They were serious about it. Paul’s people believe that they understand the delegate process, and that the media does not. There is truth here: The delegate process is confusing, and I assume that Paul supporters have used their four years of organizing and studying in a fruitful manner. In an e-mail to supporters, they try to get granular about what’s occurring.
Join the forum discussion on this postI have been documenting all of the proposed changes to Washington state law regarding marijuana over the past 18 months.
We have saw a lot of promises, and a lot of tales of amazing progress to be made.
In the end Washington cannabis consumers always get let down.
With SB 5073 there were several promises and several groups painted pictures of how the legal landscape will be brighter and happier after these things passed.
- In SB 5073 we were promised that patients will have “rights” rather than an affirmative defense
- In SB 5073 we were promised legal dispensaries
- In SB 5073 we were promised a new legitimized cannabis friendly state
In the end
- We got the provision that most providers used “one patient at any given time” removed from current law
(reference Section 404 of SB 5073) This hurts providers who are helping patients - We got absolutely no new provisions for dispensaries, and dispensaries still remain illegal under state law
- Patient and doctor relationships became more complicated as there are now restrictions and penalties for doctors for recommending cannabis, where as doctors were completely excluded from legal penalties;
ref: The effects of Section 301 from my point of view (SB 5073) - After all of the propaganda and promotion of these bad laws by NORML and the ACLU, patients are in more danger than ever before
These are some videos that I made on SB 5073:
WA NORML Kevin Oliver, Alison Holcomb and Russ Belville from NORML on SB 5073
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOrA-cMMp_Q
What doctors and patients say about SB 5073 in Washington in regards to Medical Cannabis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPLh682DNlw
x Cannabis updates (Washington) 3/31/11 SB5073 and I-1149 updates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGGljgF6T1Q
Washington SB 5073, HB 1550 Senate and legislature comments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Smafyf6OdY
- NAW aka the ACLU is proposing dispensaries again, and new DUID laws.
Stoners Against Legalization OR Voters Against NEW Prohibitions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb4RWUGJH5s
Does NAW really have a chance?
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I502 Presentation Seattle Channel – Washington Legalization Initiative – or is it?
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]]> Join the forum discussion on this postI have had a lot of conversations with NORML and the ACLU in Washington about Initiative 502, and the negative provisions in the initiative. I detail my opposition to the initiative, and I call out one of the agitators on the pro-I502 side and point out how she is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I sent this gal a free shirt in 2010, and I have stood up for her in Facebook arguments, but she now says that I have always been mean to her.
I pointed out where she is wrong. She has censored me about I502, and we had a disagreement, but every other conversation we got a long just fine.
In the end of this, I thank NORML for what they do, by sending a monthly donation to NORML of $4.20
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]]> Join the forum discussion on this postThis video is in response to a discussion that I had with Russ Belville of NORML on the NORML LIVE show today (2/24/2012). This show was broadcast at 5pm PST, and I was able to have about 20 minutes live with Russ.
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We talked about the draw backs of I-502, and Russ explained to me why he thought compromising with I-502 is a good thing, despite the UN-scientific and unproductive (in fact regressive) DUID law that it implements.
Russ told me that NORML and the ACLU shouldn’t be expected to support initiatives tat Sensible Washington proposed, based on how young these groups are, and how he believes their proposals are UN-realistic.
I started to tell Russ how Dr. Ron Paul has stayed consistent for all of these years in congress, and during his last two presidential campaigns his support has literally more than quadrupled amongst republicans despite that he supports topics that typical neo-cons do not support.
When I started talking about Ron Paul, Russ got angry and then hung up on me.
But I think that the debate was civil and on topic, and I think that my comparison to Ron Paul was extremely helpful in looking at things.
I also liked NORML a lot more when they supported Ron Paul, and when they interviewed Ron Paul. Now NORML is practically ignoring Ron Paul.
So in this video I played an interview with Ron Paul and Chris Goldstein back on May 24th 2007.
Here are some links:
From the NORML Stash
http://stash.norml.org/norml-endorses-washingtons-i-502-legalization-initiative/comment-page-2#comment-85985
Ron Paul in the 80′s on legalization:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEYkYH8_6zM
Ron Paul on NORML May 24th 2007
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8t7jqis2Mc
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZJSHYPkWbo
My broadcast from August 2011 about the I-502 (NAW) initiative and some of the interesting controversy’s regarding this initiative
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hb4RWUGJH5s
http://xcannabis.com/2011/07/does-naw-really-have-a-chance/
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]]> Join the forum discussion on this post“Policymakers weighing the pros and cons of legalization should consider… that (these) laws may lead to fewer suicides among young adult males”
Bonn, Germany: The enactment of statewide laws allowing for the limited use of cannabis therapeutically is associated with reduced instances of suicide, according to a discussion paper published in January by the Institute for the Study of Labor in Bonn, Germany.
