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Tom Lantos: Your Indignation Is Disqualified

by: Lucas O'Connor

Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 14:27:48 PM PDT


The conservative blogosphere has been abuzz for a few days now over comments made by our own Tom Lantos to Dutch lawmakers over Guantanamo.  A delegation of Dutch legislators toured the prison facility and later met with Lantos in DC.  Delegation members debated the withdrawal of Dutch troops from Afghanistan and Dutch Green Party member Mariko Peters commented that "We have to close Guantanamo because it symbolizes for me everything that is wrong with this war on terror."  Well, Rep. Lantos didn't take too kindly to the sentiment, and angrily called out the group for being, well, soft on the Holocaust:

Europe was not as outraged by Auschwitz as by Guantanamo Bay.

But nope, he wasn't done.  World War Two, it seems, preempts any criticism from Europeans towards the United States, possibly forever.  Lantos went on to declare "You have to help us, because if it was not for us you would now be a province of Nazi Germany."  No mention as to whether French aid during the Revolutionary War disqualifies American criticism of the French, but presumably that would create some sort of physically unstable vortex of disallowed indignation.  I can't speak to the ages of the delegation members, but I would imagine that many were but a gleam in their father's eye during the Holocaust.  Certainly I'm two generations removed.  I wonder whether I, having failed to react strongly to Auschwitz, am also disqualified from moral judgment.  It wouldn't seem as though these comments leave any allowance for, or even aspiration for, an improving world.

So seriously...what the hell?

Lucas O'Connor :: Tom Lantos: Your Indignation Is Disqualified
First of all, As a Holocaust survivor, Lantos clearly has a ton of emotion wrapped up in statements like these.  But I'm really not sure what he is trying to accomplish by comparing the United States to Nazi Germany.  It doesn't seem like it's an argument that is likely to get people to calm down.  But even beyond the rather grim and counter-productive premise, what exactly is the point he's trying to make?  Surely he's aware of the long list of horrific human rights abuses that the United States has overlooked or even supported over the years; does that preempt the right of the United States to object to future injustices?  I'm sure the country would be interested to know if that's the case.  Or is this simply a "do as I say, not as I do" situation?  That's a condescending claim to the unilateral right to behave and dictate behavior on a whim, which again isn't likely to be particularly productive.  The idea that the United States is and has for decades been saving the rest of the world from itself is exactly the brand of arrogance that breeds such animosity all over the globe.

Lantos has not yet commented on the flap, but he may want to.  He's a powerful voice on foreign policy in this government and comments like this matter in a big way.  There are a number of ways that the language can be parsed and a number of ways that intent could be guessed at, but without clarification, this plays as a serious smackdown to the international community and Europe in particular.  The air of unfounded righteous indignation is not productive, and particularly puzzling from a tactical perspective given his comments over the past several weeks regarding Armenian genocide.  Just three weeks ago, he spoke out on the moral and strategic issues involved, saying,

One of the problems we have diplomatically globally is that we have lost our moral authority which we used to have in great abundance...People around the globe who are familiar with these events will appreciate the fact that the United States is speaking out against a historic injustice. This would be like sweeping slavery under the rug and saying slavery never occurred.

I'm not interested in hyperbole comparing Guantanamo to slavery, Armenian genocide, the Holocaust or anything else.  But moral authority doesn't come from condemning the historic injustices.  It comes from behaving morally.  I hope Mr. Lantos will take a step back, sort through all of this, and better organize these thoughts.

I think it's also interesting to note, while we're on the subject, that the right-wing blogosphere has been so excited to trumpet a member of the United States government comparing Guantanamo to a concentration camp.  They seem to have been blinded by the tough tone and "we'll do whatever we want" attitude of the comments and didn't bother (shockingly) to consider what was actually said.  So the one silver lining, perhaps, to be drawn from this is that the premise has shifted.

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When do we get Rep. Speier already? (8.00 / 3)
Seriously, she rocks. Why isn't she in some office right now?

Shouldn't 3 strikes apply to Arnold? Strike 1, Strike 2, Strike 3. Life Sentence!

This is just appalling (8.00 / 2)
from Lantos.

