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Will Redistricting Reform Cost Democrats the State Legislature?

by: Robert in Monterey

Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 17:20:48 PM PDT


In previous articles I have argued that the push for redistricting reform is primarily an effort by Republicans to game the system to artificially produce legislative parity that they cannot convince voters to give them. As voter registration numbers show a increasingly Democratic electorate Republicans are under even more pressure to try and stave off electoral oblivion.

But what would the actual impact of the proposed reforms be? Over at the California Progress Report, Bill Cavala argues it might cost Democrats 7 to 10 Assembly seats - enough to produce a divided chamber. Cavala knows redistricting - serving on Speaker Willie Brown's staff will have that effect - and so his projections should be taken seriously.

There seem to be be two major factors guiding Cavala's projections. The first is Section 5 (listed as Title V in Cavala's article) of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which mandates DOJ "preclearance" of any electoral change that might affect protected groups. Although few Californians realize this, Section 5 provisions apply to several California counties: Kings, Merced, Monterey, and Yuba. This must be kept in mind when redistricting the legislature.

The second factor is the proposed initiative's goal of having as few districts as possible cross county lines. While this might sound like a good idea, in fact it is grossly ignorant of California urban geography. County lines in our state have not changed since the 19th century, and development and economic patterns have typically not reflected county boundaries. Western Contra Costa and Western Alameda Counties (the I-880/I-80 corridor) have much more in common with each other than the areas on the other side of the hills in the same county; or parts of northern Orange County that are more like LA County in demography and economy than they are like southern Orange County.

With those factors in mind, Cavala predicts the following districts will shift from a Democratic majority to a Republican majority: AD 1, AD 17, AD 27 (by splitting Santa Cruz and Monterey, a natural pairing, and attaching Monterey to the far-distant San Luis Obispo), AD 30, AD 31, AD 53, and AD 61. The seats Cavala predicts would become marginal are AD 35, AD 62, and AD 78. His conclusion:

Assuming the Contra Costa based AD 15 remained a marginal (albeit Republican held seat), Democrats would have to win three of the four 'competitive' seats to retain a one-vote majority in the Assembly.

(And, note that there are 6 competitive or marginal seats in the plan drawn by the Legislature: AD 15, 17, 30, 31, 78, 80 and only four likely to be produced by any commission)

In short, the rules that the redistricting commission would use, combined with the Voting Rights Act, would eliminate the Democratic majority in the Assembly. It is hard to believe this is not the intent of the measure. Arnold has always wished to have a smaller Democratic majority and a greater Republican role in Sacramento. If they can't produce it at the ballot box, then why not produce it in a redistricting commission where the GOP has an artificial and undeserved parity of representation?

The redistricting proposal is a "steal the state" plan not unlike the presidential electors scheme floated by Republicans last year, a California knockoff of the Tom DeLay redistricting of Texas that decimated Texas Congressional Democrats. Californians should reject this as the partisan power grab that it so nakedly and obviously is.

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I think Cavala's being extremely skittish (0.00 / 0)
you can redistrict all you want but you can't change basic reality - Republicans are loathed in California and so are their ideas.  The most recent registration numbers reflect this.  All of the rise in DTS voters is coming out of the hide of Republicans while Democrats increase their majority.  Cavala lives in a world where cutting boundaries somehow chooses legislators.  We actually don't live in that world anymore.  I don't disagree that any redistricting should protect the Voting Rights Act and areas of geographical and "cultural" (for lack of a better word) similarity, but I've long been of the opinion that redistricting doesn't matter nearly as much in a partisan sense as it does in a sense of incumbency protection.  A gerrymandered seat is simply harder to campaign in and so established incumbents find themselves with an easier time of things.  Cavala comes out of a culture of incumbency protection and so his alarmist views should be viewed with a fair degree of skepticism.

Also it should be noted that Texas' "steal the state" program didn't totally work and is actually crumbling in the face of demographic shifts and Latino voter turnout increases.  They expected as many as 7 seats to change and I think they're down to 3, with DeLay even losing his own seat.  Plus our Democratic challenger who reeled in the most money in Q1 is out in Houston.  I'm not saying that redistricting doesn't totally matter, but discrediting Republican ideas would go a FAR longer way to cementing the majority than fretting about where the lines are drawn.


Gerrymandering must stop (0.00 / 0)
If a group, independent of the legislature, redistricts California under what scenario does a party with less than 1/3 registration win a majority?

I don't view this as a Republican/Democrat issue but a democracy issue.  The current legislative apportionment which was blessed by Republican and Democratic legislatures served only to protect Republican and Democratic Legislators.

This kind of BS has got to stop.  Why are these people afraid of competitive elections?  Republicans can win elections as long as they are held in the 1950s.


