El Gran Carryover

2:31 pm: Eight minutes to post for race four, first leg of the pick-six with a $1,186,625 carryover from Belmont Stakes Day courtesy of Da' Tara.

My tickets are in, a little under $2k worth, on what I found to be a skullbuster of a card, one better suited to some $1 pick-3 and pick-4 plays trying to catch bombs in one tough race after another than to nailing six in a row. The sheer size of the pool compels me to play anyway and take my best shot, just in case it's easier than it looks. A caveman ticket using all my A's B's and C's would have run a little more than $46k, so I mixed and matched on seven tickets -- an $1152 main and six smaller single-backup tickets.

Ninety percent of my play involves one of the two favorites winning the first leg. Here's hoping, and good luck to all.

2:50 pm: Second choice My Dinah($6.90) kept the whole world alive for at least one leg, running down 7-5 Love Co in upper stretch and drawing away from 33-1 Aly's Colors. Love Co blazed the first quarter in a crazy 22.52 under Prado, opening a six-length lead that dissipated quickly around the turn, and the final quarter of the race was run in 29.09 (that's not a typo) for a mile in 1:41.57. My Dinah, a half-sister to turf stakes-winner Them There Eyes, is now 3-for-4 on dirt, 0-for-3 on grass.

NYRA's announcing a gross pool of $4.4 million, meaning we all put in about $3.2 million today. Guess the Belmont didn't sour everyone on the game.

3:30 pm: Youbethecan ($21.00), trained by some guy named Rick Dutrow, blew past the field through the stretch to win Leg 2 as the 5th choice in a field of 12. Good news: I used him. Bad news: Only as a "C," so I'm down to one live ticket that singles favorite Dancing Tin Man in the next leg: 8/4,5,9/5,7,8,9/7,8.

Youbethecan ran a dull 5th as the 2-1 favorite in the April 23 version of this $35k N2L grass claimer, then was freshened up by Dutrow during the three editions of the race during May that produced most of the rest of this field. I know the horse's name is pronounced "You Bet He Can" but for some reason I always read it as "You Be The Can."

Let's go Dancing Tin Man.

3:59 pm: Can you say Three Million Dollar Carryover? We could all be saying that in about an hour and a half, after Willsboro Point won Leg 3 at $47.80 , completing a $1937 pick-3 for the first half of the pick-six.

Willsboro Point was hard to like unless you favor pedigree over past performance. He might have been the best-bred colt in the field, out of the multiple turf stakes-winner Petrouchka, but he was coming out of a very slow and slow-paced front-running victory against weaker, where he was claimed by Scott Schwartz from Roy Lerman. That was the race much of the field in the 5th race was coming out of, and all of them ran poorly.

I have no idea why Dancing Tin Man was dead last and in a race of his own far behind all nine of his opponents. Belatedly cut loose, he was running over horses but managed only to get fourth. Oh well.

4:30 pm: Myakka dimmed hopes for a Gargantuan double-carryover py proving best as the 8-5 favorite in Leg 4, surviving an early mild (45.12) duel with Classic Love before pulling away to win this statebred turf sprint in 1:08.86. Second to Lost Without You in her turf debut in the May 26 version of this race, Myakka looked best on paper but I couldn't emphasize her more strongly because it looked like there were six one-way speeds in the race and thus a potential meltdown.

I know the parlay's under $5k through four legs but Willsboro Point was so tough that I still think we could have a carry if anything goofy happens in the last two legs.

Let's go goofy!

5:02 pm: Pennington was insufficiently goofy at $9.20, so eight of the nine horses are covered in the finale. Unless you're alive for something you're probably rooting for #4, Say Karakorm Sandy, the only one who can deliver a $3 million carry. The will-pays, posted above, range from 29 live tickets to favored Ten Forty to just two at $1.49 million to Mackinaw. I guess I'm rooting for either a carryover with SKS or one stinking conso with either Newmont or Estimator, which might get me my money back if they pay around half a percent of the $499.405 or $334,050 top prizes.

5:28 pm: Ten Forty, whose charms I clearly did not appreciate since he was only a "B" in my book, galloped at 4-5 in the finale to enrich 29 sages to the tune of $103,754 apiece. No conso, no carryover, but just wait until next time.