Researchers at Montana State University, the University of Colorado, and San Diego State University assessed rates of suicide in the years before and after the passage of statewide medical marijuana laws.
Authors found, “The total suicide rate falls smoothly during the pre-legalization period in both MML (medical marijuana law) and non-MML states. However, beginning in year zero, the trends diverge: the suicide rate in MML states continues to fall, while the suicide rate in states that never legalized medical marijuana begins to climb gradually.”
They reported that this downward trend in suicides in states post-legalization was especially pronounced in males. “Our results suggest that the passage of a medical marijuana law is associated with an almost 5 percent reduction in the total suicide rate, an 11 percent reduction in the suicide rate of 20- through 29-year-old males, and a 9 percent reduction in the suicide rate of 30- through 39-year-old males,” they determined.
Authors theorized that the limited legalization of cannabis may “lead to an improvement in the psychological well-being of young adult males, an improvement that is reflected in fewer suicides.” They further speculated, “The strong association between alcohol consumption and suicide-related outcomes found by previous researchers raises the possibility that medical marijuana laws reduce the risk of suicide by decreasing alcohol consumption.”
They concluded: “Policymakers weighing the pros and cons of legalization should consider the possibility that medical marijuana laws may lead to fewer suicides among young adult males.”
Full text of the discussion paper, “High on Life: Medical Marijuana Laws and Suicide,” is available online at: http://ftp.iza.org/dp6280.pdf.
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]]> Join the forum discussion on this postDiscussion with Russ Belville about the I-502 “legalization” initiative in Washington
This discussion has taken place on both facebook and the NORML stash blog.
http://www.facebook.com/utah.pirate/posts/323446824368871?notif_t=share_comment
http://xcannabis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/New_Approach_Washington_Marijuana_Initiative.pdf
A few comments that stuck out to me are these:
I said to Russ this:
February 21, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Permalink
Legalization? Really? I think that definition and the loose use of words like “legalization” should be re-examined here.
I would call I-502, “decriminalization” on one hand with the one ounce thing. And “more prohibition” on the DUID lingo. But not legalization.
And about the 1 ounce possession issue. It must be bought from a state regulated dispensary for it to be “legal”, and as we saw with SB 5073, the state won’t allow for state regulated dispensaries.
So we are back to square one. There will not be legal ounces if there are no legal dispensaries. The only new thing Washington will get is this crappy DUID law.
Russ replied:
February 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
Wrong. The one ounce possession of buds or sixteen ounce possession of hash and hash oil or seventy-two ounce possession of tincture exists as a protection on its own. See in the post earlier:
The only limitation is the amounts: one ounce useable marijuana, 16 oz. marijuana-infused product in solid form, 72 oz. of marijuana-infused product in liquid form, or any combination thereof [Sec 20 Para (3)].”
(3) The possession, by a person twenty-one years of age or older, of useable marijuana or marijuana-infused products in amounts that do not exceed those set forth in section 15(3) of this act is not a violation of this section, this chapter, or any other provision of Washington state law.
In other words, it does not say “The possession, by a person twenty-one years of age or older, of useable marijuana or marijuana-infused products purchased only from state-authorized outlets in amounts that do not exceed…” as you are falsely asserting.
Also wrong on “decriminalization”. Decriminalization is what we call it when a state no longer has criminal sanction against a pot smoker. Oregon is “decrim” – you get a ticket, a fine, loss of D/L, but no criminal punishment.
“Legalization” is when there is no punishment whatsoever for a pot smoker. That’s what I-502 does. When it passes, I can possess an ounce and get no fine, no ticket, no loss of D/L, no nothing.
Furthermore, when something is “decrim” it is still against the law, and therefore, detecting it is a probable cause to investigate law breaking. When something is “legal”, it isn’t a crime, and detecting it is no probable cause to investigate.
