OBAMA is being propped up!!! I question the media's relationship with Obama, BIG TIME. He is a liar and a phony (period).

Obama stutters and stammers and lies. That is about all he does, and he does it well.

Thats a FLIP-FLOP. report it as one. If it was Obama, it would have been all over the news. Mccain supports anything that polls well.

mj,

Give it a rest. McCain once proudly said that the media was his "base". Now hopefully the media will start covering McCain in all his bumpy glory.

They can start by covering the flip-flop McCain did last Friday at the GM TEch Center regarding car emissions. McCain has always said he was for Federally regulated emissions standards, but told the crowd on Friday that he now favors state regulated emissions standards (a death knell for US automakers).

McCain supporters today are saying we MAY be able to pull out sometime in 2012 or 2013. Five or six YEARS! How much will that cost???

Obama didn't vote against a general petreaus betrayus ad because of pressure from move.org.

Obama has had the stated the same Iraq policy since Nov 2006. The McCain camp is so desperate now, they just make up stuff as they go along!!

They try to create these fake controversies in hopes that the media plays along. Hopefully by now the media is catching on to what many Dems already knew: McCain campaign is spinning out of control!!!

I fully agree with McCain, Obama just wants to win the campaign, not care for the country.

Not only in the competitionon between Obama and McCain, but also in the competition between Obama and Hillary, it has shown that Obama just wants to win the campaign. All he did just wanting to win, not care what's good for the country.

All I have learned from Obama is, not hard work, but point out what's wrong with others'.

The young generation was misled.

His campaign is totally negative. He is a truely opportunist. He claimed he doesn't like war, is only because he wants to attract the votes. After he visited Iraq, he claimed no timetable for withdrawl, which proved McCain is right and more trustworthy.

lol

mccain is so pathetic, and all you repubs know it too

obama is looking like a president right now

and mccain is looking like a babbling senior

McCain said we can withdraw in as soon as 2 years.

McCain said it has to be conditions based of the iraqis taking over.

Obama wants to run out without turning it over to the iraqis.

Obama will leave a vacuum.

Obama said u.s troops more u.s troops in iraq would create more violence. Now he is saying they reduced violence before saying the military didn't affect anything.

Obama is flip flopping all over the place.

In his first two years in the senate Obama voted for more funds for the troops until he voted agaisnt the funds to win political points during the primary.

McSame, said that 100 years in Irak is good and that the withdraw of troops is not a priority. But if McSame wants Irak as a future friend and ally of the US, then the occupation has to end, you do not continue to occupy a friend and that is what Obama is about, he can build a good relationship with Irak and keep that country as a very close ally in the future. Boots diplomacy and cowboy talks will not make it, McSame has to know about that. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Steve wrote:
McCain said we can withdraw in as soon as 2 years.
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No McCain said today 2012 or 2013.

Does anyone remember at the start of this process when McCain said he was going to run a clean campaign? Day in and day out Obama treats McCain with respect, and in turn the McCain camp attacks Obama endlessly.

Peace

How can you lose a war that you went into based on lies? McCain, Bush and all the others, lied to the American people, they took us into the war on lies, we should never have gone into Iraq, for the Republicans to keep using the excuse that those people needed to be free, is like china coming here and telling us we should not.
McCain has a lot of nerve to say anything about this war. Bush had no plan, McCains plan is to keep Bushes going. The Republicans are so bad that they are now using Obama's plan to end this war to try to make McCain look good. They make my stomach turn.

Oh golfgirl...c'mon. . .I think the American people have figured out that the current crop of Republicans are the real "phonies" out there. Isn't it bad enough that conservatives love America sooooo much that they have to engage in outright lies and deception to get support from the American people?

And yet the GOP trots out the very same candidate they threw under the bus eight years ago - in favor of George W. Bush - and expects us to trust them that they can make a good decision THIS time.

No thanks. You had your chance, and the American people are paying heavily for that mistake.

McCain wanting credit for the surge is like someone setting your house on fire and then wanting a pat on the back for calling 9-1-1!