Posted by Steven Crist Jun 11, 2008 2:31:05 PM | Permalink

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upstatejoe says:

Steve,

Thanks for doing another play by play, I think they are great. I thought the Pick 6 was crazy hard so I only sent in a minnow.

Good Luck,

Upstate Joe

Posted by UpstateJoe Jun 11, 2008 2:46:12 PM

virgin_queen says:

steve,
gl...

Posted by Virgin_Queen Jun 11, 2008 2:49:04 PM

clinton says:

didn't see you with love co so probably won't matter to you much but it just drives me crazy when a jock with lone speed goes out and runs an absolutely foolish open and burn his chances in the end. I've got no dog in this fight(the pk 6) but you hope for a competent ride no matter what when you put down your 2 bucks.

On a separate issue, how does these last two mile races get rated? Clearly the 2nd race had quicker fractions but they absolutely crawled home in 28 plus seconds. Will the speed figures reflect that races seem to be over a "slow" track?

Posted by Clinton Jun 11, 2008 2:53:45 PM

oldeschool02134 says:

Mr. Crist,

I'm giving up my lurker status to wish you good luck. You're playing for all of us out here who don't have the wherewithal or the guts . . . or the smarts . . . to do what you do.

Keep on truckin'.

Posted by OldeSchool02134 Jun 11, 2008 3:12:16 PM

mediwoman says:

Mr. Crist...if anyone can do it YOU CAN!.....cheering you home all the way ^_^. I'm going for 5of6 now because I tried to be cute and singled 0_0 in the first leg.

Posted by Mediwoman Jun 11, 2008 3:29:00 PM

nick_briglia says:

I'm going to assume that Love Co was unrateable and that Prado isn't that dumb. Otherwise, he could have waltzed around the track as the only speed and won for fun.

I didn't pick youbethecan but he was the horse off his races last year. He ran with Equitable and Stalingrad and won a nice grass race. Who knows why he ran so poorly in his two races this year. I guess the freshening did the job.

Posted by Nick Briglia Jun 11, 2008 3:37:46 PM

jd says:

All 3 tickets from the TwinSpires players pool are now dead after leg 3. Sure glad I bought in...I got off cheap.

Posted by JD Jun 11, 2008 3:50:54 PM

clinton says:

Tin Man shook loose way too late to keep you alive. Just watching the race this horse looked like an absolute beast getting the trip in behind the 1 horse and when he found daylight just blew the field away. I would suspect that he took quite a bit of players with him and the back to back combo knocked out a great deal of bounty hunters.

Posted by clinton Jun 11, 2008 3:58:28 PM

crich says:

Was gonna root you home but since the 6 ended that party, lets get 3 more 20+ to 1 shots and have a monster pot for Thursday.

Posted by C.Rich Jun 11, 2008 4:05:12 PM

bob_m says:

i am alive for 5 of 6 on 2 separate tickets , however both ended up having just the 7/8 and the 10 left for the last 2 races.. at least i will have 5 of 6 twice if it hits..

i did like the dutrow 7 horse at 9-1 and also singled the 2 in the first leg.. spent only $208 and would never have used willsboro so all in all not too bad...

i wish i had the 1 in the last race, he was my last toss and could mean the difference in getting 5 of 6.

Posted by bob m. Jun 11, 2008 4:27:07 PM

clinton says:

Linda Rice just owns the turf sprint on the NYRA circuit. Though we had two generous payouts, Her's may have been a strong choice in the pk 6 to keep many of the remaining tickets alive. But I'm rooting like heck for another carryover.

Posted by clinton Jun 11, 2008 4:28:37 PM

don_reed says:

Oh, well, as Maxwell Smart would say, "would you believe a THREE-million dollar carryover?"

Last - hopefully - thoughts on The Big Brown Out.

In the flurry of initial reactions to the event, "Babes" sent in a great comic take-off of Dutrow - who uses the word "babes" in every sentence - with the fictional Dutrow explaining how, if you nob the Belmont Stakes favorite & box the remaining horses, you can't fail to make a profit.

