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	<subtitle type="text">indeterminate things</subtitle>

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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by Michael Fagan</title>
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			<name>Michael Fagan</name>
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		<updated>2009-02-17T19:29:15Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T19:29:15Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3772"><![CDATA[<p>well, you could make several different ranked lists</p>

<ul>
<li>rel values sorted by total usage</li>
<li>rel values sorted by number of web pages they appear on</li>
<li>rel values sorted by number of websites (domains?) they appear on</li>
</ul>

<p>as well as lists of what rel values appear most together (on the same page and/or within individual rel=&#8221;"s)</p>

<p>this could also be used to detect common errors (capitalization, spelling, wrong separators) which could be used in the w3c&#8217;s html validator or html tidy</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by DeWitt Clinton</title>
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			<name>DeWitt Clinton</name>
			<uri>http://www.unto.net/</uri>
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=734#comment-3771</id>
		<updated>2009-02-17T14:05:47Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T14:05:47Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3771"><![CDATA[<p>Philip &#8211; that&#8217;s a great point about a handful of pages with tons of rel values biasing the results.  I definitely saw patterns like &#8220;track:track&#8230;&#8221; that show up further down the list; that&#8217;s one of the reasons I only published the top 25 tags and cherry picked from there.  </p>

<p>In this case I really was curious about total usage, as I was wondering specifically about values like &#8216;me&#8217; and &#8216;muse&#8217;, which legitimately appear more than once.</p>

<p>That said, I might re-run the test counting only once per page, just to compare. </p>

<p>Also, I didn&#8217;t normalize to lowercase, but in retrospect I should have.</p>

<p>Thanks for the link, Philip.</p>

<p>Cheers,</p>

<p>-DeWitt</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by Philip Taylor</title>
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			<name>Philip Taylor</name>
			
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		<updated>2009-02-17T10:18:58Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T10:18:58Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3770"><![CDATA[<p>For comparison, I have <a href="http://philip.html5.org/data/link-rel-rev.txt" rel="nofollow">some rel/rev data from a year ago</a> based on 130K pages from <a href="http://www.dmoz.org/" rel="nofollow">dmoz.org</a>. I counted number of pages rather than total number of occurrences, because that reduces the noise in the data caused by a few pages with huge numbers of repeated values. E.g. <a href="http://l0t3k.org/security/docs/honeypotting/en/" rel="nofollow">this page</a> has a load of rel=&#8221;chapter&#8221;, and it&#8217;s used 12 times per page on average in my data, which explains part of the difference in ranking compared to your data.</p>

<p>(Also I didn&#8217;t split on tokens or convert to lowercase, since I wanted to see the original values.)</p>

<p>My data also shows a lot of similar rel patterns like rel=&#8221;track:track_pagetag=&#8230;&#8221; and rel=&#8221;balloon29&#8243; and rel=&#8221;lightbox[pkguitars]&#8220;, presumably all coming from a handful of pages that are abusing the semantics of rel. It&#8217;d be interesting to know how many of your 1.8M unique values are instances of this kind of pattern coming from a small number of pages, and how many are real legitimate-looking values.</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by DeWitt Clinton</title>
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			<name>DeWitt Clinton</name>
			<uri>http://www.unto.net/</uri>
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=734#comment-3769</id>
		<updated>2009-02-17T06:28:40Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T06:28:40Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3769"><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8212; Spinn3r crawls content exclusively from feeds, right, or do you have a web crawler going as well?  I feel like I&#8217;ve seen hits from your spider in my web logs but I could be mistaken.</p>

<p>Either way, it will be interesting to see what values are popular on feed-oriented sites as opposed to the general web.  I suspect that certain values will appear just as frequently, such as &#8216;nofollow&#8217;.  But others, like the &#8216;openid&#8217; values, won&#8217;t be used much at all.</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by Kevin Burton</title>
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			<name>Kevin Burton</name>
			<uri>http://spinn3r.com</uri>
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=734#comment-3768</id>
		<updated>2009-02-17T06:07:30Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T06:07:30Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3768"><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230;.. Thanks for posting this.</p>