Talk about "inexperienced". . .the media hauls out wingnut/dominionist Heather Wilson as if that moron possesses an objective brain cell in her head?

I can't imagine what Heather Wilson has ever done to give her "experience" in identifying the needs of the presidency. Last I read, she is going to be struggling to hold onto her own congressional seat this year.

Wasn't the Surge supposed to mean we could start withdrawing US troops? Wasn't that the point? So how come McCain says its been succesful but we can't start withdrawing troops? I think McCain is clinging onto one thin hope that people will think the Surge is working. Otherwise he could go down to a very heavy defeat. And histopry will say that he lost because at least in part, he didn't take full advantage of that coupld of months head start he had in the national campaign.

McCain said we can withdraw in as soon as 2 years.

McCain said it has to be conditions based of the iraqis taking over.

Obama wants to run out without turning it over to the iraqis.--Steve
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What are you talking about? McCain said he could imagine most U.S. troops home by 2013. I think he's unsure what his position is now. Both sides are talking about a timetable or a "time horizon," as the Bush Administration is now calling it, so McCain isn't sure where he stands anymore. He supported establishing permanent bases in Iraq--as did President Bush. He also thought it was a great idea to invade the country. That demonstrated good judgment, didn't it? Obama has never talked about withdrawing troops without evaluating conditions on the ground. He wants to have the country run by Iraqis--it's their country, isn't it?

McCain is still whining like a baby complaining that Obama would rather lose a war than lose an election.Senator McCain is pathetic he thinks that what he says is Gospel and anything Senator Obama says is always wrong.McCain wants to force his views on Senator Obama and let no one else speak. He is upset that Senator Obama has more coverage than he does, so he cries about it and makes ridiculous statements just to get air time. He is an angry old man who is just stuck in his old ways and will not listen to anybody elses reasoning.Senator Obama keep doing what you are doing to get ready for the Presidency.

Heather Wilson lost her primary this year and will be leaving office at the end of her term.

McCain worries more about "winning" a stupid war than he does keeping the United States a great nation.

Plus, McCain is the one that has sold his soul for the presidency. The man has given up any and all morals he ever had to get elected. "Straight Talk", bushshit.

McCain is more worried about election than bankrupting us and ruining any credibility on the world stage that we may have left.

The MAINSCREAM media has failed the US so badly that covering for their errors is what many of us now focus on. Notice they do the bushbabys bidding by failing to list any war dead count either from IRAQ or Afghanistan, which was never added to the WAR ON TERROR totals ever. Now you will only see the monthly dead from the new Afghani front and perhaps you can forget the 5000 or so previously dead soldiers. Did you get the newsie story about how all the participants in the PAT TILLMAN cover up now employ the ronnie rayguns, don't know and can't remember defense? Wonder which MAINSCREAM outlet will total the cash payouts to the IRAQI insurgents to quit fighting in order to pretend the surge worked? FILM AT ELEVEN folks right after the DESPERATE NETWORK show...

McCain has got to be the worst presidential candidate in over twenty years.

Obuma is ONLY concerned about winning in November, as well he should!
He is tied with McCain, and Obuma is sinking lower everyday. Sweet!

Wait, losing what war? Iraq? We won remember? MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. We even put Saddam's neck in a noose. A real victory will be getting our men and women back home.

McCain has got to be the worst presidential candidate in over twenty years.

Posted by: R | Jul 22, 2008 4:55:58 PM

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And OBUMA THE WORST EVER!

The surge was a great success. The results are almost 1,000 more dead American troops and another several hundred billion more $$$$. That's all. With successes like this, we truly need Democrats in charge to "lose" more wars.

Disgusting thing for McCain to say. He should be ashamed. A more accurate statement would be that McCain is more concerned about the future of Iraq than about the future of America.

The GOP doesn't know the meaning of CLEAN. All they know is how to play dirty and hide behind their so called religious moral values; that is their brand. Sure abortion is against the law of God but so are 1. LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 2. LEADING A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT 3. GREED OVER FOREIGN OIL.I just hope and pray the majority of Americans are tired of it!!!! and see them for what they really are HYPOCRITS!!! All McCain talks about is winning and losing the war but NEVER NEVER defines winning. Maybe because their is no winining when it comes to Terrorism because there will all ways be Terrorist in this world, especially from places like the middle east.

