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		<title>Comment on Government Motors Silently Watches While Feds and Media Take Out Its Chief Competitor by Randy</title>
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		<author>Randy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Possibly the most uninformed piece of garbage I have ever read, remove your head from your ass, methane is deadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly the most uninformed piece of garbage I have ever read, remove your head from your ass, methane is deadly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is What Will Happen When the Tea Party Votes The Lesser of Two Evils by Ornot the Majestic</title>
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		<author>Ornot the Majestic</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, I understand that they are Miranda WARNINGS, I'm simply stating that if we are going to do as you say, and operate under the constitution (even with non-citizens), we should inform them of their constitutional rights in that aspect.

Then again, if we are just going to hold people for an indeterminate amount of time without charging a crime simply to extract information, then by all means, no Miranda warnings needed.

Then again, that's a whole different ball of wax.

I'm sure you smell my sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I understand that they are Miranda WARNINGS, I&#8217;m simply stating that if we are going to do as you say, and operate under the constitution (even with non-citizens), we should inform them of their constitutional rights in that aspect.</p>
<p>Then again, if we are just going to hold people for an indeterminate amount of time without charging a crime simply to extract information, then by all means, no Miranda warnings needed.</p>
<p>Then again, that&#8217;s a whole different ball of wax.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you smell my sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is What Will Happen When the Tea Party Votes The Lesser of Two Evils by Darius</title>
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		<author>Darius</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good comments, Atanamis.  I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, Atanamis.  I agree.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZFT is Seven Years Old! Annual “State of The Site” Post by Atanamis</title>
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		<author>Atanamis</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'd say that a good 80% of what I post I really mean, and therefore it isn't really trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say that a good 80% of what I post I really mean, and therefore it isn&#8217;t really trolling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is What Will Happen When the Tea Party Votes The Lesser of Two Evils by Atanamis</title>
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		<author>Atanamis</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ornot, police are NOT required to issue a Miranda warning if they are not going to use the suspects testimony against them. Today, they can already interrogate terrorists to their hearts content, so long as no confession extracted is ever used in a court of law. The ONLY time Miranda warnings are needed is if the testimony is to be presented as a confession in court. Miranda warnings do NOT allow a suspect to protect another person, only themselves. The Miranda warning is a reminder of the suspects 5th amendment rights, nothing more or less. If everyone knew the Constitution, there would be absolutely no need for Miranda warnings:
http://www.mirandawarning.org/self-incrimination.html

Regarding the law itself, I have a high degree of concern for placing in military custody persons captured within the US who have committed no crime. This seems to be specifically allowed in this proposal. Within the borders of our country, the FBI and National Guard should be able to address any non state of emergency situation, and be able to follow through using civilian courts and prisons. Internationally, I am far more permissive with regard to the use of military force, but these should still be confined to the US constitution (which means protection from self-incrimination in legal proceedings). 

