideas to the legislation. Tomorrow, however, 40 Republicans are expected to use the filibuster to close off debate and ensure that no more opinions are heard nor changes considered. The right to unlimited debate has become a tool for cutting it off.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/questions-decide-fate-health-care-reform/story?id=9138011">ABC NEWS points to these five questions</a> that will determine the ultimate fate of this bill.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112002416.html">The Washington Post&#8217;s editorial page editor  Fred Hiatt argues</a> that passing health care reform is not only vital to health care but to the overall success of the Obama administration &#8212; including how it is perceived by other countries abroad. Some excerpts:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is American democracy in paralysis? That question emerged at a conference of big thinkers and experts in various fields organized last week by Foreign Policy magazine, our sister publication. </p>
<p>To an extent, the question reflects an America-in-decline-ism that becomes fashionable from time to time, especially when the U.S. economy is dragging. The United States always has turned out to be more resilient than the pessimists expect, while the supposed advantages of less democratic rivals (the Soviet Union in the 1960s, Japan in the 1980s) have been trumped by the rigidities of one-party rule. This decade&#8217;s juggernaut &#8212; communist China &#8212; also faces challenges that may become more evident with time.</p>
<p>Yet as health-care reform sputters and lurches toward an uncertain finish line, the question is understandable. Foreigners see a Democratic Party that supposedly is alarmed by climate change, that decisively captured the White House and both houses of Congress a year ago &#8212; and yet that will send an administration to a crucial conference in Copenhagen next month with little but hopes and promises. Now there is talk that cap-and-trade legislation will wait until not just next year but the next Congress. </p></blockquote>
<p>He rattles off other problem areas: Obama has been unable to fill most judicial posts and has not even submitted names for many of them; labor law reform is on hold; immigration reform is in limbo; and Afghanistan policy awaits an official&#8230;policy:</p>
<blockquote><p> Meanwhile, American power seems powerless to bend events in Iran, North Korea, the Middle East, Sudan, Congo or even tiny Honduras to our south.</p>
<p>Underlying all is the nation&#8217;s growing debt &#8212; to other countries and to future generations. The retirement system (Social Security) and health insurance for the elderly (Medicare) are headed for bankruptcy, with state and local pension funds and the federal pension insurance fund not far behind. Pretty much everyone understands that the government must spend less and tax more, but the system seems incapable of taking a first step in either direction.</p>
<p>And didn&#8217;t candidate Obama promise to fix the college football Bowl Championship Series? </p></blockquote>
<p>He goes through a bunch of institutional,  political  and 21st century media reasons that might partially explain all of the above, then argues:</p>
<blockquote><p>Whichever explanation appeals to you &#8212; and no doubt they all contain some truth &#8212; the perception of paralysis increases the urgency of passing health-care reform. Failure would damage the Obama presidency, and it would also deepen the fear, here and abroad, that America is stuck.</p>
<p>Paradoxically, though, it also increases the urgency of doing health-care reform right. If Congress and the administration manage only to extend expensive new benefits, without improving the health-care system or controlling rising costs, it will be an achievement &#8212; but not one that will long reassure anyone concerned about the U.S. ability to get things done. </p></blockquote>
<p>Which means a lot of people are watching to see if Harry Reid did his homework. If he hasn&#8217;t then he and Obama could face political detention..<br />
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		<title>Would We Win World War II Today? A Response</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, Rick Moran graced our humble pages once again asking the question which I have placed once again in the title of this response. (You can find another copy of the essay at his home page, with plenty of interesting comments from readers.)He also recommended the new History Channel series, World War II in HD. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, Rick Moran <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/53662/could-we-win-if-we-had-to-fight-world-war-ii-today-guest-voice/#disqus_thread">graced our humble pages</a> once again asking the question which I have placed once again in the title of this response. (You can find another copy of the essay <a href="http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/11/20/could-we-win-if-we-had-to-fight-world-war-ii-today/#comments">at his home page</a>, with plenty of interesting comments from readers.)He also recommended the new History Channel series, <a href="http://www.history.com/content/wwii-in-hd">World War II in HD</a>. (I&#8217;m watching additional portions of that today, and it&#8217;s truly worth a look for any of you who missed it.) And while it shall always be important to remember the glory, the honor, the sacrifice and the horror of WW2 and the Greatest Generation who set forth to save the world, we must recognize all of the changes which have taken place between then and now in the world, in our own government, in our people and in the way we wage war.