Honda VFR conversion to electric power now complete
Filed under: EV/Plug-in, AutoblogGreen Exclusive, On Two Wheels

Why do so many people want to be hatin' on home electric vehicle conversions? When we featured Andrew Angellotti and his DIY Mazda pick-up truck conversion, a lot of people felt the need to criticize what this boy had done. Granted, there were some who defended him as well, but the very fact that people took the time to denegrate what he'd done was strange to me. Guess I shouldn't be surprised that something similar happened to Travis Gintz, the guy behind the eVFR (above).
It's taken quite a while to get to this stage, but Gintz wrote in to let us know that his electron-powered Honda VFR is finished. The other day, he took it to EV Awareness Day in Portland, Oregon. As Travis writes on his blog:
The first question out of everyone's mouth was "How far does it go"... to which I replied "15-20 miles on crappy used UPS batteries I got for free". I initially wanted to go with larger lead [acid batteries], but since these were free, I wanted to develop/test the mechanical first, and then upgrade to lithium in the fall. Its all working and now I can shop for alternatives to lead. Most people scoffed a little, I didn't care, Its quite a feat in a motorcycle, especially keeping it stock looking. I know what the end result will be.... LiFePo and AC will eventually find their way into that bike. It will perform well, and range will be 30-40 miles.
Compare this positivity to the negative comments some people feel the need to leave. Gintz said that the bike is now completely assembled, except for the turn signals and will be registered to be street-legal soon. We talked a bit with Travis about his project and you can read our interview after the jump.
UPDATE: picture updated at Travis' request.
ABG: Tell us about the process of developing the conversion.
Gintz: I saw the Tesla last year, and decided I wanted to look into building an EV myself. I have an electrical engineering background, and LOVE gadgets, so it came naturally. I looked into cars, but for 10 grand, and lots of work, it might be over my budget. I'm a single guy living alone, so I don't have 10 grand sitting around, just to get 30-50 miles for commuting. I drive a Dodge Durango, and gas is starting to hurt. I needed a cheap commuter solution. I looked at a popular site called EVAlbum. They had some other vehicles, and the more I looked into motorcycles, the more I was sold on the idea. I started looking for bikes, and found someone on Craigslist that had a roller with bad engine and donated it to me. Then I ran into some guys at a new startup company called Synkromotive, in Portland, OR. They wanted to help the conversion, and in exchange for a controller, I would do testing/assmembly and R&D. Its been a great relationship with Synkromotive. A few weeks later, while looking for parts for the free bike, I found one in Florida that had a bad engine, but was in pristine shape. I bought it, shipped it here, and parted out the engine, electrical and exhaust. I almost broke even. Very shortly after this, I found a guy up near Seattle that had tons of batteries he wasn't using for his motorcycle, and another rolling chassis, it was well worth $60 in gas to go get it. So I had a good roller and batteries and a controller. Found a motor on a surplus website. Assembly began in February. Another VFR guy wanted to help, and had fabrication background. We welded up a battery tray and made a motor mount. A month ago, we threw everything together and took it out for its first few runs. It was a great feeling. After 8 months of getting parts, designing and building... it all paid off.
ABG: I read on your blog that people often scoff when you tell them the range of your bike. How do you feel about that?
Gintz: I didn't mind much when people scoffed at the range. They were surprised it got so little range, but once I told them the batteries were used, and free and that they are half the capacity of similar projects they seemed less concerned. The batteries also fit in the frame better than larger batteries. I went into detail about how cheaply it can be run, and that my need for range is below 20 miles a day for my work commute. I asked them how much they paid to drive to work and back every day.... I estimated it'd cost me less than $0.25 to drive to work and back, with almost no yearly maintenance other than brakes/chain. I do plan on lithium in the future, and will replace this pack with LiFePo in the next few months. I want to get the mechanical system worked out, and decide on gearing. This motorcycle will be a test bench for AC motors/controllers, charging systems for SLA and LiFePo. Its not finished by any stretch, but its drivable, and when it gets registered this next week, I'll have a cheap alternative for my daily commute in a vehicle that has a stock look but runs on electrons. I think its a huge feat to get that much energy out of batteries to get a vehicle that far. Most people don't commute more than 30 miles a day, its perfect. I like how someone put it earlier: "It's pretty insane when a guy in his garage needs to show the motorcycle industry where the future is." Thats kind of what I think. When are manufacturers that HAVE the ability to develop technology going to see all these people converting? Just think what they could do it a car/motorcycle was designed from the ground up as an EV. I met my goals and expectations and have a sweet looking bike, with great performance, and its not even finished.
