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		<title>Comment on Why Can’t We Just Call Ourselves “Christians”? by uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Reddit by jk3us: Names are interesting.  Groups give themselves names, or have names given to them, to be distinguished from others.  The term "Christian" arose in the [Church at Antioch](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Reddit by jk3us: Names are interesting.  Groups give themselves names, or have names given to them, to be distinguished from others.  The term &#8220;Christian&#8221; arose in the [Church at Antioch](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Can’t We Just Call Ourselves “Christians”? by cchrisr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The symbols, rituals, artifacts and traditions of Christianity are NOT NEEDED to be a Christian.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now that you've mentioned this discussion, I do remember it (long ago). However, in my study of religion, I have found that that a religion is defined by its beliefs and practices, without any comment on whether any of these are necessary. Even something like Hinduism or Buddhism, which highly variable (and many would argue it lacks any kind of centre or orthodoxy), can still be seen as a single religion in spite of its multiple actually practiced fragments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The symbols, rituals, artifacts and traditions of Christianity are NOT NEEDED to be a Christian.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now that you&#8217;ve mentioned this discussion, I do remember it (long ago). However, in my study of religion, I have found that that a religion is defined by its beliefs and practices, without any comment on whether any of these are necessary. Even something like Hinduism or Buddhism, which highly variable (and many would argue it lacks any kind of centre or orthodoxy), can still be seen as a single religion in spite of its multiple actually practiced fragments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Christianity Stand Against Norse Paganism? by ShepardKaty32</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Why Can’t We Just Call Ourselves “Christians”? by B</title>
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		<author>B</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's crap.  It's the "well, they're not a REAL Christian because they are for/against X issue".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s crap.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;well, they&#8217;re not a REAL Christian because they are for/against X issue&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Can’t We Just Call Ourselves “Christians”? by Jew</title>
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		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think Atanamis touched on a lot of key points. The term Christian has either too much meaning or too little meaning for some people. But often, I think people just want a little individuality on their Facebook profile. I doubt that the people who list themselves as "Jesus is my Savior" would object to being called a Christian. They just want their Facebook profile to be uniquely their own.

I checked my profile, and I'm listed as Christian. But my tagline under my profile image is "Zero point Calvinist", so I have my individuality. I just put it in a different place.

I don't know about your Facebook friends, but I have plenty who put verse references as their religion. I think that's the funniest. Little codes for true believers to see and recognize. That's the mark of a real Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Atanamis touched on a lot of key points. The term Christian has either too much meaning or too little meaning for some people. But often, I think people just want a little individuality on their Facebook profile. I doubt that the people who list themselves as &#8220;Jesus is my Savior&#8221; would object to being called a Christian. They just want their Facebook profile to be uniquely their own.</p>
<p>I checked my profile, and I&#8217;m listed as Christian. But my tagline under my profile image is &#8220;Zero point Calvinist&#8221;, so I have my individuality. I just put it in a different place.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about your Facebook friends, but I have plenty who put verse references as their religion. I think that&#8217;s the funniest. Little codes for true believers to see and recognize. That&#8217;s the mark of a real Christian.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Can’t We Just Call Ourselves “Christians”? by Atanamis</title>
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		<author>Atanamis</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>People who dislike the term "Christian" do so because they feel the term has accumulated a great deal of baggage. The Roman Catholic Church pretty completely owned the term in the West for a very long time, and in some areas things like the Crusades and the Inquisition are viewed as very "Christian" acts. Even in the US where the Crusades and the Inquisition are rarely thought about, "Christians" are thought of as judgmental people who think they are better than everyone else, and who want to force others to live like the Christian.

Perhaps worse, in many parts of the US the term "Christian" is viewed as simply a traditional status. People who haven't been to church in years and have no real influence of the Bible on their life claim to be "Christian" because they were baptized into the church or their parents were Christian. I talked to one girl recently who said she was a Christian because she occasionally visited a church, but her parents where Buddhist because once a year they visit a temple. In neither case was the religion any more than a country club they belonged to.

Personally, I cling to the term "Christian" because it contains the name of our savior. Literally the term references a follower of Christ, and therefore actually an equivalent term if the word "Christian" itself it confusing to our audience. Terms like "Bond Servant", "relationship", or "Savior and God" are intended to indicate that the relationship is more than a casual one. Referring to oneself as a "born again" Christian, or "nothing but the blood" are intended to point to the core of what makes one a true Christian, faith in Christ for salvation. People will ask me if I think this or that group are "Christian", and the answer is always that those who accept Jesus sacrifice alone as the fully sufficient answer to our sin problem are, and those who add anything to it might not be. Because the term has become diluted, these clarifications are often necessary.

Regarding Christianity as "religion", it was actually &lt;a href="http://forums.zealfortruth.org/viewtopic.php?p=32706#32706" rel="nofollow"&gt;a discussion here on ZFT&lt;/a&gt; that convinced me that Christianity is not actually a "religion" as &lt;a href="http://forums.zealfortruth.org/viewtopic.php?search_id=1409937571&amp;t=2464" rel="nofollow"&gt;most people use the term&lt;/a&gt;. The symbols, rituals, artifacts and traditions of Christianity are NOT NEEDED to be a Christian. The only thing that IS needed is an acceptance of the gospel of Christ as factually true combined with a decision to accept it. Accepting the authority of Scripture and integrating into the body of believers are also important, but possibly not vital to being "Christian". No other symbol, ritual*, artifact or tradition of Christianity is needed to be "Christian". As a result, Christianity is not technically within the bounds of how most people define religion.

