In Appeal to Angry Clinton Voters, Republicans Prep ClintonsForMcCain.com

This is knee-jerk at best. 5 months of McCain's continued incompetence as a candidate will turn these people around. I know the Hillary/Obama battle was hard-fought and very exhausting, but the idea of any left-leaning person going for McCain is untenable. This won't hold up through the national campaign.

And only the vocal minority is still visiting Hillary's site, so the perception is skewed. I'm sure most of her supporters realize that Obama is now the best option going forward.

This kind of nonsense is why Hillary is such a polarizing figure. Her strident tone and sense of entitlement throughout her campaign is reflected in her supporter's words and actions now.

Hillary couldn't (or wouldn't) recognize that dropping out of the race 2 months ago was the sensible thing to do. What kind of president would she make? Keeping us in Iraq for 100 years so people would think she was a "fighter"? Once again, we see those same qualities in her supporters - not content to use their heads and vote in their own best interests, they clearly want to punish Obama for running a better campaign, for being a better candidate, for appealing to more Americans. Voting for McCain simply to spite Obama for winning shows the small-mindedness and shortsightedness we expect from Hillary supporters.

it's a sad state in our country when people seem to focus on ethnicity and gender over what a candidate actually proclaims they will work toward.

this squabbling and media coverage that shows demographics and ethnic/gender voting lines only proves how much we haven't moved forward as a nation since the civil rights movements of yester-year.

Hillary and McCain are honorable people

Obama wants to split the Democratic party and kick out everyone who doesn't bow down to him in the name of party "unity".

Hillary and McCain are honorable people

Obama wants to split the Democratic party and kick out everyone who doesn't bow down to him in the name of party "unity".

erm...the GOP is inciting this rhetoric for the good of those Clinton voters? Right? I mean, why else would they do it?

I think a lot of the noise we see isn't from "Clinton supporters" but rather Republicans acting like Clinton supporters to sow FUD.

I can't believe people think that picking Obama over Clinton is dissing Clinton. That's a false dichotomy...they can both be good candidates. Perhaps the ones freaking out the most want so badly for their "type" to be valuable.

It was a tight race. The process picked a candidate. If you're old enough to vote, you should be above throwing a hissy fit. I personally prefer Kucinich/Edwards but that doesn't mean I vote for McCain because they lost.

I think it all depends on which set of issues are important to you as a voter. A lot of people don't see themselves as Democrats or Republicans.

I'm from the Netherlands, which is also a democracy, but with all due respect, a very different one.
The U.S.A. somehow has gotten tangled up with a whole person-centered voting system. The presidency, as a phenomenon, has become an institution and position which has been given too much weight.
The key difference between elections in my country and yours, is that you vote for a President, whereas we vote for a political party. We do not have Primaries, party members do not decide beforehand which person will be President if elections are being won. Of course, there are obvious nominees for the position, but since the position of President doesn't carry the same weight as in your country, it is much less of an issue. The main capacity of our President is to be the spokesperson of the government.
Elections in my country, are therefore much more about the standpoints and policies each political party as a whole subscribes to, and much less about any single personality.
This gives us more opportunity to focus on the issues, instead of starting spin-doctored flame-wars between talking heads on teevee.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our system's better. We've got our own forms of weirdness to deal with. But this position of Presidency IMO just carries way too much power and responsibility for any one person in your country. And the Bush administration did not exactly tip the scale in the right direction, now did it?!
Really, a country should be run by a Government, not a person.

Obama reminds me of Jimmy Carter way too much "We need to change! We need to turn America around!" without any real plan. For those people to young to remember what it was like with Jimmy Carter let me reassure you this was how he was and we cant have that again, EVER!

This is a good idea. After all, apart from Clinton, no politician will fight for universal healthcare like John McCain...

The mindset of some people is so hateful, they only see the fire, which actually is being set by themselves. There have been several political figures, just in the last years, who have not lived up to their promises nor shown people their respectable character. Obama is VERY DECENT and HONORABLE.

I don’t understand why Clinton’s hardcore supporters are threatening to vote for McCain in November. Do her supporters (many of them women), realize that by defecting to McCain, they will be voting for a Pro-life, pro-war, pro-tax cuts for the wealthy nominee? Please, Clinton supporters, do not vote out of knee-jerk resentment, but vote logically. Obama and Clinton are not that different on the issues, especially in comparison to McCain.

If Clinton supporters really hold the same views on the issues, they will vote for Obama. Obama and Clinton are very close to each other with regard to political positions. Only a complete idiot would vote for McCain simply because their favorite candidate lost the nomination.

@Marcel

I'm from Belgium and the way I see it, Dutch politics have been monopolised just by those "personalities". Pim fortuyn, Rita Verdonck, Geert Wilders,... True, none of them could ever dream to become prime minister, but they did receive a lot of media attention. In Belgium, it works just the same. I don't know if you've followed our long road to ruin the last few months? Nothing but endless quarreling from some popular politicians but no effective goverment policies.

But in a way, I do catch your drift!

Clinton women who would, out of fear, vote against their own equality and rights by selecting a right-wing traditionalist are perhaps trying to allay their overblown terror of the world around them. This election may really be between worried conservatives and brave idealists.

I wouldn't vote for John Mccain if he was running with god almighty himself. Clinton Supporter now Barack Supporter!!!

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

The goal hasn't changed to beat Obama, 5 months will not change our attitude it will just advance our gameplan.

I don't think these women realize how much they hurt their own cause by "revenge-voting." Aside from the fact that McCain is against a women's right to choose and universal health care, these women are doing themselves a disservice to the feminist movement by sending the message that they would be willing to vote solely out of emotion, even at the expense of the work that their candidate, Sen. Clinton, has done and at the expense of their own individual liberties. It feeds into the stereotype and diminishes the credibility of the entire movement.

I liked Kucinich, but knew he would never win. Too radical. I am too radical. I will vote for Obama because McCain is exactly like Bush now. Maybe not in 2000, but, in order to secure the RNC Nomination he surely has flipped or flopped, not quite sure.
Obama supporters should not try to analyze Clinton supporters. You are the winners, be dignified like our candidate.
I am sorry to Clinton supporters. I know that we were so close, so close it feels stolen. So close it feels like something devious must have happened. But I assure you that Obama cannot and will not win this election without Hillary and all 18 million of her supporters.
My point in all of this is, please look at the substance of John McCain. What little substance there is. Look at what he stands for and what Barack stands for. Hillary and Barack will work together and he would be remiss not to put her in his cabinet.
Please do not think a strong congress will control a McCain term... a Democratic congress now has not done much to stop Bush, how would the same people with more control stop McCain, who, undoubtedly, will have more support from anti-choice, anti-american, warmongerers.
Please I plead to you when no one else will be this humble. Lets whoop McCain together.