Quick statistics:
1986 Honda VFR700F
Series wound Advanced DC motor
156V 600A Synkromotive controller
12 12V 18Ah batteries running in 2-72V strings. Capable of 144V. Switching to Lifepo soon
4:1 gear ratio, will be moving to ~5:1
Range: 15-20 on used batteries
Top speed: 65mph, one gear, no clutch
Charging system is custom













Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
7-07-2008 @ 8:29PM
DRoseDARs said...
Before the haters start hatin' on this bike, allow me to be the first to say, "Want."
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7-07-2008 @ 8:50PM
AlexNC said...
awesome awesome awesome!!! don't mind anyone that may hate on you. This is a great feat you have done and should be commended 1000 times for it. I wish I had someone willing to partner up and do a motorcycle conversion with me. I'm pretty sure I could do it, but having a build partner would help a lot. Instead, I am currently looking at the EVC Volta and Electric Motorsport GPR-S. Both look like some amazing machines, much like yours. Keep up good work!
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7-07-2008 @ 8:56PM
TIMMAH! said...
Nothing wrong with taking it slow. Better than doing a burnout the first timeout and crashing it into the side of a parked van...
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7-07-2008 @ 11:53PM
Joseph said...
I really want something like this.
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7-08-2008 @ 12:41AM
rj said...
nice toy - I wonder how hard it is to push it 15 miles back home alongside the freeway.... just kidding :-)
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7-08-2008 @ 1:12AM
Travis said...
haha, thats what our trailer for, its the EMT, emergency motorcycle
transport. Its been good with testing so far, so we'll see. I don't
think it'l be much of a problem once new batteries are installed.
7-08-2008 @ 1:07AM
Travis said...
Thanks ABG for the great article and update on the motorcycle. Its been a great project. Most of the haters were the snobby people that want 150 miles range they'll never use, or the uneducated that didn't know what a motor is, The people who's opinions mattered the most, were very supportive and non critical of the efforts we put forth.
If anyone is in Portland and wants to come see it, let me know. Contact form is on my page.
Thanks for the great comments. Support is what the industry needs.
We rode it to the shop and people kept staring at this motorcycle that was accelerating pretty fast, making almost no noise. Just gotta wear bright clothing.
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7-08-2008 @ 1:18AM
JoeP said...
I couldn't bear to convert my beloved VFR to electric until the technology improves (I occasionally need much longer range), but I'd love to convert another bike that needs a heart transplant.
My commute is 8 miles each way and I park in a garage with an outlet...oh dang, my VFR is in there...maybe there's still a way.
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7-08-2008 @ 1:23AM
Travis said...
Thats kinda how I am too, even as the builder, range would be good, but I'm ok for now. Once I can get some different batteries in there (thundersky, lifebatt, A123....etc) I'll be able to get some more range. We're coming up on a major shift in efficiency and alternative fuels. Some people are slow to adopt, while others won't wait for things to happen on their own. I won't give up my main transportation until things improve, but this is a fun bike to ride.
7-08-2008 @ 5:47AM
Chris said...
You can't blame people for focussing on range when it comes to EV's because obviously it's the main bottleneck. Still a 15 to 20 miles range is pretty amazing if compared to the range quoted by the only producer of "highway capable" E-cycles I'm aware of which is Vectrix ( http://www.vectrix.com/portal/index.php). Even they claim no more than a 20 miles range at 60 MPH and they use brand new Nickel Metal Hydride batteries! So I'm guessing Travis' range claim is based on lower speeds than that using a DIY vehicle with poor quality batteries and all. I sure appreciate his efforts though, and once someone comes up with an E-cycle offering featuring a 100 mile range at 75 MPH I'm there dude!
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7-08-2008 @ 7:52AM
kert said...
Like, what is wrong with such lithium powered Miata built by Ian Hooper
http://www.zeva.com.au/registry.php?id=1
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7-08-2008 @ 8:28AM
KM said...
Agree with the general comments "why can't major manufacturers make em if a guy can in his garage"
All the gadget freaks with engineering backgrounds get all the fun...