* (The closest thing here are communion and baptism, done as a remembrance and as a symbol of a change that has already occurred. Both SHOULD be done, but one can definitely be a Christian without doing either.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who dislike the term &#8220;Christian&#8221; do so because they feel the term has accumulated a great deal of baggage. The Roman Catholic Church pretty completely owned the term in the West for a very long time, and in some areas things like the Crusades and the Inquisition are viewed as very &#8220;Christian&#8221; acts. Even in the US where the Crusades and the Inquisition are rarely thought about, &#8220;Christians&#8221; are thought of as judgmental people who think they are better than everyone else, and who want to force others to live like the Christian.</p>
<p>Perhaps worse, in many parts of the US the term &#8220;Christian&#8221; is viewed as simply a traditional status. People who haven&#8217;t been to church in years and have no real influence of the Bible on their life claim to be &#8220;Christian&#8221; because they were baptized into the church or their parents were Christian. I talked to one girl recently who said she was a Christian because she occasionally visited a church, but her parents where Buddhist because once a year they visit a temple. In neither case was the religion any more than a country club they belonged to.</p>
<p>Personally, I cling to the term &#8220;Christian&#8221; because it contains the name of our savior. Literally the term references a follower of Christ, and therefore actually an equivalent term if the word &#8220;Christian&#8221; itself it confusing to our audience. Terms like &#8220;Bond Servant&#8221;, &#8220;relationship&#8221;, or &#8220;Savior and God&#8221; are intended to indicate that the relationship is more than a casual one. Referring to oneself as a &#8220;born again&#8221; Christian, or &#8220;nothing but the blood&#8221; are intended to point to the core of what makes one a true Christian, faith in Christ for salvation. People will ask me if I think this or that group are &#8220;Christian&#8221;, and the answer is always that those who accept Jesus sacrifice alone as the fully sufficient answer to our sin problem are, and those who add anything to it might not be. Because the term has become diluted, these clarifications are often necessary.</p>
<p>Regarding Christianity as &#8220;religion&#8221;, it was actually <a href="http://forums.zealfortruth.org/viewtopic.php?p=32706#32706" rel="nofollow">a discussion here on ZFT</a> that convinced me that Christianity is not actually a &#8220;religion&#8221; as <a href="http://forums.zealfortruth.org/viewtopic.php?search_id=1409937571&#038;t=2464" rel="nofollow">most people use the term</a>. The symbols, rituals, artifacts and traditions of Christianity are NOT NEEDED to be a Christian. The only thing that IS needed is an acceptance of the gospel of Christ as factually true combined with a decision to accept it. Accepting the authority of Scripture and integrating into the body of believers are also important, but possibly not vital to being &#8220;Christian&#8221;. No other symbol, ritual*, artifact or tradition of Christianity is needed to be &#8220;Christian&#8221;. As a result, Christianity is not technically within the bounds of how most people define religion.</p>
<p>* (The closest thing here are communion and baptism, done as a remembrance and as a symbol of a change that has already occurred. Both SHOULD be done, but one can definitely be a Christian without doing either.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Can’t We Just Call Ourselves “Christians”? by Colin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This "religious" versus "spiritual" distinction is interesting and I think I buy it. Moreover I think that builds itself into the idea of subjectivism, which then moves into the ultimate form of subjectivism: individualism (in terms of religion, anyway). I was reading this RS interview with Billy Corgan where he talks about being in a cult in the mid-2000's - and you couldn't help but notice why he was drawn to the cult, it allowed him to create a religion that was bigger then himself, but purely as a projection of his own values. In other words, an individualistic religion is basically a tool of self-promotion and self-enlargement into the super-human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;religious&#8221; versus &#8220;spiritual&#8221; distinction is interesting and I think I buy it. Moreover I think that builds itself into the idea of subjectivism, which then moves into the ultimate form of subjectivism: individualism (in terms of religion, anyway). I was reading this RS interview with Billy Corgan where he talks about being in a cult in the mid-2000&#8217;s - and you couldn&#8217;t help but notice why he was drawn to the cult, it allowed him to create a religion that was bigger then himself, but purely as a projection of his own values. In other words, an individualistic religion is basically a tool of self-promotion and self-enlargement into the super-human.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Can’t We Just Call Ourselves “Christians”? by cchrisr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I find it disheartening when people do this as a way to say 'they're not religious'. Clearly, they are, but I think they are ashamed of being 'religious'. They'd rather be 'spiritual' (which is a trite way of saying mystical, looking back at the medieval mystics) or a 'relationship' (as if religion didn't allow relationships). Most importantly, however, I think it is a rejection of the common space shared by believers, opting for a completely private and personal way of worship -- religion on one's own terms. I admit, I once used that kind of language; but now I know that it doesn't fool anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it disheartening when people do this as a way to say &#8216;they&#8217;re not religious&#8217;. Clearly, they are, but I think they are ashamed of being &#8216;religious&#8217;. They&#8217;d rather be &#8217;spiritual&#8217; (which is a trite way of saying mystical, looking back at the medieval mystics) or a &#8216;relationship&#8217; (as if religion didn&#8217;t allow relationships). Most importantly, however, I think it is a rejection of the common space shared by believers, opting for a completely private and personal way of worship &#8212; religion on one&#8217;s own terms. I admit, I once used that kind of language; but now I know that it doesn&#8217;t fool anyone.</p>
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