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s first look at one of the questions Rick asked. Could we put 1.6 million soldiers in uniform to take up arms in defense of their country today? For the moment, let&#8217;s leave aside the politics and sociology and just look at the logistics. Yes, if the need and threat were great enough and our government could impress that upon the populace, we certainly have the manpower available to dredge up such a force. But we wouldn&#8217;t. Not for lack of will, but for lack of need. That&#8217;s simply not how we fight anymore. There are a couple of powers left in the world (primarily the Russians and the Chinese) who could seriously challenge us, but none of us have much interest in that sort of a doomsday scenario. The other opponents who we seem to express any interest in fighting are far smaller and simply don&#8217;t stand a chance against a full blown military assault by the United States.</p>
<p>Think back for a moment to the beginning of the current Iraq war. (And for that matter, the same may be said for the original fight in Desert Storm.) Yes, we did actually engage in a real &#8220;war&#8221; in the traditional sense of the word, with the government of Iraq. It lasted roughly six weeks. (And it only took that long because we had to stop and ask directions so often because none of the signs were in English.) We lost, in relative terms, only a handful of soldiers. The real losses we encountered came later during the peace keeping and &#8220;stabilization&#8221; efforts in the cities, long after we had defeated the Iraqi army and taken control of their capitol.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t fight battles the way we did in World War II. There are no vast armies, moving in formation across foreign lands to charge into the fray with equally large masses of men. We monitor the movement of troops and armor from space and send in our high tech air power in advance to pound the enemy to a pulp long before the grunts on the ground show up. And forget about any fixed weapons batteries or collections of mobile armor such as tanks. We take them out with missiles, stealth fighters and Blackhawks long before the troops arrive. I say this not to denigrate the work and sacrifice of our troops today and in these modern wars, but as a simple observation. In open battle, our troops today are called on more to do &#8220;mop-up&#8221; work than to engage in any land battles with enemy forces of sufficient size to wage a pitched battle. So a 1.6 million man army would be more of a hindrance than a help in the wars we fight today.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re a high technology force, against which the simple, dog-face ground troops of most nations stand no chance. This is why they adapt strategies which many of us label as cowardly, running and hiding out of uniform among civilians, and fighting with improvised explosive devices. They can&#8217;t compete with us, so they adopt the strategies of the Vietnamese, the Somalians, and others who have found varying degrees of success through guerrilla tactics. For our part, we don&#8217;t have much use for gigantic columns of troops trundling across foreign lands in the numbers we deployed across France so long ago.</p>
<p>At the other end of the scale is the possibility of such a war with Russia or China. Again, it&#8217;s unlikely that massive armies of ground troops would be effective. Those enemies are equally high tech and would deploy hellfire from above on any such assemblage of troops and armor. Plus, there is the always extant threat of nukes bring broken out if things begin to go badly for either side. Destruction can be carried out on a far more massive scale than the death which can be dealt by a few thousand men carrying rifles. These would be far more massive and potentially world ending wars, but they would be fought primarily in the theater of technology. The idea of an actual land invasion of either China or the United States seems improbably in the extreme.</p>
<p>Now to the other major question: do we have the will as a nation? Are we made of the same stuff that molded the Greatest Generation? Again, I think the will is still there, but the threat would have to be real and understandable by the vast majority. Unlike the WW2 era, people are better informed and perhaps more skeptical of the government&#8217;s actions and motives. (Which is a good thing, by the way.) We don&#8217;t automatically accept the government&#8217;s call to arms and feel free to debate the issue at length. But if we were faced with an actual threat to our nation from a strong opponent, much the same as we drew together as a nation on Sept. 12, 2001, I believe we would rise up as we have in the past and do what needed to be done.</p>
