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		<title>Comment on Karma Dilemma by tubelite</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. Further down the chapter,
&lt;blockquote&gt;
... in real life it is often possible to make a statistical guess as to how much longer the game is &lt;em&gt;likely&lt;/em&gt; to last. This assessment may become an important part of strategy...

... Each player can be expected to behave as if he possessed a continuously updated estimate of how long the game is likely to go on. The longer his estimate, the more he will play according to the mathematician's expectations for the true iterated game: in other words, the nicer, more forgiving, less envious he will be. The shorter his estimate of the future of the game, the more he will be inclined to play according to the mathematician's expectations for the one-off game: the nastier, and less forgiving will he be.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Karma plays out in the same medium again and again - like a pawn which marches off the end of the board and re-emerges, perhaps in a different form, back at square one of the same game. Contrast this with other theologies in which a pawn goes off the "Earth" board to a different game forever. The Pascal argument surfaces, and given the infinity of time you are expected to spend in the afterlife, it pays to optimize your chances for the one-shot decision point which determines whether you score a harp or a red-hot trident up the backside for the rest of forever. For expansionist reasons, many religions have an amnesty scheme where all you need to do is sign on the dotted line of sincere belief and repentance and any negative score you have accumulated is reset, plus you get a ticket to harpdom. A smart player can &lt;strong&gt;defect&lt;/strong&gt; for most of his duration on the earth board, gaining hugely in "material" score, and signing up for the Prodigal Son program just before he's due to exit to the next board.

One of these schemes has an elegance born of simplicity and symmetry, and leads to "good" behaviour. The other can lead to highly &lt;strong&gt;defect&lt;/strong&gt;ive behaviour against fellow humans - some of it religiously endorsed - without diminishing anticipation of the eternal raisin-filled desserts of paradise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Further down the chapter,</p>
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&#8230; in real life it is often possible to make a statistical guess as to how much longer the game is <em>likely</em> to last. This assessment may become an important part of strategy&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; Each player can be expected to behave as if he possessed a continuously updated estimate of how long the game is likely to go on. The longer his estimate, the more he will play according to the mathematician&#8217;s expectations for the true iterated game: in other words, the nicer, more forgiving, less envious he will be. The shorter his estimate of the future of the game, the more he will be inclined to play according to the mathematician&#8217;s expectations for the one-off game: the nastier, and less forgiving will he be.
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<p>Karma plays out in the same medium again and again &#8211; like a pawn which marches off the end of the board and re-emerges, perhaps in a different form, back at square one of the same game. Contrast this with other theologies in which a pawn goes off the &#8220;Earth&#8221; board to a different game forever. The Pascal argument surfaces, and given the infinity of time you are expected to spend in the afterlife, it pays to optimize your chances for the one-shot decision point which determines whether you score a harp or a red-hot trident up the backside for the rest of forever. For expansionist reasons, many religions have an amnesty scheme where all you need to do is sign on the dotted line of sincere belief and repentance and any negative score you have accumulated is reset, plus you get a ticket to harpdom. A smart player can <strong>defect</strong> for most of his duration on the earth board, gaining hugely in &#8220;material&#8221; score, and signing up for the Prodigal Son program just before he&#8217;s due to exit to the next board.</p>
<p>One of these schemes has an elegance born of simplicity and symmetry, and leads to &#8220;good&#8221; behaviour. The other can lead to highly <strong>defect</strong>ive behaviour against fellow humans &#8211; some of it religiously endorsed &#8211; without diminishing anticipation of the eternal raisin-filled desserts of paradise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Karma Dilemma by Venkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that's actually a very clever and tight analogy. to make it more precise, I'd say your probability of defecting depends on your expectation that the current iteration is the last one. one way to model this is to basically use NPV analysis, where your discounting of the future represents the risk that the future might not happen, and you can actually use the sort of 'do a discounted integration of future moves' thing to show that tit-for-tat is optimal in an ESS sense.