<p>Yeah. I was thinking about rel=&#8221;canonical&#8221; as well.</p>

<p>I suspect this will shoot right near the top.. </p>

<p>We&#8217;re going to be posting automated stats on our crawler in our next release&#8230;. which should be any day now :)</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by possible248</title>
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			<name>possible248</name>
			<uri>http://codingexperiments.com/</uri>
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=734#comment-3767</id>
		<updated>2009-02-17T03:50:11Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T03:50:11Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3767"><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, sorry for the double post, but it appears that my usage of &lt;a&gt; and &lt;link&gt; messed up the comment. I wasn&#8217;t expecting the HTML to go unescaped.</p>

<p>For clarification, that sentence should read:</p>

<p>I never really thought about the usage of the &#8220;rel&#8221; attributes to &lt;a&gt; and &lt;link&gt; and until now. I never understood the point of XFN, and am pretty sure that I’ve only ever used &#8220;rel=&#8217;nofollow&#8217;&#8221; in my history of web design and web app programming.</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by possible248</title>
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			<name>possible248</name>
			<uri>http://codingexperiments.com/</uri>
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=734#comment-3766</id>
		<updated>2009-02-17T03:48:12Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T03:48:12Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3766"><![CDATA[<p>Excellent blog post, man.</p>

<p>I never really thought about the usage of the &#8220;rel&#8221; attributes to <a> and  until now. I never understood the point of XFN, and am pretty sure that I&#8217;ve only ever used &#8220;rel=&#8217;nofollow&#8217;&#8221; in my history of web design and web app programming.</a></p>

<p>I&#8217;ve known that there were a few people that put more thought of what goes into the &#8220;rel&#8221; attribute, but your quantification of the usage, and how the attribute is exactly being used, really puts it into perspective.</p>

<p>I&#8217;d love to see a followup post that explained more about how you got these results. :)</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on A Survey of Rel Values on the Web by AnthonyF</title>
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			<name>AnthonyF</name>
			<uri>http://myphillynetwork.com/</uri>
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=734#comment-3765</id>
		<updated>2009-02-17T03:44:09Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-17T03:44:09Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/web/a-survey-of-rel-values-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-3765"><![CDATA[<p>Wow tech has changed! It wasn&#8217;t so long ago only an army of devs for an online search company could pull this kind of info! I think I just found myself a true tech blog<em>subscribing now</em>&#8230;</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on Unbelievable Mental Lapse by Matt</title>
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			<name>Matt</name>
			
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=718#comment-3758</id>
		<updated>2009-02-13T12:02:22Z</updated>
		<published>2009-02-13T12:02:22Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/security/unbelievable-mental-lapse/comment-page-1/#comment-3758"><![CDATA[<p>I too get a fair bit of misdirected mail.  The best has to be some very graphic images I received of the sender&#8217;s brand new, fresh off the operating table, boob job.  She was quite embarrassed when I mailed back to compliment her on the doctor&#8217;s work :)</p>]]></content>
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		<title>Comment on Unbelievable Mental Lapse by Blaine Cook</title>
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			<name>Blaine Cook</name>
			<uri>http://romeda.org/</uri>
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		<id>http://blog.unto.net/?p=718#comment-3732</id>
		<updated>2009-01-27T13:46:17Z</updated>
		<published>2009-01-27T13:46:17Z</published>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://blog.unto.net/security/unbelievable-mental-lapse/comment-page-1/#comment-3732"><![CDATA[<p>Just goes to show, phishing is a social problem. Technical solutions to social problems are often, erm, unsuccessful. Clearly what&#8217;s needed is more public education.</p>

<p>Re: Claire, &#8220;Fishing&#8221; is an excellent angle into the problem &#8211; why don&#8217;t we call phishing what it is for everyone else &#8211; attempted fraud? When someone has been phished, they have been defrauded of their personal information. When that information is used, it&#8217;s theft. Plain and simple.</p>

<p>So, how do we go about addressing the social issues and educating people? Phishing blacklists seem like a good start, since they&#8217;re fundamentally education, but what else can we do?</p>]]></content>
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