<p>As to having &#8220;the right stuff,&#8221; this is a question which probably doesn&#8217;t need to be asked. Soft times make soft men. Hard times produce grizzled warriors. When the time came and it was &#8220;do or die&#8221; our forces would be molded into the warriors we required. Great deeds would be done, tragedies would unfold and the stories would write themselves over the ages to come.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s ever going to happen. We have a few, big school hall monitors on the planet. If two smaller countries start a war, the big kids will condemn the action, convince the rest of the world to condemn it as well, and stop it from spiraling out of control, nation to nation, as it did in WW2. If one of the big nations such as the United States goes to war against a smaller one, such as Iran, it will be another case of enemies who slip away into the night and fight us one car bomb at a time in the streets of their cities. And if two of the big parties do decide to go all in, it will be a high tech war of destruction more than armies of individual men with rifles and grenades.</p>
<p>And more&#8217;s the pity, really. If we did have to face the massive scale of personal carnage that we saw back in the day, we might think a bit longer and harder before going to the mat. But the world has grown up and moved on. We just don&#8217;t fight that way any more.</p>
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		<title>“Michele Bachmann:Going Crazy”</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[City Pages, an alternative weekly here in Minnesota has done a write-up about Michele Bachmann, who represents the Sixth District. Many people already know her from her rants on Fox News and other national media outlets, but the City Pages story starts from the beginning, when she unseated a moderate Republican State Senator to her [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/1511.cover-small.jpg" alt="" width="246" height="290" />City Pages, an alternative weekly here in Minnesota has done <a href="http://www.citypages.com/2009-11-18/news/michele-bachmann-crazy-like-a-fox/">a write-up about Michele Bachmann, who represents the Sixth District</a>. Many people already know her from her rants on Fox News and other national media outlets, but the City Pages story starts from the beginning, when she unseated a moderate Republican State Senator to her time in St. Paul when she showed the same crazy behavior.<span id="more-53694"></span></p>
<p>I think the article is a fair represntation of Bachmann, though the writer&#8217;s characterization of the Sixth District, which stretches from the state&#8217;s Eastern border across the northern suburbs of Minneapolis-St. Paul to Central Minnesota shows his liberal bias and disdain for suburbs. What it shows is how Bachmann, like Sarah Palin has become the face of the GOP (hence, City Pages&#8217; cover which looks like the cover to Sarah Palin&#8217;s book) and how that has some people worried and others estactic. Eva Young, who for the last several years has headed a blog on Bachmann, <a href="http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2009/11/money-quote-from-city-pages-feature-on.html">shares what she thinks are the main points of the cover story: </a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;many worry that those and similar remarks are detrimental to the national Republican Party&#8217;s credibility, which is why not everyone inside the GOP is thrilled at the prospect of Bachmann becoming the face of their party. One senior Republican strategist, speaking on condition of anonymity, concedes that there&#8217;s some trepidation within the GOP establishment.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can tell you she has a few quiet detractors within the Republican Party,&#8221; says the strategist. &#8220;Put it this way: There&#8217;ve been some who&#8217;ve raised an eyebrow over the things she&#8217;s said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevertheless, GOP higher-ups have shown no effort to muzzle Bachmann, which suggests she fills an important role. Looking on the other side of the political aisle, the DFL, for all its squawking about Bachmann, has benefitted financially from her ravings as well.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are certainly people inside the DFL who think she&#8217;s good for the party,&#8221; says Jeremy Powers, a DFL chair in Bachmann&#8217;s district. &#8220;Some think fighting for the Sixth District isn&#8217;t worth it, because the sum advantage of having her around is better than ousting her.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a point DFL Party Chair Brian Melendez concedes but doesn&#8217;t endorse.</p>
<p>&#8220;While obviously I like being able to raise money against Republican candidates, and while I like for there to be a convenient boogeyman like her, the price of having an ineffective representative for an entire congressional district is just too high.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Bachmann also surprisingly <a href="http://www.citypages.com/2009-11-18/news/michele-bachmann-the-complete-interview/">took part in an interview with the City Pages that is also worth a read</a>. It doesn&#8217;t shed any new light, but it still shows a good glimpse of the person representing the Sixth.</p>
<p><a href="http://republicansunited.us/2009/11/michele-bachmanngoing-crazy/">Crossposted at Republicans United</a></p>
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		<title>Hezbollah’s Man in Iran Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour Has Enemies In Iran</title>
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By most measures, Hezbollah&#8217;s Man in Iran Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour should be a hero &#8212; yet he now faces some severe critics and staunch enemies there. Why?