What you’re conflating is “legalization” with “legalization of possession and cultivation for personal use”. In a previous post, I explained how legalizing possession is “legalization” and legalizing cultivation in addition to that is “legalization-er”. I-502 legalizes personal possession and it legalizes commercial cultivation. I would prefer that it legalized personal cultivation, but its sponsors found polling showing that voters weren’t going to support home grows.
What I do know is that convincing voters somewhere down the line that personal cultivation should be legal will be much easier for an organized group of legal personal marijuana users to accomplish than another request from a disorganized group of criminals and patients. (And don’t dare try to say that the gubmint will resist that because they want to protect their pot tax cash cow… because then you will have painted all the dispensary and clinic owners opposing I-502 with the same brush.)
I replied with:
February 22, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Permalink
Russ this conversation is a little hard to keep up with as it is not threaded. I like the “Disqus” module for wordpress, it makes it easier to login, easier to comment, and it keeps the comments threaded so that replies are organized according to the original post. Just a thought.
Anyway, I think that the complicated law proposed in I-502. Which is the longest initiative I have read in a long time, its very ambiguous as to what can be interpreted from it.
I know I am no legal expert. But the police that try to interpret complicated laws are sometimes less adept than a layman like myself.
I told you about when I got arrested and put in jail for “using the streets without a permit” right?
Anyway, you say that the marijuana bought and used under this law does not need to come from a licensed distributor. I think that is debatable.
First let me ask you a few questions.
1. If not bought from a licensed distributor, how does one legally obtain the marijuana?
My answer is: through illegal means
2. If governor Gregoire refused to allow legal medical dispensaries, do you think consumer/recreational dispensaries will have any more legitimacy than the medical dispensaries that were vetoed?And my last point is this ambiguous section that you referred to:
“Sec. 20. RCW 69.50.4013 and 2003 c 53 s 334 are each amended to read as follows:
(1) It is unlawful for any person to possess a controlled substance unless the substance was obtained directly from, or pursuant to, a valid prescription or order of a practitioner while acting in the course of his or her professional practice, or except as otherwise authorized by this chapter.
(2) Except as provided in RCW 69.50.4014, any person who violates this section is guilty of a class C felony punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.
(3) The possession, by a person twenty-one years of age or older, of useable marijuana or marijuana-infused products in amounts that do not exceed those set forth in section 15(3) of
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this act is not a violation of this section, this chapter, or any other provision of Washington state law.”
—Hmm. If it is unlawful for any person to possess a controlled substance unless the substance was obtained directly from, or pursuant to, a valid prescription or order of a practitioner while acting in the course of his or her professional practice, or except as otherwise authorized by this chapter.. Where does that leave room for a person to possess a controlled substance purchased or obtained by illegal means?
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]]> Join the forum discussion on this postWe hear over and over how President Obama is the Martin Luther King Jr. of our time. How Obama is the civil rights leader that will make our world a better, freer place.
I have a few points to make against this idea.
- “Pre-Crime” and prolonged detention proposals
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/omkara/2011/nov/30/obama-calls-unconstitutional-indefinite-detention-/ - Obama reverses his promises and commitments to honor states rights regarding medical marijuana
http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/07/remember-when-obama-said-he-wo
Thanks Patriot Act – Obama Implements ‘Precrime’ ‘Prolonged Detention’ Rachel Maddow Reports
NDAA 1031 Citizen Imprisonment Law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO23HoRv6Ms&feature=related
Obama on Medical Marijuana – History
Not a friend of freedom. Not an oath keeper to the constitution.
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I denounce the gossipers that have no proof of racism, just a bunch of hearsay and illegitimate accusations.
Ron Paul and Benjamin Netanyahu on foreign policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ljxQn5nm8A
Ron Paul’s history on Israel
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-israel-support-wead/2011/12/07/id/420247
Ron Paul on racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3EADdr-5AY
NAACP Nelson Linder speaks on Ron Paul and racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhv3paNz6U
This is my video on Racial Diversity featuring Bob Marley and Marcus Garvey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlyNWZ9MEtc
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For example: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/02/08/ron_paul_secretly_won_the_caucuses.html
We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:
- In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.
- In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.
- In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.
- We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.
We also see that according to national polls, Ron Paul is in 2nd place to Romney, and gaining momentum.
While Romney loses a point, Ron Paul gains 5 points as of 2/7/2012.
http://www.dailypaul.com/212007/in-2nd-place-in-national-poll
What will Ron Paul supports do if Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination?
WE WILL WRITE HIM IN!
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How to Write in a Candidate for Presidential Elections.
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