Obama is going to cleanse the Democratic Party of anybody who has ever supported Clinton, I don't want to support that trash and this forced unification is sickening.

@HillSupport

You are an idiot if u vote for McCain... He is the same man who traded in his sick wife for a younger healthier one.... Cheated on his wife.... referred to her in public using a word that rhymes with "runt"... it goes on...

Grow up and vote for the candidate you know is better for the country, Obama. Get over yourselves already. It's not like Obama and Hillary are all that different politically.

Woh thats sorta ingenious! Plant a few republican rebel rouser's in the DNC, then whoever wins the primaries have them start crying foul and pushing the losers supporters to McBush in petty vengeance. Gotta say one thing for em, there crafty!

Let me make one thing clear. The disenfranchisement that most Hillary supporters feel is a very real and tangible thing. You can pretend that it's just Republicans contributing to the facade, but I assure you that you will be thrown for a loop this November if that is your mindset.

As a male Clinton supporter (we're not all women), I have been disgusted with the Democratic Party for the past 2 months. In the history of our party, there has never been these resounding calls for a candidate to drop out, even in races that went to convention. Mind you, this race was closer than any of those that did go all the way to August. The way the leadership in the party has forced her hand by demanding superdelegates rush to endorse is not only irresponsible; it's insulting!

It is trivial to think that we are whining or making something out of nothing, when either way, you need us to win. Otherwise you are simply half a party.

My advice to all Obama supporters: Back off. Don't push us. Don't talk down to us, as it seems the majority of you are accustomed to. If we're going to heal as a party, or if half of us are even going to decide we want to, it's going to take a great deal of empathy from both sides.

This is wonderful. The same political party that encouraged its members (unofficially via conservative media) to muck up Democratic primaries in key battleground states by voting for Clinton now must attempt to create a groundswell in the hopes of bringing voters back. I’d wish them luck, but I hate lying.

I suspect Limbaugh already has a link for his listeners to sign up.

I'm voting for donald duck.. he seems to have his ideals right

This has turned into an American Idol Contest For most of The so Called Clinton Democrats .... My name says it all "Grow Up" ... Issues are more Important than the Personnel Enforcing the issues ... So if You really Believe in the Issues McCain is offering, Vote for Him and do not Say it Has anything to Do with Hillary Clinton .... Hillary Clinton's Issues are Far More Different than the Ones being offered by the Republican Party and a Wise voter will make a wise Decision Come November ...

McBush.com Courting Demopublicans

http://tinyurl.com/3jlt6m

Lee and One Man Revolt seem to have it. Some humility is required for a time on both sides of the party, absolutely. And Matt, Obama is not trying to purge anybody from the party. We need everyone to beat McCain, and we'll still have to fight tooth and nail. This country deserves better than him.

As for cries of a Clinton/McCain ticket, it just won't happen. The GOP is not in the least happy with McCain as it is, but there's no way they'd support a choice like that. Not to mention the gross inconsistencies in McCain/Clinton policy, you're going to scare off the far-righters with a female VP, and their numbers are far too strong.

Everybody likes to dis Jimmy Carter, but I am old enough to remember that Jimmy Carter heavily funded alternative energy research. I often wonder where our country would be today if we had continued that investment for the past 25 years. Maybe we would not be selling our souls to Saudia Arabia. But, Reagan, that president all Republicans love to revere, abruptly terminated alternative energy funding and here we are today destine to repeat history.

I think the doublethink coming from Clinton's supporters since Tuesday is hilarious. She is the one who divided the party, with her abject refusal to face reality or act with any grace and humility, and now Obama is the bad guy because he wants a united front to face a tenacious opposing Republican campaign?

@ HillSupport: You're actually willing to elect a man abjectly opposed to many Democrat party policies, solely out of a sense of vindictiveness?

In short, if you would vote Republican over this, the issues obviously don't matter to you...a vote for McCain will be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

This is a classic BS scheme looking for a gullible audience. Pass it by. Ignore. It's twits with broomsticks up their ass.

If a true Democrat wants to vote for mccain then, we don,t want there vote anyway, If it's just about only want to vote for Hillary,hen sit, and think why you really started voting in the first place,, to be heard. Voting for Mccain is just making your voice not being heard

I swear if the republicans win again because some "democrats" refuse to vote for a dem. because of God D**m Clinton I will be so F;ing angry...Any Dem. is better than McCain.

If these so-called Democrats won't support their own party's nomination, they were simply voting for Hillary because she's a woman. Especially if they're willing to, in large numbers, haul off to the extreme opposite of the political spectrum just out of spite. This is the most absurd reverse sexism bullshit I've ever heard. Talk about a bunch of fucking idiots. And the claims that the DNC is treating "a woman with great disregard without penalty" just show the complete ignorance. Anyone who claims Clinton was overlooked or treated unfairly needs to learn the fucking definition of a fair competition. You lost, stop crying like bitches, and don't you DARE fuck up this entire election because you feel personally slighted. Goddamn idiots.

I just want to say it one more time. God damn fucking stupid idiots!

When will Hillary get over it so her supporters can get over it? If you are going to vote for McCain just do it, and stop talking about it. SHe has truly trained you all well, she backs him into a corner with this VP talk making sure she still gets attention, now her supporters with this Hillay or McCain nonsense.

If democrats go to November and lose Hillary will be blamed. Period. All this Hillary or nobody rhetoric, which she is fostering with her posturing does no one any good.

Well I supported Hillary, and after the way she has been treated by her "fellow" democrats and Obama, I will be voting for McCain. Many of my friends feel betrayed by the Democratic Party, by how women once again being told what to do by men. Even here, Hillary supporters are under attack from people who resort to name calling and profanity if we don't bow down to the mighty Obama. You reap what you sow!

Why are Obamabots talking about PURGING the party? You learning lessons from Hitler and Stalin? PURGE if they do not agree.

Hillary should do what Joe Lieberman here in Ct when he lost for being the Democratic primany for Senator, form a 3rd party. More people voted for her than either Obama or McCain, plus many,many Repubublican women who wanted to vote for her couldn't because they forgot they needed to switch registration prior to voting day. My wife plus 2 of her female friends couldn't get a Dem ballot to vote for Hillary but would vote for her in Nov. Now that would really make 2008 election history ~~ a 3rd party winning by millions of votes.