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7-08-2008 @ 9:17AM
tankd0g said...
Honestly these things use so little gas anyway it hardly seems worth it, but then you remember it's going to be absolutely silent. If you're a teen sneaking in late you want one of these.
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7-08-2008 @ 9:33AM
AlexNC said...
For me, it is not about the price, it is about where my money is going. I absolutely hate the idea of my gas money supporting foreign governments that I do not trust. My ultimate goal is to have a solar panels on my garage roof to allow for net-metering to pay for all my weekday transportation needs. Pay a little more today, and it can set you up for an energy infrastructure for many years to come that will end up being a lot cheaper in the long run = set energy price, no oil changes, longer lasting engines, fewer moving parts, infinite energy = sun.
7-08-2008 @ 2:03PM
Dustin said...
I didn't have a complaint when I read the article, but I did after I read the Q&A - His other vehicle is a Dodge Durango! haha
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7-08-2008 @ 2:33PM
Mark Deadrick said...
Saw the bike in Portland this weekend at the show, very nice packaging job. I thought it was just a regular bike parked there among the varying quality electric car conversions, until I peeked into the fairing vents. There was a hint of some batteries in there. While bikes get pretty good mileage to begin with, this is a very good application of electric power, only transporting 300-400% of the driver's weight. Something like that.
I look forward to the results of the upgrades.
Mark in San Diego
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7-08-2008 @ 3:43PM
travis said...
I don't like driving the Durango, Someone totalled my car a year ago when I was living in Spokane, and since I lived way out, I got a 4WD, to tow my trailer for camping. Lost job, moved here, can't get out of the loan. Its going to be the first thing I do when I get the loan down to a decent level to allow for a Trade-in.
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7-08-2008 @ 5:47PM
Dave said...
If only I had the room and equipment to build these. A little bit more range or if I could find a house closer to work and the bike would work out for me. Who knows - maybe I'll get a garage and the tools so I can try to build my own like Travis!
Hey Mark D - you and Tom need to figure out how to power one of those carbon fiber gravity racers you guys built with battery power, just for fun!
(Dave - also in San Diego)
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7-09-2008 @ 1:39AM
Manny said...
If Travis Gintz is in on this, then be prepared for some bumps... He hasn't been in the EV community long. He took his savings and built ONE motorcycle, that doesn't make him an expert. He hacked together some UPS batteries, Synkromotive controller and a Advanced DC motor for his 1986 Honda VFR700F,...
Nice way to shield him ABG.
Too bad Travis won't get any negative comments.
Travis was the first person to say something negative about Mike Kadies' conversions. Don't see why he should not get the same kind of comments he left for a more impressive conversion.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/04/17/tjaarda-and-hst-international-now-taking-orders-for-all-electri/
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7-09-2008 @ 3:50AM
Travis said...
Well, you see, the BIG difference is, I'm not trying to sell high performance cars or motorcycles. Nor have I said I'm an expert.
I put everything I did out there for everyone to read if they want to do their own conversion. I worked with a company designing controllers and had tons of fun for the last year. The controller wasn't off the shelf, I helped with design, R&D and assembly. It wasn't as simple as getting a Zilla or Curtis.
After meeting Katie, he seemed like a fun guy, but then he said his Daytona was the highest performance electric vehicle out there... Which is a direct quote from Kadie. We all know for a fact that he's not the highest performance EV out there.... There have been guys working for YEARS, and even then, they exceeded his stats long ago.
I've only said the cycle goes 15-20 miles, and 65 mph... hardly impressive numbers, but not bad for a first time. I didn't inflate the specifications of the vehicle I put together, I gave shout outs to all those that have helped. He was not very humble and he upset several EV friends of mine in self proclaiming himself a master without the actual status of such.
I'm just building one motorcycle, for fun, and ABG picked up on it several months ago when I started and I updated them on finishing the other day. Big deal. I'm not going into vaporware production.
I still wouldn't put any faith in someone that's done one (or two) conversion(s).... especially if it was myself doing the conversion. This was for fun, for commuting, and not for profit. I'm no master, I'm no professional. I'm no racer. I'm just a guy, trying to get from point a to point b while spending as little as I can on gas.
Still haven't heard about the company's status in the last.... 4 months. What ever happened to him? No update to the website in that time. Nothing new.. No mention of him or the company either.