We're kicking it off by bringing back our favorite polymath, Tripp Nasty. Initially he told me he wanted to talk about the Buddhism of the 1983 Jon Landis comedy, Trading Places. That didn't really happen, but we did talk some about the movie and a lot about Zen Buddhism, so, there we go.

We've got three deep cuts of Tripp's that he emailed to me the other day. I don't know that they're currently available anywhere, so, enjoy what of them you can.

Also, hey! Brandon wrote a graphic novel with his old friend AJ Dungo. It's available now through Flying Eye Books. AJ'll be back eventually.

You can see a couple of the movies we discussed, but good luck with the third one. They're discussed more or less in the following order:

It's Beginning to Look a lot Like Brain Death (2023) - a feature length failed experiment Brandon and Rob half-assed a couple years ago based on a dumb idea Brandon had. Find out just how much your friends and family love you by throwing this file on the TV while opening presents.

Next up is Psalty's Christmas Calamity, a low quality YouTube upload of a bizarre pre-Veggie Tales, children's Christmas play that a lot of home school kids have very weird feelings about.

And last up is Blue Christmas (1978), an equally bizarre, but very good gritty political thriller/alien invasion/Christmas movie from Japan's esteemed Toho Studio. You can find the DVD on Japanese Amazon, if you can navigate it, but otherwise it's only really available on the furthest flung torrent sites. Godspeed, but it's worth seeking out.

Happy Holidays and I, Rob, will be back next week for a scaled back edition of the annual Xmas Music Exchange.

There's not much else to say except a huge thank you to my cohosts for encouraging this and to everyone that submitted or even considered submitting. We'll do this again, so you have an entire year to consider your submission.

The line up goes like this:

Sara Century - Annabel Lee

Jennifer C. Martin w/ VODE (Arvo Zylo & Leslie Keffer) - The Conqueror Worm

The Gray Romantics - Buried Alive

Laura Squirrel - Alone

Just Josh - The Haunted Palace & Doomed City

T. Volpone - The Sleeper

Dame Smile Highlin' with HB(MB) - The Raven

Ileana - Berenice (in Spanish)

It's a great bunch of readings. We hope you enjoy. And if you want more, check out our feed for the previous two volumes or reach out to Brandon, Jennifer, or me on social media to acquire a copy of the tenth anniversary cassette of the Edgar Allan Poecast Vol. 1. You can also order a copy from my bandcamp, https://grayromantics.bandcamp.com/album/edgar-allan-poecast

Keep an eye out for cassettes or CDs of Vol. 2 and this year's episode.

See y'all next year. Or next month. Whenever we have another episode.

We talk more about noise, rap, touring, and Richmond, VA. I forgot to check out their other releases, so we open with a different track from Professor A's Kill Your Colonizers Volume 1 and close with a different track from Bison Squad's Death of Desire. But you still have time to go to http://woodroomcollective.bandcamp.com and check out some more (and purchase some on Bandcamp Friday).

We don't have another guest lined up, though we've got a few people we're reaching out to. So if you or someone you know wants to talk, send them our way.

OR!!!! Contribute to our NEW Edgar Allan Poecast! Any story/poem, any way you want to do it. We just wanna hear what people do. We also just put in an order for cassettes of the first one from 2015 and we'll be sending that out to its participants and anyone else who wants a copy until we run out. Also seeing about some bootleg t-shirts for participants in the new one. Email me: rob@undressingunderground.com

Oh yeah, and Brandon and I made a short film about seeing Dead & Co in Vegas.

K thx bye

But this isn't about me and Bucko, this is about Professor A. I wanted to talk to him about the intersections of noise and revolutionary politics, but I had COVID and couldn't really follow a train of thought. But Brandon gets a ton of interesting info out of him about noise, touring, and what the hell's going on in Harrisburg.

We open with a track from Bison Squad and close with one off of Professor A's first Kill Your Colonizer tape. All of Professor A's projects can be heard at the Wood Room Collective Bandcamp page.

Also, we are doing a new Edgar Allen Poecast! If you want to contribute, you can reach out to me, Jennifer, or Brandon personally or on social media or email me at rob@undressingunderground.com. We're taking any stories or poems, any way you want to perform them. Everyone had a ton of fun last time and we think it came out really well, with a lot of interesting variety. If you need help finding collaborators, let us know and we'll hook you up. If you want guidance for a story or poem, we'll pick something out for you. This is all for fun, but we hope to hear from you.

Music this time starts off with Treiglo Meddal - Na'i ddim talu!, a limited edition cassette that I was able to find on Joyful Noise's youtube after I realized all of my tape decks are broken. We close with Flower from Deerhoof's live album with avant garde jazz trumpeter Wadada Leo Smith, To Be Surrounded By Beautiful, Curious, Breathing, Laughing Flesh Is Enough. I'm trying to keep Spotify from taking these down with copyright requests, so gotta go slightly obscure.

Do you have someone for us to talk to? Do you want to talk to us? Are you Justin Theroux and want to talk about your weird, butchered by Weinstein, but still enjoyable 2007 romantic comedy Dedication? Or do you want to record yourself reading Edgar Allen Poe stories with weird music for our 2025 Edgar Allen Poecast? Email me at rob@undressingunderground.com or on instagram or bluesky.

In the meantime, for more of Jennifer’s discussions on polyamory, communism, and Christianity, check out ⁠The Dirtbag Christian⁠. For more from me, the feature from my video zine with the POTUS of Noise, Bucko Crooks, is on ⁠his YouTube⁠. And eventually Brandon’s YA graphic novel on the history of skateboarding with AJ Dungo will be out on ⁠Flying Eye Books⁠. 

Deerhoof has been a favorite band of Brandon and me (Rob, the guy Greg keeps making fun of for saying dumb shit) for roughly 20 years. Although Deerhoof was an integral element of us becoming extremely cool dudes into challenging media that’s far too intellectual for most people, I think we all agree with Greg’s assessment of Deerhoof as a pop band. Seeing Deerhoof in concert is nearly as accessible as their greatest stylistic influence, the Rolling Stones.

That said, the show opens with an attempt to recreate the original edit of their first 7”, The Return of the Wood M'Lady. But we close out with one of Ty Segall's daughter's favorite songs, Panda Panda Panda.

Find more on Greg at Deerhoof’s website or follow his political rants on Instagram.

For more of Jennifer’s discussions on polyamory, communism, and Christianity, check out The Dirtbag Christian. For more from me, the feature from my video zine with the POTUS of Noise, Bucko Crooks, is on his YouTube. And eventually Brandon’s YA graphic novel on the history of skateboarding with AJ Dungo will be out on Flying Eye Books. 

Also, we're putting out a cassette for the 10th anniversary of the Edgar Allen Poecast and we're doing a new one this year. For more info on participating in that or other guest suggestions, email me at rob@undressingunderground.com

Part two's up next week. Although we talked for two hours, we still didn't get a chance to ask about other members of Deerhoof, their new album, Greg's other projects, or how to pronounce Saunier.

Today we're presenting the first ever public release of Laura's fan fiction about the obscure 80s cartoon the Get Along Gang, which was on CBS for one season and was based on a line of greeting cards featuring anthropomorphic child animals that hung around a clubhouse built inside of an abandoned train or something.

She explains the context in the intro. I'm tired. I don't feel like rewriting what she said.

Music is by Laura's harsh noise wall project, Ghosts of Dead Tables.

The majority of this episode is dedicated to his thesis art exhibit in Milwaukee, opening tomorrow, Friday 3/28/2025. If you're in the area, go check it out. It genuinely sounds like a great and thoughtful experience. More on that at the Peck School of the Arts website. He's listed as, William Justice “Bucko Crooks” Mueller II.

He also notes that he'll be playing a bunch of footage we shot in Milwaukee and Fargo last summer. More on that and our corresponding zine, The Arbitrary Art, at my gumroad, which is what this long hyperlink you're currently still reading goes to. Or you can check the trailer first here.

We love Bucko, don't we folks? Go check out thesmudge.bandcamp.com for more. Hopefully his retirement is brief and he has hundreds of more albums for us before 2026.

And, of course, thank you, New Zealand.

President Crooks continues to go Bucko wild, necessitating at least one well meaning bleep from me and making Jennifer uncomfortable. He talks a bit about the history of noise, the types of noisers, Milwaukee's wild rap scene, and some other bits (Australians and their oppressively close sun got me calling everything "bits" now).

Pulled a couple of really old Smudge tracks from Bucko's Bandcamp, at least one dating back to the Galactic Intolerance Records days on archive.org. Check out the rest of what remains of his discography over at http://thesmudge.bandcamp.com

Also, check out the zine/documentary-ish thing we made about his Milwaukee Noise Fest and our trip to Fargo, the Arbitrary Art. Be the first to download or buy a copy at my gumroad http://thearbitraryart.gumroad.com or glance at the unlisted video Bucko put up that I generally pretend does not exist. Or if you're in Philly look for an unmarked DVD in a yellow sleeve that I occasionally drop in Little Free Blockbusters.