In a must-read piece on RealClearWorld, Meir Javedanfar, RCW&#8217;s Iranian-Israeli Middle East analyst and a regular contributor to RealClearWorld and co-author of The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad [...]]]></description>
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<p>By most measures, Hezbollah&#8217;s Man in Iran Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour should be a hero &#8212; yet he now faces some severe critics and staunch enemies there. Why?<br />
<a href="http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/11/20/hezbollahs_man_in_iran_97378.html"><br />
In a must-read piece on RealClearWorld, </a>Meir Javedanfar, RCW&#8217;s Iranian-Israeli Middle East analyst and a regular contributor to RealClearWorld and co-author of The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran, says its due to a factor that underscores the complexities of modern Iran:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour is, after all, the Iranian who established Hezbollah in Lebanon. The first man who tried and failed was Mostafa Chamran&#8230;..In 1982, Mohtashamipour succeeded where Chamran had failed by convincing the new Hezbollah movement to accept Ayatollah Khomeini&#8217;s religious authority. The rest, as they say, is history.</p>
<p><strong>You would be forgiven for thinking that Mohtashamipour is treated like a hero in Iran, but the reality is quite different. Many conservatives hate him; despite the fact that he created what many believe is Islamic Iran&#8217;s most successful political and military ally in the Middle East. The reason is simple: he is a reformist.</p>
<p>On many occasions, security guards have had to ward off physical attacks against him by neo-conservative students and Basijis who have no problem declaring their undying love and appreciation for Hezbollah. Yet they can&#8217;t stand Mohtashamipour, because he wants reform within the system. On one occasion in the mid-90&#8217;s, when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the governor of the Ardebil province, Mohtashamipour had to be pulled away from a mob of ultra-religious students by the the future Iranian president. Mohtashamipour took refuge at Ahmadinejad&#8217;s house until the next day, when he was able to return to Tehran.<strong></p>
<p>The recent unrest in Iran has made life more difficult for Mohtashamipour. During a recent visit to Damascus, he was shadowed and harassed. Not by the Mossad or the CIA, but by allies of Ahmadinejad. He was not left alone, even when he visited the Sayyida Zeinab shrine. At one point he was even told &#8220;you wouldn&#8217;t dare return to Iran&#8221; by the operatives shadowing him around the city.</p>
<p>The treatment of Mohtashamipour provides the West with a strong indication of the roots of Iran&#8217;s current erratic behavior. When the Iranian founder of Hezbollah is treated this way because he disagrees with Ahmadinejad and Khamenei, others who stand in their way have much more to worry about.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>There&#8217;s a lot more, so read it in full.</em></p>
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What is the significance of President Obama&#8217;s habit of bowing to foreign royalty? Continuing with our coverage of China&#8217;s reaction to president Obama&#8217;s Asia tour, Diguo Zhunjiang for China&#8217;s state-controlled Global Geographic Times asserts that while this results in a great loss of face for the United States, he warns his readers not to be [...]]]></description>
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<p>What is the significance of President Obama&#8217;s habit of bowing to foreign royalty? Continuing with our coverage of China&#8217;s reaction to president Obama&#8217;s Asia tour, <a href="http://worldmeets.us/globalgeographictimes000015.shtml">Diguo Zhunjiang for China&#8217;s state-controlled <em>Global Geographic Times</em></a> asserts that while this results in a great loss of face for the United States, he warns his readers not to be lulled into a sense of complacency by Obama&#8217;s apparent shows of respect.</p>
<p>For China&#8217;s <a href="http://worldmeets.us/globalgeographictimes000015.shtml"><em>Global Geographic Times</em>, Diguo Zhunjiang </a>writes in part:</p>
<p>&#8220;I regard this as a performance. If we say that his bow upon meeting the Saudi king was a genuine expression of traditional royal awe by the newly-elected Obama, then we can also say that this time, his bow was a way of getting back at domestic critics. His intentions are quite obvious: he wants a change from the cowboy-style arrogance of his predecessor Bush in order to re-establish the United States as a model of civility, but on a deeper level, repair the damage that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have done to America&#8217;s image.</p>