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What I find so interesting (8.00 / 1)
About Cavala's projections is how they suggest that the rules of the proposed reform would produce a significant Republican advantage over what they have today. For example, Republicans would have a disproportionately large representation on the redistricting commission - doesn't that seem anti-democratic to you?

An argument can be made that the current redistricting system is perfectly democratic - legislators elected by the voters draw the districts, instead of unelected commissioners. If the voters don't like the system they can toss the legislators.

I'm not particularly afraid of competitive elections. But I also am not interested in having to play along with a Republican scheme to improve their fortunes at our expense.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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Conflict of Interest (0.00 / 0)
We don't allow city council members to vote on land use decisions that effect them personally because they have a conflict of interest.  They are elected to make decisions for the good of the community and cannot be expected to make clear-headed decisions on property that they own.

Legislative reapportionment is essentially the same thing.  All of the legislators have a strong interest in maintaining or improving their districts.  Just as city council members are prevented from voting on issues where they have a strong personal interest with could conflict with the interests of the larger community, legislators should not vote on reapportionment.

We could throw out conflict of interest laws for local government and let voters deal with the issue on election day.  But I would rather clear all issues from legislative agendas that might be clouded by personal interest.


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Do they? (0.00 / 0)
Doesn't the existence of term limits sort of negate that theory? NONE of the legislators who approved the 2001 redistricting plan will be in their same seats to vote on the 2011 plan, and many have in fact left the Legislature entirely. They got maybe a couple years' use out of the plan but that was all.

So I'm not really seeing the link here.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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The link is obvious (0.00 / 0)
You are a legislator.  You have two reapportionment plans in front of you.  One will require you to work hard, raise money, walk precincts and (after all that) possibly lose.  The other plan will essentially assure your victory.  Possibly without any opposition at all.

Are you telling me that a legislator's personal interests play NO role in their decision?  I think we have enough experience with gerrymandering throughout the nation to know that legislators are humans and they see competitive elections as theoretically desirable in every district except their own.  Or their friend's district.  Or a party member's district.


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I am sympathetic to both these arguments (0.00 / 0)
I look at Washington State, which has had redistricting by independent commission since 1983, and see that today the Democrats have 2/3 in both houses. Of course, it took over 20 years to produce that majority (it only came in 2006) but I am not concerned that redistricting would provide a long-term advantage to Republicans.

What does worry me is that it could provide a short-term advantage. I reposted Cavala's projections here because I found it interesting that when someone looked at the proposal and gamed out how it would effect the Assembly, we went from having a possible shot at 2/3 to having to fight to defend a simple majority. The continuing extremism of the Yacht Party might well make that defense much easier - but as I said above, I'm not interested in having to play along with a Republican scheme to improve their electoral chances.

The redistricting proposal has some major flaws and while I think we're going to have to, at some point, find some reform that we can get behind, this one isn't it. Even ensuring that the commission has a representation proportional to the voter registration stats in the state would be better than this attempt to impose an unwanted bipartisanship on us.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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Gerrymandering Sucks (0.00 / 0)
Look at the map of Congressional District 11 some time.  It is a text book case of the attempt to gerrymander a safe Republican District, now held by Democrat Jerry McNerney.  The two most interesting aspects are the fact that it includes Morgan Hill from Santa Clara County (more on this below) and the way in which a thin strip of potentially Democratic Voters in the South Side of Stockton is included in the 18th CD (Cardoza).  

Morgan Hill and Gilroy are the two population clusters in the South end of the Santa Clara Valley.  They have much in common but share only their County Supervisor District.  Morgan Hill is included in an Assembly District with Santa Cruz, in State Senate District with Santa Maria and in the aforementioned 11th CD with Stockton.  As a result, our votes mean almost nothing in any of those elections.

So, some sort of redistricting is needed. They only question is the one of how we should not allow the politicians to game the system, and they do, every single time.  No politician goes near redistricting for any other reason than to gain political advantage.  When you hear a politician talk about the need for redistricting, be careful. Be very, very careful.  But, it still needs to be done.  


people need to stop assuming stasis (0.00 / 0)
Everyone is worried sick about the gerrymander when the 11th, for example, flipped to blue because of an overwhelming demographic shift.  In other words people moved and gerrymandered the gerrymander, so to speak.  If "our votes" meant nothing in the 11th we wouldn't have flipped the seat.

Everyone worried about this redistrict thing is doing it based on 2000-era data when we're in 2008.  In short there's no data you can reasonably point do with any degree of certainty to scare me about the prospect of any redistricting because it's all out of date.  Furthermore, to Robert's point that there would be a short-term problem, any redistricting wouldn't be able to take place until 2012.  That's two elections where we can get the governor's mansion and a 2/3 majority and eliminate the 2/3 requirement once and for all.

People aren't tied to party registration based on where they live.  Democrats spend too much time playing pundit and not nearly enough time trying to change minds.