Bucko comes out roaring, but he softens up a bit as we go along and Tells Us About His Work™ and how much he loves/hates academia and the liberal establishment. I actually forget what's in this episode vs. the second one, so you'll have to see for yourself. I don't even know what the purpose would be of describing it here.

But you can hear more of Bucko's music at his bandcamp. Also, we touch on it very lightly here, but we made a movie together last year. It's part of a larger zine, but you can see the "documentary" on his Milwaukee Noisefest and our trip up to Fargo Noise Fest at my gumroad page. The feature is free/pay what you wish, the whole DVD will cost you a few bucks and will probably take a couple weeks to get to you because I'll be in Australia for the week following me posting this. Also I'm out of copies and need to build more of the whole fry container thing.

If you enjoy listening to Liam pontificate on the frivolities of cinema, well, you're in luck cause he's got like 10 hours/week about this shit over on the Cinepunx Podcast Network, enough to spend at least one of your soulless working days thinking about something other than Elon Musk and whether you should eat your lunch at 10am.

Also be sure to dig back in our archives for our previous talks with his cohosts Josh Alvarez, who I ran into at a movie a couple months ago and mistakenly referred to as diabetic, and Doug Tilley. We'd also welcome them all back if they ask because we're terrible about soliciting guests. If you're still reading and do your own things, feel free to reach out to us about coming on too. We have no idea what's next.

Check out more of Liam at Cinepunx and Cinema Smorgasbord.

Want more about mewithoutyou and lefty christianity? Check out Jennifer's companion blog,mewithoutYou might be the reason I'm still a Christian.

Want something completely different from someone who lives in Philly but spent a few days in Milwaukee and Fargo? I put up my video zine I made with Bucko Crooks/The Smudge on gumroad,the Arbitrary Art. Available as a DVD, a full asinine little fry container thing with some additional ephemera, or a pay what you wish digital download.

One more episode with Liam next week whenever I have time again. I don't remember what we talked about, so it'll be new to both of us.

Liam, temporarily unburdened of his faustian bargain to have friends in his 40s but only be allowed to discuss movies, has a lot to say. Most of this episode is revolves around theology, but it does dip a bit into mewithoutyou and other bands out of Philly that I should know but don't because I've always been completely unmoored from this city I continue to gravitate to.

You can read and hear more from Liam on various podcasts on his and (former guest) Joshua Alvarez's Cinepunx blog and podcast network. You can also of course hear Liam on the various podcasts contained within he and recent guest Doug Tilley's Cinema Smorgasbord podcast feed. They're all fun and none of them are 4 hours long.

Also, we wanted to express again our deep sadness about the loss of Darryl W. Bullock and encourage anyone listening to at least check out our last talk about his books on the queer history of pop music, if not go an episode further back to hear him discuss some of the worst Christmas music ever recorded. We nervously joke a little about the circumstances, but it was a real shock and we still regret the fact we'll never be able to bring him back.

Our sympathies go out to his friends, family, and his husband, who he repeatedly referenced and clearly adored. We would also like to thank the person who reached out to us in the comments of our last episode to inform us of the tragic news.

In this episode we spoke at length about about the history of queerness in popular music, Darryl's books, and some of his other interests. His passion was palpable and we are so grateful to have had this conversation with him.

For more information on Darryl and his work, you can follow the links provided in WFMU's obituary, pasted in full below:

WFMU sadly lost one of its own this past December 23rd. From 2018 until early 2024, Darryl W. Bullock hosted 250 episodes of The World's Worst Records Show on the Sheena's Jungle Room stream. In addition to having a taste for Mrs. Miller records, Darryl was also a music writer who explored the relationship between pop music and LGBT issues in books like David Bowie Made Me Gay: 100 Years of LGBT Music, The Velvet Mafia: The Gay Men Who Ran the Swinging Sixties, and Pop, Pride and Politics: Music Theatre and LGBT Activism, 1970–2021. You can hear Darryl's shows here, and you can leave a remembrance here. Rest in peace, Darryl, and thanks for sharing your music with us.

We'll be back after the holidays with our second part, in which we dive a little deeper into Darryl's record collecting but also his latest career as a historian of LGBT/Queer music history. Brandon didn't tell us about that, so we were just listening to his radio show, but were excited to learn about his books David Bowie Made Me Gay and Queer Blues: The Hidden Figures of Early Blues Music

And now all the other stuff I wrote the first time:

But, Doug Tilley's back! One of the first guests on this feed something like 9-10 years ago, he actually turned on this camera this time and told us all about Canada, Eric Roberts, 80s local news anchors in Detroit, and the other usual Doug Tilley things. This'll probably be three parts because we're not Blank Check and we respect you enough to not put up 3 hour episodes.

Check out Doug's main podcasting project at ⁠⁠Cinema Smorgasbord ⁠⁠with his buddy, Cinepunx cofounder (and former guest here) Liam O'Donnell. A spinoff or evolution or whatever of their original podcast, Eric Roberts is the Fucking Man, Cinema Smorgasbord covers a whole host of other actors and filmmakers that will make you tepidly exclaim, "Oh yeah, that guy(/lady)!" Or, if the last 30 years of Eric Roberts vehicles is too high budget for you, dig deep into the stone ages of podcasting with his 13-year-old(!) podcast ⁠⁠No Budget Nightmares⁠⁠ with his old friend Moe Porne. Can you believe that shit is still active? I suppose I can since these are the only movie podcasts I ever listen to.

Speaking of movies that look like shit, did I mention I made a thing with ⁠⁠The Smudge⁠⁠ (sort of) about midwest noise festivals? Well, you can look at the trailer for that ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ and eventually we'll have a DVD you can purchase.

And now all the other stuff I wrote last time:

But, Doug Tilley's back! One of the first guests on this feed something like 9-10 years ago, he actually turned on this camera this time and told us all about Canada, Eric Roberts, 80s local news anchors in Detroit, and the other usual Doug Tilley things. This'll probably be three parts because we're not Blank Check and we respect you enough to not put up 3 hour episodes.

Check out Doug's main podcasting project at ⁠Cinema Smorgasbord ⁠with his buddy, Cinepunx cofounder (and former guest here) Liam O'Donnell. A spinoff or evolution or whatever of their original podcast, Eric Roberts is the Fucking Man, Cinema Smorgasbord covers a whole host of other actors and filmmakers that will make you tepidly exclaim, "Oh yeah, that guy(/lady)!" Or, if the last 30 years of Eric Roberts vehicles is too high budget for you, dig deep into the stone ages of podcasting with his 13-year-old(!) podcast ⁠No Budget Nightmares⁠ with his old friend Moe Porne. Can you believe that shit is still active? I suppose I can since these are the only movie podcasts I ever listen to.

Speaking of movies that look like shit, did I mention I made a thing with ⁠The Smudge⁠ (sort of) about midwest noise festivals? Well, you can look at the trailer for that ⁠here⁠ and eventually we'll have a DVD you can purchase.

But, Doug Tilley's back! One of the first guests on this feed something like 9-10 years ago, he actually turned on this camera this time and told us all about Canada, Eric Roberts, 80s local news anchors in Detroit, and the other usual Doug Tilley things. This'll probably be three parts because we're not Blank Check and we respect you enough to not put up 3 hour episodes.

Check out Doug's main podcasting project at Cinema Smorgasbord with his buddy, Cinepunx cofounder (and former guest here) Liam O'Donnell. A spinoff or evolution or whatever of their original podcast, Eric Roberts is the Fucking Man, Cinema Smorgasbord covers a whole host of other actors and filmmakers that will make you tepidly exclaim, "Oh yeah, that guy(/lady)!" Or, if the last 30 years of Eric Roberts vehicles is too high budget for you, dig deep into the stone ages of podcasting with his 13-year-old(!) podcast No Budget Nightmares with his old friend Moe Porne. Can you believe that shit is still active? I suppose I can since these are the only movie podcasts I ever listen to.

Speaking of movies that look like shit, did I mention I made a thing with The Smudge (sort of) about midwest noise festivals? Well, you can look at the trailer for that here and eventually we'll have a DVD you can purchase.

Our old friend Sara Century is back to talk about her ⁠⁠massive SCREAM zine, over 60 pages dissecting the themes of all six Scream films⁠⁠. It rocks. Everything Sara does rocks. I'm not really sure what else to say about it except it's worth your $14 for the physical copy with the cool, unique, handmade cover. If you can't afford that + shipping, then at the very least it's worth your $7 for the PDF version.

This is the first third of our talk. We like talking movies, particularly with smart people with smart things to say about them, so we're going even longer than usual. The conversation is wide ranging, as always, but Sara still packs in a ton of fun factoids and analysis on the series to whet your appetite for her zine. ⁠⁠Go buy it⁠⁠.

I also did finally watch When a Stranger Calls Back and it's great. You can read ⁠Sara's piece on it here.⁠

This was it for now. We have a couple of guests slated for the next couple months and we'll of course be back with the whateverth annual-ish Cease & Desistmas.

Also, I put up a trailer for my little movie thing with the Smudge about Milwaukee and Fargo Noisefests. You can see that here. More details soon.