<p>&#8220;Regardless of how humble it is in appearance, arrogant strategic thinking is in America&#8217;s bones and will continue to be so. So we shouldn&#8217;t place any hope in this false smile that has been grafted onto the United States. Rather, we should be more vigilant.&#8221;</p>
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<blockquote><p>By Diguo Zhunjiang</p>
<p>Translated By Mark Klingman</p>
<p>November 15, 2009</p>
<p>People&#8217;s Republic of China &#8211; Global Geographic Times &#8211; Original Article (China)</p>
<p>While in Tokyo, at noon on November 14, U.S. President Barack Obama met the Japanese emperor and empress at the Imperial Palace in Tokyo. Upon meeting him at the door of the royal residence, the tall Mr. Obama made an almost 90-degree bow and shook the Emperor&#8217;s hand. Obama stopped just shy of a deep bow, and shook hands warmly with the emperor and empress, saying, &#8220;it&#8217;s really an honor to meet you, your majesty.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not his opinions or the fact he&#8217;s a boot-licker. It&#8217;s not his sexism or that he switches positions depending on who looks like the winner at the moment.</p>
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<p><a id="aptureLink_KVJ19F17a5" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/vp/34070880#34070880">THIS</a> is why Chris Matthews drives me crazy. (I wanted to embed the video, but I couldn&#8217;t.)</p>
<p>I mean, what is the name of that film technique where they &#8220;twin&#8221; a person? You know, like in <em>The Patty Duke Show</em>, or <em>The Parent Trap</em>? Why doesn&#8217;t Matthews do that and just interview himself about this new book? Why waste the actual author&#8217;s time?</p>
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		<title>Could We Win if We Had to Fight World War II Today? (Guest Voice)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could we Win if We Had to Fight World War II Today?
by Rick Moran
The debate over &#8220;The Greatest Generation&#8221; and whether the way America is today could duplicate their stunning achievements in winning two wars and fighting through a depression while maintaining unity has been hashed and rehashed by far superior minds than mine.
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<p>by Rick Moran</strong></p>
<p>The debate over &#8220;The Greatest Generation&#8221; and whether the way America is today could duplicate their stunning achievements in winning two wars and fighting through a depression while maintaining unity has been hashed and rehashed by far superior minds than mine.</p>
<p>But I just can&#8217;t help thinking about it after watching the History Channel this week and their excellent series, <a href="http://www.history.com/content/wwii-in-hd">&#8220;Word War II in HD.&#8221; </a></p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t been able to catch any of it, they will run the entire 10 hours on Saturday starting at 8:00 am central time.</p>
<p>Quite simply, it is the grandest, the most heartbreaking, the most stirring documentary series on World War II ever made. And that includes both &#8220;Victory at Sea&#8221; and &#8220;The World at War.&#8221;</p>
<p>TWAW is the gold standard &#8211; 32 hours of in-depth analysis of the politics, the strategy, the personalities, and ordeals experienced by civilians during the war. But it is rather soulless. It&#8217;s academic approach can be dry, although the images and words of survivors lend an emotionalism outside the rather clinical analysis offered.</p>
<p>&#8220;Victory at Sea,&#8221; on the other hand, went hard for dramatic effect. With the sonorous voice of Leonard Graves supplying the narration and music by Broadway impresario Richard Rodgers, VAS was a made for TV blockbuster that went right for the heart and kept the viewer entranced with its quick cuts, and snappy pace.</p>
<p>Other documentaries of individual battles (there have been a couple of excellent treatments of D-Day) have suffered from using stock footage that, if you watch enough of these things, you recognize from other projects.</p>
<p>But the History Channel sojourn into the past with &#8220;World War II in HD&#8221; is everything a good documentary should be; highly original, well scripted, images lining up with narration in an artistic mix, all the while marching forward with a pace that allows the viewer to digest the information and feel what the documentarian is feeling about his subject.</p>
<p>But it is the images that capture the mind and rend the soul. Culled from literally thousands of home movies &#8211; many in color &#8211; and long lost color combat footage, there is a freshness and even an immediacy about the entire package that has held me absolutely in thrall for the entire run of the series.</p>