A person under intense interrogation will literally confess to anything, making such a confession is useless. (If useful, verifiable information can be extracted, that would be another thing, but would not be useful in a legal proceeding to determine punishment.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ornot, police are NOT required to issue a Miranda warning if they are not going to use the suspects testimony against them. Today, they can already interrogate terrorists to their hearts content, so long as no confession extracted is ever used in a court of law. The ONLY time Miranda warnings are needed is if the testimony is to be presented as a confession in court. Miranda warnings do NOT allow a suspect to protect another person, only themselves. The Miranda warning is a reminder of the suspects 5th amendment rights, nothing more or less. If everyone knew the Constitution, there would be absolutely no need for Miranda warnings:<br />
<a href="http://www.mirandawarning.org/self-incrimination.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mirandawarning.org/self-incrimination.html</a></p>
<p>Regarding the law itself, I have a high degree of concern for placing in military custody persons captured within the US who have committed no crime. This seems to be specifically allowed in this proposal. Within the borders of our country, the FBI and National Guard should be able to address any non state of emergency situation, and be able to follow through using civilian courts and prisons. Internationally, I am far more permissive with regard to the use of military force, but these should still be confined to the US constitution (which means protection from self-incrimination in legal proceedings). </p>
<p>A person under intense interrogation will literally confess to anything, making such a confession is useless. (If useful, verifiable information can be extracted, that would be another thing, but would not be useful in a legal proceeding to determine punishment.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Government Motors Silently Watches While Feds and Media Take Out Its Chief Competitor by Atanamis</title>
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		<author>Atanamis</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The bottom line is that Toyota cars are still having dangerous problems and they had to be forced into the recalls. Toyota has hidden its recalls in the past using various strategies but sooner or later it all catches up to you. You reap what you sow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I own a Toyota car, and haven't even checked whether it is part of the recall. I am still far more likely to be killed by a fellow driver behind the wheel of a perfectly operating Ford SUV than from a malfunctioning accelerator. &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year" rel="nofollow"&gt;43,313 people died in 2008&lt;/a&gt; due to automobiles. How many of those deaths do you think were due to Toyota malfunctions? Driving is a massively dangerous activity, and these defects must have been pretty slight to have such a small impact.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Its not so easy being the largest automaker.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Especially not when you are dealing with a national government as a competitor. Ford is probably the only US auto maker I would even consider buying from after the scam run by the other two to steal my money.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Quality is a funny perception. When a manufacturer makes widgets there is an acceptable amount of defects. Lets say 10 widgets per 1000 made. If your only making 100000 widgets you would have 100 bad widgets and they might be hard to notice, easy to replace and not worthy of a recall. But if you make 10000000 widgets you will have 10000 bad widgets. No longer easy to hide and the media finds out about it. Multiply this by the number of parts in a car and you can see why the largest automakers have quality issues if they start cutting corners like Toyota has. One worker in Japan worked himself to death at 30 years of age recently. Google it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I've yet to see strong evidence that Toyota is cutting corners, but if they are then they will see their market share decrease, just as US auto makers saw theirs virtually disappear due to providing crappy quality and high prices. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The media is treating this no differently then how it treated Ford when it had Bridgestone Tire problems on their Explorers back around 2001.
The problem was traced back to one factory which had been bought by the Japanese. The workers were out on strike as the Japanese were trying to bust the union and the bad tires were made my scab labor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Interesting. Seems that the problem was due to hiring insufficiently experienced staff, in the process proving that the union didn't need government protection. If all skilled staff belong to the union, they have negotiating power independent of government controls. I'm not at all clear what that has to do with Toyota though. Was this an attempt at racism against the Japanese?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The bottom line is that Toyota cars are still having dangerous problems and they had to be forced into the recalls. Toyota has hidden its recalls in the past using various strategies but sooner or later it all catches up to you. You reap what you sow.</p></blockquote>
<p>I own a Toyota car, and haven&#8217;t even checked whether it is part of the recall. I am still far more likely to be killed by a fellow driver behind the wheel of a perfectly operating Ford SUV than from a malfunctioning accelerator. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year" rel="nofollow">43,313 people died in 2008</a> due to automobiles. How many of those deaths do you think were due to Toyota malfunctions? Driving is a massively dangerous activity, and these defects must have been pretty slight to have such a small impact.</p>
<blockquote><p>Its not so easy being the largest automaker.</p></blockquote>
<p>Especially not when you are dealing with a national government as a competitor. Ford is probably the only US auto maker I would even consider buying from after the scam run by the other two to steal my money.</p>
<blockquote><p>Quality is a funny perception. When a manufacturer makes widgets there is an acceptable amount of defects. Lets say 10 widgets per 1000 made. If your only making 100000 widgets you would have 100 bad widgets and they might be hard to notice, easy to replace and not worthy of a recall. But if you make 10000000 widgets you will have 10000 bad widgets. No longer easy to hide and the media finds out about it. Multiply this by the number of parts in a car and you can see why the largest automakers have quality issues if they start cutting corners like Toyota has. One worker in Japan worked himself to death at 30 years of age recently. Google it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve yet to see strong evidence that Toyota is cutting corners, but if they are then they will see their market share decrease, just as US auto makers saw theirs virtually disappear due to providing crappy quality and high prices. </p>
<blockquote><p>The media is treating this no differently then how it treated Ford when it had Bridgestone Tire problems on their Explorers back around 2001.<br />
The problem was traced back to one factory which had been bought by the Japanese. The workers were out on strike as the Japanese were trying to bust the union and the bad tires were made my scab labor.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting. Seems that the problem was due to hiring insufficiently experienced staff, in the process proving that the union didn&#8217;t need government protection. If all skilled staff belong to the union, they have negotiating power independent of government controls. I&#8217;m not at all clear what that has to do with Toyota though. Was this an attempt at racism against the Japanese?</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is What Will Happen When the Tea Party Votes The Lesser of Two Evils by Darius</title>
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		<author>Darius</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The language does seem a bit ambiguous.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Government Motors Silently Watches While Feds and Media Take Out Its Chief Competitor by Ornot the Majestic</title>
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		<author>Ornot the Majestic</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>George, the fact that Toyota has managed to eliminate unions is probably the number one reason why their product is durable, affordable and they don't require bail-outs.  Most recalls are secondary to problems with government safety ratings, which, of course, doesn't mean a car is actually safe.