there is a similar probability thing in karma -- recall Pascal's clever computation, where he said even if there is only a small probability of god/heaven/hell being true, it pays to be religious because the upside/downside are so extreme compared to the neutral outcome of atheism. 

so i think your argument can actually be made completely mathematical. what is the probability that grandpa will come back and haunt me as a ghost? or as a snake in next-life that bites me? if it is non-zero in a bayesian sense, it makes sense to do ancestor worship, take care of elders etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s actually a very clever and tight analogy. to make it more precise, I&#8217;d say your probability of defecting depends on your expectation that the current iteration is the last one. one way to model this is to basically use NPV analysis, where your discounting of the future represents the risk that the future might not happen, and you can actually use the sort of &#8216;do a discounted integration of future moves&#8217; thing to show that tit-for-tat is optimal in an ESS sense.</p>
<p>there is a similar probability thing in karma &#8212; recall Pascal&#8217;s clever computation, where he said even if there is only a small probability of god/heaven/hell being true, it pays to be religious because the upside/downside are so extreme compared to the neutral outcome of atheism. </p>
<p>so i think your argument can actually be made completely mathematical. what is the probability that grandpa will come back and haunt me as a ghost? or as a snake in next-life that bites me? if it is non-zero in a bayesian sense, it makes sense to do ancestor worship, take care of elders etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Non-intelligent Non-design by K</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mysterious are the ways of g-d, you heathen ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mysterious are the ways of g-d, you heathen <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Non-intelligent Non-design by smritiweb.com » Intelligent design is neither designed nor intelligent</title>
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		<dc:creator>smritiweb.com » Intelligent design is neither designed nor intelligent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] argues that Intelligent Design (i.e. the creationists arguments against Darwinian evolution) is neither designed, nor intelligent with the following argument: Years ago, my father told me of an industrial accident he had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] argues that Intelligent Design (i.e. the creationists arguments against Darwinian evolution) is neither designed, nor intelligent with the following argument: Years ago, my father told me of an industrial accident he had [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Times Archive by Venkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice... the reader format could be improved though.

and you'd keep 'history' and 'geography' as subjects in the post-historical/post-geographic age. tchh tchh :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice&#8230; the reader format could be improved though.</p>
<p>and you&#8217;d keep &#8216;history&#8217; and &#8216;geography&#8217; as subjects in the post-historical/post-geographic age. tchh tchh <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter to the Editor by tubelite</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 08:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There do appear to be a few  mutants of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funes,_the_Memorious" rel="nofollow"&gt;Funes-the-Memorious &lt;/a&gt; type, who can remember everything in painful, vivid detail.

Yup, objective truth gets in the way of too many things for it to be a priority :)

But I'm pretty sure that a combination of trusted computing, signed code, ubiquitous cellphone-cameras, high speed wireless networks will unfold a goldfish bowl dystopia soon. You won't be able to get car insurance without installing one of those things.

"Automatic editors" are going to be needed to analyze and index the insane amounts of video - all that machine vision research is getting another killer use case. You don't need to keep the raw data around - take a  leaf from the brain and just compress it to stick figures with labels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There do appear to be a few  mutants of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funes,_the_Memorious" rel="nofollow">Funes-the-Memorious </a> type, who can remember everything in painful, vivid detail.</p>
<p>Yup, objective truth gets in the way of too many things for it to be a priority <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m pretty sure that a combination of trusted computing, signed code, ubiquitous cellphone-cameras, high speed wireless networks will unfold a goldfish bowl dystopia soon. You won&#8217;t be able to get car insurance without installing one of those things.</p>
<p>&#8220;Automatic editors&#8221; are going to be needed to analyze and index the insane amounts of video &#8211; all that machine vision research is getting another killer use case. You don&#8217;t need to keep the raw data around &#8211; take a  leaf from the brain and just compress it to stick figures with labels.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter to the Editor by Venkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reminds me of the extended discussion of orwellian vs stalinist memory models in dennett's 'how the mind works.' you don't need to get to cameras... our own senses produce enough of a raw bit rate to kill us if we actually had to process the crap we experience. the 2 models are -- we experience truth and store revisionist, or we experience convenient untruths in the first place. as i believe i wrote at some point, we actually seem to do the latter.