Our old friend Sara Century is back to talk about her ⁠massive SCREAM zine, over 60 pages dissecting the themes of all six Scream films⁠. It rocks. Everything Sara does rocks. I'm not really sure what else to say about it except it's worth your $14 for the physical copy with the cool, unique, handmade cover. If you can't afford that + shipping, then at the very least it's worth your $7 for the PDF version.

This is the first third of our talk. We like talking movies, particularly with smart people with smart things to say about them, so we're going even longer than usual. The conversation is wide ranging, as always, but Sara still packs in a ton of fun factoids and analysis on the series to whet your appetite for her zine. ⁠Go buy it⁠.

I also did finally watch When a Stranger Calls Back and it's great. You can read Sara's piece on it here.

Back next week with the final third.

Our old friend Sara Century is back to talk about her massive SCREAM zine, over 60 pages dissecting the themes of all six Scream films. It rocks. Everything Sara does rocks. I'm not really sure what else to say about it except it's worth your $14 for the physical copy with the cool, unique, handmade cover. If you can't afford that + shipping, then at the very least it's worth your $7 for the PDF version.

This is the first third of our talk. We like talking movies, particularly with smart people with smart things to say about them, so we're going even longer than usual. The conversation is wide ranging, as always, but Sara still packs in a ton of fun factoids and analysis on the series to whet your appetite for her zine. Go buy it.

Back next week with the next third.

Changed up the opening track to feature a track off one of Laura's more recent releases on her bandcmap. Check out more of Laura's work below:

https://highschoolradiosubversionnetwork.bandcamp.com

Opening track has probably been used on the various iterations of this podcast a dozen times, but it's still funny to me. It's the first song of Laura's opening set at Indiana Noisefest 2014 and more or less the opener of the movie.

Check out more of Laura's work on her bandcamp:

https://highschoolradiosubversionnetwork.bandcamp.com

Today we present part two of our talk with musician, radio playwright, zine maker, postcard sender, plunderphonicser, former centrist, and the host of WFMU's Mid-Valley Mutations, Dimestore Radio Theater, and occasional other programs, Austin Rich!

We talked a little about his work at the beginning, but then the majority of this is just us talking about noise and other stuff we all like. I mean, mostly just us listening to him talk about stuff he likes that we occasionally recognize. He's just a fun dude to listen to. Gotta say, I wanna steal the limited decibel show idea he talked about and host those in my apartment.

The opening track is from ⁠Postal Psounds III of Austin's, "Human Dinosaur - Dawn." If you wanna hear more, check out the archive of his regular programs, ⁠Mid-Valley Mutations⁠ and ⁠Dimestore Radio Theater⁠. For more... just go to his ⁠website⁠ or ⁠patreon⁠, it's all linked there. It'd take another 10,000 words just to write out all the projects.

Today we talked to musician, radio playwright, zine maker, postcard sender, plunderphonicser, former centrist, and the host of WFMU's Mid-Valley Mutations, Dimestore Radio Theater, and occasional other programs, Austin Rich! How he even has time to talk to us for a couple hours, I forgot to ask.

We talk about all these things, his influences, more. I'm not even sure what to write about specifically. I'm not even sure why anyone would read this instead of listening.

The opening track is from this Mini Mutation of Austin's, Open Season on the Rich. If you wanna hear more, check out the archive of his regular programs, Mid-Valley Mutations and Dimestore Radio Theater. For more... just go to his website or patreon, it's all linked there. It'd take another 10,000 words just to write out all the projects.

Today we have part two of our talk with Jennifer's friend from her days at Uproxx, Christian. Today we mostly move away from his writing and begin with the conclusion of his story sort of meeting Neil Young, talk about his miniatures and their growing fanbase on instagram, and his incredibly improbable ex, Alex Jone's current wife.

You can read some of Christian's old writing at ⁠Uproxx on their website⁠, or you can check out his main post-pandemic passion, Star Wars miniatures, on his ⁠instagram⁠.

Also, as usual, the intro and outro music is still provided by ⁠Tripp Nasty⁠.

Today we talked to Jennifer's friend from her days at Uproxx, Christian . He's mostly out of the game, favoring work with a local animal shelter over buying in-air wifi to urgently file a story for $30, but he's been left with a number of exhausting and hilarious stories about half-assed press tours, stealing food, editing local news, getting big timed by Jake Busey, and a story about a curmudgeonly Neil Young we're saving for next week.

We also ramble on as usual, this time about horror movie hosts, streaming services, and weirdo hipster eugenicists.

You can read some of Christian's old writing at Uproxx on their website, or you can check out his main post-pandemic passion, Star Wars miniatures, on his instagram.

Also, as usual, the intro and outro music is still provided by Tripp Nasty.

Be sure to check out Jazmin's work on her Instagram, but also please do stop by her fundraiser for Palestine if you're around LA on 4/27/2024. More info below, but you can also check out the official flyer on her instagram.

A Fundraiser for Palestine: An Art Show and Call for Action 🕊️
Location: Matilija Lending Library, El Monte
Time: 6-10pm
Entrance fee: $10 (all funds donated towards Palestinian Aid)
Bring Your Own Stamps + Chairs
Guest speakers from nonprofits, featured Poets and Writers for Palestinian liberation, live music from bands BadSoma & Supercoze, and food/drink vendors! 
This is a CALL FOR ACTION event! This event is an opportunity to use our voices and passion to get more involved with calling an immediate and lasting ceasefire for Gaza. If you would like to write letters to congress/legislators to demand this ceasefire but don’t know how, please attend this event! If you want to make protest signs or political art but don’t have the materials, attend! The more people the better. 
**Art made dedicated to Palestine by 15 artists will be on display during the event and will be raffled off with all funds donated towards Gaza Sunbirds, eSIMS, and Red Crescent.**
Gaza is still under siege, we need your support now!!! 
🇵🇸

We focus almost entirely on the fundraiser in this episode. Next week we'll have more about Jazmin's background as an artist and the usual bullshit about reality shows, Jennifer's weird life, etc.

For more info on the fundraiser, check out this flyer on Jazmin's's Instagram. For more info on Jazzzyyy, just click back to the rest of her Insta.

If you have trouble with Instagram, here's the info for the flyer. Be sure to reach out if you have any food or anything else you can offer for the event.

Today is Land back day, a significant day when Palestinians hold protests, vigils, and show resistance towards the Israeli force for the years they have occupied Palestinian land and taken innocent lives since 1976 which has tragically still continued till today. 
If you want to show more support or get more involved to call an immediate ceasefire, please read the following caption:
Mark your calendars for April 27th!!
A Fundraiser for Palestine: An Art Show and Call for Action 🕊️
Location: Matilija Lending Library, El Monte
Time: 6-10pm
Entrance fee: $10 (all funds donated towards Palestinian Aid)
Bring Your Own Stamps + Chairs
Guest speakers from nonprofits, featured Poets and Writers for Palestinian liberation, live music from bands BadSoma & Supercoze, and food/drink vendors! 
This is a CALL FOR ACTION event! This event is an opportunity to use our voices and passion to get more involved with calling an immediate and lasting ceasefire for Gaza. If you would like to write letters to congress/legislators to demand this ceasefire but don’t know how, please attend this event! If you want to make protest signs or political art but don’t have the materials, attend! The more people the better. 
**Art made dedicated to Palestine by 15 artists will be on display during the event and will be raffled off with all funds donated towards Gaza Sunbirds, eSIMS, and Red Crescent.**
Gaza is still under siege, we need your support now!!! 
🇵🇸
Featured artists:
@seain.red
@josiemarlyn
@moflowers00
@esqp.art
@per.kapita
@joseislame
@_de_la_tierraa_
@elcuentodellos
@shallow_and_uninteresting
@slothh.queen
@dezdelatorre
@agedungs
@franklin.east
@knivoryjames
If you have any questions regarding the event, please message @jazzzyfizzles or @artofnothingpress

For more on the latter, check out the Google Doc he references in the episode.

For more on his poetry and Anthony in general, check out his Instagram.

For more on us, subscribe or listen to old episodes. I'm walking out the door and don't feel like looking up links.

Now he's a poet, sober, and thriving (if you ask me, not him). He regularly performs around New York, teaches several courses on poetry and film, published all over, has another book coming out in 2025, and he's getting divorced again.

We talk more about his poetry in the second half, but this time we do touch on it but mostly discuss Amy Winehouse, his connection to Big Star, addiction, and the loss of friends and loved ones. Beneath all the neck tattoos he's a big softie.

You can mostly learn more about Anthony via his Instagram, where he regularly posts his poetry and includes links to the causes he's involved with.

Nothing anti-AI this time. Sorry.

Same opening and closing tracks as last time since I've got a lot going on and didn't have time. But still be sure to check out Leslie's Bandcamp page, No Part Of It's Bandcamp, and, I dunno, google around about her. She's been around a while and done a ton of interesting stuff. One of which is this Gutter: Girls of Noise doc I still need to watch.