Maybe, just maybe, if the Big Three quit making crap and quit over-paying their workers, they'd actually have the ability to make a car people want to drive. You know, without begging for money from uncle Sam from a private jet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, the fact that Toyota has managed to eliminate unions is probably the number one reason why their product is durable, affordable and they don&#8217;t require bail-outs.  Most recalls are secondary to problems with government safety ratings, which, of course, doesn&#8217;t mean a car is actually safe.</p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe, if the Big Three quit making crap and quit over-paying their workers, they&#8217;d actually have the ability to make a car people want to drive. You know, without begging for money from uncle Sam from a private jet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is What Will Happen When the Tea Party Votes The Lesser of Two Evils by Ornot the Majestic</title>
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		<author>Ornot the Majestic</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>1.) They are SUSPECTED terrorists/beligerents. Whether they are citizens or not, I don't believe that anyone should be held without knowledge of their rights and then 'specially interrogated'.  If they are indeed terrorists, then they should be punished as such. While I loathe people who attempt to kill/maim/frighten, I also loathe anyone who asks for special permissions when it comes to people's lives.  Something to think about.

2.) The fact that it doesn't distinguish citizenship is probably hardly an accident, given the recent reports of home-grown suspects who are citizens.  This bothers me. We should be ever vigilant for any attempts at "loopholes" for "protection" which have anything to do with our basic rights here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.) They are SUSPECTED terrorists/beligerents. Whether they are citizens or not, I don&#8217;t believe that anyone should be held without knowledge of their rights and then &#8217;specially interrogated&#8217;.  If they are indeed terrorists, then they should be punished as such. While I loathe people who attempt to kill/maim/frighten, I also loathe anyone who asks for special permissions when it comes to people&#8217;s lives.  Something to think about.</p>
<p>2.) The fact that it doesn&#8217;t distinguish citizenship is probably hardly an accident, given the recent reports of home-grown suspects who are citizens.  This bothers me. We should be ever vigilant for any attempts at &#8220;loopholes&#8221; for &#8220;protection&#8221; which have anything to do with our basic rights here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is What Will Happen When the Tea Party Votes The Lesser of Two Evils by Colin</title>
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		<author>Colin</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Darius, I think the term "terrorist" is a subjective, non-legal term. The law deals with "criminals." Terrorists are criminals when they commit a crime - no new distinction needs to be made. 

Apart from the fact that this law would apply to US citizens, it also cites the reasons for indefinite detention as:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A person is considered a “high value detainee” if they fulfill one of the following criteria.

(1) poses a threat of an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the U.S. or U.S. facilities abroad; (2) poses a threat to U.S. military personnel or U.S. military facilities; (3) potential intelligence value; (4) is a member of al Qaeda or a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda or (5) such other matters as the President considers appropriate.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius, I think the term &#8220;terrorist&#8221; is a subjective, non-legal term. The law deals with &#8220;criminals.&#8221; Terrorists are criminals when they commit a crime - no new distinction needs to be made. </p>
<p>Apart from the fact that this law would apply to US citizens, it also cites the reasons for indefinite detention as:</p>
<blockquote><p>A person is considered a “high value detainee” if they fulfill one of the following criteria.</p>
<p>(1) poses a threat of an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the U.S. or U.S. facilities abroad; (2) poses a threat to U.S. military personnel or U.S. military facilities; (3) potential intelligence value; (4) is a member of al Qaeda or a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda or (5) such other matters as the President considers appropriate.
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