Does that mean the McCain supporters will take down sites like http://www.hillarythebitch.com/ now?

Or do they only care about getting votes?

LOL considering how McCain is a moderate its not a far walk to his camp. Unless you are a frothing at the mouth marxist liberal 'Bamite who resorts to dumping on people who dare to think for themselves. Looks like women learned where they really stand in the hierarchy of the DNC.

Dumb bitches!!! using emotions over logic as usual!

Edward thats a great idea! Hillary should form a 3rd party. She would get the recognition and respect she deserves for her hard work.

no democrat switches to republican just because their primary candidate which is almost no different from the *other* primary candidate in terms of issues didn't get the nomination. In fact, anyone who's doing this never was a democrat, and definitely does not care about issues at all, and only is voting based on gender/race.

There's so much difference between the republican side and the democrat side this time around that you would never consider switching from either one to the other because of primaries, where about the only difference at all between clinton and obama was each of their implementations of health care reform

To the "Men" who voted for Hillary...how was "Sex and The City" ??

Glad to see all the women haters come out and show who the true Obama supporters are. Use the women and then throw them under the bus, like Obama did with his white grandmother, like his polygamist pig father did with his wives, like good old rich boys democrats did with Hillary.

Pretty sad that you don't vote your party because the guy is black...isn't that racism!! rather vote for the old white dude from another party - huh

This is so weird there are few words. I am truly not seeing ANY logic here. It is bizarre.

To the women, you call yourselves feminists but you will vote for a man who wants to overturn Roe V Wade, somebody point me in the direction of the logic. You vote for a man that hates women to prove you have respect and admiration for women. WOW.

Right on "Chicken in the city"

tina smith i understand what your saying even if its a load of shit but fred 39 you are and asshole comparing peoples opinions to hitler? what?

Democrats, please do not do us any favors and vote for McCain. If you are a Dem, vote YOUR party. You own it, cause you voted for it.

Reality is that the house and congress will be Democrat heavy. Probably veto proof heavy. Mccain will not get anything "republican" passed, because he wont have the votes to work with...As a result, the Dems will vote and pass every piece of
bad law that they want. (McCain will have no ability to do anything but stand there and look stupid). When the nation crashes and burns because of their decisions, they should have to take responsibility for what they have done to us. If McCain is elected, he will be made to take the blame, even though he had no power.

Please elect Obama. He is totally without qualifications, but thats OK with you guys...WHAT HAS HE DONE, other than read really good speaches from a teleprompter? Pass any laws? Conduct some investigations? Work ACROSS the aisle to achieve something of merit? Has he ever ONCE voted against his party? He has done nothing except smile and wave, and thats OK. He is very good at smiling and waving...But please, don't do me or any other conservative a favor by not voting for YOUR guy. He is yours, you bought and paid for him.

WOW...if Satan was a female, you people would probably check "YES" as long as she's female and not that Black Guy

to "MVNOODLE"...Crash and burn?? you mean like what the Bush administration has done to us for 8 years? get real WMD boy!

Boo F**king Hoo! White Hillary didn't make it so what do people wanna do...vote for the other WHITE person. Closet racist mofos. You people probably don't even know why you don't like Obama. I'm still confused why people think that old guy McCain can make any difference, he's 80-something! Do those McCainites not know he has no more innovations left in that brain? He can only maintain the pace the US is already in. We need younger more mentally active politicians who can actually come up with new ways to do things since the same old stuff has been outdated for years.

I don't understand. McCain is SO FAR AWAY FROM CLINTON'S STANCES compared to Obama... it just doesn't make any sense.

It's like an anti-war person saying "well they didn't elect Dennis Kucinich, so I guess I will vote for Bush!"

Yes, the stances ARE that far apart when comparing Clinton and McCain. She is much more similar to Obama in her stances.

I'm not an over-the-top Obama supporter, but I did vote for him.

If McCain wins in November because of a bunch of vindictive voters who felt personally wronged at Clinton's loss of the nomination, then we are in a sad state because it's easy to assume that these are probably the same bunch of people who have been pissing and moaning about Bush for the past 8 years. If Republicans take the White House in the fall because of scorned Dems switching to vote Republican, we will all go down in flames.

fred39, *obamabots* as you put it are nazis stalinists, they want you to bend over and vote for them so they can inflict their will on you for the *greater* good!

mike, you are a small minded pig. people dont vote *party*, they vote their mind. people dont have to vote black solely on the color and their pathetic whitey guilt.

pixelbob, you are just a pig, keep it up! you managing to piss off that segment of the population that brought your ignorant ass into this world.

If you think that many here supported Hillary because she is a woman, who's the idiot? I'll be voting for McCain because I believe in winning the war before getting out. I'm a Vietnam Veteran and the left-wing Dems screw it up back then. As far as Roe vs Wade, many woman and men like myself are "Pro Life" as are many Catholics. Hillary is being disrespected by the Obama supporters and Obama should share in the blame for not putting a stop to it. And now for women voting only for women... do you mean Blacks voting for the Black man? Talk about glass houses!

It seems to me, this is what the republicans want, discontentment within the DNC, which will split votes and cause those that supported Clinton to vote for McCain or not vote at all. People, please wakeup and realize the tragedy of what another Republican will continue to do to this country. Think about it, Bush created a war by supplying the public with false information about Iraq, what make you think things will change with McCain. Look at our county's economic situation, it's terrible. Airlines are going out of business because of high oil prices, people are loosing jobs because of outsourcing, Bush is responsible for our country's hugh debt. When Clinton was president, he was impeached for something that didn't cause any lives or young men with life long disabilities. Baically, from what I've read lately, Bush have created a war that can never be won. Where's our since of pride, sto being sore loosers, vote for a change in America

To "MVNOODLE" what you are really saying is whomever is elected is going to be stuck holding the smelly bag the Republicans handed over and he will be taking the blame...typical Republican response...look at them, they did it, not us. So, Obama will look like a tax whore because the Republicans ran up the VISA bill so damn high and now we have to pay for it. Thx Republicans for your contribution to this country!

Obama is not Black! I am Black, because my parents are black. Obama is a half breed, his daddy was a horny black man brought here by pity of white mans educational reform, his daddy nailed many white women, his momma was a horny white woman with taste for black men. Obama is as much white as he is black. STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD!