Although it is almost impossible to believe that Dutrow & Company would have actually done this, the revelations in the past four weeks about IEAH's Iavarone's previous transgressions - & Dutrow's mouth and his past record of numerous suspensions - has made it impossible to consider this possibility as an impossibility.

* * * * *

A day after the water pressure dropped and the blood pressures soared, I looked at the racing bulletin board, at a photo I'd almost forgotten was was there.

It's Calvin Borel, holding his helmet in the air with both hands, saluting the fans and crying with joy, after coming back to the grandstands having just won the 2007 Kentucky Derby. If I'm not mistaken, it was only his 2nd Grade One victory in a riding career in a quarter- century. Everyone was no-holds-barred, wildly ecstatic that he had finally made it.

A year later, that joy has been replaced by suspicion, blame, antagonism, paranoia, and self-indulgent (& self-interested) criticisms - just about every ugly, disagreeable mood, sound and sensation imaginable.

I hope we never, EVER have another Triple Crown like the one witnessed in 2008.

Posted by Don Reed Jun 11, 2008 4:29:24 PM

stu says:

Steve-

Don't feel too bad! You'll get another crack at this thing on Thursday. The obvious single on the card just got nailed. With two turf sprints people had to put a single on their ticket. I bet 90-95% of the tickets are already dead. Looks like I'll be drinking a lot of coffee tonight!

Posted by Stu Jun 11, 2008 4:36:34 PM

pp says:

Anybody with an inkling of pedigree knowledge knew that Petrouchka loved the lawn....

Race 6: Check Willsboro Point's breeding line. It says the doctors names "& The Tho"...is that short for The Thoroughbred Corporation, of the late Prince Ahmed Salman's former powerhouse stable? His dam was a graded stakes winner in Canada and believe this one will excel on turf. He was beat by a huge longshot on a loose lead at Tampa on 13Apr, and he himself got an easy lead last out. Figures to get a similar trip today with many late-running types.

Race 7: With Zip by You and Myakka in the race, this turf sprint is guaranteed a hot pace. In fact, what other options does Cornelio have but to send this confirmed speedball out of the gate? She scorched 'em at Saratoga and goes just as fast on the lawn. Chop Chop takes over Mia (note maiden near-win) and just has to sit back and make one run. Needed the race back and 2nd off layoff means if Leah has her ready, this one could knock a lot of p6 players out...needs a clean run. Huge price for the win, but a must-use in exotics...

Posted by PP Jun 10, 2008 7:45:07 PM

Posted by PP Jun 11, 2008 4:43:36 PM

scott says:

I'm alive for five, but I was 3-for-3 before the 7th, in which I singled La Ransom.

Losing to the fave in the 7th essentially nullified what turned out to be a good inclusion of Wilsboro Point in the 6th, as far as a potential 5/6 conso is concerned.

Whatever, I'm alive for five to 4,6,8 w/ 5,10

Posted by Scott Jun 11, 2008 4:46:24 PM

byanose says:

I have a late pick 3, 9/5/all--so now lets get something goofy!!

Posted by Byanose Jun 11, 2008 4:53:08 PM

byanose says:

looks like someone is live to all runners in the 9th except the 4. Lets go 4!!

Posted by Byanose Jun 11, 2008 4:59:26 PM

clinton says:

Only 1 "dead" ticket to ensure the pk 6 carries over to Thursday. Everyone root like heck for the 4 horse.

Posted by clinton Jun 11, 2008 5:00:30 PM

tom_h says:

I am alive in the Pick 4 with the 5 and 10. I chickened out on my caveman pick-6 ($2400) otherwise I would be alive in the Pick 6 with the 5 and 10 as well.

Posted by Tom H Jun 11, 2008 5:08:11 PM

kchris says:

Steve,
Played an $8 "minnow" ticket today in the p-6 and hit 5 of 6: 2 / 7 / 2,8 / 9 / 1,5 / 10. Wish the consos had paid more, but I'll live with the $511 return.

Posted by kchris Jun 11, 2008 5:31:45 PM

ross_b says:

Steve, great play-by-play. Very enjoyable to follow along during the day. Thanks to online wagering, my friend and I sent out a small chaser. We were done by the third leg, but what fun! Love your blog.