ALSO! Are you doing cool shit like Leslie? Do you know Leslie or Arvo or one of our other guests? We want to talk to you! There's always more room in our platonic polycule, but we also have lives and jobs and stuff and can't spend as much time as we'd like looking for new guests. If you're interested, find us on social media or shoot me an email at rob@undressingunderground.com

Oh, and don't forget to subscribe to Jennifer's mailing list, the Dirtbag Christian.

Based on the meeting transcript, the conversation seems to be casual and meandering, covering various topics such as podcasting, music scenes, secret societies, and polyamory. The participants discuss their experiences and share anecdotes about living in Nashville, attending shows, and encountering different subcultures. There is also mention of Freemasons, Mormonism, and the TV show "Big Love." Overall, the meeting appears to be a friendly and informal discussion without any specific agenda or action items.

We'll be in a week or two with part two of our discussion. In the meantime, you can hear more from the split EP tape of Leslie playing (respectively) with Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore on YouTube and here more of her solo work either on her bandcamp or the No Part Of It label's bandcamp. You can also find Leslie on Twitter.

Also, if you're interested in more projects of people fucking around with radios, there's the short film Brandon and I shot in Joshua Tree last year, Extinction Weekend. And Jennifer can always be found on her Substack, the Dirtbag Christian.

If you're curious what the Disco Biscuits sound like, you can check out this random live video I found on YouTube. It's 50 minutes long and features 3 songs.

If you've been following us, I apologize for the break in episodes. 2023 saw a lot of turbulence, between Brandon getting a job and working on his book, Jennifer getting laid off and buying a house, and then everything going on in mine. The big thing was still the lingering effects of a sudden and unexpected breakup from someone I was in the early stage of buying a house with, but also a deluge of other comically absurd mental, physical, and especially financial crises. But we're working on getting back to talking to more strange podcasters, noise musicians, and general weirdos in 2024.

If you enjoy hearing from Kelly and find yourself curious about non-right wing debate culture, please do check out her podcast Indubitably over at Podbean or wherever you get your podcasts.

Also, subscribe to Jennifer's newsletter, The Dirtbag Christian, at her Substack. She has a paid option now, which gets you additional content, an exclusive Discord chat (that I will join eventually), and other exclusive content. It's worth it. She's worth it. Just do it.

Want to come on the podcast? Or know another good guest? Shoot me an email at rob@undressingunderground.com or reach out to any of us in whatever way you know how. We're ethical platonic sluts and are interested in talking about anything with just about anyone.

This week we had Kelly from the podcast Indubitably talk to us about debating and how she does it without crying. And who wins if someone does cry. Honestly, I think we were all sort of surprised how interesting we found debate. It's become an easy topic to dismiss due to the rise of the disingenuous right wing debate culture, but Kelly makes a formidable case for its usefulness and its just being a fun thing to do (for anyone but me).

Jennifer was a guest on Indubitably last year, so please do check out her discussing polyamory, dating apps, and cancel culture with Josh and Kelly here. You can also find more episodes and where else you can here them at their PodBean page.

And if you're still reading, please also check out Jennifer's blog, The Dirtbag Christian. She just added a paid tier and is going to be posting regular updates going forward.

And hey, I just heard from Tripp Nasty recently, our former guest and composer of the songs I stole for most of our episodes. If you're reading this on 8/4, that means it's Bandcamp Friday, so why not go peruse his offerings and throw him a few bucks too? https://trippnasty.bandcamp.com/

k, bye now

Olney recently released their fifth issue, which you can pick up on their website as a $5 PDF or the print version for $17.99. It's worth picking up just for our very own Jennifer C Martin's cover story on her alma mater, "Lee University and the on campus treatment of its LGTBQ+ student." You can learn more about Olney and submit your own work through their website, though they're also on Twitter and Instagram. They're also on Facebook, but you're not really still on Facebook, are you?

Next week Jennifer forces us to talk about Brandon Noel's work in a steel mill, the origins of Olney Magazine in the backroom of a cigar bar, and how he's been able to carve out a more fulfilling career in the media thanks to his work in Olney and his former blue collar job. He also explains the origin of the name Olney, which evidently has nothing to do with the Olney area of North Philadelphia.

Olney recently released their fifth issue, which you can pick up on their website as a $5 PDF or the print version for $17.99. It's worth picking up just for our very own Jennifer C Martin's cover story on her alma mater, "Lee University and the on campus treatment of its LGTBQ+ student." You can learn more about Olney and submit your own work through their website, though they're also on Twitter and Instagram. They're also on Facebook, but you're not really still on Facebook, are you?

If you skipped the last episode, here's a recap of the description, lightly edited because Tripp Nasty had to cancel his tour.

Good hello again and sorry again for the delay. Life is hard, but it goes on, whether I want it to or not. 

Today on the show we talk to a mutual friend of former guests Ileana and Ernesto Bautista, Melissa Guevara. Her and Ernesto's work have a lot of overlaps (death, experimental video, large conceptual pieces, focus on El Salvadoran history and issues like immigration), but also we tried to focus a little more on her own unique perspectives and approaches. We discuss all of the above, but we also touch on her religious upbringing, her current feelings about religion, and her pottery work.

Also of note, Melissa's answers in this episode are translated by our mutual friend and former guest, Ileana. I've done my best to edit this in an engaging manner for English speakers, leaving Melissa's answers largely in place but diverting focus to Ileana's translations layered above them, but we will also have a bilingual version in the coming weeks that will feature all of our questions in English and Melissa's answers in Spanish. If there's any questions or concerns about my editing, please let me know by emailing me at rob@undressingunderground.com.

If this works out, we'd also love to hear from other non-English speaking artists and people. If you know anyone and would like to help us out with this, please feel free to contact me at the email above and let's see what we can do. We had a lovely time talking to Melissa and are incredibly grateful to Ileana for her services. We would love to learn more about what's going on outside of the anglosphere.

If you want to learn more about Melissa or take a look at some of the work described in the episode, you can check out her website and her VIMEO, which are primarily in Spanish.

Music today is a couple of old tracks by our buddy Tripp Nasty.

Today on the show we talk to a mutual friend of former guests Ileana and Ernesto Bautista, Melissa Guevara. Her and Ernesto's work have a lot of overlaps (death, experimental video, large conceptual pieces, focus on El Salvadoran history and issues like immigration), but also we tried to focus a little more on her own unique perspectives and approaches. We discuss all of the above, but we also touch on her religious upbringing, her current feelings about religion, and her pottery work.

Also of note, Melissa's answers in this episode are translated by our mutual friend and former guest, Ileana. I've done my best to edit this in an engaging manner for English speakers, leaving Melissa's answers largely in place but diverting focus to Ileana's translations layered above them, but we will also have a bilingual version in the coming weeks that will feature all of our questions in English and Melissa's answers in Spanish. If there's any questions or concerns about my editing, please let me know by emailing me at rob@undressingunderground.com.

If this works out, we'd also love to hear from other non-English speaking artists and people. If you know anyone and would like to help us out with this, please feel free to contact me at the email above and let's see what we can do. We had a lovely time talking to Melissa and are incredibly grateful to Ileana for her services. We would love to learn more about what's going on outside of the anglosphere.

If you want to learn more about Melissa or take a look at some of the work described in the episode, you can check out her website and her VIMEO, which are primarily in Spanish.

Music today is a couple of old tracks by our buddy Tripp Nasty. He's touring soon, so sniff around his social media for more info on that.

The episode starts off where the last left off, with Jennifer and Christian's thoughts on the future of leftism in Christianity, but then we just start talking about pizza and cheese steaks and buying cigarettes in Indiana. We had fun. I hope you have fun. Was your day ok? My life is falling apart, which is why these take so long to come out. But I had fun thinking up more secular songs about Jesus to throw on the beginning and end.

Ok thanks, ttyl. If you or anyone you know would make a good guest, reach out to me (@thedeathsiren) or Jennifer (@notreallyjcm) and let us know.

Next week we'll toss up the last half hour of our conversation in which we mostly talk about food. Apparently there's a type of Chicago-style pizza other than deep dish. I've never had either of them, but they all swear by all of them.

Opening track came up when I searched for Neutral Milk Hotel's "I love you Jesus Christ" song in Google. It barely has any listens and it's only a minute long, but it made me laugh. Good SEO skills, deadcowboy. Happy to double your 29 listens with this episode.

The opening and closing tracks can be found on Ernesto's metal album, Karma Theatre, on his bandcamp. Though it's also available on Spotify, Apple Music, and whatever other streaming service afterthoughts billionaires have out there.

Also be sure to check out Ernesto's linktree to take a deeper dive into his various endeavors.

While you're clicking around, why not check out Jennifer C. Martin's latest on her substack, The Dirtbag Christian?

As I mention in the intro and we discuss a little later on in the episode, Ernesto was introduced to us by a mutual friend and our former guest, Ileana. You can hear more about her in our previous episode, Au Pair Nightmares w/ ileana.

But enough about Ileana. Today's guest is Ernesto. I'm not even entirely sure what to say except that we spend most of the episode silent as he offered thoughtful descriptions of his work, poetry, the history of his country. His work spans countless mediums and has been featured in museums around the world, including the main exhibit of the Reina Sofía Museum in Madrid, Spain. He's made several experimental films, had his words plastered on the sides of trucks and the pavement of busy intersections, and created shocking works utilizing human blood and skeletal remains. All of this meant to investigate, inspire, and deconstruct our understanding of life, memory, perception, violence, death, and I guess some other things I'm not smart enough wrap my mind around.