~ McCrackers is a Senile Disgrace" But go on" Stupidity is a Freedom too" Vote for our destruction" Vote Lucifer McCain

~ The GOP's hands are dripping with the Blood of our young soldiers" I guess one dead Son a day is a Success?? It is if your a Bloody war monger like McCain!!! If he gets Elected there surely is no God.........

There is no definition of "winning" in Iraq that can be explained publicly. But Bush, Cheney and the oil company executives like Lee Raymond know that we won the war as soon as we invaded. The problem for them is to keep it going longer so they can sop up more hard earned money from the middle class in exorbitant energy pricing.

McCain can try to slam Obama all he wants. The fact is that McCain has reversed course on his convictions and adopted Bush's policies because he can't figure out any other stategy that will win for him. He is engaged in a sisyphian task, however, because no matter how you paint it McCain wants to stick with the old and Americans have had enough and are going to go for the new, and that means Obama. McCain may have bucked his party on some things in the past, but now that he's lost in trying to figure out a winning strategy, he's clinging to his security blanket of the neocons and far right and it's just not going to work. George Bush has f-cked McCain in every way he can.

Regarding McCain's comment that “there will continue to be spectacular attacks” adding Al Qaeda has not been “completely defeated” but they have been “set back enormously” because of the surge strategy, have we found any Iraq-Al Qaeda connection yet that would be affected by the Surge strategy or is he referring to a future surge in Afghanistan as Senator Obama has suggested?

okay which candidate never mentions his push to go into the war?

which candidate never says the war was a mistake?

which candidate never mentions that this surge cost us 200,000,000,000 dollars and we don't know whether it will work

which candidate flipped on almost every principal they had to get the right wing base?

which candidate thinks it is more important that his surge look like it worked at the expense of afghanistan and pakistan falling into chaos?

which candidate...

this is joke mcCain... when the surge wasn't working on it's own he used the exact playbook from afghanistan and started giving millions and guns to muslim extremists (insurgents) to fight with us against the taliban...

the exact same thing we did in afghanistan and ended up with al qaeda and osama bin laden

he is an old man who is stuck in bad old outdated war strategy from the 80's. which brought terrorists back on our soil and gave them their biggest recruitment tools they have ever had.

About the only thing McCain can say is repeated whining and finger pointing. It's so pathetic! Every statement he makes is a criticism of Obama but you don't hear Obama returning the mud slinging! If McCain expect to win the election by mudslinging and criticizing his opponent, he's a sorry case for president. Haven't we had enough of Bush finger pointing at others and blaiming everyone else for his mistakes? It doesn't take much charactor to deamonize someone else, is that all the Republicans have to offer? - A disenchanted independent.

It was John McCain who voted to send our soldier to war with a country which was no threat to us, a country which DID NOT have ANY weapons of mass destruction, AND IT IS John McCain WHO HAS SAID THAT HE WOULD MAKE THE SAME DECISION AGAIN. John McCain said that even with the faulty intelligence,(LIES)the war was premise on, that he, John McCain still felt that war with Iraq was justified, AND THAT HE WOULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
This is even though John McCain knows that the Iraq war has resulted in 4000 of our soldiers DYING in IRAQ!!! THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT!!! JOHN McCAIN SAYING THAT HE WHO WOULD STILL SEND SOLDIERS INTO A WAR HE KNOWS WAS BASED ON A LIE!!!

Obama wants to lose a war in order to win a political campaign. Obama will sell his mother to get more votes. He will call his grand mother a racist in order to get more votes.

Obama does whatever the politics demand.

Obama supports Al Qaeda if it assures him to get elected.

McCain "was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he still fails to acknowledge--he still fails to acknowledge that" he never should have supported any aspect of it. He still fails to acknowledge that his support of GWB has led this country down the drain. Never trust a Republican, ever!