Posted by Ross B Jun 11, 2008 5:32:07 PM

tom_h says:

Well, I hit my Pick 4...but I have a bitter taste in my mouth knowing the Pick 6 was mine but I chickened out in the end. Oh well, such as life...

Posted by Tom H Jun 11, 2008 5:47:00 PM

mudhoundmojo says:

BPM,

The "media" that you mention is not the mainstream "media", just the horse racing media. The horse racing media is so small a fraction of the overall "media", that drug use in horse racing, is still under the radar as far as the main stream media is concerned. I do, however, think the Belmont went a little ways towards the heavy drug usage of these horses ( ilegal and legal ) being leaked into the mainstream press. Just my observation.

I also agree that if the mainstream media ( or even the mainstream SPORTS media ) gave a rats, you know what, about horse racing, they would be all over this disgusting situation that we have in horse racing with drugs and performance enhancers.

You are right in that the horse racing media does very little to get the message out. One might think, the reporters that cover this wonderful sport and who cared about its well being, would do what is right. If they made enough noise, eventually, someone in the "main" would attack this story. It would probably hurt the reputation of horse racing ( which was funny just writing that, as we all know the "rep" horse racing has ) but, in the long run would go 10 fold towards making our beloved sport "mainstream" ( just think of the fans that could be brought into this sport if it was like it once was).

If horses ran 3 or 4 years ( through their 5 and 6 year old season ) or more, the rivalries would be tremendous. Old and new fans alike would have a chance to "grab" hold of a horse through a career of 20+ races. Horses that you can "fall" for and watch through several seasons of racing, are what draws new fans and keeps the old ones from leaving. As one of your favs is retiring, you have 6 or 8 more underneath, that you have been following ( a continuous cycle of "crush" horses).

Instead, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place (wanting to "fall" for these great warriors ), but holding our collective breaths after every Breeders Cup, waiting for the hammer to fall on all the "stars" of the season that will be heading off for the breeding shed. As it is now, a trainer ( not all, but enough ) can "milk" a very talented, but unsound, horse through a season of spectacular victories. Then, it is off too the breeders shed to dilute the breed even more ( just too damn lucrative ). Thanks, but, no thanks, it is a putrid practice.

If it took 10 years to get this breed on the right track back to being even close, to what it once was, ( if everyone started doing the right thing now ) we'd be lucky. I'm afraid the evolution is already to far gone for any reasonable change too be seen in my life time. That saddens me deeply.

It is my firm belief that the drug infested industry has plaqued our breeding sheds for far too many years and it is a main factor for where the breed is today ( of course their are many factors that have caused, in my estimation, an inferior breed to what our grandfathers produced).

With the way our country is fed up with steroids and HGH in our pro athletes ( I think if the right reporter really went after this story and got it to the mainstream press ), a few sparks could get a fire going. We got one good spark from the Belmont and the publicity it garnered nationally. Now it is up to someone with some clout ( or a few ) to take the ball and run with it.

Strike while the iron is hot. Now!

Posted by MudhoundMojo Jun 11, 2008 5:47:37 PM

george_quinn says:

pick 6 is not my game, tough enough to pick 1. Impossible is the word that comes to mind.
George in Lexington Ky.

Posted by george quinn Jun 11, 2008 6:58:42 PM

ludwig says:

Drugs ? Those 11 o'clock Channel 7 News guys seem to have Horses confused with Baseball and Football players. Steriods and all.
...
As for this pick 6 I had 4 on one ticket for $2. (1-7-11-9-7-10) which is the best I have ever done....
Maybe next time.

Posted by Ludwig Jun 11, 2008 7:44:59 PM

beerbelly says:

Whatever happened to open allowance races on the turf at Belmont at non-sprint distances? Looking at the races for Thursday & Friday there's not one.
Are all the turf horses running somewhere else?
Recommended reading:
Your Money & Your Brain by Jason Zweig.
It's about the emerging science of nueroeconomics and is written for Wall Street speculators.
It will make ANY horseplayer who reads it a better investor.

Posted by beerbelly Jun 11, 2008 9:25:02 PM

kevroc says:

OTB is shutting down and I have $200 left in my phone account.