Hey "WHITEMALE" how was Sex and the City?

Whitemale pro life women would not be voting for Hillary in the first place in this campaign. McCain has already locked them down. Let's be clear it is white women not just women.

And I keep hearing the 'respect' word. I will concede the media sexism, but how are Obama supportrs disrespecting her by expecting her to respect the process. I am getting an Al Sharpton feeling from Clinton.

she was a filthy bitch good riddance bring on the > fuck the U S of hAte

obama is gonna make you all pay

I voted for Hillary, the country was in better shape when a Clinton was in office and say what you want about Bill but he cleaned the mess we were in when he took office. I will now vote for MCCain not out of spite but I don't feel Obama has what it takes to be President ,he ain't ready for that job. We all have a right to vote the way we feel is best, name calling others because you don't agree with their view is wrong.I felt Hillary was the best person for the presidency, she knows first hand what a big task lies ahead for someone.

For my fellow democratic friends who prefer The First Lady as the Democratic nominee: Most of you have probably been waiting a generation or two to have such a strong, capable and committed candidate run for President. Hillary represents a lifetime of hope for you. I think she would make a great president---perhaps an outstanding one. At one point during the campaign I became very angry with her and swore I would vote for McCain in the fall if she were the nominee. Not too long afterward I changed my mind. Hillary Clinton believes what I believe, regardless of whether I like her or not. Her presidency would represent me far more than John McCain's. And, based on that, I changed my mind. You have every right to feel the way you do right now and to make any decision you want. But here's one fellow liberal, feminist, progressive Democrat begging you not to let another Republican be President. After 8 yrs. of George Bush and Company I just can't take another day!!! Senator Obama's voting record and cooperation with Planned Parenthood groups in Illinois and his endorsement by NARAL Pro-Choice attests to his commitment and empathy with women. I mean, really, just check out Michelle. Does she seem to you like a woman disrespected by her husband?

The liberal agenda that Obama will bring to the White House is our common cause. And I think Hillary would agree with me. Please join us in the fight.

Friends Americans Countrymen
lend me your ears
I come not to praise Clinton but to bury Her
Oft the good of men is interred with the bones so let it be with Clinton.
Obama Says she is ambitious and Obama is an honorable man
for are they not all honorable men
And thrice in october did we offer her the nomination
yet her campaigning style refused it.
But Obama says she was ambitious and obama is an honorable man

To Oakland Razor: Your response says much about who you are. As far as using the race card, it was Obama who used it.

To Tom: I've never seen the show and aside from what the title depicts can't make an opinion.

I understand that there is real devotion to Hillary by her supporters.

But let me ask this question to my fellow Hillary supporters? Why did you support Hillary in the first place? I'm sure that her positions on the various issues (Iraq, economy, health care, etc.) made her very attractive, correct? I mean there is no way you supported her just because she is a woman, right?

Look, I supported Hillary because of her positions on the major issues.

However, since Hillary is not the Democratic candidate, I will go to whoever offers the best alternative. That's why I will support Obama in November. I'm voting Democrat in November. Count on it.

John McCain has the exact opposite plan on the issues. McCain and Hillary are on the opposite ends of the spectrum based on the issues. Therefore, I cannot support or vote for him. John McCain will only continue the failed policies of Bush and the Republican party. I urge all of you to not allow the Republicans to win the Presidency.

I really don't understand why would anyone want to vote for a Republican this November.

As a side note, when I was reading the comments on Hillary's blog, one of the comments said that he/she would rather get another 4 years of Bush than a week of an Obama presidency. To this I respond: "Really? You must not be one of regular people who are suffering due to the policies of the Bush administration. I remember the days that gas was only $1.50 per gallon. I also remember times when you can count to the government to provide swift relief to disaster victims. Bush/McCain may start another war with Iran because they cannot use diplomacy. If war does happen, guess who'll they send once they figure out that we are running out of good soldiers? That's right: YOU!

I cannot allow Republicans to win.

Ok voice I hear you, you are voting on age/experience not on the issues. Because it is simply impossible to go from Clinton to McCain, even Clinton admitted that on the issues she and Obama are more similar.

Though I heard this 'there will be party unity' "we are just in a heated primary" argument, and said it was not that simple, and so it has come to pass.

@vince
Honestly i wouldnt mind being sent

@Olyver

I respect your choice.

As for me, I cannot wholeheartedly accept any military against a country that has not attacked us or has not displayed any intent of attacking us.

Hasn't anyone here remember that the Democratic Party is a big tent! Just because the far left wing of the party has hijacked the party leadership and platform, doesn't mean we democratic conservative centrists are going away. McCain might be opposite Clinton but IMHO he's far closer to the way I think than Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, or Barrack Obama. I supported Hillary Clinton because she is a centrist democrat and I agreed with many of her positions, not all of them for sure. I'm a democrat, and I'm sorry the far left Dems have brought to this predicament, but I'd rather switch my vote to the republicans than go to the far left.

It's a website registered by the RNC. They are the supreme users of trickery and deceit, though not very sly about it. This is simply an attempt to drive a wedge between Democrats to help their candidate. McCain is going to get owned in November. The country hasn't wanted nor does want anything to do with the Republican party thanks to GDubya. The polls have consistently shown this as well as the non presidential races. Obama supporters, don't think for a second this is legit. That's precisely what the RNC wants.

I'm concerned that I can't find any good reason to support someone whose politics are closer to Clinton than McCain. It really is a concern. So I'm going raise the issue. And talk about voting for someone not at all like a democratic voter. Believe me, I will.

Name one program supported by Clinton that was a good program.
This country was not in great financial shape at end of his presidency we were still borrowing money every year of his presidency.
Theye bailed out US bankers who lost tons of money in Mexico.
threw millions off of welfare and hired millions into the federal bureaucracy and called it welfare reform.
NAFTA is probably the most destructive Bill to US economy ever written.
They were the first to introduce Homeland Security.
Bombed aspirin factories and went to war in balkans where instead of having the boys home by christmas he gave Brown and Root, Haliburtons subssiiary a contract that still has our tropp stationed there.
Bombed Iraq for every year he was in office and in last 18 months dropped more tonnage on Iraq than in all the previous years combined.
Under their VP Gore who did the actual reorganization that led up to our being able to invade Afghanistan and Iraq with our modern military.
Clinton is just like the rest of todays Democrtic party; all hype and bluster and as slippery as a snakes on sh..
Clintons were carpet baggers from their very first entry into politics and the lead members of democratic party today are all in same vein.
Obama has no chance of changing any policys but at least he can raise US populaces perceptions that change is possible; for awhile.
To think Hillary can do the HONORABLE thing w2hen there is not an honorable man, Ron Paul is about as close as one can come to being such but he is helpless and also way lost in a time warp, or woman in all the politcal system in US today.
But then again, only an honorable people deserve such.