I love the way Obama followers quickly get to personal attacks on McCain. It's like they can't justify their puppet so they attack the opponent. Childish, isn't it?

Obama has shown bad judgment. He wants to lose a war by simply pulling out. That is a judgment Americans should not support.

Obama's opposition to Iraq war is not based on good judgment. But it is based on the fact that he is anti-war. Remember his association with William Ayers, the domestic terrorist, who is an anti-Vietnam war terrorist.

Some One: Lose a war.... are you serious!!!
How can you lose a war that was based on lies to begin with. How dare you, how dare McCain and the Republicans.

Obama does whatever the politics demand... really... you can't be for real. McCain on my last count which was about 3 weeks ago had flip flopped (Lied)
61 times.

Paul: Thank you!!! I totally agree.

Aston wrote:
I love the way Obama followers quickly get to personal attacks on McCain. It's like they can't justify their puppet so they attack the opponent. Childish, isn't it?
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And yet here is a post from our friend Aston earlier today:

(Is there no end to his ego?)
Posted by: Aston | Jul 22, 2008 1:11:30 PM

Someone in here said that Obama was dishing out lies and blaming the opponent for everything going on. Upon reviewing this article and the one about the NYT snubbing McCain's OpEd letter (and reading McCain's intended letter) I can say that this is a false statement.

It appears that, in fact, it is McCain doing the finger-pointing and the ridiculing, whereas Obama is staying above that level of child's play. He makes positive statements that do not villify McCain, and don't question his opinions.

In the NYT post that McCain was going to put forth, McCain was going all over Obama about the surge. The OpEd articles from both candidates are to be about their goals about how and where they will lead this country if one becomes president. Obama kept that focus in his editorial, but McCain railed on him about his going to Iraq and harping about how 'successful' the surge was and that Obama must admit the surge worked.

Frantic are the cries of a drowning man.

SURGE ALL YOU WANT McCain, but the fact still remains that your best judgment would not have been necessary had you listened to Obama not to go to Iraq in the first place.

I can't agree more with one comment above that likens McCain's best judgment to someone who sets fire to his house and then asks everyone to call him a hero for dialing 9-1-1.

But besides, I think the bigger and better question to focus on is what to do now. Here too the difference couldn't be more stark. While McCain wants to find any excuse for continuing to stay with talks like oh, well, we don't know what might happen if we leave, Obama says let's have a goal to get out of here and let the Iraqis be the sovereign nation we've spent money and blood to create.

The conclusion? Obama got it right first about whether to go to Iraq or not and he is still right today about the timing to leave. And McCain? well, I reserve my comment but you can judge for yourself.

IT IS JOHN McCAIN WHO VOTED TO GO TO WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE!

IT IS JOHN McCAIN WHO SENT 4000 SOLDIERS TO DIE.

IT IS JOHN McCAIN WHO HAS SAID THAT HE WOULD MAKE THE SAME DECISION TO GO TO WAR EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS THAT 4000 SOLDIERS HAVE DIED!

IT IS JOHN McCAIN WHO HAS SAID THAT EVEN WITH THE FAULTY INTELLIGENCE (LIES) HE WOULD STILL HAVE VOTED TO INVADE IRAQ.

THIS IS EVEN WHEN JOHN McCAIN KNOWS THAT OVER 4000 U.S SOLDIERS HAVE DIED IN THE WAR!!!

THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT, HOW THE HELL COULD JOHN McCAIN SAY THAT KNOWING THAT 4000 US SOLDIERS DIED, HE WOULD STILL MAKE THE SAME DECISION TO GO TO WAR WITH IRAQ AGAIN, EVEN WITH THE FAULTY INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION!!

McCain, in effect, is accusing Obama of treason. That's pretty desperate. That doesn't leave a lot for tomorrow. Except maybe accusing him of making eyes at his blonde wife. McCain lost all his ethics along his journey. May God have mercy on his soul.

Becky, I want you to get this into your head. Losing a war has nothing to do with the reasons given to start the war.