As mentioned in the introduction, this episode will be broken into two parts. In this first episode we touch on his approach to art and poetry, his use of human remains, and his feelings about what it means to be alive. In part two we dig a little deeper into the El Salvadoran Civil War, his work with its survivors, and a brief introduction the flourishing heavy metal scene in El Salvador.

In the meantime, please check out Ernesto's website to experience more of his work firsthand. He can be found at https://www.ernestobautista.com. Though, just as his work explores life, death, and memory, so does his web presence as half of the links about him I click on are dead. You can also watch a brief, subtitled introduction to Ernesto and his work on FLORA ars+natura's YouTube, see excerpts of his own film work (about half of which is subtitled) on his VIMEO, and check out his Bandcamp to hear more of his metal band Karma Theatre, featured in this episode. Karma Theatre can also be found on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Music.

Second, I included some music cues to add context to a few points AJ and Brandon make (like when we talked to Laura and Tripp).

Third, we talked to AJ. He's Brandon's friend going back to middle school when AJ'd tap on Brandon's window to ask him to skateboard. They've supported each other through their cultural journey through skateboarding, punk, and noise music and are now exhibiting the fruits of that journey with their upcoming graphic novel history on the history of skateboarding.

We don't get much into his illustrating, but you can check out AJ's work on his website: https://www.ajdungo.com

You can also hear more from his former band, Bear Flag Republic, on their bandcamp, which features a free download of their sole album. The episode opens and closes with them. There's also a little clip in the middle to exhibit just how p r e t t y they are. These tracks were used with permission from the band.

I think we'll be back with another episode before my annual Christmas music podcast with my buddies Jill and Josh. J&J Christmas, as they're generally referred to.

Bye bye

Brandon and Rob probe about why practical effects are better and seek out horror recommendations (she's got a couple good ones, one of which from Japan in 2005 that we'd never heard of) while her and Jennifer reminisce about disturbing shit from their childhood. 

Check out Julia and her husband's work on their website, Rabbit Trail Studio, and their instagram. And check out the lettuce suit she built for the Appetite's music video for Static Friends. We couldn't find the short film she referenced. You guys gotta give your stuff more original names.

Also, don't forget to sign up for Jennifer's newsletter, the Dirtbag Christian, if you haven't already. She does still update it occasionally.

If you do want to hear Sara talk about comic books, check out her podcast Bitches on Comic.

Also be sure to check out the website for her publishing company, Queer Spec, for more info on her various projects. Or her personal website, saracentury.com, which has a mailing list I'm sure she'll send the first blast out for any day now.

Or just search "Sara Century" on your favorite podcast app and I'm sure you'll find months worth of audio discussing whatever you could possibly want her talk about.

If you're unfamiliar with Mickey Reece, just know that he is probably 30-something years old, but his IMDB features 37 film and only 9 of them are available publicly. Because of this, his predilection for casual experimentation, and his remote origins in bumfuck, Oklahoma, the press has lavished him with all sorts of cute nicknames like, "Flyover Fassbinder." A title I wish I had acquired while making films in Indiana, but I refuse professional or amateur envy.

We talked to Mickey Reece's Mickey Reece about what drives his story and production choices, his "real" job, and how beautiful life would be if he could sell out.

You can watch Climate of the Hunter on Shudder, Agnes on Hulu, and a handful of his older films (as in, more than 2 years old) on Alamo OnDemand. The last link includes the destined to be cult classic, Mickey Reece's Alien, a film about Elvis, Priscilla, and Elvis's illegitimate extra(?) terrestrial baby. Keep an eye on your local film festivals for Mickey Reece's latest, Country Gold, which depicts the time Garth Brooks met George Jones shortly before the latter was cryogenically frozen. If you prefer to multitask, you can also watch his one minute Instagram Reels for George's Liquor in Oklahoma City @stopbygeorgesokc

And as long as you're clicking around, why not see what Jennifer C. Martin's up to? Brandon and I don't have links. Except for this one. 

This is a non-episode in which I fucked up scheduling our guest and he didn't show, so we talked about Tim Tebow and movies with weird thoughts on trans people. I also posted the zoom link on twitter out of curiosity and we got zoom bombed by some people who's only hobby is apparently saying the 'n' word. We were already having a problematic conversation guys, we don't care. 

We'll have on Mickey Mouse, the star of Fantasia and Steamboat Willie next week. Thanks to everyone that listened to our episode with Ileana. 

But, here we are. As previously discussed here and in our 2015 documentary about her Indiana Noise Fest, I met Laura in 2015 because of said noise festival. She came out to me as a trans woman a couple years ago, but it was my understanding although she's transitioned she wasn't really into talking about it. Now with everything going on, she is.

Shit's bleak right now, particularly for trans people and especially trans kids. Laura talks about coming out and transitioning in her late 20s and the struggles she had between realizing what was going on as a child and being up against an unforgiving culture and confused family. She recounts it all with empathy and humor.

Recording was wonky this time, but I have plans to deal with it in the future as I'm hopefully more healthy and capable of sitting for long periods of time. Sorry if the references go over your head.

As always, you can check out Laura's work on Bandcamp.

http://highschoolradiosubversionnetwork.bandcamp.com

http://ghostsofdeadtables.bandcamp.com

Because Tripp's connections in the underground run deep and Brandon and I already name drop so many bands that range in obscurity, I've included short clips interspersed and laid under as bed music throughout the episode for some additional context for people like Jennifer.

The episode opens with Tripp Nasty's "Western Pride" and closes with "On a Snowy Afternoon," both off his recent album Making the Pythons Dance. Other clips in order of appearance include Shonen Knife, the Disco Biscuits, Echo Beds, William Basinski, Sun City Girls, Crash Worship, James Chance & the Contortions, Yonatan Gat and the Eastern Medicine Singers, Harry Pussy, Tripp Nasty's "Snowy Afternoon," the Forbidden Planet soundtrack, Delia Derbyshire, various modular synth clips from Tripp Nasty Sounds on Instagram, Ezra Buchla, and more from Tripp Nasty Sounds. I'm not gonna post song titles since I'm not trying to get us unlisted. 

You can find Tripp Nasty on his website, his bandcamp, and twitter.

Jennifer C. Martin also has a new fiction piece up influenced by her new relationship. Give that a read at Olney Magazine.

For this episode Jennifer wanted Josh to pick out a movie for us to watch and discuss, but Josh didn't want to so I lied and said he picked Chungking Express because I knew she'd love it. And she did. Anyway, we tried to do the whole movie podcast thing like Cinepunx does but none of us are motivated or structured enough to actually plan something like that so we just fizzled out and talked about different forms of polyamory again. You can see the wild chart Jennifer references here: https://i.redd.it/jzlw4prhumv81.jpg

Then we talked to Josh Alvarez for an hour about his various projects including his main band, Crossed Keys, which features at least one legendary (according to Brandon) hardcore musician, his podcast CinePunx, all of which he'd apparently prefer quit in favor of doing heroin.

Episode opens with Crossed Keys' "Times of Grace" and ends with "Jeff Pelly vs. The Empire"

Check out more from Crossed Keys here: https://crossedkeys.bandcamp.com/

See and here more from CinePunx here: https://cinepunx.com

I don't know if you can still find his "Morrissey is a Racist" t-shirt anywhere.

Fun talk. Cool band. Great t-shirt.

Features music by Laura's noise acts, Ghosts of Dead Tables and Kathy's Special Brownies as well as some clips of Anal Trump and Get Thalz's Harsh Noise Synth Generator, "TRAUMA."

https://highschoolradiosubversionnetwork.bandcamp.com

https://ghostsofdeadtables.bandcamp.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaQ-qa2f0hQ&t=58s

https://analtrump.bandcamp.com

Want to be a guest? We'll talk to whoever. Just message Jennifer on OnlyFans.

https://linktr.ee/jennifercmartin

We also discuss the ethics of talking during previews, places Jennifer and Brandon have had sex, annoying poly identities, stuff our exes are sending each other money for on Venmo because they haven't removed us as friends, and we watch planes land in LA for a little bit. 

In keeping with the spirit of this episode, here's what Wikipedia says about Lucier.

Alvin Augustus Lucier Jr. (May 14, 1931 – December 1, 2021) was an American composer of experimental musicand sound installations that explore acoustic phenomena and auditory perception. A long-time music professor at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut, Lucier was a member of the influential Sonic Arts Union, which included Robert Ashley, David Behrman, and Gordon Mumma. Much of his work is influenced by science and explores the physical properties of sound itself: resonance of spaces, phase interference between closely tuned pitches, and the transmission of sound through physical media.