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Then again ... (0.00 / 0)
we can propose an initiative to redraw the county lines :-)

But it is best to defeat this at the polls because "independent" commisisons aren't.  



A couple of points. (0.00 / 0)
First, a nonpartisan commission doesn't have to do their job in a bad way, but in many cases in other jurisdictions they have which should be a concern for any Democrat because we currently are doing well in our percentage of legislative seats.

The way you accomplish a gerrymander is to pack members of the same party into a small number of districts while keeping a slight (but safe) majority of the favored party in a majority of districts.  Republicans have proven to be past masters of the practice.

For example in much of the South, they used voting rights necessities to pack minorities into overwhelmingly safe Democratic districts and then divided everything else in what they claimed was a fair manner.  Well, what happened was that Democrats everywhere outside of minority districts could no longer win seats at all and Republicans took over legislatures in numerous southern states.  This even happened in a couple of commission states because they commissioners decided that they shouldn't consider party registration at all in designing districts.  

They have made similar moves in commission states by abusing the concept of keeping cities and counties together.  What happens is that Democrats often have big majorities in major metropolitan cities while outlying areas tend to be Republican.  By overprotecting the sanctity of city and county lines, they pack democrats in major cities into fewer districts while Republicans in outlying smaller cities and counties wind up getting more seats than they are proportionally entitled to.

If you look at commissions on reapportionment, they have traditionally favored conservatives (This has also been true in european parliamentary systems where they generally have a commission, but require legislative approval of lines).  A lot of times it's not as noticeable, but the impact is still huge.  For example, in Arizona, most Democratic strategists were expecting the state to become a Democratic bulwark as more latino's registered and Native American's started voting Democratic in overwhelming numbers.  Instead, the Democratic drive has frozen and the state has remained roughly split evenly between the two parties, even though every poll of Arizona residents show that they overwhelmingly prefer the Democratic side of the issues.  But with their gerrymandered districts, conservatives have been able to slow things down by making registration tougher, passing voter ID laws and cracking down on illegals, all of which has hurt Democrats.

I am off on a tangent, but I think any person who really studies this issue will realize that a commission will hurt Democrats in California.  More to the point, I would also argue that having the legislature handle the problem is not unfair.  A plan has to pass both houses and get signed by the Governor which means there is a lot of room for compromise and tends to lead to a generally fair plan.  If it is out of line with any of the myriad of regulations that governs conduct, then the courts can step in.  The system isn't perfect, and protecting incumbents like what happened last time isn't to be desired by anyone, but you can't take the politics out of politics and the idea that some commission of uninterested and unbiased "Judges" can do better is just kidding yourself and letting yourself get used by big moneyed interests who want the system to work in their favor.


Perhaps you are right... (0.00 / 0)
I imagine you are right that an independent commission that creates a more rational reapportionment plan will result in more Republican legislative victories.

However, I think that more competitive elections will strengthen the Democratic Party in ways that cannot be measured at the ballot box.

Trust democracy.


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Redistricting (0.00 / 0)
Just because the system now is less than optimal doesn;t mean that you go for the first"bipartisan"plan out of the box. I agree with those who say that Cavala is a little on the doomsday side but on the other hand the Reps are actually on the ropes right now and will do anything to change that including grasping at straws. There is also some kind of myth that the present system produces extremists- may have some validity on the rep side where ideologues put their money where their mouth is - but Demo contest go to the best funded which is usually the most "business friendly". The real problem with reapportionment/redistricting is not who the commission is but who the consultant is who is actually crunching the numbers and making the map. It is no doubt that an Arnold Commission would hire an Arnold consultant who would be bad for Dems. The real solution would be to have the process handled by the elected Sec of State with input from elected County Clerks using School District boundaries whenever possible. The actual maps could be drawn by a committee of tenured UC and CSU Geography Profs. A further provision might require all county elections officers to be elected. Thats real reform not smoke and mirrors.

First out of the box? (0.00 / 0)
I think this is # 8 or 9.  I have lost count.

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Another view (0.00 / 0)
It isn't sufficient to look only at Democratic seats that might swing more Republican - you also have to look at Republican seats that could become more Democratic.  The goal here is not to protect every incumbent (that's what our current system does) but to make possible a net gain for Democrats.  If we end up losing some Democratic seats but gain more Democrats overall, that's a trade-off I'm happy to make.

Check out this page for evidence that redistricting could actually benefit Democrats.  It's a study by Claremont McKenna College that concluded an independent redistricting in California would likely increase the number of competitive Congressional and Legislative seats, effecting the two parties in equal numbers.  That means if we work harder than they do (and this year the state GOP is broke) we win big.

Our current safe seats are simply an insurance policy for Republicans against Democratic gains.  Personally I'm willing to fight hard for any newly created competitive seats to make sure they swing our way.


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