<p>The technique is itself, fresh and original. Focusing on several individuals who fought in both the Pacific and Atlantic theaters, the survivors take us through everything from the home front, their battle experiences, the horror, mud, blood, guts, and monumental sense of loss when a comrade falls. The narration is accompanied by stunning combat footage &#8211; real &#8220;You Are There&#8221; images of mortar rounds exploding just feet from the camera, horrific sights of the wounded and dead, and always, the total destruction that war leaves in its wake.</p>
<p>A small example of the originality of the series can be found in the way that the narration will, from time to time, fade out slowly and the reading of the script is picked up by the actual survivor. It is an extraordinarily effective technique in that it humanizes the actor reading the narration when, after just a few seconds of the survivor reading, the voice of the actor portraying him is slowly brought back up, while the survivor&#8217;s words fade away. This is not a new technique but it it works spectacularly.</p>
<p>The music is obtrusive without overwhelming the action. Indeed, the music is used as a dramatic device to measure the pace of the documentary, mirroring the pace of the excellent narration (Gary Sinise). Beautiful editing builds bridges to each succeeding scene, allowing for seamless segues from clip to clip. A truly masterful job.</p>
<p>A word about the HD: It could be that they really didn&#8217;t have anything else to call the project, what with &#8220;World War II in Color&#8221; already taken. Shooting the program in HD is not the reason to watch it, nor is much of it in HD anyway. The films, as you can imagine, are grainy, and out of focus at times so even with an HD TV, it really doesn&#8217;t enhance the viewing experience that much.</p>
<p>All in all, &#8220;World War II in HD&#8221; is a triumph of documentary film making that should do for World War II what Ken Burns&#8217; &#8220;Civil War&#8221; did for that conflict; bringing the viewer up close to the war while allowing  us to get to know some fascinating characters who increase our understanding of the conflict. (Burns&#8217; &#8220;The War&#8221; was good but lacked the dramatic punch of the History Channel treatment.)</p>
<p>And as the last scenes of the documentary faded and the survivors, now all near or over 80 years old were left with their memories, it hit me that the hackneyed question about whether America today could pull together and perform such magnificent feats of arms and industry as those that my father&#8217;s generation manged, needed another airing.</p>
<p>Strip away our gadgets, our scientific wonders, and all the cultural, economic, and social touchstones that make up America today and ask yourself; How much like them are we? There&#8217;s no doubt that we are quite different in some respects. But like Robert Graves, the great essayist of the World War I generation who saw extraordinary love in the sacrifice of soldiers who marched lockstep into the most murderous fire, is there that kind of feeling for America today that would allow us to meet such huge challenges?</p>
<p>By World War II standards, our military is tiny. More than 16,000,000 Americans wore their country&#8217;s uniform in the Second World War. But there is little doubt that our current military is every bit as good, soldier for soldier, as those who beat the Nazis and the Japanese. So the question isn&#8217;t really a military one. It is a question of character. The real question should be; How similar is the character of today&#8217;s American to that of the World War II generation? Are we made of the same stuff? Do we believe in America as passionately as they did &#8211; enough to put aside our political differences and unite to see the job through to its conclusion?</p>
<p>I have my doubts. The whole idea of American sovereignty is fast disappearing &#8211; or at least the sort of sovereignty the WWII generation believed in. Call it a blind faith if you will, or perhaps you think it small minded and childish to harbor such notions that sometimes, there is only one side to take and that is the side of the country of your birth. It&#8217;s called &#8220;chauvinism&#8221; today and is quite unfashionable. But without it, we might have quit in 1944. Without that absolute certainty that we were in the right felt by the overwhelming majority of Americans whether at the battlefront or the homefront &#8211; whether fighting with a gun, or laboring in the factories and fields &#8211; I don&#8217;t think we could have done it.</p>
<p>There are many who would celebrate this loss of faith as the inevitable result of America &#8220;growing up&#8221; or worse, the consequence of a government that has betrayed the people time and again whether it was Viet Nam, Watergate, or some other national event that showed our leaders using us, lying to us, or betraying the principles on which the country was founded.</p>