That was George W. Bush's war and I think it was stupid of him to start the war.

However, at this point, there is a situation. USA cannot simply walk away from Iraq without winning. Losing is not an option for most of us. Of course, Obama would like to win this election by removing troops from Iraq even if it means losing a war.

However, I am not sure what Obama does. He is trying to get elected. May be he will refine his policies after getting elected. He may claim situation has changed and he cannot remove troops. He has zero credibility. Obama is a politician. The worst kind. If you are a young person, then my advise to you is to see what Obama does, not what he says.

If we pull out on Obama's timeline, we'll have to go back in later when Iran takes over. A vote for Obama is a vote for Iraqi War part III.

For a big bad war hero he is such a whinney bitch.

To all the libs who are "omg, mccain voted for teh war so his judgment suxxors!"

We are in the war now. Like it or not. Obama made the wrong choice in opposing the surge to help the war. Now he can claim all he wants that he didnt want to go to war in the first place, but now that we are there we need someone who can lead our country during a war. Obama is not that man.

People are calling names. If anything, it is Obama who whines how he can't eat waffles .. waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!

"Obama stutters and stammers"....?

That comment came from someone who likely voted for George Bush, the master of articulation?

"Obama flip flops"

mmm, Malaki suddenly agrees with Obama's timetable and now Bush and McCain start nudging toward a timetable themselves. Who flipped? Negotiations with Iraq? Same story.

"The Media is in love with Obama"

And the media wasn't in love with the Republicans for, oh, about 4 years following 9/11. Get real. McCain has been trotting around the midwest last week, Obama was in the Mideast. What's more newsworthy? The Neocon whining gets more shrill and desperate. Grow some rocks, you all talk a big game, but when the going gets tough, you resort to being big pantloads.

Well there goes McCain's promise not to question his opponent's patriotism.

Of course we knew it wouldn't last - throwing "i'm more patriotic" mud is the only talking point the Repubs have

McSAME. How many of our men and women have DIED since your stupid ass surge began? Why don't you ask the FAMILIES of those who lost people during this "miracle surge" how they feel?

Obama is just like Bush. Blame some one else for everything that goes wrong.

Since Obama has no solution to winning war and the only solution he offered is to lose the war, I say, Obama is unfit to be the President of the US.

Some One: You ARE WRONG. He wants to put the troops in the RIGHT WAR, not one that was started based on LIES LIES LIES.

LIES.

ericmiami,

But didn't you hear that Obama is the reason we have $4 per gallon gas, the sinking of the Titanic, The Great Depression and Global Warming, LOL!

What is this petty crap of calling people McSame, McBush?

We can as well call Barrack Ayers Obama, Losoma, Barrezko, BarrWright.

BarrAyers was against the war because he belongs to the Weather Underground.

The Iraq war was wrong. It is time to get out. The Iraqis want us out. McCain needs to get on board with this and stop throwing insults at his opponent.

John is doing just fine, losing this campaign all by himself.

winning war in iraq--could someone give the details exact what we will have won--AND AT WHAT COST--FINANCIALY AND IN HUMAN LIVES AND SUFFERING-----no bs answers please

Is anyone else having the Mother Abigale dream? McScrimp and baby O, These are our choice's really? The the best the Republicans could put forward? Obama not enough substance, What is a voter to do? It is like voting for Dumb or Dummer, How can anyone argue that the country is good shape? Those my friends are Republican policy Or Neo Con Democrats, Ha you have a majority of spineless self serving jerks in history, I say fine just Nuke Iran and get it over with Ok. I am tired of Government, Look it is like following a drunken coke head with a credit card, Care no they don't, So stop kidding yourself, The American dream? You have to be asleap to believe it, George Carlin

Some One: Why do you want us to stay in Iraq. The war was started because they were supposedly in control of WMD. There were none. We aren't even at war. We are occupying the place. One day, we will have to leave. It's not going to be the 51st state. So why should we stay for another 5-6 years? Why not get the hell out of there as fast as possible? There's an Iraqi government in place, there's an Iraqi police force in place, let them be.