Riddle me this, Riddler: I'm not sure why so many people are calling this a "close" race.

I mean yes, in the popular vote, it's so close that nobody even knows who has more (both teams claim it, and I've seen pundits call it both ways).

However, we don't nominate by popular vote; we nominate by delegates. And any way you slice it, Obama whooped the tar outta Clinton in delegate count (okay, perhaps poor word choice, but you get my drift). Yes, if Hillary had stayed in it forever and done all kinds of ... possibly illegal things (million dollar bribes, anyone?), she might have caught up with Obama by August.

But the point of the "he won, she should concede" calls from all quarters was simple: we nominate based upon delegate count, and delegate count only. Barack Obama beat Hillary Clinton by almost 200 delegates; that's 10% of the entire total. That's not a close race; that's a blowout.

And THAT is why so many were calling for Hillary to concede; not because they wanted to "fix" the election for Obama, but because, **given the way we nominate Presidential candidates**, there was simply no mathematically conceivable way for her to win. Staying in the race just looked like denial of reality and mean-spiritedness to all of us NOT in the Clinton camp, and it was splitting the party in half. All the other candidates had the grace to bow out when it became clear that they could not win, only Hillary decided that staying in (for whatever reason; I'll not speculate) was worth possibly losing the general election to the opposing party.

That's what has me mad. This was NOT a close election, and had not been close since after Super Tuesday. You can whinge and complain that Hillary would have won if we followed the Republican rules, but the point is: we don't, and both candidates knew the rules of the game going into it. Obama simply outplayed Clinton, and her refusal to face reality until this late date seems nothing short of vindictive and (ultimately) self-destructive to me (and many others, to read the blogosphere).

.............................women

Looks like I'll be voting for McCain too. I cannot and WILL NOT place my vote for Obama. I can't stand him nor his wife - who is NO Jackie O.!!
Wake up people. We have to pick the lesser of two evils here, and McCain will receive my vote this November.

Shirley
(Still, a PROUD Hillary Supporter)

The odd thing you see over and over again is how people vote for candidates who don't represent their interests. For example, poor people vote for the candidate who raises their tax burden by cutting taxes for rich people. Masochists, stupid, or what? I can't figure it out.

To Uncle Tom:

If you really could read the blogoshere objectively, you'd know why and how Obama won. (1) the DNC being far left wanted their left wing candidate to win and made sure the rules favored Obama. They even broke their own DNC rules by take away Clinton delegates in the Michigan Florida fiasco. (2) The liberal media, for many reasons that have little to do with fairness or platform, helped the DNC to hurt Hillary Clinton. (3) The Black majority abandoned Hillary Clinton when Obama won Iowa an mostly all White state believing the media's false assumption that a Black man can win in the general election where the majority is White. States with very small Black populations tend not to vote race for obvious reasons. (4) The Obama supporters using the Internet bad mouthed Hillary Clinton, along with the republicans, so disgracefully while Obama covertly grinned. (5) The Obama pundits filibustered any debate every chance they got on the mainstream media, and the liberal media were in heaven sucking up the ratings and sensationalism.

So this is why Hillary Clinton lost the primary election, but Obama will loose the general for many of the same reason since Hillary won't be around to take the crap off Obama. Obama isn't really a popular general election candidate and the media side with him in the next round

Okay so yeah again with the Jimmy Carter thing. Our family actually knows him and my great uncle is one of his good friends. And he was actually a good person, and so he didn't let politics let him become crooked, which is apparently what makes a good president these days. But I supported Clinton, and now I'm for Obama. Realize that their views are very much alike, and either one would be an awesome president.

Being an American living in Japan for the last ten months, I have followed the news closely but still never really gotten more than the big picture: no ads, pundits, or discussion at the coffee shop.

From that perspective, I can say that I was frustrated with all the Democratic candidates. I would have voted for any of them over McCain, and instead saw them sinking money and effort into in-fighting. Obama and Hillary slamming each other was just a freebie for the GOP. Whoever won, you know you'll see McCain ads that go "Look what even other Democrats said about [insert candidate here]."

Hillary supporters: no disrespect should be taken from calls for her to quit. The party simply understood that it works as a unit, and protracted in-fighting only hurts. Yeah, the decision wasn't hashed out to completion, but the cost of doing so could prove to be greater than the actual differences between the Democratic candidates.

Obama supporters: this could have so easily gone the other way. Maybe disgruntled Obama supporters wouldn't flock to McCain, but they'd find another way to not vote for Hillary. They'd just be a vocal minority, but that's what the Clintonites for McCains are.

Vote the issues. That's all that matters. Election etiquette doesn't affect health care, national security, energy policy, or anything else that's important.

Obama, like Hillary, frustrated me in the campaign. But now I'm %100 behind Obama because none of that matters.

Whether it's RNC or Rightist Democrat, it's playing on the racist Great White Father's fears of losing power and control over the world.

Get rid of that big white halo, America. Now's the time.

This is why it's so important to listen to Wired. The objectivity and professionalism of crack reporters like Sarah Lai Stirland. Damn she's good. And the comments elicited by her farticles? I could drink them in all night. Such wisdom and poetry. Wired is one of the most entertaining sites out there. I no longer need season passes to the circus.

google for obama's associates....scary!

Seriously? I can't see any logical reason why anyone supporting Hillary's campaign would switch to the Republican ticket. McCain is not going to offer Clinton the VP nomination, nor are he and his party going to moderate their positions on the polarizing issues. The Republican party thinks they are being clever and capitalizing on a petty (and unfortunately, vocal) group. Regardless of where I stood with the Democratic candidates, I will continue to stand as far away from (and preferably not downwind of) McCain and his supporters.

Go ahead vote for Obama but don't tell us what to do.Don't even try to change our minds because its not going to work.