Gonna try to make my last OTB wager a memorble one and play the late pick four Friday night @ Hollywood. (just love watching those races live at night when the kids are asleep!)

Farewell OTB, I'll always remember being a 16 year old newbie betting $2 doubles "E with A, B, F"

Remember those days?

Posted by kevroc Jun 12, 2008 12:41:51 AM

las_vegas says:

Steve, if you played your $46K caveman, would've you hit it?

Posted by Las Vegas Jun 12, 2008 1:53:54 AM

steven_crist says:

las_vegas,

Nope. I could have put in $100k and not used Willsboro Point. I'm impressed that 29 people did.

Posted by Steven_Crist Jun 12, 2008 2:03:30 AM

don_reed says:

Good bye, NYCOTB. Won't miss ya one bit.

You had one shot at doing it right, and what we ended up with was a dump in the garment district.

Joe Horn & family gets the Medal of Honor for the good food and for putting up with some very crazy, crazy customers.

God bless, Joe, and hope Ireland is the golden land of retirement.

Posted by Don Reed Jun 12, 2008 2:39:35 AM

aaron_biederman says:

For those who aren't aware, the Twin Spires players pool went with a caveman ticket (5x7x4x7x8x3) to the tune of $47k and a couple smaller backups to even the bets out at $50k. I got a cheap thrill for my $40 contribution (the total cashed was barely $1000 for the 4 consols.), but jeez, Steve, I wish the Brisnet Boys would incorporate more of your style on Pick 6's. I'd rather see the $50k spread out onto 10-20 different tickets while keying on a couple "A's and B's" throughout. I've never had a bankroll to play Pick 6's, but I've hit most of my signers in Pick 4's and Pick 3's by spreading out my bets more using the key system rather than caveman plays.

Posted by aaron biederman Jun 12, 2008 3:39:21 AM

don_reed says:

That OTB "number-letter" betting system quip reminded me of Goodfellows, one door down from Sing Sing South - the old 53rd Street & 2nd Avenue OTB branch -now, all gone, replaced by yuppie-booze-bar bricks & mortar.

GF was a bar & restaurant. And of course, its proximity to the filthy, Formica & plexiglass jungle next door attracted its bettors as customers.

One night in the late 80s, a man came in who, @ 15 year earlier, had moved out to California. Fortunately, some of his old friends were there that night, so he felt right at home, again.

Someone came in from next door & slammed his bet book down, hard, on the bar.

"Norrie! I asked that damn clerk to give me a front-&-backwheel on the 'B' - not the 'C' - horse! And then the 'B' won! "

The Californian stared at him in near-absolute horror.

"They STILL have that INSANE number-letter system?!?!?!"

Posted by Don Reed Jun 12, 2008 4:01:40 AM

kwiley says:

Twinspires players pool had a 47,000 dollar ticket and didn't use Willsboro Point.

Posted by KWiley Jun 12, 2008 7:12:50 AM

bochalls says:

Thank you George in Lexington for NOT playing the P6. It's a sucker bet unless you have at least $300 to spend DAILY while chasing this thing...and you will chase it. TVG especially promos the P6 as if everyone should be investing...bad advice! The best way to run new folks out of the game is to get them playing the P6. It is a veteran player/big bankroll type of bet and for TVG to exhaustingly feed this to us is a disservice. By the way, Keeneland is heaven. That is where all beginners should go to get a proper intro to our game. Don't miss out on Beneath The Crown who runs Friday in R7 at Bel, especially if Ballston runs today and scratches out of that race tomorrow.

Posted by Bochalls Jun 12, 2008 9:57:56 AM

l_keller says:

Kevroc:
OTB isn't going to close.NYCOTB will become NYSOTB.
You'll be able to accumulate some more "fond" memories over the next few years!!

Posted by L Keller Jun 12, 2008 10:41:49 AM

tim says:

Steve:

Do you think it would be advantageous to print whether or not a horse is on steroids in the DRF? Like they do with Lasix?

I think the public deserves to know who is using and who isnt, especially since the cost of this paper is now $5.50, which isnt exactly chump change.

It should be part of the handicapping information, just as important as comments from the last horse's race and how much weight a horse is carrying.

Suggestion: you could indicate a horse is on steroids by showing a little picture of a man holding a syringe.