Don't forget to check out Jennifer's linktree: https://linktr.ee/jennifercmartin

Also Brandon and I have a spooky and absurd radio play we put out digitally and on bootleg cassette: https://grayromantics.bandcamp.com/album/havana-syndrome

If you like anything you hear, you can probably find 500 albums like it and 1500 others nothing like it at http://thesmudge.bandcamp.com

While you're clicking around, also check out Jennifer's new linktree: https://linktr.ee/jennifercmartin

Jennifer loves to talk shit about herself and how she's not as cool as Brandon and me, but doesn't she generally and consistently live the most interesting life of the three of us?

This episode Jennifer is Rob, Brandon is Jennifer, and Rob is Brandon. Next week, more inanity. I meant to do a Peter & the Wolf intro, because all podcasts are obligated to do that at least once, but I didn't. Sorry. 

verything about Joey was ideal in what one might want in a secondary partner. He, too, was a dad with a spouse and a full-time job. He enjoyed hipster cuisine as much as I did, making delicious food with vegetables from his garden, and finding hole-in-the-wall restaurants all over town that served up the sort of meals you’d be proud to smugly post about on Instagram. In the bedroom he was fun and experimental, but not overly so, for my tastes. On dates, he treated me like a normal human being -- we were both polyamorous people with family, not fetishized experiments waiting to be easily pursued and captured by excitable single people or ravenous swingers.

Joey was warm, with big blue eyes, jet-black hair, and soft, pale skin. He was tall, and lanky: completely non-threatening, kind and gentle from his personality turning outward onto his appearance. His wife, Sara, was quiet but polite, with auburn hair and dark freckles across a tan face. Their six-month-old baby girl was a perfect blend of both, with freckles and tufts of black hair.

The tinges of jealousy soon began to creep in, however.

The assumption that people who are polyamorous have conquered envy is rather incorrect, but even so, this was not a romantic jealousy that I was experiencing. I was envious of their house, their massive wine cellar, their house full of archaeological wonders and authentic mementos from a world they had extensively traveled. I was envious of their upper-middle-class home, jobs, their horseback riding and golfing hobbies, and sporadic trips to international resorts. I was envious of their log cabin two hours away in the mountains -- and when they decided to move out there permanently, I was happy to use it as an opportunity to end the relationship. It’d only been casual anyway, right?

A year later, Sara was dead: a rare, fast-spreading breast cancer. I felt crushed for her baby and for Joey, and my envy turned into the sort of guilt that has no place to go except the inside of your stomach in sharp twists and nauseated regret. My husband, Samuel, and I attended the funeral in a sad room of marble-velvet-embroidery furniture, which was crowded with respectable, mournful people who all seemed equally shocked to be there.

Joey moved away from the mourners giving out their sorry-for-your-losses, walking toward me with a curious stride. We embraced awkwardly, but deeply, and I also told him I was sorry for his loss, because what else is there to say?

“Hey,” he said. “Thanks for coming,” he leaned in closer. A line of people waited behind me at their chance for the performative apology, knowing there’s not a single word they can actually say to take away the fact that the person in front of them had just lost the mother of his sweet baby girl, who would likely be unable to remember her at all. “I hope we can talk later…” he said, trailing off, distracted by the crowds of meaningless well-wishers.

I leaned in to hug him and told him: “Contact me any time. If there’s anything, anything, I could do… Please let me know.” I meant it.

READ THE REST https://www.olneymagazine.com/features/dead-black-lingerie

Stay tuned for more of the same in two weeks.

READ Jennifer's new story, DEAD BLACK LINGERIE over at Olney Magazine in the link below.

https://www.olneymagazine.com/features/dead-black-lingerie

If there's no links here, it's because I didn't come back to add them after making dinner. Look at the old episodes for links. It's Bandcamp Friday this week, so buy Brandon and my stuff.

READ Jennifer: http://dirtbagchristian.substack.com

LISTEN to Brandon: http://dresserdrawers.bandcamp.com

WATCH Rob: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIBaTpyTldc

READ Jennifer: https://dirtbagchristian.substack.com

LISTEN to Brandon: https://dresserdrawer.bandcamp.com/releases

WALK with Rob: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ZYfl0N7xwsY3ZT9v0XITp

READ and EAT Jennifer C Martin on Olney: https://www.olneymagazine.com/features/jennifer-c-martin-feature

HEAR Brandon on his Bandcamp: https://dresserdrawer.bandcamp.com/releases

It’s our 50th episode after-Thanksgiving bonanza and who better to celebrate it with than with long time commenter Granddad The Starving ( though some may know him as Granddad Freeman)

You might still be stuffed from last night, but go grab another heaping plate of Thanksgiving leftovers and get down with Grandad. Why Jezebel over Gawker? Why The Salad Bowlover Jezebel? Who is he voting for? What are his favorite video games? Who is his favorite commenter?

All these questions and so much more are answered in this week’s Gawker Commenter Interview. 50th episode y’all!

Let’s get cozy.

Today on the show is performance artist, stand up tragedy performer, poet, painter, and… There isn’t really a word for a lot of what Bryan Lewis Saunders does.

You may have heard of Bryan Lewis Saunders a few years back when the internet suddenly became aware of his mission to create at least one self portrait a day for the rest of his life. Or, more specifically, a strange overblown period in which he created 50-60 self-portraits under the influence of different drugs (for context, he clams to have completed over 10,000 portraits now).

So, we don’t talk about that much. If you want to read a little more about that and where Saunders currently lives, I’d suggest the piece Jon Ronson wrote on him for the Guardian a few years back. Just ignore the sensationalist, misleading headline.

We talk more about his collaborations with noise musicians, his sleep speak recordings, his work performing psychological tests on himself, and his recent exhibits in which he was tortured on stage. In fact, I don’t speak a whole lot at all–I mostly ask a question and then just laugh for 10 minutes as he goes off on intensely surreal tangents.

And finally, I need to thank and acknowledge the contributions of frequent guest, Arvo Zylo. At the end of his interview he had offered to send me a list of other guest suggestions, the first of which ended up being Bryan Lewis Saunders.

Because of Saunders’s frequent collaborations with noise musicians, often recording a spoken word piece and then sending it to musician to do what they will with, and because I’ve been listening to a lot of Over The Edge and experimental Australian radio, I decided to take another stab at soundtracking and doing small edits to the interview.

The majority of the music is from a previously unused three hour piece of Arvo’s titled, BLOODBATH. Arvo had originally been commissioned to compose it for a gallery, but the gallery went bust before opening and the track was doomed to an obscured spot on little seen archive.org playlist alongside 3-10 minute long pieces.

The other piece is an excerpt from the Pleasure Tunnel collaboration between Arvo and Bryan. You can hear more about that in the bonus episode we posted yesterday. You can also find where to buy one of the few remaining cassette copies here.

November 17: Seven longtime Gawker writers are suddenly let go, so that Gawker can retool as a Politics Site (as per Denton’s mouth piece former Gawker editor Ravi Somaiya via the New York Times). Gawker’s new focus will emphasize the 2016 election, though plans for thereafter have not been addressed. As of now, the consensus seems to be a bit of shock and some reluctance. Do we need another political blog? (Many say no)

So what best way to discuss the biannual Gawker train-wreck than with Gawker commenters? This week please welcome our roundtable guests first timer Gramercy Police  and UUPod veteran Arctic16. We discuss the internal Gawker drama and what those consequences might bring to Gawker’s comment section.

For your reading pleasure, some of the articles we discussed.

- Dayna Evans On Gawkers Problem with Media - a possible contributing factor to this current Gawker shitstorm. This story was supposed to come out July, but that was around the time Jordan’s article/ Max Read’s departure so my guess is that that  is why they squashed her story. Gawker loves to be truth to power but when the roles are reversed, they can’t handle the truth.

-Nick Denton’s memo Focus

- An Introduction to Gawker Media

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In case you haven’t figured it out by the avatar posted above this, today’s episode is about Second Life! I get a tour of various artsy things in Second Life from SL resident and Windlight writer/podcaster, Saoirse Heart!

This is a scene I’m fascinated by, mostly because I thought Second Life had been dead for at least 5 years.

But it’s not! Not only that, but Second Life artists are still getting grants and people are still paying for the work they produce inside the game (sorry, I’m going to keep calling it a game).

Places we check out include a sandbox, the Chelsea Hotel, an interactive version of Macbeth, and a pub (seriously).

Quick profile on Blerg for those who don’t know him: He is a 23yo Aboriginal gay man (Palawa and Wiradjuri nations) living in New South Wales in Australia, as a journalism student and chef on a farm. We chat about racism in Australia, racism against Aboriginal people, how to pluck a chicken, his boyfriend (they met on Grindr!), and since Blerg is more of a Jezebel commenter (and The Salad Bowl poster!) we obviously have to chat about an assortment of topics related to Jezebel.

Why not stop by some of Blerg’s Tuesday Teapot posts and say hello?

Arvo’s back again! This time to talk to travis of Ono!

Actually, this is a fairly old interview from Arvo’s now defunct radio program, the Delirious Insomniac Radio Show on WLUW. We had talked a few times about me “rebroadcasting” one of his interviews and ultimately settled on this one, mostly because it’s fucking amazing.