the interesting thing about this is that any lossy compression scheme is an implicit model of reality, and like all models, is optimized for particular purposes. we seem to optimize for survivability and happiness, in that order. notions of truth are probably 8th in priority or something.

there was that guy, forget his name, who actually tried to become cybernetic by carrying cameras around all day and logging his life. DARPA sponsored a lifelog project which caused an outcry and was dropped. and now we have all those stream mashups allowing you to do close to that; feeding your life into facebook.

editing is the need of the day of course, but I think wisdom-of-crowds editing works reasonably well as a first-pass filter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reminds me of the extended discussion of orwellian vs stalinist memory models in dennett&#8217;s &#8216;how the mind works.&#8217; you don&#8217;t need to get to cameras&#8230; our own senses produce enough of a raw bit rate to kill us if we actually had to process the crap we experience. the 2 models are &#8212; we experience truth and store revisionist, or we experience convenient untruths in the first place. as i believe i wrote at some point, we actually seem to do the latter.</p>
<p>the interesting thing about this is that any lossy compression scheme is an implicit model of reality, and like all models, is optimized for particular purposes. we seem to optimize for survivability and happiness, in that order. notions of truth are probably 8th in priority or something.</p>
<p>there was that guy, forget his name, who actually tried to become cybernetic by carrying cameras around all day and logging his life. DARPA sponsored a lifelog project which caused an outcry and was dropped. and now we have all those stream mashups allowing you to do close to that; feeding your life into facebook.</p>
<p>editing is the need of the day of course, but I think wisdom-of-crowds editing works reasonably well as a first-pass filter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter to the Editor by K</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 18:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The skywatcher's analogue would be &lt;i&gt;in skilled hands, a 70mm refractor can beat the crap out of a 12" light bucket Dob&lt;/i&gt;. At least, that's what I tell myself when I look at the effin price tags ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The skywatcher&#8217;s analogue would be <i>in skilled hands, a 70mm refractor can beat the crap out of a 12&#8243; light bucket Dob</i>. At least, that&#8217;s what I tell myself when I look at the effin price tags <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Cprsn by K</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 18:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, the use of gdb as a calculator :)

I wrote shell-wrappers around bc that I call "hex" and "dec" to do the obvious!

Yeah, I never liked units either - Google wins hands down there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, the use of gdb as a calculator <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wrote shell-wrappers around bc that I call &#8220;hex&#8221; and &#8220;dec&#8221; to do the obvious!</p>
<p>Yeah, I never liked units either &#8211; Google wins hands down there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cprsn by tubelite</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You lose your bet.
I use bc -l for regular calculations
gdb for decimal to hex to binary conversions - p/x 65536 is so much easier than mucking with ibase and obase in bc
... and google for unit conversions. 58 f in c is so much easier and nicer than units. I don't like units.

[tubelite@socket ~]$ units
2084 units, 71 prefixes, 32 nonlinear units

[see? it's already trying to intimidate you]

You have: 58 f
You want: c
conformability error
        5.8e-14
        2.9979246e+08 m / s

Doesn't it sound like Marvin the robot? "Brain the size of a planet, and they want me to convert F to C, whatever that means".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lose your bet.<br />
I use bc -l for regular calculations<br />
gdb for decimal to hex to binary conversions &#8211; p/x 65536 is so much easier than mucking with ibase and obase in bc<br />
&#8230; and google for unit conversions. 58 f in c is so much easier and nicer than units. I don&#8217;t like units.</p>
<p>[tubelite@socket ~]$ units<br />
2084 units, 71 prefixes, 32 nonlinear units</p>
<p>[see? it's already trying to intimidate you]</p>
<p>You have: 58 f<br />
You want: c<br />
conformability error<br />
        5.8e-14<br />
        2.9979246e+08 m / s</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it sound like Marvin the robot? &#8220;Brain the size of a planet, and they want me to convert F to C, whatever that means&#8221;.</p>
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