I do not trust Obama. I don't believe he has been truthful regarding his pastor and regarding his chicago associates. I don't like the wife, she hates our country. What about his middle name, I have not seen it in any of his campaigns. Why has he not used it? Anyway, I voted for Hillary and now will be voting for McCain. The republicans had a coup-de-tat with this. They wanted to go up against Obama and had to get the news media after Hillary and they did it perfectly. I bet this has been planned all along. All the needed was a idiot to run against her, make her look bad and get him nominated. The republicans will now crucifiy Obama and be in the white house for another 4 years. The democratic party are a bunch of idiots and fell for it. I will be voting republican this time around. By the way, how do you go about unregistering from the democratic party. They have not replied to my request. Does anybody out there know?

@Whitemale:

From what I understand, Clinton lost because she had a moron of a strategist, who failed to understand the rules, and assumed that the states awarded their delegates in the Republican system, where the winner takes all, and that just winning the big states was enough to net her victory.

You might say that the DNC rules were biased against Hillary, but thats only because she was playing football in a game of soccer.

You know what Obama is he is a radical socialist (communist) Hillary is not thats why they elected Obama.
God help us.

Someone passed this on to me and I thought it was interesting. Do we need to really debate about who we want for president or should we be looking at this. Please read on.
Is It NBA or NFL?
>36
>have been accused of spousal abuse
>7
>have been arrested for fraud
>19
>have been accused of writing bad checks
>117
>have directly or indirectly
>bankrupted at least 2 businesses
>3
>have done time for assault
>71,
>repeat
>71 cannot
>get a credit card due to bad credit
>14
>have been arrested on drug-related charges
>8
>have been arrested for shoplifting
>21
>currently
>are defendants in lawsuits, and
>84
>have been arrested for drunk >driving in the last year
>Can you guess which organization >this is?
>Give up yet? . . Scroll down,

>

>Neither,

>it's the 435 members of the United >States Congress
>The same group of Idiots that crank >out hundreds of new laws each year
>designed to keep the rest of us in >line.

no one but hard core morons is gonna say "I'm so mad that Hillary lost that i blame the democratic party: thus i will join the dark side in order to punish the democrats/my country/my children, for not voting for my favorite candidate."

you'd have to be an incredibly bitter and horrible person to have that kind of mindset.

no one but hard core morons is gonna say "I'm so mad that Hillary lost that i blame the democratic party: thus i will join the dark side in order to punish the democrats/my country/my children, for not voting for my favorite candidate."

you'd have to be an incredibly bitter and horrible person to have that kind of mindset.

I'm becoming more certain every day that these "Clintons for McCain" voters are really Republican trolls or even McCain campaign workers posting these comments to sow dissent among Democrats.

Harper's Magazine had an interesting article a few months ago about how behind McCain's "maverick" image marketing to claim he is for campaign finance reform is really a complex system of undercover and unregulated campaign organizations. He deliberately wrote the McCain-Feingold bill to provide a loophole for these so-called "neutral" and "non-political" advocacy organizations to campaign for him and accept unreported funding. I'm sure they can spare a few interns to troll websites with false identities. Better start analyzing IP addresses and figuring out who's behind all this.

I agree with you Fred,look who he was friends with.

I believe people are very gullible and when a good speaker is out there, they believe every word they say. That is what Obama is, a good speaker. He reminds me of all those preachers that take money for their own gains. He reminds me a those cult leaders brainwashing the population. I see that here from some of the Obama supporters. When I first heard about this guy, I liked him and the more I found out about him, the more I disliked the guy. There are plenty of reason, but the one that bugs me the most is his relationship with his pastor. How the hell can you know someone for more than 20 years and never heard his retoric. Impossible. The wife proved that to me with her comments about hating OUR country. He flat out lied about it and becasue he is a good speaker, every gullible idiot out there believes him.

Radical socialist.....scary!

Greg, who are you to speak for me? You have no idea what I will do. One thing I will never do is vote for Obama. I will cut my arm off first. I have already joined McCain, I have already donated money to him and I am going to leave the democratic party.

To hell with the democrats! If they want a racist for president they can do it without me. There's alot more than me out there, I know alot of men that don't have an trust in Obama.

I will NEVER change my mind!

I am a 42 year old liberal, pro choice, anti war woman.I am one of many that will never vote for Obama. I would rather vote for the devil I know than the devil I don't.

Hillary or McCain!!!!!!

Trust me nobody is doing this its for real,democrats are naturaly devided people nobody needs to dived them,and its not mccane people,dont start this is exactly what happen when Hillary was compiting with noboma everybody was saying bs for her nobama was the king,the radical socialist. now if you don,t like what you are reading get out of the webside.

Obama a socialist? America should be so lucky.

Oh and a pro-choice, anti-war person would choose to vote for the pro-life, pro-war Mccain?? I used to refuse to believe people who say Americans are idiots, but jesus christ...

@Dudeyourananonymous coward,
OBAMA is splitting the party apart? You are dearly mistaken. It's all Hillary's fault that so many of her supporters are so bitter. She should have conceded weeks ago.

No tara, you're a racist.

McCain's only hope is to sign Hillary up for the VP slot. Now that would be one hell of an election!

A great response by Obama would be to grab Ron Paul.

So out of the oven and into the fryer, then? I find it funny that people are essentially arguing who they'd rather have rape them. One promises not to hit you while raping you, another promises to use lube. Why not go with something outside of this false dilemma so horribly entrenched in our minds for so long, and learn about other candidates from other parties, understand the ideologies beyond the glittering generalities, and *gasp* even vote for someone who isn't a republicrat?! There are actually politicians out there that want to give you back the freedoms that have been consistently chipped away, the money taken from you by force, and the security you deserve as a result of a sane, responsible foreign policy. If people could get beyond cheering for their team and blinding groupthink, they might actually choose freedom instead.

I am an Indian and have worked in silicon valley for 15 years now. I have to say, I would extremely surprised if a racist country like the united states elects an african american man as president.

Also, the "deep" south gets a bad rap all the time, sometimes deservedly so, but i've found that there are almost as many racists in california, although their racism is well-disguised, probably because they have a better education, communication skills, sense of political correctness, etc.

The REAL test will be whether Obama can kiss enough AIPAC ass....

I can believe Hillary supporters would vote for MC Cain, the democrats in office vote for everyone of Bush's programs, gave away the power of Congress to the executive branch, lied in last election about impeachment, stopping war in Iraq and ending abuse in judicial systems.
Now where and the hell was the difference between Hillary and MC Cain and even better yet it now seems there was no differeence between the supporters of either candidate.
If Hillary and her supporters did split the Democrtic party it would be the best thing for the american populace in over 250 years of its politcs.
Been one hell of a lot of people wanting a true third party that, WOULD NOT JUST TALK ABOUT CHANGE BUT ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHANGES NECESSARY TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK UNDER A DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERANCE BY , FOR AND OF ITS PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN.
Do we dare hope that such a thing is possible?