First off, Ono is an incredible band. If you like the track featured in the podcast, go buy their latest album Spooks NOW! It’s only $8 for the digital or double cassette versionsand $20 for the double LP. And it features Obnox, Hilal Omar Al Jamal, and, as I mention in the show, Al Jourgensen of Ministry.

Second, travis is an incredible artist (see the older Ono cover below).

Third, travis has lived an amazingly interesting life. He’s modest about it, but each turn in this interview is more fantastic than the last. This guy has lived a life worth telling, which is good because he’s also a creative genius.

KittensAndUnicorns was busy again this week, so I called Blerg on Skype and we watched the Season 3 premier of Hemlock Grove together. There’s not a lot else to say.

Today’s episode is us with the sound of the episode because it was last minute and I was lazy. This was a one off thing. Normal episodes resume Tuesday (though there’s probably some other weird stuff coming soon).

Arvo Zylo’s back again! Yay!

We talk noise, experimental music (ie, noise), and a little about film and stuff (visual noise). Arvo talks about how he got into experimental music (noise), how he finds different obscure (noise) musicians, and what appeals to him about being experimental (noisy).

Arvo will be next week to present an interview he performed on Delirious Insomniac (his old radio show in Chicago) with travis of Ono. You seriously need to come back for that one. That guy has lived a fucking life and a half. I feel privileged to give it a third life (it was also printed in a magazine).

Also on the show is a brief talk with Laura of Ghosts of Dead Tables about her upcoming Seismic Slaughter show in Indy! Go see it! Brutal metal and grind noise! November 14!

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It's here! The Edgar Allan Poecast! What is there even to say other than, holy shit, we have talented fucking friends. I won't even bother saying anymore. What more could I tell you? Just that this episode features Sara Century, T. Volpone with Blood Loaf, The Smudge, Jennifer C Martin and Daniel Martin, Arvo Zylo, Brandon Dumais, Motherwhore, and a little music cue by Kathy's Special Brownies. And everyone (except the last one) are doing their interpretations of the work of Edgar Allan Poe. Fuck yes. Oh, and I confuse Faulkner and Vonnegut, again. Brandon was right. Come back on Friday to hear KittensAndUnicorn's chat with DoTheDew! And don't forget to subscribe! http://undressingunderground.com

Pre-order his book on Amazon here. He gets 30 cents if you do. I get like 2 cents if you click that link to do it.

So, enjoy.

It’s a double whammy! This week I talk to The Gaysian, a Jezebel commenter AND a poster at The Salad Bowl.

What were his life experiences, being both gay but also half Asian (specifically Korean-woo hoo!) and half Latino? How much would religion play a part in his relationships? Get down with some intersectionality in this call!

Check out some of The Gaysian’s beauty posts over at The Salad Bowl too.

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Holy shit it’s underground queer multimedia superstar Sara Century! A woman with many a prefixes. So many that I won’t bother listing them here. Just check out her (newly revamped) website. Or follow her on Twitter.

Or listen to this interview! The sound gets more consistent after the first 5 minutes or so.

My laugh annoys me. Even though I’m pretty sure I stole it from someone. I’ve never had an original laugh.

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Ahoy mateys! It’s our favorite mad scientist and beloved 2nd Amendment man.

and casually says stuff like Rationalism will take you to the edge of reason real quick. ( wha…? I’m not worthy! )

Its no surprise I completely admire Toothpetard, not just for his intellect but for his humanity and empathy for mankind. We get to hear him talk about his son, his experiences with guns,his motorcycle accident and the potential of an afterlife.

Tooth is absolutely someone I’d love to smoke weed with and just ask a billion questions because I believe he has so many good answers.

I don't play music with people--I don't really have the dexterity and my wrists lock up if I play too long. But I dick around in Garageband with field recordings and loops of the instruments I own. They took some of those recordings and added their own creative outbursts over them. I think it turned out pretty neat.

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Simulcast! Buzzwords! This isn’t the YouTube show!

Today on the podcast is the other podcast, Zac & Me, where this is, too. Yup.

My allergies were really bad while we were doing this.

Arctic16!

I can’t take Arctic16′s avatar seriously. It’s a gif of a guy from Its Always Sunny smashing popcorn into his face like an over-enthused lunatic.

I enjoyed this call with Arctic. I think because he is Latino, and I grew up in Los Angeles with a Asian/Latino racial dynamic, I felt a kinship with him, in that children-of-immigrant shared experience sort of way.

I play a song in the call ! It’s in relation to a comment/question, and if you like hip-hop, you will love this song. (I hope!)

Today on the show is video gamer programer and chiptune wizard, Brad Smith! Apparently his chiptune adaptation of Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon was kind of a big deal like, 4 years ago. I was too busy watching years old British comedies and walking aimlessly around Philadelphia in the middle of the night to notice, I guess.

Anyway, we talk chiptunes, programming, video game programming, nostalgia, music theory, and other stuff I don’t understand.

Also, does my voice sound more nasally today? I think it sounds more nasally.

A number of his chiptune adaptations and compositions are featured in today’s episode, but you can find those and more on his HTML 1.0 website and bandcamp.

This week we have southern jokester and soon-to-be-dad CatdogWhisperer!

I always have fun on the calls, but I think I was at ease with CDW because of his gentle, soothing southern accent. I really appreciate that he was so open and willing to answer questions about drinking, alcoholism, spanking kids, sensitivity online and even guns and gun control. We covered a lot and it was fun!

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Holy shit! Today is packed solid with greatness. First is some music and conversation with psychedelic funk insanity maker, SassyBlack! We talk Star Trek, being rude to aliens, and what exactly goes into her sound.

ALSO, HER EPS ARE $5 RIGHT NOW!!! GO BUY THEM!!! NOW!!!

Also, get her in the next Star Trek movie. Like, now.

Then Ms. DangerTits helps me out by reading a random poem from the Craigslist Missed Connections and my emails with the person that wrote it.

And then I talk to Arvo Zylo. Ok, so, we talk about the Tonetta situation some. But, more importantly he pushes his new original cassette coming out and gives an update on his upcoming El Train performance in Chicago in November.

Please welcome my very first Jezebel commenter, Yoga Nerd!

For whatever reason, there is a bit of a high school rivalry between Gawker and Jez, and Yoga Nerd is here to chat about some of the misconceptions and stereotypes of Jezebel.

Love or not love her, Yoga Nerd is definitely well-known and/or ubiquitous ( her words, not mine) She is also the subject of GOMI (Get Off My Internet)  threads on the internet…What’s it like to be well-liked but also so talked about? What’s it like to be the center of a pile-on?

Today on the show is (misguided) scallop hater and classical musician, Lisasaur! She didn’t tell me her real name, so, we’re going to have to call her Lisasaur! I called her Lisasaurus on the podcast, but what’s done is done. It’s in the past. Let’s move on.

Lisa has played cello in numerous community orchestras but has never felt compelled to go pro. So, I accidentally belittle her for that and then accidentally belittle her further by asking why she only plays dead people’s music and doesn’t do her own.

After that we have a new installment of T. Time in which T better articulates the questions I had and then answers them! Plus, blues music! Yay!

And then a lovely David Hameron joke by Jill Hackney!

Would you have ever guessed that Burl Ives Left Nut attended a seminary? Get to know the man behind the sexual escapades. There is a bonus Burly sex story at the end, involving shoes, blowjobs, and straight-ish men. Possibly a left nut too. Nuts for nuts as they say in NYC. Or do they.

If you’ve listened to the first few minutes already, you know my head’s all messed up. But it’s a good talk. He’s one of those super normal weirdos.

But check out his blog, twitter, and store! He’s a real person doing real things.

Please welcome our very own Miz Jenkins. We talk about race, gender, Gawker, Jezebel, white people… (you know, the common Gawker themes we just can’t get enough of!)

Check out Miz Jenkin’s article “African-American History X: MizJenkins, Jezebel and the Banning of Black Thought” in Persephone Magazine.

Today on the show I talk to Mike Verta! Don’t bother googling him, just click the link. Or just go check out his Online Masterclasses!

Mike Verta is mostly known in film composer circles due to his work… scoring films. But he’s also known (and sometimes hated) in Star Wars circles for his fan preservation project, Star Wars Legacy. Verta’s put a lot of hours and money into this project, but he never plans to personally release it (thus the hate). Find out why and whatever else we talk about in the episode! You’ve already downloaded it anyway, right?

Also, I misused the word ostensibly.

How would I describe Nefertitties, one of the funniest commenters on Gawker, in 3 words? Cheeky, whimsical, cutting. (That was hard!) Please excuse the weird sound in the beginning–it sounds like she is in a far away galaxy but like most some things, it gets better.

Today on the show is Usotsuki! Anime fan-subber, bible fan-translator, random obscure cartoon film fan-preservationist, etc.

Interesting dude.

You can check out his fan-subbing here and his bible translation here.

Also, stick around until the end for a new edition of T. Time! We talk about… whatever. Same sorta shit. Blues, being assholes, tarot, used paint, etc. His new videos are all up on his Zen Voodism site. Also, I genuinely asked if Willie Dixon was white. I’m not sure why I asked that, but I’ll own it.

