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		<title>Comment on What is Acts 29? by Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff. I'm not sure if I can answer your question, because I've been an atheist as long as I can remember having the intellectual capacity to consider such a question about myself. It isn't as though I read Dawkins or Hitchens and gave up my previously devout faith. (I actually still haven't read any of the atheism-focused books by either of them.)

My father is Presbyterian and my mother's beliefs are probably best described as Deist. I was baptized Presbyterian and after attending that church for a few years we started going to a Unitarian Universalist congregation. I think the UU upbringing and my parents' attitudes encouraged me to ask questions and explore different possible beliefs. That led me to learn about a wide variety of religious traditions and made me able to look at them all as an outsider -- perhaps under the original pretext of choosing which one best fit me, but it ultimately resulted in me seeing them all as equally warranted (that is, not-at-all warranted) superstitions.

I was never told, "This is true. Believe this or you'll go to hell," about any particular religion. I was told, "This is what some people believe," and asked, "What do you think about that?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff. I&#8217;m not sure if I can answer your question, because I&#8217;ve been an atheist as long as I can remember having the intellectual capacity to consider such a question about myself. It isn&#8217;t as though I read Dawkins or Hitchens and gave up my previously devout faith. (I actually still haven&#8217;t read any of the atheism-focused books by either of them.)</p>
<p>My father is Presbyterian and my mother&#8217;s beliefs are probably best described as Deist. I was baptized Presbyterian and after attending that church for a few years we started going to a Unitarian Universalist congregation. I think the UU upbringing and my parents&#8217; attitudes encouraged me to ask questions and explore different possible beliefs. That led me to learn about a wide variety of religious traditions and made me able to look at them all as an outsider &#8212; perhaps under the original pretext of choosing which one best fit me, but it ultimately resulted in me seeing them all as equally warranted (that is, not-at-all warranted) superstitions.</p>
<p>I was never told, &#8220;This is true. Believe this or you&#8217;ll go to hell,&#8221; about any particular religion. I was told, &#8220;This is what some people believe,&#8221; and asked, &#8220;What do you think about that?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is Acts 29? by Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Z, just curious if you wouldn't mind sharing what influences were most critical in shaping your atheistic perspective? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Z, just curious if you wouldn&#8217;t mind sharing what influences were most critical in shaping your atheistic perspective? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being bad at math by Kendell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To sum it up in a nut-shell: if i practice, i'm good at math.  If i don't, i'm bad at math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To sum it up in a nut-shell: if i practice, i&#8217;m good at math.  If i don&#8217;t, i&#8217;m bad at math.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Alternative medicine: worth a try? by bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you admit to lacking the scientific background behind psilocybin to form an opinion on it, yet you are rather blatant in your dismissive tone of referring to acupuncture as believed to work "in some vague, magical way." clearly you lack any background in chinese medicine whatsoever, so why the bias? 

there have been numerous studies which have demonstrated the efficacy of acupuncture, even though the studies admit that more research needs to be done, as it is still not fully understood. just because the principles behind eastern medicine don't align with our scientific models of understanding the universe, doesn't necessarily invalidate them as legitimate forms of treatment. 

the studies you linked to that claimed that the placebos were more effective than the acupuncture are actually severely flawed and riddled with biases. how can the sham treatment be considered a placebo if it's being administered in the exact same location as the real treatment? 

and even if the placebo did outperform the acupuncture, it seems that you skeptics seem to overlook the fact that the acupuncture and the placebo both outperformed the standard medical treatments. at the end of the day, i think a patient suffering from a certain ailment will gladly take a placebo that outperforms the "scientifically proven" standard medical treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you admit to lacking the scientific background behind psilocybin to form an opinion on it, yet you are rather blatant in your dismissive tone of referring to acupuncture as believed to work &#8220;in some vague, magical way.&#8221; clearly you lack any background in chinese medicine whatsoever, so why the bias? </p>
<p>there have been numerous studies which have demonstrated the efficacy of acupuncture, even though the studies admit that more research needs to be done, as it is still not fully understood. just because the principles behind eastern medicine don&#8217;t align with our scientific models of understanding the universe, doesn&#8217;t necessarily invalidate them as legitimate forms of treatment. </p>
<p>the studies you linked to that claimed that the placebos were more effective than the acupuncture are actually severely flawed and riddled with biases. how can the sham treatment be considered a placebo if it&#8217;s being administered in the exact same location as the real treatment? </p>
<p>and even if the placebo did outperform the acupuncture, it seems that you skeptics seem to overlook the fact that the acupuncture and the placebo both outperformed the standard medical treatments. at the end of the day, i think a patient suffering from a certain ailment will gladly take a placebo that outperforms the &#8220;scientifically proven&#8221; standard medical treatment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Think before you speak by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 22:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'jerry rigged', 'jewed outa something' ...a lot of expressions first become dated and then inappropriate. I guess 'being so gay' is close to being inappropriate BUT 'blonde jokes' and 'bald jokes' and 'Catholic jokes' and 'hillbilly jokes' and...and...and...demonstrate that one's sensitivity to 'offensive' jokes is more a matter of time than its PRESUMED meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;jerry rigged&#8217;, &#8216;jewed outa something&#8217; &#8230;a lot of expressions first become dated and then inappropriate. I guess &#8216;being so gay&#8217; is close to being inappropriate BUT &#8216;blonde jokes&#8217; and &#8216;bald jokes&#8217; and &#8216;Catholic jokes&#8217; and &#8216;hillbilly jokes&#8217; and&#8230;and&#8230;and&#8230;demonstrate that one&#8217;s sensitivity to &#8216;offensive&#8217; jokes is more a matter of time than its PRESUMED meaning.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Skeptics’ Circle #105: The Shakespeare Edition by Carnivalia — 2/11 – 2/17 | Sorting out Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnivalia — 2/11 – 2/17 | Sorting out Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Skeptics’ Circle #105: The Shakespeare Edition   This entry was posted in Astronomy, Biology, Carnivalia, Communicating science, Critical thinking, History, Humanity, Space and tagged Astronomy, Biology, Carnivalia, Communicating science, History, Humanity, Space. Bookmark the permalink.    ← The scientific tourist #60 — Shepard's ride Casual Friday — an eclipse of the Sun, as seen from the Moon! → [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Skeptics’ Circle #105: The Shakespeare Edition   This entry was posted in Astronomy, Biology, Carnivalia, Communicating science, Critical thinking, History, Humanity, Space and tagged Astronomy, Biology, Carnivalia, Communicating science, History, Humanity, Space. Bookmark the permalink.    &larr; The scientific tourist #60 &#8212; Shepard&#039;s ride Casual Friday &#8212; an eclipse of the Sun, as seen from the Moon! &rarr; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is Acts 29? by Zychan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zychan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I just wanted to weigh in on one particular paragraph from Z:

***
I understand that there are a variety of ways to interpret the Bible. From my point of view, it’s a lose-lose situation — either you believe what is in the Bible word for word, which means you believe God approves of genocide, slavery, infanticide, oppression, and all sorts of other nasty things, or there are some things in the Bible you believe to be definitely true and some things you don’t. If you see some passages as metaphorical, better suited for ancient times than our day, or clearly a relic of the culture that wrote them down, why those parts and not others? Ultimately it is a concession that your own intuition trumps the Bible, which seems a lot more like an atheist position than a Christian one.
***
To address this briefly, I would say that just because something is in the Bible, does not mean that it is endorsed by God.  The Bible is not just a record of God's dealings with Man and visa-versa, but also a record of Man's dealings with Man.
As such, you will find all manner of atrocities detailed in the Bible, but that does not mean that God places his stamp of approval upon them.  Indeed, how could He address these things without listing them?
And finally, for having to take every word as literal, there is really no conundrum here at all; context is everything.  This may not appear so apparent at first when one simply plucks a verse or two out of a book, but when you place it back in and look at the overall context, it will typically become obvious whether it is intended to be literal, metaphoric, poetic, etc.  Of course, sometimes it is obvious immediately, and sometimes it takes some more study.  The funny thing is, no one thinks a thing of doing textual criticism of Shakespeare, yet it is not so common with the Bible, which as argument goes, would be infinitely more important and immediately pertinent.
Thank you for your time.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I just wanted to weigh in on one particular paragraph from Z:</p>
<p>***<br />
I understand that there are a variety of ways to interpret the Bible. From my point of view, it’s a lose-lose situation — either you believe what is in the Bible word for word, which means you believe God approves of genocide, slavery, infanticide, oppression, and all sorts of other nasty things, or there are some things in the Bible you believe to be definitely true and some things you don’t. If you see some passages as metaphorical, better suited for ancient times than our day, or clearly a relic of the culture that wrote them down, why those parts and not others? Ultimately it is a concession that your own intuition trumps the Bible, which seems a lot more like an atheist position than a Christian one.<br />
***<br />
To address this briefly, I would say that just because something is in the Bible, does not mean that it is endorsed by God.  The Bible is not just a record of God&#8217;s dealings with Man and visa-versa, but also a record of Man&#8217;s dealings with Man.<br />
As such, you will find all manner of atrocities detailed in the Bible, but that does not mean that God places his stamp of approval upon them.  Indeed, how could He address these things without listing them?<br />
And finally, for having to take every word as literal, there is really no conundrum here at all; context is everything.  This may not appear so apparent at first when one simply plucks a verse or two out of a book, but when you place it back in and look at the overall context, it will typically become obvious whether it is intended to be literal, metaphoric, poetic, etc.  Of course, sometimes it is obvious immediately, and sometimes it takes some more study.  The funny thing is, no one thinks a thing of doing textual criticism of Shakespeare, yet it is not so common with the Bible, which as argument goes, would be infinitely more important and immediately pertinent.<br />
Thank you for your time.  <img src='http://www.thoughtcounts.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Grad students, 1… by Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is pretty typical behaviour.  When I was "down on my luck" a few years back I used to dumpster dive at the local mall all the time.  The best time to go is when the stores were changing over from one season to another - lots of great finds.  Like the article says, many were damaged in someway to prevent people like me doing what we do, but truth is with a little thread &amp; ingenuity they could be fixed up, and on a cold night a jacket with a hole in it was better than no jacket at all.  Sometimes the clothes wouldn't be damaged at all, and would still be in their original shipment packaging.  Such a waste!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this is pretty typical behaviour.  When I was &#8220;down on my luck&#8221; a few years back I used to dumpster dive at the local mall all the time.  The best time to go is when the stores were changing over from one season to another &#8211; lots of great finds.  Like the article says, many were damaged in someway to prevent people like me doing what we do, but truth is with a little thread &amp; ingenuity they could be fixed up, and on a cold night a jacket with a hole in it was better than no jacket at all.  Sometimes the clothes wouldn&#8217;t be damaged at all, and would still be in their original shipment packaging.  Such a waste!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Unstart | Logikal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 14:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Think before you speak by aray</title>
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		<dc:creator>aray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 03:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why do faggots and lesbians get so offended that is a choiceof lifestyle God did not create them no where in the BIBLE that is a choice of sin.He created MAN and WOMAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do faggots and lesbians get so offended that is a choiceof lifestyle God did not create them no where in the BIBLE that is a choice of sin.He created MAN and WOMAN.</p>
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