To White Moron:

Excuse me, White Male:

(1) the DNC being far left wanted their left wing candidate to win and made sure the rules favored Obama. They even broke their own DNC rules by take away Clinton delegates in the Michigan Florida fiasco.

No, my dear imbecile. Actually it was Michigan and Florida which broke the rules of the DNC. Hence their disputed status. Hillary Clinton herself signed an agreement that neither state should be counted, then changed her mind when she started to lose. In fact, the DNC is breaking its own rules by ALLOWING these states to count for anything.

(2) The liberal media, for many reasons that have little to do with fairness or platform, helped the DNC to hurt Hillary Clinton.

Again, pure nonsense: every single news outlet in the US was calling Hillary the shoe-in nominee until Obama won the Iowa caucus. Even after that, the vast majority said Hillary was going to win until Obama won North Carolina. Just out of curiosity, do you suffer from Alzheimer's?

(3) The Black majority abandoned Hillary Clinton when Obama won Iowa an mostly all White state believing the media's false assumption that a Black man can win in the general election where the majority is White. States with very small Black populations tend not to vote race for obvious reasons.

False assumption? So your argument is essentially that the US is too racist for it to be possible for a black man to win the election?

(4) The Obama supporters using the Internet bad mouthed Hillary Clinton, along with the republicans, so disgracefully while Obama covertly grinned.

Wrong again, champion! You're on a roll! Republicans actually backed Hillary--why, because they know she would be easier to beat against McCain...it could even be argued that without Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos that Hillary would have lost more close states. Furthermore, no one needed to organize a campaign to bad-mouth Hillary. People were bad mouthing her because she lied about Sniper Fire in Bosnia, she tried to get votes based on being a woman, than said "white people" won't vote for Obama, then said she was losing because of sexism, then tried to change the rules with regard to FL and Michigan. Her campaign was executed with such graceful vapidity that no educated person with an attention span greater than 15 seconds could support her logic-defying vacillations and disingenuous flailing from fighter to crying victim to whatever the hell she is now, still not going away after being declared the loser...

(5) The Obama pundits filibustered any debate every chance they got on the mainstream media, and the liberal media were in heaven sucking up the ratings and sensationalism.

Wow, your ignorance on these matters is truly breathtaking, I gotta hand it to you. The ratings and sensationalism were spawned by the fact that Hillary had no mathematical possibility of winning two months ago but refused to go away! This is historically unprecedented. Sure, there was sexism just as there was racism in this primary, but if anything, Hillary being female is the only reason she wasn't absolutely forced to go away a long time ago.

Try reading some fucking news once in a while, don't just take memos straight from Hillaryland and assume they're true. You probably think she really was fired on by snipers in Bosnia too.

What and the hell are you democrats afraid of?
Get some cajones for once in your lives!
A very few ladies are the the only ones with real courage that have been showing and standing up for the Democrat party principles for the last 20 years and it is Hillary Clinton and her political hacks, male and female , who have tied to silence them.
So Hillary has 20 million supporters; how many do you democrats believe will vote for MC Cain?
1/2 no way!
1/4 possible but doubtfull!
At the most maybe a few hundred thousand.
In this nation you have approximately 100,000,000 who do not vote because they have known for years it has not done them any good to vote but,
give them a candidate who promises forthrightly to bring change who would then charge the those millions to vote for him and that change.
Hillarys and hers not yours super delegates would not dare stand against that many votes.
For once forget party and vote for country.
If the democratic party gets back to its roots, the every day people in the street, who today can see little hope in their immediate future you will be in office not justt the next 4 but as many as 16 years.
Todays hundreds of millions of our popualce find the level of trust and support for Congressmen about the same as for the present party in office and especially for their President 28%.
The votes are out there and damn Hillary MC Cain or any other tin pot boot licker now in office who gets in the way of an aroused public in these trying times.

Dumb bitches!!! using emotions over logic as usual!

Posted by: Tom | Jun 5, 2008 4:49:53 PM
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Wow, there are lots of Republican trolls here pretending to be people they're not.

I'm glad that Sen. Obama is eager to accept the help, and advice of Bill Clinton. We love Bill Clinton. He was one of the GREATEST! Presidents in American history. And he is a very smart, and enormously talented and experienced leader.

As far as I am concerned. Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton don't owe America anything more. They served the American people and the World very well for 8 years under enormous adversity.

But if they still want to help out, it would be foolish not to accept them with open arms. Bill Clinton was an excellent model of modern Presidential leadership excellence, and effectiveness. :-) Plus, we just love Bill.

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

In an e-mail to supporters, the New York senator said she "will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise." So good luck trying to rally somebody about something for McCain or whatever.

Many people say that Obama does not have enough experience This seems like a Catch-22. McCain and Hillary also don't have experience being President.

How can someone get experience about being President? By becoming President.

Everyone please don't vote for someone that contradicts Hillary's position (ex: McCain).

I do hope that Hillary addresses these people (Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain) in her next speech. Hopefully, she will denounce that kind of behavior (voting for McCain/Republican) and call on her supporters to vote Democrat in November.

If Hillary does this, maybe many of supporters will vote Democrat again. Of course, many may accuse her of being a sell out.

As stated earlier I'm a Hillary supporter who will NOT vote for McCain, but will vote for OBAMA because he closely represents the positions that I believe in. Hillary and Obama are similar in their positions on the major issues. Just like Hillary, Obama can inspire us to be a better people. And Obama together with the Democrats, we can alleviate/fix the suffering caused by the Republicans in the next 4 years.

If you want to suffer in more Republican idiocy for the next 4 years, then for McCain.

I can't wait until 2012 to fix our nation. I want Change to happen now.

Holy tons of comments batman!

There's NO WAY that a) Obama will tap Clinton to be his VP or b) Mc Cain will. Apart from policy differences with McCain (they are as polar opposite as two people can be within the relatively narrow American band of the political spectrum), both candidates know that Hillary Clinton is not going to be what strong presidents want from a VP - namely someone that will shut the fuck up and cut ribbons at AIDS clinics (Bush, as a not strong president, had other needs - namely someone to run the country). Especially not with the now power-hungry Bill hanging over her shoulder looking to get back in the game.