Hello to Red Writer, a mod of the popular sub blog, The Salad Bowl. What’s her backstory?  What’s her views on a New Black?  Find out on this week’s episode and thanks again to RW for being on the show!  Please check out The Salad Bowl but don’t forget to be kind and rewind ( that means you should leave the attitude at the door, thank you!).

Today on the show is Hassan!!! HASSAN!!!! Hassan of Hassan’s cool mom fame. I should have included his outgoing voicemail message. Maybe next week.

We talk about the Disco Biscuits, following bands on tour, people we’ve known that have died, and racism. It’s a really uplifting conversation.

Stick around until the end to hear a semi(?)-autobiographical(?) spoken word piece by the Smudge! It’s long, but I dug it. Hope you do, too.

This week I (Kandu) talk to Gawker icon and everyone's favorite, Medieval Knieval! His humor is fucked up and thus he is beloved all the more. (If you can't tell, I'm a huge fangirl myself) Has he ever regretted any comments or jokes? Who are his favorites? Is it you? Also, are you a Gawker commenter (well-known, longtime, or old school, you know what I mean!) and want to be featured? Email me at Kandu@undressingunderground.com or leave a voicemail at 260-PUNK-POD. I love talking about you with you. Come back on Tuesday to hear Rob's call with Bisco kid, Deadhead, and his friend of 20 years, Hassan. Or, you can listen to other stuff on the podcast too. Why not? And don't forget to subscribe! If you have a chance, could you rate us too on iTunes? Thanks. http://undressingunderground.com

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Today on the show is Osa Atoe, the brilliant mind behind Shotgun Seamstress! This was a pretty big interview for me and I was really excited to have her on, so of course I fucked it up. She did great though, and I actually did ok. It’s fine, don’t worry.

We talk about her zines, the fascinating people she discusses and talks to in said zines, her music, and we both sort of try to define what ‘punk’ is and whether it can exist in an academic setting.

Stick around until the end to hear about Arvo Zylo’s new project and how you can get involved!

Today on the show it's my turn to talk to Jennifer C. Martin! Ostensibly we were to talk about her experience with mommy boards but then the conversation turned back to her religion and writing. We also touched on the Twitter controversy (of four people) from last week's episode. Also, the minor familial controversy. Is it weird that I'm mentioning that? Cause that happened. I think it's more weird that anyone listens to this. Check out the blog for more talks with Gawker commenters, Gawker's least popular ex-EIC AJ Daulerio, a webcam dominatrix, conspiracy theorists, fan editors, noise musicians, singer/songwriters, podcasters, and other assorted weirdos. You can also send in your guest suggestions (including yourself) and short stories and poems there or to rob@undressingunderground.com or kandu@undressingunderground.com or leave us a voicemail at 260-PUNK-POD. And don't forget to subscribe! And leave us a review on iTunes? Please? http://undressingunderground.com

"This week I talk to Jennifer C. Martin, (Not JCM) about her time as a Christian liberal commenter and writer on Gawker, and her thoughts on spirituality. What makes a good Christian?" - Kittens & Unicorns Check out the blog for more talks with Gawker commenters, a webcam dominatrix, conspiracy theorists, fan editors, noise musicians, singer/songwriters, podcasters, and other assorted weirdos. You can also send in your guest suggestions (including yourself) and short stories and poems there or to rob@undressingunderground.com or kandu@undressingunderground.com or leave us a voicemail at 260-PUNK-POD. And don't forget to subscribe! http://undressingunderground.com

AJ has since gotten sober and started an incredible newsletter in which he brings his trademark candor to discuss his struggles with sobriety, bipolar disorder, and just life in general. He also interviews sober friends, publishes stories from fans of the newsletter, and hosts a weekly meet up on Zoom. I don't know how or who will be stumbling upon this now or in the future, but it's definitely worth checking out whatever your background.

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“I got to interview the former editor in chief of Gawker and Deadspin, A.J. Daulerio in a no holds barred conversation about the current Gawker controversy (Jordan’s article), Nick Denton, and some yummy insider-y stuff you might enjoy (I certainly did!). Thanks again to A.J. for giving such a honest in-depth interview.” - Kittens & Unicorns

On today’s episode we have fancy Star Wars fan editors TV’s Frink and Q2 (neither of which did the edit in the banner)! They discuss why they edit, how they edit, the unwritten (and written) rules of fan editing, types of fan editing, where to find fan edits, and whatever else could possibly be said about fan editing. They also talk a little about their home bases,fanedit.org and originaltrilogy.com

Stick around to the end for a new conversation with the person behind a short story (or whatever) on Craigslist’s Missed Connections forum.

Later this week we have a SURPRISE SPECIAL GUEST for the Gawker episode. That’ll probably be up… Thursday?

OMGawker, a bonus episode! Kinja user Kittens & Unicorns chats with fellow Kinja users Graby Sauce and Jerry Netherlands about the shit storm going down at their internet home, Gawker Media. If you like what you hear, consider subscribing! Also, how about a review on iTunes? Or a guest suggestion? Yeah? Check out the (boring, stripped down) website, undressingunderground.com for interviews with conspiracy theorists, a webcam dominatrix, a board game designer, noise musicians, the spokesperson for a religion based on the Big Lebowski, a guy with a podcast about Eric Roberts, some other musicians and writers, and even other Gawker commenters!

First up, sorry about my voice and any other shoddy work this week! I’ve been sick and my vocal chords. My chat with Rev. Gary sounds fine, though.

That said, today on the show is Rev. Gary! Right now he’s basically the spokesperson of the church, so… we talk about that. We learn about his background, how he got into Dudeism, and whether or not the Big Lebowski is one of his favorite movies(???).

Also! Stick around until the end for a new installment of T. Time! We talk for 20 minutes about… something… I mean, I’m sure we talk about SOMETHING.

Done listening and ready to join the movement? Why not go LEGALLY ordain yourself in the Church of the Latter-Day Dude? IT’S FREE!

Also, feel free to go on Amazon and pick up some of their books.

And when you’re done with all that, check out T’s new self-help website!

It’s time to get weird, naked mole people! Today on the show is the Gnostic Warriorhimself, Moe Bedard! He talks about his podcast, his website, the Freemasons, Alex Jones, ancient Egypt, shadow governments, and the sacred blood lines that tie all these things together.

I seriously love this guy’s podcast and had a blast talking to him.

Stick around to the end for a new spoken word piece by Tom Baker and a brand new segment that you’ll understand once it happens to you.

Today on the show is the Philly punk rock puppet master, Kevin Kelly! He talks Welcome to Anhedonia, Stormy & Baker, and other things you probably should have watched already. He also reveals a super special guest voice this season! I can’t say who. Or, ok, it’s a puppeteer from a beloved, cult TV show in the 90s. Listen to find out who! Then tell us how to say his name!

Also, because Kevin and I talked way, way too long, I threw in a few samples of his brother’s band’s songs to break things up where editing was impossible for my feeble brain. They’re called Snoozer.

Sorry if there’s any weird sloppy editing. I haven’t been sleeping much.

We talk about her music, Hanson, hot janitors, and then she talks to her brother about David Bowie, pregnancy, and international conflicts.

You can find Jeanette on TWITTER, FACEBOOK, TUMBLR, YOUTUBE, BANDCAMP, LINKEDIN, her FUCKING WEBSITE, and probably anywhere else on the internet you frequent.

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This week on the show I talk to podcaster, writer, and one time filmmaker, Doug Tilley. We talk about no budget films and… uhh… Basically just no budget films and Eric Roberts. We talk a lot about Eric Roberts. Also, Doug’s new podcast, Eric Roberts is the Fucking Man!

Stick around until the end for a new voicemail… of sorts.

You can follow Doug on Twitter, on Twitter, and on Twitter. You can also check out his podcasts Eric Roberts is the Fucking Man and No Budget Nightmares at their respective websites linked way back there at their names. They are both enjoyable.

Today on the show is board game designer, former vending machine worker, and PhD candidate Charlie Ecenbarger. We talk about academics, what the deal is with all the vending machines in your local bar, board game design, the board game community, and what constitutes a "board game” within the board game community. Stick around until the end for a new installment of T. Time and a couple of short story/poem things. Submit your own guest ideas, short stories, poems, and etc to the blog, via email at undressingunderground AT gmail, or by leaving a voicemail at 260-PUNK-POD. And don't forget to subscribe!

This week I talk to Goddess and dominatrix camgirl Vivienne Adams. We talk about how she got into the business, what she gets out of it, and, of course, her weirdo clients. Stick around to the end for a surprise guest interview! Also, a short story from last week's guest, Tom Baker. Also, don't forget to subscribe! And send your guest suggestions, short stories, poems, and whatever else to our email or voicemail, (260)-PUNK POD!

Today on the podcast I talk to fringe dweller Tom Baker about Christianity, noise music, the paranormal, serial killers, and a whole bunch of other weird shit. Hat tip to Laura Squirrel for introducing us. Stick around to the end for a new installment of T. Time. Also, submit your guest ideas as well as your short stories or poems to the blog or email, or leave us a voicemail about whatever at 260-PUNKPOD.