<p>And yet&#8230;</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know, do we? As implacable a foe as radical Islamism, it can&#8217;t come close to the existential threat of Hitler and his thugs or the economic threat to our emerging commercial empire in the Far East by Japan. And remember, all of this played out with the backdrop of a national depression where unemployment was still over 10% and most people hurting economically.</p>
<p>I want to believe we&#8217;d be up to those kinds of threats regardless of about which generation of Americans you want to talk. I don&#8217;t think it would matter what era you choose, I still see Americans as comprising a specific, exceptional &#8220;race&#8221; if you will. There are national characteristics unique to people who live here that are found nowhere else. We simply couldn&#8217;t have achieved what we have achieved, overcome what we&#8217;ve been able to overcome (self-inflicted or otherwise) without some spark deep within us that makes us &#8220;Americans.&#8221;</p>
<p>The conventional answer might be that we wouldn&#8217;t stand a chance fighting a long war like WWII today. But one thing is for sure; if I were a foreign power, I wouldn&#8217;t make the mistake that the Kaiser made in 1917, Tojo and Hitler made in 1941, or Saddam made in 1991.</p>
<p>And that is underestimate the United States of America.<br />
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Rick Moran is Associate Editor of <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/">The American Thinker</a> and Chicago Editor of <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/">Pajamas Media</a>. His personal blog is <a href="http://rightwingnuthouse.com/">Right Wing Nuthouse.</a></em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve reached a point where my friend Ed Morrissey and I must come to a parting of the ways on the current health care debate, though we&#8217;ve seen eye to eye on most portions of it up until now. Tomorrow, the Senate will face a procedural vote to open debate on their version of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve reached a point where my friend Ed Morrissey and I must come to a parting of the ways on the current health care debate, though we&#8217;ve seen eye to eye on most portions of it up until now. Tomorrow, the Senate <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/68835-vitter-predicts-reid-will-get-exactly-60-votes-on-first-health-test">will face a procedural vote</a> to open debate on their version of the bill. Note: This is not a vote on the bill itself, signaling approval or disapproval. It&#8217;s simply a vote to allow debate to begin.</p>
<p>Ed is urging his readers to <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/20/melt-the-phones-senate-vote-saturday-to-proceed-on-obamacare-debate/">melt the phones</a> and get their Senators to vote against this. I&#8217;m sorry to say, this is entirely wrong headed thinking. (Though I did call both of my Senators today to remind them of my opposition to the bill itself in its current form.)</p>
<p>Whether they be Republicans or moderate Democrats, I would urge a full throated yes vote tomorrow. To vote no on this action is to say, &#8220;<em>No. We are, as you have suggested, nothing more than the <strong>Party of No</strong>. We have no ideas to present. We have no alternate suggestions. We just don&#8217;t want to talk about it.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>You have plenty of ideas and many valid objections to the bill as presented, and an open debate on the floor of the upper chamber is exactly where this should play out in full view of the voters, the press and the public. You should be pointing out that the proposed methods for paying for this plan are mostly fiction. You should be pointing out the across the board taxes which will be imposed. You should be pointing out the highly dubious constitutional basis of any mandate by the federal government forcing citizens to purchase a product from a private provider. You should be pointing out the damaging effect on a major private industry (along with all the jobs that entails) of any so called &#8220;public option.&#8221;</p>
<p>These are all valid, solid selling points for your argument. You need to make these points like adults and then move toward starting over with a new, leaner bill that accomplishes what so many Americans want in health insurance reform without all of the damaging side effects and costs. But if you vote no on even opening debate, none of this happens. You are simply the party of no. There will be time over the course of this debate to continue digging into the bill&#8217;s particulars and bringing these items to the attention of the public. If you vote no, you should be ashamed of yourselves and just get out of the way.</p>
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