Posted by Tim Jun 12, 2008 2:45:02 PM

prozac_jack says:

Dear Steve, Wasn't Willsboro Point claimed out of his last race? For me this kind of horse is an automactic throw-in, especially if I'm trying to get a price. To my friend BOCHALLS, you said the pick 6 is a SUCKERS bet, I disagree, what makes it a SUCKERS bet is that Managment at most major Racetracks is made up primarily of "the STUPID son's of sucessful fathers" who delibertly place these races to attract the most money possible.This has always been a Rich Man's game and always will be.Pick6 money is the hardest money to recoup. Managment doesn't care that it BLEEDS the little guy to death, they don't care that this great game CONTINUES to decline in handle and attendence year after year. I've asked managment to card a pick-6 that is comprised of 6 races that contain Horses with form, just once a week. How many player's out there have had over and over 4 out of 6 or 5 out of 6, just to be blown out by a 14 horse field of Maidens or maiden claimer's. So the guy that's a good Handicapper is now asked to guess or COVER 14 horses... Managment turns a THINKING man's game into a four legged lottery.... Managment doesn't understand the pulse of the horseplayers they have run a full time catering service to the wealthy. Million dollar races are a dime a dozen, and this has done NOTHING to attract new business.If race track managment took over McDonald's Corp the first they would do is,SELL HOT DOGS ONLY .. As far as the group of talking heads at T.V.G.they "couldn't pick their own mother out of a room full of BABOONS" I'm sure Steve would tell you learn to pick your own horses and play the pick 6 with 'their" money, untill managment gives the little guy a fair shot.If you have a Big day keep that money and put in a Big Fat ticket just like the rich man's STUPID son's want you to....

Posted by prozac jack Jun 12, 2008 3:07:13 PM

jim says:

Steve,

Does NY spike the pool on non carryover days for the p-6? just curious if they throw in like 5k or something like that

Posted by jim Jun 12, 2008 3:07:37 PM

george_quinn says:

Senate hearings june 19. Dutrow is on the witness list. The 2008 version of Sosa and Mcguire! Cannot wait. Wonder if he calls one of the senior Washington people BABE? Doubt it but hope so.
George in Lexington ky.

Posted by george quinn Jun 12, 2008 6:19:48 PM

proud_of_steve_c says:

Steve,

Just want to say that you really did a service when penning your observations about how the armchair jockeys got it wrong.

The ride on Big Brown was relatively insignificant, and three cheers to the steward Mr. Hill who felt the same way upon reviewing the film with Kent D.

Taking that a step further (years too late) I'd also opine that Stewart Elliot did NOT give Smarty Jones a "bad ride" in his Belmont either:

That Belmont Stakes shaped up a lot like the Iraq war, where had you been able to see the end (or, uh, well, the later stages {???} ) from the beginning, you might have done it differently, but when critiqued on a frame-by-frame cause-and-effect basis, the chess matches in either case more clearly vindicate the respective "jockeys" involved.

Ultimately, Saddam controlled his own fate, Big Brown's problems certainly weren't the ride, and Smarty Jones was just unfortunate.

Anyway, great points you made in that story.

Posted by Proud of Steve C. Jun 12, 2008 7:24:53 PM

steven_crist says:

jim,

The NYRA P6 pool is not seeded on non-carryover days; instead, the takeout is 15 rather than the usual 25 percent as an incentive to play without a carry.

Tim,

There is no way DRF could publish which horses have been treated with steroids because that information is not required to be reported. Steroids are currently legal in most jurisdictions, though I think that will change over the next year. Currently, we could no more list which horses are getting them than we could say which horses are given peppermints.

Posted by Steven_Crist Jun 12, 2008 8:58:49 PM

john says:

Steve, what do you think about a mandatory pick 6 payout on Belmont Stakes day? It seems a little unfair that 95,000 people, most of which won't be back at least right away, get to contribute with no chance to collect if there is a carryover. To me, this would eliminate the need for a "guarantee" because the thought of a pick six payout on as little as 4 of 6, will stimulate at least as much action. Basically no different than NYRA does on each one of it's meets closing days.