http://www.princeton.edu/~jlyall/Artillery.pdf

There is no win or lose, only more war

Some One how can you lose a war that was already won????? Did you lose your mind??? Our military defeated the Iraq army commanded by Sadam and his sons. Sadam was hung and is grave yard dead so our Military can come home any day having won the war they were sent to win in Iraq, now we need to finish the one in Afganastan.

the short and the long of it is ---DOES ANYONE CARE WHAT MCCAIN THINKS ABOUT OBAMA---HE IS STARTING TO GET A LITTLE STALE WITH HIS BASHING.--

That any sane person is still supporting this idiot is unbelievable!

Obama is the biggest liar in the free world!

McCain: "Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign."

That's a rather large assumption, coming from a man who ditched his cancer-stricken first wife to marry a beer-heiress trophy wife.

Obviously, he couldn't handle the hard battle against cancer that would come with that first marriage. He couldn't afford the time out of the Senate spotlight to be by his first wife, and bailed out.

Hypocrite.

Thanks to Mccain for bringing up the issue about judgement.

He is going around talking about how right he was about the surge in iraq.

The question about judgement is 'who was right about preventing the war in the first place?'.

McCain is just dodging now that Maliki has endorsed Obama's position and even Bush is open to a quasi-timetable. McCain will need to answer questions about withdrawal very soon. He must make a palpable shift.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Thanks to Mccain for bringing up the issue about judgement.

He is going around talking about how right he was about the surge in iraq.

The question about judgement is 'who was right about preventing the war in the first place?'.

McCain has done nothing throughout his whole campaign thus far but bash Obama and talk about his "war experience." Saying that Obama "stutters" and is a "liar" only makes me more supportive of the Obama campaign because if that is the best argument tnat a McCain supporter can come up with against Obama I personally think it makes Obama look more competent and revals that the McCain campain is seriously lacking. GO OBAMA '08!

This talk about being willing to win a war than to win a campaign sounds to me that mccain is effectively saying he is willing to act unilaterally to take the country to war against the wish of the american people.

Senator Obama did not listen to the troops on the ground in Iraq and is going ahead with his preconceived ideas about Iraq. His whole assessment is childish and phony. He certainly is proving he lacks judgment to be the president. He is a pathetic candidate who will do anything to get a few more votes. He is a dud.

McSame will say and do anything to try to get votes.
This is republican same O - dirt throwing for his base of 21%
He is trying to blame Obama for everything bad in hopes it will stick, with some of the idiots voters that just dont bother read anything, in other words Republicans.

Mary - don't you watch TV or the News.

If you just reverse the perspective of that comment, you cannot help notice that McCain is fixated with winning the war. What please tell me defines Winning the war? I have never heard a definition of when this is won, except of course Bush's "Mission Accomplished"
which should have been followed by immediate withdrawal.

An example of Media Bias:

Oh holy Obama, our global savior, our global king tax us into oblivion, destroy our will to fight, make the audacious folks "you know who" pay up!
Get all of us to give the United Nations our hard earned money to blow on whatever folly they wish, give them our sovereignty, disarm us, Oh great Marxist imposter King. Stutter, Stammer, the media will clear it up. Ms. McKinney shines with radiance in your secular incompetence. Oh great audacious folk hater, bring us to our knees so that we might worship you.
Do you think this is biased? If so, do you think the media will start selling relics of Obama's hair? Where can I buy some of his hair or worn shoes? Is he God or just some lesser demagogue, sort of like Xerxes or Mao?

At least McCain can make intelligent conversation. I don't want him to win, but I have a very hard time thinking that he is more ignorant than Bush.

Liars, that is all Bush and McBush
are. They lie so much they can't even
tell when they are telling the truth are
lying. They are both pathetic.
This war should have never been started
in the first place. All Lies!!
Neither one of the them are man
enough to stand up and say I lied,
and lets end this war and go after
the real tyrants who caused 9-11.
No, they have to continue their lies
and make our military pay, and all
Americans pay for their ignorant mistake. Is it November yet?????
IMPEACH BUSH!!!!