And yes Speier as a replacement sounds wonderful to me.  Where is her press release on this one?  She could pull a lot from your great post Lucas.


Press Release (0.00 / 0)
That'd pretty much declare her intentions wouldn't it?

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK

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The Ongoing Embarrassment to CA-12 (8.00 / 1)

Europe was not as outraged by Auschwitz as by Guantanamo Bay.

Thankfully, we know about the existence of Guantanamo Bay now and don't have to wait until it is liberated to understand what a miscarriage of justice it is.  I wish that Tom Lantos could have remembered the Holocaust and applauded these Europeans' concern for human dignity and the rule of law rather than deriding it.

Furthermore, Lantos's comment that "You have to help us, because if it was not for us you would now be a province of Nazi Germany" besides being insulting is wrong-headed.  You don't help an alcoholic by giving him a drink when he asks for one.  The Bush administration is that alcoholic when it comes to foreign policy.  At some point, some of these countries are going to have to stop being enablers and start an intervention.

I wish Jackie Speier would step up and run for this seat.  Tom Lantos has been out of touch in Washington for so long that she could give him a good run for his money, particularly in a Democratic primary.


Guantanamo (0.00 / 0)
It was reported last week in DutchNews.nl that the Netherlands had been requested to take some Guantanamo detainees.... by the way the Dutch helped in our revolution by providing gold bouillon to back the continental congress currency. Adams used the Dutch constitution as a model for the United States.

Also interesting to note (0.00 / 0)
The Netherlands surrendered to Germany May 14, 1940.

Auschwitz I was founded on May 20, 1940.

I'm not sure what sort of outrage Lantos would have liked to see from within the German Empire.

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK


Yep (8.00 / 1)
Thank god children don't read The Diary of Anne Frank otherwise they might learn average, everyday Europeans risked their lives to save Jewish children.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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in a nutshell (8.00 / 1)
lantos cares about man's inhumanity to man as long as the victims are jews. but when it's arabs getting tortured, he's outraged at the outrage. for shame.

such a mindset utterly cheapens the horror of the holocaust, because it learns the wrong lesson from it, that massacring jews is an atrocity, when in fact the lesson that should be learned is that any nation is capable of such evil, no matter its pretensions of civilization, science, emergency or moral rightness, and that an atrocity done to anyone, anywhere, is in effect a crime against us all, as human beings.

to condone the use of the same methods of torture in guantanamo that the nazis used is especially abhorrant.

lantos has squandered whatever moral authority he once had. i wish someone would primary the guy so he could retire to AIPAC lobby-dom.

surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat


Thanks for the heads up (8.00 / 2)
I am outraged at this behavior, I hope Jackie runs...

I wrote a letter to SMD Journal and will send in to others.

It is below, enjoy

Dear Editor,

I am shocked to learn that Rep. Tom Lantos told a group of Dutch legislators who saw him in D.C. that "Europe was not as outraged by Auschwitz as by Guantanamo Bay" when the group questioned keeping Guantanamo open. First, how come a man with a background like Lantos support a place that circumvents the rule of law and keeps detainees in lock down without a trial. Many of the people in Guantanamo Bay are held without charges, some are innocent, and it represents the worst of American policy. It is a stain on our country to support policies that go against our Constitution. Lantos needs to check his facts and shame on him for trying to question the loyalty of our friends in Europe (and those in the U.S. who support the closing of Guantanamo). It is time for new leadership in CD-12 and Lantos has had more than his fair share at attempting to represent this district. He voted to support the Iraq War and now he supports a foolish and dangerous policy in Guantanamo.

Scott Alonso
San Carlos
University of Hawaii at Manoa, senior

"Question Everything"


Everything I learned at the U of Judaism (8.00 / 1)
taught me that it's a Jew's job to prevent torture, among 600+ other ethical imperatives.  That Lantos could defend our policies at Guantanamo just breaks my heart.


Disclosing affiliations: Union staff, former staff for Manuel Perez (stepped outside upon union affiliation), elected DSCC delegate for 80th AD, board of Democrats of the Desert and of Desert Chapter ACLU.  

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