Posted by John Jun 12, 2008 9:24:04 PM

tim says:

1) Thanks Steve. Still dont understand why Lasix is published, thats legal too, no? So because steroids are legal, its not required to tell the public? How is it any different in factoring in whether or not a horse has a good chance to win that race than knowing a horse is on Lasix?

2) Steve, I find it hard to believe you left out the horse claimed by Scott Schwartz coming off a win no less, but hey next time right?!

3) Sorry about the single I gave you- Love Co. Prado rode this horse into the ground but I doubt it made any difference. My Dinah was tons the best.

4) I think they should only have big carryovers like this on the weekend so more people can enjoy the action. I realize it attracted a large amount of money, but think how much more money and how many more people could have enjoyed the action on a Sat or Sun? It stinks betting ahead and checking the results on the internet at work.

Any 3 or more day carryover should only happen on weekends. What do you think?

Posted by Tim Jun 12, 2008 9:39:28 PM

annie says:

Steve,

What ever happened to that 66 Minute Pick 6 that was supposed to start this Sat.?

Posted by Annie Jun 12, 2008 11:54:23 PM

kevin_morris says:

Steve, I'm reading your "Exotic Betting" and got to your section on stupid exacta tricks where you point out how the quinella is a really lame bet. It made me wonder if this might be a pool where a slightly more sophisticated handicapper could have an advantage.

Posted by kevin morris Jun 13, 2008 5:38:46 AM

brett says:

Steve (anyone) - thought it was interesting (and sad) that after 2nd race on Belmont card that Inquiry sign didn't go up. Thought it was even stranger that Garcia didn't claim foul - chart says chked hard and lost several lengths. Bailey/Moss then reported that Garcia was angry that there was no outrider to report his claim and race was official by the time he got back. Bailey was shocked that they didn't look at it. Sport doesn't need press like this - wake up Stewards and protect your fans!

Posted by Brett Jun 13, 2008 7:58:26 AM

florida_larry says:

BB and the Starter ..
Kent Desormeaux has added another theory to the growing mystery over what stopped Big Brown in Saturday's Belmont Stakes.

The colt's jockey believes that the official starter, Roy Robert Williamson, was unintentionally responsible. Desormeaux said as much Wednesday in a meeting with stewards but did so publicly Thursday.

Williamson was standing on the track a few feet off the rail, and Desormeaux thinks that distraction may have cost Big Brown the Triple Crown.

"He leaves there like a quarter horse all the time, but this time he left and made a sharp right," Desormeaux said of Big Brown.

"Most of the time the starter leans on the fence, not a few feet off. What troubles me most is that the starter didn't stand there like a statue. One thing is to be there, but to push the button and then start to walk away.

"I mean he's got bright white pants on and a dark jacket. He stands out like a sore thumb.
(It could clarify many issues if BB is allowed to compete in the Travers and then he BC ..... else????)

Posted by florida Larry Jun 13, 2008 11:08:44 AM

ray_flack says:

The BB saga is beginning to look a lot like the JFK murder and all the conspiracy theories that grew like weeds and still show their ugly blossoms from time to time. Let's face it folks. BB lost the race. Only he knows exactly why and unless they hire a horse whisperer to interview him and get to the facts, I suggest we move on to the next phase. The theory that the starter did it is intriguing but like a lot of other sugestions it is absurd.
Movin' on. Ray

Posted by ray flack Jun 13, 2008 1:06:48 PM

mike_in_saratoga says:

Desormeaux rode horribly in the Belmont, but I have noticed the starter in NY seems to stand oddly close to the start of the race. He needs to get out of the way! No one wants to see him, especially young horses bursting out of the gate for the first time.

Posted by Mike_in_Saratoga Jun 13, 2008 8:14:36 PM

hud says:

who else thinks this whole NYOTB bloomberg/bankruptcy thing is a disgrace...they (Bloomberg and crew) don't count the surcharge since that would have made the bottom line net positive, yet they want ny state to take over the operation, incur the expenses, guarantee a profit (at a 1% increase in takeout cost to the bettors) AND they (Bloomberg and crew) don't want to give up the surcharge...can't have your cake and eat it too....or can you????

Posted by hud Jun 14, 2008 2:06:20 PM

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