It is understandable that Clinton supporters are angry, saying they'll never vote for Obama - which is just what Paul, Romney, etc. supporters (and a SIZABLE chunk of the GOP and its voters/supporters) said about "maverick" McCain. We're not hearing any more of that now, are we? Because at the end of the day, more than anything, Democrats will vote Democrat. Swing voters were more likely to support Obama over Hillary, who is a relatively polarizing figure, so there's not much to be made of them. I don't think the Dems have lost much here. This is just the usual noise of disappointed people whose candidate didn't make it. My heart goes out to them, blah blah blah, but they'll get over it.

Hillary, do not use my vote given to you in good faith to put pressure on the DNC or Obama. I will transfer it voluntary to Obama. You did a huge disfavor to the feminist cause and lost all my respect.
(56 yr old white female)

Funny to see how people react so emotionally on things that didn't yet happen but are only suggested (imposed) by the media.

The Democratic Party should win this election, based on their point of view. Anybody with common sense is able to realize that.

I'm from Belgium. Nobody, not one person, i spoke to about US Elections gave me the smallest hint that they want McCain to win. The world wants a United States led by Democrats. And most Americans do too.

I'm eager to see if the presidential election will be stolen again like in 2000.

Anyway it is great to watch this "soap opera" from the outside.

Be smart, vote Obama

Peace
Yves

Four more years.

That's what you'll get if you vote for McCain. Four more years of lies, war, recession, and violations of your civil rights under the Constitution.

Electing McCain is just replacing the current White House spokesman with another spokesman. But the regime remains the same.

Obama was the first to play the race card, and he spent 20+ years basking in the "glory" of various racists, including those at his former "church". Those of you who call anyone who doesn't like Obama a racist are pretty lame indeed - and are grasping at straws.

Sorry, but this time your thuggish tactics just aren't going to work.

These comments are apalling. First and foremost, I don't care who anyone in Belgium, Luxemburg or Swaziland wants as my president. Feel free to have an opinion, you have every right to, but don't expect me to necessarily care.

I know I'll vote for the candidate I feel will do the best job. It's not about race, gender or party affiliation, it's about competancy.

I'm sick and tired of the "oh noes, the Republicans will turn our healthcare over to Lord Vader" and the "omfg! Democrats will sell our babies to terrorists!!!ELEVNTYONE!"

What ever happened to candidates running as that? Didn't our first president say that he hated the whole political party thing altogether? (Here's a hint, he did!) Some Democrats have some good ideas. Some Republicans have some good ideas. Most of the good ideas of both parties are drowned out by the noises of the political machines. Ideas are silenced in exchange for electability. It's a load of crap.

You know where the really good ideas are now? They're hiding in third parties, in the Libretarians and the Green Party. It's in those small, huddled groups that the seeds of REAL change are stored away.

Obama will probably win, and he will likely do a not-terrible job. He won't make half the changes he truly wants, because doing so would cost his party votes, and the two-party system is dependant on that.

If you really want change, America, go out and change things. We don't HAVE to live in a two party system. We don't have to have politics as usual. We actually can vote for people we like, and not against those we hate. Nobody can change our fate but us. Isn't it time we did?

Why are women so vindictive? Enough to screw everything up because their favorite lost.

Hillary is a great politician and knows what shes doing but cmon. She lost FAIR AND SQUARE. She even tried to CHEAT by whining that FL and MI should could (I live in fl and didnt vote bc it wasnt supposed to count per BOTH Hillary and Obama). But she had to cry about it to get her way, and even when she did, she couldnt handle it and wanted more.

How Ickeys could go from saying MI wont count and doesnt matter to his showing at the DNC is obsurd. The only news cast with enough balls to really try and call it out was the Daily Show (as usual). And what about Mculiffe, what a joke that guy is. And how RUDE of her and her people to declare her the next president of the USA when Obama won enough votes.

If women are so disgruntled that Hillary lost and vote for John-grandpa cant walk without shaking-McCain just to spite everyone, I hope they are happy when they cant get abortions, even after traumatic experiences such as rape.

And Bill Clinton has become more of a drain on Hillarys campaign than a help, and how women are in love with this guy still is amazing. It shows the true colors of women, regardless of his cheating, as much as women will crucify someone for it (i dont agree with cheating), they ignore it because hes such an entertaining character.

If all you women that are threatening to vote for mccain honestly think what you are doing is good for the American people, go for it. But when your trying to do it just to get back at the man that out-did Hillary out of spite, thats NUTS.

Get your minds together and think logically for once!

I was a Clinton supporter who will now vote for McCain. He's much more to the center than Obama who is planning on socialist medicine. We think we have problems now, if Obama comes in, watch out!

Ladies. No one is condemming you because you are a Hillary supporter.
Democrats are upset because of your outlandish statements. To say you will support McCain proves you are not a true Democrat or care about the future of womens rights. And, you
do not care about the future of our
country.
The republicans have put our country in a crisis. To say you will continue to support their failed policies, the Iraq war tells me you do not care about the future of your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. They are the victimns.

Dear Yolie:
You do realize that Hillary's health care plan was more to the left than Obama's right? I mean, to make such an assertion, you'd have to be *informed*. Right?

Oh wait. You have no idea what you are talking about. never mind.

It makes perfect sense for Clinton supporters to vote for McCain, after all, who thought of the Gas Tax Holiday?

Women saying stuff that they dont know what they are talking about, that they heard from their friend at the hair parlor? SHOCKER.

Women: Please read news and actually understand it before just going off on tangents that you know nothing about and idle threats that will hurt everyone.

If you have a valid reason to vote for mccain (agree with his flip flopitty policies) and enjoy his arguing tactics (say how civil you are, so you can bash and be able to say i tried in the same breath)... please enlighten

If you don't vote for Obama, you don't care about the future of our country?

Excuse me? are you out of your mind?

Republicans did not put our country in crisis. You know who did? Americans. We are all to blame, we did it to ourselves. Somewhere along the way, we stopped thinking and surrendered to popularity contests. We let other people tell us what we think, what to buy, what to wear...

There are smart, intelligent people on both sides of the aisle, and many more on the fringes who never get a sniff of the action. Don't tell me I don't care about the future of the country if I disagree with you. Tell me I'm wrong, tell me why, but don't you friggin' dare tell me I don't care...

To Clinton supporters who actually somehow are so deluded you think John McCain won't be dogmatically anti-choice, I offer you his career NARAL ratings:

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/candidate-record-mccain.pdf

Also, since you're clearly giant suckers, please contact me for a great deal on some subprime mortgage-backed securities.